1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: producer set the Shadow, Nicholas Johnson. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: want you to know. Today we're sort of talking about 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: spies according to some people, one in particular, and whenever 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: we examine the world of spies, we have to realize 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: that the life of a spy is so offten glamorized 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: in the world of fiction, like either the phrase spy 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: or sespecially secret agent. A lot of people immediately think 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: of James Bond, who we have already I think, uh 16 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: very clearly established, is a terrible example of how to 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 1: be a spy. He's day drunk, uses his real name, 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: says it at every opportunity. His ops set is terrible. 19 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: Real spies are nowhere near as glamorous as James Bond. 20 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: You know, they run the gamut in appearance, socio economic 21 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: level motivation. Some are in it for money, some are 22 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: being blackmailed, you know, the Russian technique of compromat, and 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: some really believe in a particular ideology. Some people really, 24 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, if the spy masters are doing their job right. 25 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: Some operatives aren't even sure who they're working for. And 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: this leads us through the strange, strange twisting tale of 27 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: a man named Jeffrey Alan lash and full to spos. Really, 28 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: I really thought you were going to say Ben Bolan, okay, 29 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 1: uh own to be Matt. This is this We wanted 30 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: to say, heads up, this may end up being a 31 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: two part episode because there is a lot to this 32 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: story and they're gonna be some surprising things the story 33 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: as well. We're we're not going to approach this in 34 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: a linear way either. There's a bit of a pastiche approach. 35 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: So our story really begins with Jeffrey's death. Here are 36 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: the facts. In the summer of the police were called 37 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: to a residence in the Pacific Palisades Um, a particularly 38 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: posh neighborhood in Los Angeles. Residents in that area were 39 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: concerned because they've noticed a seemingly abandoned suv that was 40 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: parked in the same exact spot for two weeks, and 41 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: then the police received a call. Like we said, there 42 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: were some concerned citizens that saw this abandoned car um 43 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: and that led to a search where authorities found a 44 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: corpse inside the suv and began setting out to piece 45 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: together you know what could have happened to lead to 46 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: this man being in this in this suv in this 47 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: very fancy neighborhood. Oh and it's a twisted story. It 48 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: is a very weird way that they even got to 49 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: that suv in the first place. This is just to 50 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: put this out there. In the same neighborhood, you've got 51 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: like real Hollywood elite. We're talking your Reese Witherspoons and 52 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: what was it According to the Hollywood Reporter that there's 53 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: one other person mentioned, J. J. Abrams, who is not, 54 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: so far as we know, related to this case buy 55 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: anything other than geography. So part of our mission here 56 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: at the front is to clear the name of Reese 57 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: and j J. You're welcome, welcome, They're big fans of 58 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: the show. So yeah, this is not a neighborhood where 59 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: this sort of stuff ever happens. And as we'll find, 60 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: the neighbors grow increasingly obsessed with the story. Astute listeners, 61 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: you'll note that we're talking about a body being in 62 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: a sealed car, wrapped in blankets for two weeks during 63 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: the height of summer, so the decay is extensive here. 64 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: The corpse is no longer one that you could easily identify, 65 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: probably by just looking at um where the face used 66 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: to be. They eventually do identify this man. Uh. He 67 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: is a man known to neighbors in the area as 68 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: Bob Smith. That is not his real name. His real 69 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: name is Jeffrey Allen Lash. And he turns out he 70 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: is living at a townhouse or was living in a 71 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: townhouse just up the street. So the investigator's head to 72 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: the condo, and in the condo they find um. You 73 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: know how, for anybody who's a fan video games, sometimes 74 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: you'll be playing a game and you'll burst into like 75 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: a secret room and you'll find this cash of all 76 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: this cool stuff, you know, med kids or health potions, 77 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: depending on the genre, cool weapons, spells, stuff like that. 78 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: That's what they find in this In this still missile, 79 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: they find so many guns, more than twelve hundred, Like yeah, 80 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: not trash guns either, like high end pistols, shotguns, rifles. 81 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: All in all, lawyers later estimate, and their estimation does 82 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: become important here. Lawyers later estimate there's about five million 83 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: dollars worth of guns. And you may think, well, maybe 84 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: this person is just a gun collector, right, maybe they 85 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: go to these guns shows and and sell guns or 86 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: something like that. It's just the guns, right, Oh no, no, no, no, 87 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: there was also ammo. Yeah, exactly, around six and a 88 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: half tons and a little more than two hundred thousand 89 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: dollars in cash. Two thirty thousand dollars in cash, not 90 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: to mention like some serious you know, uh like doomsday 91 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: kind of weaponry, right, like bows and arrows and knives. 92 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: And then you had models of bears and lions that 93 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: were used as shooting targets. You know, you always get 94 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: in these situations, right, It's important to be prepared. Quick 95 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: note about that two thirty grand Those were an older bills, 96 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: which is an interesting detail. Uh so these weren't like, 97 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, bills printed in the twenty tens or something. 98 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: They were from the eighties, from the nineteen eighties. So 99 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: we've been sitting on them for a while, And is 100 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: that maybe indicated Well, I see what you're saying. But 101 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: it's also like it could mean they were from various 102 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: sources and could have been like drug money or some 103 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: sort of illegal income stream. Well, we don't have to 104 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: get into it yet, but for my money, that was 105 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: the dash that Jeffrey Allen Lash had since the eighties. 106 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: That's my this is my belief, the Lash dash. Yes, 107 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: the last dash. Uh not not facial hair in this 108 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: in this case, but yeah, he was more of a 109 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: beard guy. He had a he had kind of a 110 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: light salt and pepper beard at the time of his demise. 111 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: So the police are freaking out. They also find a 112 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: bunch of explosives. And imagine, if you are one of 113 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: the well healed residents of this neighborhood, you might have 114 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: noticed the weird car. But as we'll see, you are 115 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: already very familiar with weird cars. If you live in 116 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: this neighborhood and and you you walk out one day 117 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: and it looks like one of those scenes from ET 118 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: where the government agents shut down the house, their police everywhere. 119 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: Some of them are weirdly enough, wearing overalls. There's also 120 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: a bomb squad. Actually had to evacuate quite a few 121 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: of the residents, right, Yeah, they had to take. This 122 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: was has matt Level territory, and they were going through 123 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: this huge arsenal weapons and explosives, and they have to 124 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: do it really carefully because it's not uncommon for people 125 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: who have collections like this to also have some safeguards. 126 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: You know, maybe not lethal stuff, but you never know 127 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: until you're until you're in the thick of it. And 128 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: the one thing that baffled them about this is this 129 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: massive amount of guns. This guy's lying to neighbors about 130 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: his names. But all the guns are clean, and we'll 131 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: have to reiterate this again, but this is important. All 132 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: the guns are clean, none of them are dirty. They 133 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: all have serial numbers. They were purchased legally over time. 134 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: But some of these chemicals, these explosives are just too 135 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: unstable to transport. So the police shrug and they're like, uh, 136 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: we have to explode these. We have to have a party. 137 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: And there's so they're literally folks who were not being hyperbolic. 138 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: They're literally so many firearms. There's so much stuff in 139 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: here that it took the police days to move everything, 140 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: and they were moving at truckloads at a time, and 141 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: everybody at this point, neighbors, police, reporters, with a good 142 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: bloodhound knows for weird stories. Everybody is wondering what the 143 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: hell is going on? What happens here exactly? Just a 144 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: quick note before we move on, there are a bunch 145 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: of pictures that you can see of everything we're describing. 146 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: Describing here, there there was I think at least one 147 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: reporter who lived right in the area or a photographer 148 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: for a news outlet who lived in the area who 149 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: was snapping shots of all of this while it's going down. 150 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: And there's one shot, at least according to freelancer who 151 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: wrote for Playboy, there's a picture of that cash we mentioned, 152 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: the older bills laid out on a table in a garage. 153 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: There were so many guns and other things that they 154 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: we're dealing with at the actual house. They had to 155 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: go to a neighbor's house and garage to do the 156 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: money counting in a bunch of other sorting of materials 157 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: was just like the effort to catalog all this stuff 158 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: probably would have been massive. Yeah. So yeah, But but 159 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: like you said, Ben, what the hell happened? What happened? 160 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: What happened? Yeah, police are trying to piece together how 161 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: this dead man ended up in an abandoned vehicle wrapped 162 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: in blankets. It's not something you do after you die 163 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: for yourself. And they were trying to figure out why 164 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: he had so many weapons, how he got them. This 165 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: is this is a real bummer for some of the 166 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: cops because they have to go back and essentially do 167 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: a background check on each and every firearm. So that's 168 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: somebody's horrible job for the next However, log it's not 169 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: just one night. And neighbors are you know, neighbors are 170 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: flocking around while they can and they're saying, uh, they're 171 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: talking to the police about about this guy, and they're like, oh, yeah, 172 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: that's Bob Skinny, Bob Bob Smith. He's interesting. He's got 173 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: an intense dude. He's really into guns. Uh. And he 174 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: said he worked for you guys, well for the FBI 175 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: or the CIA, and I'm not sure. Say the neighbors 176 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: and the police are thinking, okay, well that's something because 177 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: if they work for the FBI, we will be able 178 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: to tell, right, We'll be able to find, we'll be 179 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: able to verify that. And then we pulled some just 180 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: some statements from neighbors because you can tell that there 181 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: like now, this is the number one mystery in the neighborhood, 182 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: because again, this doesn't happen in an area like this. 183 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: One neighbor said, he'll say crazy things to people, like 184 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: he does night missions swimming to Catalina, and he would 185 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: he would come and he would tell us that he 186 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: was going to show us his self defense moves, which 187 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: has such big like Mac energy from Always Sunny in Philadelphia. 188 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, Ben, I'm just it's got a little 189 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: bit of Ben bowl and energy too. I know you 190 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: love a good night walk, so a night mession seems 191 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: right up your alley. But I'm not teaching people martial 192 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: arts swimming. You've taught me some good power moves in 193 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: the past, like the elbow grab. You know, I thought 194 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: wants the same as martial arts. Thanks, but yeah, it's 195 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: the key is it's arrest. It's just it's it's such 196 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: a weird thing to do. Graze exactly exactly. So then 197 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: we have a new new character in this scene. These 198 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: are all just the facts, by the way, This is 199 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: why this might end up being a two partner. So 200 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: shortly after the investigation hits the press, there's a guy 201 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: named Harland Braun. He's an attorney. He's representing a woman 202 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: named Katherine Nebron or Katherine Nebron Goren. This attorney comes 203 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: forward and he says, look, I'm representing Nebron Goren. She 204 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Allen Lash's fiance, and I contacted the police 205 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: on her behalf to tell tell everyone where to find 206 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: the body. And I also wanted to alert them to 207 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: the massive amount of weaponry at this residence because he 208 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: was concerned. Now, Braun is an interesting character. He is 209 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: a veteran criminal defense attorney for people in the audience 210 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: who care about celebrities. You might recognize him from his 211 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: work with Dennis Rodman, Roseanne bar Gary Busey, and perhaps 212 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: was infamously Robert Blake. So he's he's heard a lot 213 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: of war stories, you know what I mean. He is 214 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: in the true crime world. But even for broad this 215 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: story Catherine is telling them is down right bizarre. You 216 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: know what I think? Maybe we should hold that info, 217 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: that bombshell for a quick word for our sponsor. They'll 218 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: be right back. Good call, Let's build a tension a 219 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: little bit. All right, we're back. Here's the scoop. Here's 220 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: what you're hearing. If you're one of the police officers, 221 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: who's stuck on this case. So Lash told his fiance 222 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: that he was an undercover operative for a top secret 223 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: government agency and that as a result of his work, 224 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: he and she and everyone they interacted with were under 225 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: surveillance constantly by the same agency that he was working for. 226 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: So this mystifies the lawyer Broad And this is, by 227 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: the way, not the whole story yet, because we're still 228 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: in the realm of the facts. This mystifies Broad And 229 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: he says, you know, the problem here is that the 230 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: truth may be unbelievable. She meaning Katherine, will talk to 231 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: l A p d. But would anybody believe it? Does 232 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: she really believe it? Did he really believe it? These 233 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: are the questions, folks, These are the questions. It was 234 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: going one way or another. It was gonna be a 235 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: long night at the police station. It was gonna be 236 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: a series of long nights at the police station. They 237 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: had to answer several questions. Who was Jeffrey Alllett Lash, 238 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: Who did he actually work for? How did he die? 239 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. So, according to this fiance, 240 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: Nebron Goren, Lash and his friend were shopping at a 241 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: farmer's market on will Shore Boulevard in Santa Monica on 242 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: the fourth of July, when Lash started to feel some 243 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: kind of nasty symptoms. He was feeling hot and sick 244 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: um in the parking lot um and as Braun told 245 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: the l A Times, the group tried to cool Lash 246 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: out with some ice, but he passed away. Yeah, I 247 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: believe there was. It was dry ice as well, like 248 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: that they were trying to use, like they were trying 249 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: to very quickly cool him down. They were called a 250 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: doctor on the scene. To a REKA practitioner, this is unusual, right, 251 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: we're thinking the report's very I found one one report 252 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: I think we we all read where this They said 253 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: this occurred on July three instead of fourth, but it 254 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: was it was around this time. It was like the 255 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: first week of July, and you're wondering, well, I've been 256 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: in situations where one of my friends isn't feeling well 257 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: or they're injured or something. I know what to do. 258 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: I would call paramedics, or if you live in the US, 259 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: where most people try to avoid an ambulance ride, you 260 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: would drive them to the hospital. But due to their 261 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: belief that Lash is a spy and more than a spy, uh, 262 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: they held off. He had given his close associates explicit 263 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: instructions on day to day life, like with Nebron Gore, 264 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: and he was kind of running her life. And he 265 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: was doing this with a couple of different people, and 266 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: he would say, you know, very cryptic things like don't ever, 267 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: he didn't want a paper trail of any sorts. You 268 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: didn't want to be involved with the authorities. He had 269 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: earlier before his death damaged four cards in an accident 270 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: and was adamant that no one contact insurance companies, no 271 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: one report anything. And the next day he came back 272 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: and he paid the owners of all four of those 273 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: damaged vehicles in cash baller. But but they they knew, 274 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: and they were to a degree they were afraid of Lash. 275 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: That's very important, so they did not haul the paramedics. 276 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: They called this doctor who was a friend. And then 277 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: he later told the Low paper that he spent ninety 278 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: minutes trying to revive Lash in the passenger seat of 279 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: this SUV while nebron Gore in his outside in parking 280 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: lot freaking out. Yea, he confirmed who that friend was. 281 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: The stuff I was reading, nobody had identified the friend 282 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: who was a doctor. Apparently, they called the mother of 283 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: an employee of Nebron Goren who we will meet shortly. Okay, okay, 284 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: got you. And it's true. The fiancee UM supposedly was 285 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, in shock and grieving and you know, openly 286 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: weeping UM and didn't know what to do with the body, 287 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: but assumed, based on what she did know that the agency, 288 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: whatever a named agency this might be UM was watching 289 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: at all times UH and would potentially come for him, 290 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: come for the body, knowing that he had died. And 291 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: she later told a friend that um Lash had actually 292 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: left very specific instructions on what to do, and the 293 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: first rule of what to do when this guy died 294 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: was don't call the authorities and leave him in the 295 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: car wrapped in blankets and get the hell out of 296 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: town and let his UH handlers or minders take care 297 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: of the body. Which I don't know, like this seems 298 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: unusual in general for any kind of spiker. What I mean, like, 299 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: if you if you're just like living a civilian life 300 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: or maybe you're under cover, I guess, like, is there 301 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: really instructions on what to do with your body if 302 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: you die of natural causes? I would say, uh, no, 303 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: not necessarily. What I would say is in this specific case, 304 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: with this specific individual, there may have been a reason 305 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: why Jeffrey either believed that an authority would want his body, 306 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: or he had convinced somebody that an authority might want 307 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: his body for a very specific reason that I don't 308 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: want to spoil right now, or maybe he had convinced 309 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: himself of this. It seems they're like they're i'd be 310 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: a little bit this guy might have been a little 311 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: little kookie. Yeah, it's it's quite possible that we're looking 312 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: at a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's court moments. That's 313 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: the Mark Twain book, where a cartoonish stereotype of a 314 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: Yankee based on Mark Twain's opinions at the time. Somehow 315 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: time travels back to Camelot and there's this, without spoiling 316 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: too much of it because it's brilliantly written, there's this 317 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: moment where this Yankee guy is in King Arthur's court 318 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: and he meets Merlin and he has this realization where 319 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: he says, uh, he says, holy, this guy thinks he's 320 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: a real magician, even though he obviously it is not. 321 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: So there's like, yeah, there may be some self delusion 322 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: going on there, and that's a really good point that 323 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: also comes into play in a big way or it 324 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: leaves us some big questions. But to answer that original question, um, no, yes, 325 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: depending on sircumstances, there will be processes for handling or 326 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: disposing a body if the disposing of a body of 327 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: things go south. But the issue here is that unless 328 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: somebody is somehow in on an operation or an initiative, 329 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: you probably if you're a spy, you probably wouldn't tell them, right, 330 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: You wouldn't tell them anything because you don't want to 331 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: be my spooky government friend. You want to be you know, 332 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: your local neighborhood. Yeah. So it does sound weird though 333 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: the way you recount it, because it sounds really specific. 334 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: And she does this. Whatever he has told her, she 335 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: has digested it, she believes it. So she leaves his body, 336 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: dips off to Oregon with an employee of hers who 337 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: is an assistant, and they're gone for about a week 338 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: and a half, two weeks, letting things blow over. They 339 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: come back and they're they're over, you know, they're at 340 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: the Palisades, and they say, and then Katherine is thinking, 341 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: holy smokes, this vehicle is still here. It's in the 342 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: same spot. How long is it gonna take his you know, 343 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: people or whatever they are to pick him up. Let's 344 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: let's leave it. Let's leave it right there, because now 345 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: we have to start asking ourselves. Hold on, rewind, who 346 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Allen Lash? Most immediately, how did he actually die? 347 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: He just got hot, He got hot to death. And 348 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: why on earth do they use dry eye to try 349 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: and cool him down? That's an odd flex as well. Well, 350 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean it was just the cooling effect is I 351 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: don't think you would use regular ice, so you can 352 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: actually put it directly in contact with the skin. Dry 353 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: ice burns if you put it on your skin. That's 354 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: why they needed the blankets. No, come on, excuse me. 355 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: So okay, So there was more going on with lashes 356 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: body and his health than was immediately known. So according 357 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: to Los Angeles Police Deputy Chief Kirk Albany's uh, he said, 358 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: detectives didn't believe, at least after they examined the body, 359 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: even though it was in a state of decay, they 360 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: didn't believe that he had died from foul play of 361 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: any kind, at least initially. That's what they believed, That's 362 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: what they observed. Um This Deputy chief also said that 363 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: the man was suffering from end stage cancer. So there's 364 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: a reason why, you know, just being hot could have 365 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: been a problem. There's a reason why maybe his body 366 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: was overheating. He was. He was going through it for real, 367 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: and doesn't appear to have been undergoing chemotherapy or some 368 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: of the other treatments, uh, you know, because chemotherapy would 369 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: have noticeable visual effects on the body. Yeah, he was. 370 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: They were going a different route according to much of 371 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: the reporting. What we would learn later, he was eating 372 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: a very specific diet, taking some supplements and some other things. 373 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: You know. I actually had a piano teacher um when 374 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: I was younger, who had UH this type of cancer, 375 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: and she did the same thing. She ate lots of 376 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: UH foods that were high in certain nutrients, and she 377 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: ate a lot of carrots, and it actually was I 378 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: remember her remarking on it, and I noticed she was 379 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: eating so many carrots and her skin actually took on 380 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: this kind of orange ish hue. But she did that 381 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: completely in place of more traditional I guess, you know, 382 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: Western remedies. Yeah. I mean, that's a true that's a 383 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: true story. That's a real thing that can happen if 384 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: you eat enough carrots, your your skin will start to show. 385 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Alan Lash seemed to be more of a raw 386 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: meat juices guy at this point. But but you're You're right, 387 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, And it's it's an understandable, frightening thing. In 388 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: the grips of illnesses that are you know, going to 389 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: be considered terminal for any number of reasons, people will 390 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: naturally and logically reach out to any any pot, reach 391 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: out for any possible glimmer of hope, any treatment, especially 392 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: as mortality for the moment of death approaches side note unrelated. 393 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: When I see terminal conditions here in the US, I 394 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: think we also have to acknowledge that there are curable 395 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: conditions that are terminal for the vast majority of people 396 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: because they are too expensive right to fix. Yeah, which 397 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: is something the future historians will not look back on 398 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: with a very high opinion of society. That's not a 399 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: political thing. That's just true. You can you can, uh, 400 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: And I'm going somewhere with this. It's not just the soapbox. 401 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: You can die of completely curable things because you do 402 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: not have enough money or a credit line to survive. 403 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: There's very there's very much a price put on the 404 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: average American life. But this should not have applied to 405 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Allen Lash. He lived in a very wealthy neighborhood. 406 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: He had tons of rich man's toys. Right, we haven't 407 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: even gotten into his weird cars yet, and he just 408 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: had hundreds of thousands of dollars sitting around. The guy 409 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: could have gone to treatment centers. So he made a 410 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: personal choice. Maybe it's for privacy, or maybe you know, um, 411 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: maybe he did in the course of his own research, 412 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: like your piano teacher. Maybe he became convinced that there 413 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,479 Speaker 1: was a hidden cure, right, or there was something less 414 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: damaging to the body than chemotherapy that he could have done. Anyway, 415 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: one of the big don't think he had insurance, been 416 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: no paper trail, that's true. Yeah, he would have been 417 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: paying shout of pocket because he always paid with cash, 418 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: so it would have been that magic Johnson style injection 419 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: from South Park An maybe, yeah, right, I remember that one. Well. Also, 420 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: this is another I know I'm taking us on tangents, sorry, 421 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: but this is another thing. Maybe not everybody realizes about 422 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: the some of the very well to do people, probably 423 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: people a few atmosphere levels of wealth above Lash as 424 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: far as we know, after a certain threshold of income 425 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: and wealth, you don't go to the doctor. You have 426 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: a doctor on retainer for twenty four hours day, seven 427 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: days a week. They just come when you call, They 428 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: will show up at your house. You pay them a 429 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: lot of money. Also write whatever prescription you want. It's 430 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: pretty great healthcare. But going back to Albany's and the 431 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: question of how he died, you know, was his foul 432 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: play was as homicide? He says something really interesting. He 433 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: publicly says, we are also certain that lash did not 434 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: work for any government security agency, and so for his name, 435 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: at least there's there's no record of it. Yeah, right, 436 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: different thing. That's smart. That's a really good point. But 437 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: then there's still so many questions. You know, where do 438 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: you get this money? Where do you come from? When 439 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: I have so many names? Why I have so many guns? 440 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Why did they all appear 441 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: to be legal? And when did he get the guns? 442 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: That's yeah, when and how? And gentlemanber the name of 443 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dwyer, who's the president of one of many Pacific 444 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: Palisades homeowners associations. He was the president of the fourth Chapter, 445 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: said that there were no signs to be seen of 446 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: hoarding guns or ammunition during a twenty eleven repair and 447 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: inspection in this town house where where lived, and the 448 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: neighbors didn't necessarily know Lash's real name. They thought that 449 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: he was called Bob Smith, which sounds like the most 450 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: lazy pseudonym imaginable. Um, But this guy seems like he 451 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: had a weird kind of dark streak in terms of 452 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: his sense of humor and the way he you know, 453 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: gave out just enough weird information to his neighbors to 454 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: seem mysterious and dangerous, like you said, Ben, Uh. And 455 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: according to Dwyer, the homeowner group never had a reason 456 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: to question whether Bob Smith was his real name because 457 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: Nebron Goren owned the townhouse, so he was just like 458 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: living there, you know, as her guest. Essentially, Yeah, it 459 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: was very very smart to Uh. It's very it's a 460 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: very effective way of obscuring ownership or keeping yourself off 461 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: of government records, and and from a social engineering aspect, 462 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: it's brilliant because it all depends on like what people 463 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: think is polite and diplomatic and conversation, and so when 464 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: you're looking at the social dynamic between neighbors, even if 465 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: you want, even if you're on the homeowners association, Uh, 466 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: you're not. You're probably not gonna ever say to your neighbor, 467 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: So what's going on in your relationship? Man? It's your 468 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 1: your girlfriend actually owns the house. Is that that's something 469 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: you want to talk to me about? You would never 470 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: say that, that's like, that's so ruble and it would 471 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: never even need to come up, you know what I mean? 472 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: But if if they if they basically acted as a 473 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: unit as a couple, even if you know, and the 474 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: thing is, you can be someone's fiancee for like ever, right, 475 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: But that's still is enough that the cover story totally 476 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: checks out, even if there were some details that were 477 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: super sketchy, like the dude's twelve cars. Uh that that 478 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: that that he kept around? How do you even keep 479 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: twelve cars in a town house? Doesn't know? There'll be 480 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: enough parking for that because you have to have a 481 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: separate garage. But one of them appeared to be bullet 482 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: proof and worth around a hundred grand, and then another 483 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: one was like a specialty custom job that appeared to 484 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: be designed to go ben You questioned whether maybe it 485 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: was an underwater car, but at the very least, it 486 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: was a highly waterproof vehicle, right. Yeah, So so it 487 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: was described that way, and it has been described that 488 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: way in a lot of different places. And just just 489 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: a note here, there are these are storage units where 490 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: like storage garages, essensibly essentially where these vehicles were stored 491 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: in many places, and they are also well we won't 492 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: talk about it now, there are apparently a lot of 493 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: storage units associated with Jeffrey Allen lash and and uh, 494 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: to the point about, yeah, I didn't mean to be 495 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: starky when I was talking about the underwater vehicle, because okay, 496 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: here's why. So reading about this underwater vehicle, I'm thinking, oh, 497 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: this is so cool. We maybe we are getting into 498 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: some James Bond territory. Even if this guy a little deluded. Uh, 499 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: it's funny. I read some statements by that lawyer we 500 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. Broad and Broad is of all the things 501 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: he's skeptical about, he's weirdly skeptical about that car. It's 502 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: like they you know, they say it's an underwater car, 503 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: and that's that's amazing, but it's it's not like a 504 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: submarine or something. I think maybe you could drive through 505 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: a river like that that's how we talked. This is 506 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: the car. You know, it's not mince words here. I 507 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: mean most cars are pretty much waterproof, but I mean, well, 508 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean, just in general, you can drive through a 509 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: torrential Downpourt and you're not going to have leak edge 510 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: in your car. But the undercarriage is the part that 511 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: you don't want to get wet, so that would be 512 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: a part that probably have to be specially designed to 513 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: be sealed. I think it's exactly. I think it's an 514 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: amphibious car, so it's probably more meant to just float 515 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: or help you forward a stream, a creek or river, 516 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: or maybe you just have a It's pretty cool. It's 517 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: pretty cool, and it's very James Bond esque, uh, I mean, 518 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: and the bulletproof car, dude. And the fact that what 519 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: he and his uh fiance would would always go to 520 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: dinner separately, in separate vehicles and I'll always pay cash. 521 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: That was something that was noted of them. And somehow 522 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: they got away without using license plates. Yes, that's why 523 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about. Yeah, that's amazing, isn't it 524 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: that they got away for so long without getting pulled over? 525 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: So exactly, so, according to that freelancer who wrote for Playboy. 526 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: They had a scheme essentially where they would trade in 527 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: vehicles after a certain amount of time, so they always 528 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: had dealer plates. So, you know, you get that, you 529 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: get a new car, used car, whatever it is, you 530 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: got a dealer plate for a certain amount of time 531 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: before you have to get actual plates. Get pulled over 532 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: the day after my birthday for having an expired tag. 533 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: How do you get away with that for so long? 534 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: It just seems like cheating fate. You know, well, if 535 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: it looks like a new car, then the authorities would 536 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: have no reason to even think about checking your plate. 537 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's that is true. But when you're 538 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: in the Palisades, remember right, so the police are going 539 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: to be a little bit more deferential as long as 540 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: you look like you belong. But then is probably based on, honestly, 541 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: how nice your car is, I imagine, But but but 542 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: you're right, it is a different world. I also tend 543 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: to get pulled over for a lot of that stuff. 544 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: I was going through something a number of years ago 545 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: where I was just really lazy. I kept forgetting to 546 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: put that little sticker you get in Georgia on the plate, 547 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: and I was so lazy that I had it in 548 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: my glove box and I got pulled over, uh twice, 549 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: But in both times the police were we're sort of annoyed. 550 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: They were like it, just put it. It's a sticker, 551 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: and just put it on your like before you drive away. 552 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: The second time the guy was like, just before you 553 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: drive away, just put this on, like I have other 554 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: stuff to do. Um. So I can understand how those 555 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: little things could be a hassle, but they were. The 556 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: point is they were putting time and energy and assiduous 557 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: thought into not ever having to interact with the DMV. 558 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: They were buying these cars cash as well. We should 559 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: mention so that there was not a payment plan. There's 560 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: no loan business that comes in. Everything that this guy 561 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: is doing is completely meant to prevent him from being documented. 562 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: And did we do we mention that he freaked out 563 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: around cameras like a vampire with mirrors. Yeah, just ducking 564 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: all the time, doing the the old cough into the 565 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: arm move. Uh that's we don't know if that if 566 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: that's the paparazzi shuffle. So that's called I thought he 567 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: covered his coat space and did like warn r Poku. 568 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: It's very we're painting. It is a very mature person. 569 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: Actually sounds like a lot of fun at this point, 570 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: I know, Gosh really said I never got to meet 571 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: this guy. Uh well, hey, what speaking of meeting him, 572 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: Let's take another break here word from our sponsor, and 573 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll get into more of the 574 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: biographical details of what we know about Jeffrey Allen lash 575 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: or Bob Smith. And we have returned, so we know 576 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: a little bit about his background. Now we know he 577 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: grew up in a middle class lifestyle in modest family 578 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: home in near near the l A Airport. For a while, 579 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: he wanted to be a microbiologist like his father, and 580 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: his mother was a piano teacher. But then um around 581 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: the time he dropped out of college, according to his stepmother, 582 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: Shirley Anderson, he cut himself off from his family. He 583 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: became super sketch and very secretive about what he was doing, 584 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: and his stepmother and his father had no reliable way 585 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: of contacting him. He would just sort of drift in 586 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: every so often in person, you know what I mean, 587 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: never calling on the phone, just in person, and then 588 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 1: he was gone again. He would show up like two 589 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: days before Thanksgiving, but never on Thanksgiving, which is kind 590 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: of brilliant if you think about it. I hate that. 591 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: Nothing worse than someone showing up early to a holiday. Yeah, 592 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: so we have it. We have a quote from his stepmother. 593 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: She says he was just a loner as far as 594 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: we were concerned. He just became weird because he changed 595 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. He just became weird. That's about right. 596 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: I can't talk to you on the phone anymore. Mother, 597 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: I've become weird. Become weird, I've changed. Okay, Well, let 598 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: us know if you need a sweetheart, absolutely not. But 599 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: I'll see three days before Thanksgiving, I'll come with a 600 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: fresh pumpkins, specially baked pumpkin pie. I just love that. 601 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: I love you. Know. What do you think just between 602 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: like the five of us was hanging on the show today, 603 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: do you think we could get away with using I've 604 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: become weird, I've become strange as an excuse conversation. I 605 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: can't milk COVID forever. I'm so sorry, guys, I can't. 606 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: I have to stop this right here. I've become weird. Yeah, right, Like, Hey, hey, 607 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: do you wanna you wanna go get some wings with us? Later? Uh, 608 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: later after work been I'm sorry, I can't make it. 609 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: I've I've become strange. Stop you right there. But you know, 610 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: there is a interesting connection, you know, with the family 611 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: here to this perhaps metamorphosis. When Lash's father was dying, 612 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: Anderson said that she was unable to reach Lash, who 613 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: never came to the funeral, not even three days early, 614 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,320 Speaker 1: which would have been weird, um, Anderson said, which you know, 615 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: in character for him. Anderson said that she was unaware 616 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: of any like, you know, independent wealth that he might 617 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: have accrued that would allow Lash to purchase these millions 618 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: of dollars and weapons. Uh. And just reminder that's that's 619 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: the stepmother, and that whatever this secret job might have been, 620 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: if it even existed, he definitely had money. And do 621 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: do we know much about his fiancee because I'm sorry 622 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: to think about that name just makes me think wealth. 623 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why a hyphen it name always makes 624 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: me think wealth. We do because before she was his 625 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:45,240 Speaker 1: fiance she was married too. She was married to a dentist, 626 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: I believe, and when Lash moved in with her that 627 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: she and the dentist were still living together. That's why 628 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: her name was Nebro and gored and eventually he drove 629 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: to a part she was. She had She was a 630 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 1: business owner, Katherine never and Gordon was, and she did 631 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: pretty well for herself. She owned several different properties throughout 632 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: the area. Business was booming. She was to some success story, 633 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: which I think is objectively true, and then to a 634 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: certain type of person, she was a ripe target. But 635 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: the point about the family is really interesting because it's 636 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: kind of a badger in the bag, right, an elephant 637 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: in the room. When your story is about very eccentric 638 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: people who have who seemed to have a lot of 639 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: stuff and get away with a lot of things, one 640 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: of the first questions you have to ask yourself is 641 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: their family money at play? Right? Like when you read 642 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: stories about who was that guy? Was he a DuPont Air? 643 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm talking about who's into wrestling? Oh the 644 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: fox Catcher guy? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't he 645 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: from family? Yeah, I remember, I just remember recreations of 646 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: the house from the movie reenactment of those events. But 647 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: it was lovely. Well, that's that's the thing. I mean, 648 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: it's it's true, like you have to ask yourself, is 649 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: their family money at play? Because and the father did 650 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: their DIY. So there was a question for a time 651 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: of whether there was an inheritance in the mix. Anderson, 652 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: the stepmother, says that there was not. And this is 653 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: of great interest to the investigators because she also says, 654 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't know where you got the money from, and 655 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: that's what they're that's what they're looking for, right, because 656 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: there should be some sort of way to account for 657 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,879 Speaker 1: these massive amounts of cash, you know, even if it's 658 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: even if it's something illicit, right, if it's like for 659 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: a while, there was a suspicion that maybe he was 660 00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: of a former drug dealer, maybe at kingpin level, who 661 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: who just got out of the game, and that that 662 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: would explain why the cash was so old, his what 663 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: do we call what do we call it lash slash uh, 664 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: But this didn't seem to be the case, so no 665 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: one still, no one knows where the money was from. 666 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: I would say that that scenario also would make a 667 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: lot of sense for why he absolutely didn't want to 668 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: be tracked. And yeah, yeah, I think we could say 669 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: it here on this show. We don't think he was 670 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: narco um, We don't think that he was well, he 671 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: definitely wasn't currently a drug dealer, but he may have 672 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: been involved in the past. We just there are just 673 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: a lot of missing spots in his biography. But police 674 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: know that he had to. Like at this point, before 675 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: they've gotten um evaluation of just the firearms from the lawyers. Uh. 676 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: Police initially look at all this stuff and they say, Okay, 677 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: this is at least half a million dollars depending on 678 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: how you bought it, you know what I mean, off 679 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: the grid. This is before they were able to spend 680 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: the time tracing everything. And then later sources come back 681 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,479 Speaker 1: and they say, actually, this is more like five million 682 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: dollars just for the guns. The condo itself. Um, we 683 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: know the value of it from well at the time 684 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: of this investigation. So we know the value of the 685 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: condo from the last time it was sold, which was 686 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: where it was worth almost five hundred thousand dollars. Because 687 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: of the location it's in, that price has surely spiked. 688 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: I wonder how many millions that actually would be. That's crazy. 689 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: Thank you tracked two thousand eight whatever the crash happened, 690 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,800 Speaker 1: and then you just add you know, add seven. You know, 691 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,720 Speaker 1: I've been on Zillo a lot. Give me an address. 692 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: I'll tell you how much. It was the cost right now, 693 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: such as Zillo Guy Zillo, It'll make you feel really 694 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: bad about your current situation. There's some I saw some 695 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: page I can't remember what it was online, but was 696 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: called Zillo Gone Wild. Yeah, and it's just um what's 697 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,359 Speaker 1: it's just weird houses on Zillo houses. Your mother would 698 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: be ashamed of how since you can't take home to 699 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: meet your parents. So this is you know, we have 700 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: some levity, but there are some dark things coming up. 701 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: Whatever the official story is or whatever story he was pushing, 702 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: it is clear that Lash may have been sick for 703 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: some time. He was sixty years old at the time 704 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: of his death, and shortly before passing away, he had 705 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 1: told Katherine nebrind Goren that he was suffering from terminal cancer. 706 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: He did add that this was a result of exposure 707 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: to mysterious dangerous chemicals in the course of his career 708 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: as a spy or an operative, and he had been 709 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: acting so very sketchy for so very long. He was 710 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,800 Speaker 1: always careful to cantileze people, to never tell them exactly 711 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: what he did for a living, but to drop mysterious 712 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: hints it uh and just just in conversation, right, and 713 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: It's weird because the way that he talks to people 714 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,879 Speaker 1: about this, or the way they recount conversations with him, 715 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: it sounds like he is trying to bait people into 716 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: asking him more so that he can say, you know, 717 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: I can't say anymore, you know what I mean? He 718 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,760 Speaker 1: just wants he wants to be that U dos Eck's 719 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: most interesting man. This doesn't work out for him, as 720 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: you know. That's why we started with the death. But 721 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: this is part one of our examination in the story. 722 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 1: We know it sounds a little crazy right now where 723 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: we at. We've got an unsolved death, and we've got 724 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: questions that seem to mount as the investigation continues. Can 725 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: we answer any of these questions? Well, we'll we'll give 726 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: it a shot in part two of this episode. In 727 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: the meantime, we want to know what you think. Have 728 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 1: you ever heard of Jeffrey Allen lash Do you have 729 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: other stories of mysterious deaths that you would like to 730 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: share with your fellow conspiracy realists? If so, let us know. 731 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: We try to be easy to find online. That's right. 732 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: You can find us a Conspiracy Stuff on Twitter and Facebook, 733 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: Conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram. Um, why don't you do 734 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: us a solid tode and pop on over to Apple 735 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 1: Podcasts and leave a review, five star review if you please. 736 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,919 Speaker 1: We appreciate it, and it helps people discover the show. 737 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: Uh and helps to kind of bump up in those 738 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: those Apple rankings. Yes, and also, uh, just to add 739 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: this in before we get out of here and we 740 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,359 Speaker 1: tell you about a couple other contact methods. I keep 741 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: thinking about this concept that he wasn't a part or 742 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 1: at least it was confirmed that he wasn't a part 743 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: of any kind of drug running scheme or like an 744 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: overlord or any an overlord, a drug lord of any kind. 745 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: Um It. It keeps sticking in my mind just how 746 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: clean his life was, even with all of those guns, 747 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: even with all the cash and all the weird cars 748 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,879 Speaker 1: and all the stuff, How clean his life was, um 749 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: and it it feels like to me, that's almost a 750 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: reaction to being in a life where you know none 751 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 1: of your money is legitimate. You can't spend any of 752 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: your cash, you can't do anything with it. So you 753 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,799 Speaker 1: find a way to clean it. You find a way 754 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: to live a life that is um where you could 755 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: actually use your wealth for whatever you wanted. And if 756 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: somebody looked at you. You wouldn't get in trouble anyway. Well, 757 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,799 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we don't have to talk about this now. 758 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 1: Ah was to stay stay tuned, folks. Uh, And that's 759 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: a that's a great that. I'm really glad that you're 760 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: pointing that out, because after a certain threshold, being too 761 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: clean can be almost as bad as having some believable priors. 762 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 1: So we're going to we're gonna hold for that. We 763 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,959 Speaker 1: want to hear what you think about situations like this. Also, 764 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about people who have 765 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: ditched their identities or committed pseudo side faking one's death, 766 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: then do check out. There's an excellent book Playing Dead. 767 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: We can talk a little bit more about how people 768 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:45,320 Speaker 1: try to transform their personalities, how to some dues and don'ts. 769 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll throw some of those in. But we want 770 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Give us give us call one 771 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,120 Speaker 1: eight three three st d W y t K. Tell 772 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,399 Speaker 1: us which we shoot for it. Tell us about times 773 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: you had a different identity, maybe maybe for a few hours, 774 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: maybe for you days. Uh, you know, let us know 775 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: if we can use your name and or a cool 776 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: nickname on the air. You've got three minutes, they belong 777 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: to you. If you have a story that is longer 778 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: than three minutes, I assume that faking your death or 779 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 1: living under a different identity would be more than a 780 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: three minute story. Feel free to write it out in 781 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: full and send it to us as a good old 782 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: fashioned email where we are conspiracy at i heart radio 783 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: dot com. Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is 784 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from 785 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: my heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 786 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,120 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.