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Speaker 1: hear me? No, No, for you still at home? It's
Speaker 1: almost knew it. Are you just waking up? I'm a
Speaker 1: grown man. I also don't have classes today, and I
Speaker 1: had a late one last night, and I've actually had
Speaker 1: a week of late once. Oh, finally seeing someone, Teremy,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad. No, I'm not seeing someone. The only
Speaker 1: dates I've had recently are with the library. Oh, Aretty,
Speaker 1: much different there, then. Oh well, I'm sorry to disappoint you.
Speaker 1: I don't need you to day, Jeremy. I just think
Speaker 1: spending time with people your own age might be You know, mom,
Speaker 1: what did I just say about being a grown man? So?
Speaker 1: Is it a book that's keeping you awake? Yeah, something
Speaker 1: like that. It's not the whole thing with your father's dad,
Speaker 1: is it? Because you said that was all resolved? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I said that the police didn't find anything
Speaker 1: else with a badge. I didn't say it was resolved.
Speaker 1: He didn't go and talk to Anne Becker. Did you
Speaker 1: is that she did or not going to talk to
Speaker 1: Anne Becker? Mom, why don't you want me talking to her?
Speaker 1: Instincent history? Jeremy, what is all of that business with
Speaker 1: your father? She was always sticking her nose and where
Speaker 1: it didn't belong. You mean in the investigation she was
Speaker 1: his partner. Makes sense that she would have wanted something
Speaker 1: just because she was his partner. Does not mean and
Speaker 1: you know what, just please, Jeremy, you can't trust her.
Speaker 1: You cannot trust this woman. Mom. I'm sorry. I cannot
Speaker 1: just take your word on this. I need you to
Speaker 1: tell me why. There's still a lot that I don't
Speaker 1: know about Dad's disappearance, so that I don't know what
Speaker 1: is there to know. I know it isn't satisfying, But
Speaker 1: people go missing in Freetown forest all the time. Honey,
Speaker 1: we got I'm lucky. But did he even go missing
Speaker 1: in Freetown forest? What? My t A just dug up
Speaker 1: an article that said he went miss singing? Howk him
Speaker 1: up swamp? Jeremy, You know that local newspapers are hardly
Speaker 1: the most reliable sorts for anything. Well when corroborated by
Speaker 1: police files, I think they are. How would you have
Speaker 1: access to the police files. You're already talking to her too. Mom.
Speaker 1: I know she's a bit of a kook, but she's
Speaker 1: had useful insight. And I mean, after this week, I
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot more than this than we thought. Jeremy,
Speaker 1: what are you hoping to do? It won't bring him back,
Speaker 1: you know that, right, that's not I I just think
Speaker 1: a little I don't know, a little closure would be good. Well,
Speaker 1: I promise you you're not going to get closure by
Speaker 1: talking to Anne Becker. Oh my god, you still have
Speaker 1: not told me what your problem with her is. She
Speaker 1: filled your father said, with all sorts of nuns, and
Speaker 1: she pulled them into all her talk of that place
Speaker 1: that giant dogs and snakes, cold floating lights. And now
Speaker 1: now she's doing the same with you. No, she is not.
Speaker 1: I don't believe any of that crap, and you know it.
Speaker 1: But I do believe there's obviously something suspect about the
Speaker 1: original case. Yes there is, Mom, I think that the
Speaker 1: police were too quick to blame it on the popular
Speaker 1: scapegoat of the moment. You don't think your father got
Speaker 1: into trouble with the Satanic coat? No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that there is someone out there
Speaker 1: who knows what happened to him, and there is a
Speaker 1: reason that his badge appeared now and I am going
Speaker 1: to do what I always do and learn everything I
Speaker 1: possibly can about it. And if it was a cult,
Speaker 1: who knows, they might still be around and more people
Speaker 1: could get hurt, and I don't want that to happen. Jerry,
Speaker 1: it is not your job. I'm sorry, Mom, I gotta go. Okay,
Speaker 1: please please yeah, I will by wait wait, slow down.
Speaker 1: What did she say again? Giant dogs, cults, hipp and
Speaker 1: I wasn't telling you about it because it's relevant. I
Speaker 1: was actually just hoping to oh, oh, lights in the woods, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but she was just talking. It doesn't actually mean anything. Well,
Speaker 1: all information is useful information. I would like to think
Speaker 1: that I've taught you better than that. I'll just say
Speaker 1: at the stage, it's all useful. You know, we should
Speaker 1: be learning everything. We can get a broad look and
Speaker 1: then we can narrow down. The book is much further
Speaker 1: along than that it was. But you're telling me finding
Speaker 1: legitimate occult activity and hawk mock swamp your conversation would Celeste?
Speaker 1: Those aren't reason enough to revisit some things not the
Speaker 1: whole thesis. I was always going to do a chapter
Speaker 1: on spiritual groups in the area, and I would just
Speaker 1: have more information. But okay, you said you dug up
Speaker 1: some more information on the gathering. Yeah, um, here it is.
Speaker 1: It actually seems like there's some other offshoots groups around
Speaker 1: the country that believe in supernatural portals way to talk
Speaker 1: to the other side, and according to the lore among
Speaker 1: these groups, the gathering is old. Wait a minute, are
Speaker 1: you saying these groups have their own internal lore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They swapped information about potential locations where the veil is
Speaker 1: thinnest and did discuss rituals to open it. You know,
Speaker 1: so on I've shared you and what we've compiled so far.
Speaker 1: We oh, um, yeah, Olivia, she's actually been helping me out.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, she's really she makes really good girl
Speaker 1: cheeses and and she's really good at this stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: I know why you've been running off so quick after
Speaker 1: class this week. I mean not that I'm you know,
Speaker 1: not good at research. I'm I'm very good at research.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, she's a female perspective, you know, Vipen.
Speaker 1: You spent a lot of time in here with me. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's kind of my job. No, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: don't I don't hear you. I don't hear you talk
Speaker 1: about your social life or whatever it is you do
Speaker 1: outside of school. Well, doing a PhD is a full
Speaker 1: time gig. I know. I'm just saying it's allowed, you know,
Speaker 1: doing a degree and being passionate about your work and whatever,
Speaker 1: and having a life outside of those things. Spitballing here.
Speaker 1: But you can maybe have friends or hobbies, or or
Speaker 1: maybe you could ask a smart girl out on a date.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we're having this conversation right now. Sorry, Like,
Speaker 1: am I crossing a line. I spend most of my
Speaker 1: weeknights and weekends with you for the past year. You
Speaker 1: were just telling you about a conversation you had with
Speaker 1: your mom. We've spent the past two weeks investigating your
Speaker 1: dad's disappearance. I think we're at the stage where you
Speaker 1: can ask me about my personal life. But when was
Speaker 1: the last time you went on a date or did
Speaker 1: anything but research and writing? You sound like my mom.
Speaker 1: I do plenty. I I I hike to take photos
Speaker 1: for your book, okay, I travel to do research. I
Speaker 1: make new friends often. Not Phil, He's another academic who's
Speaker 1: so boring? And again it's just for research. Look, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, Kettle, you know you're right. Who am I
Speaker 1: to tell you what to do? I guess I honestly
Speaker 1: just see a lot of myself in you, and I
Speaker 1: don't want you ending up like me. I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you this and let you know that this is
Speaker 1: a safe space. But are you unhappy? No? No, it's
Speaker 1: not that. It's just I know, I don't know. Actually,
Speaker 1: never mind, It's just I see how much you care
Speaker 1: about this subject and how people you want to find
Speaker 1: something out, and you want to be the person to
Speaker 1: find something out. I get it. It can be all consuming.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's consumed you? I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm a boring academic and you should probably go hang
Speaker 1: out with some people your age. All right, why don't
Speaker 1: we say this today is Friday? If that calendar is correct,
Speaker 1: Why don't you go play hockey for the rest of
Speaker 1: the day and just go go go lit a life
Speaker 1: or something. What are you going to do? Don't worry
Speaker 1: about me. I am very exciting weekend plans. Ah, You're
Speaker 1: going to meet up with Anne, aren't you? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: am all right. Any developments I should know about. No,
Speaker 1: no developments. I I just can't believe how much I
Speaker 1: let myself get swept up in this whole thing. It's
Speaker 1: been good to get back to real life this week,
Speaker 1: but you're still spending your weekend with that. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: going to go talk to the police with that hiker
Speaker 1: still missing. Um, I don't know. It's just been weighing
Speaker 1: on my conscience, like I have to convince Anne that
Speaker 1: we should tell the police about the gathering. Will you
Speaker 1: think the two are related? I just think I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't take the chance. And besides, maybe the police
Speaker 1: were able to share some information on celest Ha. There.
Speaker 1: It is not done with her yet, are you not quite?
Speaker 1: So we agree this time I'll do all the talking.
Speaker 1: That is not exactly what I said. I know how
Speaker 1: to talk to these people. I was one of them.
Speaker 1: I think that that is precisely why it's hard for
Speaker 1: you to talk to these people, Professor Bradshaw, Miss Becker,
Speaker 1: how can I help you? Officer Batista? You can't be here,
Speaker 1: and yet here we are. You two are working together. Yes, Look, Batista,
Speaker 1: Jeremy told me about your girlfriend. Come on, let's take
Speaker 1: this outside. Katie was at home with me last weekend.
Speaker 1: She wasn't in Hackamox swamp holding a knife. We are
Speaker 1: not trying to accuse Katie of anything, not yet, at
Speaker 1: least I wouldn't think she was there the other night anyway,
Speaker 1: because you said that she wasn't in the inner circle.
Speaker 1: And do you think this was the inner circle? They
Speaker 1: were half a dozen of them, maybe mostly older, all
Speaker 1: in white robes and armed. Not to mention the person
Speaker 1: who was in the middle of it all, do you
Speaker 1: recognize someone? Uh huh? A woman named Celeste Corey. She
Speaker 1: was a member of the gathering in the seventies. I
Speaker 1: interviewed her back then, Officer Batista. That's why we're here.
Speaker 1: I thought you were here to, you know, report cult activity.
Speaker 1: We need some files. You have all the old files,
Speaker 1: don't you. I do. But Thomas and I weren't the
Speaker 1: only people on the force who were looking into the gathering.
Speaker 1: And God only knows what Celeste has been up to
Speaker 1: for the past forty years. You're asking me to give
Speaker 1: you confidential information. Okay, come on, this is a suburban
Speaker 1: police force, it's not the n s A. I think
Speaker 1: what Anne is trying to say here is it. Anything
Speaker 1: that you have on Celeste would be a huge help
Speaker 1: to us. I'm sorry, I can't giving out information about
Speaker 1: a private citizen. I could lose my job. Well, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I think dating occultist who lied to the police could
Speaker 1: also put your job at risk. So I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no reason your captain needs to know that you're
Speaker 1: talking to us or about Katie. Right, fine, good, thank you.
Speaker 1: You didn't see any violence, correct, There wasn't any animal
Speaker 1: sacrifice or or utilation of anyone. No, no, uh. When
Speaker 1: we went to see her, Celeste said that they were
Speaker 1: using those knives for carving symbols into trees. M that
Speaker 1: tracks you've noticed an upstick and vandalism of both the
Speaker 1: swamp it. Wait, did you see you went to go
Speaker 1: talk to her? Yes, on Monday. It was mostly a
Speaker 1: waste of time, which is why we need at file.
Speaker 1: So after seeing a cult meeting involving in a legal
Speaker 1: bonfire and several armed participants, you decided to go talk
Speaker 1: to one of the perpetrators and then wait five more
Speaker 1: days before coming to the police. I am the police,
Speaker 1: all due respect, miss Becker. No, you're not. You can't
Speaker 1: just go harassing people if I'm going to risk my
Speaker 1: job for you, then I need you. We weren't harassing anyone,
Speaker 1: so less talk to us willingly. Mr Bradshaw Captain. I
Speaker 1: was just umh and a becker. What exactly are you
Speaker 1: two doing here together? We were just they were asking
Speaker 1: about the missing hiker. Yeah, that's right. I I've just
Speaker 1: been concerned. Oh do you know Daniel? No? No, I
Speaker 1: just um, Well, I I guess I feel a bit
Speaker 1: beholden to him, seeing as he found my father's badge,
Speaker 1: and I just wish I could have thanked him. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's still plenty of time for that. You found him, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what I was about to tell you. It seems
Speaker 1: you went back to hiking Freetown for Rest and got
Speaker 1: lost for a couple of days. Is he all right?
Speaker 1: He's a little banged up, dehydrated, you know, the usual
Speaker 1: for lost hikers, but he'll be fine. What happened? Do
Speaker 1: you mean? What happened? Kid? Didn't know where he was going,
Speaker 1: took a wrong turn and couldn't find his way out,
Speaker 1: and that's all. That's all. Well, I'm I'm glad to
Speaker 1: hear that he's all right. Is there anything else we
Speaker 1: can do for you no, thank you, Captain m hmm,
Speaker 1: get back to work, ba Gista, I should really get going.
Speaker 1: Wait that hiker? What about him? Where can we find him?
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Speaker 1: matched with a Better Help therapist and get started. You know, Bradshaw,
Speaker 1: I am impressed. What do you mean storing a police
Speaker 1: officer for information? I didn't think it hadn't didn't you. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's not I did not do that. Oh what did
Speaker 1: you think that was? Then? Listen, you were the one
Speaker 1: that brought up Batista's girlfriend. I just wanted to tell
Speaker 1: Captain Haddock about the gathering. I'm telling you that would
Speaker 1: have been a mistake. We don't want to spook them.
Speaker 1: If the police get officially involved and start sniffing around
Speaker 1: Celeste again, they'll close up shop again and we'll miss
Speaker 1: our chance, miss our chance to what to find out
Speaker 1: what the gathering is trying to do. Well, Celeste told
Speaker 1: us they're trying to open the door to the other side.
Speaker 1: I'm actually just more interested in how would they think
Speaker 1: they're going to do that? What if it's more than that?
Speaker 1: What if they've already opened a door and they're trying
Speaker 1: to let something out, and please no, I know you
Speaker 1: don't believe me, but something is going on, Bradshaw. You
Speaker 1: saw the symbols in the fire, You heard the voicemails
Speaker 1: from your dad. That was not my father, that was
Speaker 1: that was some kind of prank or something. I got
Speaker 1: a third one last night and just listen. Olivia taught
Speaker 1: me how to get it onto my phone. And I
Speaker 1: really don't want a cool That wasn't my dad, Bradshaw,
Speaker 1: how can you that wasn't him, and someone is messing
Speaker 1: with you. I don't know who, I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but that was not my dad. How can you still
Speaker 1: not believe that, maybe, just maybe there's something going on
Speaker 1: here that you can't immediately wave away. How can you
Speaker 1: be so quick to believe that that is my dad's voice?
Speaker 1: You know, there is a reason that we believe in
Speaker 1: these stories, these myths. There are brains way of filling
Speaker 1: in the gaps. We find a meeting. We see a
Speaker 1: cloud and we want to give it a shape that
Speaker 1: we recognize, and a shadow will pass before our eyes,
Speaker 1: these very weak, very limited human eyes, and we call
Speaker 1: it a ghost and then we hear a strange voice
Speaker 1: in the woods, and we want desperately to believe that
Speaker 1: it is the person that we want to hear from
Speaker 1: the most. That's what we do as humans. Amen, on
Speaker 1: a voicemail. What a strange voice on a voicemail? What
Speaker 1: did I say? The woods? Oh? Yeah, on a voicemail, Jeremy, listen,
Speaker 1: this is it. We're here. Well, I just want to
Speaker 1: say we're really glad that you're all right. Uh yeah, yeah, thanks.
Speaker 1: What exactly happened to you? Daniel? You said you'd listen
Speaker 1: to me, right, you won't make fun of me, of course,
Speaker 1: not like we said, Daniel, were not the police. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you used to be yes, And during my time
Speaker 1: on the forest, I encountered a lot of things I
Speaker 1: couldn't explain in the forest. And it seems like maybe
Speaker 1: you did too. But if you didn't, that's okay too.
Speaker 1: It's a big park and getting lost is it's completely understandable. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys want some water or anything? I might I
Speaker 1: might get some water. Uh yeah, of course, go ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're okay, thank you? What are you doing? Excuse me?
Speaker 1: And you can't leave him like that. We need to
Speaker 1: hear what he went through, not some story that he
Speaker 1: comes up with. Because you're suggesting that he encountered something supernatural.
Speaker 1: I wasn't suggesting anything. Oh, come on, you were leading
Speaker 1: him and you know it. Okay, who here has actually
Speaker 1: questioned people before? And you're not the only one who
Speaker 1: knows how to do an interview. I've talked to a
Speaker 1: lot of people with lot of crazy stories, and all
Speaker 1: that takes is a tiny little push to turn nothing
Speaker 1: into something in someone's head. Sorry, am I just m
Speaker 1: this is hard to talk about. Yeah, take your time.
Speaker 1: We're here to listen to whatever you want to tell us.
Speaker 1: I did get lost, okay, just a little, and I
Speaker 1: went back to the forest because something, something had been
Speaker 1: bothering me about finding the badge. The badge? What do
Speaker 1: you mean? I kept thinking about it, and I think
Speaker 1: I think I saw something in the woods right before
Speaker 1: I noticed the badge on the ground. What did you see?
Speaker 1: Someone running away? Maybe couldn't have been an animal. No? No,
Speaker 1: it was bright, white and tall and like like it
Speaker 1: was made of light. What kind of you didn't follow it? No?
Speaker 1: I I stepped on something and I looked down to
Speaker 1: see a police badge. I was freaked I ran right
Speaker 1: back to my friend. And but that's why I went back.
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I've been having these nightmares about being
Speaker 1: lost in the woods and there's something following me and
Speaker 1: a voice. What what's the voice saying? I thought if
Speaker 1: that I went back into the forest during the day,
Speaker 1: it would I don't know. I thought checking out the
Speaker 1: spot where we found the badge, seeing it again would
Speaker 1: would stop the nightmares. But I got turned around on
Speaker 1: my way there, and and were you and your friend
Speaker 1: hiking at night? What when you found the badge? You
Speaker 1: said you wanted to go back during the day. The
Speaker 1: dreams they're always at night. You're still having them. They're
Speaker 1: different now since what happened, Daniel, when you got lost?
Speaker 1: What happened? It got dark and my phone died. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like it had any service, but I've been
Speaker 1: using it for a map and a flashlight. And then
Speaker 1: I was just it was so dark. But then these
Speaker 1: lights appeared. There were a few of them, round and
Speaker 1: white and just hanging there in the air. Were they
Speaker 1: doing anything else, like moving pulsing? No? No, not at first,
Speaker 1: but but then then there was a voice. It was whispering,
Speaker 1: e wa che excuse me, That's what it was saying.
Speaker 1: E wa cho And did you recognize the voice? Did
Speaker 1: it sound human? No? No, it didn't. The lights started
Speaker 1: to move and I, I can't explain it. I wanted
Speaker 1: to follow, so I did. It's all such a blur,
Speaker 1: but I know, I know what I saw. I did
Speaker 1: get lost, but that's not That's not why I went missing. Daniel,
Speaker 1: what are you saying? I'm saying. I'm saying I was
Speaker 1: abducted by aliens. Hey, Vippen did nothing in our conversation
Speaker 1: last night's stick. It's the weekend. Why are you calling me?
Speaker 1: What's up? Well, it's a bit of a funny story. Actually,
Speaker 1: I've got one of those two. Actually, And and I
Speaker 1: went to go see that hiker who was fine, by
Speaker 1: the way, he was just fine. It was a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago. Um, he's physically fine. He's pretty rattled.
Speaker 1: But it ended up being a pretty interesting way to
Speaker 1: spend a Friday afternoon, because, yep, I'm in a hawk
Speaker 1: mock swamp. And why are you spending your Saturday morning
Speaker 1: in a swamp? It didn't seem like a good idea
Speaker 1: to come here in the middle of the night. Sipen Hey,
Speaker 1: I wanted to see if I could find traces of
Speaker 1: what the cults was doing last weekend pictures of the
Speaker 1: carving CELESTI was talking about, and I, h I got
Speaker 1: a little lost snippen. No, I'm fine, I'm fine, Really,
Speaker 1: I just I just thought I was hoping you would
Speaker 1: remember something about the clearing that they were in, you know,
Speaker 1: how far into the swamp it was, any distinctive landmarks. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was the middle of the night, and I was
Speaker 1: a little distracted by that, you know, cults. But so
Speaker 1: you have no idea where you were basically basically, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: So have you found anything? Ah, it's hard to say.
Speaker 1: I've seen some markings on trees, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: they're carvings. They don't look distinctive enus. They almost look
Speaker 1: like like like what hallmark? Really? Come on? What? What
Speaker 1: could leave claw marks in the swamp? I have absolutely
Speaker 1: no idea. Here's another one, Professor, It's enormous. It could
Speaker 1: be woodpeckers maybe, or some kind of squirrel six clawed squirrel. Okay,
Speaker 1: well probably not that then. Uh, well, maybe it is
Speaker 1: a carving. It's just a symbol that the gathering uses
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen yet maybe, Pippen. Yeah, sorry, I
Speaker 1: m is really great beyond. Yeah, Hey, buddy, listen, why
Speaker 1: don't you just work on getting out of there. I'll
Speaker 1: stay with you on the phone and then you and
Speaker 1: I can go back there on Monday after class. How
Speaker 1: does that sound? Yeah? Yeah, that that sounds like a
Speaker 1: good idea takes what? What was? What? Hear? What? That's how? Um? Pippen?
Speaker 1: You're probably just here in the wind. Yeah yeah, Pippen.
Speaker 1: PROFESSORI calls what There's something? Professor Pippin Sippen, will you
Speaker 1: tell me? Do you see someone? Is there? Someone there?
Speaker 1: Something else? Pippin Fippen, fipp In, God damn it. Bridgewater
Speaker 1: was created by Aaron Manky and written and directed by
Speaker 1: Lauren Shippen, with executive producers Aaron Manky, Misha Collins, Matt
Speaker 1: Frederick and Alex Williams, supervising producer Trevor Young, editing and
Speaker 1: sound designed by Trevor Young and Matt Stillo, and music
Speaker 1: by Chad Lawson. Starring Misha Collins as Jeremy Bradshaw, Melissa
Speaker 1: Ponzio as Anne Becker, Karen Sony as Vip, and Corona
Speaker 1: Lori Allen as Nancy Collins, Cheryl Umania as Officer Bautista,
Speaker 1: Victoria Grace as Katie Frank's Will Wheaton as Captain Haddock,
Speaker 1: Hillary Burton Morgan as Shelley Hoskins, Jonathan Joss as Joseph Hoskins,
Speaker 1: Sabra May as Olivia Hoskins, Samuel Marty as Ethan Hoskins,
Speaker 1: Kristin Bauer as Celeste, and Nathan Fillion as Thomas Bradshaw,
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