1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 1: It's that time time time, time, luck and load. The 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Michael Verie Show is on the air. It is time 3 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: we revisit COVID. There are people trying to bring it back. 4 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: It's like bell bottoms and wings and beads. There are 5 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: just things people keep trying to bring back. Mary Tally 6 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: Bowden is a is a reminder as to why we 7 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: should not. We still don't have all the information. We 8 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: still have not revealed all the misinformation. We still have 9 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: not cast blame, and of course, most importantly, we still 10 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: have not punished those who deserve to be punished. Mary 11 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: Tally Boden has a new book out. Oh I did 12 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: not realize. Did you see the name of the book, 13 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: How Michael Barry Changed My Life? Wow? That is really nice. 14 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: Mary Tally, welcome to the program. 15 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: Thank you. Yes, the majority of the book is all 16 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: about you, Michael. 17 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: She did threaten that I should probably read it before 18 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: she published it because I wouldn't like some of it. 19 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: I said, that's okay, I just won't read it. I'll 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say it 21 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: didn't get published. First of all, let's go back to 22 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: the first time you were on you told Ramona. It 23 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: was August of twenty one, it was not it was 24 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: spring of twenty twenty. COVID was not a big deal yet. 25 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: And I had you on because I saw a video 26 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: of you that described self described you as doctor snotsucker, 27 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: and I said, any attract active woman, doctor who can 28 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: go by that name, that's that's I like her already. 29 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: And then I had you on and we'd never met, 30 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: and I kidded with you relentlessly, and you told me 31 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: afterwards that everybody said I was mean to you. Does 32 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: any of that jog your memory? 33 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, don't take this the wrong way. 34 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: But as you were, what's that. 35 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: Well, I I mean, I honestly had no idea who 36 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: you were. I don't I ever listened to No, I'm 37 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: just saying no. But it just speaks to the fact 38 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: that I was not political at all. Like I had 39 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: never turned on an AM radio talk show in my life, 40 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: and I did not realize what I was getting myself 41 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: into when I talked to you and then. But I'm 42 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: very grateful. So let's just set the record straight. It 43 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: was quite traumatic that interview because it went on for 44 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: three hours and I had act never done an interview 45 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: like that. I'd never done a live interview. Uh, and 46 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: I was not political, so I didn't know what I 47 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: was getting myself into. But I am very grateful Michael. 48 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: And we had dinner that night and my wife explained 49 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: to you, Oh, no, no, he he's that's he's jocular 50 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: with people. He really likes That just means he really 51 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: likes you. And it is oh, okay, if that's what 52 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: that means, all right. Uh, let's talk about your journey. 53 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: So you went from being a very successful doctor with 54 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: your own what was it oto laryngology? Remember remember oto? 55 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: What is it called. 56 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: Total laryngology? 57 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word. 58 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be 59 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: an E and T. And you didn't appreciate that because 60 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: nobody ever appreciates me. And you went from being a 61 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: person with a successful practice in a great location of beautiful, 62 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: beautiful space, a beautiful, beautiful kids, everything going for you 63 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: at the corner of Kirby and Richmond, to in relatively 64 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: short order, COVID begins to accelerate. And you did what 65 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: has to still seem crazy to you. You did what 66 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: we thought doctors were supposed to do. You passionately, zealously 67 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: tried to heal people and treat them. Tell a little 68 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: bit about that story, because that gets us to why 69 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: you wrote the book and all the horrible things that 70 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: happened to you and are still happening. 71 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean I had a very quiet practice 72 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: Ranis and Throat, and you know, we're used to treating 73 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: respiratory infections. That's part and parcels our specialty. And so 74 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 2: when patients started coming in, I you know, we didn't 75 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: know what we were dealing with necessarily, but I just 76 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: kind of used common sense and I just didn't I 77 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: didn't have the heart to turn people away, and I 78 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: wasn't scared of getting sick, so I just let people in. 79 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 2: And at first, you know, I wasn't I was pretty mainstream. 80 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: I used monoclonal antibodies and those worked great and they 81 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: weren't controversial. But then the government took away distribution of 82 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: monoclona antibodies. It became harder and harder to get, and 83 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: so that's when I turned to ivermectin, and I was 84 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: very diligent about making sure it was safe before using 85 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: it because of all the controversy and what I found 86 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: is I was still able to keep people out of 87 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: the hospital using ivermectin. At the same time, I was 88 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: seeing that these COVID shots were not working. And at 89 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: the time I had a collegial relationship with Houston Methodists. 90 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: I had privileges there, but only as a backstop as 91 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: ear nose and throat. I do outpatient surgery, never use 92 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: the hospital, and I was actually collaborating with them on research. 93 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: But when I saw that these shots weren't working, and 94 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: as Methodists was the first hospital in the country to 95 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 2: mandate the shots, and that was five months before Biden, 96 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: so they paved the way for the rest of the country. 97 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: It was a big deal. So I started seeing that 98 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: these shots weren't working because I was testing people and 99 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: I saw that the people coming in who were vaccinated 100 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: were just as sick, if not sicker. I reached out 101 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: to them, I said, hey, what's going on. They gas 102 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: lit me. They said, oh, it just luwers of severity. Well, 103 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: I started speaking out on social media and that was 104 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: my failed mistake, and they came after me very publicly, 105 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: very harshly. They suspended my privileges and I found out 106 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: about it from the media. I found out about it 107 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: from a reporter at the Houston Chronicle. So it just 108 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: upended my life very quickly. I had people from CNN 109 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: watching them posts. I had people screaming at me from 110 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: Australia and calling me all sorts of names, and I 111 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: just decided to fight back. And I'm grateful to you 112 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: because you really you were the first to give me 113 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: a voice and help me in that fight. 114 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: As as methodists began to attack you, as your credibility 115 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: was attacked, as people who never met you, whenever your 116 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: patient knew nothing about your body of work began to 117 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: say and do horrible things related to you. What sustained 118 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: you through that period. 119 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: Well the truth. I mean, when you're standing by the truth, 120 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: it's not so hard and seeing the patient's firsthand and 121 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: witness everything that I have stood by is what I 122 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: have witness firsthand. And when you treat albums of patients 123 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: with the same disease in a very short period of time, 124 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: you quickly become an expert. That's how you learn as 125 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: a doctor. You know based on how people respond to 126 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: the treatment plan. And so I was very confident in 127 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: what I was doing. I was seeing results, I was 128 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: keeping people out of the hospital and I was telling 129 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: the truth. And when you have the truth, it's very 130 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: easy to keep fighting. 131 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you say that now that it was pretty nasty, 132 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 1: but they put you through. We're going to talk about 133 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: what we have learned from all of this. The book 134 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: is Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, the Treatments and the Lies. 135 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: Mary Tally bode doctor Mary Talibot our guests coming out 136 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: the Michael Berry Show. It's Mary Tally, not Mary Jane. 137 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,479 Speaker 1: It's totally different. It would be cooler if it was okay. 138 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 1: Doctor Mary Tally Bodman is our guest. Her book, Dangerous Misinformation, 139 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: The Virus, the Treatment and the Lies. Looking back now 140 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: with the body of knowledge you have, there are probably 141 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: five people in the country who've treated the most COVID patients, 142 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: and you would be one of those five. You've been 143 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and most everywhere else talk 144 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: talking about what happened and what happened to you. Let's 145 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: start with what happened. You talked about monoclonal antibodies which 146 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: you were unable to get, which was an effective treatment. 147 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: You talked about ivermectin. Going back and knowing what we know, 148 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: now you are king for a day and you get 149 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: to announce this is what we're going to do to 150 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: treat COVID. What would you do? 151 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: Well, you know, not certainly not introduce a gene modifying 152 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: experimental shot that doesn't work and mandate the country. I'll 153 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: get it and give it to small babies. A monocla antibizer, 154 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,599 Speaker 2: an option ivermectin worked very well, and you know a 155 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: lot of times you'd have to use in combination with 156 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: other medications for more severe cases. Breathing treatments that was 157 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: a big one. I mean, the hospitals would not even 158 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: allow patients to get breathing treatments. I talked to somebody 159 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: yesterday who was in the hospital and he would sneak 160 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: into his bathroom while he was in the hospital and 161 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: give himself breathing treatments and tell the nurses he was 162 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: taking a shower. I mean, how absurd is that. But yeah, 163 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: and you know, basically just giving the people in the 164 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: front lines and people actually treating COVID patients more say 165 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: in the matter. I mean, they were dictating standard of 166 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: care over zoom calls. You know, government officials who had 167 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: no first hand experience actually treating these patients. 168 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: There are so many things I want to uncover here. 169 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: Do you do anything differently in your personal medical regimen 170 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: or advise your patients do since COVID that you learned 171 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: or adapted? 172 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D. I look at 173 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: the most common lab abnormality I find is a low 174 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: vitamin D and the lab will tell you it needs 175 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: to be above thirty, but optimally you want it to 176 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 2: be above fifty. And people that are even taking supplements 177 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: are often under fifty, so that I would say that's 178 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: sort of the most the biggest thing in terms of 179 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: keeping your immune system healthy. 180 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: That's the answer vitamin The reason for the vitamin D 181 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: is to strengthen your immune system. 182 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: Right right. I'm also you know I knew this before, 183 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: but you know sugar, you know, infections love sugar, So 184 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: like managing your weight, and you know, I'm a big 185 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: fan of carnivore diet, you know, eliminating all carbohydrates. You 186 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: don't have to do it for the rest of your life, 187 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: but it really it helps you break down fat. And 188 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: you know, the low the carbohydrates, the sugar infections just 189 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: feed on that. So keeping your weight under control and 190 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: limiting your sugar intake is big. 191 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, and I guess this 192 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: would also be true of you. It would be because 193 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: I've seen it. Is it possible to be on the 194 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: carnivore diet without posting about it fifty eight times per day? 195 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: Does it still work? Okay? 196 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: Can? 197 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: I know? 198 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: Can you still do it? 199 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: But what bothers? I'm just trying to fight all the 200 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: ozimpic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that is that 201 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: there's a better way than injecting yourself with a medication 202 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: that costs twelve hundred dollars a month. So that's my past. 203 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel 204 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda. 205 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life. 206 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: You went to Stanford, you went to medical school, you 207 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: went to specialized training. You've been a single mom, you've 208 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: opened your own practice, you've had multiple employees, you're a 209 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: fitness buff, You've done a lot of things. Most people, 210 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: if we're being honest, most people don't have your level 211 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: of discipline. So a person that's not able to shed 212 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: the weight or not willing. Let me say that no 213 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: willing to shed the weight. The ozembic semaglutide category has 214 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: been a godsend to them because sure, what you're doing 215 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: is working, but it's it's tough, and we know most 216 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: people are not going to do that. 217 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It's so rewarding when you start 218 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: doing the carnivore. I mean, it's a bit hard at 219 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: first because the sugar cravings are intense, but you start 220 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: losing weight so quickly and you're you know, I would 221 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: bring bacon to work. I would eat bacon all day 222 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: and eat steak and eggs. And it was shocking to 223 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: me because that just sort of goes against what we've 224 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: been told this whole time, that you know fat is 225 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 2: bad for you. You actually use fat as energy instead 226 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: of sugar, and it's amazing. It's very good for your 227 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: brain too. You can focus better. They're using it now 228 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: for mental illness to treat mental illness, so use it 229 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: for treating seizures. So I don't know, I think it's work. 230 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt to try it, you know, And what 231 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: I was just I was shocked by the results and 232 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: so I was able to maintain it. I was very 233 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: strict for six months. I'm not strict about now because 234 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 2: I got to the point where I had to keep 235 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: buying new clothes and I and I was it was 236 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: I didn't want to lose any more weight. So I'm 237 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: not strict about it anymore. But it's the results are 238 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 2: pretty impressive. 239 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: For somebody that does want to try it. Was there 240 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: a particular book or site that you used as a guideline. 241 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a doctor who's pretty popular online, Ken Barry. 242 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: He has a lot of YouTube videos and I've actually 243 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: interviewed him to he has a lot of great information. 244 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: How important when you look at now how you've changed 245 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: and how you advise patients to change. How important in 246 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: all of that is diet And what are the other 247 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: aspects of diet that you now are advising that are 248 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: not within your original core competency. 249 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: Well, I honestly think managing your weight is a number 250 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: one thing you can do for your health, because if 251 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: you're overweight, it affects everything else. It leads to high 252 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: blood pressure, it leads to heart disease, cancer, So it's fundamental, 253 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: And yeah, I think we basically covered My big approach 254 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: is limiting the carbohydrates as much as you can, and 255 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: then you know, exercise. I don't think people exercise. I 256 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: think is the best thing you can do for your 257 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: mental health. And you never regret exercising when you do it. 258 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: You never want to do it, but when you're done, 259 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: you're so You're so glad you did it right. You 260 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: just have to remember that every time you're not wanting 261 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: to exercise. But I think it's the best thing you 262 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: can do for your mental health and relieving stress and 263 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: sleeping better. It's very basic, and we've kind of lost 264 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: that in medicine, and you know, honestly, you're not really 265 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: taught that in medical school. It comes from life lessons 266 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: more than anything. 267 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: But it's amazing. I follow so many wellness some doctors, 268 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: many not. And the consistency of cholesterols not your enemy 269 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: meets not your enemy. Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, the Treatment 270 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: and the lives. Mary Tally Boden is our guests will 271 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: continue our conversation coming up. Ting must be right. You're 272 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: listening to Michael Berry. Mary Tally Boden is our guest. 273 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Mary Tally Boden the new book Dangerous Misinformation The 274 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: Virus the treatment and the lies. Let's talk about what 275 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: happened to you personally. When did you first realize that 276 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: simply practicing medicine, trying to heal people, which is supposed 277 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: to be your calling, was subjecting you to professional and 278 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: personal problems. Real I don't recall anybody attacked like this. 279 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: Maybe Jack Covorkian doctor death. That may be the only 280 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: person I've ever seen attacked in this manner to the 281 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: extent that you were. 282 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I wasn't the only one out there 283 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: getting a check, believe me. I mean, I'm actually getting ready. 284 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: The Federation of State Medical Boards is this national entity 285 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: that basically sent out a proclamation to all the state 286 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: medical boards to go after doctors who were, you know, 287 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 2: saying the things that I was saying. And initially I 288 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: was fairly conservative. And what I said compared to what 289 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 2: I say now, I mean, I said vaccine mandates are 290 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: wrong in iber mechin works, and that's that's I said 291 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 2: that online, and that's what really got got me in trouble. 292 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's uh, yeah, it was basically, yeah, I 293 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: treated a lot of COVID patients, but in the grand 294 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: scheme of things, I was nothing. It was, you know, 295 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: I was just just I really to make a dent 296 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: and things, and but Houston Methodists went after me so 297 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: publicly that it just launched me into the public eye. 298 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 2: And then at that point I felt like I had 299 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: no choice but to fight back very. 300 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: Hard and walk people through. I don't know how many 301 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: people know exactly how bad it got for you. And 302 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: there were moments there where you thought you would lose 303 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: your ability to practice medicine. 304 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm still fighting for my medical license. The 305 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: Medical Board has been after me for four years now 306 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: and involves a patient, Jason Jones, who sheriff's deputy. Father six. 307 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 2: He was dying in the hospital Texas Hugley Hospital in 308 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 2: Fort Worth. His wife sued the hospital because they refused 309 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: to allow him to try ibermacton as a last ditch effort. 310 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 2: They were talking hospice. I testified. I actually testified with 311 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: Senator Bob Hall, and we won the case. The court 312 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 2: was ordered to grant me emergency temporary privileges. We show up, 313 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: A nurse shows up at the hospital to give him ivermactin. 314 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: She's greeted by the police and they turned me into 315 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 2: the Medical Board, saying that I sent a nurse into 316 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: the hospital without privileges. The patient never was allowed to 317 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: get the ivermactin. He did make it out of the hospital, 318 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: but he was never able to fully recover. He passed away. 319 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: And now, ironically, as of yesterday, it looks like Texas 320 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 2: is going to make ivermectin over the counter, which is 321 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 2: bittersweet for me, because yes, it should be over the counter. 322 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: But you know, there's so many people that you had. 323 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 2: This patient tried to get ivermectin before going in the 324 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 2: hospital and he couldn't. But had he been able to 325 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: access early treatment, I doubt any of this would have happened. 326 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: And that that's a story that many people can relate to, 327 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 2: not just some Texas but across the country. So the 328 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: medical Board, I'm still you know, they are dragging us 329 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 2: out as long as they possibly can, and you know, 330 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: I have lost so far, but I plan on appealing 331 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 2: once there there I'm waiting to hear my punishment. So 332 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: they determined that I was guilty because I sent a 333 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: nurse to the hospital without having been granted privileges, and 334 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: now I'm waiting to hear my punishment, and at that 335 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: point I will have to appeal further, it's just insane. 336 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: Greg Abbott could make this stop, but he doesn't. You 337 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: posted something a couple of weeks ago. I get this 338 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: question a lot since since the spike protein seems to 339 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: be a big problem. We continue to see people dropping 340 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: dead with no chronic illness at rates far above we've 341 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: seen in history, and the belief being that the mRNA 342 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: quote unquote vaccine, which wasn't is the reason for it. 343 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: You've talked a lot about spike proteins. Can you explain 344 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: what is going on there? 345 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: Well, spike protein is the bad part of the virus, 346 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: and for some reason they decided to create a injection 347 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: that would where your body could produce spike protein on 348 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: its own indefinitely, with no stop button. So the COVID shots, 349 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: you know, unfortunately, we do not have a way to 350 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: measure spike protein in the body, at least one it's 351 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: available to the public. So what I've been looking at 352 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: is spike protein and a body levels, and it's a 353 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: little bit muddy, but what I'm seeing is very concerning 354 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: because in patients that have gotten the COVID shots, and 355 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: this is just my patience, it's almost two hundred patients 356 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 2: I've looked at the average level is ten times higher 357 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: the antibi level than patients that did not get never 358 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: got the COVID shot, And this is four years after 359 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: the fact, and most of these people got two, maybe 360 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: three shots, and many of these patients the level is 361 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 2: so high that it exceeds the upper limit of the test, 362 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: which is twenty five thousand. So this average that I'm 363 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 2: seeing and what I'm seeing is about thirteen thousand, and 364 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: the patients have got the shot is actually an underestimation 365 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 2: because we don't know how high some of these patients 366 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: are going. And then patients that did not get the shots, 367 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: the average that I'm seeing is thirteen hundred. It just 368 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: it's just not normal, and we definitely need more research, 369 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: and we need the NIH to help us with the 370 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: research because there's just not enough people willing to even 371 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: acknowledge that there might be a problem. 372 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: Did how many times you think you used the term 373 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: spike protein before COVID? 374 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 2: Never? Absolutely not? 375 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, never, It's crazy. It's a concept I didn't even understand. 376 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: My brother had to take the shot to continue being 377 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: a police officer. He did not want to take the shot, 378 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: and he dies shortly thereafter, and obviously I'm very bitter 379 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: about that. Reading about Jason Jones. I saw a post 380 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: you put up with his widow and his children. Obviously, 381 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: as you said, they wouldn't give a Deputy Jones ivermectin, 382 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: and he died, And now ivermectin's going to be over 383 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: the counter in the state of Texas. It's just it's very, 384 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: very frustrating watching our people die seemingly willfully, not by neglect, 385 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: but by will because people refused to allow the treatments 386 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: that were being proven to work. And that makes me anger, angry, 387 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: and bitter on a level that is not healthy, I 388 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: can relate. 389 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 2: It's basically politics over science, and it's it's bizarre to 390 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: me that. I mean, it's great to see that more 391 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: and more states are making ivermectin over the counter, but 392 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: they're treating it like the abortion till there's nothing ethically 393 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 2: controversial about ivermectin. If it's safe in Texas, it's safe 394 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: throughout the country. And honestly, we need the FDA just 395 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: to make the drug over the counter because it is. 396 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: It is incredibly safe. It's safer than antibiotics, it's safer 397 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: than tailanlu, and patients are going to the feed store 398 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: to get their medication, which I at this point I 399 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: think it must be safe because you would be hearing otherwise. 400 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 2: But this is America. We should not be going We 401 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 2: should not have to go to the feed store to 402 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: get our medications. So I really hope that the FDA 403 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: will put science over politics and just make it over 404 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: the counter. 405 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: The fact that they don't is a wake up call 406 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: to every American. I mean, a lot of blood, out 407 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: of dirty things were revealed out of all of this 408 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: dangerous misinformation, the virus, the treatment, and the lies. Mary 409 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: Tally Boden is our guess. Damn it all right, this 410 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: is Mark Chestnut and Jar Bizar of talk radio who 411 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: Rogan wouldn't have done this? You're feeling jealous? Dangerous misinformation, 412 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: the virus, the treatment, and the lies. Mary Tally Boden, 413 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: the doctor author, a celebrity guest of huge programs Tucker Carlson, 414 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, you know, tell us something about those appearances, 415 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: because I can't tell you how many people they think 416 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: we're like big buddies. They send messages, Oh my god, 417 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: your girl, Mary Tally Boden is on Tucker Carlson and 418 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: she's doing great. I don't know if they thought you 419 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: were gonna flop or what. Talk about that. How was 420 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: that experience? 421 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: Well, the best part of that experience is the vindication 422 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 2: it's given to my kids because people are now saying, oh, 423 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: your mom was on Joe Rogan. So that that has 424 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: been nice for the kids because they they had to 425 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: sort of hide who their mother was for a few years. 426 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: And I will say, like Tucker Carlson is very authentic 427 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: and very candid. He told me things I couldn't believe 428 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: he was telling me off air. And Joe Rogan was 429 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: also great. It's interesting, Joe Rogan, you would have no 430 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: idea where a studio is. It's in this like non 431 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 2: descript sort of warehouse looking thing in Austin. And yeah, 432 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 2: I brought I brought one kid to uh Tucker, and 433 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: I brought another kid to Rogan and now I got 434 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: to get two more kids to two other shows. 435 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: Uh. 436 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 2: But yeah, the best part of it was was the 437 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 2: kids and having them have some pride in their mother 438 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: because what they're hearing from other people. 439 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: It also caused your social media presence where you talk 440 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: a lot about what you're going through, and you talk 441 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: a lot about COVID and the COVID overreaction and the 442 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: regulation and all of those sorts. I mean, it really 443 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: amplified your message dramatically, I guess. 444 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: I mean I didn't see my follower account explode or 445 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: anything like that. I mean, it's just, you know, it's 446 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: been going up very steadily. I didn't see some sort 447 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: of huge explosion. 448 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess is there any regret you have 449 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: through all of this, going back to the day before 450 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 3: you got involved. 451 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it has taken us tall. I am exhausted, 452 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: and if you know, i'd been giving. If I'd been 453 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: given a choice, I don't know that I would have 454 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 2: chosen this, But I mean I've learned a lot, and 455 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: I'm a lot stronger. I mean I used to hate 456 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: public speaking, and I'm pretty introverted, and so I've been 457 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: forced to use my voice, and yeah, I feel like 458 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 2: I can help people by speaking out and so you know, 459 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: it hasn't been great, but I wouldn't I wouldn't change 460 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: it at this point. 461 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: I think we all have purpose in life, and some 462 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: of us find it and some don't, and sometimes that 463 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: purpose changes with each season in life. But I think 464 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: you met your moment and I think maybe you never 465 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: expected to be in the situations where you ended up, 466 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: and yet you rose to the occasion in a way 467 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: you probably never could have guessed you would summon that 468 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: level of strength, And that has to be that has 469 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: to be a pretty cool experience to look back on that. 470 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, things came together in a way that 471 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems 472 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: sort of fortuitive more than me actually choosing a path. 473 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: It just kind of happened. Uh, And yeah, it's like 474 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 2: I said, it's it's strengthened me in ways I never imagined. 475 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 2: And yeah, I would just encourage people. I mean, it's 476 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 2: hard when you speak the truth and you're outspoken about 477 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: what you're seeing, it's it's difficult. But after going through 478 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: a very low point, I feel like I'm going, you know, 479 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: I'm rising now. I'm still in survival mode, but I 480 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: do have I have one win I did. I sued 481 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: the FDA in one but we have we still have 482 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: so much more fighting to do. So yeah, I want 483 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: I want my story to be a triumph, not just survival. 484 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: Well, and and that brings us to the next thing 485 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: and what your life looks like and where you see 486 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: that going forward in the near and long term. Obviously 487 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: you've moved your your clinic, you have they change. I 488 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: get emails from folks who say they can't get an 489 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: appointment with you, and I say, she's not taking new patients. 490 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: She has her political side and she has her medical side. 491 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: What does that look like for you in the near 492 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: and long term? 493 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm taking new patients now. Just I 494 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: was moving and it was just too chaotic to try. 495 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: I didn't want to, you know, take on more than 496 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: I could buy a shoe off. And I'm going to, 497 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: you know, I mean to continue to practice. I think 498 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: that's key because it keeps your finger on the pulse 499 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: of what's going on. I am going to do a 500 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: weekly podcast. I'm collaborating with an independent journalist, Shannon Joy 501 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: and coming on after her show, and it's going to 502 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 2: be called on Call with Doctor Mary Tally Boden, and 503 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to focus on answering questions because I'm sure 504 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: you can relate. My dms on social media are just 505 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: flooded with people with questions and requests and I just 506 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 2: can't keep up with it. So I see this as 507 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: a way, Okay, I can I can answer the questions 508 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: that the most people will have and get get it 509 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: all done once a week and give people a voice. 510 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I've been interviewing people on this other podcast 511 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 2: platform called America out Loud News, and I find it 512 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: very gratifying because, like you, you gave me a voice 513 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: and it really was helpful. And so I like giving 514 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 2: other people a voice when they've been you know, persecuted 515 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: or beaten down and giving them a chance to share 516 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: their story. I find that very gratifying. 517 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: And when will that begin. 518 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: It'll be on Wednesdays? 519 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: Is it on call? C a l L or c 520 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: a w L because that's the national dish of Wales. 521 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: It's a it's a thick, it's like a stew. I 522 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: think it would be awesome if you did it as 523 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: on call and people tune in and they think they're 524 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: going to get COVID talk and instead you talked about 525 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: how to make the best Welsh stew. Now, that would 526 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: be very normal. 527 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: Donald, I had that. That is the first I've heard 528 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: of that, So. 529 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: Give it some thought, give it some thoughts. I could 530 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: see you being big and Cardiff and it's a whole 531 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: new audience for you, y you know there's have you 532 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: been to Wales? It's really beautiful. No, I haven't wells. 533 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: It is like parts of Colorado that have no industry, 534 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: no business, no hardly anything, just a little resort shop 535 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: there where you hire some guide to go for a hike. 536 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: And I could see that being I could see that 537 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: being really your moment. You know, there's Peter mccallaugh, others. 538 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: There's all these different guys out there doing the medical thing. 539 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: You could do the Welsh stew thing ironically, but never 540 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: never acknowledge it's that that would be the memory of 541 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: Norm MacDonald living on Mary Tylly bod And I am 542 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: so proud to call you my friend. You are really 543 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: and I know you don't take well to compliments you 544 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: like Chad Knakanishi, but you really are a hero. What 545 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: you have done, the people you have saved, and the 546 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: voice you have found, and your willingness to continue to 547 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: fight and show people to fight the way Trump did 548 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: after he got shot ahead it's incredibly inspiring. The book 549 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: is dangerous misinformation by it today, the virus, the treatment 550 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: and the lies. Thank you, my dear, Thank you for 551 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: spending an hour with us. 552 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael Ramon do you know what that 553 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: Would cost if we had gone into her clinic, did 554 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: have been on our show, and there would have been 555 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: needles involved.