WEBVTT - Thou Shalt Know Happiness

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Daniel Scheffler, and this is everywhere Today's travel commandment,

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<v Speaker 1>thou shalt know happiness. Everything is about happiness, what it

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<v Speaker 1>all means, what it all feels like, and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>how to acquire it. The New York Times publish as

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<v Speaker 1>a piece about happiness every few months. The format might change,

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<v Speaker 1>but the basic premises the same. It is something you

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<v Speaker 1>should be pursuing. Endless amounts of workshops are scheduled across

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<v Speaker 1>the globe, with names like The Simplest Path to Happiness

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<v Speaker 1>or Craft Your Deepest Joy. I noticed that Amazon dot

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<v Speaker 1>Com had specific divisions dedicated to books on obtaining happiness,

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<v Speaker 1>and these titles are even better than the workshops. You

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<v Speaker 1>Are your Happiest Itself or Take Your Path Back to Happiness.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I was, but apparently I needed

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<v Speaker 1>to go back. Remember that episode of Sex in the

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<v Speaker 1>City where Charlotte was in the self help section in

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<v Speaker 1>the Barns and Noble store in Manhattan and she pretends

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<v Speaker 1>she was looking for travel, only to order starting over

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<v Speaker 1>yet again. So apparently happiness used to also be shameful,

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<v Speaker 1>but at a different time. Now, and as someone who

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<v Speaker 1>loves Los Angeles can tell, you here, you are hunting

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<v Speaker 1>for happiness every minute from your uber, from your raiky

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<v Speaker 1>appointment to your juice bar and some healing at the

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<v Speaker 1>ranch in Malibuu. They're all these apps specifically engineered to

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<v Speaker 1>help you find happiness, usually through some meditation for the

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<v Speaker 1>subway or more ex tests of exercising right at home

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<v Speaker 1>in your lounge for a mere six minutes. Or of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually travel to one of these millions of

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<v Speaker 1>wellness retreats where goats can stand on top of you

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<v Speaker 1>for yoga, or you could howl into the sunrise. The

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<v Speaker 1>more you yodel, the happier you'll be. Of course, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense to me, But luckily Bhutan has bigger and

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<v Speaker 1>better plans. In two the country's fourth Dragon king coined

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<v Speaker 1>the phrase gross National Happiness, the g n H. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea was to build a country based on Buddhist spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>values opposed to all this Western materialism usually defined by GDP.

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<v Speaker 1>And decades later, the citizens, from my very limited visitors

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<v Speaker 1>perspective walking around seem happy as you can be. But

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<v Speaker 1>long before Baton decided to give importance to something other

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<v Speaker 1>than I don't know, money and greed. The ancient Greek

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<v Speaker 1>philosopher Aristotle said, happiness is in the meaning and the

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of life, the whole aim and end of human existence.

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<v Speaker 1>And who are we to argue with that? The tricky

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<v Speaker 1>part is, isn't happiness totally subjective? Bhutan reveals these factors

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<v Speaker 1>in the smallest and biggest ways, like the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they cap the amount of people who are proved for

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<v Speaker 1>visas every year because they don't just want the country

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<v Speaker 1>trampled by tourists. And secondly, there's a minimum spend of

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty dollars per person per day, which

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<v Speaker 1>means you have to save up a little to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the country. Basically, it's not a cheap holiday where

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<v Speaker 1>you can just backpack and leave your mark. They want

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<v Speaker 1>tourists to choose it actively and consciously, and therefore they

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<v Speaker 1>hope you'd respect it and value it so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's true I did, and I do so. Before

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<v Speaker 1>arriving at the country's only airport in Paro, Mount Everest

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<v Speaker 1>comes into immaculate view within moments. The plane then descends

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<v Speaker 1>onto one of the most challenging landing strips in the

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<v Speaker 1>whole world, with peaks rising up to sixteen thousand feet

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding us, and then this crazy, notorious turn where rooftops

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<v Speaker 1>are almost clipped by the wings of the plane as

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<v Speaker 1>it touches down. The flight attendant, who was in the

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<v Speaker 1>jump seat right in front of me, proudly told me

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<v Speaker 1>that only eight pilots in the world are skilled enough

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<v Speaker 1>to do this specific landing. It's a great honor for

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<v Speaker 1>them that the pilot is the best in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>When last did anybody say that about a flight? Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>The country is squeezed between a global giant, China, who

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<v Speaker 1>they are mightily wary of, and India, who they pretty

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<v Speaker 1>friendly with, but they remain autonomous in all their dealings.

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<v Speaker 1>The first evidence of this somewhat insular world is they

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<v Speaker 1>have national dress. From the moment you set foot on

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<v Speaker 1>this holy land, almost everyone you see is robed. Men

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<v Speaker 1>wear this knee length robe called it go that's tied

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<v Speaker 1>at the waist and has a pouch for food or

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<v Speaker 1>a dagger or maybe an iPhone, and women wear a

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<v Speaker 1>kira which is ankle length plus a little light outer jacket.

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<v Speaker 1>The Amound Resorts has created a way to see it

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<v Speaker 1>almost the entire country where they've built these five equally

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful Zong inspired Resorts. Zong is a traditional beautiful building

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<v Speaker 1>styled in this specific Butanese way. So they've placed them

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<v Speaker 1>in a sort of circuit formation, the five or dubbed

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<v Speaker 1>Aman Cora, which combines Aman, which is sanscrit for peace

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<v Speaker 1>and cora meaning a circular pilgrimage in Zonka, the Butanese language.

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<v Speaker 1>So Nam who was my guide, and I chatted about happiness,

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<v Speaker 1>and he revealed that for him and his family, they

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<v Speaker 1>live a life where dreams aren't crazy big, they're just

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<v Speaker 1>the right size for finding them. And as John Reid,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the Aman Resorts regional director but also a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a prophet, said to me, you come to Bhutan

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<v Speaker 1>to understand respect for others. The country itself feels like

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<v Speaker 1>a perfectly sized dream opposed to a dictatorship style monarchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Jing Ma Kesar Namja buang Chuk married a commoner and

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<v Speaker 1>runs his country according to kid which is a tradition

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<v Speaker 1>based on the rule of Dharma king whose sacred duty

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<v Speaker 1>is just to care for his people. Then there's this

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<v Speaker 1>modern school system with free and universal education and even

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<v Speaker 1>free healthcare. It's also the only country in the world

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<v Speaker 1>where smoking is completely banned from the outside. There seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be no suffering. It's also just so iconically beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and marvelously peaceful. The statistic so, of course hard to verify,

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<v Speaker 1>but at like thirty miles an hour speed limit, it

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<v Speaker 1>would seem logical that fewer car accidents happen. So Nam

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even understand. When I asked him whether people drink

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<v Speaker 1>and drive, he just said, why would anyone do that? Again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the small things, but then there's also in

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<v Speaker 1>these breath taking the big things, like hiking to Tiger's Nest,

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<v Speaker 1>the most sacred monastery in the country. It's literally perched

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<v Speaker 1>on this cliff in the fluffy clouds. Its name is

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental to understanding the country's reverence for Buddhism. So the

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<v Speaker 1>legend says that in the eighth century, Guru Imposh flew

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<v Speaker 1>hair from Tibet on the back of a tigress, a

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<v Speaker 1>manifestation of his divine consort. His reason for visiting was

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<v Speaker 1>to subdue a demon, and then he eventually decided to

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<v Speaker 1>live in a cave for three years, three months and

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<v Speaker 1>three days while atating and in this is where they

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<v Speaker 1>built this iconic monastery. Day to day life here is simple.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people work in the small cities, and it's mainly agriculture, forestry,

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<v Speaker 1>and then of course tourism plus the sale of hydro

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<v Speaker 1>electric power to India that keeps the country's economy going.

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<v Speaker 1>But most people embrace this kind of gentler life, one

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<v Speaker 1>where Buddhist values are adhere to in families, to almost

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<v Speaker 1>all activities together. I had lunch at this local family's

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<v Speaker 1>home and the entire family piped in to eat broth,

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<v Speaker 1>served with their national dish, which is this sewee, cheese

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<v Speaker 1>and peppers mix, all served with rice. Everyone sat on

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<v Speaker 1>the floor and before the herbal tea was served, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>shared their favorite story of the day. How's that for

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<v Speaker 1>a hopeful Monday moment. Fresh produce markets are quietly filled

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<v Speaker 1>with local people buying their goods, chatting about the broths

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be preparing at home. And so here

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<v Speaker 1>we have people at their finest, belonging to I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>world order of togetherness, acceptance and tolerance, something that a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny country in Bhutan with mostly I guess a homogenized

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<v Speaker 1>population is able to take great pride in. I just

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<v Speaker 1>so wish the rest of the world could do with

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<v Speaker 1>some of these lessons. Baton, with all its harmony and

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<v Speaker 1>quiet beliefs, functions within the world as its own world.

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<v Speaker 1>The Buddhist prayer flags and iconic red, blue, yellow and

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<v Speaker 1>green colors they littered throughout the country. Every bridge, tree

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<v Speaker 1>and street has them, breathing in the mountain air and

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<v Speaker 1>flapping out pure joy. Some of that's the metaphor I

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<v Speaker 1>have for the country. People might be somewhat different, but

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<v Speaker 1>yet attached to some great ambition for the world. Some

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<v Speaker 1>may even call that happy nous, But what do I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I found my very personal, very Daniel moment of ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>happiness in Western Australia, flying to a little town called Parabado,

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<v Speaker 1>northeast of Perth, where I landed in mining country. I

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<v Speaker 1>looked down from my plane window and I saw this

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<v Speaker 1>rubicund earth and truly not much else. I stepped onto

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<v Speaker 1>the melting tarmac at this tiny bush airport and I

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<v Speaker 1>could smell something dusty and ancient, a life before life

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<v Speaker 1>kind of beauty scent. It is here at this tiny

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<v Speaker 1>building with no gates, where I met Mark Olive, an

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<v Speaker 1>Aboriginal chef from Australia. We had a moment to sit

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<v Speaker 1>down on a little bench right in the Airport almost

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<v Speaker 1>building to talk about nate of ingredients and eating kangaroo. Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is mircoel If. I'm known as the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Boles around Australia and through my TV series, but not

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<v Speaker 1>only that as a judge on the Chef Line as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I'm known for in Australia is about Indigenous food.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're talking indigenous food, you're talking about proteins

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<v Speaker 1>like kangaroo in, crocodile, possums, wallaby, so our indigenous native animals.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, people freak out a little bit that we're

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<v Speaker 1>the only country that eats our coat of arms. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's face it, high protein, extremely tasty. And what we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to remember is in Australia, but not only data

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<v Speaker 1>around the world that for indigenous people it was never

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<v Speaker 1>their coat of arms. It was their actual dreamtime stories,

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<v Speaker 1>it was their totems, it was a life source and

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<v Speaker 1>it was their clothing source as well. So we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to remember that, and I think once we do that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the inn where we start understanding about the food

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<v Speaker 1>of Australia as well. We have an amazing sort of proteins, herbs, spices,

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<v Speaker 1>fruits in Australia and it hasn't been tapped into anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>else in the world. And we're very, very fortunate, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're feel isolated that we're lucky enough to have this head.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's been documented all around Australia through

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<v Speaker 1>paintings and through storytelling oral story generally right around the country.

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<v Speaker 1>In the day, there was over three hundred sixty eight

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<v Speaker 1>communities the indigenous communities that were active in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Travelers often come to places one thing to be parted

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<v Speaker 1>and wanting to understand culture and place and history. Were

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<v Speaker 1>you doing a good job champion the food part of that,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is to me, I feel food is

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<v Speaker 1>such an amazing way into a culture because food becomes

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<v Speaker 1>personal and food is something that brings back memories and essential.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, travelers come to Australia, seek out Indigenous food,

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous chefs, indigenous tasting dinners and stories and that's your

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<v Speaker 1>way in. I'll totally travel as what we have in

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<v Speaker 1>this country's exciting when you say these paperboys, so he's

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<v Speaker 1>really embracing what we've got here. I waved Mark Olive goodbye,

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<v Speaker 1>and now please imagine my face when I arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>the car raintall place, and they give me this badass

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<v Speaker 1>mining car. Now to imagine this vehicle, think Mad Max,

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<v Speaker 1>but a few less skulls. But they were gargantuan headlights,

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<v Speaker 1>tires as tall as I am, and a flag sticking

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<v Speaker 1>out at the back. The flag had an EMU on it.

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<v Speaker 1>The lady at the reception said she could change it

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<v Speaker 1>for a kangaroo if I'd prefer. Apparently those are the

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<v Speaker 1>only choices on offer here. The machine came complete with

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<v Speaker 1>a radio for communication, which I had no clue how

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<v Speaker 1>to use, and many many extra tires, a host of

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<v Speaker 1>surplus supplies, and what looked like a towing facility that

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<v Speaker 1>I hoped I wasn't going to have to employ. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I was wearing my black birken stocks throughout this

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<v Speaker 1>whole adventure, because I was ready for the deepest, greatest

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<v Speaker 1>sandy desert. I was free and untethered, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>let loose into this prehistoric land. Of course, within the hour,

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<v Speaker 1>I had missed the tiny sign I was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>look out for. With no phone service and just a

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<v Speaker 1>hand drawn map that may have needed just one more stemp,

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<v Speaker 1>I was now cruising with some local radio station playing

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<v Speaker 1>what sounded to me like did you redo country music?

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<v Speaker 1>Ozzie girls, Kath and Kim would have been so proud

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<v Speaker 1>of me at this very moment. Look at Marie, Look Marie.

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<v Speaker 1>Right then I slammed on the brakes and they locked.

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<v Speaker 1>As I skidded sideways, just about rick rolling this monster truck.

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<v Speaker 1>I came to dead standstill, right out of any action movie,

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<v Speaker 1>my face touching a handsome kangaroo. Oh hello. He lunged

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<v Speaker 1>his pocket lips at me and bam. Right there, in

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<v Speaker 1>the deepest remote desert, I had my first kangaroo kiss.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my windows open so that the dry air

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<v Speaker 1>could blow through my hair. For hours now, I had

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<v Speaker 1>not seen a single car. I was the out back

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<v Speaker 1>at its finest. The sun was coming down a little

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<v Speaker 1>and the shadows were starting to form. When I arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in a little town, well, what seemed like a little town.

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<v Speaker 1>Giants signs saying turn back now down her, of course

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<v Speaker 1>intrigued me. I skulked a hand and saw a very

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<v Speaker 1>tanned person hanging up their laundry. Oh hello, I was

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<v Speaker 1>sure she was going to offer me a bevy as

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<v Speaker 1>the Aussies say, so, I pulled over, I hop out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I introduced myself with some cheer. She seemed shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody comes. Yes, She tells me it's condemned and the

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<v Speaker 1>government is trying to buy our home and send us

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<v Speaker 1>away as bestos. If I had service at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have googled the words as bestos and the

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<v Speaker 1>little town's name, Wittenoom, and I would probably have returned

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<v Speaker 1>to my car and run off. But she was fascinating,

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<v Speaker 1>and she didn't care about asbestos. She cared more about

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<v Speaker 1>her home, and so she was one of the last

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<v Speaker 1>three remaining residents in this mining town. I oddly admired her.

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<v Speaker 1>She eventually sent me on my way with some directions

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<v Speaker 1>that made sense, and I found my around to the

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<v Speaker 1>pop up dinner that my friend Paul Is Scoff was

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<v Speaker 1>hosting with his further team. Paul and I stand around

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<v Speaker 1>under a tree and talked about the importance of native ingredients.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about eating kangaroo? So we are

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<v Speaker 1>kangaroo when we're in America, and some of the guys

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<v Speaker 1>were a bit wary of eating it, but we got

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in the room to try it, and they thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was delicious. Kangaroo has lesson to sent that's really

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<v Speaker 1>high and high. It's not farm so all the kangaroo

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<v Speaker 1>here is wild harvested. We don't want to fade it

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<v Speaker 1>or give it water. It doesn't have any hormones or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's I guess you could say free range or

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<v Speaker 1>open range. It is really healthy, really delicious, and there

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<v Speaker 1>is an abundance of tangaroos in Australia. When they're holding

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<v Speaker 1>across the country, they actually spread maybe see. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>compact their rounds, whereas cattle kill. Something that I find

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<v Speaker 1>so amazing is that there's this sort of respectful the

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous people of especially Western Australia, where you come into

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<v Speaker 1>contact with people that are native in much bigger numbers

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<v Speaker 1>than when you were in Melbourne, Sydney with the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of touristic parts of Australia. Here, it feels like it's

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<v Speaker 1>so respected and thought about. How did you decide that

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<v Speaker 1>this is how you want to cook? I think a

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<v Speaker 1>really important thing for us was to do it in

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<v Speaker 1>a really respectful way, and us provision and learn from

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional end. These Abiginal people have thousands and thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of years knowledge and they've looked after country and kept

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<v Speaker 1>those grants and animals growing in a really sustainable way.

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<v Speaker 1>So for us it was about our permission and then

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<v Speaker 1>sitting and listening and learning about these plants and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the more we do that we feel

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<v Speaker 1>connected to where we are. But I think people come

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<v Speaker 1>into visit it's a great way to be introducing the

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<v Speaker 1>cultures through food. Each region visiting in wasting in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>is totally different to the others. So some of these

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<v Speaker 1>ingredients are blowing these so called super food exam the

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<v Speaker 1>water so healthy. But I think it's really important for

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<v Speaker 1>especially the chefs using them, to do it in a

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<v Speaker 1>respectful way. And when these foods are purchased, if it's

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<v Speaker 1>Aboriginal people wildhuvest, they get paid failure in that they're

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<v Speaker 1>including the conversation. And I think that in the years

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<v Speaker 1>to come, the world is going to see just how

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<v Speaker 1>incredible Australian foods are. Paul's dinner is a long table

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty overlooking an enormous gorge as Lucy and the

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<v Speaker 1>night sky filled our eyes with diamonds. Paul sends up

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<v Speaker 1>these bush dinners all over Western and Northern Australia, using

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<v Speaker 1>Aboriginal ingredients foraged from the land, and he only works

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<v Speaker 1>with locals, real people. He brings a truck or two

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<v Speaker 1>and sets up a truly pop up kitchen with his

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<v Speaker 1>medley chummy crew. It brings your attention to the beauty

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<v Speaker 1>of the place, sure, but the significance of what local

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<v Speaker 1>and truly from the land means is what you're thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>Whose land is this really? Who foraged here before the

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<v Speaker 1>tattooed hipsters came? And Paul, who grew up with the

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<v Speaker 1>Aboriginals in Western Australia, talks about all of this over dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it so important to eat kangaroo as a

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<v Speaker 1>sustainable meat? How can we respect the land and its

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<v Speaker 1>original people? As I sit watching these courses of unique

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<v Speaker 1>and marvelous ingredients come out from marinated emud to green

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<v Speaker 1>tree antslop, wild flowers, lemon, myrtle, wattle seeds, quandong, sandalwood nuts,

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<v Speaker 1>I could go on. Suddenly I was reminded that no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not at some cool dinner. I'm actually tapping into

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<v Speaker 1>a deeper consciousness of place and people and all that

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<v Speaker 1>actually matters. And yeah, fuck yeah, this is happiness not

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<v Speaker 1>for dummies. Now for a slight respite and I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>right back with everywhere after a word from our sponsors,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for sticking around. Here's more of everywhere. H Holly,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for being here with me today. We're in New

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<v Speaker 1>York and rainy New York talking about happiness. So. I

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<v Speaker 1>spent some time in Bhutan, and one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that stayed with me after being there is that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to measure my life in any other way

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<v Speaker 1>than in a gross happiness index. There's such merit to that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wish that so many other countries could think

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<v Speaker 1>about this and not only see capitalism and commercialism and GDP.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Bhutan has put this beautiful thing in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you spend time there, you realize that every

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<v Speaker 1>citizen believes this thing. They buy into it, and they

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<v Speaker 1>feel that and they measure their life in a totally

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<v Speaker 1>different way they do. The problem, I think is like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to integrate that ideology in the lives that we

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<v Speaker 1>have built is going to be tricky, because, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the history of happiness and how it

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<v Speaker 1>has been viewed, you start to see that particularly like

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<v Speaker 1>Western culture, European and North American culture, we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get the message and we messed it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So for example, in the Christian tradition, happiness was

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<v Speaker 1>originally the state in which Adam and Eve existed before

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<v Speaker 1>they had knowledge. It's just this, you know, state of

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<v Speaker 1>being without all of the detritus in our brains that

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<v Speaker 1>we develop as soon as we start thinking about things

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<v Speaker 1>and in ways that define them and and identify them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's an interesting thing that happened. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in Indo European language, without exception, going all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back to ancient Greek, the word for happiness is a

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<v Speaker 1>cognate with the word for luck. They're very deeply intertwined.

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea is sort of that happiness is not

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<v Speaker 1>something that you could work toward or achieve. It either

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<v Speaker 1>came to you or it didn't. It was just a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of how the coin fails, so to speak. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the writings of Confucius, happiness and luck are very

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<v Speaker 1>deeply intertwined. So per his ideology, a happy life was

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<v Speaker 1>just one that was smooth and free of obstacles. But

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<v Speaker 1>of course that doesn't involve having a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about like I have achieved X, just I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like my life is pretty smooth happy. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not how we think about happiness now, like the world

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<v Speaker 1>sells you happiness in a way that feels so far

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<v Speaker 1>from anything that I personally believe, Like I watch happiness

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<v Speaker 1>being sold to me by advertising, sold to me by television,

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<v Speaker 1>sold to me by radio, everything everywhere. You cannot get

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<v Speaker 1>in a cab without an ad for something that is

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<v Speaker 1>going to make you happy. Finally, and then Greek and

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<v Speaker 1>Roman philosophy kind of twisted that I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say twisted, but they evolved it to a point where

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<v Speaker 1>happiness started to be a thing that you earned, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was very closely related to the good deeds that

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<v Speaker 1>you did and living in a simple way. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing that we have to think about is

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<v Speaker 1>that to them, this happiness did not mean like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel blissful. It just was more of like a stability situation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like my needs are met, you live well and morally,

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<v Speaker 1>so your soul's needs are met, and consequently, like the

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<v Speaker 1>world is going to be pretty smooth for you. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not an emotion so much as it becomes a

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<v Speaker 1>way of life, not something that was due or expected,

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<v Speaker 1>but something that you kind of created by being a

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<v Speaker 1>good person and doing good things. Sister, A later defined

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<v Speaker 1>it as happiness would lose all joy if nobody rejoiced

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<v Speaker 1>with us, which is sort of beautiful, right. It's that

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<v Speaker 1>sense of happiness within a community. And he also equated

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<v Speaker 1>happiness with a tranquil mind. So up to this point

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<v Speaker 1>we aren't messing around with the ideas of having things,

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<v Speaker 1>getting things checklist, which I know, how you know checklock,

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<v Speaker 1>I do. The Age of Enlightenment is where things start

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<v Speaker 1>to turn a little bit, and I think the intent,

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<v Speaker 1>as so often as the case may have been good,

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<v Speaker 1>but it got very distorted along the way, right Like

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<v Speaker 1>at that point the Age of Enlightenment involved this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that happiness was a right, not so much the result

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<v Speaker 1>of your behavior, but you were entitled to happiness. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course you're a human, which is not a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 1>The Declaration of Independence kind of bakes it right. In right,

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<v Speaker 1>we hold these truths to be self evident, that all

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<v Speaker 1>men are created equal, that they are endowed by their

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<v Speaker 1>creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life

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<v Speaker 1>liberty in the pursuit of happiness. Of course, you should

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<v Speaker 1>go chase your happiness. That's just part of being human.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I love that idea that we should

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<v Speaker 1>all be pursuing that, whatever that means to Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>think about my happiness, like I think we've been told

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<v Speaker 1>that happiness is this thing, and then travel teaches you

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<v Speaker 1>that happiness comes from within. So I spent so much

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<v Speaker 1>of my life looking externally for happiness and whether it

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<v Speaker 1>was in people or places or things, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>realized I have to turn that inside. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>got together with Michael, one of the first conversations we

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<v Speaker 1>had within hours of meeting each other was that we

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<v Speaker 1>would never believe that somebody else was going to make

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<v Speaker 1>you happy. That we both felt independently that happiness came

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<v Speaker 1>from your responsibility towards it. You're very much in line

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<v Speaker 1>with the ancient Greek approach to it, right that it

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<v Speaker 1>is look at me, ancient Greek, the journey of a

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<v Speaker 1>life lived well, and it's not a destination that you

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<v Speaker 1>get to and then happiness chacha. Well, happiness to me

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<v Speaker 1>is like yoga. I think about it like that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>forever more like you can't get good at yoga. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not the point of yoga. You can be good at

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<v Speaker 1>some postures, or you can maybe better your breathing or

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps your meditation, but you never master any part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>because they will always be more of it. And happiness

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<v Speaker 1>is like that, you just have to bumble along for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life, seeking it, finding it, losing it,

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<v Speaker 1>picking it up along the road into me. I find

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<v Speaker 1>like the simplest things give me the greatest happiness. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, I'll talk about Ellen now. And this morning

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<v Speaker 1>I was playing with her on the beach and I

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<v Speaker 1>was throwing this ball for her and I was like

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<v Speaker 1>watching her tooth gets stuck in the soccer ball, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I looked at this moment and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, so happy man, so happy me and the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a moment like that that I'm able to reflect

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<v Speaker 1>inwards and ask myself, why am I happy in this moment?

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<v Speaker 1>What is that I'm happy within? And she's my reflection.

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<v Speaker 1>She's showing me that joy and I can access it

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<v Speaker 1>because it goes in and I'm able to turn it

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<v Speaker 1>inwards and travel is that teacher. It's the lifelong teacher

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<v Speaker 1>of happiness that it shows you the destruction and the

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<v Speaker 1>decay and the beauty and the raggedy ann as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the princess. Right. It shows you about these things

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<v Speaker 1>and when you're able to see it, you see yourself. Yes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna just call Marge Simpson Holly and ask her

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<v Speaker 1>what she has to say about happiness. Okay, hello, Marge,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you? What do you think? Well, you could

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<v Speaker 1>be like Madge's twin. No, I have twin sisters, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have no twine. Tell us about happiness. Happiness is

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<v Speaker 1>when Homie is asleep and the children are in bed

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<v Speaker 1>and the house is peaceful. Well, thanks for that. My

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<v Speaker 1>apologies to Julie Kavner for what has just taken place.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Holly, thank you, my love. You make me happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about happiness with Holly is of course fun. I

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<v Speaker 1>also have Samara Henderson who has her own podcast Life Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Samara and I bonded over what happiness is and even

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<v Speaker 1>after tragedy, how she could still choose happiness. Samara, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for coming in to be in studio with me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so nice to see your smiley face. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for having me. This is such an honor. Really, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I found your own podcast Life Stuff, and I found

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<v Speaker 1>you and you and I started chatting about happiness. And

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<v Speaker 1>I believe for myself that I wake up every day

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<v Speaker 1>and I am able to choose happiness. I have a career,

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<v Speaker 1>I have friends, and most portantly, I have someone who

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<v Speaker 1>loves me and lives with me and has made a

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<v Speaker 1>life with me. And then of course I have my husband.

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<v Speaker 1>I meant my dog, but you know, I have Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>who's such an amazing part of sharing happiness. But I

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<v Speaker 1>am able to choose that happiness because I live in

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<v Speaker 1>the Western world. I have everything I need. I'm healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>I have money, I have privilege, I have unconscious privileged.

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<v Speaker 1>I have all these things. But is it possible for

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<v Speaker 1>the person who's living in a favela in Brazil and poor?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it possible for the person who's disabled or tortured,

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<v Speaker 1>like is it so easy for them to just choose happiness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a complicated question. I feel as though people who

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<v Speaker 1>don't have as much as we do over here in

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<v Speaker 1>the Western world, who are going through struggles that we

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't even touch or ponder. I I believe that that

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<v Speaker 1>you can have moments, you can choose to have moments

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<v Speaker 1>of happiness enjoy for yourself. Um, it's really a mindset

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you can take with you. So I like

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<v Speaker 1>to look at kids. Kids don't know the value of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids don't really know how much they have or don't

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<v Speaker 1>have until they grow up and learn these things and

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<v Speaker 1>learn about social status is and learn about different things

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<v Speaker 1>that could hold them back potentially. And kids always find

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<v Speaker 1>a way to play and be happy and just enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>wherever they are, and I I feel like you could

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<v Speaker 1>really learn something from them. I mean, even when they're

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<v Speaker 1>bored out of their minds at banks or grocery stores,

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<v Speaker 1>they always find a way to enjoy what they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>in their life in that moment. And I think if

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<v Speaker 1>we just take that child like essence with us and

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<v Speaker 1>the world around us could be totally how but that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. You know, you can or cannot change it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you just have to look at it and say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to choose to smile about something. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to choose to look at the sky and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that color blue is really awesome and I'm enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 1>Or simple things things, simple small things. It doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be Oh, I hit the lottery, I'm so happy.

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<v Speaker 1>It could just be I had a really good conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with someone today, or um, yes, just like right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very grateful for this. But I look at my

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<v Speaker 1>you look at kids, I look at my dog. She's

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<v Speaker 1>such a beautiful reminder to me to just be in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment. Yes, definitely, it doesn't matter what's going on externally,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you stay present and you stay within yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>happiness is within you. Then So yes, maybe it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>for someone who's a lot own and living in poverty

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<v Speaker 1>to choose happiness external happiness. But the wish that I

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<v Speaker 1>have for the world is to tap into the happiness

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<v Speaker 1>that they do have access to, which is internal. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're all worthy on that. We're we're entitled to be Definitely.

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know that it's such a tricky thing

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about because because I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>disrespectful and people be like, you know, imagine you were

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 1>impoverished and you how do you be happiness? But I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just about an internal happiness, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should talk about your sexual assault and how like

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<v Speaker 1>you've been able to find joy and continuation of life

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<v Speaker 1>after that. Yes, it it was definitely a journey and

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely had to choose to want to be happy

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<v Speaker 1>and to get out of that slump. It actually happens

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<v Speaker 1>multiple times throughout the course of my life. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I guess starting from about fourth and fifth right to

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<v Speaker 1>my last year of high school, so you know, spaced

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<v Speaker 1>out trauma being a child not knowing what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I don't want to say that it's harder or

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 1>degrade anybody else's experience, but being a child of not

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<v Speaker 1>knowing what's going on and trying to figure that out,

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<v Speaker 1>not knowing what you can say or how to express it,

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.439
<v Speaker 1>and then growing up and doing certain things and being

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<v Speaker 1>like is that connected to my past? Or is this

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to just navigate it and figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on. And so it took a long time

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<v Speaker 1>for me to realize that I was even depressed, or

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<v Speaker 1>that I was that I had anxiety. It took at

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<v Speaker 1>first acknowledgement that I wasn't happy. That was the first step,

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and then after acknowledging that I was just like, Okay,

0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be this anymore. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be sad. I'm tired of the you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>tired of these excuses of being stuck. I'm just tired

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<v Speaker 1>of this mental space. I don't feel like this is

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<v Speaker 1>how my life is supposed to go, like, if there

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<v Speaker 1>is a way to be different, I want in on

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<v Speaker 1>that way. So I didn't know how at all. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know how I was going to get there. But

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<v Speaker 1>just having that attitude that I was going to get there,

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<v Speaker 1>I really believe propelled me to be where I am today.

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<v Speaker 1>So of course I looked into counselors. I didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>it at first. I hated it. I started googling things

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<v Speaker 1>about like meditation and anxiety, learning more about it. I

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<v Speaker 1>read a whole bunch of self help books. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just took a lot of everything that seemed to work

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<v Speaker 1>for me, and I just decided, you know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let somebody else control the nature of my life

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and control my mental space innocence, you know, Like this

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<v Speaker 1>is my life. I only get one, So why am

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>I letting somebody running around in my head? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could be off doing god knows what, not

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 1>thinking about me at all. So I was like, you

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm going to take my mind back. And

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<v Speaker 1>I did that, and it was very hard. It took

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<v Speaker 1>some years, it really did. It's still a journey, but

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<v Speaker 1>I am very grateful for where I am now. I

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<v Speaker 1>am so much more happy or so much more content

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<v Speaker 1>with my life, so much more open to people and

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 1>receiving love and giving love and you know, really being healthy.

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>And in that I learned how to really monitor my

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts and catch myself. And I don't know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of things that I've learned, and it's

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 1>been an amazing experience in journey, and so in a

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.399
<v Speaker 1>weird sense, I am grateful that I had to go

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<v Speaker 1>through all that to get to where I am. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I appreciate peace and joy and sleeping at nights,

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<v Speaker 1>just all of those things a little bit more. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you look very happy to me, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You walked in here with such a beautiful smile and

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.439
<v Speaker 1>optimism that to me, it seems you've done so much

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<v Speaker 1>of the work. But the thing about it is, I

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:24.439
<v Speaker 1>guess it's forever, right, Like the work is, there's no ato. Yeah,

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 1>there's no end game, there's no I made it, there's

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>no here's your golden ticket. It's just a continuous journey

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:35.800
<v Speaker 1>of growth, innocence, of just self growth and improvement and

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 1>becoming a better human or becoming the best human that

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 1>you can. And I just feel as though if everyone

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>tries to do that the world would just be amazing.

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 1>But when I optimists, clearly, Yeah, obviously, Now everyone for

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<v Speaker 1>a time out except for responses. We'll be right back

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<v Speaker 1>with more everywhere. Well, and once again to everywhere, let's

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<v Speaker 1>holp back to it. For my next interview, I'm with

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Phillips, the founder and CEO of Beyond Conflict. We

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<v Speaker 1>chat about hope and how that interacts with happiness around

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<v Speaker 1>the globe as well as in America at a very

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>complicated time. Thank you for spending time with me flying in.

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<v Speaker 1>You speak to my heart when you speak, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so glad we can do this on Mike. Well, thank you, Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a real honor of being here. And I love

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<v Speaker 1>hearing your voice because I spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>in South Africa, so it sort of warms my heart. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I have the hybrid South African accent, which

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<v Speaker 1>only if you've spent time there will you realize it's

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<v Speaker 1>not as South African as it could be, but not

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<v Speaker 1>not South African at all. I would love to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about South Africa. So South Africa is for me a

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<v Speaker 1>very complicated place as a white boy born in South Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>as someone who's both the colonizer and the believer in

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<v Speaker 1>change and hope and the Rainbow Nation. It has been

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:22.280
<v Speaker 1>both to me the shield and the sword. It has

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:26.760
<v Speaker 1>protected me and saved me, but it is also deeply

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 1>hurt me. I have been a victim of incredible crime, hijackings,

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:37.560
<v Speaker 1>being held up, I've been shot, aunt and attacked in

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<v Speaker 1>my home in the street with guns and knives. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet I've somehow returned to South Africa again and again

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<v Speaker 1>because the almost blood that I spilt them is part

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<v Speaker 1>of its healing on me and part of its healing

0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:00.359
<v Speaker 1>for itself. So let's talk about South Africa and your

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<v Speaker 1>involvement beyond conflicts involvement. Talk to me a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about that process that you've gone through personally and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>with your organization. Yeah, thank you, And I mean everything

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>you just said just sort of resonated with me, not

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<v Speaker 1>only in my work but in my own life experience.

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, I grew up pretty modestly in New England

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't until I was in my teenage years

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<v Speaker 1>that I actually got to travel outside the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had this curiosity about the world. But it

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 1>wasn't until I left these shores and went to other

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<v Speaker 1>countries in Europe or Central America, that I really started

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<v Speaker 1>to have a sense that there is truly a world

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<v Speaker 1>out there that's bigger, but in a lot of ways

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<v Speaker 1>much closer to my existence than I ever imagined in

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<v Speaker 1>reading in books or hearing about it in school. And

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<v Speaker 1>so was that opening for me that years later, when

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<v Speaker 1>we had the collapse of the Cold War in and

0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I decided to travel to Eastern Europe and Central Europe

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 1>to see what was going on, that I had this

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 1>notion that, wait a minute, you have all these former

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 1>dissidents and people who were imprisoned and suffered for trying

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 1>to create change who are now running these governments. And

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<v Speaker 1>I had this instinct, wouldn't be interesting to bring together

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>these new leaders with people who themselves have been through

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>difficult transitions from in those days dictatorship to democracy. And

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 1>how do you do that by bringing people together by traveling,

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.399
<v Speaker 1>by getting people to go from those countries of Latin

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<v Speaker 1>America and elsewhere to Eastern Europe, and get people from

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Eastern and Central Europe to go to those nations in

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<v Speaker 1>places to see firsthand. And this was before the transition

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 1>started unfolding in South Africa. And then when people started seeing, wow,

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 1>we can learn from others. There's something about engaging with

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the other outside that begins to slowly open up our aperture,

0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 1>begin to open up our notion of wow, maybe change

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>is possible. If they can do it, why can't we.

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:03.720
<v Speaker 1>And so I had the pleasure of first meeting Nelson

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<v Speaker 1>Manila when he came to New York and there was

0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:08.839
<v Speaker 1>an event at the Rainbow Room and I went up

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:12.879
<v Speaker 1>to him through somebody introducing me, and I told him

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.400
<v Speaker 1>what I was doing. He said, we need that in

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 1>our country. And so I went to South Africa, had

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.759
<v Speaker 1>a chance to meet some of the folks who are

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 1>emerging leadership, from Desmond Tutu to Albi Sachs and others.

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 1>And then I realized that there's such profound knowledge, this

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 1>profound dignity and power and what is evolving in South

0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Africa that needs to be shared with the world. But

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 1>how do you share that by bringing people together? And

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 1>how do you do that by literally stepping outside your

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 1>comfort zone. There was something about just that connection, that

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 1>physical connection that you can only get by traveling and

0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 1>getting out of your comfort zone, that you can imagine

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 1>that change is possible. When I tell people the reason

0:43:56.600 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I travel, it's this very notion I can go and

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 1>touched into this humanity and it's available to everyone, not

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>just people that are meeting Nelson Mandela or f W

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 1>two clerk. It's available to anyone everywhere. So that brings

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>us to a crucial part of this conversation. And when

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 1>we talk travel, we don't necessarily mean abroad. There's American travel,

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and I think at a time a complicated political time

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 1>in this country like now, it is absolutely crucial to

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 1>go and travel America, to spend time with people that

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 1>are not like you, to spend time with people that

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<v Speaker 1>don't vote like you, or think like you, or look

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<v Speaker 1>like you. And as you know about Hopeful Mondays, a

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<v Speaker 1>tradition started by Little's parents. As I refer to them

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, it is one of the most meaningful

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<v Speaker 1>and beautiful things that I've ever attended in my life. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>the story is that two thousand and sixteen s election

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<v Speaker 1>happened and we started. They started a Monday night dinner

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<v Speaker 1>and it's called Hopeful Monday because that's where there will

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<v Speaker 1>be some hope. There's always a cake with the word hope.

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<v Speaker 1>On it, and we go around the room and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>shares what they're hopeful for. And next year we want

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<v Speaker 1>to take it on the road and share this hope

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<v Speaker 1>with other people, with people that you wouldn't necessarily have

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<v Speaker 1>in your realm. So to me, it is such a

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<v Speaker 1>difficult time in America for many people. We need to

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<v Speaker 1>go and understand that. So I think what we should

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<v Speaker 1>talk about is what do you envision as something you

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<v Speaker 1>could do, something that ordinary people could do here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really interesting that, you know, I'm almost in American,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the same time spent the last thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>mostly working around the world, working in about seventy five countries,

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<v Speaker 1>very much with this notion of shared human experience, you know,

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 1>bringing in people, often former enemies, who couldn't imagine the

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 1>change was possible in their country. And I remember friends

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<v Speaker 1>from South Africa and Northern Ireland, Central America, the Middle

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<v Speaker 1>East have been saying to me as an American for

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<v Speaker 1>more than ten years, you know, you need to focus

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<v Speaker 1>on our country. You need to really look inward and

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<v Speaker 1>see the things that make us deeply concerned. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, well, I can imagine. I mean, we do

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<v Speaker 1>have some profound problems, and they're like, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you realize that a lot of the same things that

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<v Speaker 1>we've experienced, those mindsets, those fears we see developing in

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<v Speaker 1>your country, sort of like canaries in a coal mine.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet here we are in two thousand and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>in a place that I think a lot of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>never imagined they would be in. And so what we're

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<v Speaker 1>starting to do as an organization is normally look within

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<v Speaker 1>the country to say, what do we need to do

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<v Speaker 1>as a country, But what can we learn from the

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<v Speaker 1>experience of all these other countries that have struggled to

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<v Speaker 1>change to bring those insights to this country. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a combination. And the way I see it, we see

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<v Speaker 1>it is we need to listen to each other and

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<v Speaker 1>not purely in these sort of intuitive ways of people saying, okay,

0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:21.840
<v Speaker 1>you need to state either your privilege or your position,

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<v Speaker 1>or how you're victimized to what is sacred to you,

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<v Speaker 1>what is important to you, what do you fear? Because

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<v Speaker 1>we live in a big, diverse country, and those divides

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<v Speaker 1>are going from a you and I mindset to an

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<v Speaker 1>US versus them. And the more we go to an

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<v Speaker 1>US versus them mindset, the more difficult it would be

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<v Speaker 1>for us to really not just reconcile, but to find

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<v Speaker 1>what we have in common ast Americans. We see that happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the things that we have been doing

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<v Speaker 1>is working with brain and behavioral scientists, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things they know from just the research is that

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<v Speaker 1>when you go to an US versus the mindset, a

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 1>whole range of unconscious psychological processes come online to really

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<v Speaker 1>push us further apart. Those sort of creup identities, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of features of our brain to look for difference, really

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:14.239
<v Speaker 1>kick in and unconsciously we make choices, we make decisions

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:17.799
<v Speaker 1>that further pull us apart. And so how do we

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<v Speaker 1>approach this deepening divide in America? And one way is

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<v Speaker 1>to bring those people from outside who have been through

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<v Speaker 1>change to our country. The way, in a sense, we

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<v Speaker 1>set the table in other countries as Americans over the

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<v Speaker 1>last twenty five thirty years to help people learn from

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>each other. And now there's a certain beauty and certain

0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 1>um serendipity elegance that they want to come here and

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<v Speaker 1>share their experience with Americans, not in a lecturing way,

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<v Speaker 1>not in a hectoring way, but to say, don't make

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<v Speaker 1>the mistakes we made. What we had to do in

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa, what we tried to do in Northern Ireland

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<v Speaker 1>but we struggled with still in the Middle East, is

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<v Speaker 1>that we dehumanized, demonized each other, We delegitimatized each other

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<v Speaker 1>so much that will take generations to build a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of a common humanity as people in the same nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Different interests, maybe different ideologies, but we're still you and I.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not us first as them. And so the notion

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<v Speaker 1>is how do we bring that shared human powerful experience home.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's really powerful because it says you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>treat people with dignity, no matter who they are, right

0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:33.759
<v Speaker 1>as Mandela would say, don't be tough on people, be

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:37.440
<v Speaker 1>tough on structures, be tough in institutions. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of our m O was we, you know, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of curate and convene leaders to go into countries who

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<v Speaker 1>are struggling with different types of change. And then about

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<v Speaker 1>ten years ago I met a neuroscientist who said to

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<v Speaker 1>me one day, you know, we're not rational beings with emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, speaking as a scientist, it's just the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>We are emotionally based beings who can only think rationally

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<v Speaker 1>when we feel that our identities are understood and valued

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<v Speaker 1>by others. And I was like, holy shit, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you just collapsed everything I've experienced in the previous twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years, everything I've experienced in my own lifetime. And

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<v Speaker 1>I sat back and I thought, the Enlightenment got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not these rational beings with emotions. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite. The Enlightenment was based on the emergence of

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<v Speaker 1>science and that we are not only these rational beings,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're better than all other species, which we also

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<v Speaker 1>know as bs. Right, But now it's science who's saying

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<v Speaker 1>to us, no, no, no, no, focus on how we

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<v Speaker 1>think as humans, not what we think, because how we

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<v Speaker 1>think is so deeply unconscious, and our unconscious and mostly

0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:50.879
<v Speaker 1>based brain literally shapes our capacity to be rational. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how we navigate the world. I mean literally every moment,

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<v Speaker 1>every day, our brains are predicting our social environment on

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<v Speaker 1>my slow it down the totem Polese scale. I say

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<v Speaker 1>this all the time. It's never the one, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>the how. And I say that about travel. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not telling you when to go, way to eat, way

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<v Speaker 1>to stay, what to see. I'm telling you how to

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<v Speaker 1>be there right, how to be yourself there. People ask

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<v Speaker 1>me for the travel recommendations and I say, nope, you

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<v Speaker 1>can figure out where to go get coffee by yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>But what you can figure out is an attitude, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll help you with that. You know what's really cool

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<v Speaker 1>about travel? Have you ever noticed when you go to

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<v Speaker 1>a completely new city or place, you see more alert.

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<v Speaker 1>That's your brain coming online because it's a new place.

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<v Speaker 1>That predictive brain I just mentioned, all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>comes online and says I'm in a new environment. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know this, I need to understand it. Travel does

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<v Speaker 1>more to increase neural activity, create new neural connections just

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<v Speaker 1>because you're rain without you explicitly sitting here saying okay,

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<v Speaker 1>time to kick ahad does it automatically? Notice everywhere you

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<v Speaker 1>go somewhere new and different, your brain becomes more active,

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<v Speaker 1>more aware, and more alert and expands literally more energy

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<v Speaker 1>because it needs to understand this environment. That's the great

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<v Speaker 1>thing about travel as well. So thank you for spending

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<v Speaker 1>time with me. This is the beginning of many conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Well, I thank you, Daniel, It's been extraordinary. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a good time. I hope you did too.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'd like to reach us, go to Everywhere Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, everywhere pot on Twitter, all the website, everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>podcast dot com. I'm Daniel Scheffler signing off. I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>seeing you everywhere