WEBVTT - Special Episode: Rebecca Minkoff: Becoming a Real Housewife

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to She Pivots. I'm Rebecca Mincoff.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to She Pivots, the podcast where we talk with

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<v Speaker 2>women who dared to pivot out of one career and

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<v Speaker 2>into something new and explore how their personal lives impacted

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<v Speaker 2>these decisions. I'm your host Emily Tish Sussman, and this

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<v Speaker 2>week we have on a guest again, Rebecca Minkoff. Were

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<v Speaker 2>re releasing her episode because when we recorded it last year,

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<v Speaker 2>we had no idea that she was about to become

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<v Speaker 2>a real housewife of New York. So we caught up

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<v Speaker 2>with Rebecca this week, found out all about what that

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<v Speaker 2>filming was like, what she's looking forward to, maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to, and then we have the original conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with her. Afterwards we hear all about her pivot into fashion,

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<v Speaker 2>pivot out to the Female Founder's Collective, and hosting her

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<v Speaker 2>own podcast, and now into reality star Enjoy. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is Rebecca Mincoff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a designer, podcaster, author, mother four, co founder of

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<v Speaker 1>the Female Founder Collective, and real housewife of New York City. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so how is this new title feeling for you? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Heavyweights the Crown, Emily, Well, it's funny because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we have so much explaining to do. We're none

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<v Speaker 1>of us are housewives, so it's very weird to call

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<v Speaker 1>myself one because I do not identify as a rich

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<v Speaker 1>woman who has nothing to do all day. I'm definitely

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<v Speaker 1>working my ass off, and so are all the other ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I would definitely know that would be like

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<v Speaker 2>about the last thing I would ever call you is

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<v Speaker 2>a housewife.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, you know, I am dreams of being a housewife,

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<v Speaker 1>but not yet. So then what made you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do it?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is how I felt.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that there was an opportunity to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of their revival or the reboot, I should say, of

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<v Speaker 1>showcasing eight very successful female entrepreneurs that are all diverse backgrounds, places, ethnicities,

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<v Speaker 1>And could that be a narrative that, yes, there's drama,

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<v Speaker 1>there's got to be drama or no one's watching. We

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<v Speaker 1>all know that, But could that also be something that's

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<v Speaker 1>just seen and celebrated because there's not enough of us, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also I said it in an earlier interview, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's great for like there's a whole host of women

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<v Speaker 1>that are either fans of the brand and grew up

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<v Speaker 1>with the brand or new ones that I could reach,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they get to know me better and they

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<v Speaker 1>like what they see, like, it's a great business opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So those were some of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>I decided to do it. We're also celebrating our twentieth anniversary,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, let's just get out there, and what

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<v Speaker 1>a better platform to be doing that with? So why

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<v Speaker 1>is this?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is this? What a better platform?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, you know, we're going to attach this to the

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<v Speaker 2>interview that you and I did earlier this year together,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I'm interested into where I like, when we

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<v Speaker 2>did this interview, I didn't know that you were engaged

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<v Speaker 2>with the housewives. I don't know if you were already

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<v Speaker 2>filming them, had ended filming the beginning, or if you

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<v Speaker 2>were in even discussions with them. So I definitely didn't

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<v Speaker 2>ask any questions about it. But you know, we talked

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<v Speaker 2>through your evolution, like your own pivots, your own moments,

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<v Speaker 2>and how you built your fashion brand. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>you were a little bit removed, it gave you the

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<v Speaker 2>space to think about, Okay, what else can I do

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<v Speaker 2>for female founders? And then you started the podcast, you

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<v Speaker 2>started the Female Founders and you started supporting other businesses

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<v Speaker 2>through that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, how does this This isn't the most.

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<v Speaker 2>Obvious move to follow your trajectory, so like, why this

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<v Speaker 2>platform to follow that same thinking that.

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<v Speaker 1>You had had. Well, yes, it is definitely veering left.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I will say is I've always taken risks.

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<v Speaker 1>We've always done the things that did not seem like

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<v Speaker 1>following the straight path. And at the time it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem like it makes any sense, and then later on

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<v Speaker 1>people are like, oh, wow, you were the first to

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<v Speaker 1>do talk to influencers, store the future, wearables, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talk to your customer, all these things that seemed crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So in my book, while it does seem cuckoo, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a rhyme and reason for why I decided to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. And I think when you start unpacking who

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<v Speaker 1>watches this show? For the most part, it's women in

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<v Speaker 1>my exact demographic is also very smart, accomplished, talented women

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Who for them this show is like a

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<v Speaker 1>respite from like their crazy lives.

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<v Speaker 2>It was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>A good friend of my husband's is an accomplished, award

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<v Speaker 1>winning director and when she found out this was more

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<v Speaker 1>exciting for her than like being at the Sundance Film Festival,

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<v Speaker 1>and so, you know, the opportunity to show another dimension

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<v Speaker 1>of myself was something I've thought long and hard about

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<v Speaker 1>because you only get a certain slice on my podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm mostly interviewing. You only get a certain slice on.

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<v Speaker 1>Social which were we are showcasing a brand and product,

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<v Speaker 1>and so how do you then just add more dimensionality

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<v Speaker 1>to who I am? And hopefully that means you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to connect more in whatever way. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the side they probably want to focus

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<v Speaker 1>on in the show is mostly personal like you personally,

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<v Speaker 1>your kids or family like stuff that you've kind of

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<v Speaker 1>kept to yourself. Yes, but I'm a friend of and

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<v Speaker 1>what that means, and most people don't know that is

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<v Speaker 1>most of my private life still stays pretty private. And

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<v Speaker 1>we did that for a number of reasons. I have

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<v Speaker 1>very young children and I was not ready to expose

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<v Speaker 1>them to that, and my husband at the moment has.

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<v Speaker 2>No interest on being on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So between him having no interests in my young children, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you'll see slices of it, but it's not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, heavily featured, which is what a friend of

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<v Speaker 1>kind of means. Yeah, Ok, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny you were saying that you know, people would

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily expect it of you. Do you remember how you

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<v Speaker 2>told me that you were because we are friends, how

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<v Speaker 2>you told me that you were doing this? Remind me,

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<v Speaker 2>remind everyone. Yeah, it's that I I invited you to

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<v Speaker 2>attend a Gotham game because I invited all of nice friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, guys, everybody come see got the FC. We

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<v Speaker 2>just bought the women soccer team, Like I want all

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<v Speaker 2>of my friends to come. And you wrote back and

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<v Speaker 2>you were like, do you want the Real Housewives there?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, yeah, totally, Like who doesn't, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, do you know that? Oh my surprise that one?

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<v Speaker 1>And I truly could not have been more surprised. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people were surprised, and I've gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like, so, so why did you do this?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you open yourself up to this hatred that

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<v Speaker 2>you're about to get? Yeah, I mean it's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>inevitable that Like that's the point, right, I mean, not

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<v Speaker 2>like the point, but like that's how the drama stays,

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<v Speaker 2>is that like people bring things and they have feelings

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and like the hatred, like how what are

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<v Speaker 2>you preparing for? And how have you prepared yourself for it?

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<v Speaker 2>So so the girls on the cast have all prepared me.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, do no longer will you read comments or

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<v Speaker 2>engage with them. Someone else should do that for you,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's where the fans can get brutal. They also said,

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<v Speaker 2>take off and remove all Google alerts on yourself. I

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<v Speaker 2>have not done that yet because I feel the need

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<v Speaker 2>to know what is being said about me in the press,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I interviewed a guest, Kristen from Nomadical Wines on my

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and I love my last question for passing along advice,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was like, only take advice from women whose

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<v Speaker 1>lives you want, And I just am reinforcing that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if this is not a woman whose life I want,

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<v Speaker 1>do not listen, do not engage, And that helps, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>weed out a lot of the nasty stuff that's about

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<v Speaker 1>to be unleashed. And with the nasty is also great, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's incredible opportunities ahead and I'm excited for that to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It has put you in this sort of like sisterhood

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<v Speaker 2>and camaraderie of a very small group of people whose

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<v Speaker 2>lives have been opened up and exposed in this way

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<v Speaker 2>to your point that you know, like the New York

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<v Speaker 2>reboot is women that have businesses that are definitely not housewives.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually kind of not.

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<v Speaker 2>True like the majority of the housewives of the women

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<v Speaker 2>who have been on Housewives, do you feel a camaraderie

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<v Speaker 2>with women who have been on other franchises? Like, do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel connected to them? I mean, you guys do

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<v Speaker 2>have this kind of like crazy unique thing. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>a trauma bond.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the word for it. That's the word for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's almost like you know what they've been through

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<v Speaker 1>and someone can try and explain to you what it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jenna Lyons tried to explain to me what it

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<v Speaker 1>was like before we started filming. It's like telling a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who's never been pregnant what it's like to like

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<v Speaker 1>give birth, and it can be intense. You know. By nature,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a girl's girl and I want women to succeed,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when women are fighting and coming for each other,

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<v Speaker 1>it's in my nature to want to de escalate, diffuse

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that inherent in this show what makes

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<v Speaker 1>it interesting and drama. So it's this tension for me

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<v Speaker 1>of I want to solve this situation, but I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>What could I do?

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<v Speaker 1>And I found that I was like the Jewish mother

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<v Speaker 1>being like, let me feed you, let me cook for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows if they'll cut it out, but I swear

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<v Speaker 1>to God you could put together a montage of any

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<v Speaker 1>time they're fighting, I immediately get up and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to serve people food.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's actually going to be an incredible cut, like

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<v Speaker 2>all the TCD Stone cut, like Becky cooking trying.

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<v Speaker 1>To serve people food.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean on that point, I feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>format of the show like doesn't really align with the

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<v Speaker 2>way I would like emotionally live my life. In that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I either like wouldn't be that confrontational.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like be confrontational and try to just sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like do it in the least is explosive way possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I might also hold a really long grutch,

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<v Speaker 2>which doesn't really work well if you're trying to move

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<v Speaker 2>a storyline across. Like, how did you find your personality

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<v Speaker 2>vibing with the format?

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<v Speaker 1>I think with the format, I was very much like

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<v Speaker 1>the only way that I winted this is by being

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<v Speaker 1>myself an authentic. So when you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>women had something that she said about me went viral,

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<v Speaker 1>I think people expect you to hold the grudge, bring

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<v Speaker 1>it up, have a big fight about it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I brought it up. She apologized, I accepted

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<v Speaker 1>her apology. We're still friends, and that is wild to

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<v Speaker 1>watch people be like but she said it, and I'm like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are mature women, and so I have to

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<v Speaker 1>go against that belief and grain of like we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have beef forever. We even joke about it right

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<v Speaker 1>now and we joke about you know, you'll see some

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<v Speaker 1>things we joke about later. So it's just like just

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<v Speaker 1>taking the air out of it a little bit because

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to also just be me and that's who

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<v Speaker 1>I am. I'm not someone that like holds a grudge forever.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, unless it's irreparable and you're a crazy person,

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<v Speaker 1>we can have a conversation and normalize just being mature.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one of the things that's always struck me as

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<v Speaker 2>probably I don't know, I guess maybe like difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain over a number of seasons is that you might

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<v Speaker 2>be sort of forced into people that you find to

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<v Speaker 2>be crazy or I find you know that anybody would

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<v Speaker 2>find to be crazy because you actually can't choose everybody involved.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you see that as being like was that

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<v Speaker 2>a limiting factor for you when filming it?

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<v Speaker 1>And do you see it as being a limiting factor

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward?

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it depends if someone is higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Is if someone is there to just be crazy and

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<v Speaker 1>be entertaining, that's just an energy that you learn to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of deal with. Is someone is there to be

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<v Speaker 1>mean spirited, evil, spiteful, really causing true drama and pain.

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<v Speaker 1>That's another level of things that get hard to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I come at it from two places.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not engaging with it. I will not give that life,

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<v Speaker 1>But also where did that person come from and what

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<v Speaker 1>trauma did they experience that made them that way? And

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<v Speaker 1>so I have to have a little empathy when they

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<v Speaker 1>are that way, not sympathy, but empathy of like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you just had to endure a lot, and good job

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<v Speaker 1>on surviving. But I'm not engaging with it and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to validate it. I definitely feel that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, on a totally different topic, I'm very excited for

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<v Speaker 2>the purse you have coming out, which one, The Wicked One, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the Wicked One. Yes, it's almost here.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we allowed to talk about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? We can?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>How I'm the biggest musical theater fan love Wicked obviously

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<v Speaker 2>forever and ever. To be associated with this film is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did.

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<v Speaker 1>This come about that you got to have a piece

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<v Speaker 1>in it? This came about ten days after giving birth

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<v Speaker 1>to my son. I was asked to fly to London.

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<v Speaker 2>All expenses paid, first class.

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<v Speaker 1>Wine and dined all weekend with like Mattel and Lego

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was in my hormone high and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>how could I do that? Can I smuggle my non

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<v Speaker 2>passport baby across? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>And after a while I was like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm choosing my baby, Like I'm going to give this

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity up. And I just wrote a letter like I

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<v Speaker 1>just gave birth, I cannot possibly travel ten days after

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<v Speaker 1>having him. Thank you so much for this opportunity. If

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<v Speaker 1>there's a way to engage with you at a later date,

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<v Speaker 1>let us know. And they're like, send your second best person.

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<v Speaker 1>So I sent Mary. And Mary was my head of

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<v Speaker 1>pr and.

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<v Speaker 2>Partnerships, and she went, and it was this long process.

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<v Speaker 1>Of not only understanding what they wanted, who they were

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<v Speaker 1>looking for, but how do we as a brand bring

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<v Speaker 1>what people love and is iconic about Rebecca Makeoff and

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<v Speaker 1>the film. And we got to see footage and props

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<v Speaker 1>and the makings of which was so incredibly special. When

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you that no detail was spared, Like nine

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<v Speaker 1>million two of us were planted for one of the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they rebuilt from scratch. I'm now blanking on

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the university. You're gonna fill in the blank,

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<v Speaker 1>shiz shiz, dear old shiz.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you. I'm like, gosh, what was the name

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<v Speaker 2>of it?

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<v Speaker 1>So, and they made it handicap accessible as they built it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like just the thought of, Okay, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to use CGI, we want this to be really

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<v Speaker 1>real for people. So and then you go into like

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<v Speaker 1>the grimmery and like, just it's fucking epic what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was really inspired. We came out with two bags.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do more, but you know, I am

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by business people and they're like two is enough.

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<v Speaker 2>One for Galinda, one for alphah Bah.

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<v Speaker 1>One is a hot pink patent like box bag with

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<v Speaker 1>this swarros eat crystal strap not real Swasky, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say the name, but crystal strap. And then

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<v Speaker 1>one is based on one of our best selling bags

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<v Speaker 1>called the Easy and it's stud pattern is from excerpted

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<v Speaker 1>from the Grimmery and there's a great tag in both

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<v Speaker 1>bags said don't hide your magic. And it comes out

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<v Speaker 1>in November.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be in the windows at Bloomingdale's.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm part of their big activation and it'll be available

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<v Speaker 1>on our site and it's limited.

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<v Speaker 2>Addition, so it's going to sell out. Okay, that is

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<v Speaker 2>so cool. Are we going to see any of that

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<v Speaker 2>in the Housewives? Was that happening at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we got to film a really cool scene

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<v Speaker 1>where London sized daughter who's a huge musical theater fan,

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<v Speaker 1>gets to come into the office. She gets to touch

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<v Speaker 1>and hold the props like we got the props delivered

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<v Speaker 1>as a surprise for her. She leaves with a bag

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<v Speaker 1>and I take her through the makings of you know

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<v Speaker 1>and why we chose that bag, so you'll get a

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<v Speaker 1>little sneak peek.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's so cool. That's going to be so special. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this was just at our quick update. Do you have

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<v Speaker 2>anything else that we should talk about?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm a prankster and you're going to see that

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<v Speaker 1>in the episodes. You know, you might see some things

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm trying to make some points about rumors that

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<v Speaker 1>are spreading and how we can expose the rumor spreader.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh okay, that is spicy. I love it. Rebecca, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>so much for coming on, and now for all our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>onto the original episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Into your Face as always.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Rebecca min Coff. I'm a fashion designer

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<v Speaker 1>and the co founder of Female Founder Collective. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast, Superwomen with Rebecca Mincoff, and I'm a best

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<v Speaker 1>selling author Fearless. And you have four kids, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have a mother with four children, which blows my.

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<v Speaker 2>Mind, like three sent me into chaos. Four I cannot imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going home after this to take a nap. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>well deserved. Now where did you grow up? So the

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<v Speaker 2>first nine years of my life was San Diego. The

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<v Speaker 2>second nine years of my life was Tampa, Florida. That

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<v Speaker 2>was not my parents' intention, but they saw that there

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<v Speaker 2>was nothing happening in Tampa and that was great for

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<v Speaker 2>raising children and not having them get into trouble. So

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<v Speaker 2>my dad was a doctor and he had got an

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<v Speaker 2>opening in Florida and he was like, well, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to change of scenery. And that was it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you really launched your career, made a name for yourself

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<v Speaker 2>first as a fashion designer. And you said that the

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<v Speaker 2>first thing you designed was your butt mitzvah outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was the first thing that I designed

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<v Speaker 1>in war successfully. I'll say that I had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to work with this New York City designer who had

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<v Speaker 1>moved to Podunkville where I lived, and she taught me

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<v Speaker 1>how to sew and make patterns, and I was so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a young girl at twelve turning thirteen, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're entering womanhood but you don't look like a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I got a design address that like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe can show off my burgeoning bosom. That was It's

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<v Speaker 1>weird that that was like for my bot mitzvah. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I wanted, was like show off my chest. But

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<v Speaker 1>I had like double a boobs aka nothing, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I was like a square neck like medieval times. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll get like a little push up raw to

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<v Speaker 1>help me. Soon after her show stopping butt Mitzvah outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>Becca continued her creative endeavors and enrolls at a performing

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<v Speaker 1>arts school as a dancer, and then in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>I hit a really tough time where my teachers I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to pivot us too hard. But I was

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<v Speaker 1>a dancer and a performing arts high school, but kept

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<v Speaker 1>getting told like, you're too tall, you ruin the symmetry,

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<v Speaker 1>your boobs are too big, like just everything terrible you

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<v Speaker 1>could tell a young woman. And I was a painfully thin,

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<v Speaker 1>very awkward young girl, and I couldn't fit into regular

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<v Speaker 1>clothes and I was bullied for it. And being able

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<v Speaker 1>to sew and make things fit me gave me a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of confidence and it made me feel incredibly empowered.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I just became addicted to the idea like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh it doesn't fit, no big deal, I can you know,

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<v Speaker 1>take it in or add this to it. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that was just something I just I wanted to sew

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. And then I would make things for

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<v Speaker 1>my friends and it just became a great way to

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<v Speaker 1>like hang out and you end up making something.

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<v Speaker 2>So you grew up jewish. Was that a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of your identity you had about mizphone. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>huge part of my identity. It was every Friday with

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<v Speaker 2>Shabbat I had about Mitzvah. My dad was very serious

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<v Speaker 2>about observing the holidays up until the point, I would

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<v Speaker 2>say about fifteen, and then all of a sudden it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, uh, we did that, which was weird because

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<v Speaker 2>he was so strict about it, and so I was

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<v Speaker 2>already by that time. I went to jew camp starting

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<v Speaker 2>at thirteen, and by sixteen I was going to Israel

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<v Speaker 2>for six weeks for a workshop program with all the

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<v Speaker 2>other kids who were part of the camps. And at eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>I had the opportunity to go live on a kibootz

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<v Speaker 2>for a year, and all my friends were going. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was so desperate to get here and to start

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<v Speaker 2>working and designing, and I felt like if I took

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<v Speaker 2>a year off getting drunk and living on a kibotz,

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<v Speaker 2>that I might be, you know, behind, And so it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one of the hardest decisions I've ever had

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<v Speaker 2>to make. With Sanatka on that trip and here being

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<v Speaker 2>New York. Yeah, so after high school, you are like,

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<v Speaker 2>get me to New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So I thought I wanted to be a geneticist,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I went to Johns Hopkins like to like

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<v Speaker 1>see the school, and I thought, I will die in

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<v Speaker 1>a laboratory. I will just not make it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>I have to do this for seven years before I

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<v Speaker 1>can practice, and I really found out like what it

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<v Speaker 1>takes to be in that world. I thought, Wow, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want this, and then I was like, maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even want to go to college. And in my house,

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<v Speaker 1>my parents are kind of hippies. Everything was untraditional, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they said to any all of us like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool if you want to go to college, but

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to, and if you do, you're paying

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<v Speaker 1>for it. And it was kind of like no pressure,

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<v Speaker 1>so none of us actually ended up going. What else

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<v Speaker 1>was non traditional in your household? I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>the things you think a mother should do for you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't done or a parent, you know, whether it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>the little things like signing you up for summer camp,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like, no, here are the forms you

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<v Speaker 1>fill them out down to My brothers wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>visit their friends and they were thirteen, and she put

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<v Speaker 1>them on a greyhound from Tampa to San Diego. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think everything we wanted, we had to work for.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a ledger in the kitchen and it was

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<v Speaker 1>about how you know what you earned. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>to cook dinner twice a week, and I had to

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<v Speaker 1>doshes twice a week, and so some of those things

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<v Speaker 1>are normal. But I think a lot of this hands

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<v Speaker 1>off approach to like if you want to figure it out,

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<v Speaker 1>was really there. I did negotiate at age nine with

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<v Speaker 1>my art teacher about her prices because my mom was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you wanted these classes, they're too expensive, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can talk to her about lowering the price.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, did you realize that your parents were

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<v Speaker 2>a little more hands off than others around you.

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<v Speaker 1>I started realizing it. I was angry about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was pissed because I would see like my friend

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<v Speaker 1>would just she celebrated Christmas, and I would go there

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, you get all these presents. I get one,

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<v Speaker 1>and your parents take you on trips and I have

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<v Speaker 1>to earn it. Like I was just like, whoa, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a different world. Yeah, but I'm trying to raise

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<v Speaker 1>my children in the same way. You want it, you

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<v Speaker 1>earn it, and I'm hoping it rubs off on the

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<v Speaker 1>entrepreneurial side on them the way it did with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at what point did your perspective flip on the parenting.

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<v Speaker 1>Having not my son? My son, my twelve year old

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<v Speaker 1>has always been grateful and gracious, but my daughter like

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<v Speaker 1>I want, I want, I want, I want, and living

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City, you know, and I'm like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>we are not taking that route with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You will earn this. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's particularly hard in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think, like, you get invited to a

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<v Speaker 1>party in New York City and I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>the words for it, just the goodie bags and the

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<v Speaker 1>bouncy cat, like everything. The abundance is so much that

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<v Speaker 1>even if you're not providing it to them, they're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>it and they know it's possible, and it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, all right, come back down to earth. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So back to your journey. Was it always fashion that

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<v Speaker 1>attracts you?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? What about fashion? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Going back for Hanukah, every year we would get like

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<v Speaker 1>one thing and I would always get a magazine subscription

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<v Speaker 1>to w or Vogue, and then my brother would steal

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<v Speaker 1>it and I would kill him when it finally come

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I would devour it. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I have to be in New York. That's where everything's happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and for everyone listening, it's pre any social I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing magazines are it. So my brother had gone

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<v Speaker 1>to a party and he came home one night and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I just met a designer. He was in

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<v Speaker 1>from New York doing a trunk show at the local

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<v Speaker 1>Podunk Nordstrum in Tampa, and he gave me his number.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he takes interns. Maybe you should call him.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I literally called this guy and he picked up.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, yeah, come up. When do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>come up? We paid minimum wage and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that easy, Okay, I'll be there. And I told

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<v Speaker 1>my parents. I was like, so I'm moving to New

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<v Speaker 1>York and I'm going to start working, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to go on to Craigslist and find me

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<v Speaker 1>an apartment. And my mom and dad were like, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not paying for you to go to an apartment. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to do this, you figured out. So what

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<v Speaker 1>we finally hobbled together was I lived with my friend

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<v Speaker 1>in Fordham University. We shared a bed. He was gay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was like it was fine that we shared

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<v Speaker 1>a bed. He would steak me in every night and

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<v Speaker 1>then over like Russiashana, my parents came up and made

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<v Speaker 1>a deal with my cousin. They're like, all right, she's

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<v Speaker 1>going to sleep on the floor and babysit your kid. Well,

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 1>you let her live with you. And that was, you

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<v Speaker 1>know how it all started.

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<v Speaker 2>So what did you do as an intern?

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<v Speaker 1>So my first day, the CEO, who ended up becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a mentor, was like, ugh, you're just another pretty girl

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<v Speaker 1>he's let in here. Day one was you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>work in the shipping department, and I was so angry

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:16.399
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I am better than this. But

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<v Speaker 1>I really learned a lot about packaging and shipping. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it was like organize a supply closet, answer the phones,

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<v Speaker 1>cuts watches, call these stores, make appointments, and every day

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<v Speaker 1>was different. And as I began to get used to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of not knowing what I was going to do

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<v Speaker 1>that day, it just got exciting to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>learn every sort of part of the business. And then

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<v Speaker 1>about six months in, I said, I think you should

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<v Speaker 1>hire me full time. I've proven my worth and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to work in the design area and she was like, great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes you have. So she began to design for Craig Tailor,

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<v Speaker 2>but all the time she continued to keep one foot

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<v Speaker 2>in as a dancer, thinking that might be the path

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<v Speaker 2>she would pursue.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so happy to be there, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>still kind of like, do I still be a dancer?

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<v Speaker 1>I was taking classes at Alvin Alien. I had gotten

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<v Speaker 1>into their two year certificate program and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I forget where I was. But someone's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you should be a model, and I was like, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be a model until I went into a castaing

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy was like, you know, you're really hairy,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he reached over and he's like and you

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<v Speaker 1>got to get rid of this and he grabbed my

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<v Speaker 1>stomach fat and I was like, I'm going to just

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<v Speaker 1>put that idea to bed, because okay, maybe I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>a dancer or designer. And then I said this to

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<v Speaker 1>this woman, Komy, the CEO, and she's like, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to decide what you want to do, Like you can't

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<v Speaker 1>be all over the place. It's time to get focused

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what is it? And I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>she might be right. So I said I'll pursue design,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I ended up working there for a total

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<v Speaker 1>of around three years.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Do you feel like that was the right advice

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<v Speaker 2>for you in that moment?

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<v Speaker 1>It was because I was just like, maybe I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>this and maybe I'll be that, And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>those types of maybees are great if you're sixteen, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're not great if you're nineteen and you decided not

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<v Speaker 1>to go to college and you moved to New York

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<v Speaker 1>to work for a designer like Pickoling.

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<v Speaker 2>Spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 1>She did. She started small custom making a small collection

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<v Speaker 1>of pieces herself. I had a five piece collection. I

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<v Speaker 1>live New York was one of them, literally bought off

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 1>the street but cut up and me dazzled because that

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<v Speaker 1>was pre Etsy and people wanted DIY and an actress,

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<v Speaker 1>Jenna Elfman asked for it via my brother again he

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be a connection and senator on September ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>she wore on Jay Leno Two months later and said

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<v Speaker 1>my name on national televisions One actress hand a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun. She could be seen on the sitcom Accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>on Purpose, which airs Wednesday night. It's another Networks.

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<v Speaker 2>Please welcome to Jenna.

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<v Speaker 1>Elfman, and that was kind of like the big moment

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<v Speaker 1>of being in the magazine and making all these shirts

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<v Speaker 1>and nine months straight of that that.

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<v Speaker 2>Shirt, riding the high of her new success. It was

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<v Speaker 2>her mentor that once again played a key role in

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<v Speaker 2>nudging her towards her true potential.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Koomi the same sea called me and was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're fired, Go do what you love.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah you were so young. I was twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It was scary, but I think that when you

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing right and you were fueled by your work

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<v Speaker 1>and buy potential and opportunity, I was like, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>worst that could happen? I end up on my parents' couch, right,

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>And to me that was like, Okay, that'll suck and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to regroup, but like, let me just try it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so you did the T shirts for a

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<v Speaker 2>little while. Yeah, about nine months, it's all. I did,

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<v Speaker 2>just these five T shirts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And then I started calling stores and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I have more than a shirt, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let me show you. And then one store in these

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<v Speaker 1>village was like, I'll take this blouse on consignment, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I would literally given the plows and then go

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<v Speaker 1>into Union Square and pass out postcards like new Designer

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<v Speaker 1>Alert now, like I was one of those people standing

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<v Speaker 1>there like handing this out. And then I'd run back

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<v Speaker 1>to the store and be like did it sell and

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<v Speaker 1>he'd be like yeah, Like all right, I passed out

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 1>five hundred postcards for one sale, so if I want

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<v Speaker 1>to sell more, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta do one thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would go back to Union Square, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was scrappy. I would find out who magazine editors were.

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<v Speaker 1>Email was new, but I would like figure it out

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<v Speaker 1>and then email them all images. And then I found

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<v Speaker 1>one burgeoning website called raven Style, and she would buy

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and I'd be like, I need the deposit before

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I make the goods.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was about to ask how you had the

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<v Speaker 2>capital and how you had the connections to be producing

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<v Speaker 2>at that kind of scale. It was not.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not a big scale. It was a very

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<v Speaker 1>tiny scale. The amazing woman from Raven Style would give

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<v Speaker 1>me a deposit because she knew I had didn't have it,

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<v Speaker 1>so she'd give me enough. I'd go uptown, buy the fabric,

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<v Speaker 1>buy the crystals, make it, and then deliver it to

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<v Speaker 1>her for the balance of the payment. So I worked

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<v Speaker 1>like that for a long time and then I said

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<v Speaker 1>to my dad, I would like to open up a

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<v Speaker 1>credit card. Could you co sign it with me? And

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<v Speaker 1>because he had great credit, I got a lot of money.

0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>But he was like, just want to let you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not paying for this card, like you are responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when I got into trouble. When I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have enough orders or I had to buy fabric or whatever,

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd put it on the card and be like, hey, yea,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll pay it back, and then you know, I slowly

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>racked up a lot of debt. That inevitably is when

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.719
<v Speaker 1>I had to call my brother and that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when we begin working together and the bags started

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<v Speaker 1>to take off. So that was kind of the all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm out of my leak on the business side of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and I actually need someone to help me.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you actually talk through with some of those steps

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 2>are souse. I think that a lot of people when

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<v Speaker 2>they're thinking about their pivot, go immediately to product and think, oh, well,

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll just make a product and I'll sell it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think not having an understanding of the ebbs and flows.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, particularly of apparel business I think ends up

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<v Speaker 2>surprising a lot of people sounds like, including you, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's surprising.

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>So I think with apparel it's really you know, if

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>your dream is to be a designer, And again I

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>would give different advice if you're a T shirt versus

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>a cature gown. But I think that having your own

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 1>website is in credit important whether you're selling anything or not.

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think today there's a lot more creativity in

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 1>how you can take orders. You know, one of the

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 1>things when NFTs were all the rage was the idea

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>that you could treat the NFT as a token and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, by this NFT you will get the dress too,

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<v Speaker 1>but you also get to see me in my studio

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<v Speaker 1>working or at a photo shoot, or access to things

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>that money can't buy. And so I think that's a

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 1>smart and powerful way to raise money. And I think

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>that the idea of the Tupperware party is not dead.

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>It's like who do you have and know with circles

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 1>of influence that could host and support you. When I

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>look back, there was a woman in Los Angeles that

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>would like put out wine and cheese and she's like,

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>bring seventy five bags. They'll be gone by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the night, and she would invite all her friends

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and they were excited, and the bags were gone and

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I had cash. And so I think that as you

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 1>begin to look at your business, there's a lot of

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 1>non traditional ideas you can use to do it. But

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>so many women are like, oh, I'm starting an apparel company.

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I need to raise money, you know. And I think

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>that that's the wrong approach because most investors know they

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>will not see her return on an investment of just

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.959
<v Speaker 1>an apparel company. That's just not how it works. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I say start small, start focused, be the best

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>in whatever it is, even if it's a white T

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>shirt and why, and from there, really make your network

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 1>help support you and work for you. She continued to

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>build and grow, but slower than she wanted. She craved

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>another big break, and that's when she came up with

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>her iconic morning after bag.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that one. They're perfectly disheveled, can fit everything,

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>but looks like an it girl would carry it.

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Bag and people took notice of what's now known as

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the iconic morning after bag.

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Now, the original morning after bag was very popular in

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the mid two thousands, most.

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Notably carried by celebrities Hayden Panitier and Lindsay Lohan.

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<v Speaker 2>This is honest one of my favorite bags, just because

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the functionality of this bag is great. Ship.

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I had just launched the bag. It had a heat

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>in a momentum that I never had with the apparel.

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>It hit a nerve with women in a way that

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>you can only hope happens to everyone.

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:19.440
<v Speaker 2>And switching to bags that's a much more expensive product,

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 2>like for you to make? Yeah, was that a decision

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<v Speaker 2>based on design? Based on presented return?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What was that decision for you?

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>The decision for the bag was really about Jenna came

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 1>back to me. She said, I'm going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>a feature film. The character wears the bag the entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>You will not have seen this film because I went

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>straight to DVD. Sadly, okay, I was about to ask

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>you which films colle touched. Bag did not make it

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>to set. It was delivered two hours late. They started filming.

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>It was devastating. When I say, I was like, like

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>the assistant College's like, where is the bag?

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I don't know.

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.479
<v Speaker 1>And then it arrived and she's like we started shooting

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:57.239
<v Speaker 1>with another bag, and I was like, can you redo it?

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 1>She was like no, so my just cru it was terrible.

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I was like on the corner of like Fifth Avenue

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 1>near Henry Bendell or wherever that Stora just was like

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>pacing back and forth while I was on the phone

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>with her, and I was like, well, I just I

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>just bought a really expensive bag. My first, you know,

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>I made her a sample. I made me a sample.

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>And then I noticed as I was wearing the sample,

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>so many women were stopping me on the street asking

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>me about, you know, the bag, and I thought, there's

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>something here. Let's see what happens. So a dear friend

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>of mine, who was a stylist that I knew through

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>the industry, was like, I'm gonna have Daily Candy write

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 1>about it, and we're going to put it in this

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 1>store that I know in La called Seteen, which is

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>like the go to store for celebrities, and they ordered

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>twelve Daily Candy wrote about it sold out in like

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes.

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Pretty soon it girls everywhere werek herrying the bag. Lindsay

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Lohan was photographed with it, and it began to fly

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.239
<v Speaker 2>off the shelves faster than she could keep up with.

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 2>So she turned back to her dad looking for financing

0:33:58.840 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to keep up with the orders.

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>And so I went back to my dad. I was like,

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm not a loser anymore. I actually have

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 1>something that's working. Do you want to loan me just

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more money to make the next production run.

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>He's like absolutely not, Like how are you paying the

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 1>credit card? Because I'm seeing the bills and the balance

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>isn't really going down that much. It's like one hundred

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>dollars a month, but this is this is sixty grand

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 1>that you've spent. I was like, all right, I'll talk

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 1>to you later.

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Bye.

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>So I called my brother, and my brother had basic

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:27.800
<v Speaker 1>business questions. Is there an LLC? Do you have a

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 1>TAXID number? All that whatever? And the original intent wasn't

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>like all right, now we're partners. He was just kind

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>of helping me through. He was advancing me capital. He

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:38.800
<v Speaker 1>was in the software world. He has a software company,

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 1>and when he could see the numbers start to really

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 1>like the orders coming in, like really growing, he was like, oh,

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>there's something here, and he felt comfortable enough with the

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 1>trajectory of the business that he put his credit card

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>as you know, the funding of things. And then it

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.399
<v Speaker 1>was his house. He mortgaged his house because we could

0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>not get a loan, and the whole v see private

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.760
<v Speaker 1>equity game hadn't even really started in our industry yet,

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>so we waited seven years before we took outside capital.

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>She continued to bootstrap, barely paying herself a salary and

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 2>supplementing her growing business with other work. I supplemented my

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 2>T shirt years with styling.

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I was a stylist. I did Heidi Klumb for the

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>first season of Project Runway. They were like, all right,

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 1>we have one thousand dollars for ten episodes and no

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:29.839
<v Speaker 1>budget for wardrobe. Do you want this great job? I

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>was like yes. I was begging people, like I would

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>call Chanelle and like all these things, and everyone would

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 1>shut the door in my face to lend her.

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they didn't you want to lend her do.

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Like reality TV Project Runway, Like that sounds terrible. It

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 1>was in reality TV was like new and dirty and

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, like beneath people. Yeah, so I had to

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 1>like rub pennies together to like get her to look good.

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I even put her in a lot of my stuff

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>at the time. Anyways, so that made me some money.

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean that felt was actually moortant to me, kind

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>of an opportunity to put you in her clothes. Oh no,

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:04.879
<v Speaker 1>it was great.

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Did that help with that publicity? That actually helps the line?

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>That was that exposure that helped.

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was nice because I could use it

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.240
<v Speaker 1>when I go to a store like oh, Heidi Klum

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 1>wearing my shirt Patrick, you know, like I could when

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the series became a success, I could use it working

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>with families complicated. Yeah, how's it been. So we sold

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the business February of last year, so he is now

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:29.280
<v Speaker 1>just an advisor. But I think we had the building

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.759
<v Speaker 1>years were incredible. He was in his lane, I was

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 1>in mind. And then when we each figured out our

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 1>own areas and like started giving each other feedback and

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 1>advice in each other's lanes, the sparks would fly. And

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>so we had a lot of tough times where we

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>weren't speaking and not getting along and fighting pretty badly.

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:51.319
<v Speaker 1>We got a business therapist basically to help us, you know,

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 1>get back on the same page, and we would do

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:55.840
<v Speaker 1>that once a year as like vomit it all out

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully come to some sort of alignment. But it

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>was it took a toll on our relationship for sure,

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Still they.

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Were clearly a good team. Eventually, the brand had grown

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 2>to over one hundred million in sales and they decided

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 2>to bring on a new president.

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>We brought in this president that we brought her in

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 1>very early on. Oh, we brought her in before we

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.839
<v Speaker 1>could afford to pay me. My brother was like, add

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 1>up your rent and your Ramen budget and let me

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:23.839
<v Speaker 1>know what that totals. And I was like, it's twenty

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>three thousand dollars a year. He's like, great, that's your salary.

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>And so then we paid her. And then he didn't

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.800
<v Speaker 1>take a salary because he was making money from his software.

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 1>So we brought her in in what year was it

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:40.439
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and seven? I believe there's like a two

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 1>year span, but at its height, we were doing one

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred and ten million in sales and we probably had

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>one hundred employees. It was unbearable. Unbearable, how the pressure,

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the stress, all of it. Managing a team of eighteen

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>people and being all in it as a designer and

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 1>then expected to travel to thirty cities, do the waving

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 1>in the trunk shows, be the face of social you.

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Know, be a mother. It was untenable. So you started

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:11.799
<v Speaker 2>having kids, and at what point did you feel like,

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 2>I can't give this whole portfolio. This eighteen person reporting

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>system is not going to cut it.

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>So I was about to go on maternityly with baby

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>number three. It was twenty eighteen, and I had been

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>chasing this idea of I just need another hit. I

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 1>just need a big hit. So we had this big

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:35.959
<v Speaker 1>growth surge with this crossbody that was one ninety five.

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, me and the team all day long,

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 1>what's the next one, what's the next one? Okay, we

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>got it, Let's replicate it exactly how we did the

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 1>last one and get on this person this person, and

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't working. And I was like banging my head

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>against the wall. And then I was like, maybe I

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 1>don't have it anymore. Maybe I'm just not cut out

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>for this, or maybe there's someone more talented than me.

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>And I was just like circling. And there was a

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.959
<v Speaker 1>woman at the company who had been designing the under

0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>my brother and he's like, why don't you like her

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:07.399
<v Speaker 1>run things for a little bit while you go out

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 1>and she'll off for a fresh perspective. And I was like,

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:11.399
<v Speaker 1>take it.

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm fucking tired. It's been a long journey.

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>It was thirteen years at that point, and so I

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.440
<v Speaker 1>really left and I handed her off, like, here my

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 1>mood boards for the next six seasons. Here's everything. I'd

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>tied it with a bow. She was like, great, put

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>it in the trash as soon as I left the

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>room and I went out on leave. And we'd also

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 1>hired someone we thought was going to be the most

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 1>incredible person in marketing, and she had a doctorate, and

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, what do I know? Like this

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 1>woman is clearly learned. Yes, So when I got back,

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I felt like a stranger in my own company. And

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the marketing person literally said to me, my job would

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>be easier if you didn't exist.

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 2>The word's done. But it forced her to take a

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 2>step back and see a larger issue where she could

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>have an impact empowering em founders.

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.919
<v Speaker 1>So by that time, I only had to have one

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 1>design meeting a week at the time, and I had

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:09.839
<v Speaker 1>a lot more time on my hands, and so I

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 1>was like, great, you know, I'll do more speaking. And

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's when I really was like, wow, women

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 1>are not paid equally, Like I'm in an industry where

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>it's women bashing women, But I had no idea that

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>when you peel outside of the fashion industry, like, there's

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>another struggle going on that I really didn't know about.

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 1>And so to hear about wage inequality and you know,

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>more men named John than women and CEOs, like, I

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>was just like, holy shit, I thought we were just

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was just women being terrible to women.

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know anything else. How did you find out

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 2>about it? Like, you were still in the same industry,

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:46.720
<v Speaker 2>you were still in your company.

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I was desperate to make connections and this

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>started earlier in like twenty sixteen with women outside of

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 1>my industry. So I would host these dinners at my

0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>store and like have women like the president of the WM,

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the private wealth investor for Chase, and you know, a

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 1>magazine editor or just people outside of my world, and

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I would hear them talk and I was like, oh shit,

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, there needs to be a way to support

0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:12.879
<v Speaker 1>women more.

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 2>What do you think you were chasing by starting this

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:16.720
<v Speaker 2>dinner series.

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I was chasing a community and a camaraderie that I

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>wasn't able to get within my industry, and I was

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>hungry for outside perspectives.

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 2>The timing is striking me as interesting as looking for

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 2>a community of women, because when I started this podcast,

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>I had an anticipation that a lot of women's kind

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.319
<v Speaker 2>of dark moment that led to their pivot, like might

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.760
<v Speaker 2>be COVID or might be like whatever, there's like personal

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 2>thing that happened to them. In my case, it was

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:43.439
<v Speaker 2>having a lot of kids all at the same time.

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 2>What I did not anticipate is that I hear often

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 2>more often than I thought, is twenty sixteen the election

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 2>of Donald Trump as something that really changed a lot

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:55.279
<v Speaker 2>of women's perspectives. Yeah, I just hear it much more

0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 2>often than I anticipated. So that is the same year

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 2>that you started these dinners. Do you think, even if

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't, the election in general just sort of like

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 2>the context that led you to start them.

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>It's a good question. I don't know if it was

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>a conscious thing. It just felt like I was suffocating

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 1>in my own industry and it was so not supportive.

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember being on air with another designer and the

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:23.160
<v Speaker 1>interviewer said, Rebecca, you make my favorite dress, and then

0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I was cut out of the segment, and I thought,

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>now I really must have like done a shitty job

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:31.359
<v Speaker 1>as a guest. And I saw the producer a couple

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 1>of weeks later said I'm so sorry we had to

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 1>cut you, like she's best friends with my boss, and

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that designer was so offended that she wasn't the favorite

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 1>designer that she had you cut out. And I was like,

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:43.799
<v Speaker 1>this is gross. You know, in twenty sixteen, I was

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 1>two years postpartum. I was like, you know, getting myself

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>back together and out there, and so two years of

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>meeting and talking and being around women. Then when I

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 1>had the time, I was like, we I need to

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:54.879
<v Speaker 1>do something to.

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Support So what was the first project that you jumped

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 2>into in twenty eighteen once you've you're back from attorney

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 2>even you realized I can only do one design meeting

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 2>a week. I've got more time.

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, I said to this really smart marketing person. I

0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:10.160
<v Speaker 1>was like, so, what's our plan. She's like, well, we

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 1>are going to use you in social but not yet.

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, okay, now what do I do?

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 1>So I had like two weeks of ladies who lunch

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm going crazy, like I can't

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<v Speaker 1>do this, and so she said we should start a podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, I wanted to start a podcast two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and I was told it was not a

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<v Speaker 1>good idea, and she's like, it's a great idea, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, great, I'm on it. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>began the process of figuring out how to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we were at a party for it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a rooftop event for some congresswoman or someone to

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<v Speaker 1>get elected, and I just remember going, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to make women rich. And the only

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<v Speaker 1>way that I know how is if we can know

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<v Speaker 1>who they are, we can have a community around them,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can support them with education. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>just remember thinking about this idea and I said to

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<v Speaker 1>a woman on the team, I was like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think about this idea. I was on the Council

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<v Speaker 1>for Women and Girls with Melissa de Rosa and the governor,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm going to bring this to

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<v Speaker 1>the state and the state should have a state seal

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that recognizes women own businesses, and blah blah blah and

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<v Speaker 1>the red tape and the calls and the just ad nauseum,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember and I just reconnected with her today.

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<v Speaker 1>A woman who was an executive director on the committee

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<v Speaker 1>was like, why are you asking the state's permission? Just

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<v Speaker 1>do this yourself. And I was like, fuck yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing it for myself, and that's when I took it

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<v Speaker 1>into my hands and I said, this has to launch.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why I wanted to start Female Founder Collective

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 1>was I wanted there to be some recognizable symbol where

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<v Speaker 1>we as females a support and know who is running

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<v Speaker 1>the business. So I couldn't be more excited to be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of the Female Founder Collective and really give

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<v Speaker 1>women all across America and hopefully the world the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to recognize female made, female supported, and female powered brands

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<v Speaker 1>with and a longtime supporter who was at IMG, Leslie Russo,

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm going to put everything behind this. So

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<v Speaker 1>you get the photographer, the makeup, the hair, like, everything's covered.

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.239
<v Speaker 1>We'll shoot it, We'll launch it with a panel at

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<v Speaker 1>fashion Week, and I had a website with like leave

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<v Speaker 1>your email here if you'd like our application, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was it. That was all we had was me and

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<v Speaker 1>my assistant at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's but I mean, that's so interesting that you

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<v Speaker 2>launched it within the context of an industry that you

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<v Speaker 2>were actually trying to get out of.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But I needed the eyeballs and the press and

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<v Speaker 1>media around that thing I felt to get momentum.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you launch with a cohort or you just

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 2>launched with an idea.

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:37.239
<v Speaker 1>I launched with an idea. Apply here, we'd send you

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the form, we'd review it. If you passed, you were in.

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:42.960
<v Speaker 1>And then what you were in was like we were

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<v Speaker 1>making it up at the time, but there's members that

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<v Speaker 1>are still around from that time, which is really nice.

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<v Speaker 2>We're five years old, So how did you start to

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it was becoming the hitting mass? So you

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<v Speaker 2>had the community that you wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the first i'd say two weeks, we hit

0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 1>three thousand applications and I was like, oh shit, we

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:03.359
<v Speaker 1>have to do something with this now. So the first

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 1>step was okay, here's this you know, once we've approved

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>and vetted you, here's the CEOs you can place on

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.760
<v Speaker 1>your website or your products. That was kind of most important.

0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>And then it was like, well, we need a day,

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:16.759
<v Speaker 1>like we need an event. And I was about three

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<v Speaker 1>months in when I met my co founder and CEO

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<v Speaker 1>Ali Wyatt, and she came on and she had been

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<v Speaker 1>at Girl Bossy. She was the CEO of Girl Boston,

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<v Speaker 1>so she knew how to like structure this.

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<v Speaker 2>So we started.

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<v Speaker 1>Planning Female Founder's Day, which ended up being in March

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty nineteen. So all of our focus went to, like, oh, right,

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>community you're in and our first big kickoff is going

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 1>to be in March, and we're going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>day where it's not a bunch of women just talking

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<v Speaker 1>on panels, because you can get that from anyone, but

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have vetted experts giving you ninety minute workshops

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 1>on whatever topic is your pain point, and so we

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of have you know, we had our hero keynotes,

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:54.720
<v Speaker 1>and then the day was like what's pick your poison?

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 1>And so after that then we said, okay, our next

0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>event is this, and then we were able to have

0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 1>enough kind of community events and then online events that

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of how we started.

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<v Speaker 2>Rebecca spent most of her time building Female Founder Collective,

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:15.280
<v Speaker 2>letting her eponymous brand run without her until it couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>any longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Things within the business shifted. I got rid of the

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 1>two ladies. The business needed me really back, and so

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<v Speaker 1>by that time I had a CEO, co founder, I

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 1>had a head of operations, and so I was like,

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm going to be focusing my attention back

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 1>into my company again. I felt like it was at

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 1>a space where when Ali and I came together, she

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 1>was like, I really want to be the CEO, and

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 1>I really want to run this day to day, Like

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 1>what part do you want in it? Because it won't

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 1>work if we both want to do that. And I

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.359
<v Speaker 1>was like, great, I want to help with high level

0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:54.880
<v Speaker 1>strategy goals, pull in big contacts, and like use my

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>network to really amplify this. But I don't want to

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 1>be in the day today of managing the daily task.

0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 1>I already have this other job. So I think for

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 1>me it worked out that I could then turn my

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:11.880
<v Speaker 1>attention back to Rebecca mink Off and still be involved,

0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 1>but not on the nitty gritty.

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like putting the right team together in each place

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 2>for you to be at your best and highest use

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:22.640
<v Speaker 2>in both correct. So, what was one point where at

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 2>the time you were like, Okay, this is really terrible.

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 2>This is like a low point for me, and now

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.840
<v Speaker 2>in retrospect you see it as having really set you

0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 2>up for the success that you have now.

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I think the low point was that day that I

0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:38.280
<v Speaker 1>got back that she said that to me, and that

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that person and her and let's say there was a

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 1>total of three were there for let's say nine months,

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and feeling like I was a complete and total stranger

0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:54.920
<v Speaker 1>in my own company with no power, and people say,

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:56.759
<v Speaker 1>but this was your company, Like how did you have

0:48:56.800 --> 0:48:59.600
<v Speaker 1>no power? And I'm like, at a certain point, you

0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:03.200
<v Speaker 1>have word, you have you know. My brother was aligned

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 1>with them because he thought that they knew what they

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.800
<v Speaker 1>were doing, and so I would be like, well, listen

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to me, you know, and like one day I found

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 1>out that the speak had changed. It was like, we're

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:16.960
<v Speaker 1>loving this, and I was like, no, the caption is

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:20.840
<v Speaker 1>from me to the customer, it's not we and they're like, well,

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 1>she said to change it. I'd be like I'm erased.

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 1>And that was the worst time in my life. And

0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:33.839
<v Speaker 1>what I have trouble rectifying is that awful woman inspired

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:39.319
<v Speaker 1>things that bring me joy? How did that awfulness from that?

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I got these two things, my podcast and female Founder Collective,

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:46.760
<v Speaker 1>And so sometimes I'm like, I hate you, but thank you.

0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 2>You know. It's a very weird feeling. Yeah, No, I

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 2>mean I feel like it's like the whole premise of

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:55.919
<v Speaker 2>this entire show that like at the time, you think,

0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it can't get any worse than it,

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 2>and I feel like you kind of to get to

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 2>like a real low in order for your perspective to shift,

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 2>because just as human beings, we just we don't change

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 2>drastically without being forced to. Like it is not on

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:13.120
<v Speaker 2>our NATR, yeah for sure, but it does give birth

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.000
<v Speaker 2>something totally now. Thank you so much for joining us.

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.319
<v Speaker 2>I really feel like this has gone by in one second.

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<v Speaker 2>I could talk to you all day long.

0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me.

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Rebecca continues to juggle it all as a mom of

0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:30.360
<v Speaker 2>four running her Rebecca Mincoff label while continuing to prioritize

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 2>empowering women through the Female Founder Collective. If you're not already,

0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:39.280
<v Speaker 2>head over to her podcast, Superwoman and subscribe. I'm biased,

0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 2>but I think our episode together on Superwoman.

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Is one of the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Be sure to follow Rebecca on Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>at Rebecca Mincoff. Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening to

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