WEBVTT - The Unusual Suspects 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.680 I've heard that there's a house and has some bodies 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.120 in the basement. Somebody told you that Hicaia was a 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:07.480 victim of human trafficking. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:10.119 I'm come to find out. This is like it exploded 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:12.120 into this huge thing. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.560 I knew, I just knew something was wrong. 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.919 Police say thirty three year old Jared Bridigan was shot dead. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.119 I kept calling his phone during the drive. Gunned down 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.840 in front of his two year old daughter. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:25.200 It's a murder of the stun jack speech neighbors. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.880 His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:29.760 he was targeted. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.320 Eventually, a police officer answered and told me to come 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:33.320 to the police station. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.800 Justice is something that takes different shapes reformed. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:43.280 If you know something, heard something, please it's never too 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:43.840 late to. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:44.560 Do the right thing. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.080 So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.519 I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.400 spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.440 the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.080 animal abusers arrested. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:05.520 We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.600 We spent over a year and a half trying to 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.360 get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.840 that was killing cats online and he was threatening to 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.360 move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnauta. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.560 Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:19.840 Don't Fuck with Cats. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.320 That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.520 to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:35.119 This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.399 At the end of our last episode, we were learning 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.880 about a couple of new players in the missing person's 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.240 case of Chicaia Blue Harding. One person of interest was 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:45.360 a man named Rico. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.680 So of course I have to look at Arica Wallace, right. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:48.640 Who's this guy? 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:49.480 Right? 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:51.560 So I did a search for Ricol Wallace. The first 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.880 thing that popped up was Tammy Bear comes Out. Tammy 0:01:54.920 --> 0:02:00.919 posted a lengthy post and she said, you know, Chikaia 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.760 was at tumble Meat Tumbleweed here in Billings where she 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:09.680 met Rome big Day and Rico Wallace. Rico spent three 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:15.200 months grooming her before she disappeared. Okay, I've got to 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:20.360 get information about Rico Wallace, right, and this uh Rome 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:24.880 big Day. So Rico Wallace. Right, he's got several Facebook profiles, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.080 none of them have any information on them except for 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.720 he spells his name differently in all of them. Whatever. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.440 So I was like, all right, let me just do 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.760 a general Google search, right, and I found out he 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:43.200 is in the Yellowstone County jail right now with a 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:47.360 sexual intercourse without consent charge. He has not been tried. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.640 He's stolen like county jail. And it made me start 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:57.079 thinking like, is it possible if he knows where Chikaia is, 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.400 is it possible that he will exchange information for like 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.400 a plea? Right? And it got me worried, like, oh 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:06.920 my god, we're right in the middle of this, because 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.240 this is happening right now. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.920 So we've been digging into both Jared Bridigan's murder and 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.679 Shakaia blue Harding's disappearance for a while now, and we 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.960 found some really interesting information that may lead us somewhere. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.640 Yeah, there's a lot of like threads that we need 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.000 to pull at. Some are probably dead ends and maybe 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:29.760 a waste of time, but there are a few really 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.440 good ones that look promising. So I think what we 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.519 need to do is get more information on Shikaia, and 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.800 we need to get on the phone with her older sister, Shawnee. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:38.960 I'd really like to talk to her about the man 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.680 Shakaia was hanging out with right before she disappeared, Rigal Wallace. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.320 I have Shawnee on the line with us. H. 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:53.120 Hello, how are you? I'm good? How are you. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.760 Behind that work? I'd of like stressing out how. 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.560 I'm going to go on newt then, just so you know, just. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:02.280 Because on that work. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:07.520 Okay, it sounds like it's noisy, Okay, okay, so real quick. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.600 We just kind of wanted to get you kind of 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.600 fill you in on what we've been doing. We have 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.240 been like scouring the internet for everything we can find, 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.839 looking for things. We've been trying to reach out people 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:19.800 to speak with them. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.760 These are just like social media profiles and like links 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.279 to the official investigation and a lot of stuff about Rico. 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.280 Yeah, you know, because. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.920 Another guy named Romelo big Day. 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:34.719 What can you tell us about him? 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:40.000 Well, they call him Liz right on the streets. He 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.159 was also part of the Tumbleweed gang. When we first 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.680 started looking for Chikaia, he was sitting across the street 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.600 and I don't know if you just knew that we 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.160 were looking because we had passed by a couple of times, 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.400 but he was kind of avoiding us. When we asked 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.320 him if he knew who Chikaia was, he straight out, 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.160 like flat out refused that he knew anything about her. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:09.640 When later came the Investiga investigations started rolling out more 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.160 he did in fact know her. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.960 So were and him friends as well or associates. 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.240 From what I can gather, they work together. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.480 Yeah, that they teamed up, and. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.039 You know, he's not a good guy, so I kind 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.760 of wondered if him and Rico were in cahoots, you 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:27.240 know what I mean? 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:33.360 Yeah, from what I understood, he uses him to help 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:34.839 him recruit locally. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:37.960 Oh you mean Rico uses him? 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.320 Yes, you're right, because Rico's Diego, right, Yeah, yeah, Okay. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.799 That is a conversation that she had with Aaron Peterson. 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.360 This is just what Aaron told me, So I don't 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.000 know what is actually true, but he said she kaya 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.240 told him she was going to meet Rico and they 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.719 were going towards the North Park. And so when he 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:03.520 couldn't convince Chikaia to not go, to give her a knife, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.239 I think what it was a knife to protect herself. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.400 So she was going to go talk to Rico. Aaron 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:13.800 tries to talk to her out of it and say 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.919 don't go see him. She goes anyways, and he gives 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:21.080 her a knife, saying, here, take this as protection. And 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.200 is that then the last time she's seen or is 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.400 she seen after this? 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:24.640 Yes? 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.680 So if what her friend Aaron is saying is true, 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.960 and this is totally not substantiated yet, then she was 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.560 scared enough of Rico and Romelo to bring a knife 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:38.279 to their meeting. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.880 From what we can gather from talking to Shawnee and 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:46.000 Chicaia's social media accounts, she was friends with Rico and Romelo. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.719 The nature of the relationship is not completely clear. After 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.080 our conversation with Shawnee, I went and did my own research, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.719 which I shared with you. There's two different accounts of 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.760 her going this thing. One is that she was last 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.240 seen at Tumbleweed getting into like a red truck. In another, 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.800 Jamilstone County Sheriffs she was last seen on Whenevisa drive. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.400 And there's all these people that are in her daily life, right, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.640 There's Aaron, there's Rico, there's Romelo, and we don't really 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:19.600 know exactly what roles those people played in her life. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:25.600 Rico is in jail right now for rape sexual assault, 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.160 all right. So okay, now I gotta look at Rome 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:33.160 big Day, right, well, this is creepy. So I started 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.840 looking at him this morning, and he has several profiles. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:45.240 He says he's a digital artist, like he's a rapper, okay, 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.920 And all of his profile photos are of a rapper 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.640 named Polo g. So he's got one account and it's 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:57.280 called Romelo big Day, that's his full name. And on 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.040 that profile he's sharing a bunch of like pictures and 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:06.520 whatnot from a guy named Melo the Down right, And 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:11.120 that triggered me because Don is like, you know, mafia boss, right, 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.360 So I went to Melo the Don and sure enough, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.360 on that we on that Facebook page he shared his 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:24.239 Montana Department of Corrections identification card like a freakin' moron, 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.280 all right. And and I mean, I'm like, are you 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.440 kidding me? Right now? It's got his DOB, his full 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:36.920 legal name, his photo, like what he looks like, his address, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:41.480 like everything, all right. So he's got those those two profiles. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:46.040 I go back to Romelo big Day's profile and when 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:51.920 I went back, the name changed. What the name changed? 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:56.440 He changed his name on his Facebook page while I 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.839 was looking at it, and I'll tell you what, if 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:03.000 anybody knows about our Luca investigation, the deja vous that 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.240 I got from from from that happening, it blew. I mean, 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:12.040 I I texted you immediately right and I said, I 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.920 can't believe this just happened. I'll tell you about it tonight. 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.400 Like it freaked me the heck out. And I didn't 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.559 like anything on his page. I didn't do anything, you 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.280 know what I mean. I looked, I'm like, did I accidentally? 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.000 Yeah, there's no way he would have known somebody. 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.319 No way, no way. I looked at my activity log 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:28.840 on Facebook and I'm like, did I accently? 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:29.200 You know? 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.719 Did he anyway? Nothing he changed yet while I was 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.920 looking at it to Polo Capalot and I'm like, okay, 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.200 so I did a Google search for a Romelo big day, dude. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:45.240 This guy's not a good guy. He has several charges 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.600 of sexual assault several. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:51.080 Wow. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:56.560 Yeah, So I don't know if he's part of this 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.840 or not. But Shakaya was hanging around with him at Tumbleweed. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.160 According to Tammy Bear comes out her mother. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.120 Okay, so today would be day three for our search 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:19.240 into Sekaiah. Something interesting happened earlier. Body came across a 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.720 comment on Facebook by a person by the name of 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:27.040 Michael and said, I seen a story on Facebook yesterday 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:31.080 about girls going missing from Billings. One got away and 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.720 told a story of about twenty or so girls being 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.280 kept against their will. If she went missing around Billings, Montana, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.400 it might be worth looking into now. Sophie, which I 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:47.160 believe is a relative of Chakaia, responded, Yes, we have 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.120 heard about a house way out on Grand, but I 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:54.200 haven't gotten the exact location. I hear they have a 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.920 house way out there that they have been keeping women. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.920 Gianna felt like this was very, very important, so she 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.960 actually reached out to the producers over at KT Studios. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.559 She sent them an email asking about this house, if 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:11.040 there's any relevancy or if there's any importance, And shortly 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.760 after that, Boddy and I started getting text messages from 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.920 Stephanie at KT. She send us a text with four images. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.840 Three are of a house and some vehicles, and the 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:27.400 fourth image she says, Hi, it's Stephanie at KAT, nice 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.000 speaking with you. Here are the photos I mentioned. You'll 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.240 notice that to the left of the front door there's 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.480 a round camera. Those are the cars parked next to 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.160 it and the school up the street. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.360 So John, we went to Crime Con in Vegas and 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.320 as part of Crime Con, we were kind of in 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.680 the green room, you know, getting ready to go do 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.360 our talk on ocent and stuff. And in the green room, 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:58.920 Stephanie Lydecker and Courtney 'mstrong approached me, and Stephanie from 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.360 KAT Studios was talking about wanting to work together on 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.560 a project in the future, and I was like, yeah, 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.880 you know, and I gave her my contact information and 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.439 I'm really like public about like my passion for getting 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:15.720 awareness out about the MMIW movement. And I think through that, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.840 you know, we kind of hooked up. So KAT Studios, 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:24.760 you know, there's Stephanie Leidecker, Courtney Armstrong, Jeff Shane, and 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:29.160 Andrew Arnell. They did their own show on MMIW all right, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.320 and it was called The Missing and Murdered in Montana, 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:37.080 and through that they hired an investigator named Mike tooth Well. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:41.040 In twenty nineteen, the producers from KAT Studios went to Billings, 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.560 Montana and they looked at that house that we were 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.560 interested in, and they were able to get photos, but 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.800 they weren't able to get the exact address, because it's 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.920 like a weird it's like a weird little building. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.480 In the summer of twenty nineteen, the KT Studios team 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.199 went to bill Montana and heard about this same house. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.680 They were able to obtain photos of it, but we 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:09.920 still don't have the address. So this is my forte. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.760 This is where I'm good at. I'm good at finding locations, 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:18.480 specifically using Google Maps. So the comment that body found 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.800 on Facebook, Stephanie sending us this picture saying, yes, there's 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.840 a house we've been looking for. We think this is 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:24.520 one where. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:25.199 The girls was missing. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.400 So I asked her. I said, the white building we're 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.280 looking for is near the school up the street, and 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:36.840 Stephanie says yes, So I log onto. I'm actually on 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.920 my cell phone at this time because I've gotten the 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.520 text messism. So I go on to Google Maps and 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.520 I go to Billings, Montana, and to just do a 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.040 search for schools. So I start looking at all the 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.400 schools in the satellite image of Google Maps, and I 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.560 spent probably about thirty minutes and I could not find 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.160 that specific school in the picture that Stephanie sent us. 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.920 So then I went back and looked get the picture again, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.600 I said, well, this kind of looks like a school, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.880 but I see a pool, looks like a playground, some 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.920 orange slides. I think this may be a park or 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:14.560 a community center. So I went back on Google and 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:20.200 just did a quick Google search Billings, Montana parks with pools, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.080 and literally the first result came up to me for 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:29.600 a park in Billings called South Park. So I go 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.720 to my Google Maps, type in South Park and Billings Monttowna, 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.120 and sure enough, there's a park. So I zoom in 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.520 at the satellite and sure enough I can see this 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.760 pool with the orange slides in it, and right across 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:50.280 the street, which looks like it's on sixth Avenue South 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.960 and South thirtieth Street. It looks like where the picture 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:58.000 was taken that Stephanie sent to us. She is telling 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.600 me that house is somewhere around this area. So now 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.960 I'm frantically on Google Maps looking for this white house. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.000 And it's not a really good image. It's not the 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.200 full house. What you see is a white, kind of 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.280 dilapidated house. You see a small concrete pad in the 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.720 front and a small sidewalk leading to the city sidewalk 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.920 and some grass. The other images show some vehicles which 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.800 look like they're parked either behind or to the left 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.720 of this building. So when I'm in Google Maps and 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.320 I'm in the satellite view looking down, I start looking 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:34.120 for roofs that are that same clay Adobe color. So 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:38.000 I reach out back to the staff at KT Studios 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:42.240 and I said, is this house here? And Stephanie says, yeah, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.200 I believe so. And I said, well, this actually is 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.520 in a school what you sent us, it's actually a park, 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.000 and she goes, really, she goes, maybe I'm confusing some things, 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.160 and then Jeff chimes in. He goes, well, let me 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.720 reach out to the private investigator we have up in 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.440 that area who's been helping us. Maybe he can give 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.440 you some more information. At this point, I can't get 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.160 this white building out of my mind. I am frustrated 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.320 that I can't find it, because that's what I do. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.600 I find locations. I found the park, South Park, found 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.960 the pool with the orange slides. Why can't I find 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:19.280 this house. I won't be able to stop thinking about 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.720 this house. I won't be able to sleep until I 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:27.200 find the location of this white building. And the unfortunate 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.400 thing is I promised my wife I would take her 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:34.440 out to dinner tonight, so I desperately wanted to talk 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.200 to the private investigator so I could find out if 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.480 he knew the location of this white building and what 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:44.600 importance it was. Let's stop here for a break. We'll 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:45.520 be back in a moment. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.400 So before we connect to private investigator, Mike talk follow 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.880 up on the White House of Montana. Can we quickly 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.159 talk about Jared's case. Yeah, we know that Jared and 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.680 his ex wife Shana had a really contentious relationship even 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.560 after their divorce. They were constantly battling over money, custodied 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.159 their twins, and lots of other things. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.440 We also know, according to Kirsten, that Jared's ex wife, 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.520 Shana and her family are really concerned about their public image. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.800 And despite the fact that Shana said that she was 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.040 staying in Florida after Jared's murder, Kirsten says, Shana and 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.919 the twins are moving, though she doesn't know where. This 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.199 is really helpful information about what's happening now. But I 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.480 really think we need to map out Jared's last hours. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.920 So Deanna and I are looking at a map. She 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.800 went in and took some of the locations that are 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:48.600 important to the Jared case, his house, the ex wife's house, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.840 the location of the crime and things like that. But 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.160 what she also did is she actually outlined on the map, 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.280 like the route he would have taken from the house 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.600 to where the incident happened, and other things. This is 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.600 really great for us to understand. It kind of gives 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.719 a timing issue. Okay, you have ex wife's house at 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:07.639 this time, it would have taken an X amount of 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.080 minutes to get to this location or this happened. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.360 So what I did was I started at the ex 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.920 wife's house where he dropped off the children, and I 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.959 just I just like zoomed out right of the map 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:25.119 and said which way would he have traveled? Right? I 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.840 just drew it out. There's only really like one way 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:32.680 to go to end up at Sanctuary Boulevard. Right, It's interesting. Yeah, 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.440 it's interesting when you look at the neighborhood of Sanctuary Boulevard, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:41.040 there's only one way out. So I thought that was interesting. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:46.640 But anyway, so I marked the location of the crime scene. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:50.479 I watched a bunch of videos like news clippings, and 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:51.200 I saw. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.960 This is the one that says next to driver's side door, right. 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:58.320 Yeah, And if you look you can see the sign, 0:18:59.119 --> 0:18:59.840 the street. 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.200 The yield of the pole, it's leaning kind of die. 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.760 It's kind of leaning right. And so I just wanted 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.440 to verify what Kirsten told us. I mean, I obviously 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.240 I believe her, but I just want to verify right 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.760 on my own. So I watched all the news articles 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.840 and they showed this, and this is actually Jared's car 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:21.920 from that night, and it's parked right next to that sign, 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.800 like it's right there, right, And you can see if 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.760 you look at the front tire, the passenger side tire, 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.000 it's kind of diagonal with that sign. So it's right 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.639 in front of that sign, right. It's not past it, 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.000 it's not it's before the sign. So that's where I 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.840 marked the shooting pin on the map. And so it's 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:49.960 two point twenty six miles. 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.080 So in the neighborhood, you would drive twenty five miles 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.600 an hour break, yeah, and to go that it would 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.440 take you somewhere between five and ten minutes to get 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:58.840 from the house to the location. 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.919 I would, you know, wh When I mapped it out 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:03.760 in the Google Maps, it s hit something like twelve 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:08.480 minutes because it's all neighborhood, which is interesting to me 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:13.560 because there's a massive way to get there from like 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:18.480 a main road that he totally avoids. But according to Kirsten, 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.399 his wife, this is the route he took all the 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:25.119 time and it is an odd route. So in a 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:30.720 news article from News for Jacks, a police officer said, 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.840 I'm asking if you were along this roadway of South 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:38.480 Beach Parkway that leads to the on ramp to JTB, 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:43.400 which is the J. Turner Butler Boulevard, or from Jackson 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.840 Drive coming down Sanctuary Boulevard turning onto JTB, please give 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.560 us a call. It does not matter if you saw 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.879 something or you didn't see anything. We're asking if you 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.840 were in the area to call us. And they're looking 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.800 for anybody in the area between seven fifteen in eight pm. 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:06.159 And the reason that's important is Jared presumably dropped the 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.879 kids off at the ex wife's house at seven around 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:14.320 seven thirty, all right, So if they're looking for somebody 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:19.560 from seven point fifteen, they're theorizing that somebody was getting 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:24.040 set up around that time, right like they're parking their truck, 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.840 they're you know, putting the tire out whatever, or getting 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.440 ready to they're getting in position, and they want to know, 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.840 did you see anything? So I thought that was interesting. 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:42.359 So on the map, that is the route in like 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.240 the teal blue, and I thought, and this is important 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:51.280 because this is either the escape route or it's the 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:55.480 way they came in. And I feel like if we 0:21:55.600 --> 0:22:00.399 know where the surveillance cameras were that cap sure the 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:04.639 three videos that were released, then we'll be able to 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.600 figure that out. I think that would be a good 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:14.640 thing that the surveillance videos were captured on Setter Boulevard. 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.280 Oh my god, okay, I need I need to I'm 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:22.240 start freaking out. Okay, So if he or she is 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:27.359 leaving the crime scene and they take oh you can't. 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:32.639 That's only one way. 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:36.080 Talking about is that there's a video that the police 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.600 have of a four death one safety trout that happens 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.040 to be missing a tire. 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.159 That matches the tire that was left at the team 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:49.679 in this video. The front passenger tire is obviously a 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:53.159 spare tire. It doesn't match the other three. So in 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:57.119 the twelve oh two video, that front passenger tire is 0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:57.880 a spare tire. 0:22:58.160 --> 0:22:59.600 You're absolutely right. 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:01.679 That could be the tire that was left in. 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:06.640 The scene, right right. I'm like freaking out too much. 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:08.200 Yeah, they could depressed. 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:12.600 So remember last week when we were talking about this 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:16.600 and I was like, how do we know that there 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.440 it was the it was a tire left in the 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.919 way and not just the truck, right, Well now we know. 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:27.560 Now we know because if it was a truck that 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.520 was like in distress with its hood up or something, 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.359