Speaker 1: Now I want to get to a story that caught
Speaker 1: my attention this past weekend, and that's the class between
Speaker 1: olympian Simone Biles and Raleigh Gaines over the inclusion of
Speaker 1: transgender athletes in women's sports. Gaines is a former NCAA
Speaker 1: swimmer turned conservative pundit who joined a lawsuit against the
Speaker 1: NCAA in March of twenty twenty four. The suit for
Speaker 1: more than a dozen athletes accused the NCAA of violating
Speaker 1: their Title nine rights while allowing transgender swimmer Leah Thomas
Speaker 1: to compete at the national championships in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: Gaines and Thomas tied for fifth, but only Thomas was
Speaker 1: awarded the fifth place trophy for the two hundred yard freestyle.
Speaker 1: Fast forward to last week, where Gaines spoke out against
Speaker 1: another transgender athlete. Gaines targeted a Minnesota state high school
Speaker 1: league for not allowing comments on their post about the
Speaker 1: Chaplain Park girls team celebrating the state championships. Chaplin Park's
Speaker 1: team includes a trans athlete, that prompted Simon Biles to
Speaker 1: post this about Gains quote, You're truly sick all of
Speaker 1: this campaigning because you lost the race, straight up sore loser.
Speaker 1: You should be uplifting the trans community and perhaps finding
Speaker 1: a way to make sports inclusive, or creating a new
Speaker 1: avenue where trans people feel safe in sports. Instead you
Speaker 1: bully them. One thing's for sure is no one in
Speaker 1: sports is safe with you around end quote. Gains responded
Speaker 1: to Biles in follow up posts, saying the seven time
Speaker 1: gold medalist stance on transgender athletes was disappointing and labeled
Speaker 1: her a quote male apologist at the expense of young
Speaker 1: girl's dreams end quote. Then she went here, bringing in
Speaker 1: Larry Nasser, a former national team doctor who sexually abused
Speaker 1: a multiple US gymnasts, including Biles, under the guise of
Speaker 1: medical treatment. She wrote, quote all the horrific sexual abuse
Speaker 1: Simon Biles witnessed and spoke out against caused by one
Speaker 1: man believes women should be forced to strip naked in
Speaker 1: front of men to validate the man's feelings. You know
Speaker 1: how many gold medals you'd have if your inclusive dream
Speaker 1: came true? Zero? End quote, respectfully, Gains, I was with
Speaker 1: you until that last quote. Respectfully, that's going a bit
Speaker 1: too far. Talking about transgender women competing in sports is
Speaker 1: one issue. Using a guy like Larry Nasser, one of
Speaker 1: the most despicable human beings we've ever witnessed on this earth,
Speaker 1: who molested and abused numerous women, numerous gymnasts, including Biles,
Speaker 1: And to go that low gains you lost all credibility.
Speaker 1: You could have made your argument without going that far.
Speaker 1: No matter what Simone Biles said to you, how she
Speaker 1: may disagree with you on your position, did not warrant
Speaker 1: you to go that far. Certainly you're not suggesting that
Speaker 1: it was okay for her to be molested. Certainly you're
Speaker 1: not suggesting it was okay for her to be abused.
Speaker 1: So why would you say something like that that's just cruel.
Speaker 1: Just because she says something that hurt your feelings didn't
Speaker 1: mean that you had to double down on it by
Speaker 1: being a gazillion times worse, which Riley gains is what
Speaker 1: you are at this particular moment of time. I'm speaking
Speaker 1: specifically about you going that far. Having said that, the
Speaker 1: points that you made to some Biles outside of the
Speaker 1: Larry Nasa comment that shit gives us all cause to pause.
Speaker 1: The reality is is that it is a disservice to
Speaker 1: women in a lot of people's eyes that men transitioning
Speaker 1: to women get to compete in women's sports. Leah Thomas
Speaker 1: was a perfect example. Her highest ranking at the time,
Speaker 1: her highest ranking as a male participant was like five
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty fourth in the world. He transitioned into
Speaker 1: being a woman and it was top ten. That speaks
Speaker 1: for itself. You're born, you got an x Y chromosome.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. It's different, and the reality
Speaker 1: is is that there are an abundance of women out
Speaker 1: there who have a right to feel the way that
Speaker 1: Raleigh Gains feels Simone Biles. Now, whether it's right for
Speaker 1: me or somebody else to say, it's a different argument.
Speaker 1: But in the age that we're living in with Title
Speaker 1: nine in existence, with us being protective of fairness and
Speaker 1: equal rights and equal opportunity to women, to then piggyback
Speaker 1: off of that and follow up on that years later
Speaker 1: by allowing transgender athletes transitioning from male to female to
Speaker 1: compete against women doesn't appear to be fair. And when
Speaker 1: we lean on this argument about fear, fear fear, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, somebody's not talking about your civil liberties. Somebody's
Speaker 1: not talking about equality, somebody's not talking about those things. Living,
Speaker 1: you allowing you to live and let live. They're talking
Speaker 1: about competition in sports, and if you allow somebody to
Speaker 1: compete in swimen, it's not gonna stop you from allowing
Speaker 1: them to compete in boxing. It's not gonna allow you
Speaker 1: to dis allot of competing in other sports. I remember
Speaker 1: years ago when Ronda Ralsei joked about how she when
Speaker 1: she was undefeated before a man, the newness put it
Speaker 1: on her. No disrespect to Ronda Ralsey, but she was
Speaker 1: talking about how she could beat Floyd Money Mayweather. Now
Speaker 1: come on, now we now know what would have happened
Speaker 1: to her. We knew it before, but we certainly knew
Speaker 1: after what we saw on a Manda Nuna's do to
Speaker 1: her and Holly Holmes, by the way, before that, we
Speaker 1: saw that. We know that in most instances, even though
Speaker 1: there are women that could beat some men out there,
Speaker 1: buy and large, the elite women don't deserve to be
Speaker 1: competing against the elite men. And by deserve, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about warranted based on their credentials. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about based on their gender. You shouldn't be competing
Speaker 1: against men. I don't want to see a claricians shields
Speaker 1: in the boxing ring against the Terrence Crawford or Tamorrow
Speaker 1: Charlow or Canilo Alvarez. I don't want to see one
Speaker 1: of these ladies in UFC going up against morob I
Speaker 1: don't want to see them going up against I don't
Speaker 1: want to see somebody going up against John Jones that's
Speaker 1: a female. So when we're talking about it from that premise,
Speaker 1: it's one thing for ladies to look at somebody like
Speaker 1: me or somebody say who are you? It's another thing
Speaker 1: entirely for ladies to be looking at ladies acting like
Speaker 1: ladies don't have a right to feel like there's a
Speaker 1: disadvantage for them if they're going up against a male
Speaker 1: transitioning to female. We can't have it all, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: We can't handle. We can't have it all. In my
Speaker 1: if you ask me my preference, I hope a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of men transitioning to women come out of the woodwork,
Speaker 1: so we can have men going up against men, women
Speaker 1: going up against women, and transgenders going up against transgenders.
Speaker 1: That's fair. But what Riley Gaines is talking about does
Speaker 1: seem a bit unfair, and she has a right to
Speaker 1: express those thoughts without Simon Biles coming at her that
Speaker 1: way just because she lost. She's talking about an unfair advantage,
Speaker 1: and there's no one that can really dispute that if
Speaker 1: you are male transitioning to female, that there is an
Speaker 1: unfair advantage. I don't see women transitioning into men trying
Speaker 1: to compete in men's sports. If it's happened, and I've
Speaker 1: missed it, I've apologized, but I've missed it. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen that. I haven't seen that. Sage still my former
Speaker 1: colleague at ESPN, a conservative pundit, she had her own
Speaker 1: thoughts on this matter, and let's read what she had
Speaker 1: to say here. Easy to say this, Simon Bob, when
Speaker 1: you only had to compete against fellow women, every one
Speaker 1: of your Olympic medals came competing against fellow women. Raleigh
Speaker 1: Gaines was not only forced to compete against a man,
Speaker 1: but forced to share a locker room with a man.
Speaker 1: That is sick, shocked, and disappointed that you'd attack another
Speaker 1: woman who has done nothing but uplift other women. If
Speaker 1: you think it makes sense to create a league for
Speaker 1: trans people, go for it, use that huge platform of yours,
Speaker 1: But to attack Raleigh for what she has done for
Speaker 1: little girls who want to be the next Simone Biles
Speaker 1: is sick. Maybe I would have used the other word
Speaker 1: other than sick or whatever. But it's not like Sage
Speaker 1: Steel is wrong. Based on what she described and the
Speaker 1: facts that we know, Raley Gaines is perfectly within our
Speaker 1: right to have the opinion that she had, as she's
Speaker 1: an American citizen who's using the courts to make her argument,
Speaker 1: which is what we do in our democratics. Whether you
Speaker 1: like it or not, some mobiles, that's just the truth.
Speaker 1: I respect where you're coming from. I respect your passion
Speaker 1: the lookout for those you feel are being victimized by
Speaker 1: a large segment of our population. I understand that. But
Speaker 1: there are a lot of young ladies out there who
Speaker 1: were born women that feel this is a flagrantly unfair advantage.
Speaker 1: What about their feelings? What about theirs?