WEBVTT - Shocking Start to Uvlade Trial; Mistrial Being Considered Today 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.960 Hey there everybody. It is Wednesday, January seventh, and families 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:19.000 have been waiting for years for justice, for accountability after 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:23.959 that uvolda school massacre. But on day one of testimony 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:29.200 and the Uvaldi trial already a shocker and talk of 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.840 a mistrial, and with that, welcome to this episode of 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:36.519 Amy and TJ. Robes. We were getting set for weeks 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.879 of testimony, day one of testimony. I can't imagine what 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.199 these families are going through after all this. There is 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.440 real talk of a mistrial, yes there is. It's not 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:46.880 just speculation, this is for real. 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:52.040 The headlines are took an unexpected turn. And that is 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.840 an understatement, because yes, testimony was underway. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:56.360 It was gutting. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.880 It was frankly shocking to rehear and to relive some 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.200 of those moments, and then to have a teacher who 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.640 is up on the stand say something that upset the 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:14.120 defense so much that arguments ensued, and then they now 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.479 had to remove the jury that they won't even come 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.520 back into the courtroom until Thursday while the defense and 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:23.319 the prosecution try to hammer it out with the judge. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.440 But yes, the defense has said they may ask for 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:27.240 a MISTRYNG. 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.480 Clear for what we're saying here, folks. On day one 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.760 of testimony in the trial, Day two of testimony was 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.279 canceled because there's a problem, and this is a really 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.720 big problem, a Brady violation. You might have even heard 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.360 of that. You hear it every now and again, even 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.720 if you can't recall what it is. But it's very 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.520 simple stuff. Hell, even in the movie My Cousin Vinnie, 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:49.840 they hit on this. The prosecution cannot withhold evidence that 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.520 could possibly help the defense, and it appears at this 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.320 point at least the defense is going to argue, you 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.080 all just ambushed us on day one of testimony, and 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.520 Rodes is hard to argue with the point they're making 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:02.960 right now. 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.320 Yes, so this was a former third grade teacher. She 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.120 was the third grade teacher at rob Elementary School on 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:13.560 the day of the Uvaldi shooting. She testified that she 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:18.160 saw the gunman on the same side of the building, 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.760 in the exact same area where the officer who was 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:26.760 on trial, Adrian Gonzalez, was. The defense said, that is 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:30.520 a completely different statement than what you gave during a 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.160 twenty twenty two investigation, something that she specifically said to 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.440 a Texas ranger. They say what she testified to in 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.960 court is not the same and a very big difference. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.480 And of it obviously would be to the detriment of 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.679 their client. If what she's saying is true. 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.400 This is a huge no. No, this is a huge 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:54.280 problem because the defense has been preparing for months years 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:59.120 based on her official statements, which are official evidence in 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.640 the case. They've been preparing based on that. They show 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.680 up on day one of testimony in the trial and 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.800 they go, oops, actually it's not that, it's something else. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.800 This is a very serious violation. The judge seemed a 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.920 little annoyed and put off by this. But folks, what 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.520 we're saying is today they are dedicating the day in 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.200 the court today to only trying to work this out road. 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.400 The problem here, right, they get declare mistrial, Sure, judge 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.079 hates to do that after all this, But Rose, what 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.560 if you go through what if he gets found guilty. 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.040 What's the first thing they're going to do appeal based 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.640 on this Brady violation? 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.480 Potential violations? 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.000 What do you do here? Rose? Think about those famili 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.760 and look, we should remind folks, full disclosure, not full disclosure. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:50.560 Everybody knows you were there the day after that shooting, 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.440 took place. You and I were on the air together, 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.160 me and New York. You there. This is something from 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.400 day one. We've kept an eye on. This is something 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.960 from day I can't imagine what the family are going through. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.200 Yes, because you know it's to have been there and 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.600 to have reported on it. I get emotional reading this 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.720 that I am so far removed being a parent of 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.520 one of these kids, and the allegations here are so 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:19.279 serious because to think, because we learned this and I look, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.640 I don't this exact detail, but this certainly came out 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:26.160 in the opening statement from the prosecution yesterday when testimony began, 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:27.160 he said. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:34.799 That officer Adrian Gonzalez was there on the scene before 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.359 the gunman entered the building. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.119 I don't know how you get over that one passed 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:40.440 that one. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.279 I have chills from head to toe as a parent. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.760 And look, we talked about at the time, we reported 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.040 when we were there on the scene that parents were 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:53.000 begging officers, trying to get into the building themselves, wanting 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.880 to run into harm's way to try and save their 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.080 children when the police would not. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.080 This is the most devastating detail I've heard in this 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.560 entire story is that before he went in and killed 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.360 nineteen babies. There was an officer there before he went 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.520 into the buildings that you can't live with that, that's Abe. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.800 It's it's it makes you feel gutted because when you 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.839 know that something could have been prevented, and the person 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.200 who was charged with that duty, who had a firearm, 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.640 who was trained on what to do in these types 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.440 of situations, and I understand in the moment it's very different. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:35.800 It's scary, But the question is the responsibility. The whole 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.200 purpose of his position and his job was to protect 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.159 and to serve and to run into harm's way, and 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.479 when he knew there was an active gunman, the prosecution 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:52.920 kept saying, effectively, Adrian stayed. Adrian radioed. Adrian basically gave 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.599 a blow by blow of what was happening on his radio. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.960 But he did nothing. He took zero action. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.520 That's tough for Robes. Again, criminally, I don't know what 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.720 he faces, right, I don't know if he committed a crime, 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.279 what the law says about it. But Roges, that is 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.320 you said, scared, you said, and you know, in all 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.599 these cases, we always try to give a little grace 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.240 to the person on that side. So trying to find 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.040 some way to give grace to Adrian Gonzalez. And you 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.840 said he was scared. Possibly, that's my job, because I'm 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.320 a citizen. I can be scared and stand out there 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.839 and coward and be a coward. I can do that 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.960 as a citizen. You signed up to protect these people. 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.480 Signed it says to protect and serve on the side 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.479 of those cars. And a part of that is, yes, 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:44.880 possibly taking a bullet for a seven year old, that's 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.000 your job. And to see some of them explain and 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:49.640 some of the officer this is not us. These are 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:54.160 other officers who say no. The training is to go in. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:58.520 You engage, even if you don't shoot and kill the shooter. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.919 You get us a attention, get him to shoot at 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.320 you instead of elementary school kids. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:05.880 The very least you distract him. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:06.520 Oh my god. 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.520 A Texas ranger actually, to your exact point, testified yesterday 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.800 for the prosecution, and the prosecutor prosecutor asked him, are 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:20.000 there limitations about going into a shots fired active shooter situation? 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.400 Here is the exact quote from that Texas ranger. There 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.920 is not a limitation. I wouldn't say so. The rule 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.760 is to engage and to stop the killing. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:30.960 Period. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.360 I don't know what else to I don't know or 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.920 if this is and again Adrian Gonzalez, we don't know him, 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.320 not suggesting he's might be the best guy, a good 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.560 guy who made a really bad call based on whatever 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.080 he was going through, his emotions, his energy, his fear, 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:52.280 whatever was happening that caused him to freeze. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.440 I was gonna say it sounds like he was paralyzed 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:55.560 with fear. 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:59.239 Fear in a moment that people called for his help. 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.320 That is a devastating ropes to think it is a 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:08.120 possibility that those nineteen didn't have to die. He beat 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.480 the shooter to the school. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.400 Yes, they described where he was. 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.760 He was actually on duty at the high school, which 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.240 was nearby, and he heard over the radio a car crash, right, 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.320 so a massive car crash. That's how this all began. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.920 The shooter crashed his white vehicle, and the funeral director 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.200 of the funeral home, which was directly across the street 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:35.640 from the rob Elementary School, immediately starts calling nine one one, begging, begging, 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.560 please I can hear the shots. The officer arrived. They 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.160 actually have the time stance, I stamps. I believe the 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:46.839 crash happened around eleven thirty in the morning. Officer Gonzalez 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.000 was there by eleven forty, so he was there within 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.880 like minutes and before the shooter even had the. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.240 Opportunity to go into the school itself. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.640 And a teacher, well, the prosecutor testified that there was 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.840 a teacher who got up right up close to Officer 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:08.480 Gonzalez's face and said, basically, please, he's over there, Please 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.560 go get him, and was pointing Officer Gonzalez into the 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.040 direction because she had just faced the shooter and knew 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:16.680 what he was doing and said, please go get him. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.280 And Adrian Gonzalez, according to the prosecutor, prosecutor did nothing 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.720 and it wasn't just a split second decision to do 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:27.880 nothing seven seven minutes. Imagine that an hour and seven 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:32.320 minutes of terror of shots being fired, and no one 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.880 goes inside, no one does anything. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.000 And Gonzalez is we should mention he's the first of two. 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:42.600 The other is the former school police chief. Actually that's 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.319 going to be facing trial as well. These details that 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.679 have been coming out of this case now we're going 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.880 to get more, but there is a real possibility people 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:56.599 that this trial won't continue this week. What is the 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.080 judge going. He doesn't want to declare mistrial robes, but 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:01.520 I don't know. Maybe they were. There's some deal they 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.280 can work out, but they are going to have to 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:04.959 discuss it. And what was the case is what the 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:10.560 judge is allowing the defense to interview the prosecutors about. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.160 What they did, ye what they knew and when they 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.920 knew it in this testimony or this very important piece 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.439 of evidence and from the testimony of this teacher, when 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.440 did it change? When did they know about what she 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.840 was going to testify to? And we should point out 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.760 on Monday, when they were seating a jury, they actually 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.440 had to dismiss more than one hundred jurors who admitted 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.199 and said I cannot be impartial. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:33.400 Yea. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.360 They said they had already formed opinions. Some of them 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:40.200 were teachers, some of them were husbands of teachers, people 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.760 who said, I already know that if my wife or 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.080 my child were in that building, I would blame the 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.000 officers for not going in period. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:48.720 End of story. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.679 I'd admit I was surprised I got twelve. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.640 So they actually even said it was pretty remarkable they 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.520 were able to see twelve jurors and four alternates. 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:57.800 Quickly within one day. 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.440 But to have all those folks just walk out and say, nope, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.280 I can't be impartial. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:04.959 I don't know that I've ever seen that before. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.560 Well, we had so many yes, the jury the way 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.079 deer right, this whole process that they go through, but 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.240 robes every once in a while, don't you Usually hear 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.559 jurors trying to make sure they I don't want to 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.760 say fool, but you want to sound like you're important, 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.880 like I can be impartial here and whatnot? They just 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.199 raising their hands. Nope, he's good. I know what I 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.040 would do, So you want me here. This is what's 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:27.440 going to happen. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.199 Yeah, I'm going to tell say that he's guilty. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:30.440 I don't really I appreciate that. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:31.000 I do too. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.920 I'm sure the defense actually appreciated it as well, because 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:35.839 you don't want somebody. And then you think about if 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.440 all those people walked out, the people who did, because 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:38.840 I think they. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.400 Had about four hundred plus jurors to go through. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.400 But if a quarter of them immediately just raise their 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.920 hand and say I'm not going to be impartial. 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.400 It's just easy to eliminate folks. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.720 Yes, imagine the people who might say, cool, I'm not 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.280 going to say it out loud, but I know exactly 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:54.120 what I'm going to do. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.600 You may that's probably some of that on the oh Man, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.720 you don't want to say that about the jurors, but 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:00.800 you guess to think that's true. This is happening in 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.040 Corpus Christie, it's happening down there in Texas. It's happening 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.199 in an area where that how the whole country is 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.040 familiar with this story, but ropes, How can anybody there 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.120 not be impacted? Maybe not know somebody who knows, somebody 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.439 whose kids play on a team with somebody, that kind 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:15.520 of a thing. It's impossible. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.559 And even for someone like us, who are far removed. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.240 We covered it, but I don't know anyone personally who 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.160 was involved. And yet I feel very impassioned by it, 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.800 as do I would argue most human beings, especially those 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:32.160 who have children. It's just an impossible thing to ignore 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.840 that feeling of why wouldn't you do your job? And 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.640 if you had done your job, lives would have been saved, period, 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.040 Maybe not all of them, but at least some of them. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.880 That's got to be an argument. So it's hard to 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.360 go back in the ifs and what I just can't 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.760 imagine a scenario where all of these kids would have 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.600 died if he would have acted. I just can't imagine 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.640 a scenario with fire shots in the air, do something 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.760 to yell and screen there's an officer here, just get 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.080 is I just I don't know the training roles, but 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.719 it's hard to imagine that the outcome would have been 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:04.760 the same had he acted. 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.000 I know, you remember the interview I did with that 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:11.120 teacher who described how long it took the shooting. He 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.560 would just pick people off. It wasn't like just a 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:14.319 big mass shooting. 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:15.240 Yet he ran out. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.640 This went on and on and on. So by the 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:18.319 inaction of. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.600 Those police officers allowed him to continue to kill people. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.840 And this poor teacher actually was hiding and watched almost 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.480 his entire class get shot and killed, and there was 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.360 nothing he could do about it. He had no weapon, 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.079 he had no way to protect those children. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.839 And it's just a horrific scene. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.240 And by the way, Adrian Gonzales is facing the potential 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.840 of life in prison twenty nine counts of child abandonment 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.000 or endangerment. He is facing two years per count, so 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.800 that would amount to what sixty years or so, and 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.640 at his age, that would be basically a life sentence, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.800 but the judge does have a lot of discretion in 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.160 terms of how much he wants to sentence this officer too. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.640 But this is a tough case to overcome for the defense. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:01.640 When you look at the facts. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:03.800 You look at the facts. But folks, would you believe 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.880 there is precedent for a case like this? And would 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.080 you believe the precedent in that case might be one 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:15.120 that's in favor of Adrian Gonzalez. We'll explain it. Stay here. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.480 We continue here on Amy and TJ. After a dramatic 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.000 first day of testimony in the Uvalde trial, a dramatic 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.400 first day that ends up getting us to this point, 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.560 which was supposed to be the second day of testimony, 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.080 but it has been suspended because of an issue that's 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.560 come up that the defense has accused the prosecution of 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.640 withholding some information that could be material to this case. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.560 So today robes are going to spend the day no jury. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.080 They get first day on the job, they get in 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.160 the day off the second day essentially, so the prosecution, 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.800 the defense, and the judge can try to hammer this out, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.600 but a mistrial. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.720 Is on the table, and that is certainly concerning. We 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:05.680 already heard from one of the family members of one 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.960 of the slain children, and they were very upset about 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.480 the potential of a mistrial, as you might imagine, and 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.240 they spoke to several reporters outside of the courthouse when 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.920 it was adjourned yesterday late yesterday evening, and here was 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.520 their quote. We are already anxious and now we're upset. 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.920 All we want is justice for Jackie. It's been three 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.480 and a half years and here we are, and it 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:32.600 has been well documented over these past several years, how upset. 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:37.400 Understandably so, these parents are at the police's in action. 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.400 They have been vocal about it, and many of them 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.720 are in that courtroom and they want justice for their children. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.440 You remember, I know you tube, but yeah, we were 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.040 trying to piece this together and we heard how many 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.400 kids were killed. And I remember a press conference that 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.240 the might have been the first, but it was an 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:56.520 early one when they declared what the police action was. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.360 And then they came back and there was another press 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.120 conference and that's when they were reveal that seventy seven 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:08.440 that that gap and the whole country collectively were just astonished. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.960 And then they tried to explain their behavior, tried to 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.280 explain why this was okay, why this had to be done. 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.720 It was a shit show, to be quite honest, absolutely 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.160 about it, because nobody can comprehend. But Robes, here we 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.359 are three years later. I cannot believe that I continue 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.960 to be surprised and shocked by information that comes out 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.160 about that day that makes it worse. It makes it worse. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.600 Every new detail makes it worse. Oh, it was even 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:39.360 worse than we thought. There is So I try. I 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.240 try to give this guy some kind of grace. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.680 Robes, I hear you, and the jury is hearing the 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.600 nine to one one calls that were happening as Adrian 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:52.600 Gonzalez was on the scene. Oh Jesus, please protect those children. Hurry, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:58.040 begging officers to arrive, hurry please. Oh my god, he's 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.320 jumping into the school yard. He's just jumped over the fence. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.680 These are the nine to one to one calls that 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.399 the jury is hearing, and knowing when they see the 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:12.520 timestamp that officer Gonzales was there, that is hard to overcome. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.400 The defense can say that he's not responsible. 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.080 They said there's an animal involved in the situation, a monster, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.200 and he's no longer here. And because that monster can't 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.440 sit in the chair. My client's sitting in the chair. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.800 But I don't think that is going to That didn't 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:27.919 That doesn't move me. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.680 Hey, how about that question if the shooter had lived, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.600 If the shooter had lived and they were able to 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.880 bring him to trial, would they have taken the time 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:37.200 to bring these officers to trial. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.639 I think so because it's so egregious, It was so 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.760 much a part of the story, how egregiously terrific the 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.159 inaction of these police officers were. It wasn't just that 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.399 they were cowards. And look, that is a question. Is 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.560 being a coward a crime? Okay, that's a fair question 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:58.120 to ask. But when your cowardice behavior leads directly to massacre, 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.919 a massacre that you could have presented prevented if you 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.159 hadn't been a coward, And if your job is to 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.760 not be a coward, if your job is to be brave, 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.720 I think that it is fair to say that being 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.720 a coward in certain positions is potentially criminal. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.040 It sounds like a strong and such an offensive word, coward. 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.760 I don't I don't know what else to say. Because 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.640 I'm only listening to the law enforcement community. I haven't 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.280 gone through police training. I haven't gone through active shooter training, 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.320 but I am pretty sure every officer in this country 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:33.000 pretty much has. 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:33.480 Yes. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.400 Oh, and they do them regularly, right, They do refresher 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.000 courses on this stuff. They focused on this. We haven't 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.840 focused on it since ninety nine and Columbine. So if 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.800 you're telling me that his action that day is in 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.720 line with training, then all training in this country needs 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.280 to change. If you're telling me, if you're going to 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.800 make some argument that he was justified in his behavior 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.600 because of fear or he did and he didn't have 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:05.080 a responsibility to put his life on the line, then 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.960 we have to change standards for police officers. 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:09.679 The defense is saying that he didn't have all the 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:14.639 information he needed to proceed, and that is such a 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.600 tough argument for anyone to get their heads around. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.879 When he was there and saw it and hurt it. 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.320 Any officer in the country, I will ask this country 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.760 this question too. If you show up to a school 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.920 where you're told there's a shooter inside, you hear gunfire, 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:33.520 you're on the scene, what do you do? And if 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.840 you're telling me your correct response is to stand outside, 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.400 stay on the radio. 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:43.359 And wait for seventy seven minutes and again other officers. 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.080 I'm not sure when the other officers arrive, but there 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.160 were plenty on the scenes. But I'm saying, first officer, 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.800 what is his I would love to and I will 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.040 we know officers. I will ask a bunch of them, 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.040 what is it? What would you do? What are you 0:19:55.080 --> 0:20:00.520 supposed to do? I don't know what training is somebody 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:01.639 in their shooting kids. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.160 They're testifying and they will continue to, I'm sure, bring 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.080 up to your point exactly that exact question. And so 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.639 far those who have answered have all said, your job 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.640 is to go in. Your job is to stop to shoot. 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.640 Do you remember what did they have to physically keep 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.359 parents from going? Yes, Okay, here's the thing. This is text. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.600 They were tackling parents who were trying to get past 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.520 the police to get to their kids. 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.080 This is the thing. This is Texas. And if a 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:32.080 Texas parent who is armed had made it to that 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.840 school before Gonzales, I bet the outcome would be different. 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:36.719 I agree. I just got chills thinking about it. 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.840 I walked in that school. You would have walked in 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.520 that school, oh, like like. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:44.480 You would have to tackle me, you would have to 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.199 restrain me. And that did happen. That did happen. They 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.520