1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Bridgewater is a production of I Heart Radio three D 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: audio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Bankey. For full exposure, 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: listen with headphones. Listener discretion advised. M h h hi, Mom, Hi, 4 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: hear me? No, No, for you still at home? It's 5 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: almost knew it. Are you just waking up? I'm a 6 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: grown man. I also don't have classes today, and I 7 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: had a late one last night, and I've actually had 8 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: a week of late once. Oh, finally seeing someone, Teremy, 9 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm so glad. No, I'm not seeing someone. The only 10 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: dates I've had recently are with the library. Oh, Aretty, 11 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: much different there, then. Oh well, I'm sorry to disappoint you. 12 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: I don't need you to day, Jeremy. I just think 13 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: spending time with people your own age might be You know, mom, 14 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: what did I just say about being a grown man? So? 15 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Is it a book that's keeping you awake? Yeah, something 16 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: like that. It's not the whole thing with your father's dad, 17 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: is it? Because you said that was all resolved? No, 18 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: I didn't. I said that the police didn't find anything 19 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: else with a badge. I didn't say it was resolved. 20 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: He didn't go and talk to Anne Becker. Did you 21 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: is that she did or not going to talk to 22 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: Anne Becker? Mom, why don't you want me talking to her? 23 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: Instincent history? Jeremy, what is all of that business with 24 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: your father? She was always sticking her nose and where 25 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: it didn't belong. You mean in the investigation she was 26 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: his partner. Makes sense that she would have wanted something 27 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: just because she was his partner. Does not mean and 28 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: you know what, just please, Jeremy, you can't trust her. 29 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: You cannot trust this woman. Mom. I'm sorry. I cannot 30 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: just take your word on this. I need you to 31 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: tell me why. There's still a lot that I don't 32 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: know about Dad's disappearance, so that I don't know what 33 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: is there to know. I know it isn't satisfying, But 34 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: people go missing in Freetown forest all the time. Honey, 35 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: we got I'm lucky. But did he even go missing 36 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: in Freetown forest? What? My t A just dug up 37 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: an article that said he went miss singing? Howk him 38 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: up swamp? Jeremy, You know that local newspapers are hardly 39 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: the most reliable sorts for anything. Well when corroborated by 40 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: police files, I think they are. How would you have 41 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: access to the police files. You're already talking to her too. Mom. 42 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: I know she's a bit of a kook, but she's 43 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: had useful insight. And I mean, after this week, I 44 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: think that there's a lot more than this than we thought. Jeremy, 45 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: what are you hoping to do? It won't bring him back, 46 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: you know that, right, that's not I I just think 47 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: a little I don't know, a little closure would be good. Well, 48 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: I promise you you're not going to get closure by 49 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: talking to Anne Becker. Oh my god, you still have 50 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: not told me what your problem with her is. She 51 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: filled your father said, with all sorts of nuns, and 52 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: she pulled them into all her talk of that place 53 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: that giant dogs and snakes, cold floating lights. And now 54 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: now she's doing the same with you. No, she is not. 55 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: I don't believe any of that crap, and you know it. 56 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: But I do believe there's obviously something suspect about the 57 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: original case. Yes there is, Mom, I think that the 58 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: police were too quick to blame it on the popular 59 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: scapegoat of the moment. You don't think your father got 60 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: into trouble with the Satanic coat? No, I'm not saying that. 61 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that there is someone out there 62 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: who knows what happened to him, and there is a 63 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: reason that his badge appeared now and I am going 64 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: to do what I always do and learn everything I 65 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: possibly can about it. And if it was a cult, 66 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: who knows, they might still be around and more people 67 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: could get hurt, and I don't want that to happen. Jerry, 68 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: it is not your job. I'm sorry, Mom, I gotta go. Okay, 69 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: please please yeah, I will by wait wait, slow down. 70 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: What did she say again? Giant dogs, cults, hipp and 71 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't telling you about it because it's relevant. I 72 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: was actually just hoping to oh, oh, lights in the woods, right, yeah, 73 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: but she was just talking. It doesn't actually mean anything. Well, 74 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: all information is useful information. I would like to think 75 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: that I've taught you better than that. I'll just say 76 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: at the stage, it's all useful. You know, we should 77 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: be learning everything. We can get a broad look and 78 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: then we can narrow down. The book is much further 79 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: along than that it was. But you're telling me finding 80 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: legitimate occult activity and hawk mock swamp your conversation would Celeste? 81 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: Those aren't reason enough to revisit some things not the 82 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: whole thesis. I was always going to do a chapter 83 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: on spiritual groups in the area, and I would just 84 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: have more information. But okay, you said you dug up 85 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: some more information on the gathering. Yeah, um, here it is. 86 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: It actually seems like there's some other offshoots groups around 87 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: the country that believe in supernatural portals way to talk 88 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 1: to the other side, and according to the lore among 89 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: these groups, the gathering is old. Wait a minute, are 90 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: you saying these groups have their own internal lore. Yeah. 91 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: They swapped information about potential locations where the veil is 92 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: thinnest and did discuss rituals to open it. You know, 93 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: so on I've shared you and what we've compiled so far. 94 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: We oh, um, yeah, Olivia, she's actually been helping me out. 95 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: You know. Um, she's really she makes really good girl 96 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: cheeses and and she's really good at this stuff. Now, 97 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: I know why you've been running off so quick after 98 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: class this week. I mean not that I'm you know, 99 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: not good at research. I'm I'm very good at research. 100 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: It's just, you know, she's a female perspective, you know, Vipen. 101 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: You spent a lot of time in here with me. Um. Yes, 102 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: that's kind of my job. No, I mean, I just 103 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: don't I don't hear you. I don't hear you talk 104 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: about your social life or whatever it is you do 105 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: outside of school. Well, doing a PhD is a full 106 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: time gig. I know. I'm just saying it's allowed, you know, 107 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: doing a degree and being passionate about your work and whatever, 108 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: and having a life outside of those things. Spitballing here. 109 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: But you can maybe have friends or hobbies, or or 110 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: maybe you could ask a smart girl out on a date. 111 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: I can't believe we're having this conversation right now. Sorry, Like, 112 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: am I crossing a line. I spend most of my 113 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: weeknights and weekends with you for the past year. You 114 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: were just telling you about a conversation you had with 115 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: your mom. We've spent the past two weeks investigating your 116 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: dad's disappearance. I think we're at the stage where you 117 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: can ask me about my personal life. But when was 118 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: the last time you went on a date or did 119 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: anything but research and writing? You sound like my mom. 120 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: I do plenty. I I I hike to take photos 121 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: for your book, okay, I travel to do research. I 122 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: make new friends often. Not Phil, He's another academic who's 123 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: so boring? And again it's just for research. Look, I'm 124 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: just saying, Kettle, you know you're right. Who am I 125 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: to tell you what to do? I guess I honestly 126 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: just see a lot of myself in you, and I 127 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: don't want you ending up like me. I'm going to 128 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: ask you this and let you know that this is 129 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: a safe space. But are you unhappy? No? No, it's 130 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: not that. It's just I know, I don't know. Actually, 131 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: never mind, It's just I see how much you care 132 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: about this subject and how people you want to find 133 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: something out, and you want to be the person to 134 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,239 Speaker 1: find something out. I get it. It can be all consuming. 135 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's consumed you? I feel like 136 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: I'm a boring academic and you should probably go hang 137 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: out with some people your age. All right, why don't 138 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: we say this today is Friday? If that calendar is correct, 139 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: Why don't you go play hockey for the rest of 140 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: the day and just go go go lit a life 141 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: or something. What are you going to do? Don't worry 142 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: about me. I am very exciting weekend plans. Ah, You're 143 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: going to meet up with Anne, aren't you? Yeah? I 144 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,599 Speaker 1: am all right. Any developments I should know about. No, 145 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: no developments. I I just can't believe how much I 146 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: let myself get swept up in this whole thing. It's 147 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: been good to get back to real life this week, 148 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: but you're still spending your weekend with that. Yeah, we're 149 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: going to go talk to the police with that hiker 150 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: still missing. Um, I don't know. It's just been weighing 151 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: on my conscience, like I have to convince Anne that 152 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: we should tell the police about the gathering. Will you 153 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: think the two are related? I just think I can't. 154 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: I can't take the chance. And besides, maybe the police 155 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: were able to share some information on celest Ha. There. 156 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: It is not done with her yet, are you not quite? 157 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: So we agree this time I'll do all the talking. 158 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: That is not exactly what I said. I know how 159 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: to talk to these people. I was one of them. 160 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: I think that that is precisely why it's hard for 161 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: you to talk to these people, Professor Bradshaw, Miss Becker, 162 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: how can I help you? Officer Batista? You can't be here, 163 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: and yet here we are. You two are working together. Yes, Look, Batista, 164 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: Jeremy told me about your girlfriend. Come on, let's take 165 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: this outside. Katie was at home with me last weekend. 166 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: She wasn't in Hackamox swamp holding a knife. We are 167 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: not trying to accuse Katie of anything, not yet, at 168 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: least I wouldn't think she was there the other night anyway, 169 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: because you said that she wasn't in the inner circle. 170 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: And do you think this was the inner circle? They 171 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: were half a dozen of them, maybe mostly older, all 172 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: in white robes and armed. Not to mention the person 173 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: who was in the middle of it all, do you 174 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: recognize someone? Uh huh? A woman named Celeste Corey. She 175 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: was a member of the gathering in the seventies. I 176 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: interviewed her back then, Officer Batista. That's why we're here. 177 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: I thought you were here to, you know, report cult activity. 178 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: We need some files. You have all the old files, 179 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: don't you. I do. But Thomas and I weren't the 180 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: only people on the force who were looking into the gathering. 181 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: And God only knows what Celeste has been up to 182 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: for the past forty years. You're asking me to give 183 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: you confidential information. Okay, come on, this is a suburban 184 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: police force, it's not the n s A. I think 185 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: what Anne is trying to say here is it. Anything 186 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: that you have on Celeste would be a huge help 187 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: to us. I'm sorry, I can't giving out information about 188 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: a private citizen. I could lose my job. Well, I'm sorry. 189 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: I think dating occultist who lied to the police could 190 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: also put your job at risk. So I mean, you know, 191 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: there's no reason your captain needs to know that you're 192 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: talking to us or about Katie. Right, fine, good, thank you. 193 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: You didn't see any violence, correct, There wasn't any animal 194 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: sacrifice or or utilation of anyone. No, no, uh. When 195 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: we went to see her, Celeste said that they were 196 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: using those knives for carving symbols into trees. M that 197 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: tracks you've noticed an upstick and vandalism of both the 198 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: swamp it. Wait, did you see you went to go 199 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: talk to her? Yes, on Monday. It was mostly a 200 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: waste of time, which is why we need at file. 201 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: So after seeing a cult meeting involving in a legal 202 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: bonfire and several armed participants, you decided to go talk 203 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: to one of the perpetrators and then wait five more 204 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: days before coming to the police. I am the police, 205 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: all due respect, miss Becker. No, you're not. You can't 206 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: just go harassing people if I'm going to risk my 207 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: job for you, then I need you. We weren't harassing anyone, 208 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: so less talk to us willingly. Mr Bradshaw Captain. I 209 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: was just umh and a becker. What exactly are you 210 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: two doing here together? We were just they were asking 211 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: about the missing hiker. Yeah, that's right. I I've just 212 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: been concerned. Oh do you know Daniel? No? No, I 213 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: just um, Well, I I guess I feel a bit 214 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: beholden to him, seeing as he found my father's badge, 215 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: and I just wish I could have thanked him. Oh, 216 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: there's still plenty of time for that. You found him, Yes, 217 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: that's what I was about to tell you. It seems 218 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: you went back to hiking Freetown for Rest and got 219 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: lost for a couple of days. Is he all right? 220 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: He's a little banged up, dehydrated, you know, the usual 221 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: for lost hikers, but he'll be fine. What happened? Do 222 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: you mean? What happened? Kid? Didn't know where he was going, 223 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: took a wrong turn and couldn't find his way out, 224 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: and that's all. That's all. Well, I'm I'm glad to 225 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: hear that he's all right. Is there anything else we 226 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: can do for you no, thank you, Captain m hmm, 227 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: get back to work, ba Gista, I should really get going. 228 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: Wait that hiker? What about him? Where can we find him? 229 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: This episode is sponsored by better Help Online Counseling. Life 230 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: isn't always easy. 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I just wanted to tell 256 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: Captain Haddock about the gathering. I'm telling you that would 257 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: have been a mistake. We don't want to spook them. 258 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: If the police get officially involved and start sniffing around 259 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: Celeste again, they'll close up shop again and we'll miss 260 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: our chance, miss our chance to what to find out 261 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: what the gathering is trying to do. Well, Celeste told 262 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: us they're trying to open the door to the other side. 263 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm actually just more interested in how would they think 264 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: they're going to do that? What if it's more than that? 265 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: What if they've already opened a door and they're trying 266 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: to let something out, and please no, I know you 267 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: don't believe me, but something is going on, Bradshaw. You 268 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: saw the symbols in the fire, You heard the voicemails 269 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: from your dad. That was not my father, that was 270 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: that was some kind of prank or something. I got 271 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: a third one last night and just listen. Olivia taught 272 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: me how to get it onto my phone. And I 273 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: really don't want a cool That wasn't my dad, Bradshaw, 274 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: how can you that wasn't him, and someone is messing 275 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: with you. I don't know who, I don't know why, 276 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: but that was not my dad. How can you still 277 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: not believe that, maybe, just maybe there's something going on 278 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: here that you can't immediately wave away. How can you 279 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: be so quick to believe that that is my dad's voice? 280 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: You know, there is a reason that we believe in 281 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: these stories, these myths. There are brains way of filling 282 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: in the gaps. We find a meeting. We see a 283 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: cloud and we want to give it a shape that 284 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: we recognize, and a shadow will pass before our eyes, 285 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: these very weak, very limited human eyes, and we call 286 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: it a ghost and then we hear a strange voice 287 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: in the woods, and we want desperately to believe that 288 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: it is the person that we want to hear from 289 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: the most. That's what we do as humans. Amen, on 290 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: a voicemail. What a strange voice on a voicemail? What 291 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: did I say? The woods? Oh? Yeah, on a voicemail, Jeremy, listen, 292 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: this is it. We're here. Well, I just want to 293 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: say we're really glad that you're all right. Uh yeah, yeah, thanks. 294 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: What exactly happened to you? Daniel? You said you'd listen 295 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: to me, right, you won't make fun of me, of course, 296 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: not like we said, Daniel, were not the police. Yeah, 297 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: but you used to be yes, And during my time 298 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: on the forest, I encountered a lot of things I 299 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: couldn't explain in the forest. And it seems like maybe 300 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: you did too. But if you didn't, that's okay too. 301 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: It's a big park and getting lost is it's completely understandable. Yeah, yeah, 302 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: you guys want some water or anything? I might I 303 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: might get some water. Uh yeah, of course, go ahead. Yeah, 304 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: we're okay, thank you? What are you doing? Excuse me? 305 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: And you can't leave him like that. We need to 306 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: hear what he went through, not some story that he 307 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: comes up with. Because you're suggesting that he encountered something supernatural. 308 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't suggesting anything. Oh, come on, you were leading 309 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: him and you know it. Okay, who here has actually 310 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: questioned people before? And you're not the only one who 311 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: knows how to do an interview. I've talked to a 312 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: lot of people with lot of crazy stories, and all 313 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: that takes is a tiny little push to turn nothing 314 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: into something in someone's head. Sorry, am I just m 315 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: this is hard to talk about. Yeah, take your time. 316 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: We're here to listen to whatever you want to tell us. 317 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: I did get lost, okay, just a little, and I 318 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: went back to the forest because something, something had been 319 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: bothering me about finding the badge. The badge? What do 320 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: you mean? I kept thinking about it, and I think 321 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: I think I saw something in the woods right before 322 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: I noticed the badge on the ground. What did you see? 323 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: Someone running away? Maybe couldn't have been an animal. No? No, 324 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: it was bright, white and tall and like like it 325 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: was made of light. What kind of you didn't follow it? No? 326 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: I I stepped on something and I looked down to 327 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: see a police badge. I was freaked I ran right 328 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: back to my friend. And but that's why I went back. 329 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to. I've been having these nightmares about being 330 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: lost in the woods and there's something following me and 331 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: a voice. What what's the voice saying? I thought if 332 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: that I went back into the forest during the day, 333 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: it would I don't know. I thought checking out the 334 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: spot where we found the badge, seeing it again would 335 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: would stop the nightmares. But I got turned around on 336 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: my way there, and and were you and your friend 337 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: hiking at night? What when you found the badge? You 338 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: said you wanted to go back during the day. The 339 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: dreams they're always at night. You're still having them. They're 340 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: different now since what happened, Daniel, when you got lost? 341 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: What happened? It got dark and my phone died. I mean, 342 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: it's not like it had any service, but I've been 343 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: using it for a map and a flashlight. And then 344 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: I was just it was so dark. But then these 345 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: lights appeared. There were a few of them, round and 346 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: white and just hanging there in the air. Were they 347 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: doing anything else, like moving pulsing? No? No, not at first, 348 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: but but then then there was a voice. It was whispering, 349 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: e wa che excuse me, That's what it was saying. 350 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: E wa cho And did you recognize the voice? Did 351 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: it sound human? No? No, it didn't. The lights started 352 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: to move and I, I can't explain it. I wanted 353 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: to follow, so I did. It's all such a blur, 354 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: but I know, I know what I saw. I did 355 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: get lost, but that's not That's not why I went missing. Daniel, 356 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: what are you saying? I'm saying. I'm saying I was 357 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: abducted by aliens. Hey, Vippen did nothing in our conversation 358 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: last night's stick. It's the weekend. Why are you calling me? 359 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: What's up? Well, it's a bit of a funny story. Actually, 360 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: I've got one of those two. Actually, And and I 361 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: went to go see that hiker who was fine, by 362 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: the way, he was just fine. It was a couple 363 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: of days ago. Um, he's physically fine. He's pretty rattled. 364 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: But it ended up being a pretty interesting way to 365 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: spend a Friday afternoon, because, yep, I'm in a hawk 366 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: mock swamp. And why are you spending your Saturday morning 367 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: in a swamp? It didn't seem like a good idea 368 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: to come here in the middle of the night. Sipen Hey, 369 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to see if I could find traces of 370 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: what the cults was doing last weekend pictures of the 371 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: carving CELESTI was talking about, and I, h I got 372 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: a little lost snippen. No, I'm fine, I'm fine, Really, 373 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: I just I just thought I was hoping you would 374 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: remember something about the clearing that they were in, you know, 375 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: how far into the swamp it was, any distinctive landmarks. Uh, 376 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: it was the middle of the night, and I was 377 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: a little distracted by that, you know, cults. But so 378 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: you have no idea where you were basically basically, yeah, sorry, 379 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: So have you found anything? Ah, it's hard to say. 380 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: I've seen some markings on trees, but I'm not sure 381 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: they're carvings. They don't look distinctive enus. They almost look 382 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: like like like what hallmark? Really? Come on? What? What 383 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: could leave claw marks in the swamp? I have absolutely 384 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: no idea. Here's another one, Professor, It's enormous. It could 385 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: be woodpeckers maybe, or some kind of squirrel six clawed squirrel. Okay, 386 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: well probably not that then. Uh, well, maybe it is 387 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: a carving. It's just a symbol that the gathering uses 388 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: that we haven't seen yet maybe, Pippen. Yeah, sorry, I 389 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: m is really great beyond. Yeah, Hey, buddy, listen, why 390 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: don't you just work on getting out of there. I'll 391 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: stay with you on the phone and then you and 392 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: I can go back there on Monday after class. How 393 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: does that sound? Yeah? Yeah, that that sounds like a 394 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: good idea takes what? What was? What? Hear? What? That's how? Um? Pippen? 395 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: You're probably just here in the wind. Yeah yeah, Pippen. 396 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: PROFESSORI calls what There's something? Professor Pippin Sippen, will you 397 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: tell me? Do you see someone? Is there? Someone there? 398 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: Something else? Pippin Fippen, fipp In, God damn it. Bridgewater 399 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: was created by Aaron Manky and written and directed by 400 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: Lauren Shippen, with executive producers Aaron Manky, Misha Collins, Matt 401 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: Frederick and Alex Williams, supervising producer Trevor Young, editing and 402 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: sound designed by Trevor Young and Matt Stillo, and music 403 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: by Chad Lawson. Starring Misha Collins as Jeremy Bradshaw, Melissa 404 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: Ponzio as Anne Becker, Karen Sony as Vip, and Corona 405 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: Lori Allen as Nancy Collins, Cheryl Umania as Officer Bautista, 406 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: Victoria Grace as Katie Frank's Will Wheaton as Captain Haddock, 407 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: Hillary Burton Morgan as Shelley Hoskins, Jonathan Joss as Joseph Hoskins, 408 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: Sabra May as Olivia Hoskins, Samuel Marty as Ethan Hoskins, 409 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: Kristin Bauer as Celeste, and Nathan Fillion as Thomas Bradshaw, 410 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: with additional voice acting by Brigand Snow, Andrew Nowak, Julia 411 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: Maury Sawa, Jarvis Johnson, and Brielle Bresnan, Kristen dem Curio, 412 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: James Oliva and leron Amia. 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