1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: A new to the listener. The following story contains some 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: adult content and language. This was her last stop before 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: she was killed, and somebody knows something or somebody saw something. 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: I will not leave here without their next I would 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: caution you to be very careful, Mr Briggs. You're over 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: confidence is skating dangerously close to stupidity. Only one man 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: has ever spoken to me in that tone of voice 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: without consequence, and the only reason I let him off 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: the hook is because each and every word out of 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: his mouth on screen may be more money than the last, 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: but your words are worthless. So change of goddamn tone 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: and fast and without. Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: introduce you to the President of Classic Pictures, Mr Leonard Shaw, 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: from Vox Popula and the Los Angeles. Harold, this is 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: the angel A Vine, my old heart, anking and no 16 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: ground because my angels. Welcome back to the podcast. Thank 17 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: you once again for joining us. Okay, so before I 18 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: play you the meeting between Hank and Leonard Shaw, we 19 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: have a bit of ground to cover so that we 20 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: can understand who Hanks dealing with. And the story starts 21 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: farther away from Hollywood than you might think. At one 22 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: point in time, Fort Lee, New Jersey, was actually considered 23 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: the film capital of the world thanks to a man 24 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: named Thomas Edison. You may have heard of him now. 25 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: One of his contributions was the invention of the earliest 26 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: motion picture viewer, called the kinetoscope. But it's even greater 27 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: contribution was his desire for notoriety, control, and ultimately power. 28 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: Edison hoarded so many patents over movie making technology and 29 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: equipment that it was almost impossible for anyone to produce 30 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: or distribute a movie without his say so. He also 31 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: went as far as to omit the film's credits in 32 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: order to avoid attributing monetary value to any of its players. 33 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: What's the saying, power tends to corrupt, absolute, power, corrupt 34 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: absolutely something like that. Remember that for later. So, while 35 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: the men in New Jersey were fighting over who would 36 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: die with the most money, a fifteen year old boy 37 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn by the name of Leonard Schuster sold newspapers 38 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: to help his impoverished family. His father worked in a 39 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: tobacco processing plant while his mother cared for his two 40 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: younger brothers, no doubt, a difficult life made even more 41 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: difficult by his father's sudden death. Now the sole support 42 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: system for his family. Leonard pulled up his proverbial bootstrap 43 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: and went from street corner newspaper salesman to Aaron Boy 44 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: and Carl Lemley's first company, located in the Student Baker 45 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: Building in Times Square. That production company became what we 46 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: now know as Universal Studios. True story, it was at 47 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: pre Universal that Leonard met a man by the name 48 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: of Daniel Albright, one of the many producers who worked 49 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: with Lemley to challenge Edison's stranglehold on the industry. The 50 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: story of their meeting goes something like this. One morning, 51 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: in the presence of Lemley and Albright, Leonard reacted to 52 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: a photograph of Mary Pickford and blurted out, who is that? 53 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: I've seen her before, I'd watched that girl do anything. 54 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: A light bulb goes off. Lemley and Albright look at 55 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: each other. What if it's the actor and not the 56 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: movie that the public want? And it was there that 57 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: the star system and star power were born. So love 58 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: him or hat him for it? The origin of celebrity 59 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: culture came from Leonard's lurid adolescent thoughts. Now, Lemley already 60 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: had the wonder Kin Thalberg as his assistant so Albright 61 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: hired Leonard is his He began grooming Leonard for production, 62 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: and even moved his family with them when all Bright 63 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: Classic Pictures migrated west. Once in California, Albright suggested that 64 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: Leonard changed his last name to something sharp so that 65 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: no one will ever forget it, And so Leonard Schuster 66 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: of Brooklyn, New York became Leonard Shaw of Hollywood, California. 67 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: Shaw was a very quick learner, and Albright encouraged him 68 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: and implemented many of his ideas. Shawn knew a good 69 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: script when he read one, and recommended projects that garnered success. 70 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: He also had an incredible eye for talent and took 71 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 1: an interest in building that talent in creating Albright's movie stars. 72 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Since social hob nobbing was inherent in that process, people 73 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: got to know him, and they genuinely liked him, and 74 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: because they liked him, they wanted to come work for 75 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: the studio. Leonard Shaw made all Bright Classic Pictures more 76 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: popular and more profitable than ever for and after only 77 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: four years, Daniel Albright made Leonard Shaw his partner. But 78 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: power tends to corrupt, remember, so while all Bright sat 79 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: happily in his office counting money, Shaw began to position 80 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: himself as the face of the studio. This eventually led 81 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: to Allbright's downfall. Daniel Albright found himself at the center 82 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: of a very public scandal. It involved a sexual encounter 83 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: with an actor by the name of Jack Lawrence, who 84 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: was under contract at the studio. Now. Back then, in 85 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: order to protect their image, almost every studio held their actors, directors, 86 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: and producers to what was known as a morality clause. 87 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: Among its many restrictions, one caveat specifically stated that you 88 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: couldn't be openly gay or bisexual. So in the news 89 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: of the affair threatened to derail his efforts. Shaw had 90 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: Lawrence banned from the lot, He acquired Albright shares, and 91 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: had any trace of the Albright name removed from the studio. 92 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: Everything Albright had worked for crumbled, and overnight he disappeared 93 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: from Hollywood. Now here's something interesting I found. There may 94 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: be a reach, but I don't know. You tell me. 95 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: In an interview done shortly after Albright's death, his son 96 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: revealed that his father was in fact gay, but had 97 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: always vehemently denied the affair with Lawrence. Albright maintained that 98 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: he met Lawrence only once and that was the extent 99 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: of their contact. His son's theory is that Shaw was 100 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: the one who leaked the false story in order to 101 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: force Allbright out absolute power, corrupt, absolutely enter Leonard Shaw 102 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: the monster. From that point forward, Shaw ruled what was 103 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: now classic pictures in proper dictatorial fashion. His employees were overworked, underpaid, 104 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: and his for the abusing. I mean, we heard Erwin 105 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: Fogelman say himself, h h, he's a prick. Say this. 106 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: He's mean just for the sake of being mean, gets 107 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: his kicks humiliating people. Shaw appeased only the stars who 108 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: made him barrels of money, and threatened to end the 109 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: careers of those who didn't. But once he had another 110 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: success on his hands, he would turn on the charm 111 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: and start doling out praise to make everyone feel important. 112 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: And they did feel important, and so they forgot. They 113 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: forgot that they were shaking hands with a monster. In 114 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: my research, I came across a quote of Shaws which 115 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: I think represents his values perfectly. When Casa Blanca won 116 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: the Academy Award for Best Picture, the studio had Jack Warner, 117 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: who had nothing to do with the making of Casablanca, 118 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: rushed the stage ahead of the movie's producer Halby Wallace, 119 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: and accepted the award himself at the Governor's Ball that evening. 120 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: Shaw told head A Hopper, That's the only time I've 121 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: agreed with anything Jack Warner has ever done. That's said. 122 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: If I'm Wallace, Warner's getting a couple of teeth knocked 123 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: out tonight. Hey, I'm just here for the circus. I'm 124 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: pretty sure that Hank Briggs didn't have any interest in 125 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: the circus. All he wanted was to know who Marlene 126 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: was with the night of Shaw's party, the night that 127 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: she was murdered. This next tape I'm about to play 128 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: for you has not been edited in any way, shape 129 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: or form. It is in its entirety exactly as I 130 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: heard it the very first time. Testing to three, testing, 131 00:08:48,600 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: testing one to three. H It's Friday night, twenty past three. 132 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: Drivers early, Okay, off to meet Leonard Shaw. Here goes 133 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: Beverly Glen high Good. Oh, Beverly Glenn. I'll tell you 134 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: the houses on St. Pierre Sherard, tucked away, tucked away 135 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: on Cpierre Beverly Glenn. St. Pierre Nimes Road. Hey, thanks, 136 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: you didn't have to get that for me. Imagine if 137 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't open my own doors. That is a big house. 138 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got me here, But am I gonna 139 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: get lost once I'm inside there? Wh are you sure? Eyes? 140 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: And how it doesn't live here? I am running the 141 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: wrong racket. Hey, I didn't catch your name. Nice to 142 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: meet you, too, penal Admer. You do not know he's sick. 143 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: You got it, got it? And you only have ten 144 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: minutes with him? Okay, Jesus, everyone is so friendly around here. 145 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm serious. Yeah, that's what I was implying. I already 146 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: told you I'm not gonna take up his time. Now 147 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna let me in? Or do I have to 148 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: yell at him from here ten minutes? I was told 149 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: Lois two staircases will look better than one, but she 150 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: didn't go for it. Oh come on, doc, not even 151 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: a smile. It's been a long day, all right, suit yourself. 152 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: Follow me. He's waiting for you in the great room. 153 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: The great room. Do you tell him how we met? 154 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: Not exactly. I told him that you waiting for me 155 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: outside the lock. What you tell him about me? Nothing? Nothing? Nothing. 156 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: I gave him your card, assuming that that would be 157 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: the end of Itding Yet here you are yet here? 158 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: I am can't for you look at all that green 159 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: must take him forever to Moa. How big is this place? 160 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: Nine acres na for what? Come on? Keep walking? Well? 161 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for making this out, but Adler, I do appreciate it. Yeah, 162 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: I don't think me yet, Mr Shaw. This is private 163 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: investigator Hank Breaks. It's nice to meet you. Mr Shaw. 164 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for take off the fucking trench coat. Pardon me? 165 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: You look like an idiot? Well, who do you think 166 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: you want? Bogart? You're not he died in January? Is 167 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: I show some respect? Take the coat off and sit 168 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: down an get him something to drink. What do you drink? No? No, wait, 169 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: let me guess. Scotch whiskey man, Adla, get him a 170 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: scotch neat you know what? Make it too? His nose 171 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: looks a little red. Idler, don't be rude. Just get 172 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: him one, Adler. This is a very nice home you 173 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: have here, A very nice home. What is that Betty 174 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: Crockers Ship of cards? It's a nice home. It's goddamn lavish. 175 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: Did you expect less? No? I just are you nervous? 176 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: You look nervous? Is it my size? My cane? I 177 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: hope it's not this old cane of mine disregarded. It's 178 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: only the discipline to help, Hank. I'm kidding. Lightening up 179 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: that second scotch might help, after all, are you pouring 180 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: it at this filling? At Jesus Sorry, bottle is almost empty. 181 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: Handle put a new one. That shut up? I just 182 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: give him a drink already. Thanks Seddler. You've got some 183 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: very interesting pieces of art here, Mr Shaw. Thanks which 184 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: that No, that's not art, that's called the kinetoscope, a 185 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: peep show machine and antiquity of the film world. That's 186 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: from a friend with a bent's sense of humor. Anything 187 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: else you'd like to add mind before you tell me 188 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: why you're here, The books, the piano, actual art, not specifically. No, no, 189 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: he didn't strike me as much of an officiado. So 190 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: what brings you here today? Mr Hank Briggs? What the 191 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: hell is so interesting about? Little on me? First off, 192 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: Mr Shan, thank you for Jesus Christ. What is this? 193 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: Thank you? Ordship? That's the second thank you I heard. 194 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: The first one I just ignored it. Not so bright 195 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: this one. Let me be I don't care why you're here, 196 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: only you do, so we either spit it out or 197 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: get the funk out. A woman by the name of 198 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: Marlene Murray Evans, the Angel of Vine, worked here the 199 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: night of March seventeenth, nineteen fifty six. It was the 200 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: last time she was seeing alive. The Angel of Vine 201 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: worked here. No, I don't think that's right. I'm fairly 202 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: certain it is, Mr Show fairly certain. Wow. Well, if 203 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: that's the case, then why are you asking the questions 204 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: and not the police? Because no one knew she was here? 205 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: No one. Nope. Let me give you a little hint. 206 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: Mr Briggs called the caterers. They're the ones who do 207 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: the hiring. She wasn't with the kids. Yeah. I was 208 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: told you had a few questions, and you still haven't 209 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: asked anything. I think the person who killed her may 210 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: have been one of your guests. Still not a question. 211 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: Who was at your party that night? God? Dare it is? You? See? 212 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: That wasn't so hard, now, was it? So? You want 213 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: to know who was a party in this house a 214 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: year and a half ago, and I know it was 215 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: a long time. What a colossal waste of my time? 216 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: Are you insane? Obviously? I don't expect you to remember. 217 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: And what is your suggestion. I don't know. A copy 218 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: of the guest list maybe or a guest list. No, 219 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: there's no guest list. What do you think goes on here? 220 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: That we announced people as they enter, that I have 221 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: I have servants who break out the silver and fine china. 222 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: What what? What? Place cards? Seating arrangements? People come when 223 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: they want, They eat with their hands. There's booze and 224 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: music and sometimes more than one. Somebody falls into a 225 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: pool with all their clothes on. That's a hell of 226 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: a good time. Well then just tell me the regulars. 227 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: Everyone everyone attended my parties. I'm let it, fucking shaw. 228 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: You're a woman is just a needle in a haystack. 229 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure she was here. Yeah, then how'd she get here? Huh? 230 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: Who'd she come with? You said it wasn't the caterers, 231 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: So who the hell would she working for? I can't 232 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: tell you that. You can't got the funk out of 233 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: my eyes, not until you give me some names. This 234 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: was her last stop before she was killed, and somebody 235 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: knows something or somebody saw something, and I will not 236 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: leave here without their necks. I would caution you to 237 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: be very careful, Mr Briggs. You're over confidence is skating 238 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: dangerously close to stupidity. Only one man has ever spoken 239 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: to me in that tone of voice about consequence, and 240 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: the only reason I let him off the hook is 241 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: because each and every word out of his mouth on 242 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: screen made me more money than the last. But your 243 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: words are worthless, So change you goddamn tone and fast. 244 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: Mr Sherman. You know what. You don't have to change 245 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: a thing, silly me. I do remember now, there wasn't 246 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: a party, Not March seventeenth, anyway, maybe March sixteen, or 247 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: maybe the eighteenth, but definitely not the seventeen. I must 248 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: have been out of town that day. No party, no guests. 249 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: You see nothing to be concerned about. You think this 250 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: is funny, sit down. A woman is dead. Becure me 251 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: have been in this house and you think there's something 252 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: that said over laughing out said yet goddamn mouth adler. 253 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: Nobody asked for your opinion, and I certainly don't meet 254 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: him in order to shut your yap. I didn't bring 255 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: you here to answer any of your questions. I brought 256 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: you here to show you just how insignificant you are. 257 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: But she was here. But she was here, or show 258 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: me some fucking proof otherwise I can only assume that 259 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: you're just another dick searching for Hollywood dirt in the 260 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: want place here, Dan Will shouldn't be that I'd be 261 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: dumb enough to give you any you accidental detective. Oh oh, 262 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: that's a good stair hack. Yeah, that's an angry stare. 263 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: I love it. And since you're still standing, why don't 264 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: you get that cheap coat off my furniture and the 265 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: adler's show you to the door, Because if I had 266 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: to tell you to get the funk out of my 267 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: house again, you will do so. In the back of 268 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: a squad car my draw. It will return you to 269 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: wherever it is that you came from. Let's go ahead. 270 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: You're welcome. Thanks so much for the Scotch leo. Oh 271 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: of course, now it makes sense. Two pains in my ass. 272 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: You tell Rwin Fogelman. I said to take a dive 273 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: up an overpass, and it doesn't matter which one. Don't 274 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: go make it waves and not in this water. It 275 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: will be better for you if I don't remember you 276 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: after today. Oh my god, damn door. Is that your 277 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: plan to get hot under the collar and insult the 278 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: man in his own home. Don't you lecture me? You 279 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: have any idea. What's construction? He knows something? All right? 280 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: You are delusion on the open called worse. Just give 281 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: me the help back to my office and don't think 282 00:18:50,880 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: for a second. Excuse me, frank right, m hm. What 283 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: can I get for you? Just the water for now? 284 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: Slow night. Yeah, it's all right. Nice fish in the back. 285 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: He's expecting me. Yep, should it be? Keep the change. 286 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: It's cool, man, water is free. I know. Thanks, Come 287 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: on in. What is it? Oh? Hell no, don't this time? 288 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: I brought mine too. Now show me your hands so 289 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: I can put this away. Man, what are you doing 290 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: back here? Didn't answer all your questions already? You did. 291 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: I just didn't ask enough. That's not my problem. You're right, 292 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: it's mine, and there are people I need to answer to. 293 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't get the show. No, I got to the 294 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: son of a bitch. Let me guess. He said there 295 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: wasn't no party. No, he said there was a party, 296 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: and he said you were there me. He's lying. He 297 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: says you picked the girls up after they were done. 298 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: That's a lie, it's what he said. Man. I ain't 299 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: never been up Beverly Hills or Belle Are whatever the 300 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: hell these people are from. You're kidding me. I'll be 301 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: arrested before I got passed Western Maybe what do I know? 302 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: But if there's even a chance that you were the 303 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: last person to see here before she died, then I 304 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: got to report it to the people in charge. Man, 305 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: it's a bullshit. You don't want to lose this club, 306 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: do you? Fish? It's a nice club. Goddamn it, storeship, 307 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: That's what this is right here. I can't have nothing nice, 308 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: can't leave nothing to hell along here, take that and 309 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: get your damn proof or whatever the hell it is. 310 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: You need to leave me alone. Virginia Hanley worked the 311 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: party with her that night. She'll tell you I wouldn't 312 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: to win near the Viginia. Are we done here? Hey? Yeah, 313 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: yes we're done. Thank you? No? Oh, now you polite? 314 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: Why don't you just let me get back to my business. 315 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: I should shoot this man in the back. Guy, nothing, 316 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: that's nonsense. You're not so good at a job, are 317 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: you me? Me? You're looking at me? Would I just 318 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: come say? Oh, you sign a bitch? Who you're working for? Shan? 319 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: You're telling me for sean row window down, run it down? 320 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: Look at me? You want to smash it? In. I 321 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: look at me now, now, okay, go ahead, keep it out. 322 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: I think a good look. Go on? Look? Fuck what 323 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: you shy all of a sudden. You've been following me 324 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: some last night. You don't want to get a good 325 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: long look at my pretty face? See cheese, you yellow bastard. Now, 326 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't cheese looks like I think a good look 327 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: at this? You see it? I see you again. I 328 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: swear to God, I'll use it. Get out of here. 329 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: You is it? Okay? Yeah, it's excuse me, excuse me, 330 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: miss Virginia Hamley. No, no, no no, please wait, do you 331 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: have a minute. Can you slow down now? I just 332 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: need to My name is Hank Briggs. Oh my god, 333 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: it's you. Sorry, you must have me mistakes. You're a 334 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: cigarette girl. Didn't I already tell you? Just told me 335 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: you were a friend. Hey, I really need your help. 336 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: I know about Fish Shaw. You were at the party 337 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: with her? Yeah? Yeah, I was. Were you together the 338 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: whole night until around eleven o'clock? What happened? She wouldn't 339 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: get on the bus? What bus? The bus? Fish arranges them. 340 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: They took us to and from the parties with the musicians. 341 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: They were all left back to Hollywood, that they were 342 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: always different. That scar on your arm, it's nothing. Did 343 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: you get that from? When it shows? Why did you 344 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: leave her that night? I didn't leave her. I'm sorry. 345 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say you. You left her? 346 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: Why did she choose to stay? I didn't want to stay. 347 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: I didn't want her to stay. What do you think 348 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: she stayed? When I was ready to go, I found 349 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: her near the kitchen. She'd been crying, so I took 350 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: her to the ladies room so she could fix herself up. 351 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: Why was she crying? Shaw's parties can get a little 352 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: out of hand, a little wild. But but she was 353 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: a good girl, always was. But he got the wrong idea, 354 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 1: assumed she would I want to join him in the 355 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: pool house? Who they had an argument about it that 356 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: the argument started days before. But she didn't think that 357 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: she would see him that night, so hold of her. 358 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: He wasn't worth it. I told her she could stay 359 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: with me that night. We would we would get pancakes, 360 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: and she could stay with me. And she wanted to 361 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: finish it. I told her she was being silly. How 362 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: will you get home? I'll get home, I promise. I 363 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: made a promise. She wouldn't go to the pool house. 364 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: I made a promise she wouldn't leave with him. And 365 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: you who who did she promise she wouldn't leave with? 366 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: Was it Shaw? No? Not Shaw? Who the doctor? What doctor? 367 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: It's from the paper house? Adver Harrison? What was he 368 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: doing there? What do you mean he was at all 369 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: of Shaw's parties? Are you sure that's where he first 370 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: recognized her as the girl from work? I told her 371 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: to get on the bus. I made her promise. Why 372 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: didn't you go to the police? He was cleared, not 373 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: immediately what No, he but he was cleared. They wouldn't 374 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: have believed me. They needed to know. I swear to 375 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: you that that's where this tape ended. And when I 376 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: heard it, I scared the dog, yelling are you kidding me? 377 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: So now we know that Marlene was definitely at the party, 378 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: and so was Adler. So he lied to Hank? So 379 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: did he kill her? After all? We know that they 380 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: had an argument that started days before. Perhaps that was 381 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: the argument that the security guard told the press about. 382 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: Either way, was he the last person to see her alive? 383 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: We don't know, but we do know that there's a 384 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: mysterious poolhouse and whatever went on in that poolhouse. Marlene 385 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: was not meant to see whatever it was. I don't 386 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: think Hank is going to get another invitation from Leonard 387 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: Shaw in order to ask. The Angel of Vine is 388 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: a podcast produced by Vox popular on behalf of the 389 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Herald. 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