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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's guest producer Ramsey

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Speaker 1: over there. Ramsey guest producer and stuff you should Know,

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Speaker 1: but straight up producer on movie Crush. Yeah, movie crushers

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Speaker 1: might might know Ramsey's name. Hey, Ramsey, he knows that

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Speaker 1: he knows the joll Well, that's the duct tape over

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Speaker 1: his mouth helps for sure. So Chuck, today we were

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Speaker 1: talking about epilepsy and this has been a long time request.

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Speaker 1: We've gotten requests for this one over the years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: plenty of times. And uh, I don't know why it

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Speaker 1: took us so long to do it, but I'm glad

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Speaker 1: we finally did because it's something I didn't know about.

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Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things like you're aware

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Speaker 1: of epilepsy and seizures and seizure disorders, but there's almost

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Speaker 1: like this um cartoonishly narrow version of like what epilepsy is.

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Speaker 1: It's just a movie version, yes, exactly, um, which actually

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Speaker 1: is kind of accurate. Depending on the type of epilepsy

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Speaker 1: or the type of seizure you're having. But um, there's

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Speaker 1: it's such a broad spectrum of really just kind of

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Speaker 1: as a physiological brain disorder that can happen in so

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Speaker 1: many different ways that I had no idea. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: the movie while it's sort of like, uh, the every

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Speaker 1: square is a rectangle type of thing. Like, movies only

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Speaker 1: display seizures in one way, the Natalie Portman way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the kind where you're like, you're on your back, convulsive,

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Speaker 1: wildly frothing at the mouth. There's some jerk nearby with

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Speaker 1: a wooden spoon. That's you don't want to do that.

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Speaker 1: We should go ahead and say that, maybe more than once.

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Speaker 1: Do not stick a spoon or your wallet, or a

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Speaker 1: credit card anything else in somebody's mouth. He keeps them

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Speaker 1: from swallowing their tongue. Now, you can't swallow your tongue, no,

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Speaker 1: because it's attached. I tried, Look, yeah, you all right,

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Speaker 1: You do that, keep that thing away from me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but movies display them as one kind, and that those

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Speaker 1: definitely exist. But it's far more nuanced than that. Leave

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Speaker 1: it to movies to get rid of nuance, you know.

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Speaker 1: But really isn't that the audience is fault. Isn't it

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Speaker 1: up to the audience whether there's nuance or not. Well,

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Speaker 1: what like during a seizure scene, next time, we should

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Speaker 1: all just stand up and shout this isn't real. I

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Speaker 1: think they would get the picture. All filmmakers would get

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Speaker 1: the picture. How about some nuance? Well, and also, movies

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Speaker 1: are all about drama, and a lot of seizures are

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Speaker 1: not very dramatic. No, it's almost like in certain types

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Speaker 1: of seizures, somebody like it just kind of zones out

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Speaker 1: so what were we just started saying that that constitutes

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Speaker 1: the seizure? Ak chuck, on any given evening. Sure, there's

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Speaker 1: probably a big difference of what's going on in the

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Speaker 1: brain of somebody who's actually enduring a seizure. Right then

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Speaker 1: then you're zoning out, But to the observer it would

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Speaker 1: look very similar. All right, that's a nice intro. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little history first, can't we? Yeah, okay, well

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Speaker 1: I will say this, um, ancient medicine has always been

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Speaker 1: from how they're diagnosed and what people think is going

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Speaker 1: on to the various treatments. It is wacky. Yeah, people

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Speaker 1: with epilepsy have been stigmatized for ever since there was civilization. Basically,

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Speaker 1: if you have epilepsy, they didn't call it that, but

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Speaker 1: they were talking about people with epilepsy, you can't get married. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they called it like the devil shakes or something basically,

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Speaker 1: with diet and exercise and that kind of stuff, which

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Speaker 1: is actually pretty good advice for somebody who was driving

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Speaker 1: ancient treatments are exactly what you would think, like everything

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Speaker 1: the eighteenth century that people finally were like, I don't

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Speaker 1: way this article in our on our own website puts it,

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Speaker 1: It's like, um, I've seen it compared to like electrical storms. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of the types of seizures. UM. There are a couple

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Speaker 1: their tongue, leave it at home because you don't need

425
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: it anymore. Yeah. The main thing you want to do

426
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: is make sure that they will not further injure themselves.

427
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: Like if you're in an apartment and they're on the couch,

428
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: you may want to like move the coffee table out

429
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: away from the couch or something like that. Um, turn

430
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: them on their side if they have gone to the ground,

431
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: so they won't choke. That is a real thing, But

432
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: the tongue has nothing to do with it. It's I

433
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: think something like that. Yeah, sure, uh, and just sort

434
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: of try and ensure their safety, like don't try and

435
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: hold them down. Don't try and get them to stop

436
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: what they're doing, Like you can't. I'm gonna lay on

437
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: until the demons get out. Yeah, it's not a good idea.

438
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: So basically, just try and make things as safe as possible,

439
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: Like if they're around them, if their clothing is right, yeah,

440
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: keep sharp stuff away from uh. And yeah, if they're

441
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: sitting up or standing up or whatever, yet try to

442
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: get them on to the lowest point as comfortably. Um,

443
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: if their clothes are like bunching up around their neck, like,

444
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: try to loosen the clothing. Uh. Yeah, make it safe

445
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: and comfortable for them. Yeah, don't don't be like all right,

446
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: well I'm gonna go get my eyes checked or go

447
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: or go call the police or not the police. But

448
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: on one right, that was a really surprising thing that

449
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: that um, this article said was don't leave, just hang

450
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: out with them. That is more important than calling nine

451
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: one one. There is a point where you should call

452
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: nine on one though. There's a type of seizure or

453
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: there's a mode that seizures can go into called um

454
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: status epilectus, which is like a really bad situation. That's

455
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: when it continues debated keep minutes. It used to be

456
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: I think twenty or thirty minutes, and then they said

457
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: that's way too long. If someone has is having a

458
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: seizure of any type UM for five minutes or longer,

459
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: you want to call nine on one because what you're

460
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: seeing is a medical emergency on Under almost every single

461
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: case of a seizure, the brain can kind of reset

462
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: itself um and come out of the seizure within a

463
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: five minute period. If it doesn't, it strongly suggests that

464
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen, and they may actually have

465
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: to medically induce a coma to just stop the electrical

466
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: activity in the brain and let it reset itself. So

467
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: you've got a bona fide medical emergency on your hands.

468
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: Or the other way it can happen is they can

469
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: be having a seizure and then have another seizure and

470
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: not regain consciousness in between. That actually qualifies as a

471
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: status epilectus seizure as well, and you want to call

472
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: nine and one for those, or if uh, if it's

473
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: a pregnant woman, then you want to call nine one

474
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: one because there can you know, be further complications there, Yeah,

475
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: for sure. Alright, So it looks like there's six different

476
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: types of epilepsy. If I'm reading this right, we'll say

477
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: at least six, starting with benign rolandic epilepsy. This is

478
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: the one that you would have in childhood and that

479
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: you would probably outgrow, Hence the benign thing. Yeah, it's

480
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: just kind of like, yeah, I don't any more about it.

481
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: It's just a phase the kids going through, you know. Uh.

482
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: Juvenile myoclonic epilepsy is actually one you wouldn't have it

483
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: in early childhood, but it actually would come on around

484
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: the same time as puberty. As if puberty is not

485
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: tough enough now with caesures. Yeah, I mean I feel

486
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: so bad for for for anyone that has this condition,

487
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: but especially like if it comes on at puberty, you

488
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. Well. Plus also it's like

489
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: the severe type of siege. There's tonic clonic seizures usually

490
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: characterize it or myoclonic, and you don't you don't outgrow it.

491
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: He comes on in childhood, but yet you got you

492
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: have it for life. Lenox guest syndrome. I feel like

493
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: I've heard of this one before. I had not. This

494
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: one's very severe and there are many kinds of caesars

495
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: that you can have and uh I believe this one

496
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: sticks around for life too. It doesn't. It's uh usually

497
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: it comes after it's become a parent. That they're cognitive impairments. Um.

498
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: It can there can be delayed motor skill development. Um.

499
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of like co morbid with um like

500
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: a type of cognitive impairment as well. But it's it's

501
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: characterized by drop attacks to where you can really injure

502
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: yourself because you just fall over because there's um an

503
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: impairment in the muscle or the motor cortex. Look at you,

504
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: I got it eventually. Reef epilepsy is the one that

505
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: you might if you have ever like gotten a strobe

506
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 1: light warning or heard of that Pokemon thing, which that

507
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: legend is actually true. Yeah, I mean this this is

508
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: one that is triggered by something in the environment. Um.

509
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: In fact, remember I told you I went to that

510
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: David or was going to that David Byrne concert. We

511
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: got a ticket holder's got emails the day before the

512
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: show that said, you know, trigger warning, we use strobe

513
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: lights in this show. So I think they for stuff

514
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: like this that kind of are sending that stuff out

515
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: now to them? Yeah, yeah, because I mean you can

516
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: have a seizure, even if you don't have epilepsy. You

517
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: can have a seizure brought on by flashing lights and

518
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: they're fast enough that just basically get your brain going

519
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: and and it's off. Uh, not a seizure, but an

520
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: intense strobe light situation. I think makes everyone feel a

521
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: little off. It makes me dance. Where are the bubbles?

522
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Give me my glowstick? Uh temporal wait, hold on, let

523
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: me give you one more about it. So, the reflects epilepsy,

524
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to just be from like flickering lights,

525
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: like the strobe lights can be touched there they like different. Basically,

526
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: where you have reflects epilepsy, there's a part of your

527
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: brain that receives sensory stimuli that is hyper sensitive. So

528
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: whether it's your eyes, whether it's your ears, whether it's

529
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: your skin, and it'll be like a very small region

530
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: on your skin and it can be activated by tapping, scratching, rubbing,

531
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: and toothbrushing. Interesting, which if you think about it, that

532
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: is interesting. But also if you are going to trigger

533
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: a seizure from brushing your own teeth, that would suck. Yeah,

534
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: you know, I bet there are some ways around that. Oh,

535
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: surely there are, Like an electric toothbrush might have a

536
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: different or something. I hope. So, although I've bet an

537
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: electric toothbrushure would set it off more than anything. I

538
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: guess it depends. I don't know. Uh. Temporal low epilepsy

539
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: the most common kinds of seizure here complex vocal, although

540
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: there are other you know, seizures that can occur to

541
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: And this is the one where I think it's like, well,

542
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: it takes place in the in the temporal lobe, which

543
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: controls emotion and memory. But I think these are the

544
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: ones that are can be really interesting and hard to

545
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: describe by someone that's had one. Yeah, Like you'll have

546
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of memories come back all of a sudden

547
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: at once, which, um, that's another thing another common device

548
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: you'll see in movies, not necessarily with seizures, but when

549
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: somebody's like like their brains being taken over or something

550
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: like that. Um, the like just a bunch of different

551
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: like visualizations will flash or whatever their life. Yeah, I

552
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: think that that's basically what happens with temporal lobe epilepsy. Interesting, yeah,

553
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: or you can also have just be overwhelmed by a

554
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: bunch of weird emotions good, bad, neutral that are not

555
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: being brought on by anything but the seizure. Yeah. I

556
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: at that David Burn show, I had a moment where

557
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: I was so overwhelmed with the sound, the lights, the

558
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: the emotion of the moment in the art that I

559
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: felt like I was on ecstasy at one point. What

560
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: song was it? That specific moment was during Once in

561
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: a Lifetime? So that was coming together with nostalgia to

562
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: just like suck me in the face, But you know

563
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: it was it had to do with other things as well.

564
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: So I mean, while again did not have a seizure,

565
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: I have no idea what that's like. It's interesting to

566
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: feel the brain sort of get rocked a little bit

567
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: to where you can feel it, but with positive feelings. Sure. See,

568
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: that's what epilepsy should be. It should be like at

569
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: ecstasy in your brain. Yeah uh. And then frontal lobe epilepsy.

570
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: It's the final kind, and this is the one where

571
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: you're more likely to have like your body herking and

572
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: jerking really stiff on one side. Right, Yeah, so you

573
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: got me with the hurricane and Jerky always reminds me

574
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: of the Mr. Show Herky Jerky Dancer. Um, should we

575
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: take a break. I think so Mr Show made an appearance.

576
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, we'll be right back. If you

577
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: want to know then you're in luck. Just listen to Chuck.

578
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: One of the things I saw, I want to say

579
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: that's not really apropos of what we're going to talk

580
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: about next, but when um, someone is having a seizure,

581
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: during the middle seizure part, they may um start start

582
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: doing like involuntary movements, like everything from lip smacking to

583
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: like playing at their buttons to actually undressing and dressing.

584
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, that is interesting,

585
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: especially when you remember Alien Hands syndrome, and that was

586
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: the corpus closum, and I mean parts of the corpus

587
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: closum are involved sometimes with the epilepsy too. One of

588
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: the other things epilepsy bears a strong resemblance to, especially

589
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: in the fact that it has an aura and an

590
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: actual middle phase and then a recovery phase are migraines.

591
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very much related to migraines. And actually you

592
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: can get migraines as a symptom of the recovery phase

593
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: of the post eichtal phase, right, which that would really

594
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: suck to have a huge seizure and then come out

595
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: of it and have a migraine. Yes, that would not

596
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: be good. It would not. Uh. The causes of epilepsy

597
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: are It sort of depends. Sometimes you can have a

598
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: brain injury. Sometimes, like if you get hit in the head.

599
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can have a tumor that's putting pressure on

600
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: the brain. Um. If you can determine the cause as

601
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: a doctor, then it's called symptomatic epilepsy. If you're not

602
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: quite sure what's going on, that's a head scratcher, yeah,

603
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: or idiopathic epilepsy. It's so funny they have a name

604
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: for it rather than I don't know sure. I mean,

605
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense, but I don't know is

606
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: really what that means. And then there's even another category,

607
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: cryptogenic epilepsy. And that's when the doctor is like, well,

608
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: I kind of have some information, but I'm not quite

609
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: sure if it's symptomatic or idiopathic. It's really specific, it is,

610
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: unless it's idiopathic, then it's totally non specific. That's right.

611
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: So UM. I found this really interesting the way that

612
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: um epilepsy is diagnosed, because just because you have one

613
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: seizure doesn't mean you have epilepsy. Yeah, if you have

614
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: a seizure, you want to go to the doctor to

615
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: find out if actually, no, you actually do have epilepsy.

616
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: But there's a number of ways you can get You

617
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: can have a seizure. You if you're a infin or

618
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: a kid and your temperature gets to a hundred point

619
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: four degrees fahrenheit or higher I think thirty eight degrees celsius.

620
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: That's called a febra febrile seizure feverish seizure. Doesn't mean

621
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: you have epilepsy. You may never have another seizure. Again, Supposedly,

622
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: if you are withdrawing from alcohol or some types of drugs,

623
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: you can suffer seizures. But I saw another research of

624
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: the literature that said this is not true. It's just

625
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: a legend. But like a medical legend um Supposedly, hypoglycemia,

626
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: abnormal heart rhythm, panic attacks, all of those can bring

627
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: on seizures or mimic seizures. And then there's something called

628
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: a pseudo seizure, which to anybody's witnessing it would be like,

629
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: that's a seizure, that person must have epilepsy. But if

630
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: you had that person um undergoing an electro and cephalogram

631
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: at the time a brain scan, you would see that

632
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: their brain waves were not doing somebody who has epilepsy's

633
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: brain would be doing. And that's actually brought on by

634
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: psychological distress, yeah, or like past abuse in your life

635
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: or something like that, which is bad enough. Yeah, I

636
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: mean that's yeah. Yeah. So you mentioned the e G.

637
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: The electro cephalograph um. At this point, if if you're

638
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: being hooked up to one of those machines, you've probably

639
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: already gone to the doctor had some blood tests done. Um.

640
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: It's interesting that, like the doctor, it's sort of like

641
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: bringing your car in. You're like, well it's not making

642
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: that noise now, and the mechanics like, well, I don't

643
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: know what to do then, right. Normally mechanics like, well,

644
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: just let me take your car home for a week, right,

645
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: And you gotta let them the same thing with your doctor.

646
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: You have to move into your doctor's house until you

647
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: have a seizure in front of That's not true, but

648
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: they can and will try and induce the seizure sometimes

649
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: so they can really see what's going on. It's not

650
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: so during an e G. They will try and to

651
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: do the seizure. They may put the strobe light in

652
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: front of your face. It'll take you to a David

653
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: Burn show exactly WHI should be a great way to

654
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: get treated, or they'll tell you to come in um

655
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: and not having slept. Yeah, fatigue is one thing, lack

656
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: of sleep that can bring them on its trigger. Yeah,

657
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: so they will try and induce the seizure A lot

658
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: of times after an e G. They will go hole

659
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: hog with a CT SCAN or an m R I.

660
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: And what is that funny? I just imagine you having

661
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: to ride a hog while you have the e G

662
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: thing on your head. Uh, C T or an m

663
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: R I. Um. Have you ever been to one of

664
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: those parties where they have the whole hog cooked just

665
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: like layd there looking like a hog? Yes, and I

666
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't go in any more detail because they're vegetarian and

667
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: vegan listeners would not be happy. But yes, I have

668
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: all right, I have not it's something else. I bet.

669
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: I can't imagine just sticking a fork in something that

670
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: looks like an animal. Yeah, it says stick a fork

671
00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 1: in me. I'm done, all right, Yeah, we'll just move on. Uh. Yes,

672
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: the C T R, m R I. UM. What they

673
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do there is just get an

674
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: inside peak at exactly what's going on in the brain.

675
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: Like you were talking about. There could be a legion

676
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: or something that they don't see and this will this

677
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: will show all. Yeah. So again you come in, they say,

678
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: so you head a seizure. Huh. Put this calander on

679
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: your head and look into this light while I start

680
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: flashing it and make sure you haven't slept in a day,

681
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: and they try to trigger a seizure. And then they

682
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: look at the e G. Read out of what your

683
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: brain is doing when they say, yeah, this is an

684
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: epileptic seizure. This isn't just you know, uh, some other

685
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: type of seizure. This is like epilepsy. And then yeah,

686
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: they'll put you through the Wonder machine or something like

687
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: that and look for lesions, weird um, oxygen concentrations, whatever

688
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: to try to pinpoint where the problems coming from, because

689
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: again it can just be one specific region of your brain,

690
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: or it could be a generalized type of seizure in

691
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: your whole brain. And then based on these clues, they

692
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: start deducing what type of epilepsy you might have, right uh,

693
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: and then what you can do about it. Um, obviously

694
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: you're not gonna eat a pigeon these days or drink

695
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: dog bile. But um well you could eat pigeon, don't

696
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: drink the dog bile. No. Uh. There is medication that

697
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: you can take, but from what I read, it's it

698
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: can be pretty rough on you and a lot of

699
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: bad side effects. So what you try to do, I

700
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: think with a lot of like with a lot of

701
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: hardcore medications like this, is find that balance of what

702
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: do I need to try and control these seizures and

703
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: still kind of be able to operate and have a

704
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: good quality of life. Yeah, And I think a lot

705
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: like um if you've been diagnosed as say like bipolar

706
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: or depressive disorder something like that, where there's a lot

707
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: of different medications out there that do different things and

708
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: you're probably going to have to try a different combination

709
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: until you find the one that works best for you.

710
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: Um as as this article put it, to balance quality

711
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: of life and control of your seizures, that's what you're

712
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: looking for in a medication or combination of medications. Same

713
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: thing with with epilepsy. Yeah, I mean you may not

714
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: uh want the full dose and you may just want

715
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: to limit your seizures and have an acceptable amount of

716
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: seizures because the medication is so rough on you. Sure, yeah,

717
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: that's the worst part. And they've actually come up with

718
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: a device called the vegas nerves stimulator. Remember the vegas nerve,

719
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember it. Was it a female orgasm episode

720
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: that it played such a role in. I think we've

721
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: it's a couple of them. We said God was either

722
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: a woman or clearly favors women, because women's orgasms are

723
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: triggered by vagus nerves and even if you become paralyzed,

724
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: the vegas nervous still intact. That's right, only for women. Well,

725
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: there's a device that's basically like a pacemaker for your brain,

726
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: is what they call it. And it stimulates that vegas

727
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: nerve and it just sends a little like t called

728
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: pulse on like a regular um rhythm to your brain.

729
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: And they're like, this really works. It doesn't necessarily get

730
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: rid of all of your seizures, but it brings the

731
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: frequency of them down so much that you could just

732
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: get by with a low dosage of medication. But they

733
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: have no idea how it works. They think maybe it

734
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: keeps the brain juiced on a normal basis. It's almost

735
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: like a pacemaker. It is that. Well, like I said,

736
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: they call it the pacemaker. Okay, I said that. And

737
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: then there's the well, I mean it sounds it sounds crazy,

738
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: but if it is isolated in one part of your brain,

739
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: they can actually go in and just remove that part

740
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: of your brain in many cases and solve the problem.

741
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: And no, not only no side effects. And they're not

742
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: taking a stab in the dark, like they know what

743
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: parts of the brain they can remove. They're not like,

744
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: well let's try this um. But sometimes you actually show

745
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: intellectual improvements after the surgery, like when they remove the

746
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: cryan from Homer's brain, remember that one. That was one

747
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: of the best ones ever. There's also a corpus coloss

748
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: to me, yeah, I'm saying it right, which is so

749
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: remember you know there's a type of generalized seizures or

750
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: the whole brain seizures. Well, the corpus colossum is the

751
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: white matter that connects the two hemispheres of the brain.

752
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: So they just go in there and go and no

753
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: more generalized brain seizures. Right. The thing is is there.

754
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm very curious what the side effects are of that.

755
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: Because we developed a corpus colossum over time and there's

756
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: this really interesting thing. We got to do this someday

757
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: on a guy named Julian Jane came up with the

758
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: bicameral mind, and he had this theory that before we

759
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: had a corpus colossum and the two hemispheres talked to

760
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: one another. That was back when we used to think

761
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: the gods were talking to us. One part of our

762
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: brain was talking to us, and it seemed like it

763
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: was coming from outside of our brain, like the angel

764
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: and the devil on your shoulder, basedically or literally the

765
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: gods having like a role in your daily life and

766
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: guiding you through life. It was actually one side of

767
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: your brain, but since it wasn't connected to the other side,

768
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: it didn't seem like it was for coming from you.

769
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: And so to cut the corpus colossom, I wonder if

770
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: it would have similar effects like that. Yeah, and I

771
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: think that also was um for alien hand syndrome. The

772
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: corpus clossum had a lot to do with it because

773
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: one side like a malfunction of it because one side

774
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: isn't talking to the other. Interesting um. There was also

775
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: some types of epilepsy called intractable epilepsy where and this

776
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: is like this is really high of people who have epilepsy,

777
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: have intractable epilepsy, Like it's not going away. Yeah, and

778
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: it's really tough to control even when you're being treated,

779
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: and you can actually die too. Um, I get the feelings.

780
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: Is pretty rare, but sudden, unexplained death in epilepsy or

781
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: sued up is something that can happen. Yeah, they they again,

782
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: they don't know how it works, but they think that

783
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: maybe it has to do with a regular heartbeat that

784
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: can result a regular breathing, or that someone gets trapped

785
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: face down in something like betting and suffocated during a seizure,

786
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: because a lot of seizures, a lot of types of seizures,

787
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: especially tonic ones. It's the tonic that, um, yeah, that

788
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: you're hap them while you're sleeping, and if you're sleeping

789
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: on your stomach, you could conceivably choke or suffocate. They

790
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: think maybe that has something to do with it, but

791
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: they're just not sure. I saw an obituary the other

792
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: day for someone that died in their sleep, and that

793
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: really struck me for the first time. Is like, that's

794
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: a really nice way to say someone died in bed. Like,

795
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it ever happens where someone's just asleep

796
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: and doesn't wake up right, Like, I think you're just

797
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: asleep in bed. You wake up and you're like, I'm dying,

798
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: and then you die, and it's just it's like a

799
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: really nice way to say they died in their sleep.

800
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: We've talked about that before, about somebody, can you really

801
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: die while you're asleep and I'm dying? We were talking

802
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: about someone who woke up to die in pain. I

803
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: think that's probably how it always rather than just dying

804
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: in their sleep. No, I think people might pass real sleep.

805
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: I think you could. That's sweet, especially if you're on

806
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: the dope, like they got you doped up, like in

807
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: hospice or something like that. You can very easily just

808
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: die in your sleep while you're kind of out of it.

809
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I hope you're wrong. Yeah, me too. Um,

810
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: living with epilepsy, Uh, you know, it can be very tough.

811
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: It's you have to think about everything from driving to

812
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: going swimming, by yourself, raising an infant, if you're a

813
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: woman or a man or a man. Yeah, but yeah,

814
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: this one, this one, Um specifically said, like, epilepsy can

815
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: can be a challenge to I mean you know, when

816
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: they're deciding whether to have kids or not, you know,

817
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: they that's just I hadn't even thought about that. But

818
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: you can't have a seizure while you're breastfeeding or something.

819
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: What happens after that? Yeah? Or I mean if you're

820
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: just a the lone caregiver to a child at home, uh,

821
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: to a eighteen month old, and all of a sudden

822
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: you need treatment yourself. Yeah, that's a scary thing. All

823
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: the all the states and the United States have different

824
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: rules as far as driving. Uh, Like you know, sometimes

825
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: it's you can't have had a seizure for the past

826
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: twelve months or something. Yeah. You mediated a guy who

827
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: had a couple of teachers and like he like had

828
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: he lost his license because of it. Yeah, like think

829
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: I think it was twelve months in Virginia or something.

830
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: Uh what else? Um, yeah, I think that's it. Oh well,

831
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: I did look up celebrities with epilepsy, of course, because

832
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: that's all anyone cares about, right, Prince know that um

833
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: Adam Horovitz. I didn't know that from the BC Boys,

834
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: Mr Danny Glover, I didn't know that Little Wayne, Big Wayne? Uh?

835
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: Is there a medium? Wayne? And the Rock? No little

836
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: Wayne uh Neil Young really the great Harriet Tubman, I

837
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: think we knew that. And then uh the NFL former

838
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: NFL twins Tik and Ronde Barber, and there were twins

839
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: who both had it, So that's oh yeah, they think

840
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: there might be a genetic basis to it. Yeah, I

841
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: don't think we even mentioned that. They've identified something like

842
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: two hundred different gene deficiencies that could could possibly lead

843
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: to epilepsy. And interestingly, if you were a child and

844
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: you were diagnosed with epilepsy, your doctor may say, put

845
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: that kid on Atkins. Oh yeah, keytonic diets might have

846
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: something that helps. Yeah, they think, well, like when you're

847
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: when you have kind of gone through your fat stores,

848
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: you go to key tones in your brain, and it's

849
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: got to have something to do with that. Start burning

850
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: keytones in your brain. That's got to have an impact

851
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: on your electrical activity. Why it only works on kids

852
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: rather than adults is it's a mystery to me. You

853
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: got anything else? I got nothing else? Well, let's epilepsy everybody.

854
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: If you ever see somebody who's having a seizure, remember

855
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: everything we told you and keep that spoon out of

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Speaker 1: their mouth. And since I said that's time for listener mail.

857
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this boy marathon ors we heard from them.

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Speaker 1: We probably should have thought that through, Like we did

859
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Speaker 1: a marathon episode asking for people to email. Yeah, I

860
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: think we would have gotten the same amount of emails

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Speaker 1: for marathons, Like I love marathon. People who marathon love

862
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: to talk about marathons, So we were asking for it

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Speaker 1: even without asking for it. Well, and we also asked

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Speaker 1: about the marathon high versus a marijuana high, and turns

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Speaker 1: out a lot of marathon or smoke weed. I bet,

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Speaker 1: I will, I can. I can imagine which one you selected. Well,

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Speaker 1: actually I did not select one of those because they

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Speaker 1: were kind of all the same. They were like one

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00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: guy said, it's not the same. One guy said he

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Speaker 1: would get high and run. I saw that guy until

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00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: the runners had kicked in, and he said, so I

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Speaker 1: would be high the entire marathon. Yeah, yeah, like you're insane.

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Speaker 1: His friends thought, he was, how would you even start?

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Speaker 1: You know? He was probably should I eat combos today

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00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: or run a marathon today. I had a friend who

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00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: used to get super high and go to the end

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Speaker 1: workout and lift weights like Kevin Spacey, Oh that's right,

878
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: and America. That's always seems so bizarre to me. And

879
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: look what happened to him. Yeah, you want to stay

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00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: away from the weed for the weightlifting combo? All right,

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Speaker 1: here we go. Been listening for almost two years, guys,

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Speaker 1: never missed an episode. I'm a former ultra marathon or

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00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: typically in the fifty k distance, so definitely on the

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Speaker 1: shorter end five thousand mile. Can you believe that a

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Speaker 1: fifty k is a short one? Yeah? And I can

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Speaker 1: speak to experience in both the runners high and hitting

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Speaker 1: the wall in the same race. In two thousand thirteen,

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Speaker 1: I was competing in my last fift k, and while

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00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: I was towards the back of the pack of these

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Speaker 1: events always, I was feeling great when I reached the

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Speaker 1: four hour mark, laughing and joking with aid station volunteers

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Speaker 1: and having a great time. I felt like I was

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Speaker 1: on top of the world at mile twenty and then

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00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: it happened. I hit the wall hard. I had been

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Speaker 1: able to cover twenty miles a pretty rugged trail in

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Speaker 1: four hours. Suddenly my legs went from feeling amazing and

897
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: light feeling like sex of what submit that happens to me?

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Speaker 1: At like mile point seven five? Uh? It took me

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Speaker 1: another four hours in the final twelve miles of the race.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's time I start training for my next one. Guys,

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00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 1: you're invited to join me. Maybe Chuck hats running because

902
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't found the right distance yet. Perhaps it's thirty

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00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: two point five miles. Nope, Nope. That is from Sean

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Speaker 1: Riley in Columbia, South Carolina. Shaw and Riley, who is crazy.

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Speaker 1: But thanks for writing in short ones. Um. Yeah, but

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00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: we should say there is quite a difference apparently, between

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Speaker 1: pot High and the Runners High. Yes, no one said

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00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: that there were anything alike. No, most people said they

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00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: were pretty different. Okay, cool, So we're done with marathoning.

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Speaker 1: No need to email us more about marathons. We're good,

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Speaker 1: We got it. Okay. If you do have epilepsy or

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00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: you know someone who does, though, I would love to

913
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Speaker 1: hear from you and let us know what it's like

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Speaker 1: to live with that. Um. If you want to get

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