Speaker 1: Wind down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, how you doing good? Coming up? I'm
Speaker 1: coming up for air and between birthday season here guys,
Speaker 1: So so neigh birthdays in August, that's how I feel
Speaker 1: in November, yes, and do you have things? Well, it's
Speaker 1: it's Roman and then a week later's Jace, a week
Speaker 1: later is me, a week later is Alan. That's four birthdays.
Speaker 1: A week later is Jesus, and then Jesus and then
Speaker 1: Jolie and in between Happy New Year. I feel like
Speaker 1: there's it's just a lot. Yeah. But Jace had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun at Legends. Jace I birthday, I was
Speaker 1: a little out of it because Easter I gave was
Speaker 1: a nurse and a back injury. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: be off today. Are you doing all right? Jace is
Speaker 1: just such a It's so fun because I love how
Speaker 1: Jace and Legend like love each other but they couldn't
Speaker 1: be any more opposite. Yeah, And I'm always like, oh,
Speaker 1: Jace is coming, this will be good for like us
Speaker 1: being like a dapperhandsome, like good standing kind of guy,
Speaker 1: you know, and Legend's like, Jace, get over you. Please
Speaker 1: tell the quote about my sister. Well, I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: if you wanted me too. I think it's hysterical. So
Speaker 1: it shows their personalities really well. Well, you're just so
Speaker 1: cute because it's like, yeah, like you said, they're they're
Speaker 1: very different, but not, I mean, Legend is still very
Speaker 1: you know sweet. Oh he's a good guy. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a good kid. He's just a very like outgoing character. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he's got I mean he has a mullet. Mullet,
Speaker 1: so you know, it's kind of his name is Legend
Speaker 1: wild like I did it to myself. Sure, so there,
Speaker 1: you know, and Jace is more cautious and a little
Speaker 1: bit more I say, it's sweet. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 1: it's fine. We all like we see it. But it
Speaker 1: takes him a second to kind of warm up to
Speaker 1: like the rough and toughness of like that energy. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's because he's with me seventy percent
Speaker 1: of the time, but you know, he's not tumbling with
Speaker 1: dudes a bunch, you know, I mean now him and
Speaker 1: like Alan Russell and stuff. But you know, anyways, I digress.
Speaker 1: So we walk in and he they're bouncing on the
Speaker 1: big bouncy house stuff. And the boys are just running. No,
Speaker 1: I walked into them throwing water balloons at the girls.
Speaker 1: It was the girls against the boys. There were six
Speaker 1: boys and two girls. They're just chucking these water balloons
Speaker 1: the girls. And then Jace, sweet Jace, goes to the
Speaker 1: girls team, and then the one of the kids goes, no,
Speaker 1: it's the girls. It's the guys against the boys against
Speaker 1: the girls. And he's like okay. So then he like
Speaker 1: kind of goes on the other side and gets into it.
Speaker 1: And then they're on the like the bounce thing, and
Speaker 1: the adults are inside and I've I can't move because
Speaker 1: of my back, so I'm just sitting on this chair, beautiful,
Speaker 1: nice legs backyard. Yeah, I love me. Thanks great, thank you, thanks.
Speaker 1: And I'm just observing and just kind of watching. And
Speaker 1: so it's Jace and Legend and they're bouncing up and
Speaker 1: down and he's like, attack the girls, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to attack my sister. He goes, well,
Speaker 1: then attack mine, and he was like like and he
Speaker 1: just kind of like stood there like he's a gentleman.
Speaker 1: He didn't He's like, well, I don't want to attack
Speaker 1: my sister. And then just without any well, then attack mine.
Speaker 1: I love that, like borrow mine. Then yes, that's but
Speaker 1: it was cute. They're sweet love that he lived his
Speaker 1: best life. It was Jake. It was Jay squinting. We
Speaker 1: did our version of Visit Cake. Legend loves that show,
Speaker 1: so we did like our own little thing. Jay's squinty,
Speaker 1: I mean so in it. Like I have several pictures
Speaker 1: of just him, Like he pulled his shades up but
Speaker 1: on the top of his head and he was like
Speaker 1: he was going to win. He was going to call
Speaker 1: which one was Cake. It was so cute to me. Well,
Speaker 1: he said the other day, he goes, Mom, can we
Speaker 1: have camp at the house? I was like, okay, so listen.
Speaker 1: That was not how their house always is. That was
Speaker 1: just for his birthday party. Yeah yeah, but if you'd
Speaker 1: like to camp sometime, we could figure it out. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And dude. Camp was two hours specified twice on the
Speaker 1: invitation and it was all outdoors. We want to be.
Speaker 1: I mean it's very against to like, it's against my
Speaker 1: DNA to have wild you know, and boys are crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was so sweet. Oh yeah, they
Speaker 1: had fun. Well, it's Legend wants everything, right, you ask
Speaker 1: them what the dream party is and usually includes like
Speaker 1: an aircraft and us flying somewhere, and so I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: say we kept it to like our postage stamp backyard,
Speaker 1: what would we do here? And he's like, ah, okay,
Speaker 1: and so we can mind all things. And I just
Speaker 1: labeled it dude camp And the next one's fifty preston. Yeah,
Speaker 1: next week, next week, crazy wild? Have we planned anything yet?
Speaker 1: We can't plan because we just never know where he'll be.
Speaker 1: He's not home so far though. Still he's back out again,
Speaker 1: so I think like Christmas, and it sounds like don't
Speaker 1: don't you have their shows like knowing what he's doing
Speaker 1: in the next two weeks. No, I mean we do,
Speaker 1: but then everything changes, like even just this morning has
Speaker 1: changed again, so we might have him next week really,
Speaker 1: but we don't think. So I can think shows come
Speaker 1: that like last minute, well they're doing they own their
Speaker 1: label now, so there's like extra other pieces that are
Speaker 1: also like that would be I'm like, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: always trying to change stuff. They wouldn't let me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, no, you're right, I wouldn't. Yeah, probably not,
Speaker 2: just like yeah, it's just a lot like it's great
Speaker 2: and stuff, very fruitful season. You know, summer is harvest
Speaker 2: season in the music industry. Well, let me know what
Speaker 2: we could do because I always love the fifty favorite
Speaker 2: things party. Oh yeah, where it's like you have fifty
Speaker 2: of your favorite things. So it's like fifty chocolateship cookies.
Speaker 1: Fifty, Kristin Bress, Yeah, fifty, fifty of your favorite friends fifty.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know. It's like it's cute. Someone through
Speaker 1: that one time, and I just always remember it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, when I'm fifty, you know, I had my
Speaker 1: big forty one. Now I want my now fifty fifty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy time. Yeah, correct, correct, I have done. I
Speaker 1: love birthdays so much so I feel a little like, okay,
Speaker 1: well this is our tenth birthday together, coming up on
Speaker 1: our tenth birthday, so I don't I'm like what I've
Speaker 1: done reverse surprise party for him. I've brought in his
Speaker 1: best friends from home, you know, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: and just the timing is tricky. So he said we're
Speaker 1: going to celebrate all year long. I do want to
Speaker 1: do like an overnight somewhere just us too. He did
Speaker 1: that for me, and I love it. It's like a
Speaker 1: gift to each other. Really, we should go somewhere. I
Speaker 1: could be with kids. I know you like to travel
Speaker 1: with the good I do love, but we could all
Speaker 1: like go run a house somewhere for like a long
Speaker 1: weekend in Florida or something that could be really fun.
Speaker 1: Bring the kids in December. Really, I'm like, when I
Speaker 1: don't say this is a okay, I love you, I
Speaker 1: don't see it unb wrapping. No, there was a gosh,
Speaker 1: what was the percentage? It was like eighty percent of children.
Speaker 1: The only thing they really remember are the family trips
Speaker 1: who took, not the birthday parties or any the is
Speaker 1: are there. I don't focus on those things. Focus on
Speaker 1: the trips that you take. Yeah you're really good at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah we love that trip. So I'm like, I got
Speaker 1: to do more trips. But then I just looked because
Speaker 1: I was going to go to Michigan for the weekend.
Speaker 1: It's for this weekend, No next weekend. Me. I was
Speaker 1: gonna try for four tickets twenty five hundred dollars. Correct,
Speaker 1: that's economy correct. I was like for to Michigan, to
Speaker 1: the twenty five metropolis of twenty five hundred dollars that's
Speaker 1: a delta. Southwest was twenty eight hundred. I was looking
Speaker 1: at Allegiance. That's where we got. I was like, I
Speaker 1: might actually fly the plane for a discount and rate,
Speaker 1: Like it's wild right now. I wanted to go tomorrow
Speaker 1: and we've been it's crazy. I don't and then you
Speaker 1: can't fight all the time. So I'm like, okay, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to book this and then do I even
Speaker 1: get to go?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it's kind of a mess gas lip by
Speaker 2: my airline is I do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It's been like that for a while really, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's especially well is it going to Detroit
Speaker 2: or going to one of the other tribes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not even like Travers City where that was
Speaker 1: normally would it be because normally the flights were like
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty two hundred. They've been high for
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: And the problem is is that Southwest you could always
Speaker 2: kind of count on to be cheaper and then are
Speaker 2: more affordable, but that has not been the case. No,
Speaker 2: have you heard that they're going to change the seating assigned?
Speaker 2: Not cool that some people are like so excited and
Speaker 2: some people are like, I don't understand why you don't
Speaker 2: like it, and then people it's like it's like it's
Speaker 2: so funny.
Speaker 1: What a team builder on Southwest? Yeah, it's a team builder.
Speaker 1: I love it, Like it's a travel you have to
Speaker 1: just go hey, like it's it's I like fighting for that.
Speaker 2: My only I don't really care. But my issue is
Speaker 2: going to be, then what are the costs going to be?
Speaker 1: Like exactly, it's going to be higher, and that's why
Speaker 1: we like Southwest, right.
Speaker 2: But also with Southwest you are paying higher to kind
Speaker 2: of get those higher anyway, So I don't know, it
Speaker 2: might even out, it might not. I'll have to see whatever.
Speaker 1: But I also just I just am like it's so
Speaker 1: I don't know, you get to meet different people, and
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cool. I will say though,
Speaker 1: when I'm traveling with the fans, I love having a
Speaker 1: sign seat. I love knowing. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: And that's where I travel so much for like cheer
Speaker 2: and stuff, and it's super stressful because with the kids,
Speaker 2: they may not be able to sit together or you
Speaker 2: may not be able to get on with some. So
Speaker 2: I don't I would prefer probably assigned seats. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just don't want the prices to be crazy because of it.
Speaker 1: Same and they're doing like a their version of a
Speaker 1: first class now too, which is, well, what are we
Speaker 1: going to be paying for that? Because there's no are
Speaker 1: they going to take the seats out and change first class?
Speaker 1: But they would probably do what they do in Europe,
Speaker 1: So there are classes. It's just the seat is still there.
Speaker 1: It makes zero. Yeah, I would be livid.
Speaker 2: Yeah if I actually because I umblicious face it, I
Speaker 2: did pay for that aid for a first class for myself.
Speaker 2: And if I did that and there was still a
Speaker 2: seat there, but like you can't even move from the thing.
Speaker 2: I literally stood there and stared at it for a while,
Speaker 2: like I could see you, what is happening? Trusting goes
Speaker 2: what is this? And I was like, oh, I think
Speaker 2: we're in first class.
Speaker 1: I think it wasn't first though, right, isn't it just
Speaker 1: like it's called premium. I guess one of them that, yeah,
Speaker 1: was the Tinier, That's what it was. Yeah, It's like
Speaker 1: we had the same one the three hour flight to Italy.
Speaker 1: It was the same thing. I'm like, this is so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I'd like to at least can I sit close? And
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm next to you. There's a middle seat.
Speaker 1: There's just a middle seat. If you could take this
Speaker 1: thing and move it can't move it can't move it.
Speaker 3: No, I know.
Speaker 1: I stared at it for a long time. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: So I have something that I just want to bring
Speaker 1: up that I feel like you guys are going to
Speaker 1: make fun of me for Oh goodie, just entered the chap.
Speaker 1: Can't you want some snacks? I've been Sam's Club. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I have to bring this up
Speaker 1: to my girls. I'm having like a midlife crisis. That's
Speaker 1: another podcast. But I brought this up in Italy and
Speaker 1: it's still staying with me and I don't know. I
Speaker 1: was like, I need to unpack this with my girls
Speaker 1: on wine Down. Okay, Okay, you're ready for it. So okay,
Speaker 1: I'm so cure.
Speaker 2: I like to guess before and I got sure, go ahead,
Speaker 2: I got nothing.
Speaker 1: Our personalities are so clear when you look at us
Speaker 1: like I'm like on the edge and be like okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, honey, share and Cat's already got squinty okay
Speaker 1: and go. So this came up in Italy when we
Speaker 1: were at Did you have any guesses? No? None, none,
Speaker 1: maybe none, nothing, pizza continue what I don't know Italy.
Speaker 1: So okay, so this came up when we were at
Speaker 1: a restaurant. I said to Alan, I said, well, I
Speaker 1: asked him the question, what's one thing you missed doing?
Speaker 1: And he said, I can't. Honestly, I can't remember. That's
Speaker 1: kind of crappy. Who maybe we should grab it. So
Speaker 1: and then he's like, what are you miss doing? And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, being here, I've it kind of
Speaker 1: made me miss this certain thing. Just from talking to
Speaker 1: the servers in Italy, I was like, I miss waitressing.
Speaker 1: I was like, because I love waitressing. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I love helping people, and I love like I some
Speaker 1: of my favorite youth memory memories, it's like a young
Speaker 1: adolescent was waitressing because I just love doing it. I
Speaker 1: loved the the the changing things, and like kind of
Speaker 1: managing everything, and then you know, helping people and like
Speaker 1: sitting down. I was I'd get fired a lot just
Speaker 1: because I would like sit down at the table and
Speaker 1: like be overly friendly. This is why we're best. You
Speaker 1: don't think we do that now, Because I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of my life feels very similar to everything
Speaker 1: you just described, right, but it's like because we have
Speaker 1: to oh and we don't get to want to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not getting paid for and I'm the cook too. Okay,
Speaker 1: what if I like applied somewhere and worked one day
Speaker 1: a week at like a brick like a bricktops or
Speaker 1: like I would would you guys con visit me.
Speaker 2: Duhaut every Monday?
Speaker 1: Is like this is my dream scenario? Like no, I'm
Speaker 1: like actually like he was laughing me, but I'm like
Speaker 1: actually being serious. I think it would be my time
Speaker 1: support it so much. I'm not sure when you're picking
Speaker 1: up it would be like my like literally said what
Speaker 1: is happening? But it would be like like literally because
Speaker 1: it's something that I enjoy doing. It would be like
Speaker 1: my time because I don't like sitting down, like okay,
Speaker 1: I struggle. It's just I'm here for it. Are laughing
Speaker 1: at my dreams. I am so here for it. It's
Speaker 1: just so just life. You're so serious, You're so serious.
Speaker 1: I want you to live your dreams. I can't. I
Speaker 1: support it so much. I just I feels like for
Speaker 1: your time not serving others. But I mean I like that.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, I love waitressing. I know I can't
Speaker 1: if you really love it that much to get out
Speaker 1: of the house, we might need a separate offline conversation.
Speaker 1: If I am giving you your latte at Starbucks because
Speaker 1: I need to get out of the house, I cannot wait. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have a couple of questions because I do think
Speaker 1: we are in similar seasons right now. I would say
Speaker 1: I went to third Eye blind and I felt like
Speaker 1: I could do that every weekend for the rest of
Speaker 1: it because we are saving a lot of catch stage.
Speaker 1: And then I started looking up like when is Yellow
Speaker 1: Card playing and Boys Like Girls? Because I just love
Speaker 1: the feeling I had and I I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm emotional.
Speaker 3: Or the same.
Speaker 1: No, it is, because there's so I think those seasons
Speaker 1: of our lives are so this laughing guys turned into
Speaker 1: a breakdown. I'm almost there too. That's why I'm like,
Speaker 1: like I can feel it that cat goes. I feel
Speaker 1: it changing, and I'm like, it's okay. No. I actually
Speaker 1: just had this thought this morning because I used to
Speaker 1: do a morning show for like seven years in Michigan
Speaker 1: on radio, and I love getting up at like four
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, like I love getting day under
Speaker 1: me before like everyone else even you know, blink, And
Speaker 1: I was like I have been in the season, like
Speaker 1: I named the podcast season last time, like living now
Speaker 1: in the good old days, because I don't think that
Speaker 1: we recognize like that we're in the good old days
Speaker 1: while we have them. Yeah, Like I was always stressed
Speaker 1: out when I was serving because I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get fired. I need this money, like
Speaker 1: you know, But like I look back and I'm like
Speaker 1: the wildest speaking times and so much fun. Like I
Speaker 1: laid by the pool till three, took a shower, put
Speaker 1: on my cute little like black pants, and grabbed my
Speaker 1: apron and made bank because caring well for people a
Speaker 1: densrit to myself is exactly what I'm good at, you know.
Speaker 1: But like I think a lot of that, Like the
Speaker 1: third I blind showed it to me because I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, we are listening to you guys. My husband
Speaker 1: definitely thinks I'm going through something because like all the
Speaker 1: music right now at home is like boys like Girls
Speaker 1: and Yellow Card and all those because I'm there's a
Speaker 1: time that it does something for me, Like there's a
Speaker 1: care free moment in time and I miss that. Not
Speaker 1: that I don't love what I have, right, but before
Speaker 1: I was a mom, before I was a wife two times,
Speaker 1: you know, like just don't make me count me. But
Speaker 1: like there's something really special about what those seasons were
Speaker 1: to us that it doesn't it makes sense to me
Speaker 1: that you'd want to go back. I would also say
Speaker 1: it won't feel the same. We can try it on
Speaker 1: if you want to, but I do it is sacred
Speaker 1: and special and fun and there's just a part of
Speaker 1: us that lived and I don't even think I think
Speaker 1: because of my worry and anxiety and never like really
Speaker 1: even soaked up everything I was inside of when I
Speaker 1: did it. So I mean, if you I can't wait,
Speaker 1: I want to be we want to be your first table.
Speaker 1: Oh it's happening. Yeah, is sending things back to the
Speaker 1: kitchen already? I would never Yeah, I think said that
Speaker 1: is that what's coming up for you right now?
Speaker 2: Which piece well, like like what she's saying, like you
Speaker 2: just wish you could.
Speaker 1: No. I think it's like we've had a lot of
Speaker 1: conversations in our house about like dreams and like living dreams,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, like my dream is to like be
Speaker 1: on a show again, right, So, like I really want
Speaker 1: to be on a show, and I'm super excited because
Speaker 1: we have Katie Lowe's coming on the show. And it's
Speaker 1: just you know, she's on a TV show that I
Speaker 1: actually tested for, and you know she's got a podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Scandal. But you know, Alan and I've
Speaker 1: been lots of conversation about like our dreams and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: you make great money, and I'm like, but what you
Speaker 1: don't understand is that, like I'm not making money on
Speaker 1: the stuff that like, I'm doing it because it's a
Speaker 1: means to support my children. And I've had to pivot.
Speaker 1: I was like, you don't think that I want to
Speaker 1: be out like busting it again, like because I love
Speaker 1: music or you know, like I would love to play
Speaker 1: big shows again. I'm like, but does that suit the
Speaker 1: mom life?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Does it suit like you know, you know, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'd love to be on a TV show again. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't. Those opportunities don't come all the time, so
Speaker 1: I have to make find means to support my kid,
Speaker 1: kids and you know, the house and everything else. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, just because it makes money does not mean
Speaker 1: that like I'm living my dream. And I'm like that's
Speaker 1: the piece where it's like, again, I'm so thankful. I
Speaker 1: don't want this to like come out the other way,
Speaker 1: like I'm very thankful for everything, and I've had to
Speaker 1: like be a scrapper and like you know, figure things
Speaker 1: out and kind of like Okay, let's do this and
Speaker 1: let's change here, and let's have a podcast and are
Speaker 1: right now, let's do that. And it's like so I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I love like creating and dreaming things, but it's
Speaker 1: not my ultimate dream, Like it's I enjoy it, but
Speaker 1: some of the things I don't enjoy doing, you know,
Speaker 1: especially when there's certain things that I just have to
Speaker 1: do it for the money piece of it. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I've just like been kind of in that
Speaker 1: mode where it's like and there's other things that obviously
Speaker 1: I can do, but it's that going back to like
Speaker 1: what you said, it's like those are the moments where
Speaker 1: I'm like I'd rather make nothing and enjoy what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: you know, and less responsibility. Like, yeah, those were the
Speaker 1: days where it was like I don't know. And I
Speaker 1: don't mean that either with like me, because I'm like
Speaker 1: I do know that I have to make but it's
Speaker 1: like when you know, we'd have conversations like we have,
Speaker 1: you're making great money, it's like it doesn't matter. That's
Speaker 1: not it actually doesn't do anything for me, Like a
Speaker 1: little piece of meat dies inside when I had to
Speaker 1: do certain things that like that I know I need
Speaker 1: to do to support my family and pay for MIC
Speaker 1: and you know all the stuff. So you know, that's
Speaker 1: where it's just like I gotta I gotta find something
Speaker 1: in there that is filling the cup when the dream
Speaker 1: is like so on. It seems at times in the
Speaker 1: world of like acting so unreachable that it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I gotta find something because in those moments it's just
Speaker 1: and it's only when like we bring up the topic
Speaker 1: because normally I can put my head down and I
Speaker 1: just go through like grind mode. But when it's brought up,
Speaker 1: that's when like all the emotions come up with it.
Speaker 1: So anyways, no, that makes sense. I just had this
Speaker 1: two hour emotional breakdown two weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 1: what is my Like I don't get a chance, Like
Speaker 1: it's hard to take off even like the all the
Speaker 1: hat that you wear to go like what is my dream?
Speaker 1: Because the dreams that I have always had and I
Speaker 1: still have don't really work well with like motherhood or
Speaker 1: a traveling husband or like, and we just talked about
Speaker 1: being like in a good content contentment place and like
Speaker 1: those both feelings can be had together. And I would
Speaker 1: venture to say that most anyone listening to this, especially women,
Speaker 1: would feel a lot of what we're saying. I know,
Speaker 1: but I'm getting to the point now. Were'm about to
Speaker 1: go check in and stamp my card at bricked Ups. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to tell you.
Speaker 2: I mean, if that makes you fulfilled, then do it.
Speaker 1: It's going to give me like a moment outside of
Speaker 1: like you know, just to like and co workers. I'm
Speaker 1: going to find something else. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's opening, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: everything seems like I want to do the charity. It's
Speaker 1: like everything is like so it's like so much. It's daunting.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of work and I'm like I'm like,
Speaker 1: how do I even start that? And like it's just
Speaker 1: a lot, Yeah it is. I got a call with
Speaker 1: Jason Waller and I'm just like my eyes are like, ohh,
Speaker 1: so much, but I want to do it. It's like
Speaker 1: it's going to take.
Speaker 2: A lot to that for sure. Well, and that's the
Speaker 2: thing that's so hard to think, especially for you. It's
Speaker 2: like you say yes to pretty much everything. It's very
Speaker 2: hard for you to say no, but.
Speaker 1: Because I know there's not going to be opportunities.
Speaker 2: Which which absolutely and that's understanding, and that would be
Speaker 2: anyone in your position would probably do the same. But
Speaker 2: sometimes I think if you can say no to a
Speaker 2: little bit more, to have that room in your life
Speaker 2: to really go, Okay, what is it that I really
Speaker 2: And I don't know the answer to that for myself,
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I don't think we all have
Speaker 2: to figure out what that thing is. But if there's
Speaker 2: not room for it, that feels even more daunting on
Speaker 2: top of all the things we already have to do.
Speaker 2: So I think freeing up some of your mind and
Speaker 2: your time and your space for.
Speaker 1: That will be helpful with that situation. Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: easier said, maybe we all go on your Hamburger or
Speaker 1: maybe I'll buy a restaurant. And I'm kidding anyways, but
Speaker 1: let's get im Katie on and talk all things scandal.
Speaker 1: Can't wait? Hi, Hey girl, Hey, Hi, I someone that
Speaker 1: comes fly from the closet. Yeah, kindreds, it's the only
Speaker 1: quiet place in my house.
Speaker 3: I used to like really make an effort and go
Speaker 3: somewhere with the pretty background, and then my kids would
Speaker 3: like invade and it was insane. And then I used
Speaker 3: to put up a pop up thing and then that's
Speaker 3: just annoying, so like it can fall over, and then.
Speaker 1: Aren't I supposed to like, oh yeah, falling over crazy?
Speaker 3: And then aren't I supposed to like know how to
Speaker 3: do backgrounds so that this is all like fuzzy.
Speaker 1: But I'm not technologically not even know how to do
Speaker 1: that either.
Speaker 3: I'm just hoping that my charisma and personality distract from.
Speaker 1: It already has. I love you so much. I have
Speaker 1: to tell you like a little funny not funny story,
Speaker 1: But so I tested for Hunting Wives and I was
Speaker 1: pinned did the whole thing, and my favorite part of
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, Katie's on the show
Speaker 1: and I was obsessed with you on Callie, Callie.
Speaker 3: Oh you would have been so great, totally different. As
Speaker 3: we all know, actress is insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, I mean because I ended up like
Speaker 1: obviously like seeing who it was, and I was like,
Speaker 1: she's amazing and she's so good. Yes, we're very different,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to just and I knew you guys
Speaker 1: were so close too. I was like, well that was
Speaker 1: that's good for her because they like their kids go
Speaker 1: to the same school like I went, because I like
Speaker 1: I needed to like you know, like make peace with it,
Speaker 1: because it was like one of those where like I was,
Speaker 1: I was devastated for like you know when you get
Speaker 1: that close and you're just like.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it just happened to my husband like yesterday,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eat this, I know. I I was just literally
Speaker 1: talking to my husband about too. I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know when you just feel like so defeated, nothing's happening,
Speaker 1: and then it's like those moments that are like you're
Speaker 1: so close and you're like you can just taste it,
Speaker 1: and then it goes away.
Speaker 3: And you're picturing your life like you're like, oh, I've
Speaker 3: already moved to Charlotte. Are my children functioning?
Speaker 1: When are they coming? When are they not? Like the
Speaker 1: an accent because Joe Jolie already has one living here
Speaker 1: in Tennessee like they had. I was like, I get
Speaker 1: what you are. You are no what would you have done?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, so I I mean I already had it,
Speaker 1: so I have a it did never actually happened, but
Speaker 1: like obviously, but there's I have two kids with them
Speaker 1: their husband, so it's like I would have taken them
Speaker 1: with me and just like you know, homeschool them whatever,
Speaker 1: and then I have a baby with my now husband,
Speaker 1: the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Gradually, Thank you, I've gotten down your whole Instagram. I
Speaker 3: was like, I love a blended family situation. It's so
Speaker 3: great girl.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I like, I mean, I had already
Speaker 1: had the conversations. Once I got pinned, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I am like so and just
Speaker 1: like they're like just between you and someone else, but
Speaker 1: they're like you know, saying all the things, and then
Speaker 1: they call you the next day and go, well, they
Speaker 1: leaned the other way, and I was like unpacked the boxes.
Speaker 1: It was like the gutturll like oh, but then I
Speaker 1: was like friends with the other CALLI anyways, so well,
Speaker 1: we're very know each other for like twenty years.
Speaker 3: We've been in the same mountears. We had no idea
Speaker 3: that like either of I went in for Cali as well,
Speaker 3: which is a ridiculous mistake. I love coming out called
Speaker 3: The Hunting Wives and CALLI is like a sexy, sexy
Speaker 3: woman like yourself.
Speaker 1: You're sexy as well. Now I am not.
Speaker 3: I booked the one that says dowdier than the rest, which.
Speaker 1: I like it. I feel way, I feel.
Speaker 3: Better in that arena. I just do like I cannot
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: I mean. The lead of the show is mal And Ackerman.
Speaker 3: She's a Swedish beautiful you know, model turned actorate Like
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, this is not like these are like
Speaker 3: the hottest hoots like leeah. Anyway, I auditioned for Cali
Speaker 3: and they called me and they were like, would you
Speaker 3: come in and read for Jill, which was a different
Speaker 3: one of The Hunting Wives. For those of you listening,
Speaker 3: it's just to show like everyone's a wife of somebody
Speaker 3: who's a big deal in East Texas town. So it's
Speaker 3: like the sheriff's wife, the mayor's wife, the governor's wife, the.
Speaker 1: Preacher's wife, which is me. I would be great.
Speaker 3: My husband was up for something yesterday that was going
Speaker 3: to be shooting in Ireland and I was like already,
Speaker 3: like we're going to international school for the kids, my
Speaker 3: mom's moving with us.
Speaker 1: You're like tonight for dinners, fish and chips, yea or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And then it's like, no, the deal.
Speaker 3: You know, he was this runner up and this you know,
Speaker 3: the first choice ended up making the deal work. And
Speaker 3: you know, they strung him along for a long time,
Speaker 3: like we don't think it's gonna work.
Speaker 1: We don't think is going to work. And then he.
Speaker 3: Knows the actor that was in the first position, and
Speaker 3: he was like, I'm just going to call my friend,
Speaker 3: and he called his friend.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh no, no, I'm totally doing it.
Speaker 1: Like I have three kids. I have to put food
Speaker 1: on the table.
Speaker 3: And Adam was like, what the like, this is just anyway,
Speaker 3: It's all good.
Speaker 1: It's I think. I mean, I don't well, I mean
Speaker 1: I am, but I'm amazed. Was it fun? Did you
Speaker 1: have fun doing the Hunting Wives? I just have to
Speaker 1: do I had. I really did have a good time.
Speaker 1: It was so great. Huh you had such a good Sorry,
Speaker 1: I would be really so I never get to I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry.
Speaker 3: I never worked away from the kids. This was my
Speaker 3: first job.
Speaker 1: How old are your kids? My kids are six and
Speaker 1: a half and three and a half.
Speaker 3: And I've taken I'm an older boy and a little girl,
Speaker 3: and I've taken them on every job thus far. My
Speaker 3: husband and I are both actors, and we've been fortunate enough
Speaker 3: to work in like really crazy, different cool places, and
Speaker 3: we've always taken the kids. And this is that first
Speaker 3: year that you hear about where like, oh, shoot, he
Speaker 3: has to go to school because he's at a public
Speaker 3: school and attendance. Actually, Matt, like, you know, you can't
Speaker 3: just pull him out forever and then expect them to
Speaker 3: have a spot waiting for you and all of this.
Speaker 3: So I was pretty nervous, you know, just going through
Speaker 3: the auditions and just thinking, okay, like this is going
Speaker 3: to be my first foray into commuting back and forth
Speaker 3: from Charlotte, North Carolina to Los Angeles, leaving my kids
Speaker 3: here with my husband.
Speaker 1: He did a phenomenal job.
Speaker 3: I cried so much the couple's therapy, like leading up
Speaker 3: to it was just only about my anxiety and leaving
Speaker 3: my kids.
Speaker 1: But everybody thrived.
Speaker 3: I think that was really the big great lesson was like,
Speaker 3: you know, if you marry the right person who is
Speaker 3: willing to really jump in and he does, I'm like,
Speaker 3: and I've done it for him too, Like last year
Speaker 3: he was in Budapest for like eight months, and you know,
Speaker 3: so we're pretty like good at really picking up this
Speaker 3: black when one person get is earning the living, you know,
Speaker 3: but I was terrified to leave them and then it
Speaker 3: really you know, my kid is probably having slight anxiety
Speaker 3: and separation from it, but hey, he was going to
Speaker 3: get it at some time. He comes from a long
Speaker 3: line of anxious New Yorkers. It's he's going to be
Speaker 3: in therapy with whatever way you look at it.
Speaker 1: So whatever. Well, I mean, that's it's amazing though, because
Speaker 1: that we're all obviously moms and we get the mom
Speaker 1: guilts and it's it's a real thing. But to know,
Speaker 1: and there was something that we were just chatting about
Speaker 1: the other day after we podcasted, and she's like, yes,
Speaker 1: we can all do hard things. But sometimes when you
Speaker 1: when you do those hard things, then you realize, oh wait,
Speaker 1: I can do this, especially you know, being a mom
Speaker 1: and trying to juggle it all. So it's that's a
Speaker 1: good thing to remember, like you did it. It's amazing
Speaker 1: you can do it. Maybe it was hard at times,
Speaker 1: but you still got through it and it.
Speaker 3: Was awesome at times. That was the unexpected thing was
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I definitely felt mom guilt.
Speaker 3: My kids would be like screaming, crying, running down the
Speaker 3: driveway when I was getting in to go to the airport.
Speaker 3: It was very dramatic at moments, and there are moments
Speaker 3: where they were angry and things like that, but there
Speaker 3: were a lot of moments of just total joy of
Speaker 3: like remembering who I am separate of my mom identity.
Speaker 3: There were moments of like me line dancing and two
Speaker 3: stepping in Charlotte, like drunk off my ass with a
Speaker 3: cowgirl hat on and just being like this is the shit,
Speaker 3: or being you know, having a random day off in
Speaker 3: between two working days and just sort of twiddling my
Speaker 3: thumbs like, oh my god, I think I'm gonna like
Speaker 3: is it okay, I'm gonna go to a yoga class
Speaker 3: and I'm just gonna watch like six hours straight of
Speaker 3: like Bridgerton season three or whatever, and you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like those are things I do not allow
Speaker 3: myself to do in LA which I need to look at,
Speaker 3: but because I'm like, well, there's always like something to do,
Speaker 3: like a grocery shop or a pickup or a play
Speaker 3: date or let's get them in the whatever it is.
Speaker 3: So it was sort of really great and I'm very
Speaker 3: much now like looking word to the next job that
Speaker 3: takes me away.
Speaker 1: Adam kept being like, I told you you love it.
Speaker 3: I told you you love it because he's done it
Speaker 3: more than I have.
Speaker 1: Levann he was just like, you're gonna really love it.
Speaker 1: I did. Do You've got to find you in it again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the piece of you that we ta table
Speaker 1: while we're parents, Yeah, we do. Like, oh, it really sucks.
Speaker 3: And also there is something to be said where like,
Speaker 3: you know, I was thousands of miles away from them,
Speaker 3: I could not help, you know, like, which is very
Speaker 3: good in a way, because I would figure out a
Speaker 3: way to get there, you know. And it I did
Speaker 3: do like thirteen flights in three months and almost like
Speaker 3: fell over.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I came back like every five to seven days, and
Speaker 3: and anytime I had a Monday or a Friday off,
Speaker 3: I was home. And then you know, it was sort
Speaker 3: of figuring out for yourself, like Okay, just because you're
Speaker 3: home for three days doesn't mean you have to be
Speaker 3: super mom. In those three days, I'm like cleaning lunch
Speaker 3: boxes within an inch of their life and clipping their
Speaker 3: toenails because nobody else is doing it, and you know
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, you probably were pushing it a little hard.
Speaker 3: You could have just taken them to a movie, napped
Speaker 3: with them, cuddled, let their nails grow.
Speaker 1: Who gives?
Speaker 3: You know, Like I just I found myself doing those
Speaker 3: sort of like ridiculous control tasks to try to like
Speaker 3: show how much I love them when I.
Speaker 1: Was definitely nail clippers and attachment, healthy attachment go hand
Speaker 1: in hand. Yeah, but also like who else.
Speaker 3: Is doing that stuff? That's the thing I really think
Speaker 3: My husband is never he's great, Never has clipped their nails.
Speaker 1: Never, well it's a little primal, but taking care of
Speaker 1: them in that way, like the grooming them, the shampooe nails,
Speaker 1: for sure, Alan hasn't no clip. Preston gets really overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: He's like, those are so microscopic. There's no way. It's
Speaker 1: hard for those little baby fingers. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so hard and it's so crazy.
Speaker 3: It's a mommy gorilla like yeah, like grooming and approving
Speaker 3: and all. Yeah, And I'm like, no washes their head
Speaker 3: like I wash their heads of course, not like and
Speaker 3: I'm inspecting everything. You know, of course everything's okay, but like.
Speaker 1: No one else is going to look at her ear
Speaker 1: lobes that way except for me. That's has anybody checked
Speaker 1: in on them lately? You know? It's why? That's right?
Speaker 1: That's how how is it with three?
Speaker 3: Because I feel like when you have three you kind
Speaker 3: of have to give up on that which sounds a
Speaker 3: little bit, which sounds so great, like it sounds so refreshing.
Speaker 3: It'd be like, I literally just don't have the capacity
Speaker 3: to like it's a force.
Speaker 1: It's a forced way into like letting go am so
Speaker 1: a type and control and micro helicopter. And I've had
Speaker 1: to Yeah, I had to turn it over or or
Speaker 1: none of us would survive or we'd all be operating
Speaker 1: under laminated sheets. And I'm the only one that cares
Speaker 1: about that, am I? How many do you have? Three?
Speaker 1: We all have three? All three? Right?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: You all have three?
Speaker 3: That seems so wild to me. My son, who six
Speaker 3: and a half, keeps begging for me to have a
Speaker 3: third for some reason, all of his dear friends in
Speaker 3: school are one of three kids, and he's just like,
Speaker 3: how dare you? Like how we only have two?
Speaker 1: Like it's notice that none of them are one of
Speaker 1: four though, because three is where we all are, like
Speaker 1: ants are wrap. Yeah, really it's not. I don't think
Speaker 1: three is that hard. I truly don't think.
Speaker 3: Did you grow up in a house that had a
Speaker 3: lot of kids though.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like three. But I thought one to two
Speaker 2: was the hardest by far, Like zero to one was
Speaker 2: a little hard. I thought zero to one was easy.
Speaker 2: One to two was I thought my life was over.
Speaker 2: And then by the time I got to wanting a third,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is easy, like you, I mean,
Speaker 2: you just one person has to But mine are older too,
Speaker 2: so they're spread out. So my oldest they are that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I have fifteen, twelve and eight, so yeah eight.
Speaker 1: I have eight and six, so it's like or eight
Speaker 1: and five. He's almost ex but like it's like having
Speaker 1: one all over again, like my nine month old is
Speaker 1: you know, it's like having one incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you were auditioning for hunting wives when you
Speaker 3: have like a little baby, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Girl, MoMA's got am.
Speaker 3: And I am so impressed with you.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: I could not gene crate. I don't stop I think
Speaker 3: about it. And then I think I agree with you.
Speaker 3: One to two broke me in a way where I
Speaker 3: was like the book stops here, this is not One
Speaker 3: to two was so bananas to have like a toddler
Speaker 3: running around who wants your attention and their whole world
Speaker 3: explodes while you're dealing with a newborn. And I some
Speaker 3: people really love the newborn stage. That is not me.
Speaker 3: I think it is a hellscape.
Speaker 1: That is.
Speaker 3: I don't like no sleeping and no reward with it,
Speaker 3: like baby doesn't care who you are, Like.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like it doesn't matter. I
Speaker 1: describe it best as a foreign exchange student program, and
Speaker 1: it feels like we don't speak the same language. I
Speaker 1: don't think you actually appreciate what you Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: like it when we can talk. I love the newborn stage.
Speaker 1: So it's only because my husband let me sleep. So
Speaker 1: my husband did not let me sleep.
Speaker 2: Well, we switched off, But I still love the newborn stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cat love it.
Speaker 3: My best friend she is becomes like the most earth
Speaker 3: mother goddess love bubble person where she's just like walking
Speaker 3: around like in a daze, and she like loves it.
Speaker 3: There's like a baby on her breast in her bed
Speaker 3: and all that, and I'm just like pulling my fucking hands.
Speaker 1: Were non three women, but doctor Brown really pulled through baby,
Speaker 1: That's why we loved it. Well, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't can't speak to that.
Speaker 3: I rested for so long for both kids, and I
Speaker 3: don't know why I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I like, why do that to yourself?
Speaker 1: None of the rumors for me were true.
Speaker 3: That did not make me get like skinny really quickly,
Speaker 3: Like that was absolutely horseshit. I I don't know why
Speaker 3: I was so I was. I gave birth in a
Speaker 3: group of moms where everyone was doing.
Speaker 1: Are you pregnant? Were you pregnant? Around the same time.
Speaker 3: On the show I was pregnant the final season of Scandal,
Speaker 3: and they wrote it in for Quinn. Blessedness, Shonda Rhimes,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for that gift. And then I
Speaker 3: went back.
Speaker 1: To Carrie was pregnant what twice?
Speaker 3: Harry was pregnant twice, and so many people on Grays
Speaker 3: had had babies too, And I was friends with a
Speaker 3: lot of those girls, and they were just sort of like, actually,
Speaker 3: this is a great story. They were all like, get
Speaker 3: it done. Under Shanda, She's the best of the best.
Speaker 3: She'll take care of you. She's done it a million times.
Speaker 3: No one will mess with you, blah blah blah. And
Speaker 3: she actually we were hanging out in her office because
Speaker 3: we're friends, but we were hanging out in her office
Speaker 3: and she just sort of looked at me and she
Speaker 3: was like, what are you doing? And I was like,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? And she was like, well,
Speaker 3: do you want to have a family? And I was
Speaker 3: like I do.
Speaker 1: I just like I was like, clearly, is this a
Speaker 1: test here? I am.
Speaker 3: I'm like thirty six, thirty seven years old, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I still just don't feel like I've grown up enough
Speaker 3: to do that, even though I'd been with my husband
Speaker 3: for like eleven years or something like we've we've been
Speaker 3: a really long time. And she was like, well, before
Speaker 3: other people know this, and I think some people dead
Speaker 3: said it, but in my memory of it, it goes
Speaker 3: like she said, no one knows, but next season's gonna
Speaker 3: be the last season of Scandal, and if I were you,
Speaker 3: if you want to have a baby, I would get
Speaker 3: it done on my watch. And I literally ran home
Speaker 3: and like told my husband to.
Speaker 1: Take a.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, my God, Shanna said, I should
Speaker 3: have a baby like right now, because you know scandal,
Speaker 3: I should do it like while I'm working and have
Speaker 3: a job, because she'll write it in and she'll write
Speaker 3: out all the months I need off and I'll have
Speaker 3: a job to come back to, which sort of like
Speaker 3: really helps you, like you know, just have a date
Speaker 3: on the books with which you're like back in like
Speaker 3: some sort of functioning mode. So I did have the
Speaker 3: baby on the final season of Scannal, and the whole
Speaker 3: time people thought I was so hilarious out of my
Speaker 3: mind that she was like, We're gonna start Shondaala in audio,
Speaker 3: would you like to host a mom podcast called Katie's Crib?
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, So I just basically do
Speaker 3: what Shonda says and follow because when a genius is
Speaker 3: like walking amongst you, or do you just say okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: my second baby. Similarly, I was on Inventing Anna and
Speaker 3: I was supposed to wrap in April, and I was
Speaker 3: hanging out with Shonda again and I said to her,
Speaker 3: I said, Okay, I think we're going to have a
Speaker 3: second but I'm gonna get pregnant hopefully and no one
Speaker 3: will know, like I'll be I'll be like four or
Speaker 3: five weeks pregnant and then we're gonna wrap. So I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna like tell production or anything. If this all
Speaker 3: works out, I don't know, but we've been trying and
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. I do get pregnant and a week
Speaker 3: later production shuts down in the world shuts down because
Speaker 3: it's March thirteenth of twenty twenty. So she was like
Speaker 3: my first email when I was like, I'm pregnant. I
Speaker 3: still owe like half of this series, this show, I
Speaker 3: don't know what's happening. And they waited a full year
Speaker 3: for me to have the baby, and then four months
Speaker 3: after they pushed all of my scenes to be the
Speaker 3: last six weeks of the entire production, and they move
Speaker 3: the whole production to La so that I didn't have
Speaker 3: to travel.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's what I credible.
Speaker 3: I know she is a mom, well, she has three
Speaker 3: kids herself, and she's just like you know. I mean, now,
Speaker 3: I think the business has gotten way better and is
Speaker 3: like actually paying attention of taking care of women who
Speaker 3: are also mothers in this business. I think it probably
Speaker 3: used to be terrible, but I think in Shondaland, it's
Speaker 3: always been that way. You know, Ellen Pompeio is a mom,
Speaker 3: Like there's just like yeah, so she's just really good
Speaker 3: at being like work life balance, you can have be
Speaker 3: a mom, you can come to work. We will figure
Speaker 3: it out. We had something we had like you know,
Speaker 3: there's ten to one on set, or if you have
Speaker 3: to go to the bathroom or to whatever, we'd like
Speaker 3: special code words for like you had to go back
Speaker 3: to your trailer and breastfeed every two and a half hours.
Speaker 3: We did that and Carrie did that.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. I love that. I'm really excited about
Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox podcast because so Catherine was the one
Speaker 1: you actually got me into Scandal because she was like thanks, yes,
Speaker 1: So it was probably like second season maybe you're like yeah, probably.
Speaker 1: I'm always we're always kind of like, right, what do
Speaker 1: we what are we watching? What do we watching? And
Speaker 1: she's like Scandal, it's so good. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll let me. Let me go back and start watching
Speaker 1: my two favorite scandals now like to like my top two.
Speaker 1: It's a Scandal to this day is it's.
Speaker 3: It's see why you would love hunting wives. Just I
Speaker 3: get it into I'm here for that love.
Speaker 1: So but it's it's one of those I'm like, it
Speaker 1: was such a good show that I'm like, I now
Speaker 1: want to go back rewatch and I'll listen to your podcast,
Speaker 1: So I think I actually wanting to do that. We
Speaker 1: should do it together. Yeah yeah, and Alan's never seen
Speaker 1: it too, and we cannot find a show that we're
Speaker 1: you know that we all watch. Yeah, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's go back because it is because even to this day,
Speaker 1: I imagine it's still going to stand the test of
Speaker 1: you know, oh my god, it totally does.
Speaker 3: I actually didn't even think about when when people started
Speaker 3: doing rewatch podcasts and I was like, oh, I'd really
Speaker 3: like to do the Scandal one. And I called shondaland
Speaker 3: Audio and I was like, hey, guys, someone's going to
Speaker 3: do the rewatch podcast and I hope it's me. Can
Speaker 3: it be me? Can I pitch me? And I think
Speaker 3: it should be Geirmo and I'm gonna call him right now.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 3: I didn't even finish my sentence. He was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm in what are we doing?
Speaker 1: I like so much.
Speaker 3: The only thing I didn't think through was like actually
Speaker 3: rewatching the episodes. Like I knew I was down to
Speaker 3: talk about it. I knew I was down to like
Speaker 3: have our guests on and all the Scandal cast and
Speaker 3: directors and writers and guest stars and recurrings and all
Speaker 3: the great people that were amazing on the show. But
Speaker 3: then I thought, oh, we have to watch like all
Speaker 3: the episodes, and I that was a long time ago,
Speaker 3: and I don't remember a lot, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if it was good or if it holds up.
Speaker 1: And the greatest gift has been just like a one
Speaker 1: holds up the show.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm watching all the other hit things that
Speaker 3: are Emmy nominated and this, that and the other thing,
Speaker 3: and Scandal is still right there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so good. Wait and you were Connie Britton's nanny,
Speaker 1: like nanny. Yeah, I was supposed to be her assistant.
Speaker 1: I had interviewed to me.
Speaker 3: I had had every odd and end job in all
Speaker 3: of Los Angeles, you know, babysitting, waitressing, bartending.
Speaker 1: Did you ever would ranch girl? That was an patch
Speaker 1: is where my I'd go back and forth pot I
Speaker 1: got fired for not being able to open a wine
Speaker 1: bottle there, and I'm like, oh the irony now, oh
Speaker 1: my god. So You're like, I'm never again. While I
Speaker 1: get fired her.
Speaker 3: That that cedar playing salmon is delivered so good in
Speaker 3: the LA area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, so I was like sort.
Speaker 3: Of at my wits end and getting close and not
Speaker 3: getting anything enough to really quit all the side hustle jobs.
Speaker 3: And then I'd always said I'm never going to be
Speaker 3: anyone's personal assistant because that just seems fucking terrible. But
Speaker 3: then I had a friend of a friend of Connie
Speaker 3: Britton's and they were like, go interview with her or
Speaker 3: she lived up the street, and she's such a real
Speaker 3: icon actress for me, and I just think she's so
Speaker 3: wonderfully talented. So I was like, fine, I'm gonna interview
Speaker 3: and see if it's a fit. I interviewed. We talked
Speaker 3: for like four hours, and she said two days went
Speaker 3: by and she called me and she said, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: But I was scrolling through the channels, which is something
Speaker 3: we used to do, and she said, and you popped
Speaker 3: up as a guest star in private Practice, and I
Speaker 3: feel like you're a good actress and you should really
Speaker 3: not take this job. And if you don't book something
Speaker 3: by April, you can be my personal assistant, but right now,
Speaker 3: just babysit for my kid and keep auditioning, and the
Speaker 3: next week I book Scandal.
Speaker 1: Stop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when I say babysitting for her like on Mondays,
Speaker 3: like and then and now we're dear dear friends, like
Speaker 3: and her son is a dear dear friend of mine
Speaker 3: and whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you got that call, did in that moment,
Speaker 1: did you know that your whole kind of world and
Speaker 1: acting life wasn't change or was it just like who
Speaker 1: knows that this show is going to hit or not? No?
Speaker 3: I mean I think you're always or I am always
Speaker 3: like this isn't going to work out. You know. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: the pilot's not pill and I'm going to get fired.
Speaker 3: You know, they're going to figure out that I'm terrible,
Speaker 3: you know all these things. But when I got the job,
Speaker 3: it was so crazy. It's on the behind the scenes
Speaker 3: I think DVD of season one. But I had auditioned
Speaker 3: for Shonda a bunch of times for other shows she
Speaker 3: had and not gotten them. And Scandal. I went in.
Speaker 3: I read the first scene of the pilot, which is
Speaker 3: when Quinn runs in and she's with Harrison right and
Speaker 3: he's like, you're gonna work for Olivia Pope, And I'm
Speaker 3: like Olivia Pope, the Olivia Pope. And he's like, do
Speaker 3: you want to be a gladiator suit?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I want to be a gladiator suit
Speaker 1: whatever we all wanted to be Olivia. I want all
Speaker 1: of her jackets, all of ours, Oh my god, the best.
Speaker 3: But I did the scene and she said, okay, do
Speaker 3: it one more time, to do it as fast as
Speaker 3: you possibly can. And I was like, okay, I've been
Speaker 3: told to talk slower my whole life, so this might
Speaker 3: be a fit. I left and a few days later
Speaker 3: they were like, they're going to test you. You're going
Speaker 3: to go back in. I went back in, thought I
Speaker 3: was going to test, and they had the camera rolling
Speaker 3: and she said, you don't need to do the scene
Speaker 3: because I've already sent your first tape to ABC Studio
Speaker 3: Network and I'm just going to give you the role. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so I just start sobbing, which is like all
Speaker 3: you could go. I don't know, I haven't looked at
Speaker 3: up a while, but I just start sobbing, and I
Speaker 3: was like, what happens now?
Speaker 1: And she's like, we're gonna make a pilot to call you.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a fitting, and I'm like you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a fitting. And then they're like, what happen. I'm
Speaker 1: there's a table read. There's gonna be a table read.
Speaker 3: And then I'm just, yeah, I look so bumbling and
Speaker 3: I'm an ugly crier. I look terrible, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: can I hug everybody? She's like, yes, you can hug me.
Speaker 3: And I hugged everybody, and no, I never I mean,
Speaker 3: that was a magical experience. And from that moment it
Speaker 3: was magical for ten years, Like, truly.
Speaker 1: There was never there was no scandal on set.
Speaker 3: It sucks.
Speaker 1: We always say, it's just ridiculous. There was so much
Speaker 1: drama on the show. And we couldn't have been.
Speaker 3: A more well behaved, kind, boring, ywon fest of a cast.
Speaker 3: Like nobody was sleeping with anybody.
Speaker 1: There was no drama.
Speaker 3: Everyone was like so prepared and type A and just
Speaker 3: like really fucking grateful to like be on this ride. Truly,
Speaker 3: but no, it was great.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's.
Speaker 3: The best number one in the business. I mean, this girl.
Speaker 3: And you hear these stories coming up of like girls
Speaker 3: fighting for like the front seat of the van or
Speaker 3: I don't know that, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to have separate cars to drive down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Carrie was like, Okay, do you need help finding an
Speaker 3: outfit for like this red carpet And I'm like yeah,
Speaker 3: She's like, ohh on, let me call blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Like she goes above and beyond in like just like
Speaker 3: you know, sisterhood, and you know, whatever happens that's good
Speaker 3: for you is good for the show. So when like
Speaker 3: Bellamy Young gets Jimmy Kimmel and Carrie's over here and
Speaker 3: I'm over there and Darby's are here, like, it was
Speaker 3: so supportive. And I really feel like I grew up
Speaker 3: learning all of that about how people behave and treat
Speaker 3: themselves in this and treat each other in this business.
Speaker 3: And I've been so like I try to take all
Speaker 3: of that onto every set I'm on. And it was
Speaker 3: a wonderful place to work. And she taught me so
Speaker 3: so so much. And No, I never knew it was
Speaker 3: going to be a big deal or that I was.
Speaker 3: I mean, we were on the bubble.
Speaker 1: We did set.
Speaker 3: They gave us seven episodes the first season, and we
Speaker 3: were all like I.
Speaker 1: Think Seandan, I think people were pissed.
Speaker 3: They were like I can't believe we didn't get a
Speaker 3: full order, like we didn't even get thirteen, like we
Speaker 3: got seven, because they kind of were like, we don't know.
Speaker 3: And then after we did seven, we were on the
Speaker 3: bubble for a season two pick up. Uh huh, And
Speaker 3: then I swear to god they picked us up and
Speaker 3: it wasn't until the middle of season two, which ended
Speaker 3: up being a great thing because we figured out the show,
Speaker 3: like it wasn't like an overnight success. And now we're like,
Speaker 3: oh god, we don't know why this worked, and we
Speaker 3: don't know who our characters are and we don't know
Speaker 3: what we're doing. We had already done, you know, fifteen
Speaker 3: seventeen episodes before people started caring, so we had a
Speaker 3: little bit under our belt. But I remember being on
Speaker 3: the red carpet for something and I'm standing next to
Speaker 3: Tony Goldwyn and some interviews like how does it feel
Speaker 3: to be on a hit show? And I was like,
Speaker 3: are we Is this a hit show where we're doing?
Speaker 3: And they were like, yeah, it's a hit show. And
Speaker 3: I was like, did you guys, Like I honestly was
Speaker 3: like and they were like, no, idea, Like we've just
Speaker 3: been in a bubble.
Speaker 1: We didn't know did you want who? Did you want
Speaker 1: Olivia to end up with? Oh?
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny, you know. I was always so team Jake,
Speaker 3: like so team Jake. And now that i'm watching it back,
Speaker 3: no racking the toolbox. The chemistry between Fit's it's untable.
Speaker 3: And that's so insane because they are both so not
Speaker 3: like that, Like I have to remind myself. Yeah, when
Speaker 3: I watch it, I'm like, these are two of my dear,
Speaker 3: dear friends who have no chemistry, like like they love
Speaker 3: each other as humans, but like I know, they're significant others,
Speaker 3: like there's no yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, and then I'm watching The Shore Unpacking. Yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Watching the show back and I'm like, what the hell,
Speaker 3: Like they are so steamy and so making out and
Speaker 3: pushing each other up against different things.
Speaker 1: Katie's like, shame on you.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I'm just like, holy shit, I kind
Speaker 3: of get why. I mean, at the time, people were
Speaker 3: so obsessed with them, like I saw girls. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you saw this on your show too, like asking fits
Speaker 3: to sign their body parts and like all that stuff
Speaker 3: was going on. But scuff fully, you know, he's he's
Speaker 3: like a brother to me. You know, he's the best,
Speaker 3: and so I was always team Jake.
Speaker 1: But now that i'm watching it back, sorry, Scott, I think.
Speaker 3: Fits I really lounds.
Speaker 1: Like you're a team fits Her. Like I was like
Speaker 1: if they didn't, yeah, you know, I just I just
Speaker 1: love them.
Speaker 3: So hot, like the hottest, the hottest. And we were
Speaker 3: all so pregnant on the show. Now that I'm watching
Speaker 3: the back, we're in the season where Carrie's pregnant the
Speaker 3: first time, and we just had like Scott on or something,
Speaker 3: and he was saying, you know, shooting a big sex
Speaker 3: scene with a woman who's nine months I mean she
Speaker 3: shot till the end. So he's like, oh, shoot, we
Speaker 3: can't like roll on top of I can't roll on her,
Speaker 3: like God forbid. So everyone's like figuring out positions for
Speaker 3: a pregnant woman. I mean it was like crazy, and
Speaker 3: these are the days where we would do like you
Speaker 3: got like you did, you know, twenty something episode.
Speaker 1: So you're working ten months of the year.
Speaker 3: It's not like you could go be pregnant for six
Speaker 3: of those months and just work four like you saw
Speaker 3: the whole thing. But it was really it's a special.
Speaker 3: We just went on a girl's trip. I mean, we're
Speaker 3: just like veryver fun. I just slept over stuff Foley's house.
Speaker 3: I mean, his kids are my kids, dearest friends. It's wonderful.
Speaker 1: See that's what you want to hear about a show
Speaker 1: that you've loved. Everybody's just great. I know. It always
Speaker 1: makes me sad, like as much as I love Sex
Speaker 1: in the City too, Like when you hear that it's
Speaker 1: like that, it just it makes me sad because I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: so then it wasn't real. Yeah, no, friend, Like I
Speaker 1: don't want to know. I want everybody to be great.
Speaker 1: I agree, it was.
Speaker 3: It was so they used to oppress people just to
Speaker 3: make fun of us at events because we would sort
Speaker 3: of just only hang out with each other and they'd
Speaker 3: be like, can you go talk to other people and
Speaker 3: be like, we're just sort like we were just honestly
Speaker 3: very much in love and it was really and everybody,
Speaker 3: even though you know there was one. I'm not a
Speaker 3: bad apple, but Josh Molina, who played David Rosen, is
Speaker 3: sort of like the prankster on set. He's a real shit.
Speaker 3: We love him, but he's brilliant and is the one
Speaker 3: that's like.
Speaker 1: You could see him being a little potstar with him.
Speaker 3: Whipped cream under your trailer door, shaving cream under your
Speaker 3: car handle. You know, just like dumb stuff like that,
Speaker 3: but you know you need one of those two. It
Speaker 3: was just wonderful. I can't believe. I can't believe it's
Speaker 3: been as long as it's as it's been, and it's
Speaker 3: been the right amount to go back and watch because
Speaker 3: I don't remember anything, and I come on, Quinn comes
Speaker 3: on scream and I'm like, what, Like, I don't remember
Speaker 3: any of it.
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Speaker 1: So what season are you now on with Unpacking the Toolbox?
Speaker 1: We are on We just it's the seconds.
Speaker 3: We just are in the middle of the second season
Speaker 3: of Unpacking the Toolbox, but it's season three of Scandal,
Speaker 3: which is when she is absolutely off the tracks.
Speaker 1: Like okay, murder and.
Speaker 3: Sex and Jake's there and Sally Langston's murdered her husband
Speaker 3: and oh my god, Dan Bucatinski, who was married to Cyrus,
Speaker 3: just was murdered and oh, you guys have to go
Speaker 3: back and watch it. Oh no, it's and Hawk just
Speaker 3: had sex on a card roof thing and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god.
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing? Like this is so crazy.
Speaker 3: We just had Debbie Allen on and she directed it.
Speaker 1: I love her. Oh she's so amazing.
Speaker 3: She she directed the first time we had like a
Speaker 3: crazy sex scene and we were making each other laugh.
Speaker 1: I just was so.
Speaker 3: You know, we would have these like artistic conversations, me
Speaker 3: and Germo being like, well, we probably shouldn't make out
Speaker 3: like fits in Olivia because we're sick, like we are
Speaker 3: murderers spy people, so like we can't do like hot
Speaker 3: movie kissing. We have to do like.
Speaker 1: Tongues down the throat hit it like creepy, like very weird.
Speaker 1: Are you cool with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm cool that we thought we were having like
Speaker 3: all these artistic conversations, but I think it ended up
Speaker 3: in the end coming out coming out right.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of it. I love that. And then you're
Speaker 1: gonna have obviously said some of the cast coming on. Oh,
Speaker 1: we've had yes, and we'll every season. We will because again,
Speaker 1: we just like to hang out and talk.
Speaker 3: But we've had Shonda and Tony and Carrie and Scott
Speaker 3: Foley and Bellamy and Jeff Perry and Josh Maline every cast.
Speaker 3: But we've also had like big celebrity supporters of the time,
Speaker 3: Like we just had Jimmy Kimmel on because he had
Speaker 3: us on like every Thursday night as guests on his show,
Speaker 3: and he did a bunch of specials and things like that.
Speaker 3: And we just have a lot of people in the
Speaker 3: works who were big, like Gabrielle Union actually quoted Scandal
Speaker 3: and her wedding vows to Dwayne.
Speaker 1: Wade and like she wants to come on and tell
Speaker 1: her story.
Speaker 3: And Avid DuVernay directed an episode, and you know, we
Speaker 3: just had a lot of kind of prolific people circling
Speaker 3: the show, even fans, so we will be having them
Speaker 3: on the next season. And it's a good listen. It's
Speaker 3: pretty funny, I think, I hope I'm watch the show
Speaker 3: like it's it's I can't believe what Kerry Washington was doing.
Speaker 3: That's the other thing, Like I didn't realize. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know she was a great actress and I was
Speaker 3: on the receiving end of somebody that those things.
Speaker 1: But now that i'm might you.
Speaker 3: Know, now that I'm an old broad when I watch
Speaker 3: the show, I'm like, holy, Like, Olivia Pope should really
Speaker 3: go down as like one of the best television characters ever.
Speaker 3: So complicated, so strong, so smart, so conflicted, so cool,
Speaker 3: so amazing in her powerful powerful, like you just want
Speaker 3: to be her, and you just it's just she's a
Speaker 3: one of a kind. And when I watch back, like
Speaker 3: that really holds up. You're just like, Wow, Olivia Pope
Speaker 3: is Olivia Pope.
Speaker 1: Well, we're all going to do a rewatch and we're
Speaker 1: going to be listening to Unpacking the Toolbox a scandal rewatch.
Speaker 1: Come visit us, Katie in your non spare time. Where
Speaker 1: are you see is Nashel the best. It's awesome, and
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Yeah, every I mean everyone from LA is you.
Speaker 3: Should just come exact know my friend who's also on
Speaker 3: Hunting Wives, Chrissy Mets. Yeah, she lives a lot of places,
Speaker 3: but Nashville is one of them because she's a beautiful
Speaker 3: singer and a country music singer. And then another one,
Speaker 3: my friend Ben Folds is a singer and he lives
Speaker 3: in Nashville. I got to do a Nashville trip. So
Speaker 3: I've never been, never, not once. I don't even know
Speaker 3: how you get there.
Speaker 1: It's great, it's flying LA. There's non stops and how
Speaker 1: long is that flight? It's like three and a half.
Speaker 1: Should I move there? I should come out. You don't
Speaker 1: have to be in LA anymore. That's that was like
Speaker 1: after COVID, it was like why why are we here?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean this is? And where are
Speaker 1: you from? Originally? I'm from Michigan originally, but I moved
Speaker 1: to LA when I was nineteen.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, okay, yeah, and then.
Speaker 1: I wanted like Grass, yeah from Nashville. Cat's from here.
Speaker 1: I'm from Michigan as well. Oh great, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know about this LA thing. I keep being like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, the actress in me, the struggling waitress actress in me,
Speaker 3: is like, no, you have to be here, and it's
Speaker 3: like re teaching yourself, like no, the business has drastically changed,
Speaker 3: so is the world, and a lot of people do
Speaker 3: things virtually and remotely, and you can always fly in
Speaker 3: for anything you would need to.
Speaker 1: So what are you doing. You're also wildly talented and
Speaker 1: you can do. People want you from wherever you live
Speaker 1: to Carolina. I loved Carolina. We need you, Katie, get
Speaker 1: to us. I need to say that to everybody. I
Speaker 1: would thank you, thank you for coming on. We really app.
Speaker 3: Gosh, thank you guys for this sort and I'm so
Speaker 3: don't worry.
Speaker 1: We will cross paths again. We will believe it. I
Speaker 1: feel it. I really believe it. You're going to have
Speaker 1: a watch party for you, guys. I feel it. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys so much for having me on. All right,
Speaker 1: You're the best girl. Thank you so much. Bye. I Oh.
Speaker 1: I love her. Her energy's so palpable.
Speaker 3: See I'm still here now. I know it's perfect.
Speaker 1: You're talking about you do it talk talking out least.
Speaker 1: I love it. Her energy is like comfortable, so much.
Speaker 1: She's so sweet. That's why I was so I just
Speaker 1: loved her characters, seen all their interviews, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: she was just like seemed like we would be like
Speaker 1: she'd fit into our little queendom. You know, she'd be
Speaker 1: a riot, she'd be so fun. Do that Cramer get
Speaker 1: her in. That's so crazy that, like I tried with
Speaker 1: her on the show, keep trying and should come back
Speaker 1: so good. It's such a good show, and I don't
Speaker 1: like they really should you guys, Shonda's brain is I
Speaker 1: I've said it before, but I would literally pay for
Speaker 1: a day past just to know what goes on in
Speaker 1: her brain. I love that she's so great. Love love
Speaker 1: love that I should be like Shonda if I have
Speaker 1: a baby, gang put me in a show. It's also crazy,
Speaker 1: like as you listen to Katie, like three different times
Speaker 1: she mentioned really powerful women, men that made powerful choices
Speaker 1: on her behalf of like feeding her dream and not
Speaker 1: like not stifling her, which is kind of rare, especially
Speaker 1: in this industry. I feel like, all, I guess we'll
Speaker 1: me see you next week. Lilea, Bye bye,