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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little loan, fascinating

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Speaker 1: facts behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows, and more.

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Speaker 1: We are your Lords of the Lowdown. My name is

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Speaker 1: Jordan run Tug, and today we're talking about one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest baseball movies of all time, A League of

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Speaker 1: their Own, which turns thirty years old this very month.

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Speaker 1: And there's also a new miniseries inspired by the classic

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Speaker 1: films set the premiere on Amazon later this summer. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure it'll be great. It's got Abbie

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Speaker 1: Jacobson in the lead and Nick Offerman in the crotchetty

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Speaker 1: Tom Hanks role. But come on, it's a League of

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Speaker 1: their Own. Homages are nice, but it will never be topped.

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Speaker 1: Incredible true story, plot, great message, absurd cast. Where else

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Speaker 1: can you get rosy O'donald Madonna, Bill Pullman, Lori Petty,

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Speaker 1: John Lovett's Gary Marshall wiki from Laverne and Shirley. Tom

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Speaker 1: Hanks our first of I guess it doesn't really count

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Speaker 1: as a Hanks connection when he's in the movie, But

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Speaker 1: so yeah, and of course a fresh off Thelman, Louise

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Speaker 1: Gina Davis, good Lord, incredible cast. I grew up with

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Speaker 1: this movie, so it's impossible for me not to be biased.

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Speaker 1: But Heigel, you in fact saw this movie for the

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Speaker 1: very first time the other day, so I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: get your your take and your thoughts. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's just such a First of all, I'm not a

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Speaker 1: but um, that's why I played it. It's the most

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Speaker 1: about like, here's the mechanics of every sport, so you

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Speaker 1: have any like traumatic baseball experiences, like being embarrassed Jim

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Speaker 1: But you know, I do have a delight for well crafted,

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Speaker 1: mid budget studio movie from the nineties, and this sure

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Speaker 1: is that, man. I mean, you know, we find out

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Speaker 1: new in different ways in which Disney is flattening out

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Speaker 1: this is just one of those movies you don't really

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Speaker 1: the Jerry McGuire episode. It it's like a mid level

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Speaker 1: that's not a tiny indie movie or a Marvel movie.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Yeah, but you so you you like

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Speaker 1: baseball movies. Yeah, I actually played baseball. I was not

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Speaker 1: from baseball in eighth grade after I hit a kid.

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Speaker 1: love baseball movies, and to me, A League of their

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Speaker 1: Own is a highlight in this golden era for baseball movies. Um.

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Speaker 1: For symmetry sake, I'll say that this golden era starts

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Speaker 1: following year, and it ends in with the truly Terrible

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Speaker 1: you've got Major League, you've got a Little Big League,

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Speaker 1: you've got Rookie of the Year, you've got Angels in

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Speaker 1: the outfield, and of course the Sandlot, which we should

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Speaker 1: their own, at least for my money. Even the slogans

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Speaker 1: From the grueling audition process that was really more like

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Speaker 1: to that. Here is everything you didn't know about A

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Speaker 1: League of their Own. Now, before the movie A League

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Speaker 1: of their Own, there was the documentary League of their Own.

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Speaker 1: Director Penny Marshall was inspired to make this movie after

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Speaker 1: Bruce Willis literally screwed her out of the part, which

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Speaker 1: that is a borched belt. Penny Marshall. Then Penny tried

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Speaker 1: to get Deborah Winger, who spent three months training with

429
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Speaker 1: the Chicago Cubs to prepare for this, and then subsequently

430
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Speaker 1: backed out after learning that Madonna was involved in the film,

431
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: which I love. Winger felt like this was stunt casting,

432
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: and she said that she felt it was shaping up

433
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Speaker 1: to be quote an Elvis film, which I think does

434
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 1: a disservice to a number of of US's films. So

435
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: she walked, exercising her pay or play clause for the

436
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: first and only time in her career. Um Jordan, what's

437
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: a pair play clause? When't you tell the folks at home?

438
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean the short version is that you if you leave,

439
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: you get paid anyway. So she basically got paid her fee,

440
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: basically millions of dollars for doing nothing. But despite this

441
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: financial windfall, she couldn't resist a few digs against the

442
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: cast of a league of their own. Over twenty five

443
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: years later, Yeah, she told the Telegraph in one that

444
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: she felt Madonna and the other leading ladies didn't train

445
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: as hard as they should have to make a legitimate

446
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: looking baseball movie. Quote as entertaining as the final film was,

447
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: you don't walk away going Wow, those women did that? You,

448
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: Debra Winger. People broke fingers to make this movie. Quote

449
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Speaker 1: you kind of go? Is that true? She did allow

450
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Speaker 1: that Gina Davis did okay, and that she certainly doesn't

451
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Speaker 1: begrudge any of the actors. But of Madonna's performance, I

452
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: think her acting career has spoken for itself. I guess

453
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Speaker 1: some last bits of fantasy casting. Laura Dern was considered

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Speaker 1: for the role Dotti Hinson, which I could see, as

455
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Speaker 1: was Jennifer Jason Lee, Ali Sheety and Kelly McGillis. Oh yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: we mentioned Lori Petty earlier. This is probably the best

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Speaker 1: I've I think I've ever seen her in what else

458
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Speaker 1: was she and she was in sometimes we talked about Yeah,

459
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: tank Car for is such a ridiculous character, and even

460
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: in Orange Andley Black, she's just kind of like manic.

461
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: But she's so good in this The underdog's underdog in

462
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Speaker 1: this movie. And fittingly, she auditioned a whopping eight times

463
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Speaker 1: to get this part, which compare and contrast with Penny

464
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Speaker 1: Marshall just asking Gina Davis to throw a ball in

465
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Speaker 1: her backyard. Petty told the Ringer in every woman in

466
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: Hollywood was reading for this movie. It was a strong

467
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Speaker 1: female movie, which you know we don't have now and

468
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: didn't have either. I mean, Marla Maples auditioned for Christ's sake, everyone.

469
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Speaker 1: I mean, I do love the unnecessary shots across the

470
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Speaker 1: bow of Marla Maples. Marla Maples like she didn't suffer enough.

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Speaker 1: The producers originally had cast actress Moira Kelly later of

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Speaker 1: One Tree Hill, but she broke her foot during the

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Speaker 1: production of the ice skating film The Cutting Edge. Molly

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Speaker 1: Ringwald was also before they went with Lori Petty because

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Speaker 1: she had been a serious ballplayer since childhood and was

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Speaker 1: the only girl on a boy's team. Growing up, she

477
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: told the ringer. We had to throw and catch and

478
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Speaker 1: hit and stuff, so you'd see all these movie stars

479
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Speaker 1: up there. But you can't teach a grown woman or

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Speaker 1: a grown man how to throw a ball properly. You

481
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: really need to have grown up doing it. So I

482
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: was super blessed that I played ball. But you know,

483
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: the sibling rivalry stuff kind of bled over into real life,

484
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: she told people earlier this year. Honestly, it was not

485
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: difficult to look up at this glamorous Academy Award winning

486
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 1: movie star and conjure up sisterly jealousy and adoration and

487
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: feeling looked over. But she said with a laugh. So

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00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: Laurie Petty saying this, yeah, but it must have infuriated

489
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Speaker 1: Lori Petty in this scene when she and Jean and

490
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Speaker 1: Davis are racing at the top of the movie, because

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Speaker 1: Lori Petty was actually a much faster runner but had

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Speaker 1: to slow it down for the shoot. And so. Another

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Speaker 1: key figure in the movie is Alter Harvey, who is

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Speaker 1: the candy mogul the bank rolls the league, and he

495
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: is based on the league's the real life founder Philip K.

496
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Speaker 1: Wrigley namesake of Wrigley Field and Rigley Gum. They changed

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Speaker 1: that to candy bars for the movie for I don't

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Speaker 1: know legal reasons. Uh, Penny initially wanted Christopher walk into

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Speaker 1: my League founder Walter Harvey, which could God, I love

500
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: Christopher Walking as much as the next guy. Presumably Gary

501
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: Oldman wasn't available. Yeah, what an energy would have brought

502
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: to that movie. Oh my god, maybe she has had

503
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: a thing for like extremely New York people, because walkins

504
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: like a native New Yorker. Oh yeah, maybe. I guess

505
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: we'll get to this later. But Rosie o'donald's part was

506
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be a lot smaller, but they gave her

507
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Speaker 1: more scenes because I guess Rosie was the only one

508
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Speaker 1: who could understand what Penny Marshall was saying because of

509
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: a really thick bronx accent. Yeah, so so Rosie, another

510
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: Outer Borough woman, was able to sort of decipher that

511
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: for the rest of the cast. I guess Walking came

512
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: with two high a price tag because she brought your

513
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: brother Gary Marshall for cheap. Hey, you want to play

514
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: second banana to uh Christopher Walkin. God, that's gotta hurt.

515
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: We couldn't get Walking, so we got you to save money.

516
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: We created like Happy Days and Lavernon Shirley. Right, you did,

517
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: all right, But he's no Christopher Morcan. Mindy. I think, God,

518
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: what an insane number of shows that's spun off a

519
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: Happy Days total sidebar. But well, actually not a total sidebar,

520
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: because Penny Marshall actually snuck in some of her Lavern

521
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Speaker 1: and Shirley co stars to yes into a League of

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Speaker 1: their own. I mean, I'm a child of the Nick

523
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: Knight era. I watched that lineup religiously all the time.

524
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: Lavernon Shirley was one of my favorite shows. I knew

525
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Speaker 1: Penny Marshall first and foremost as Laverne de Fazio from

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Speaker 1: Lavern and Shirley, had a huge crush on Shirley, loved

527
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Speaker 1: Cindy Williams. Yeah yeah. Penny placed a few of her

528
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Speaker 1: ex cast mates from Lavern and Shirley in the League

529
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Speaker 1: of their Own. David Lander, who played Squiggy on the

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Speaker 1: series as one of the game announcers, and she also

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Speaker 1: cost Eddie Mecca, who played Shirley's on again, off again

532
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: boyfriend Carmine on the TV series. Uh, he's the soldier

533
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: who spent an evening dancing with Madonna's character may Um.

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00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: I think he just died recently. Oh, I don't know.

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00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: I never watched that show now once. Anyway, while we're

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Speaker 1: on the topic of characters inspired by real life figures

537
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: like Gary Marshall's characters, Watch Hanks, watch yess here we go,

538
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: this brings us to Jimmy Doogan. The coach of the

539
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: Rockford Peaches, is said to be based on two early

540
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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball icons whose careers were unfortunately sidelines by alcoholism,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Fox who's incredibly named UH and Hack Wilson. And

542
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: when the film was still in development at Fox, Jim

543
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: Belushi was in line to play Jimmy Dougan, but Hank's

544
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Speaker 1: petition to get the role from his old friend Penny Marshall,

545
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: who directed him in Big, which was a crucial turning

546
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Speaker 1: point in han His acting career UH, taking him from

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00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: the small screen bosom buddies to you know, decent roles.

548
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, at this point in the early nineties, Hanks's

549
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: career had really, for probably the one and only time,

550
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: hit the skids after a pair of flops The Bourbs

551
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: and Joe Versus the Volcano, Penny was really worried about

552
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Speaker 1: casting him because this character was supposed to be a

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Speaker 1: past at ball player who was in his fifties, and

554
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: Hanks was I think barely into his thirties, so ultimately

555
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: they made the character younger, but to make Hanks less

556
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Speaker 1: darnlikable to audiences, he agreed to put on thirty pounds,

557
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: which is a feat he accomplished by visiting a nearby

558
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: dairy queen while filming fairly religiously, and he told Entertainment tonight,

559
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: I had barbecue pork ribs and enjoyed the desserts of America. Um. Meanwhile,

560
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: Penny told Rosey O'Donnell to eat as little as possible.

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Speaker 1: Oh uh. And in this episode's edition of It Longs

562
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: in the Museum, the uniform that Tom Hanks wears in

563
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: this film was sold at auction in for seventeen thousand,

564
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty two dollars and forty cents. Pretty good,

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00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: Pretty good now. One of the most memorable moments with

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Doogan is his introduction to the team when he

567
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: drunkenly stumbles into the locker room and peas for an

568
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: unnaturally long length of time, approximately fifty three seconds in fact,

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Speaker 1: but rest assured folks, he is not actually peeing. The

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00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: scene is accomplished with movie magic, although extremely low budget

571
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: movie magic. Penny Marshall stood just off camera with a

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Speaker 1: hose in a bucket to simulate the sound, and she

573
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: didn't tell Hanks when he was gonna be done either,

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00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: so she he just had to sort of go with it.

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00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: So for all of our Hanks connections that we've had

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00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: throughout this show, uh, there was one that I actually

577
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: have with Hanks said, I don't think I've ever told you, hi,

578
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: because you're springing. This is the one you promised to

579
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Speaker 1: spring on me. So yeah, I always thought it was

580
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: too crude and never really had a reason to bring

581
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: it up on this But now we're talking about Hanks peeing.

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Speaker 1: There's really there's probably no better opportunity in the world

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Speaker 1: from me to bring this up. I actually pete next

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Speaker 1: to Tom Hanks when I was a little boy at

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Speaker 1: a urinal in Los Angeles. Was he cool? Yeah? I

586
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: mean I was ten. It was the Stables Center. What

587
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: were you seeing? The Stables Center? Figure skating Christi Amagucci

588
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: and um I think Michelle Kawan. Yes, Pete to Tom Hanks.

589
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: That was my big, big claim to fame. Okay, I

590
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: have to say it was tough. I mean, that Thing

591
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: You Do and Apollo thirteen were like my two favorite

592
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: movies at that time. So it was actually really hard

593
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: to be chill at a urnal, which probably at that

594
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: point was rare for me anyway. Usually I was a

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00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: stall boy. Um. Yeah, Tom Hanks washed his hands. That's

596
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: really all information I can give anyway. Moving on. Uh,

597
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: but you know what you didn't do it that urnal

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00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: was cry This brings us to the famous line they're

599
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: still crying in baseball. There's no crystal ball, no crying

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00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: on the a f I I think one of the

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Speaker 1: fi top on. Oh deservedly so one of the biggest

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00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: catchphrases in cinema history. And the screenwriters had no idea.

603
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: They had no idea they were pending a classic. Screenwriter

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00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: Loegance has said the idea was to show the disconnect

605
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: that the cultures were completely different between men and women

606
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: in the way they played the game, and the line

607
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: was president in the first draft, long before Hanks was cast.

608
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: It was just, you know, kind of a tossed off line.

609
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: I guess the cast also didn't have any inkling that

610
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: the scene would live in infamy either. Gina Davis told

611
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: USA Today in we knew it was hella funny, but

612
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was going to be a classic line.

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00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: That's a signature right up there with the Leavista baby.

614
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: She's from Massachusetts. What is she saying hell for? I? Oh, yeah,

615
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: that's that's that's very strange to me. And that's like

616
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: that's a NorCal thing too, That's not even like a

617
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: Hollywood thing. The actors. Biddy Shram, who played right fielder

618
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: Evelyn Gardner who's the object of Hanks's rage in this scene,

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Speaker 1: says that she can't watch the scene because she can

620
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: tell her makeup was still smudged from crying during previous takes.

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Speaker 1: She said, it made me nauseous. All I could see is, oh,

622
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: they picked the take where I look like I was

623
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: crying before, or Tom was great, but look at my

624
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: double chin. That's all I can think about when I

625
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: see that scene. It's a shame because it's a classic scene.

626
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: But you know what turns out there actually is crying

627
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: in baseball. Just a few years before the film was

628
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: set in three, Luke Garrett gave his famous farewell speech

629
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: at Yankee Stadium in nine and he cried there. Kirby

630
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: Puckett and Bill Mazerowski cried on the day that they

631
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: were inducted into the Hall of Fame. Louise Tiant cried

632
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: after Bucky hit his famous homer. Mike Schmidt cried when

633
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: he retired. Mike Hampton cried when he was honored as

634
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: the Houston Astro's m v P. Cal Ripken cried when

635
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: he broke lou Garreg's fifty six year old record for

636
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: consecutive games played two thousand, one hundred and thirty. Iron

637
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: Man Baby and uh Wilmur Flores visibly wept in the

638
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: middle of a game and twenty after hearing he had

639
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: been traded by the New York Mets. This turned out

640
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: to be false, but the moment went viral anyway and

641
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: became a fan favorite because it was so sweet that

642
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: he felt that emotional the connection to his team. So anyway,

643
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy Dugan was wrong. There is crying in baseball. We

644
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: have no segway for this. G like Madonna? Do you

645
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: like Huey Lewis the News? Do you like Madonna? Um?

646
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: I like early stuff through to probably like a prayer,

647
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: Borderlines an incredible song. I find that like, that's actually

648
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: one of my favorite pop songs of all time. All

649
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: the all the early stuff is great. Yeah. I actually

650
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: I have a soft spot for a Vita. Believe it

651
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: or not, I bet you do. Yeah, yeah, um, I

652
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: hate but Donna she's a hack. She's like David Bowie

653
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: in the sense of being a vampire of people around her.

654
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: But instead of making incredible, indelible music, she makes dog

655
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: really well. You don't think that she was good until

656
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: falling off around like American Life in the two thousands

657
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: of a Bond themes, she was good until then. Okay,

658
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: no Ray of Light was good, but I guess that

659
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: was kind of like Beautiful Stranger. Beautiful Strangers so good,

660
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: like like nineties psychedelia, like garbage. I hate all that.

661
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god. No, No, I don't like her. I

662
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: get that she's like important or groundbreaking or whatever, but

663
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: I just find her so obnoxious. Man, every single thing

664
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: about her is artificial And yeah, alright, so so you're

665
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: not Madonna fan. Not We've cut just ten minutes of

666
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: higel of sanity laden rant about life, filtered bile against Madonna,

667
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: but you know, funny enough to think about. In the

668
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: review Mirror at the time, our beloved Hank's stature was

669
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: completely eclipsed by Madonna. You know, all four of her

670
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: studio albums had gone multi platinum by the early nineties,

671
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: but her film career was not exactly keeping pace with that.

672
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: She had appeared in famous flops like Dick Tracy, Desperately

673
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: Seeking Susan, which I actually like a lot as um

674
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: and Shanghai Surprise, which is as a Sean penn one

675
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: right uh and produced by my beloved George Harrison right.

676
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: And when casting was underway for A League of their

677
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: own in one Columbia, executive told the l A Times,

678
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: there's still some dispute about whether she's a movie star,

679
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: so it was so catty. But even so, she was

680
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: desperate to snag a role in the film as a

681
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: way of diversifying her filmography. Producer Robert green Hut even

682
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: told her, you know, this is very little money, but

683
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: she took like, you know, we can't turn down Madonna,

684
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: but do we really want Madonna? And she took her

685
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: role of dancer turn center, feedl may morete Vito all

686
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: the way may very seriously. According to producers, she trained

687
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: with everyone else during the weeks of the arduous rehearsals

688
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: and training. She learned how to slide into third base

689
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: by using a slipping slide toy, which we will come

690
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: back to you later. The one thing that she couldn't

691
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: master that was fielding grounders like Bill Buckner from Boston

692
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: about that, that, oh man, so they moved into outfield.

693
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: She was originally playing third base. So funny that the

694
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: like one of the six sports references I have in

695
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: my pocket, is a direct shot at the very fiber

696
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: of your being. But other than that, she did not

697
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: get superstar treatment and has been called a trooper by

698
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: members of the crew. Green Hut said she took it seriously.

699
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: She might have come in late a few times, and

700
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: maybe I had to bring her to the principal's office

701
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: kind of thing, But ultimately she was a sweetheart. She

702
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: was just so enthusiastic about doing a good job. Even

703
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: Laurie Petty, who was coming from a place of authority

704
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: when it comes to sports skills, said, I've never met

705
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: anybody who works harder in my life. For real, she

706
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: would get up and run six miles before work when

707
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: we're already going to be outside running and sweating and dying. Yeah,

708
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: she really really gives it all, so that was very impressive.

709
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: The cast was understandably starstruck. Petty told the ringer that

710
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: she was such a big star inwo that we were like,

711
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: what are we even supposed to call her? You can't

712
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: call her Madonna? That's like calling her the Empire State Building.

713
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: And even Penny Marshall said, uh, I couldn't get the

714
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: word Madonna out, so she resorted to referring to Madonna

715
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: and rose O'Donnell as rowan Mo. Madge apparently dried her

716
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: best to be approachable, even inviting the cast to her

717
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: house for her birthday party where she made homemade Brace

718
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: Crispy treats, but there were moments when Madonna was perhaps

719
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: less than friendly. She apparently refused to sign autographs during

720
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: production and was so rude to the citizens of Evansville, Indiana,

721
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: where the World Series finale was filmed, that the town

722
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: still hates her, and I guess she hates them right back,

723
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: because she had a famous quote where she compared it

724
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: to Soviet era Prague because she couldn't get MTV at

725
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: the house she was staying in at the time, and

726
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: things got so bad. This whole kerfuffle over this that

727
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: three hundred citizens laid on their backs in the parking

728
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: lot of a local stadium and spelled out Madonna with

729
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: a strike through. One of the quotes that I found

730
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: from a resident who appeared as extra in the movie said,

731
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: I found her to be unpleasant and arrogant much of

732
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: the time. You gotta wonder about the wording of that,

733
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: like pretty nice the rest of the time, though, Um God,

734
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: this is awful. She wrote a letter to a friend

735
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: who was a photographer named Steven Meisel, with whom she

736
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: must have had some kind of falling out because he

737
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: made this public. And is I mean, there's no reason

738
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: you would release this letter other than to make Madonna

739
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: look bad. It really in part I cannot suffer any

740
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: more than I have in the past month learning how

741
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: to play baseball with a bunch of girls. Yuck in Chicago,

742
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: double yuck. I have a tan, I'm dirty all day,

743
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: and I hardly ever wear makeup. Gina Davis is a

744
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: Barbie doll, and when God decided where the beautiful men

745
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: were going to live in the world, he did not

746
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: choose Chicago. That's a pretty good line. I should have

747
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: say that for the lyrics. Um quote I have made

748
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: a few friends, but they are athletes, not actresses. They

749
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: have nothing on the House of Extravaganza. I wish I

750
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: could come to New York. Lastly, Madonna was paired with

751
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: Rosie O'donnald throughout the film and their relationship uh it's fun.

752
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: It's one of the better pairings in the film. And

753
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: it's translated so well because Rosie was the only person

754
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: who wasn't having any of Madonna's Uh. During downtime during filming,

755
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: when they were at the stadium and the extras were

756
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: just like broasting under the hot stun hundred degrees in

757
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: the bleachers, Rosie would come out and sing Madonna's songs

758
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: to them in front of Madonna. Megan Kavanaugh, who plays

759
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: Marla Hooch, said Rosie was not afraid of Madonna. She

760
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: did what she wanted to do, and I think Madonna

761
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: loved that. Rosie would sing all of Holiday and Madonna

762
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: would get mad at her and say, don't ever sing

763
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: one of my songs again, And the next day she'd

764
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: come out and sing Vogue. It was so fun to

765
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: watch or do that. I love that Rosie took an

766
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: active interest in the welfare of the extras in the stands.

767
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: She persuaded the production company to hire a stand up

768
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: comic friend of hers to perform for the extras in

769
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: between takes to keep them happy. And while we're on

770
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: the topic of things that the stars did to amuse

771
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: the little people, Hanks apparently did puppet shows from the Dugout. Yeah,

772
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: I know, right, what do you think he did Punch

773
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: and Judy. I really love it if he was into

774
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: some kind of niche puppetry like Balanie's Shadow puppets, or like,

775
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: like he's like Malkovich doing the John cusack and uh

776
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: being John b Akovich with the like insane all four

777
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: limbed marionette thing. It's like the Lion King on Broadway. Yeah,

778
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: and Gina Davis led the cast through songs from Jesus

779
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: Christ Superstar. And while we're on the topic of Rosie o'donald,

780
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Jordan's tell us about Rosie O'donald's I forgot our character's name.

781
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: Halfway through that, Jordan tell us about Marla. No, Jordan

782
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: tell us about is her name? I got it? I

783
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: got it. Don't don't help me, don't help me. Yes,

784
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: Rosie Odonald's character Doris Murphy bouncer turned ballplayer was written

785
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: especially for her because Rosie originally auditioned for the character

786
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: of Marla Hooch but lost out when casting directors found

787
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: Megan Kavanaugh, who was just perfect for that role. I mean,

788
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: no one, no notes, no one else could have done

789
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: that better. So instead they invented, or at least tailored

790
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: this character of Doris for Rosie to bring her comedic

791
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: talents to the movie. And we met you this earlier.

792
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: According to Rosie, at least her part was supposed to

793
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: be much smaller than was ultimately filmed, but Penny Marshall

794
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: supposedly gave her extra scenes because she was the only

795
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: person on the set, another Outer Borough lady who could

796
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: decipher her thick bronx accent, so I guess Penny liked

797
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: having her around. Um. Now, the players in this movie

798
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: probably could have played a major league game by the

799
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: time the shoot had wrapped. They apparently trained eight hours

800
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: a day, six days a week for this is the

801
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: figure I saw seven and a half months. So Deborah

802
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: Winger saying, no, they didn't train hard enough. Screw you.

803
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: That's insane. That's that's like, that's really nuts. And even

804
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: when they were on the set. They were instructed to

805
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: play real baseball games in the background so they could

806
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: film b role in addition to you know, acting as

807
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: a good way for the group to bond. Temperatures were

808
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: upwards of ninety degrees during most of these game days,

809
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: and the women were forced to wear ara specific uniforms

810
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: made of wool, which was really hot. Plus, they couldn't

811
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: use batting gloves because they didn't exist in the forties,

812
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: and instead of using modern, relatively comfy based all mits,

813
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: they used old air specific unwebbed mits, which made everything

814
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: a lot more dangerous because they were harder to use

815
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: to catch stuff. And for close ups when they were

816
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: hitting balls into the direction of the camera crew, they

817
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: use soft balls that had like a spongy center so

818
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: that the camera people didn't get beamed or that be

819
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: really expensive cameras didn't get damaged. But for the rest

820
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: of the movie it was the real deal. They were

821
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: using real balls, and this had dire consequences sometimes. About

822
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: two weeks before filming was set to start and Ramsey,

823
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: who played first base woman Helen Haley, was injured when

824
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: a ball hit her in the face. She told espnW

825
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: it was the first day that we switched from modern

826
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: day mits to authentic vintage mits from the forties. The

827
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: coach throws me the ball and maybe the fourth time

828
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: you threw it, it just slips and hits me. They

829
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: took me to the hospital and they had to reset it,

830
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: and my nose has not been the same since. But

831
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: who cares, she says, And apparently Penny Marshall told her

832
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: that if her nose didn't look great after the reset,

833
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: they were just going to write that injury into the script,

834
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: but thankfully it never came to that. That was not

835
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: the only injury on the set. Laurie Petty claims that

836
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: she broke her foot while filming, and Penny Marshall recalls

837
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: her filming scenes while wearing a cast and rosey O'donnald

838
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: played with broken fingers. And that's not all. I mentioned

839
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: earlier that the women trained to slide into bases by

840
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: using suburban slipping slides, but when they got out onto

841
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: the field, it was a bit tougher because at the

842
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: top of the episode they were playing in skirts, which

843
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: are not exactly conducive to sliding. In fact, in real

844
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: life and in the movie, these outfits often left legs

845
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: bruised and bleeding. Again. This is because in real life,

846
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: the uniforms were designed by Wrigley's art designer, ODIs Shepherd,

847
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: who was a guy better equipped to design gum rappers

848
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: rather than sports safety gear. So these atoms were designed

849
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: to look good but not very practical. Uh So, the

850
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: crew tried to teach the players to slide on slipping slides,

851
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: but not one but two cast members and I've also

852
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: seen possibly as many as three suffered concussions after crashing

853
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: into each other while sliding. Megan Kavanaugh and Tracy Reiner

854
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: were the ones I was able to nail down. And

855
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: then there's a scene in the movie when one of

856
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: the players, Alice Gaspers, has this grotesque, horrendous bruise that's

857
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: being photographed in the team dug out. Uh, that's real.

858
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: That was an actual consequence of sliding into third base

859
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: in a skirt. And Tracy Reyner later told ESPN W

860
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: and that was real. There was not one pinch of makeup.

861
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: She had that bruise for like ten years and yeah

862
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: it looks I know, I yeah, it's pretty horrendous. I

863
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: have not seen this movie in a long time and

864
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: have a vivid memory of them icing that, yeah, yeah,

865
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: it's gruesome. It's pretty gruesome. So yeah these again, Debor Winger,

866
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: screw you. We're going to take a quick break, but

867
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more too much information in

868
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: just a moment. I can't believe we made it this

869
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: far in this episode without talking about one of my

870
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: favorite characters from this movie, the loudmouth, sarcastic baseball scout

871
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: named Ernie Cappadino, played by the inimitable John Lovetts. The

872
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: part was written specifically for him, and he modeled his

873
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: looking wardrobe after his own grandfather. And uh, you'll remember

874
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: he comes to the family barn to recruit Dotty, only

875
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: to find that she's going about her farm chores and

876
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: there's a cow in the background, moving loudly and generally

877
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: causing a ruckus as he's making his pitch to Dottie

878
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: to join the baseball league, and ultimately he screams at

879
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: the cow, will you shut up? And that line of

880
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: guests was ad libbed. Um. Apparently the cow was giving

881
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: birth at that moment that the scene was being filmed,

882
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: and the cow's owners ended up naming the calf Penny

883
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: after Penny Marshall. Which I love. Many of John Lovett's

884
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: lines in this movie were ad libbed, including the bit

885
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: where he leaves Dottie, Kit and Marla at the tryouts,

886
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: saying that he was going home to give his wife.

887
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: I can't bring myself to say this, but I guess

888
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: I have to a little pickle tickle. I hate that.

889
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't find that funny at all. But Laurie Petty

890
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: might have found it funny because she told Vulture that

891
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: she had to bite her tongue to avoid laughing at

892
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: scenes with Lovetts, and ultimately she caused herself to bleed

893
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: because she was stifling her laugh so hard. Um. Originally,

894
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: loves His part was supposed to be a lot bigger,

895
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: with scenes that weren't purely comic, but they were cut

896
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: during the lengthy trimming process of this movie, which we'll

897
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: talk about in a minute when it's run time was

898
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: basically halved, and it was cut because test audiences responded

899
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: so well to John Lovis's characters one liners that Penny

900
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: Marshall basically trimmed out everything that wasn't jokes and essential

901
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: plot points, and Lovitz was understandably upset by this, and

902
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: he complained to Penny Marshall about all these scenes getting cut,

903
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: and she responded by saying, you're in the film just enough.

904
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: It's just it's to be. I guess he's more of

905
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: a spice than a main chorus. I suppose that's such

906
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: a great shootdown. You're in the film the right right exactly.

907
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: I love this detail. I guess when John Lovitz found

908
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: out that Madonna had checked into their hotel under a pseudonym,

909
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: he registered under one to the pseudonym was Edna, who

910
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: add not a very highly developed sense of humor here,

911
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: but he did one thing, and he did it well.

912
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: Speaking of things that got left on the cutting room floor,

913
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: not much in the initial cut of this movie. Four

914
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: hours long? How do you even do that? How do

915
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: you turn in a major studio film it's four hours long? Yeah?

916
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't understand how this was a lot to happen,

917
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: because scripts, I mean scripts give you a pretty decent

918
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: idea of how long a movie is going to be.

919
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: It's like roughly a minute of page. So yeah, I

920
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: don't really understand. Maybe they did a lot of rewrites

921
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: and additions on the fly, but good god, four hours

922
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: to get down to a much more manageable two hours

923
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: eight minutes. For the theatrical release, Marshall had to cut

924
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of stuff and even a

925
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: few subplots. One of these is an extended version of

926
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: the scene at the subs Bucket. Just such a delightful scene.

927
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: I actually love that scene, which is about that the

928
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: team sneaks out to visit poisoning their chaperone if I recall, right,

929
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: I know. Also we need talk about this. I love

930
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: this scorn with which they treat that child like Angel

931
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: what was his name? Yeah, yeah, Angel, Wilmur's Wilmer Angel

932
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: or something like that. Oh Man. In the cut scenes,

933
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: Jimmy Dugan shows up and helps talk Kick through a

934
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: bet that she made with this Towney, which is if

935
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: he can get a hit off of one of her pitches,

936
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: he gets a few minutes alone with her in his truck.

937
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: Gross but probably era appropriate. Also, there was a whole

938
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: plot line related to the SuDS Bucket scene about Marla

939
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: getting married to the man she meets at the roadhouse

940
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: and getting pregnant, and then, not wishing to jeopardize her

941
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: ball playing career, she keeps it a secret from management,

942
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: and then a player slides into a base that she's

943
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: guarding on a double play, and she's carried out on

944
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: a stretcher. Uh, so understandable why they cut that one. Yeah, yeah,

945
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: I didn't remove every trace of it because the scene

946
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: when Bob comes back and surprises Dottie if she's sitting

947
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: in the bed crying, and that was apparently because she

948
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: was still rattled from that moment. I don't think they

949
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: ever explained why she's actually crying in the movie. No,

950
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: they don't. Yeah, that's that's why we haven't actually mentioned

951
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: this guy, Bob, who is Dottie's husband, who is in

952
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: He's kind of a non character really, he is is

953
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: serving and comes home wounded towards like the final third

954
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: of the movie. It's so wise that they cast Pullman

955
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: because he's so like pleasantly inoffensive that he is the

956
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: perfect emblematic stereotype of this like midwestern nothing guy. You know,

957
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: he's so incredibly forgettable in this movie, Like I mean, yeah,

958
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: probably by the sign. Yeah, it's a skill. And so

959
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: there was another scene that was cut of Dottie talking

960
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: to Kit and she is explaining Madonna's character's nickname. The

961
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: Madonna's character's name is may More to beato and her

962
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: nickname is May All the Way, which is a fun

963
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: slut shaming nickname. And so Dottie is explaining to Kit

964
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: why she's a bad influence with loose morals. Uh. She

965
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: tells Kit that sex should come after marriage and it

966
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: is more of an obligation than something that people do

967
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: for fun, which again ever appropriate but also very weird.

968
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: And if you are interested in that, you can see

969
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: them on the DVD and or Blu ray releases. Speaking

970
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: of Dottie and romance and sizzling sexual chemistry. You know,

971
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: the Hanks Davis, we didn't talk about this, so there's

972
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: a lot of spoken there's a lot of heat. There's

973
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: such a great arc that the two of them have,

974
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: Dottie and Dugan Davis Hanks. They gradually begin to respect

975
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: each other a little bit more. Their relationship changes that

976
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: he has that lovely speech where he talks about, you know,

977
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: he would give anything to get just one minute of

978
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: his playing years back, and she's gonna throw that all away. Um.

979
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: But in the original cut of the movie, the four

980
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: hour Marshall cut, as I've decided to call it just now,

981
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: they kiss and this happens after Dottie watches Jimmy at

982
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: batting practice and he goes to kiss her and she's

983
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: not having it, and that is supposedly the real reason

984
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: that she quits the team, and their whole relationship is

985
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: fleshed out so much more in this cut um and

986
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: all this cut scenes. She apparently married him the night

987
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: he got drafted. Are married married her husband? Yeah, married

988
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: Bob Bill Pullman the night he got drafted, which is

989
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: I guess maybe kind of some kind of dog whistle

990
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: that their relationship is one of the obligation or you know,

991
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: I just watched The Hours and there's that whole speech

992
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: in the Hour is about that Julian Moore gives about

993
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: like it kind of gets it this weird thing about

994
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: like she says, she's talking to uh Toni Collette's character

995
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: the neighbor, and she's like, you know, our husband's like,

996
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: don't they deserve this after everything that they did and

997
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: came home And it's like there's an interesting dimension there

998
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: about whether or not she feels obligated to marry him.

999
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, So that makes her bond with

1000
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: Dugan based on the love of the game maybe a

1001
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: little as a new dimension to that. But according to

1002
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: Megan Kavanaugh, the actress, the scene was cut because quote,

1003
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: it was very upsetting to the real women players. Apparently,

1004
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: Davis's character was married and it upset these players that

1005
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: she would kiss another man while her husband was at war.

1006
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: But ultimately, I think we both agree that the lack

1007
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: of the romantic subplot adds to the overall tone of

1008
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: the movie because it keeps the focus on the players.

1009
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: It keeps the focus on the game, doesn't Yeah, exactly,

1010
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: you draw You draw the comparison to Legally Blonde, where

1011
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: they had a big, old cliche kiss moment at the end,

1012
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: and they cut it so that they can focus on,

1013
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, her achievements in law school. So right decision,

1014
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: I think. But ultimately I would still watch for that

1015
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: four hour cut. And this brings us finally to the

1016
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: end of the movie. And for a brief plot recap

1017
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: Kit and Dottie. Kit has been traded to a different

1018
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: team and so those teams are now playing each other

1019
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: in the World Series, and Kit is racing towards home

1020
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: Plate with the World Series on the line. Dottie is

1021
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: at home Plate as the catcher, waiting to be thrown

1022
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: the ball to tag her sister out, and you know,

1023
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: the conflict comes together in a tremendously literal way with

1024
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: kid crashing into Dottie at home plate and there's a

1025
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: very pointed shot of her hand hitting the ground while

1026
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: holding the ball, and the ball falls out of her hand,

1027
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: and so Kit wins the game, finally comes out of

1028
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: the shadow of her older sister for you know, for

1029
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: the first time in her life. And I just watched this,

1030
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: so it's very fresh in my mind, and that was

1031
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: the first thing that immediately leaked to my head was

1032
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: this is shot in such an interesting way that it

1033
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: allows you to bring whatever interpretation that you want to it.

1034
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: And that's what's so nice about the writing of it

1035
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: as well, because they never telegraph that in the any

1036
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: of their interactions after that, about whether or not she

1037
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: intentionally dropped it or if it actually fell out of

1038
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: her hand. Authentically, they don't force it, they don't overplay it.

1039
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: It's just it's a beautiful little moment of ambiguity. Um.

1040
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: And because we can't have nice things, people have spent

1041
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: the intervening thirty years trying to force an answer there. Um.

1042
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: You can fall on the camp that Dottie drops the

1043
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: ball on purpose, knowing that she's going to leave the

1044
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: league to return to her life with as you call him,

1045
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: boring Bob, while she knows that Kit presumably wants to

1046
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: continue her athletic career and has so much more at stake,

1047
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: So Dottie takes the proverbial dive so that her sister

1048
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: can be a hero. You can google this. There's so

1049
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: many articles that go into this. People have speculated that

1050
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: she had taken some time off from the league when

1051
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: Bob came back, so she was out of practice. Um.

1052
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: They put a lot of stock in the fact that

1053
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: she tells the picture beforehand to throw a fastball because

1054
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: Kit can't hit him, can't lay off him. Um. And

1055
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: there are even some who have put a lot of

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00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: stock in the scene at the beginning of the movie

1057
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: where her grandkids are playing basketball in the driveway and

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00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: she first says to the older one, now, remember, no

1059
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: matter what your brother does, he's littler than you are.

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00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: Give him a chance to shoot, and then sato voice,

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00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: she says to the younger one, kill him. So I

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00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier seconds ago, Even that I think the film

1063
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: plays is very ambiguous. What do you think? Yeah, I

1064
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: mean that moment when she tells the picture to throw

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00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: a fastball because she can't hit him and can't lay

1066
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: off of I mean, it seems like she wants to

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00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: triumph over her sister have shared her Achilles heel if

1068
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: she didn't. Yeah, and that's kind of I actually really

1069
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: like that notion because then it it's I mean, you know,

1070
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm in favor of the thunderdome, the sanctity of competition.

1071
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: So I love the idea that the women got so

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00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: close to this, they love the game so much that

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00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: they were like, well maybe maybe my sister, Yeah, but

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00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. That bit at the opening is interesting too,

1075
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: sort of gives the opposite theory because it's like, you know,

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00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: all right, you're the older one, do you be cognizant

1077
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: of that? And then tell them the little one give

1078
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: it everything you got, showing no mercy and really pushing

1079
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: for like one to give them a platform. Yeah, that's

1080
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: an interesting Checkout's gun I gotta say. But you know,

1081
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: we're still talking about a thirty years later. The Internet

1082
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: still talking about it. The cast is also still talking

1083
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: about it. Lori Petty, who played Kit, is of course

1084
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: predictably offended by the notion of these theories. She says,

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01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: they're insane. I kicked her ass um. Actor Biddy Shram,

1086
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: on the other hand, believes that Dottie did drop the

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01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: ball on purpose, although he as the caveat. He said,

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01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: I would say subconsciously yes, because Dottie knew how much

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01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: more it meant to Kit, and she was too good

1090
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: of a player. But Gina Davis herself says she knows

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01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: the answer and she ain't saying she told espnW. I'll

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01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: say two things about that. Number One, I know the

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01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: answer because it was me. Of course I know the answer.

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01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: And number two, no, I'm not going to answer that question.

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01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: I never have and I never will. So let's take

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01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: this all the way back to old documentary and Kelly

1097
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: kenal A who co directed the Agapabla documentary on PBS

1098
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: that kicked off this whole thing. So his mother and

1099
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: his aunt were players in the league and crucial to

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01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: the creation of the Dotty and Kit characters. So if

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01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: anyone can shed some light on this situation, it's Kelly.

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: And he said that while there were traces of sibling

1103
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: rivalry between them quote to some extent, he says that

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01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: neither would ever throw a game. My mom would never

1105
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: have dropped the ball. Ever. I always tell people that.

1106
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: People say, oh, she did it on purpose, isn't that

1107
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: nice and sweet? She let her sister win. No one

1108
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: would do that. The betrayal of your own teammates, not

1109
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: to mention the betrayal of your own integrity. You ask

1110
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: yourself when I betray my teammates like that in a

1111
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: World Series game? So my Brady's sister could win? Ouch?

1112
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it makes no sense. It absolutely makes no sense. Psychologically,

1113
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: it makes no sense. Morally, it makes no sense. It's condescending.

1114
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: If you knock someone over and knock the ball out,

1115
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: that's baseball. What do you think? I don't think she

1116
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: threw it. I really don't. I think it's so crucial

1117
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: to the film's theme that they found such a sense

1118
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: of identity and purpose and love of this game that

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01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: they wouldn't compromise that for anything, and that it was

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01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: a genuine moment of competition of sport. You know, do

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01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: you like Huey Lessons? Um? Yeah, I mean I I

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01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't um. My sisters for years, younger,

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01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: TH mean, we've never played sports or anything together, So

1124
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot going there's I don't really have that

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01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: dimension in into it, but um, yeah, I don't know

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01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: what about you. I yeah, no, I completely agree with

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01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: you to the point that I actually into researching for

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01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: this episode. It had never even occurred to me that

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01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: she would have dropped it on purpose. I always thought

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01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: that she really did just drop it. Uh yeah, I

1131
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: just think because your commitment to the game was so total. Yeah,

1132
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: I just really was never something that occurred to me

1133
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: until until now. Well, um, I don't have a segue

1134
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: for that. Well, speaking of winning artists, one quite a bit, well,

1135
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: at least in the hearts and minds of movie lovers everywhere.

1136
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: Legallar made history upon its release on July one, becoming

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01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: the first movie directed by Aman to gross over a

1138
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. While in theaters, it brought in a

1139
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: hundred and seven point five million ino and ultimately made

1140
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: over a hundred and thirty two million, and it's apparently

1141
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: the only baseball film to pass a hundred million dollars

1142
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: at the box office, which makes it the highest grossing

1143
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: film in the sub genre, out ranking Chadwick Boseman's forty two,

1144
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt's Moneyball and many others that I mentioned at

1145
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: the top of the episode. But while the movies shot this,

1146
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shocked. This a gross Field of Dreams.

1147
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that, I mean, a look at

1148
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: their owns. I think is a lot more family friendly

1149
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: and just a lot more like I don't know, I

1150
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: remember watching The Field of Dreams as a kid and

1151
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: kind of being bored by it, whereas the League of

1152
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: their Own I thought was great. So I don't know,

1153
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: they probably just had more mass appeal. But while the

1154
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: movie seared, there was trouble on the horizon for a

1155
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: TV adaptation that came out a year after the film's

1156
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: release in Despite the love for the film, this did

1157
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: not translate to the small screen. The League of their

1158
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: Own TV show featured movie cast maas Magan Cavitall and

1159
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: Tracy Ryan and reprising their roles as Marla Hooge and

1160
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: Betty Spaghetti. But still m getting big time like aftermash

1161
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: vibes here, Yeah the show League of their Own. The

1162
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: TV show was not successful, and only five out of

1163
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: the six episodes were ever aired on CBS. So have

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01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: you seen them? No? Maybe the Amazon mini series that's

1165
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: coming out later this year we'll do better. I hope

1166
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: it does. It seems to be shaping up to be

1167
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: pretty good. So a league of their own, delighted fans

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01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: all over the world, and has inspired a generation of

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01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: ball players sports fans. Is anyone really but perhaps most

1170
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: importantly the real life women who are honored in the film.

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: We're really happy with the movie to the real life

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01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: Dottie told espn W. When I saw the film, I

1173
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: thought to myself, that came out. Well, it was a

1174
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: shock see just how well it was doing. It's always

1175
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: one of the top sports movies of all time. It's

1176
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: exciting to have been part of something that struck a

1177
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: cultural nerve and lived on in people's minds. It seems

1178
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,479
Speaker 1: like everybody still grows up having seen that movie. And

1179
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: thankfully Kelly Condale, the filmmaker who made the documentary that

1180
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: set the story in motion, he got to watch the

1181
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: film one time with his mother, who inspired the whole story,

1182
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: who was in the late stages of cancer by the

1183
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: time the movie had premiered. She would die of the

1184
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: year the movie came out, but they got to watch

1185
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: it together once and he said that she liked it. Obviously,

1186
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: it was just a bittersweet ear for me. I wish

1187
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: you could have been healthy, But at least she liked

1188
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: the movie. So it was a nice tribute there to

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: his mother and all these women who you know, we

1190
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: said it so of the episode, we're really unsung. Very

1191
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: few people knew that this league existed, and um, I

1192
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: think now it's important to tell their story and inspire

1193
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: young girls who were just starting to get into the

1194
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: game themselves. Yeah. I mean, I think because of that,

1195
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we talked about, like the cutting

1196
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: of the romantic subplot, that ambiguity about the dropping the

1197
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: ball thing, this movie four grounds the love of the

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01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: game in a way that that movie called the Love

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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: of the Games could not. And um, that's like the

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Speaker 1: most important thing that you can do in a sports movie,

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01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: I think. I mean sports movies pun intended swing for

1202
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: the fences like all the time, but I think all

1203
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: the best ones really get at the heart of what

1204
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: it means to love something that intensely and give up

1205
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: so much of yourself to something, and to be able

1206
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: to do that in a way that shines light on

1207
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: the historical figures. To boot, it's a it's a triple double.

1208
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: How's that for seventeen mixed sports metaphors in a row.

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Speaker 1: Suck it, other podcasters. Thanks for listening, folks. I'm Alex

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Speaker 1: Eagle and I'm Jordan run Talk. We'll catch you next time.

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Speaker 1: The supervising producer Mike John's. The show was researched, written

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