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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition. I hope all

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Speaker 1: of you had fantastic weekends. Congratulations to Buck Sexton on

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Speaker 1: bringing a huge victory to the Notre Dame Fighting Irish

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Speaker 1: as they trounced Southern cal on Saturday night. Buck. I

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Speaker 1: know that you and your fellow South in Indiana denizens

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Speaker 1: were extremely excited over that outcome, and I appreciate the

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Speaker 1: fact that you took it right to sc can I

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Speaker 1: just say it seems clear to me that I am

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Speaker 1: a lucky charm for the Fighting Irish. Very well said,

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Speaker 1: maybe perhaps you are preparing to be a dad with

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Speaker 1: that incredible dad joke. To start off the week, We've

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Speaker 1: got a lot to dive into. Let'll give you a

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Speaker 1: headline kind of rundown of where we're had a Senator

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Speaker 1: Ron Johnson, our buddy from Wisconsin. I think the last

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Speaker 1: time he was on the show was in Milwaukee when

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Speaker 1: we were up there for the first Republican presidential debate.

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Speaker 1: He'll be with us updating us on the going ons

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Speaker 1: in d C. By the way, one oh four point seven,

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Speaker 1: we will be in our DC affiliate location on Wednesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and Friday of this week, we'll give you the latest

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Speaker 1: on the ongoing battle for speaker as Jim Jordan, friend

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Speaker 1: of the Show, tries to lock up his official support

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Speaker 1: as he is the only candidate that I have seen

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Speaker 1: so far that is declared and remaining standing in that

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Speaker 1: great speaker battle. At two point thirty, Julie Kelly will

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Speaker 1: join us for the latest on all of the Jan

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Speaker 1: six shenanigans in DC as well. There was a very

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Speaker 1: flattering long biography piece on Judge Chutkin in New York

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Speaker 1: Times which I read. I can't even remember if I

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Speaker 1: read it last night or this morning, Buck, but you

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Speaker 1: would think that she is an absolute paragon of virtue.

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Speaker 1: If you read probably it's gonna be like three thousand words.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was not a short biographical profile.

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Speaker 2: They are giving her the hero treatment that they gave

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Speaker 2: to Ruth Bader Ginsburg and others in the judicial movement

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Speaker 2: on the left. So that's preparation for what they think

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Speaker 2: is coming, which is Judge Chutkin on the front line

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Speaker 2: of the anti Trump resistance.

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Speaker 1: With that case still scheduled, we should mention to start

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Speaker 1: on March fourth, less than six months from now thereabouts,

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Speaker 1: Republican primary will be officially determined the nominee. But Buck,

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Speaker 1: over the weekend and continuing basically since Saturday, what has

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Speaker 1: been dominating the entire news cycle is the situation in Israel,

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Speaker 1: the actions of AMAS, the response of Israel, what is

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Speaker 1: the United States and frankly around the world. And I know,

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Speaker 1: like many of you, it has been staggering to see

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Speaker 1: the amount of public outpouring of support that has come

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Speaker 1: but also around the world in many Western democracies. As

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Speaker 1: you are beginning to see that, I think, Buck, maybe

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Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway for me so far from an American

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Speaker 1: perspective is you and I talked on this program quite

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Speaker 1: a lot about nine to eleven. You went into serving

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Speaker 1: But we've talked about on this program what would happen

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Speaker 1: Islamic terrorists decided that they wanted to take action, killed

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Speaker 1: thirty three hundred Americans essentially in this modern era, and

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Speaker 1: And now that we have seen thirteen hundred Israelis murdered

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Speaker 2: It's not quite clear. The way this works is Hamas tried.

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Speaker 2: people in Gaza. This is why Hamas is telling people

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Speaker 2: gave i think, a three hour amnesty if you will,

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Speaker 2: for a primary road to allow people to evacuate in

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Speaker 2: I think we have to assume that Hamas the same

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Speaker 2: going to be a effectively a guerrilla warfare campaign in

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Speaker 2: an insurgency of sorts. There are some major questions that

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Speaker 2: Is Iran going to get much more involved? It has

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Speaker 2: some time on it. Part of it is this region

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Speaker 2: has been absorbing Palestinian refugees for decades, and sometimes those

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Speaker 2: a lot of a lot still left to be determined here.

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Speaker 2: And the one part of this that I think has

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Speaker 2: that is both. It's a combination of anti semitism and

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Speaker 1: There's an editorial in the New York Times addressed from

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Speaker 1: I'd like to open up phones on this. Eight hundred

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Speaker 1: That is a you know, plus thirty five plus forty

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Speaker 1: and much of those voters buck are cloistered in New

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Speaker 1: I guess my point is, I don't know how many

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Speaker 2: I mean, I worked for Dennis Ross for a summer

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Speaker 2: Clinton's negotiator for the Arab Israeli peace process what was

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Speaker 2: It was like a college kid summer job. But you know,

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Speaker 2: People that deny it. But as for how the votes go,

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing up, you know, so I first dealt with

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Speaker 2: Remember Biden was very slick to not go with any

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Speaker 2: you know, he sort of pandered, but he never he

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, I am genuine. I mean, I read that

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Speaker 1: listening to us. You went to synagogue this weekend. Uh,

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Speaker 1: if this is moving. I'm just curious conversations that are

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Speaker 1: vote Democrat. Is any of the Are any of those

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Speaker 1: The Voices of Sanity in an Insane World. Clay Travissad

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Clay and Bucks. Senator Ron Johnson joins

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you being with us, Sir, I want to hop

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Speaker 3: There's an easy way of doing it. Just have automatic

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Speaker 3: It's bankrupt. I mean, in two thousand and two, we

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Speaker 3: Well, the public does need to understand why a dollar

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Speaker 3: But that's the kind of leadership if you need. Again,

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Speaker 1: Speakers, Senator, I saw the CDC bragging that two percent

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Speaker 1: a week to week basis. But what does it tell

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Speaker 1: you so far that ninety eight percent of Americans are saying, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Well, it tells you the people like you two, people

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Speaker 3: if you are young and healthy. Code is not something

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Speaker 1: news that we've been tracking throughout the course of the show.

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Speaker 1: Let me just hit a little bit of it with

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Speaker 1: you right off the top. Jim Jordan potentially could become

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House Ohio congressman. You have heard him

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Speaker 1: a floor vote tomorrow at noon Eastern. It is possible

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Speaker 1: while we are live on this show that we could

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Speaker 1: have a new Speaker of the House. Republicans seem to

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Speaker 1: be coalescing around Jim Jordan. I want to give you

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Speaker 1: the latest on that he's down to only needing a

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Speaker 1: round ten votes. That's all that have not endorsed him publicly,

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Speaker 1: and we are going to be talking with Julie Kelly.

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Speaker 1: There has been a gag order imposed by Judge Chuckkin

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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC on Donald Trump for his criminal trial

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Speaker 1: against Jack Smith, which is presently scheduled to take place

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Speaker 1: on March the fourth, this gag order raises all sorts

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Speaker 1: person out there listening to us, and I know there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of you, a lot of the rush

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Speaker 1: babies continue to listen in their cars, and you're interested

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Speaker 1: in the practice of law, I can tell you as

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Speaker 1: a sitting attorney that truly so many of these issues

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Speaker 1: that we are facing and are going to face over

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Speaker 1: the next year, not only with Donald Trump, but also

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Speaker 1: with Joe Biden and the classified document investigation which appears

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Speaker 1: to be picking up attention that Robert Hurr is conducting

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Speaker 1: as the Independent Council, with Hunter Biden, with pardons in general. Buck,

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Speaker 1: we are rapidly approaching one of the most uncertain, tumultuous

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Speaker 1: periods in the history of the nation on many fronts

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Speaker 1: over the next thirteen months, and they're so little precedent

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Speaker 1: to even point to that predicting exactly what is going

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Speaker 1: to happen is vert certain, not even factoring in the

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Speaker 1: health of Joe Biden or the health of.

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Speaker 2: Diety Trump or the unknown unknowns out there there. They

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Speaker 2: are very real. I think one of the biggest challenges

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Speaker 2: that people can already foresee with all of this is

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Speaker 2: we talk about the precedents and the Rubicon crossing and

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Speaker 2: all of this stuff. Going forward after this election, there

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Speaker 2: will be an ability to say, you know what, forget

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Speaker 2: about beating this guy the old fashioned way. By convincing

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Speaker 2: more people to vote, maybe we can get a partisan

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Speaker 2: hack DA somewhere, or maybe we can get some really

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Speaker 2: ambitious federal prosecutor to bring charges against against the other guy.

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Speaker 2: And this has been going on for some time, and

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Speaker 2: I think that that's to the detriment of the country,

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Speaker 2: that this is where where we are, where we are heading.

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Speaker 2: I also, Clay, if I could, I wanted to point

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Speaker 2: out that the left wing protesters and all the stuff,

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Speaker 2: it's here, It's also in the UK, it's in Australia,

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Speaker 2: it's in a lot of the Western world. These people

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Speaker 2: that are coming forward. Over the weekend, Bill Maher on

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Speaker 2: his show, I think he had a moment where, you know,

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Speaker 2: because I've been saying that this is a faction that

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Speaker 2: exists within the Democrat ranks and has for a long time,

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Speaker 2: which is definitely true, and that it comes from a

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Speaker 2: combination of their anti racism, anti colonialism, and anti semitism.

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Speaker 2: It really brings together a bunch of these different ideas. Right,

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Speaker 2: they would say they're not anti Semitic, but I'm here

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Speaker 2: to say they are. Bill Maher is kind of like WHOA.

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Speaker 2: The left wing anti Semite faction is not necessarily very small?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 4: Religious tolerance that doesn't exist in guys, you were the

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Speaker 4: Muslim or an Infidel, and you better be a Muslim.

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Speaker 4: Pedophilia I'll put that under it. Don't ask child brides

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Speaker 4: and so forth. Equality of the sex I'll categorize out

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Speaker 4: under don't make me laugh. The fact that you know,

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Speaker 4: these people think that this is where they should be

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Speaker 4: aligned with. These are the values that you support.

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Speaker 5: I think this this past week has been a real

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Speaker 5: important moment for a moral reckoning on the American left

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Speaker 5: because there is a small, and I'm going to emphasize that,

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Speaker 5: a very small, but growing, an extremely loud faction on

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Speaker 5: the American left that has revealed.

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Speaker 2: Its I don't know how to anymore. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: that's imple. I don't think it's small. I think it's

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Speaker 2: pretty I think we're talking fifteen percent, ten percent of

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Speaker 2: the of the Democrat base, maybe twenty percent of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic base.

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Speaker 1: I think it's twenty percent.

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Speaker 2: You know which is which really aligns with the far left.

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Speaker 2: I think the radical left is overwhelmingly anti Israel and

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Speaker 2: anti Semitic, and I think that there's a moment here,

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Speaker 2: there's a gut check moment for a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: because if you cannot see, if you cannot see this

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Speaker 2: issue with some moral clarity, given what just happened to Israelis,

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Speaker 2: to women and children and defenseless civilians, what can you

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Speaker 2: see with moral clarity? I mean you start to ask

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Speaker 2: the question, like what what would have to happen for

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Speaker 2: there to be condemnation of Hamas from some of these people.

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Speaker 2: If you're not going to condemn Hamas and its actions

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Speaker 2: after this, someone's now that person's not condemning Hamas no

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Speaker 2: matter what they do.

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Speaker 1: Hamas would have to have a faction of white supremacists.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's ridiculous to kind of mock, but

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Speaker 1: if white people had been responsible to doing to Jews

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Speaker 1: what Hamas did, Joe Biden would have called out the

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Speaker 1: National Guard and the FBI would have been knocking on

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Speaker 1: doors and dragon people who voted for Donald Trump out

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Speaker 1: of their house even more than they're already doing.

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Speaker 2: You know that you're actually also pointing out something with this,

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Speaker 2: which is that part of the a big part of

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Speaker 2: the way the left frames the issue of Israel Palestine

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Speaker 2: is it's is it's white, white against brown oppression. Israelis.

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Speaker 2: First of all, they're over a million Arab Muslims living

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Speaker 2: in and there's there's actually there's Christian Arabs as well,

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Speaker 2: but living in Israel proper and happily doing so right.

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Speaker 2: They're owning businesses and they're living, you know, center voting. Yes,

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Speaker 2: there's there's also a whole range of ethnicities within Judaism.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's Ashkenazi Jews, there's Mizrahi Jews, there's the

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Speaker 2: Ethiopian Jews. There's all these different category and these are

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Speaker 2: people of very different ethnicities and skin colors, depending on

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Speaker 2: you know, who we're talking about. But the binary of

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Speaker 2: white oppressor and brown victim is central to the left

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Speaker 2: categorization of these raelly Palasadians. I've met, I mean, I've

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Speaker 2: met Palestinians with red hair and blue eyes, by the way,

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Speaker 2: who are as white as as you and I. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so it is not as simple as people want to do.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy even talking about it in that context.

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Speaker 2: But that's they make it. In the left in this

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Speaker 2: country views this through a racial lens, which is why

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Speaker 2: they are it's so impossible to get them to look

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Speaker 2: at some of the realities and nuances and truths of

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Speaker 2: the issue.

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Speaker 1: Buck, I felt like I looked into the future because

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Speaker 1: I saw this all happen in sports. If you were

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Speaker 1: a black quarterback. Rush saw it a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: Remember when Rush got absolutely castigated. He went on ESPN

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Speaker 1: and talked about Donovan McNabb and his opinion was considered

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Speaker 1: unacceptable to have. And I saw it happen in sports,

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Speaker 1: where a story would happen, and in sports media the

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Speaker 1: prism under which it was analyzed would entirely be race based.

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Speaker 1: You saw this happen to you, the thing you've probably

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Speaker 1: gotten the most criticized for in two and a half

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Speaker 1: years on this pro For people who don't remember it,

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Speaker 1: this was probably like what the first couple of months

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Speaker 1: we did the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Clay, say, let me run across the middle through

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Speaker 2: a wobbly pass and let me just get my clock cleaned.

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Speaker 2: But I'm very supportive of and attuned to people dealing

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Speaker 2: with mental health issues. I think of it as as

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Speaker 2: important and the same as physical health issues. I cast

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Speaker 2: no judgment on anyone whatsoever for their mental health struggles.

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Speaker 2: I think everybody should view it the same way that

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Speaker 2: you would. You know, you know you would. You wouldn't

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Speaker 2: mock somebody if they had the flu. Why would you

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Speaker 2: mock them if they're dealing with, you know, being bipolar

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Speaker 2: or whatever. So that all said though some own Biles

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Speaker 2: had pulled out of an event for mental health issues,

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Speaker 2: and they were just saying that it was it was

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Speaker 2: super brave and courageous and courageous, and and all I

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Speaker 2: said at the time was I was like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I I support her pulling out if she's having issues,

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't know if.

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Speaker 1: This You would never say if somebody had a broken leg,

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Speaker 1: it was courageous that they didn't play and participate, right, like,

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Speaker 1: make whatever choices you want. But the idea that this

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Speaker 1: is in some way not competing by your own voluntary

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Speaker 1: choice is in some way courageous and heroic or brave

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Speaker 1: was crazy.

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Speaker 2: I actually got criticized for that on the Bill Marshaw.

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Speaker 2: Now you're bringing it all full full circle.

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Speaker 1: So what's interesting about this too, is if some own

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Speaker 1: Viles was not black I think that story would have

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Speaker 1: gotten a pinprick of the attention because people in sports

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Speaker 1: lined up and they said, it's as if.

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Speaker 2: She's a female superstar athlete, probably the greatest gymnast of

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Speaker 2: all time. But there is a political incentive to push

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Speaker 2: the oh, she's so brave as well, and also.

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Speaker 1: She's getting attacked because she's a black woman, and oh,

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Speaker 1: a white guy said it, And so you're not allowed

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Speaker 1: to have an opinion on a sports related issue based

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Speaker 1: on what your own identity. I'm not just pointing to you.

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Speaker 1: This happens all the time in sports, and I saw

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Speaker 1: it happen, and I couldn't believe that it was happening

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Speaker 1: where suddenly you couldn't say, hey, I think that guy's

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Speaker 1: not a very good quarterback without people saying, oh, you're

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Speaker 1: just saying that because he's black. We also have a

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Speaker 1: conception in this country and we talk about anti colonial

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Speaker 1: and you know, the anti colonial aspect that's really for

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Speaker 1: college campuses, the anti Semitism component that's people understand that's

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Speaker 1: been around for well for a very long time. But

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Speaker 1: but there's also the islamophobia.

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Speaker 2: Residual concept of islamophobia, where the belief somehow is that

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Speaker 2: while Islam has a couple of billion adherents globally, is

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Speaker 2: it is a religion of the oppressed. This is what

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Speaker 2: is believed in the West, which is remarkable because you

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Speaker 2: sit there and you say, isn't this the largest single

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Speaker 2: religious faith tradition on the planet and has many, many, large,

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Speaker 2: incredibly powerful states that are entirely devoted to it. You know,

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Speaker 2: you go down the list, you say, this is a

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Speaker 2: religion of the oppressed in the Western mindset, because Islam

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Speaker 2: is not a majority in the United States, and because

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Speaker 2: this concept of Islamophobia, which I think is meant to

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Speaker 2: avoid some uncomfortable discussions about what was going on with

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Speaker 2: in the Islamic faith, particularly in the nine to eleven era,

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Speaker 2: and beyond uh that that you know, residual that that

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Speaker 2: continued approach to the issue is why you just can't

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Speaker 2: get people to see that what they're what they're supporting

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Speaker 2: with hamas is is it's bad. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 2: isis level stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's they can't get past the race as an angle.

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Speaker 1: They're going to support the brown person against the white person,

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Speaker 1: no matter what the facts are.

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Speaker 2: And this is why the Muslims against and the Muslims

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Speaker 2: against That's that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's also do people who are on the far left

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Speaker 1: have any idea what Muslims actually believe? That That's what's

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Speaker 1: always been like staggering to me, because there is and

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Speaker 1: what's interesting about this buck is it's only the race, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: because there's a huge antipathy on the left towards the

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Speaker 1: Christian faith, which is far more freeing Christian and embracing

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Speaker 1: of their political ideals than the Muslim faith ever would.

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Speaker 2: And and Christian persecution in the Middle East, particularly the

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Speaker 2: last twenty years in countries like Iraq and Syria has

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Speaker 2: been horrific. There's there's been effectively an extermination effort among

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Speaker 2: jihadists to get rid of there are very old Christian

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Speaker 2: communities stretching back to I mean like as old as

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Speaker 2: Christian communities can be in some of these places. There's

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Speaker 2: a Chaldean Christians and Assyrian Christians, and these are our

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Speaker 2: different sects in the Middle East, and they have been

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Speaker 2: effectively wiped out of some areas of these countries. And

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Speaker 2: you won't hear the left talk about that at all

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Speaker 2: because they think of Christians as you know, as evangelicals.

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Speaker 2: In Texas who have too many guns and are you know,

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Speaker 2: doing bad things. They don't understand white people. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: and they think of it just as white people. They

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Speaker 2: understand there are there are Arab Christians that are and

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Speaker 2: I mean the first some of the first Christians would

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Speaker 2: be you know, they're kind of Arab or from the region,

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Speaker 2: depending on who you're talking about. So I think it's

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00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: interesting you you look at there's even Coptic Christians in Egypt,

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Speaker 2: one of the oldest Christian communities in the whole world,

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Speaker 2: also under a lot of pressure from Muslim brotherhood groups

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Speaker 2: and others. So they view this as as though, Clay,

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Speaker 2: this is what I wanted to say. Everything that is

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Speaker 2: wrong in Gaza, if you speak to a leftist, everything

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Speaker 2: it's a the way it treats its own people, the corruption,

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Speaker 2: the violence, the dysfunction, the celebration of martyrdom as suicide bombers,

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Speaker 2: and all of it. The left says is Israel's fault.

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Speaker 2: It's all Israel's fault somehow. Everything that happens in Gaza,

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Speaker 2: the fact that you know, it's an economic basket case,

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Speaker 2: the fact that there's no rule of law, the fact

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Speaker 2: that it's human rights to be it's all Israel's fault.

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Speaker 2: That's what the left says.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen a few of the people in the

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Speaker 1: protests in favor of Hamas and Palestine with the LGBTQ

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Speaker 1: YEP for Palestine signs?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I mean I would not go well in

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Speaker 2: Gaza for them.

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Speaker 1: Miya Khalifa, I think, is how you pronoun it's her name.

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Speaker 1: She is the porn porn I've heard. I've heard that

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Speaker 1: she is quite a popular porn performer. She came out

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Speaker 1: in favor of Palestine, and I think I I think.

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Speaker 1: I responded to an OutKick story up about it. I

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Speaker 1: was like, do do you think that she would be

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Speaker 1: well received in Gaza? She literally had sex and a

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Speaker 1: hijab uh. I don't think on a camera. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that that would be very well received in Palistine

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Speaker 1: Now about a bunch of them have seen it, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think publicly that would be very well received.

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Speaker 2: You know how it works.

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton show. We are joined now by our friend

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Speaker 1: Julie Kelly, who is doing some of the best work

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Speaker 1: out there in the entire country. She runs Declassified with

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Speaker 1: Julie Kelly, the substack. She also has good taste in

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Speaker 1: steak and bourbon, based on the photos that I see

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Speaker 1: her occasionally post on social media when she is not

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Speaker 1: covering all the insanity in our court system. All right,

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Speaker 1: so let's start here, Julie, for our audience out there,

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Speaker 1: we filled them in on the gag order that Judge

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Speaker 1: Chuckkin has put in place. I believe you are in

786
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: DC right now. What does this mean? What is the impact?

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Speaker 1: What should everyone know about what happened earlier today?

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Speaker 6: So, first of all, I want to say, the coverage

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Speaker 6: that indicates that this is somehow a limited or narrow

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Speaker 6: gag order is pure bs from the news media who

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Speaker 6: is doing nothing more and DJ and Judge Chuckkin's water

792
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Speaker 6: carrying it is not by any stretch limited or narrow

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Speaker 6: in scope. We're talking about an unprecedented order from Judge

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Speaker 6: Tanya Chuckkin, appointed by Barack Obama, quite frankly not born here.

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Speaker 6: She came here as an adult to go to law school,

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Speaker 6: and now she is silencing for the first time ever

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Speaker 6: this has happened, silencing a presidential former president and now

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Speaker 6: presidential candidate from speaking about the very same prosecutorial abuse,

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Speaker 6: an election interference that prompted the okay to go after

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Speaker 6: him in the first place. I'm telling you, you guys know,

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Speaker 6: and I'm so grateful for you guys covering my work.

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Speaker 6: I've gone to a lot of trials, a lot of

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Speaker 6: court hearings. My jaws always on the floor when I

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Speaker 6: see what's happening in the DC courthouse. But today just

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Speaker 6: took it to an entirely different level. And to hear

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Speaker 6: this Department of Justice prosecutors and Judge Chuck Kin discussing

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Speaker 6: what they believe Donald Trump should be able to post

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Speaker 6: on social media, what he should and shouldn't be able

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Speaker 6: to say about Joe Biden or the DJ, or Jack

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Speaker 6: Smith or people who live in Washington, d C. It

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Speaker 6: was a surreal experience.

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Speaker 2: Today, Julie. I really appreciate your work and thanks again

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Speaker 2: for being here. I just got to ask you the

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Speaker 2: question that Clay and I were dealing with before, which is,

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Speaker 2: what do you think happens if Trump violates this gag order?

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Speaker 2: Because we both think Trump's going to violate the gag order.

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Speaker 6: Well, look, here's the thing. He probably will violate it,

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Speaker 6: and it may not even be intentional. The frightening part

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Speaker 6: about this order, you guys, is that there's no clarity

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Speaker 6: on exactly what a disparaging or inflammatory post would be.

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Speaker 6: It's all subject to Judge Chutkin, a highly biased, by

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Speaker 6: the way, far left radical judge who has already expressed

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Speaker 6: biased comments about Donald Trump in other J six proceedings.

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Speaker 6: So it's up to her interpretation. So that is going

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Speaker 6: to be the gray area here. And my expectation is

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Speaker 6: that this DOJ and Jack Smith will just continually file

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Speaker 6: motions for contempt against Donald Trump for any comments that

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Speaker 6: he makes about the case, etc. What they did discuss

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Speaker 6: today and they didn't resolve is what the penalties will

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Speaker 6: be and what Assistant US Attorney Molly Gastone, who by

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Speaker 6: the way, was one of the two prosecutors who refused

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Speaker 6: to prosecute Andrew McCabe for lying to the FBI under oath,

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Speaker 6: she suggested things like signs moving up the trial date

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Speaker 6: in even something like home detention. This is the slippery

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Speaker 6: slope where we are. This is not the final stage

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Speaker 6: of this. This is only the beginning of how this

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Speaker 6: DOJ with Judge Chuck Hint, is going to not just

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Speaker 6: continue to silence Trump but seek penalties in contempt of

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Speaker 6: court viholations against him and then further curtail his freedom

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Speaker 6: of speech and political activity.

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Speaker 1: Julie, do you get any sense for whether this case

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Speaker 1: is likely to start on March fourth or not? And

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Speaker 1: the reason why I asked that, obviously is we're in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the Republican primary season still on March fourth,

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Speaker 1: But if it happens on March fourth, then they could

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Speaker 1: potentially get a verdict on Trump before the actual election

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Speaker 1: takes place. Do you and your talks get any update

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Speaker 1: on I mean, less than six months I think from

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Speaker 1: now would be the start of this trial. Whether that's

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Speaker 1: the expectation.

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Speaker 6: Judge Chutkins said a few times today that she is

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Speaker 6: not going to be moving the trial date. Of course,

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Speaker 6: John Lauro, Trump's attorney said the solution to all of

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Speaker 6: this is to postpon it until after the election, and

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Speaker 6: she would interrupt and make clear, no, I'm not moving

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Speaker 6: this trial date. But as we've discussed before, and we're

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Speaker 6: getting closer to a decision by the Supreme Court if

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Speaker 6: they if they take up this obstruction of an official

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Speaker 6: preceding Count fifteen twelve C two, which really represents the

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Speaker 6: heart of Jacksmith's for coount indictment against Donald Trump. If

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court signal that they're going to take that up,

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Speaker 6: they want to look at the DC Circuit, the appellate

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Speaker 6: court ruling that allowed this continue for Jay six cases.

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Speaker 6: Jack Smith is going to be put on notice that

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Speaker 6: one or maybe two because there's also a fifteen twelve count.

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Speaker 6: There's two fifteen twelve counts. One or two of the

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Speaker 6: counts half of his indictment basically could be upended by

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court. What does he do then? Does he proceed?

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Speaker 6: Does he add charges? Does we've talked about? I still

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Speaker 6: think that's a possibility of superseding indictment. He still has

871
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Speaker 6: not indicted the other six co conspirators that he named

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Speaker 6: in the original indictment. A lot of things can still

873
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Speaker 6: happen between now and then. So it looks like, for appearances,

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Speaker 6: they're trying to act like this March twenty twenty four

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Speaker 6: trial date is going to happen. I just don't see,

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Speaker 6: with all of this going on and this big question

877
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Speaker 6: mark with the Supreme Court of one of those four counts,

878
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Speaker 6: that this actually will happen on five months from now.

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Speaker 2: Is it going to happen next year? Julie is the

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Speaker 2: DC trial going to occur in your mind before the election.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that I believe that it will. Whether it's you know,

882
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 6: won't be March, it could be moved, you know, another

883
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 6: month or two. It could be in the summer. And

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Speaker 6: I know everyone is thinking, well, you can't do that

885
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Speaker 6: in a presidential election. You know, DJs guidelines say nothing.

886
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Speaker 6: This is a rogue courthouse. Okay, there are no rules

887
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Speaker 6: that apply, there's no law that applies. We saw the

888
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 6: Constitution once again totally desecrated in this courtroom today, and

889
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 6: Judge Chuckkin is so gratified by her role here. She's

890
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Speaker 6: constantly interrupting the defense team. She's pointing at him, at

891
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 6: John Loro, raising her voice at him. They're getting into

892
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 6: these political semantic debates. This is not about protecting the process.

893
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 6: It's certainly not about protecting the defendant, which is the

894
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 6: judge's job. By the way, she is supposed to protect

895
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Speaker 6: the defendant from government overreach. She is nothing more than

896
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 6: another prosecutor's she's another prosecutor for the government. Site she's

897
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 6: protecting none of Donald Trump's rights. And so that's sort

898
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 6: of the situation where we are. And so given that

899
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 6: it's hard to see that this trial commences in March,

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Speaker 6: but certainly in twenty twenty four, and they could just

901
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 6: move it to maximize more political damage against Trump.

902
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Speaker 1: Julie, what do you think the Supreme Court justices are

903
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Speaker 1: thinking here? Because let me just kind of paint the

904
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Speaker 1: picture for people who haven't spent a lot of time

905
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Speaker 1: in DC, the DC legal universe is actually very small,

906
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Speaker 1: both in terms of numbers of people involved, but also

907
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Speaker 1: just in terms of physical distance. It isn't very far

908
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: from the courtroom where you're sitting in DC to the

909
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. They would have tons of optics on everything

910
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: that's going on with this Trump case. Is there any

911
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: possibility the Supreme Court could get involved? I know you

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00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: talked about a couple of these different counts, but and

913
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: I know there was a motion filed. Maybe I should

914
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: lead with that part of it. There was a motion

915
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: filed recently essentially arguing that everything Trump did is a

916
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: part of the job of a president and therefore he's

917
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: not able to be prosecuted based on the civil standard

918
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Speaker 1: that was put in place as associates to Richard Nixon,

919
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: do we get any sense that the Supreme Court may

920
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: step in here and actually stop this trial from ever happening.

921
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Speaker 6: I just have no faith that that would be the case.

922
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think we've all been somewhat disappointed in

923
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 6: the outcomes by the Supreme Court related to the twenty

924
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 6: twenty election and other matters. My belief is that people

925
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 6: like John Roberts and even Brett Kavanaugh will be very

926
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 6: resistant to doing anything that will be that will appear

927
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Speaker 6: that they're siding with Donald Trump. And to your point

928
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Speaker 6: exactly why, you know, this Federal Court House is just

929
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Speaker 6: a few blocks away from the Supreme Court. These judges

930
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 6: are all in cohoots with each other. You know, they

931
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 6: all live in the same neighborhoods DC as a relatively

932
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Speaker 6: small town, smaller city. Most people live outside in the suburbs.

933
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Speaker 6: So you know, when you call it the swamp or

934
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 6: Donald Trump did, that's actually a nice word for it.

935
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Speaker 6: So I don't see that happening. The question now that

936
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Speaker 6: I'm getting and John Laura Trump's defense attorney did suggest

937
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 6: this that they would be appealing this gag order. Yeah,

938
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 6: this is breaking new ground. So if it goes to

939
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 6: the DC Circuit, will they reverse this? Probably not, But

940
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 6: then I believe obviously the next step would be the

941
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 6: Supreme Court. But the question is what does Trump doing

942
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 6: the interim? Does he abide by this gag order or

943
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 6: does he openly violate it and sort of see what

944
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 6: doj and Judge Chuck Kim will do from there. I

945
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 6: don't know.

946
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: I think he's going to openly violate it and see

947
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: what they do. That would be I would bet a

948
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: lot of money if you gave me odds on that. Okay,

949
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: last question for you, Julie, I appreciate all the work

950
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: you're doing. Again, encourage you to all go follow Julie

951
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: Kelly on Twitter. I just retweeted her. If you're following me,

952
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: you'll see her there. As we look forward for the

953
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: potential March trial date, there are also still these other

954
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: moving parts. You've got the South Florida trial, You've got Atlanta,

955
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: you've got New York City. They're all kind of held

956
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: in abeyance. Do you think Jack Smith is going to

957
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: get the first bite at the apple so to speak,

958
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: that regardless of what the timing is going to be,

959
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: that everybody else is clearing the way for him to

960
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: go first.

961
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Speaker 6: I believe so because this is the easiest one, right,

962
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 6: this is the layup not only because of the charges,

963
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 6: you know, very nebulous charges that with very low burden

964
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 6: of proof. In Jacksmith's indictment, you obviously have a judge.

965
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 6: The judges decide what the jury is going to hear

966
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 6: and see. Right, so we already know we could tell

967
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 6: that she is going to allow the government to present

968
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 6: to the jury whatever they want, and she's going to

969
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 6: prevent Donald Trump's defense team from presenting evidence to the jury.

970
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 6: That's a lot of what these judges have been doing

971
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 6: in January sixth cases. But the big lynch pin is

972
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 6: he's going to go before a jury made up of

973
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 6: residence to live in an almost one democratic city that

974
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 6: have open contempt for Donald Trump, particularly related to the

975
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 6: events of January sixth. This is going to be an

976
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 6: easy conviction. And so yes to your point, I think

977
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 6: they are clearing the decks for this to move forward,

978
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 6: whether it's March as they said April May. You know,

979
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 6: this will be the easiest conviction for any of these

980
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 6: prosecutors to get.

981
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Speaker 1: And by the way, I know I said last question,

982
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: but I've asked you this before, but I just can't

983
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: get past how crazy it would be of the trials

984
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: that you have seen what percentage of defendants who are

985
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: convicted are taken into custody.

986
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 6: That are immediately taken in Yes, let's see. I would

987
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 6: say just a handful that are taken into custody upon

988
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 6: a guilty verdict, and that's awaiting their sense.

989
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think if they got the guilty

990
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: verdict against Trump, what would be the immediate response, Because

991
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: this is all crazy, but I'm just curious, based on

992
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: your experience, what the hypothetical would look like.

993
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 6: I mean, they very easily could if he gets a

994
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 6: conviction on any of those counts, asked for him to

995
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 6: be taken into custody. They just did that with seven

996
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 6: pro life activists, including women in their seventies, who are

997
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 6: riding in that DC gulag. Now that's what the Department

998
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 6: of Justice did. So I think that's an excellent question

999
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 6: and a very real possibility. But in the interim, what

1000
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 6: is this gag order going to result in? Could that

1001
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 6: result in something like home detention, home incarceration occurs? You

1002
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 6: you know, could she throw him in jail on a

1003
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 6: few contempt convictions? So it is I mean, I'm laughing,

1004
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 6: I shouldn't be laughing, but it's really anything goes. But yes,

1005
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 6: after a conviction.

1006
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Speaker 1: It's all banana Republic level nonsense. Julie Kelly, keep up

1007
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Speaker 1: the good work. We appreciate you. We'll talk to you

1008
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Speaker 1: again soon.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me on, guys, I really appreciate it.

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