1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, what's going on? How's it how's it hanging? 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: Ah? 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 3: Pretty good, man. I was calling in to get some 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 3: stuff off my chest. I believe you, and I am sorry. 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 3: I'm a little bit nervous here. 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: It's okay, man, it's okay. Tell me tell me what 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: it is that you wanted to talk about today. 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: Ah Man. So, I'm I'm addicted to the hookers, man, okay. 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: And it's not just it's not just hookers, right, it's 10 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: the idea of hitting it all, you know, Okay, Yeah, 11 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: and I can and convincing them, you know, just some will, 12 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 3: some won't, Some don't give a ship. Some are expensive, 13 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: some are cheap, and it doesn't matter, you know. I'm 14 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 3: just I'm I'm addicted to it, man. 15 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: Okay. How how often are you seeing prostitutes? 16 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: Man? As often as humanly possible, As long as I 17 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 3: have the disposable income to do so, As long as 18 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: my bills are paid pretty much, and foods in my mouth, 19 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: pretty much, everything else is going to that become a 20 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 3: hobby or a sport at this point. 21 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: You know, how long have you been been doing this for? 22 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: Ah man? So the whole doing it raw was in 23 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: the past year or so, but I I've been seeing 24 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: the hookers off and on for about six years now. 25 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: For the most part, at first it was just the 26 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: thrill of seeing a hooker, right, and then that wasn't 27 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: enough anymore. The idea of being able to pay for 28 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: something that you want without having to deal with the 29 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: extra bullshit was fun to me, you know, a part 30 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 3: of my language. 31 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: Sorry m hm. And how often would you I know 32 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: you said as often as you can, but like, you know, realistically, 33 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: how often would you say you're you're visiting a prostitute? 34 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: Anywhere between one to four times a week? Okay, it's 35 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 3: almost never the same girl in the same state. 36 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: How much money are you. 37 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 3: This year alone? Probably about thirty to forty grand Okay. 38 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: So, I mean, if we were to get into this here, 39 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: what what kind of like need do you feel like 40 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: you're trying to fill with these prostitutes. 41 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: I mean, if you were to get into it, I 42 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: don't really know. 43 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: I guess. 44 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: The excitement my day to day lacks, you know, because 45 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: like I said, it's it's like a sport to me. 46 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: It's something that excites me. When when it's somebody I've 47 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: never met before, you know, it's a little stranger. It's 48 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: that that that rush of meeting somebody new and doing 49 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: the most primal thing a human being can do, you know. 50 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure I could. I mean there's definitely like a 51 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, uh, some kind of a novelty dopamine chasing 52 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: thing going on, for sure. 53 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 3: But I'm. 54 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: Now, what were you gonna say? 55 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, go ahead, sorry. 56 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: Okay, now you said that you're you're chasing some kind 57 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: of excitement that you feel like is not present in 58 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: your life, right yeah, yeah, okay, tell me about tell 59 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: me about your life outside of uh, outside of outside 60 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: of your prostitute addiction. What do you what do you 61 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: do on a daily basis? What is your life like? Ah? 62 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 3: Man, So i work by myself right day in day out. 63 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: I'm all alone from you know, sun up to sundown, 64 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: and I'm stuck with my thoughts of previous previous endeavors, 65 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: previous actions, you know, and you know, I get a 66 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: chance to think a lot, and I think that's what 67 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 3: that's what drives me to it so much, right is 68 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: I'm left alone with my thoughts so much, no human 69 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 3: interaction throughout the day. I need that little bit of 70 00:05:52,960 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: extra excitement. I guess maybe it's boredom or possibly even 71 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: just my addictive personality, you know. 72 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, you know, I think one of the 73 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: things that you know, sex provides is like time, is 74 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: that it's a very as you were talking about, as 75 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: a very primal in the moment thing. You know, when 76 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: you're having sex and you're you know, focused on someone's body, 77 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: your you know, thoughts kind of dissipate and your you know, 78 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: in your in your sex brain, and you're very focused 79 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: on one particular thing. Uh, and you know, there can 80 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: be an attractive notion and you can and you know, 81 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: you could really say that about a lot of addicting things. 82 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: You know. 83 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure you could say that about you know, drugs 84 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: and alcohol and video games and you know anything that 85 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, we use to take our minds off of, 86 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, the thoughts that we're trying to avoid. Go ahead, 87 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: I was gonna say. 88 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: The crazy part is I was able to give up 89 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: the rest of that stuff, right Like I used to 90 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: be addicted to, you know, all sorts of different things. 91 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: I was addicted to drugs, I was addicted to cigarettes, this, 92 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: that and the other, and I gave it all up, 93 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: you know, for a good long time. And I'm still 94 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: clean and sober to this day, and this is just 95 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: a recent thing. It was like as soon as I 96 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: started making good money, it was like I needed to 97 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: spend it as fast as humanly possible, you know, because 98 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: I'd been so poor for so long. You know, I 99 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: found just a really good paying job, and you know, 100 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: I guess that's where it all started. Right now. 101 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: Is there a is this fulfilling and a thing for 102 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: you that is that is purely sexual, that is purely about, 103 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, achieving a sexual gratification or is there an 104 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: element here of trying to satisfy, you know, a need 105 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: for intimacy. 106 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's purely sexual, though I would say 107 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 3: that it's a good portion. I mean, there is a 108 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: bit of the intimacy factor that goes with it, you know, 109 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: because like I said, I am alone all day blah 110 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: blah blah, and you know, I'm alone from anywhere for 111 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks to a couple of months at 112 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: a time when I'm working, So you know, it depends. 113 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 3: But I would say a majority of it is the 114 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: ideal of the primal just lizard brain in me, just 115 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: I trying to copulate with as many female partners as 116 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: humanly possible. 117 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: M You said that you have like an addictive personality, 118 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: so this is kind of like this, this kind of 119 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: like excess and you know, never ending. You know, desire 120 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: to be filled is something that's been like a constant 121 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: throughout a lot of your life. 122 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would say so. You know, it started 123 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: out with you know, cigarettes when I was young, super young, 124 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: probably I don't know, nine ten years old. Started with cigarettes, 125 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: and then it was weed, and then it was drinking 126 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: and weed. Then it was you know, coke and ecstasy, 127 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: and next thing I know, I'm homeless under a bridge 128 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: shooting Crystal mess. You know, Okay, I lost everything. 129 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: I love h and you're you're not homeless currently. You 130 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: said that you have a job and you're making money. 131 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: Now, Oh yeah, I make well over six figures. Now. 132 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 3: I've got my life together. I've got a nice place, 133 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: I'm fully furnished. I'm almost never home, but you know, 134 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: I mean I got a really nice place for when 135 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: I do get a chance to go home that I 136 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 3: get to enjoy. And even through all of this, I'm 137 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 3: still able to save money and set it aside to 138 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 3: to be able to to save up and try and 139 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: you know, do something for the future, investments, get a house, 140 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. So that's. 141 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: No, guy, go ahead. I wanted you to finish since. 142 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: I guess that's the part that's what's making it so hard, 143 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 3: right is I'm still able to manage everything on my 144 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: day to day right, Like, it's not fucking up my 145 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: life in any way, except for the fact that I 146 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: caught chlamittee twice yeah this year, which is at the 147 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: end of the day, not that big a deal. You 148 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 3: take a couple of antibiotics and you're okay in a week, Yeah. 149 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So that was So that kind of leads 150 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: into the question I was going to ask you, which 151 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: is like, okay, so you have this you know, addiction 152 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 1: to to seeing prostitutes. And it's a dude, it's a 153 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: difficult thing when you have an addiction of some kind 154 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: or a problem of some kind, but you don't but 155 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: yet you're able to be functional and you know, you're 156 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: you're making money, and you're you know, have all these 157 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: aspects of your life that are going well. In spy 158 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: of this problem that you have. It makes it really 159 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: easy to go well, if all these other aspects of 160 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: my life are going, well, is this problem even really 161 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: a problem? And then that that, you know, kind of 162 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: demotivates you in your uh, you know, desire to fix it. 163 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: So I want to know, you know, from you, if 164 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: you had to really think about it, and you know 165 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: you called in to me and you wanted to talk 166 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: about this, and you know you I can tell that 167 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: you're identifying this as as a problem. What to you 168 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: are the ways in which this is this is negatively 169 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: impacting you. 170 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: Ah, Man, I find myself putting me or I find 171 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 3: I'm putting myself in risky positions even though I'm making 172 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: good money right now, right like technically, hiring an escort 173 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: or prostitute is illegal at the end of the day, 174 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 3: right like that that could end up costing me my job. 175 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: And it's it could, you know, it more than likely 176 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: won't because of how safe I am. But you do 177 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: anything enough, eventually you will get caught, you know. And 178 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: it's one of those things. It's not it's not sustainable, 179 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: right because one day I will make the wrong decision, right, 180 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: one day I'll hook up with the wrong girl and 181 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: maybe just maybe probably won't, but maybe I'll catch something 182 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: that's incurable. But as it sits right now, with medical advances, 183 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: if you take the right medicines, you can get vaccinated 184 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: for almost every STD minus whoamydia, gone rhea and hepatitis 185 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: C and uh, what is it? And well you you 186 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: can you can take a pill to prevent HIV. Actually, 187 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 3: as long as you're not sharing needles with somebody, you 188 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: can take a pill day in and day out. And 189 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: I've been on that pill this whole time. 190 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: So okay, you've been on It's so. So things are okay. 191 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: Now. 192 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: You haven't caught in any serious diseases, you haven't lost 193 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: your job, you still have a nice place, you're still 194 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: saving enough, it's not destroying you financially. But in your 195 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: mind you're aware of the fact that this is not 196 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: going to be sustainable forever, and that if you don't 197 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: fix the issue now, you know that you're gonna wind 198 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: up into some trouble later. 199 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 3: Correct. 200 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So what if anything, what if anything have 201 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: you done to try to mitigate this or to try 202 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:16,119 Speaker 1: to fix this issue. It's okay if the answer is nothing. 203 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: Not necessarily nothing. I've tried to bury myself in work 204 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: so I have less less time to be alone with 205 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: my thoughts. Yeah, but all that does is make things 206 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 3: worse because then I have more disposable income. 207 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about this real quick. Let's talk about 208 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: this real quick. I'm sorry to cut you off, but 209 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: it sounds like and I'm not a real therapist. I'm 210 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: playing armchair therapy here, but I'm just kind of, you know, 211 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: going with you about what I'm observing is like, you know, 212 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: when you're like addicted to shit and you're looking for 213 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: things to take away from your thoughts. It's like, well, Okay, 214 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: I was into weed, and I was into crystal meth 215 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: and all these things to like get away, and now 216 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: prostitutes is my thing to get away from my thoughts. 217 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: And now I'm gonna, you know, dive really deep into 218 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: my work to get away from prostitutes. Uh, to not 219 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: be just just it's it's all of it becomes this 220 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: way to get away from as you keep bringing up 221 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: being alone with your own thoughts and uh, it's it's 222 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: like a game of fucking whack a mole or something 223 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: where you're just keeping substituting various things to get away 224 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: from your own thoughts, which is a natural thing to do. 225 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: I don't you know, you know, you don't have to, 226 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: You don't have to be a crystal meth addict to be, 227 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, getting away from your thoughts. I think getting 228 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: away from your your your thoughts is something that everyone 229 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: tries to do, and I think there are very pious, 230 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: healthy slash unhealthy ways of doing it. But yo, let's 231 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: explore this for a second. What about your thoughts is 232 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: so terrible that you need to get away from them 233 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: so badly? 234 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: Damn, I haven't even thought about that and so long. 235 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 3: If I were to be honest, I guess I sit 236 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: there and replay specific events in my life that have 237 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: negatively impacted me. Specifically, when I was real young, when 238 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: bitcoin was first coming around, I really wanted to invest 239 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: I had about three thousand dollars I wanted to invest 240 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: in in bitcoin, way back when my family was like no, no, no, 241 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 3: save that for college, save that for college. I went 242 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: to college and I dropped out almost immediately. I went 243 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: to two semesters. I spent that or I went to 244 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 3: one semester. I spent that three grand on that one semester, 245 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 3: and then I never went back. I got good grades, 246 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 3: I just I didn't have the funds to be able 247 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 3: to facilitate something like that at the time without a 248 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 3: full ride scholarship. I was smart enough and I was 249 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 3: dedicated enough. I just the money wasn't there, and so 250 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: that was something I never pursued. 251 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,479 Speaker 1: So if I can stop you for just a second, 252 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: So in general, these thoughts that you're getting away from, 253 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: would you say, would it be fair to say that 254 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: a lot of these thoughts that you're trying to get 255 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: away from are comprised of ruminations on past mistakes, and 256 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: that those ruminations are painful for you? 257 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 3: I would say a vast majority of it would be okay. 258 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 3: And it doesn't have to be a major mistake either, right, Like, 259 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 3: even if it's something as minor, as like I fucked 260 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: up putting a one instead of a two in this 261 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 3: place when I was doing you know, when I when 262 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: I was filling out a piece of paperwork, you know, 263 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: like even the. 264 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: Most but but the right right, right, and and and 265 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: and you know, forget about the degree of the mistakes, 266 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: but just in general mistakes, ways that you fucked up 267 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, you know, be they writing your name, 268 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: misspelling your name on a fucking tax form, or you know, 269 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: ruining a relationship or whatever it is. It's just ruminations 270 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: on mistakes that you've made, right, Okay. So this is 271 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: a long, complicated, real therapy question here, and I don't 272 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: know if you have an answer for it, but let's 273 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: talk about it. Why are you having such a hard 274 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: time letting this shit go? Why can't you just let 275 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: it go? 276 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 3: Ah? 277 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: Why is it? 278 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 3: Because if if I had made the big one that 279 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: stems from it, is if I had made that one 280 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: little decision when I was real young, when I was 281 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: like thirteen, fourteen years old, okay, I would be so 282 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: well off right now, all right, I'd be living like 283 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, and I wouldn't have to work for anything. 284 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: I'd be, you know, thirty retired, traveling around the world 285 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: doing whatever I wanted day in and day out. And 286 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 3: I would still have, you know, I'd be able to 287 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: do basically whatever I want, live like a rapper essentially 288 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: what society? 289 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: Jerry, do you really believe that you believe that society 290 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: wants you to live like a rapper? Yeah? 291 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: No, I don't, but you know that that's you know, 292 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: you would be James Bond if you wanted to, if 293 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: you just had enough money, right, like that's what society. 294 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: Jay Jerry, Jerry, I have a few things to say. Yeah, 295 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: you can't, especially if it's something when you are thirteen. 296 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: You can't let regret like regret like your regret is 297 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: it is completely fucking you. Right now, You're like, it's 298 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: just completely fucking you. Your regret is like tunnel visioning 299 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: you away from all the infinite possibilities of the universe 300 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: that you could be pursuing if you weren't focused on 301 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: the regret. Know, I think I think you could benefit 302 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: from instead of thinking about what you don't have as 303 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: a result of you know, decisions that you you you 304 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: made that that maybe didn't work out. You know, you 305 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: could think about all everything you have now, right. I mean, 306 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: you told me that you were on the street. You 307 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: told me that you were under a bridge smoking crystal math. 308 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: Is that true? You're under a bridge smoking crystal math? 309 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, a little over three years ago. 310 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you were under you were under a bridge 311 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: smoking crystal math. And now you have a job that 312 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: gives you six figures, and you have an apartment, you 313 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: have a you have such a great you're working off 314 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: of such a great base. You're working off of such 315 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: a great base for your life and instead of you know, 316 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: appreciating the position that you're currently in and and ideating 317 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: on what you can do now from here, from where 318 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: you actually are, like living in reality which is great reality, 319 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: You don't live in it. You live in a great reality. 320 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: Like how often do you really think about that you 321 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: live in a great reality? You have a great base 322 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: to work off of, and to sit there and regret 323 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: that you didn't make the right decision when you were 324 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: fourteen and that you know you're not living like a 325 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: ramper now, it's such a such a mistake, Jared, It's 326 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: such a mistake. Yeah, And you could if you like, 327 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: shifted your perspective to be thinking about instead of what 328 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: you don't have, what you do have and how you 329 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: can work off of that, you you could just be 330 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: so much more excited about life and so much more 331 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: excited about the future. And I, I guess, I don't know. 332 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: I want I like to see, uh, think about that 333 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: more instead of thinking about what you don't have, because 334 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: you have such a great base off of which to work. 335 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 3: Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm very grateful for what 336 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: I do have, and I've worked very hard to get myself. 337 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: So just so just give it up, man, give give 338 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how, I don't know. I 339 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: don't know how best to tell you this or how 340 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: best to and it's an easier you know, I'm I'm 341 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: sitting here from an outside perspective, and everything's always easier 342 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: said than done. But I mean, fuck, fuck, Jerry, just 343 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: give it up, man, give up the part. What are 344 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: you doing, you know, being so upset about the past 345 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: and what could have been? You know, I've had times 346 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: in my life where I've I've regretted decisions that I 347 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: that I you know, could have made that would have, 348 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, set me off better financially or set me off, 349 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: you know, better in my career, in my life. But 350 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: what the fuck is there possibly to be gained in 351 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: doing that? So, I mean, I don't know how to 352 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: better tell you this than just just to give it up. 353 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: You know, what are you what are you holding on 354 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: to it for? It's serving you? It's literally just serving 355 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: you no purpose? 356 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, completely right. 357 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: And so if you gave it up and then all 358 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden you made you alone with your thoughts 359 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: to be an exciting place, you know, if your thoughts 360 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: were optimistic. If your thoughts were you know, exciting to you, 361 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: and you actually liked your thoughts, maybe it wouldn't suck 362 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: so much to be alone with them, and then that 363 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: would have a ripple effect, and then you wouldn't you know, 364 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: wanna wanna you know, lose yourself and prostitutes or or 365 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: in work, or in or in whatever it is. You know, 366 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: if you made your thoughts a better place to be, 367 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: and I think making your thoughts a better place to be, 368 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: We'll begin with you, you know, giving up any regrets 369 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: of the past, because you really need to look at 370 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: them in the face and understand just how little they 371 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: are serving you and just how much they are holding 372 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: you back, and how much you know you're you're making 373 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: it worse by by carrying all that shit around instead 374 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: of you know, operating off of the base that you 375 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: that you currently have, which is a really great one, 376 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: you know. And I hope that after this conversation that 377 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: you feel compelled to do all of those things and 378 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: that you you know, change your mind to be more excited, 379 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: because I think that'll unlock a lot for you, because 380 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: if you were able to get yourself, if you're you know, 381 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: you know what you're telling me is is really is 382 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: your story, and that you were you know, went from 383 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: fucking being homeless, smoking methander or bridge to uh, you know, 384 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: having a job with six figures and living in a 385 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: nice place. Then you know, I know that I know 386 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: about you from that that you can really do some shit. 387 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: You know, you really have the power to make great 388 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: changes in your life. You've done it before, and you 389 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: really have the power to you know, take hold of 390 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: yourself and you know, drag yourself in the direction that 391 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: you want to. You've done it before. You did an 392 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: amazing thing you really did by doing that, And so 393 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: if you've picked yourself up before, I think you can 394 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: do it again. But before you do that, you have 395 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: to let go of all the shit that's that's holding 396 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: you back from the past. 397 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're right. I appreciate that. Man. Some I 398 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 3: guess sometimes you really need an outside perspective to really 399 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 3: put your thoughts in place, you know, because this is 400 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: something I've been dwelling on for months and months and months, 401 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 3: and it's not necessarily driven me to insanity, but I mean, 402 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 3: you know, the definition of insanity at the end of 403 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: the day, it's doing the same thing over and over 404 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 3: again and expecting different results. 405 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: Right, Jerry, I wish you good luck and I hope 406 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: that you're able to, you know, let all of these things. 407 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: And I I think you have a track record of 408 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: being able to help yourself pretty well, and I think 409 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: that that will continue, and I think that you'll be 410 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: able to find yourself in a good place if you 411 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: can give up you know, the regrets you have in 412 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: the past. Is there anything else that you want to 413 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: say to the people of the computer before we go, 414 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: or you know, any aspect of this that you wanted 415 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: to clear up before we go? 416 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 417 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Man, if you are out there struggling with additions 418 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: and you're one of the few people, or you're one 419 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: of the people millions around the world that are struggling 420 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: with addictions, don't be afraid to ask for help and 421 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: to try and pull yourself out of that position. It'll 422 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 3: be one of the best decisions you've ever made. I 423 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 3: might be struggling with my addiction again now, but there 424 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: was a time where I was more healthy than I 425 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 3: am now, and that's okay. Being sick is okay if 426 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 3: you're struggling. But the first thing you need to do 427 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: is finally be able to realize what I'm doing is 428 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 3: unhealthy and how do I fix it, and to talk 429 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: to other people, those of you who are struggling out there, 430 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 3: considered going to twelve Steps. I've been through it, and 431 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: I've been away from it for so long, and I 432 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 3: think that's another reason that I've started to lead my 433 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: unhealthy life again. And I just want to say thank 434 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: you for listening, and I appreciate it. 435 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing Jerry. You know, it takes a 436 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: lot to you know, be open and honest on a 437 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: public forum, so we appreciate it, and I'm sure people 438 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: listening appreciate it. Thank you for calling man. 439 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a good life. 440 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: Take care brother. You know it's interesting every time, you know, 441 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: I get into something like this, I always think about 442 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: how it's manifesting in my own life, and I'm thinking about, like, 443 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think the best mindset, you know, you 444 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: could really have is is like, Okay, what now? What 445 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: can I do with? Like, like, what can I do 446 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: with where I'm at now? You know what? Now is 447 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: a great mindset to have because it's not stuck in 448 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: the past, not stuck on some shit that you can't control. 449 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: It's a very high locus of control mindset, and you 450 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: don't thinking about how that's manifesting in my own life, 451 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: and talking to Joey kind of made me think about, 452 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: like how I can better center myself and collect myself 453 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: with an energy of you know, what have I got 454 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: right now? And how is it better than you know, 455 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: maybe where I was in the past, and how can 456 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: I work off of that foundation. So I'm going to 457 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: think about that myself. I'm going to think about that myself. 458 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: Thank you again Jerry for sharing. Hello. Hello, what's going on? 459 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 4: By name is Sarah. I'm from Germany, twenty four years old. 460 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 4: I'm a dentist, actually becoming a dentist in February. 461 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: Sarah, what's going on with you? How's life? 462 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 4: The problem is my boyfriend is a YouTuber. He has 463 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 4: he has multiple channels going on. He has over five million. 464 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 5: Subscribers, and he've made. 465 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 4: A lot of money till today. The problem is, since 466 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 4: two weeks he've started to think about YouTube automation and 467 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 4: like going out there, putting himself out there, presenting himself 468 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 4: in order to like coach people, you know, like like 469 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 4: give courses online or like networking, meeting up with people. 470 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 4: But this is something that I'm totally against it. I 471 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 4: don't believe that a man should be presenting himself on 472 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 4: Instagram at first place. And yeah, like he already made 473 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 4: a lot of money. I don't I don't see any 474 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 4: reason for him. 475 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: To do that. 476 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 4: And I basically think that like he's seeking the attention 477 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 4: and I'm not someone that's that's gonna cope with him, 478 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 4: like that's gonna cope with like the whole situation, you know. 479 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so let me let me I'm having a bit 480 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: of a hard time understanding this, so let me kind 481 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: of get this straight here. So your boyfriend is a YouTuber. 482 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: What kind of videos does he make? 483 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 4: Exactly? He makes like true crime videos, like extreme videos, 484 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 4: this kind of thing. But his main focus is on 485 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 4: true crime. 486 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: Okay. So your boy from extrue crime videos on YouTube 487 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: and he is teaching YouTube automation courses. What is that. 488 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 4: He wants to do that YouTube automation basically means YouTube coaching, 489 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 4: like for example, for people who are starting a channel, 490 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 4: how you should work on a channel and this kind 491 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 4: of stuff. 492 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: Okay, So he wants to be a YouTube coach? Okay, 493 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: and exactly where where lies in your problem with this. 494 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 4: In order for him to do that, he needs to 495 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 4: present himself on Instagram to show that he's successful, to 496 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 4: show that he's made a lot of money with YouTube. 497 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 4: And I don't really think that this is necessary, you know, 498 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 4: because like I'm also making a lot of money, and 499 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 4: I think we can have a great life together in 500 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 4: the age of twenty four and there is like no 501 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 4: need for that. But we had like serious problems about 502 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 4: him wanting to do that. So I don't know if 503 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 4: I'm selfish not wanting him to do that, or or 504 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 4: I just should I just should be coping with it. 505 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: I guess I'm having a really hard time understanding why 506 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: exactly you're upset by your boyfriend presenting himself in a 507 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: certain way on Instagram to uh, you know, show that 508 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: he is qualified to coach other people on YouTube. 509 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 5: Let me put it this way, in order for people 510 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 5: to buy his courses, he needs to, for example, post 511 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 5: picture with a lot of amazing cars, get get in 512 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 5: touch with like a lot of women out there. And 513 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 5: I think this is this is this is my biggest issue, 514 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 5: you know, Like I love myself, I am confident, but 515 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 5: I just I just don't think that's just this is needed. 516 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 5: Like we are together since two years, We've been traveling 517 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 5: the whole two years. If I'm being honest with you, 518 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 5: and I love the freedom that we have. And if 519 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 5: he ever starts doing that, he would be restricted to 520 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 5: stay somewhere to coach people, and he wouldn't be having 521 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 5: the freedom that we have now. But I've done everything 522 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 5: in my life in order to have this freedom, you know. 523 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so wouldn't if he was coaching people on YouTube, 524 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't he be coaching people remotely? 525 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 4: Sorry, I didn't understand you. 526 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: If he was coaching people on YouTube, wouldn't he be 527 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: coaching them remotely? 528 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 4: And he would he would need to meet up with 529 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 4: them and also get in calls with them, like weekly, 530 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 4: for example, five times a week, you know, and he 531 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 4: also needs to meet up with them. So we wouldn't 532 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 4: be able to travel all around the world. For example, 533 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 4: I'm from Germany, he's from United Kingdom, and you know, 534 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 4: like it's gonna be it's gonna be a little tough 535 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 4: to manage that. 536 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: Okay, where are you guys at currently? Are you in Germany? 537 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: Both of you guys? 538 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 4: We are If we are currently in Germany, I'm I'm Vorking. 539 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 4: I'm working with my cousin in Germany, so he's actually 540 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 4: in my city now, but we are in a hotel 541 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 4: and like as he always do. But whatever, if he 542 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 4: ever starts doing what he want to do, we would 543 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 4: be restricted to either be separated or me leaving my 544 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 4: life behind completely and move to the United Kingdom. 545 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so listen, I'm not going to tell you whether 546 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: or you should break up with your boyfriend, obviously, but 547 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: if your boyfriend has something I think you know, everyone 548 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: has different everyone has different philosophies on relationship. You know, 549 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: some people believe that if you really want to make 550 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: relationship work, you you sacrifice things that you want to 551 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: do to make the other person happy and to make 552 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: the relationship work. And other people believe that, you know, 553 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: you should do what it is that you want to 554 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: do with your life and ideally find a relationship where 555 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: the relationship works around the people's lives, not the people's 556 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: lives working around the relationship. And you know, I'm not 557 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: going to say which of those two schools of thought 558 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: is better, because that's a subjective thing. 559 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 4: I know, I appreciate that, but I would I would 560 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 4: love to know from your side of you. Is it 561 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 4: toxic from me not wanting him to do that? 562 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: I think ideally, if you really love this guy, I'll 563 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: get sure you know it's it's a subjective thing, and 564 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: I will give you my subjective opinion. If you really 565 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: love this guy and you really want him to be 566 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: happy and to live his best life, I think that 567 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: you should encourage him to do whatever it is he 568 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: wants to do in his business. Now you are claiming 569 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: that if you were to stay in this relationship. You 570 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: are claiming that you like your freedom and that you 571 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: want to be able to travel, yeah, and do all 572 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: these things. And your feeling as though if your boyfriends 573 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,479 Speaker 1: were to take on this new endeavor and you wanted 574 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: to stay with him, it would prevent you from doing 575 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: what you want to do. And listen, if your boyfriend 576 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: really loves you, he would want you to not feel 577 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: restricted and to want to do whatever you want to do. 578 00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: And if there is a point of ten there where 579 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: both of you guys pursuing what you want to do 580 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: would be incompatible with you guys being in a relationship together, 581 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: you know that's something to really think about. Yeah, right, 582 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: because that would be the school of thought of you know, 583 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: wanting to have a relationship that works around your life 584 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: as opposed to a life that works around a relationship. 585 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: And if you're asking me again, I don't think that 586 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: either one is the right one. If you're asking me 587 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: my personal philosophy, I definitely think that two people's lives. 588 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: Relationships should work around people's lives as opposed to people's 589 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: lives working around relationships. That's how I feel. And so 590 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: if you feel as though the life that you want 591 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: to live is incompatible in this relationship, that's something to 592 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: think about and you know, make a decision according to 593 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: where those thoughts guide you. If that makes any sense. 594 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 1: Did that make sense? 595 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 4: True? It's does, it does. It's just it's just pretty 596 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 4: difficult to me, because like I don't want to be toxic, 597 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 4: but I also like you. If I'm being completely honest 598 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 4: with you and just like completely close my eyes on 599 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 4: the YouTube thing. I also don't see a reason for 600 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 4: a man be be just on Instagram if I'm being 601 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 4: honest with you, Like, I do believe that like men 602 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 4: out there shouldn't be on Instagram the way the way 603 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 4: my dad isn't, you know, Like, like I'm basically from Iran, 604 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 4: I'm living in Germany, science twelve years and I just 605 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 4: have I just have like other values. 606 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: You know, Okay, listen here, here's here's what I think 607 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: about the question of are you toxic for not wanting 608 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: your boyfriend to be on Instagram. I think if you 609 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: have certain value listen, have whatever values you're gonna have. 610 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: I don't think it's toxic to have. I don't think 611 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: it's toxic to have certain values. But at a certain point, 612 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: I don't think it's ideal for you to be enforcing 613 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: your personal values on other people. Right, So if you don't, 614 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: if you have values that are like I don't want 615 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: my boyfriend to be on Instagram, you know, then go 616 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: find yourself a boyfriend who is not on Instagram, right, 617 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: don't find a guy who is on Instagram and try 618 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: to convince them to get off. 619 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 4: I mean, he wasn't on Instagram. I mean, and I 620 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 4: got to know him. He had a private page. I mean, 621 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 4: he still do have a private page. Nobody knows him. 622 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,399 Speaker 4: He never shows his face, and like these things are 623 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 4: coming up, finds like a week which is caused by 624 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 4: a friend of him who mentioned all of this stuff, 625 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 4: like for to reach his goals, to make her own 626 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 4: three hundred K a month and blah blah blah blah blah, 627 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 4: which we do not really need because we're both making money. 628 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 4: Like I work and I'm also dentists. He's already been working, 629 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 4: he has savings, you know, like I just it just 630 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 4: doesn't make sense to me in the end of the day. 631 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: You know, well, Sarah, I I'll say this before we go. 632 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: I think it's okay for you to have certain values, 633 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: whatever they are, right. You know, I would never tell 634 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: you how to think or what to feel. But I 635 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: think that, like I said, having values and having values 636 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: and imposing values upon others are two different things. And 637 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: I think when you start to impose your values onto 638 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: other people and try to dictate other people to live 639 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: by your values is when it becomes a problem. And 640 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: so I think you should if And also I think 641 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: people change, right, So maybe when you got into this 642 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 1: relationship with this guy, you guys had similar values and 643 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,280 Speaker 1: then as time went on, your value started to shift. 644 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: And I don't think that that's a horrible tragic thing, 645 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: but you guys should, you know, have an open and 646 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: honest conversation about what it is that you value and 647 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: see if you're still on the right track. And if 648 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: you're seeing a lot of dissonance in each other's values 649 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: and you're seeing that your lives are no longer compatible 650 00:43:53,200 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: with this relationship, then you know you should you should 651 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: think about that. That's what I'll say about this. 652 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 4: True that that makes sense, I guess. I guess I 653 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 4: just need to have a like more clear conversation with 654 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 4: him and just and just tell him how I feel 655 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 4: about it all and if it would work or or 656 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 4: or if not right and. 657 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: To that degree. And I'll uh to that degree. Like, 658 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't change him. You can't when you're 659 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: asking it's a toxic. You can't force him to not 660 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: have an Instagram. You can't. You can't. You can't force 661 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: him theme Instagram. You can't dictate how he's going to act, 662 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: But you can look at how he is and how 663 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: he's acting and what he's choices he's deciding to make 664 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: in life and decide for yourself that those choices and 665 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: whatnot don't align with your values, and then make the 666 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: decision to terminate the relationship. That's within your control, right, 667 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: that's you controlling your own actions. But you can't impose 668 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:08,720 Speaker 1: your values upon to him. That's what I'll say. You're right, Sarah. 669 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the 670 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go, or any other 671 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 1: aspect of this that you wanted to talk about. 672 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 4: No, I'm really grateful for your advices, and I will 673 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 4: be thinking about him, and. 674 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 5: For sure I will talk to him about it. 675 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: Well. 676 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Thank you so much for your time. 677 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,240 Speaker 4: I enjoyed my time also a lot awesome. 678 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for calling Sarah. 679 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 4: Ah bye bye bye. 680 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: There's an interesting one because uh, you know, I don't know. 681 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: I guess I could just reiterate what I said, which 682 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: is like, you know, look, if you okay, if you 683 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: have a certain I don't really care what people believe. 684 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: I really don't. I don't care if people want to 685 00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: believe things that I think are unreasonable. I kind of don't. 686 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: I really do feel like people should be entitled to 687 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: believe or value whatever they want, even if it's like, 688 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: by my opinion, crazy or unreasonable. People can value whatever 689 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: they want in life. Again, the chief issue becomes when 690 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,240 Speaker 1: they try to impose their values upon others. That's where 691 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: like a lot of I'm gonna get whatever here, but 692 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 1: That's where like human conflict comes into play, right, Like 693 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,359 Speaker 1: there's a there's a general belief I think that most 694 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: people have that you can do and think and say 695 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,240 Speaker 1: and feel however it is you want in this world, 696 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: as long as you are not affecting other people or 697 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: imposing that upon other people. And you know, I hope, 698 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,439 Speaker 1: I hope that Sarah makes the right decision that that 699 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, results in the maximum happiness for both her 700 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:05,280 Speaker 1: and her her boyfriend. Hi am I live. We're alive. 701 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 1: Oh hello, Katie? What's going on with you? How can 702 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: I get you today? Hi? 703 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 2: I am calling because I have this. I have this 704 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,840 Speaker 2: weird thing. I mean, I don't know if it's weird, 705 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 2: but I am obsessed with nine to eleven. And it's 706 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,800 Speaker 2: not like an ironic thing. I genuinely am like super 707 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 2: interested in it. But people in my life think I'm 708 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 2: making a joke of it, and I'm completely serious. I 709 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,400 Speaker 2: got an issue of The New York Post from September 710 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,399 Speaker 2: twelfth for Christmas, and I am dead serious about it. 711 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 2: I know everything there is to know any trivia, I 712 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 2: know the answer, and people think that I am being 713 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 2: ironic and I'm not. 714 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,280 Speaker 1: You got a copy of the New York Post for Christmas? 715 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: What was like like it was a copy of the 716 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: New York Post, like on nine to eleven. 717 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,720 Speaker 2: It's from September twelve, says active war World Trade Center 718 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 2: destroyed many dead. It's from September and twelfth, September twelfth. 719 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,320 Speaker 1: Yes, who gave it to you? 720 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 2: My boyfriend? 721 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: So your boyfriend? Oh oh go ahead? Oh no. 722 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 2: A lot of people think I'm being like silly about 723 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 2: it and I'm making a joke of it, and I seriously, 724 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 2: it's like a serious interest for me. 725 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,400 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, an obsession with nine to eleven. It 726 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: sounds pretty similar to like, you know, people's obsessions with 727 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,399 Speaker 1: World War II history and the Civil War and other 728 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: kinds of macabre events. I think the difference between that 729 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: and yours is simply that, uh, you know, nine to 730 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 1: eleven is more recent. But I mean people have had 731 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: obsessions with, you know, tragic historical events, you know, forever. 732 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: People get so obsessed with them that they write books 733 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: about them and become historians. 734 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 2: And I've read all of those books. Just to be clear, 735 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 2: I've read like every book there has been written about 736 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,879 Speaker 2: nine to eleven. And I was also alive for it. 737 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 2: And I remember it. 738 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: So, so you think people think that you're just like 739 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: reading books about nine to eleven as a joke. 740 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, they think I'm being like. 741 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,759 Speaker 5: Passee about it. 742 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,880 Speaker 2: I think they think that I am like making a 743 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:49,720 Speaker 2: meme of it. 744 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: That would be this. This would be a lot of 745 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: research and investigation for a. 746 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:02,879 Speaker 2: Meme, yeah exactly. And I think that I don't know, 747 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,720 Speaker 2: like because it has become kind of like an ironic thing, 748 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,960 Speaker 2: especially in the wake of like post ironic like meme 749 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 2: culture and all. 750 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 1: True, it's been a little memified. 751 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,839 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. But like I have been interested in this 752 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 2: for a long time, and I think, I don't know, 753 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 2: people have kind of come at me about it like 754 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 2: that I'm being insensitive. So I don't really know how 755 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 2: to navigate my interest in it with the kind of 756 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,799 Speaker 2: modern culture of the interest and the kind of meme shit. 757 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:45,799 Speaker 2: You know. 758 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,799 Speaker 1: I had a phase for a little bit every now 759 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,239 Speaker 1: and then where I've become obsessed with. 760 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:56,240 Speaker 2: Columbine Yes, been there, oh yeah. 761 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: Or like shootings and stuff. I think everyone has that 762 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,879 Speaker 1: like this, this this I don't know where it comes from. 763 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,320 Speaker 2: This dark like the morbid curiosity, yes. 764 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: The morbid people. The more of a curiosities. What was 765 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,280 Speaker 1: I going to say here? Uh? Why why nine eleven? 766 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,240 Speaker 1: Why are you so obsessed with nine to eleven? 767 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 2: Because nine to eleven changed the trajectory of history forever. 768 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 2: I think that nine to eleven was this like huge 769 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 2: point in modern history where like nothing will ever be 770 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:42,799 Speaker 2: the same again. And I think about like I mean, 771 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,880 Speaker 2: I think a lot of my interests, it's not just 772 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 2: about the day, it's about like the effects that home 773 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 2: where I live. I live in Dallas, Texas. 774 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: A lot of it is about who are you with? 775 00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 2: I live in Dallas, Texas. 776 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: Nod who are you with? 777 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm with my friend. 778 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: Okay. Somebody in the chat said, this isn't funny, And 779 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 1: it's funny. It's you are getting where it's comes from exactly. 780 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,960 Speaker 1: Not not a single neither of us have been trying 781 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: to be funny. And yet yeah, well I've just experienced 782 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: firsthand what you're talking about. And yet people think that 783 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,359 Speaker 1: you're trying to be funny, which is you know, it's 784 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,919 Speaker 1: just fucked up with them, right. 785 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,600 Speaker 2: I think that probably the people who are saying that 786 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 2: weren't alive for it. 787 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm tell me this, tell me this, tell me this. Yeah, 788 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,200 Speaker 1: was nine to eleven and inside job? 789 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 2: No, okay, So this is a very loaded question, and 790 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,920 Speaker 2: it's when I get a lot because my exception, my 791 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 2: obsession with it kind of warrants the question. I believe 792 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 2: that nine to eleven was an act of negligence on 793 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 2: the part of the US government. I think that the 794 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety what was it, nineteen ninety two attack on 795 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 2: the World Trade Center was a huge foreshadowing. I think 796 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,600 Speaker 2: that it wasn't on part of George Bush, but I 797 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 2: think that it was very much preventable. So that's my 798 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:19,279 Speaker 2: opinion on it. 799 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: Do you think the negligence was intentional? 800 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I think I think. 801 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,719 Speaker 1: That we se sorry so, But would intentional negligence be 802 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 1: and didn't make it an inside job? 803 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,239 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think that it was just 804 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,879 Speaker 2: because we felt invincible as a government. I think that 805 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:51,040 Speaker 2: our country felt our government and our political system felt invincible, 806 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 2: and we felt like it was a minor threat when 807 00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 2: in reality there were like so many red flags. But 808 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:07,839 Speaker 2: I digress is your friend. 809 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: Is your friend? Uh uh? Into nine to eleven? 810 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 2: She supports me in my interest. Yes, I was just 811 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,359 Speaker 2: showing her my New York Post issue that I got 812 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 2: for Christmas, so she's she's down with it. It's mainly 813 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 2: just kind of side characters in my life who think 814 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,759 Speaker 2: that I'm making a joke out of it. 815 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,840 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, look, it is a little bit funny 816 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,880 Speaker 1: that your boyfriend gave you a newspaper about nine to 817 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,400 Speaker 1: eleven for Christmas. 818 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,000 Speaker 2: Well, you know, he he gets me. What can I say, 819 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:47,359 Speaker 2: kind of. 820 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:53,400 Speaker 1: Kind of romantic, kind of romantic, Yeah, in a in 821 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,479 Speaker 1: a weird way. 822 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 823 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,400 Speaker 1: He loves you so much, he accepts your interests so much. 824 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he you know, it took a lot of 825 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 2: work to get him to understand because it was like 826 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,320 Speaker 2: everyone else like he good. Well yeah, I mean it 827 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 2: took a lot of work to get him to understand 828 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,360 Speaker 2: that it was not this ironic thing. 829 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: So did he Uh how much did that cost? I 830 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 1: feel like that would be kind of worth a lot. 831 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 2: I have no idea, but it's definitely an original copy. 832 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 2: He said he got it from eBay. It smells old. 833 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,239 Speaker 1: There's some fucking guy on eBay just like making a 834 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,600 Speaker 1: killing off of like selling and trading nine to eleven 835 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,439 Speaker 1: themed memorabilia. 836 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,520 Speaker 2: I mean, as he should. There's there's a market for it, 837 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:59,040 Speaker 2: and it's me. I mean, I don't know. Apparently apparently, yeah, 838 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 2: but it's unfortunate that people think I'm making a joke 839 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:11,200 Speaker 2: out of it. So that's that's my problem. I'm not laughing. 840 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,800 Speaker 1: Does any part of you hope that there's a second 841 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 1: nine to eleven so that you have things to read about? 842 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,759 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I am a pacifist, I do not. I mean, 843 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:33,719 Speaker 2: I know, okay, I I have a level of empathy 844 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:40,359 Speaker 2: with the position that, uh, you know, I don't want 845 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,640 Speaker 2: to get too into it, but I have a position 846 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 2: of empathy about why it happened. But I do not 847 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,440 Speaker 2: ever wish violence on anybody. So that's where I stand 848 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,319 Speaker 2: on that. I just hope people can appreciate my perspective 849 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 2: and my interest without thinking that I'm being uh, you know, 850 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 2: passive and U silly about it. 851 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:24,120 Speaker 1: Well, good, good, all right. Final question, do you think 852 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: there will be another nine to eleven. 853 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 2: In the near future? I don't think so. I mean, 854 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 2: I guess that question boils down to what would the 855 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 2: equivalent be. I don't know how to answer that, but 856 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 2: as of right now, I mean, the war is technically over, 857 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, but obviously there's all this other conflicts, 858 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,960 Speaker 2: so I can't predict that, but I don't think so 859 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,800 Speaker 2: in the near future, so I don't know. 860 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,880 Speaker 1: I would know crazy if there was another nine to 861 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: eleven and it happened on nine to eleven. I'm not 862 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: a big conspiracy theory guy, but if that happened, I 863 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 1: would probably start to dig into it. 864 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,520 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean that would be iconic. I can't lie. 865 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,440 Speaker 2: I mean not in a good way, but not in 866 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:25,120 Speaker 2: a good way. 867 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,920 Speaker 1: But you know, no, well we can end on that. Katie, 868 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,440 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for calling. Is there anything else 869 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:32,720 Speaker 1: you want to say to the people of the computer 870 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:33,280 Speaker 1: before we go? 871 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,320 Speaker 2: No, I just want to say that it's a serious 872 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,120 Speaker 2: interest and I know everything there is to know. I 873 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,800 Speaker 2: feel I believe, and yeah, I don't think it's an 874 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,320 Speaker 2: inside job. I think it's an act of negligence. So 875 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:49,360 Speaker 2: that's all I have to say. 876 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for calling, Katie. 877 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 2: Thank you. 878 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,920 Speaker 1: I mean it would be kind of iconic. It goes 879 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: on the line, thank you. So every night everything kept 880 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,080 Speaker 1: goes to and to right of teaching. 881 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,360 Speaker 3: New Houses of your life. 882 00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,600 Speaker 1: But he's not really an expert