1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, It's been seventeen days 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: since the FBI rated President Trump's Mara Lago estate, and 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: there are still so many unanswered questions. On Thursday, August eighteenth, 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: US Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhardt ruled the Department of Justice 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: must turn over the redacted version of the affidavit used 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: to justify the unprecedented FBI search by this Thursday at 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: twelve noon. The FBI argued against releasing the affidavit, asserting 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: that a quote could compromise its investigation. On June nineteenth, 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: President Trump sent a letter to the National Archives naming 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: two individuals, former Trump administration official Cash Battel and Just 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: the News editor in chief John Solomon as quote representatives 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: for access to the presidential records of my administration. Here 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: to help us understand the latest of what is going 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: on with the FBI's raid on mar I'm really pleased 15 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: to welcome my good friend and guest, John Solomon. He 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: is an award winning investigative journalist, author, and digital media 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: entrepreneur who serves as chief executive officer and editor in 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: chief of Just the News. Before founding Just the News, 19 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: Solomon played key reporting and executive roles at some of 20 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: America's most important journalism institutions, such as The Associated Press, 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: the Washington Post, the Washington Times, Newsweek, the Daily Based, 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: and The Hill. And I just want to say, for 23 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: me personally, I look at just the News first thing 24 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: every morning, and I recommend all of you to sign 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: up for it. You'll find it a remarkable coverage of 26 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: an amazing range of things. John, welcome and thank you 27 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: for joining me on News World. That's an honor to 28 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: be with you. So much to talk about, Well, let's 29 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: start by talking about a timeline of events of what 30 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: happened prior to the August eighth rate, because there really 31 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: was a lot of things going on. I mean, Trump 32 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: leaves the White House with documents in January twenty one. 33 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: Later on, the National Archives reaches out to the Trump 34 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: team about missing potentially classified information. January twenty two, the 35 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: Trump team voluntarily gives the National Archives fifteen boxes. June third, 36 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, high level Department of Justice officials, including 37 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: Jay Bratt, the chief of the Counterintelligence and Export Control 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: section of the Justice Department's National Security Division, with three 39 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: FBI agents meet at Marlago with Trump team. Trump has 40 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: said to have told the group, I appreciate the job. 41 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: You're doing. Anything you need let us know. The group 42 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: was then shown a basement storage area and left with 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: several documents top secret. From June to August, negotiations broke 44 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: down after a perceived lack of cooperation from the Trump team. 45 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: When August fifth, the search warrant was signed and approved 46 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: by the court, and in August eight, roughly thirty federal 47 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: agents executed a search warned of Marralago, the Florida home 48 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: of former President Donald Trump. Now you and Cash Hotel 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: get involved. Back on June nineteenth, when Trump names you 50 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: as his representatives for access to presidential records of my administration, 51 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: what was your role in all this and what did 52 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: you think about it? Yeah, So this is the second 53 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: time in my history as a journalist and I asked 54 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: a former president for access to the records, to non 55 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: public records. The first time was back in nineteen ninety two. 56 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: I asked the Nixon Foundation, Richard Nixon Foundation, for permission 57 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: to go get some non public exit interviews, interviews of 58 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: some of the Watergate figures, and that access, which he 59 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: was kind enough to grant. The foundation was kind enough 60 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: to grant allowed me to tell the story of Ross 61 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Pero's secret background with the Knix administration. Pero had offered 62 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: lots of money to Richard Nixon, got lots of favors 63 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: for his company. Then he didn't deliver the money, and 64 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: Richard Nixon actually was quite angry about him. Pero was 65 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: running for president at that time. It had a profound 66 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: effect in his campaign. So back in April of this year, 67 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: I asked President Trump's team through this press office, for 68 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: permission as a journalist to be authorized to take a 69 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: look in the archives to try to find what we 70 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: call the missing declassified documents. So on the nineteenth of 71 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 1: January twenty twenty one, one day before Donald Trump left office, 72 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: he declassified about a fourteen inch thick binder of documents 73 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: that showed the most serious wrongdoing by the FBI during 74 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: the Russia collision investigation. He ordered those documents released, but 75 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: on the twentieth they did not get released, and for 76 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: most of the last eighteen months, no one could answer 77 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: the question, and so I asked for permission narrowly as 78 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: a journalist, I don't have any other responsibility with the 79 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: Trump teams defense lawyers, specifically to have access to that 80 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: part of the records to see if I could figure 81 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: out what happened, and working with the National Archives, I 82 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: was able to ascertain three weeks ago, and I reported 83 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: this that the morning of January twentieth, about an hour 84 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: before President Trump left office, the Justice Department and FBI 85 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: swooped and made a last minute excuse for why they 86 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: didn't want the documents released, and grabbed the documents and 87 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: prevented them from being released to the American public. And 88 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: that's been the extent of my access to the Archives. 89 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: I continue to work with the Archives to try to 90 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: press them to get these documents back from the Justice 91 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: Department and to make them public, as the former president 92 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: had ordered when he was still in office. And I 93 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: hope to have some good news on that front and 94 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: the next month. But that's been my sole role with 95 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: the Archives. I've had nothing to do with Marlago except 96 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: report on it as a reporter. Just in terms of 97 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: your instinct about all this, you believe there are documents 98 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: that President Trump had declassified that actually related to the 99 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: FBI's role in the whole Russian host thing. Yeah, And 100 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: it's not a belief anymore. One of the great things 101 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: that happened is that the Archives gave me access to 102 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: the presidency Classification Order, so I was able to make 103 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: that public. So the President did, in fact, on January nineteen, 104 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, signed a detailed executive order saying that 105 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: the documents that were the FBI and Justice Department antiquities 106 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: from the Russian collusion case. Things like they're handling of 107 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: Christopher Steele, they show their handling of another informant named 108 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: Stephan Halper. The final FISA warrant that they gave to 109 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: the court that the Justice Department has withdrawn because it 110 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: was so inaccurate and misleading. Those were in this pile 111 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: of documents. He does sign the order, he orders them released, 112 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: and then the next day, at eleven o'clock lately eleven o'clock, 113 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: one hour before Trump is yielding the presidency, the Justice 114 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: Department comes in and takes the documents from Mark Meadows, 115 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: who sends them over there. They claimed that there were 116 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: some privacy acts stuff they wanted to quickly or redact 117 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: and then they would make them public, and instead they 118 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: held on to them for nineteen months. There's a paper trail. 119 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: It is now document and I put those documents in 120 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: the public so everybody can have some transparency about what happened. 121 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: If they want to see those documents, where would they go? 122 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: Justin news dot com. Just search on National Archives and 123 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: you'll be able to find that story really quickly. The 124 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: headline is something like mystery South Colon Justice Department have 125 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: FBI documents in final hours of front presidency. So that 126 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: story is up there. The documents are inbedded in there. 127 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: There's a little item in all of our stories called 128 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: the dig in Tool. Everything our reporters and I use 129 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: for my journalism gets put in the dig in tool 130 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: so you can check us and have transparency see the documents, 131 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: the interviews, the video of the audio we use. That's 132 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: one of our promises at just the News. And so 133 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: those documents are embedded in the dig in tool in 134 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: the story and everybody could download them and read them 135 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: and make up their own mind. So from that standpoint, 136 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: why do you think, given all the negotiations that have 137 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: been underway, why do you think the FBI suddenly shows 138 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: up with at least thirty agents to basically take apart 139 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: the entire house. My impression is that this was the 140 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: kind of sweeping clean Supposedly, under the Constitution, you're supposed 141 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: to get pretty narrowly drawn warrants that allow you to 142 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: search for specific things. And it's clear that they went 143 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: in there with a vacuum cleaner. Why would you use 144 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: thirty agents? So what do you think was the pressure 145 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: inside the FBI because they had to know this was 146 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: going to be an enormous scandal. Oh yeah, without a doubt. Listen. 147 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: I think it's been a six year running battle between 148 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: the intelligence community and FBI on one side, and Donald 149 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: Trump and his supporters on the other side. And you 150 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: see it whether it's in the pursuit of people on 151 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: administrative criminal cases. I think that what we see in 152 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: public is prop to what was really going on. The 153 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: FBI decided to criminalize a dispute between the National Archives 154 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: and the Trump presidency over some documents the President took 155 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: with him to Marlago. Originally he took them from the 156 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: Oval office up to the residence and then they got 157 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: boxed by the General Services Administration and taking to mar Lago. 158 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: People forget that there was a third party that actually 159 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: shipped them to mar Lago, not the President himself. But 160 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: I think what you see as a criminalization of what 161 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: is normally a civil dispute between a former president and 162 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: the National Archives, and it raises grave concerns. You mentioned 163 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: the breath of the search warrant. Remember what the search 164 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: warrant asked for any document in a box that was 165 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: created between January twentieth, twenty seventeen and January twentieth, twenty 166 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: twenty one. That is an extraordinarily broad description of documents. 167 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: And I interviewed the former intelligence key for the FBI, 168 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: former Assistant Director, Kevin Brock, very well respected by Democrats 169 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: and Republicans alike. He said he had never seen a 170 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: search warrant worded this broadly, that for him, as well 171 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: trained as he was in the FBI's ways and manners, 172 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: that this raised serious Fourth Amendment concerns. And in his mind, 173 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: what he sees is using this criminalization of this dispute 174 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: over records to go fishing. The FBI just go fishing 175 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: and see what they could find at Marlag and see 176 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: if they can make a criminal case against one of 177 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: their long time public enemies. And I think that that's 178 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: the concerns so many Americans have. Now that's why you 179 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: see these polls showing well over a majority of Americans 180 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: think that this was a political attack, not a legitimate 181 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: law enforcement operation that went on at mar Lago Hi. 182 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: This is newt We have serious decisions to make about 183 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: the future of our country. 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No, 197 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: with the exception of one time there was a moment 198 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: where Sandy Burger and I actually broke the story when 199 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: I was at the Associated Press. I was the first 200 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: reporter to write on this. Sandy Burger went to the 201 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: National Archives one day long after the Clinton presidency was over. 202 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: It was after nine to eleven. He was doing some 203 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: research for Bill Clinton on Bill Clinton's connections to al Qaeda, 204 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: what he knew at the time about Alkaida before nine 205 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: to eleven, and he decided he didn't want to come 206 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: back and look at the documents second time, so he 207 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: secret them in his body, in his socks. He put 208 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: him in his pockets. He tried to steal the documents. 209 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: And in that case, by the way, they didn't raid 210 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: Sandy Burger's home, but they did ask for the documents back, 211 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: and they did make him plead to a misdemeanor count 212 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: of theft of documents. But that is someone going in 213 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: after the presidency, not the president himself, but in representative 214 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: of the present, taking the documents, stick him in the 215 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: socks and other pockets and other things, and trying to 216 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: steal the documents from the Archives. A little bit different 217 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: than what we have here with the president. The most 218 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: important thing, he believes that he declassified these documents when 219 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: he removed them from the oval office and took him 220 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: up to the residence while he was still president. That's 221 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: something that the FBI didn't even consider, I believe, before 222 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: they went and rated the president. As I understand that 223 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is indicated that the president, as commander 224 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: in chief, has unchallengeable authority to declassoo anything he wants to. Yep. 225 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: And also the executive believe or not, Barack Obama issued 226 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: an executive order that says that very thing, and that's 227 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: the current executive order in existence. So Barack Obama said, 228 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: all right, everybody else in the government, you have to 229 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: follow the classification process, but the president Vice president, your 230 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: ability is absolute and you can do as you want 231 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: when you wanted to classify. That never got litigated. The 232 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: FBI just sloped in and didn't even consider those sort 233 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: of possibilities, which I think in the long haul are 234 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: going to become a source of the legal battle between 235 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: the Trump presidency and the National Archives. What is the 236 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: distinction between President Trump having documents in his home and 237 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton having over a hundred secret documents on a 238 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: server in her home. The first distinction is that Hillary 239 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: Clinton herself was not an ultimate the classifying authority. She 240 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: would have the ability to classify documents that her State 241 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: Department did, but she did not have the ability to 242 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: classify any other documents. The president is what they call 243 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: an ultimate the classifying authority, So the president has much 244 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: more sweeping power to classify than Hillary Clinton's were kept 245 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: on an insecure server, much easier to penetrate by foreign intelligence. 246 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump kept them in a locked storage area at 247 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: first and the residence and then at Mara Lago with 248 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: the Secret Service protecting it. So there's a difference in 249 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: terms of security. And I think the third thing is 250 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: I believe at the end of the day, the president's arguments, 251 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: because this is what he is said to me on 252 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: the record from his office, is that when I moved 253 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: them from the Oval Office to the residence. I'm sure, 254 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: missus Speaker, you've been in with presidents. Sometimes they have 255 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: a meeting in the Oval Office, a national security officer 256 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: comes in, brings a classified document. They stay with that document. 257 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: It's their job to stay with the document. When the 258 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: president's done, they take the document, they bring it to 259 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: the White House Staff Secretary and it's filed away in 260 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: a safe location. They don't abandon the document. So if 261 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: the President was able to get a national security officer 262 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: to abandon a classified document, he probably told them, I'm 263 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: classifying this to take my work up to the residents. 264 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: You don't have to stick around for it anymore. That's 265 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: what the President is saying on the record, and I 266 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: think that's going to become one of the big issues 267 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: as this moves to the court system. Do you think 268 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: that there was any involvement by the January sixth Committee 269 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: or is that totally a separate track Listen, there are 270 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: three areas that we don't have answers on it. We 271 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: have to keep digging. I think the first as the 272 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: January sixth Committee, did it learn something we know they've 273 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: been making multiple referrals to the Justice Department. Did they 274 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: learn something in the course of intuing people behind closed 275 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: doors that they sent to the Justice Apartment that could 276 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: have augmented the interest of the Justice Department in conducting 277 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: a raid. The second thing we don't know is I mean, 278 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: right now, all we know is that the National Archives 279 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: made the complaint, and that's what the FBI says why 280 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: they opened the investigation. Here's a second thing we do 281 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: not know yet, but we continue to dig what was 282 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: the full extent of the Biden Whitehouse's role in this, 283 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: And keep in mind that in order for a grand 284 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: jury subpoenaed to be executed on June third, in a 285 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: raid to be executed on August eighth, President Trump would 286 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: have had an assumption of executive privilege over many of 287 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: the documents in his possession. Somebody had to waive that 288 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: privilege and is definitely not President Trump. I've confirmed that 289 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: he didn't do any waivers. So we're going to find 290 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: out did the Biden White House play a role in 291 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: waiving privilege having other discussions with the Justice Department That 292 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be 293 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: having contact with the Justice Department over an investigation of 294 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: his chief rival and likely twenty twenty four challenger. Those 295 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: are the sort of questions over the next forty eight 296 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: to seventy two hours we're going to dig into and 297 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: try to get the American public answers. Can a current 298 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: president intervene in that sense and reverse something that had 299 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: been done by the previous president to say these documents 300 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: are no longer privileged? Can Biden do that to Trump? 301 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: Biden has been doing that he did it first with 302 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: the January sixth Committee, and I'm going to assume, based 303 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: on my reporting and the work I've been he probably 304 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: had some role related to this criminal case in doing that. 305 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: It's an untested area. What the laws says is that 306 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: only the sitting president has the ability to claim executive 307 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: public meaning you can claim it why you're in office, 308 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: but you don't get to say a conversation two years 309 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: after I left office as privilege. What's not clear is 310 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: does that privilege still belong for the purpose of the 311 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: history to the president who granted it or who needed it, 312 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: or does it suddenly shift to the current president. Joe 313 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: Biden has taken, as he has in many things with 314 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: big government, an expansive view of his power as the 315 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: current sitting president him and he's at least to classify 316 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: or wave privilege as it relates to January six And 317 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: I think that this is another area where I think 318 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: this could eventually get to the United States Supreme Court, 319 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: much like the executive privilege battles of Richard Nixon in 320 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. But it's an uncertain area law and 321 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: it's interesting to see Joe Biden takes such an expensive 322 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: view of it. So in order he had to assemble 323 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: thirty FBI agents to basically raid mar Largo. How much 324 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: advanced planning would that have taken? Oh, easily days, if 325 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: not a few weeks. You'd have to get the team 326 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: from Washington Field office to come down. You have to 327 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: coordinate with the local field office of the FBI, which 328 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: is in southern Florida. You'd have to go through the process, 329 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: as Mary Garland described, that went all the way up 330 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: to him for approval for this raid. It probably was 331 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: underway three to four weeks, and I would guess the 332 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: decision to raid probably was made honor about June tenth. 333 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: And this is why we know that there was this 334 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: cooperative exchange on June third, twenty two where the president 335 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: grand jury subpoena gave over the documents that were responsive, 336 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: but also said have a look in my place. And 337 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: they actually allowed the FBI agents which was not part 338 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: of the grand jury subpoena, to go down look at 339 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: the locker, a very cooperative sentiment. A couple days later, 340 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: the Justice Department asked for camera footage of the stoatroom 341 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: to see who went in and out. The Trump team 342 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: gave them that, but honor. Around June tenth, the Justice 343 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: Department did something which I think in retrospect was a 344 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: giant signal. They asked the Secret Service and the Trump 345 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: team to put a more important what we call an 346 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: evidentiary lock, a lock that keeps a history of who 347 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: goes in and out and has much greater security than 348 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: the type of locked you buy at the hardware store. 349 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: I think that was a clue as I look back, 350 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: and as I talked to people in the Justice Department, 351 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: that was the Justice Department signal to the Trump team 352 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: that they considered that to be a potential crime scene 353 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: that they might come back. But after that, there's still 354 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: six to eight weeks yap between that and when they 355 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: secured the search warrant and go Remember one of the 356 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: arguments is this is such a grave national security risk. 357 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: I had to go get the documents. If you let 358 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: him sit there for eight weeks, it doesn't seem like 359 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: you have a sense of urgency about what's in the documents. 360 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: There's now a whole fight about producing the alfidavit and 361 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: so forth, But as I read it, there's a real 362 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: likelihood even if they release it, they will be so 363 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: redacted that it won't be nearly as informative as you 364 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: would hope. You've dealt with a lot of these kinds 365 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: of things, what's your gut instinct about that? It is 366 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: very rare for a court during an ongoing investigation to 367 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: release the alfidavit in any form, and if it is released, 368 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: as there's been a few instances over history, it's usually 369 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: so redacted that all you really learn is a little 370 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: bit more about what crimes are being investigated, but not 371 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: who said what. As we know this week, the judge 372 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: followed up on his order from last week and this 373 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: week acknowledge something that I think most Americans would agree 374 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: that his approval of the warrant was extraordinary. It was unprecedented, 375 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: I believe he used in his own words. I think 376 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: the Justice Department probably will appeal this elsewhere and try 377 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: to slow down and delay any discussion about releasing this 378 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: until they can get more investigating done, and they'll just 379 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: use the slow wheels of justice to go through some 380 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: appeals and try to slow this down. Right now, they 381 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: have a deadline of Thursday to provide a redacted version. 382 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: My guess is they may not do that that they 383 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: may just go to a higher court, go to a 384 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: full US district job in Miami, or go to the 385 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: appalate court, go to the Supreme Court, and try to 386 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: trump the sentiments of this magister judge who started the process. 387 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: But I think you're exactly right, mister speaker. I don't 388 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: think we're going to see a lot of information no 389 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: matter what version gets released. But what do you think 390 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: is the likelihood that a higher court actually will be 391 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: more sympathetic to the public's right to know? Yeah, it's 392 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: hard to tell. Right the Southern District of floor, it's 393 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: a little bit more conservative. It tends to be a 394 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: little bit more First Amendment leaning, So there are times 395 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: in the past where we've seen some But this is 396 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: also the district that has never released the black book 397 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: that was gathered by the FBI in the Jeffrey Epstein case. 398 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: So there's a history here of keeping some evidence secret, 399 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 1: particularly sensitive evidence. And I think the odds are slim 400 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: that there will be a significant release. I think the 401 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: odds are good that there will be a marginal release 402 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: of information that will incrementally educate us, but really not 403 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: give us the sort of answers of why the Justice 404 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: Department in the court took this unprecedented historic action and 405 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: probably lead to a whole new set of questions. The challenge, 406 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: and this is what happened to Nixon with the challenge 407 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: for the FBI, is once these things start to unravel, 408 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: each little piece of string leads you to another piece 409 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: of string, and it just never goes away. And they 410 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: are already so tainted by all their behavior over the 411 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: last five or six years that I think that it's 412 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: going to be fascinating to see how this thing goes. 413 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: It amazed me that the raid on Mara logo led 414 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: to the biggest fundraising day in the history of Trump's 415 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: Political Action Committee. I mean, I wonder if the left 416 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: had any notion that actually this has redounded heavily to 417 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: Trump's advantage, at least in terms of winning the nomination. 418 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: There's a Political Morning Consult poll conducted the day after 419 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: the raid. Fifty seven percent of registered voters would back 420 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: Trump if he chose to run, and the presidential primary 421 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: were held that day, which is a four percent increase. 422 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: De Santis dropped from twenty three to seventeen to the 423 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: same poll. I've seen other polls since then. Are you 424 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: a little surprised at the scale of response and the 425 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: degree to which it unified around Trump instead of in 426 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,239 Speaker 1: any way thinking, OG, maybe a better holder, keep our 427 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: powder dry. People said, no, I just don't believe this stuff. 428 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: You know, take Merrik Garland at his word that he 429 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: wasn't thinking about politics when he approved this. He said 430 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: he was thinking about the law. And it's pretty clear 431 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: they didn't think about the political equation because it has 432 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: created that sort of martyr effect that we talk about 433 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: in politics, where someone to be comes more sympathetic. Ause 434 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: you just can't believe the FBI took that heavy handed step. 435 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: And I think in this case, if it turns out 436 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: to be nothing more than a documents dispute that normally 437 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: would be handled through a civil procedure in the Presidential 438 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: Records Act, there could be a significant fallout for the 439 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: Biden administration, for the Justice Department, for the current FBI director, who, 440 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: by the way, Donald Trump appointed Chris Right. If it 441 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: turns out to be serious crimes uncovered, you know, that 442 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: could change public sentiments. But right now, what the public 443 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: is doing this as is a heavy handed response to 444 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: a document dispute, and it doesn't feel American to us. 445 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: And I think also I think the public now has 446 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: a six year runway of judging the battle between the 447 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: FBI and the Justice Department and the Intelligence community and 448 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. They know it's personal. They know that in 449 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: the past that the OJ and the FBI have cheated, 450 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: certainly in the Russia case. They also know that the media, 451 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: which has driven a lot of these hysterical stories, have 452 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: been proven time and again to be wrong. And I 453 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: think they look at this episode in the light of 454 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 1: that longer history, and that's why so many people oppose 455 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: the raid, think it was a political enemies effort, not 456 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: legitimate law enforcement raid, and that's very damning for the 457 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: future of the FBI. Take Donald Trump out of this. Now, 458 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: so many Americans don't believe the FBI he's doing its 459 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: core job. They believe politics is involved. And I think 460 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: that began the day we got their text messages from 461 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: Peter Struck, and it has only continued to grow and grow. 462 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: The FBI has a significant credibility gap with the American 463 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: public well, and it's doubly tragic because you have this 464 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: dramatic rise in murders and carjackings and rapes and robberies. 465 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: It's a time when we actually need the police focused 466 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: on real crime, not admired down in politics. However, the 467 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: conspiratorial side of me believes that the odds are very 468 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: real that they are going to try to indict Trump 469 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: and DC a jurisdiction in which he got to think 470 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: five point six percent of the vote, and they're going 471 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: to try to try him. I don't know that they 472 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: could purple walk him, just because I'm not sure the 473 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: Secret Service would tolerated. But you can imagine mean the 474 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: way the FBI has been dealing with American citizens. When 475 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: I talked with Paul Maniford about his personal interactions with 476 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: the FBI on our podcast this last Sunday, he was 477 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: commenting that, you know, six o'clock in the morning, there's 478 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: Sunday three guys with guns in his bedroom, you know. 479 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: And that pattern has been out there consistently, dealing with 480 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: non violent people who gave no indication of resistance, but 481 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: nonetheless have this overwhelming show of force. Do you think 482 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: it's plausible that they would actually ignore the degree to 483 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: which the country has already got a backlash an attempt 484 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: to indicte President Trump. I do. I think it's a 485 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: very real possibility. I don't think they would have gone 486 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: to this extraordinary step unless they were ready to have 487 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: the full way to the government to bear on this. 488 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: And I think you know it's going to come down 489 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: to the courts to referee this. And one of the 490 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: things that the President Trump's lawyers have been slow to respond. 491 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: It'll be very interesting to see why they've been slow. 492 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: They know something that's going on behind the scenes. But 493 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: there are all sorts of things that the President still 494 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: hasn't exercise that he could do. He could do a 495 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: show cause airing and ask why it was disapproved and 496 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: have a judge review the Maju state's decision making. He 497 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: could ask for a special Master, and I think that's 498 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: going to happen, a court appointed official who goes to 499 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: and decides what's privileged or not, especially since we learned 500 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: the FBI took the president's former passports, which by the way, 501 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: don't match any description in the search wards, so now 502 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: you have evidence of overcollection. But I think anyone on 503 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: the criminal defense side offending the president, they understand that 504 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: there is a real risk that this Justice Department may 505 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: do whatever it chooses, and that includes up to indictment, 506 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: and that it needs to be taken seriously, it needs 507 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: to be litigated through the courts, perhaps all the way 508 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: up to the Supreme Court. Don't you think that there 509 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: would be a real explosion in the country at the 510 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: sight of President Trump being arrested. We've never seen it, right, 511 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: so it would be unprecedented. That's an overused word in journalism. 512 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, this country is already torn at the scenes. 513 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: It is tired of the US and them battle. It's 514 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: tired of the economy. It's tired of the dishonesty that's 515 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: been exhibited by the FBI. By the way, not justin 516 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's cases. Take a look at the Whitner case 517 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: in Michigan, where really troubling and trapman issues have been raised, 518 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: or how the FBI dropped the ball and allowed all 519 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: those young women who are Olympians to be sexually assaulted. 520 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: The FBI has a long record of failures in recent memory, 521 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: and I think we're exhausted by that record. We want 522 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: to see the FBI do a better job. And I 523 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: think if that next step has taken, all that history 524 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: is going to infuse public sentiments. And that's why I 525 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: hope that what we see is a peaceful effort through 526 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: the courts to litigate this and keep this from getting 527 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: to that point unless it's absolutely necessary. Well, man, Victor 528 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: Davis Henson, who's I think one of the smartest and 529 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: most thoughtful historians we have, has written very tough things 530 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: about the FBI and basically has called for breaking it 531 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: up and said you can't fix it and form. The 532 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: elites don't understand that the country now loathes them, and 533 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: that no matter what they did to Trump, he's not them. 534 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: And so people just say, I don't care what you 535 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: tell me about him, He's not you, and I despise you. 536 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: They can't come to grips of the fact that at 537 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: least half the country now and I just saw a 538 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: piece in the last twenty four hours. I think it's 539 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: the NBC News poll that says that Biden now is 540 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: the most unpopular president in the last eighty years. Yeah, yeah, 541 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: there's some really big warning science did the elite. I 542 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: was gonna say, there's a point here where you can't 543 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: govern against a free people. You have to govern. This 544 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: is why Lincoln said government of the people, by the people, 545 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: and for the people, because that's the whole point of 546 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: the Civil War. And I think these guys are running 547 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: a real risk that their ideological fervor is almost a 548 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: quasi religion, is leading them to try to push the 549 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: country further than it's pushable. I think it's weird. There 550 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: are three incredible polling numbers, and mister speaker, that you've 551 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: caught one of them, which is the least popular president 552 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: eighty years. The second is a five point plus margin 553 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: in the generic preference poll for Republicans over Democrats. I 554 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: don't think you and I have ever seen that in 555 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: our lifetime, with Republicans so far ahead in the generic poles. 556 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: Then I think the third one, when you have seventy 557 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: five to eighty percent of Americans saying all at one time, Democrat, independent, Republican, 558 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: this country is headed into the wrong direction, is you 559 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: point out there are very few things that people agree 560 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 1: eighty percent of the time on. I think the Biden 561 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: presidency has hit a deep nerve in the American body, 562 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: and it's probably going to pay a deer price in 563 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: the fall election. Well, and it may turn out to be. 564 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: One of Trump's greatest contributions to changing American history is 565 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: having so aroused the fervor of the hard left that 566 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: they came out in the open and began to prove 567 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: to all of us that they're crazy. It's truly a 568 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: bizarre boomerang from anything you could have expected, at least 569 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: I would have expected. Well, I want to thank you 570 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: for joining me, and I do encourage everybody listening, not 571 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: just to follow the reporting on the FBI's rate and 572 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: mar Lago at just the News dot com, but you 573 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: ought to sign up to it because there's no single report. 574 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: I get every morning, and I think you must file it, 575 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: like at three or four in the morning. I wake 576 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: up every day and you're right there already, and I 577 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: find that out of eight or nine items, you'll have 578 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: three or four. Just knock my socks off and I 579 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: have to go look at him, and I then try 580 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: to tweet a number of them. So I really encourage people. 581 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: John is a great professionally as enormous Carregi's great organizer, 582 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: and just thenews dot com is an important place and 583 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: we're going to have it on our show page. Thank you, sir, 584 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: have a good day. Thank you to my guest, John Solomon. 585 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: You can learn more about the FBI's rate and mar 586 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: Largo on our show page at newtworld dot com. New 587 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: twelve is produced by Gingwi Sweet sixty and iHeartMedia. 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