WEBVTT - The Genius, The Control Freak and The Tragic Wedding Day 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:03.560 Falling in love is the best feeling in the world. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.600 You see stars, you feel giddy, But sometimes that makes 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:13.000 you do crazy things, and sometimes that means murder. Just 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.840 because the story starts out with once upon a Times 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:20.640 doesn't mean it ends happily ever after. Welcome to Crazy 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.960 and Love, a production of Katie Studios and I Heart Radio. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.280 Today's guests are producer Jeff Shane and Emmy Award winning 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:33.720 true crime podcast producer and host Lauren Bright Pacheco. Lauren 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.320 co hosted, narrated, and produced the critically acclaimed first season 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:41.839 of Happy Face, Murder in Oregon, and The Murders at 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.479 White House Farm Podcasts. She is currently working on a 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:51.920 new podcast, Murder in Miami, episode The Case of the Genius, 0:00:52.720 --> 0:01:00.880 the Control Freak, and the Tragic Wedding Day. Annie Lee 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:05.039 was born in San Jose, California. Her parents immigrated from 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.479 Vietnam and always had dreams their daughter would become successful. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.720 From a young age, Annie seemed like she would live 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:16.280 up to her parents aspirations. Described by friends as sweet, spunky, 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.800 and smart. Annie had a four point to eight g 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.240 p A and was her high school's valedictorian and voted 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:27.280 to be quote the next Einstein by her classmates. With 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.360 her pick of colleges, Annie accepted a hundred and sixty 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.959 thousand dollars in scholarship money to attend University of Rochester, 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:39.240 where she majored in cell development biology and minored medical anthropology. 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.480 While in college, Annie found a good balance between her 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:48.080 studies and making friends. She was known as upbeat, friendly, 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:52.480 and always smiling. Both their teachers and friends said what 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:57.240 made Annie unique was her personality. While she worked hard 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.400 and cared immensely about school, she was also energetic and boisterous. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.120 One friend remembered Annie as quote a mouse that roared 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.359 in Rochester. During her freshman year, a friend introduced Annie 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.720 to Jonathan Waldwaski. She immediately felt drawn to the Long 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.000 Island native, but at first they were strictly friends. As 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:26.280 time evolved, it became romantic. As the pair got serious, 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.520 they both decided to go to different graduate schools, which 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.200 for Annie was a difficult decision as she didn't want 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:39.160 to leave Jonathan, but Jonathan supported her career wholeheartedly. He 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.760 would never want her to pick between him and her job. 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.480 Following their college graduation in May two thousand seven, Annie 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.680 had it to Yale University for her graduate program. Jonathan 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.160 headed to Columbia to get his doctorate in physics, Almost 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.919 two hours away from each other. The distance would be hard, 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.640 but with buses and trains, the couple was committed to 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.079 making at work pet Yale. Annie's plan was to earn 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:07.000 a doctorate in pharmacology. She dreamt of one day helping 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:11.560 cure diabetes and cancer. In July two nine, after dating 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.799 for more than six years, Jonathan took Annie out for 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.080 a day of their favorite activities. They took a walk 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.720 in the park, had an all chocolate party, followed by 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:26.120 gathering with friends. Then Jonathan got on one knee and proposed, 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.880 Here's Jeff. So the wedding was on for the fall 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.800 of two thousand and nine at the north Woods Club 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.360 in say Asta, New York, and Annie and Jonathan planned 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.040 to exchange their vows in a beautiful outdoor garden setting 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.120 that included a coy, ponds and a waterfall. Sounds just lovely. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.600 While the wedding sounded great, Annie did joke to her 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.440 friends that Jonathan was upset he would have to miss 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.000 a New York Giants game to get married, But I 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:52.680 think was just a joke. And they were both very 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.920 excited about the upcoming actuals. Annie specifically, she was described 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.800 as a girlie girl. She loved to go shopping and 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.400 especially shoes, so she was very excited to get her 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.040 wedding dress and to get to be the beautiful, blushing bride. Lauren, 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:06.960 do you know anything else about the couple and their 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:11.360 upcoming wedding, Well, they seemed very romantic and adorable. Their 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.360 special song was Jason Mraz's Lucky, and one lyric in 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.080 particular stuck out to the couple, and that was lucky, 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.240 I'm in love with my best friend, which I think 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:27.520 speaks volumes. You know. Jonathan's sister said that she knew 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.080 that they would be together forever when Jonathan actually let 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.640 Annie cut his hair. And you know, between school and 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:39.200 her fiance and friends, Annie was really really busy. But 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.440 that said, you know, her friends described her as a 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.840 world wind of energy. But no matter how busy she got, 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.839 apparently she was the kind of person who always had 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.719 time to prioritize her friends. She was a great friend 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.720 and the kind of person who offered to help her 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:01.679 friends with their resumes, personal state mints, and cover letters 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.799 as they applied for internships and jobs. So as busy 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.880 as she was, she was also very motivated to show 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.360 up for other people in a really meaningful way. And 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.920 I think, you know that's reflected in the kind of 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:21.120 relationship she had with Jonathan. They were best friends on 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.479 top of being soulmates. That's great. I'm always an off 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.440 people who can kind of be very successful in their 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.719 professional life their personal life and still managed to help 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.279 other people. I mean, it's amazing that it sounds like 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.839 she kind of did it all, and you know, with 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.280 the intention of wanting to cure cancer one day. She 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.720 was really driven and just seemed by all accounts to 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.520 be a really principled good person, right, Like she had 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.040 so much drive, but that that didn't stop her from 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.159 also being an empathic, functioning member of society. Like she 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.279 wasn't a one track mind. She could kind of balance 0:05:54.680 --> 0:06:00.480 both sides of her life absolutely. With a hundred sixty 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.279 wedding invitations sent out, the wedding was starting to feel 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.839 more real. Things seem to be going well. But could 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:11.880 hyper organized and thoughtful Annie be getting cold feet? Pre 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:17.120 wedding jitters are completely normal. I mean I had them myself. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.279 I remember losing a ton of weight before the wedding, 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.039 and not necessarily even in a good way. And you know, 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:27.880 I wasn't alone that I think it's of women report 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:32.240 having some kind of apprehension or cold feet before their wedding, 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.680 And Lauren, it's interesting you point that out, because despite 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.200 them being common, those signs should not necessarily be ignored. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.599 We did a little digging and found that newly wed 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.120 wives who were plagued by doubt before the wedding were 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.640 two and a half times more likely to get divorced 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.800 four years later than wives who were certain they were 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.040 making the right choice. So basically, that says that if 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.200 you're not sure before the wedding, it doesn't bode well 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.480 for the longevity of the marriage. True, but I mean 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:02.920 I think that everybody has insecurities or tiny little bit 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:07.760 of nagging doubts. But whether or not this couple had them, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.560 who knows. By all accounts, it seemed that they were 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.680 the perfect couple. Yeah. I think people surmised later that 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.800 maybe Annie had some cold feet, but again, that's normal, 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.880 and she has so much on her plate, and she's 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.800 been you know, long distance from Jonathan for so long, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.400 so maybe it was you know, we haven't been together 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.880 in the same room as a couple in you know, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.160 for a long time. Maybe that was causing some pause 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:37.080 in her mind. And keep in mind she had huge ambitions. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:41.320 I mean, during cancer isn't a small ambition. So she 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:46.080 was obviously of a career track mind as well, and 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.040 maybe when push came to shove, she was afraid that 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:55.120 the relationship could derail her ambitions in terms of succeeding. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.400 On September eight, two nine, just five days before the wedding, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.120 Annie left her apartment and wrote a shuttle bus that 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.200 took her the two miles to Yelle Sterling Hall of Medicine. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.040 She was wearing a green top, brown skirt and brown 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.360 penny loafers. And when she got there and he swiped 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.800 her key card at ten or nine am, then she 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.960 went down to her lab for what she thought would 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.280 be a normal day at work. At p m, a 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.400 fire alarm went off, causing the entire building to evacuate. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.760 According to witness Raymond Clark, who worked as a lab technician, 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.240 Annie left the building between twelve thirty and twelve forty 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.559 five during the evacuation in her lab coat. After that, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.280 Annie seemed to vanish into thin air. By eight pm, 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.400 Annie still hadn't come home, and her roommate Natalie started 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.160 to get concerned. Natalie tried to get ahold of the 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:54.080 young woman, to no avail. An hour later, Natalie called 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.680 Jonathan to ask if he'd heard from Annie. Jonathan told 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.800 Natalie hadn't spoken to Annie since a m that morning, 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.599 when she was on her way to work. Jonathan and 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:07.280 Natalie took turns calling friends and family, but no one 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:12.240 had heard from Annie. At midnight, Now officially scared, Natalie 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:16.400 called campus police to report Annie missing. Take a listen 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:20.040 to the police's initial reaction to her disappearance. We have 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:26.520 many physical security items in place to help us with 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:33.640 this investigation, to include over seventy cameras. So the next morning, 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.360 after Annie goes missing, the police go to her office 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.960 in the lab and find to see what's going on, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.160 and they find no signs of a struggle. What they 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.480 do find, though, is her keys, her purse, and her 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.200 cell phone. Her wallets, stelled cash, and her credit cards 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.120 were still inside. Having covered a fair amount of these cases, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.679 that's the first thing kind of cops look at, is 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.840 this a robbery? And if all of her valuables are 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.720 still including cash. It seems like it probably wasn't the 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:01.880 only think missing. What from her stuff though, was her 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:05.439 yale I D and key lab card. Police also started 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.680 to looking at herself one records and she hadn't made 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.440 any calls after ten am, and remember she's last seen 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.240 around twelve thirty according to that witness Raymond. But without 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.720 her idea or phone, it seemed unlikely that she would 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.480 have gone off on her own, and it seemed more 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.920 likely that something nefarious had happened to Annie. I would 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.240 think that campus would have strict security in these labs, Lauren, 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.280 I mean, what do you think about that? Yeah, you know, 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:31.840 particularly because this was a research lab that relied heavily 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.400 on the use of animals for testing, and you know, 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.720 so the lab had to have tight security because the 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:44.240 concern was that, you know, angry animal right protesters could 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:49.360 break in. So because of that, there were a decent 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.600 amount of security cameras on the outside of the building. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:57.400 So campus police had footage of Annie walking into the building, 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.160 but unfortunately that's kind of where it ends. They didn't 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.840 have the same kind of security camera presence inside the building. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.920 So you know, once she was in the building, there 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.360 were limited cameras, and they basically lost track of her. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:17.160 But you know, the interesting thing is, remember the fire alarm, 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.959 It is conceivable that Annie could have been you know, 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.800 taken out of a side door during the confusion, and 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:28.040 so that was initially a thought that she had been 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.920 removed from the building. But also keep in mind, staying 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:37.200 safe was really really important to Annie, and not by 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.240 any small you know, relation to her physicality. She was 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:46.679 only four foot eleven inches and only nine pounds, so 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.120 you know, look, she knew that she was not exactly 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.880 a formidable threat to anybody who would do her harm, 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.640 and that was something that had concerned her because earlier 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.440 that very year she had even written an article for 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:07.040 the Yale Medical School magazine and it was titled Crime 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.960 and Safety in new Haven, and in that article she 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:15.079 actually wrote and offered tips about how to avoid being 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:20.199 quote another statistic which is just a heartbreaking footnote to 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:24.400 this whole thing. And you know, despite being a prestigious school, 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.000 Yale is in new Haven, and new Haven is not 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:35.200 exactly a safetown. It has a violent history, particularly with 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.200 you know, street gang violence. And that's one of the 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.640 things that I would have thought that even more than gangs. 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.679 The obvious suspect in this would have to have been 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:53.360 her fiance. It's always the romantic partner that police look 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.240 at first, and so I would have thought that they 0:12:56.280 --> 0:13:02.000 would have examined Jonathan almost from the beginning. We're going 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.559 to take a break, we'll be back in just a moment. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.040 Two days after going missing, Annie's fiance, Jonathan was brought 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.360 in for questioning and he was very emotional when he 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.480 talked to the police. He started crying and he told 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.640 them he had no idea where she could have gone. 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.800 And while police thought maybe she was getting cold feet 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.120 and then she ran off and a runaway bride type situation, 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.920 Jonathan said the opposite. He said she had no idea, 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.280 that she was having reservations about the wedding, and things 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.160 were all great and on track. He also said that 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.040 the last time he spoke was at eight am, and 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.760 police obviously asked him where he was the day she 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.960 went missing, and he told them he had been in 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.800 Manhattan at his apartment with his roommate. He then went 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.560 to campus at Columbia in the afternoon, and New Haven 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.079 and New York City are hours apart, so if he 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.480 was really there, and it seems like he was it 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.920 would be impossible for him to then get over to 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.319 New Haven and do something to Annie. He even took 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.680 a polygraph and passed. Police were even saying publicly that 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.839 he was cooperating with the investigation. So with him kind 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.520 of crossed off the list as a suspect, no one 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.280 really knew who harmed Annie or where she was. Yeah, 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.880 and I mean, you're right, just in terms of the logistics, 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.120 there's no way he could conceivably have transported himself from 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.400 New York City to New Haven, Connecticut. I mean, the 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:39.080 traffic alone would have added hours, So there's absolutely no way. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.040 I find it interesting about the article she wrote. I 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.960 wonder could it be just a very tragic coincidence, or 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.880 was she feeling like she was somehow in danger or 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.240 she was personally feeling threatened and that's what inspired her 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.680 to write that, because what happened to her, and then 0:14:55.720 --> 0:15:00.200 having written that article seems like a very weird, odd coincidence. No, 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:05.440 and necessarily having you know, also being inside the lab, 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.520 you would not have necessarily thought she would be in 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:13.480 danger within the buildings of the institution. But I should 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.600 think that that's a major concern with young women walking 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:22.200 through campus late at night. You're always aware that you 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.880 could become a victim at any point. Particularly again back 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:31.320 to her physicality. She was ninety pounds, so she was 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.520 probably even more conscious of how easily she could become 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.880 a victim. True, And she's also not quote unquote a 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.920 normal student. She's doing something that for some people was 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.120 kind of ruffling some feathers, and so perhaps she was 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.440 targeted because of that, And she was so vulnerable because 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.440 of her small size, like it was easy to pick 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.320 her as the target of you know, our anger about 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:57.320 this lab work. The FBI, Connecticut State Police, and New 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.520 Haven Police were all working tirelessly to look at Annie. 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.160 The first sign of a crime came on September twelve, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.280 two and nine, when luminal was sprayed throughout the research area. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:13.640 Detectives found what's called ghost rings on the wall. Ghost 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.720 Rings appear when someone has attempted to clean up blood splatter. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.800 Detectives now knew that Annie was most likely harmed somewhere 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.880 in the building. The next day, on September two thousand 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:29.320 and nine, what would have been Annie's wedding day, officials 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.480 combed through the building inch by inch inside the men's 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.160 locker room, an odd smell emanated from the wall. At 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.160 five pm, a cadaver dog led investigators to a metal 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.040 plumbing access panel that appeared to have a screw missing 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.720 from it. They immediately removed the loose panel and found 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:51.359 a disturbing site, Annie's lifeless body upside down and decomposing 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:57.520 inside the wall. It's just such a heartbreaking coincidence that 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.960 they find her body on her wedding day, and making 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.640 it even worse. When her body was found, her clothing 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.120 was in disarray, her bra had been pushed up, her 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.560 underwear had been pulled down, and she was missing a 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:16.320 sock that police later found in the hallway ceiling. Everything 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.920 about the crime scene suggested that Annie had been sexually 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:25.359 assaulted and beaten before she was shoved into a wall. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.119 And you know of note, police found Annie's missing I 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.520 D and a green pin next to her body. Yeah, Lauren, 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.760 like you kind of just touched on. Annie was savagely 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.199 murdered and during the optopsy the medical examiner found multiple 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.080 bruises and contusions on her body. She also had a 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.040 broken jaw and collar bone, and a bruise on the 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.800 back of her head. The Emmy concluded that the injuries 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.480 happened while she was alive, which makes this somehow even worse. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.639 They also confirmed that Annie died of manual strangulation after 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.399 she was brutally sexually assaulted again. Back to her size, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.560 how difficult it would have been for her to fight back, 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.760 but all of her defensive wounds were in keeping with 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:14.800 somebody who really fought as hard as she could before 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:19.000 her life was taken away. And after Annie was found, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:25.199 her friends were understandably inconsolable. They held a nighttime vigil 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.879 on the Yale campus and six hundred some odd people 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.479 attended her funeral, so there was a tremendous outpouring of 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:39.920 grief and mourning. And while Jonathan didn't speak at the funeral, 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.720 he did serve as the head rusher and he wore 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.680 what would have been his wedding ring to the funeral. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.320 You know, having covered this story specifically during your time 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.600 in daytime television, do you remember the reaction or the 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.080 feeling when you heard about it, or what people were 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.920 saying when this was happening. None of it made sense. 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.920 It have had to have been an inside job, somebody 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:09.280 who was willing to commit that kind of violence inside 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:14.639 a medical building would have been pretty clear as to 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:20.639 where they could get away with things and where the struggle, 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:25.320 you know, the sound of the struggle would not raise 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.480 immediate suspicion. So they were obviously aware of the security 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.239 in the building. But also think of the clean up. 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.959 It took the police a long time to find those bloodstains, 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.240 and so the person obviously again had access to all 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.280 the things that you would need to clean up a 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:48.600 crime of that magnitude. So I did think that from 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.240 the beginning it did not make sense that a stranger 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.880 had committed the crime. And it also didn't really make 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.240 sense that the fiance had committed the crime, because he 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.760 wouldn't have had add the access in terms of the 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:07.120 security card to get into the places where you would 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.439 have had to have gotten into to commit the crime 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.040 or to hide the body. That's a really good point. 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.159 I also wanted to ask you too. I mean, you've 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.880 covered in your work as a true crime producer very 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.840 grewesome crimes and murders and things like that, and so strangulation, 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.639 what does that say to you as a method of murder? Like, 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.520 what does it say about the killer or the victim? 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:34.520 Or their relationship. I think that strangulation in particular is 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.359 one of the most intimate ways to kill a person 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:42.320 because it is always about power, and there is a 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:46.960 cruelty because you are more often than not killing the 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.760 other person with your bare hands, but you could stop 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:54.760 yourself at any point, and so you're literally taking away 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.760 the person's breath and watching them die in a slow 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.919 and painful way in front of your very eyes. So 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.119 sexual abuse, you know, and of this sort is about 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:11.240 control and power, and the strangulation is another layer on 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.280 a very evil onion of power and inflicting pain and 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:22.359 control over one's victims. Let's stop here for another break. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.440 Going back to strangulation. The first podcast that I did, 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:45.080 Happy Face, covered Keith Hunter, Jesperson and Jus Person was 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:51.840 infamous for strangling and sexually assaulting his victims. And it 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:57.399 inevitably comes out of the need to control, but also 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:04.040 a deep seated insecurity. And that's something that immediately resonated 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:07.520 with me about the way in which Annie was murdered. 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.240 Somebody felt the need to control her. Somebody felt the 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.439 need to put her in a position where they felt 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.640 more powerful and superior. Do you think that the police 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:20.680 would take that information and they use all that in 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.760 their investigation when they're looking at potential suspects who would 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:27.240 have a vendetta against Annie or a desire to harm 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:30.640 her in such a brutal way. I think so because 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.760 it becomes a crime of passion, you know, it becomes 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:39.720 a very personal crime. And that's why I thought that 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.720 the likelihood was she knew the person who took her life. 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.600 Strangling also takes longer I think than people. I think 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.679 it does, and which to me that speaks to and 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:52.760 cart me that's wrong. But I think that speaks to 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:57.400 someone who knows the schedule of other lab workers, other 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.199 people in the building, like they knew they would have 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.639 the time to to execute this murder and then cleaned 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.520 up like you mentioned, which would not be an easy 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:07.680 task now, and so you would have to be pretty 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.400 confident that you weren't going to be discovered in the process. 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.240 Investigators began to look at the entire staff and students 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:20.280 of the five story, twelve thousand square foot building. There 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.320 were approximately one hundred and fifty people who had daily 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.840 access to the lab, and each one was being treated 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:30.439 as a suspect. Most of Annie's co workers were cleared 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:34.280 after eyewitnesses and their access cards determined their whereabouts during 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:38.280 the time period in question. Police heeroed in on around 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:40.800 twenty people who were in the building at the same time. 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:46.359 Annie was without alibies. By now, all students and staff 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:49.680 had been cleared except for two outside contractors and one 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:54.600 lab technician. The lab technician was twenty five year old 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:58.159 Raymond Clark, the same technician who had told police he 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:02.960 had seen Annie leaving during the fire drill. Raymond willingly 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.439 gave his DNA to the police. Twelve hours later, the 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:11.960 results came back a match Raymond Clark's DNA match the 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.879 DNA found at the scene of the crime. On September 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:20.000 sewo thousand and nine, Raymond was arrested and charged with 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.600 Innie's murder. Take a listen to the chief of police 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:26.400 discussing the crime. You know, the only person that really 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.560 truly knows the motive in this crime is the suspect 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.000 what made him do what he did, and we may 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.639 not know to trial who we may never know. It's 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.719 pretty incredible that Raymond not only was speaking to police 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:42.439 this entire time and gave them a pretty important detail, 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:43.919 which is that he saw her leaving the building that 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.120 they used during their investigation, but that he willingly gave 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.159 over d NA knowing that it would most likely come 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.359 back a match. I don't know, I just find that 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.440 very interesting. And something else that's interesting is that remember 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:57.520 that green pen, Lauren, that you mentioned at the scene 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.639 of the crime. That also became a big part nailing 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:04.159 Raymond to this murder. On the sign in sheet the 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.480 morning of the murder, the same one Annie signed in 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:08.280 when she got to the building, like she did every day. 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.560 Raymond signed in with a green pet, but he signed 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:15.600 out that day with a black pet. So it seems 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:19.280 likely that he accidentally left the pen in the wall 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.960 with Annie's body. And it wasn't just the pen, which 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.480 could be considered circumstantial evidence, even though it seems pretty 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.200 damning to him. Police also found traces of Annie's blood 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:31.240