Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I heard radio podcast.
Speaker 1: Are we ready for an awesome show? Oh yeah? I
Speaker 1: just love the Oh yeah. It's like like not excited
Speaker 1: at all. You're like, I'm so excited, and I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: This is my excited voice. Um, well, we're gonna need
Speaker 1: you to to get a little bit more excited. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: this is you know, it's it's an animation, right, Like
Speaker 1: you gotta like, we gotta be excited about this because
Speaker 1: I you know, and I need that. I need a
Speaker 1: little I like I need a I'm so excited. That's
Speaker 1: so much better. Okay. How do you deal with confrontation?
Speaker 1: How do I deal with confrontation? It depends. Um, I
Speaker 1: like to I don't mind. I don't shy away from confrontation.
Speaker 1: You're actually really good with confrontation. I try to be.
Speaker 1: I try to sit back and wait a minute, because
Speaker 1: my initial reaction kind of like what Chelsea said last week,
Speaker 1: is to kind of go. But I try to wait
Speaker 1: a minute and breathe. But I don't shy away from it.
Speaker 1: I was listening to another podcast earlier, and um, they
Speaker 1: were talking about confrontation. And I know I've said before
Speaker 1: like I would rather move to a different country than
Speaker 1: I have conversation. But I was thinking about it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, that was very like twenties Joanna, where
Speaker 1: I feel like thirties, late thirties Joanna is UM like
Speaker 1: I like and I don't like it. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like i'd like confrontation, but I because I you know,
Speaker 1: I had to do something the other day where I
Speaker 1: wanted to puke um with a semi confrontation, and I
Speaker 1: normally would have just been like, no, like it's fine,
Speaker 1: But I feel like when you get older, that stuff
Speaker 1: is just like what it has to happen. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you've gotten better at it, for sure. I think
Speaker 1: you just have to. I think it depends on the
Speaker 1: situation obviously, but how you're going to handle it. Like,
Speaker 1: I think as you get older, you realize to handle
Speaker 1: it more as an adult and think through what you're
Speaker 1: gonna say and not just spout off and just and
Speaker 1: I think you've done a good job with that. I
Speaker 1: was just thinking about that because I'm like, I used
Speaker 1: to hate confrontation, and now it's I'm too old to
Speaker 1: have to play the games anymore, you know. Um. Speaking
Speaker 1: of confrontation, not not confrontation, but I was I don't know.
Speaker 1: We had like a girl's night a few days ago
Speaker 1: and Pamelan was like she basically said that I am
Speaker 1: Valume Janna, Vale value you, and Valium is so funny.
Speaker 1: Like she was like, post divorce Janna is Valume Janna.
Speaker 1: And just a little backstory. When I got my boobs done,
Speaker 1: the only thing that gave me a little, like a
Speaker 1: little comfort because my chest was so tight and so
Speaker 1: the valume just like made me relax a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then the muscles, but it made me loopy as fuck.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was so loopy, but I was just
Speaker 1: like we went over to our house for Easter and
Speaker 1: I was like three days post boob job, and I'm
Speaker 1: just strutting over there with like my PJ tap and
Speaker 1: you know, a skirt, and they were like something like
Speaker 1: Jolie was playing. I was like, Okay, it's fine, here's
Speaker 1: the deal. It's not a bad thing. But generally you
Speaker 1: are kind of the get in, kind of one of
Speaker 1: the first to leave. Not a bad way, not in
Speaker 1: a bad way, but like the kids have something to do,
Speaker 1: it's dinner time, it's bedtime, it's it's something maybe I
Speaker 1: just don't want to be there or that it doesn't
Speaker 1: say it's something you just don't know. But there that day,
Speaker 1: I was like, you got up for a second and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, are you leaving? And You're like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm good. That's like what I'm like, No, I'm great.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go check out the cheese spread. But
Speaker 1: apparently is that me post divorce now? Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this the other day when we were
Speaker 1: in where were we were in Virginia And by the way,
Speaker 1: I haven't taken a volume since day nine of Boop Jobs.
Speaker 1: So like it's just mean, it's not that you're just
Speaker 1: on yeah, um when we're in Virginia beach, like you're
Speaker 1: just so much lighter, so much lighter. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, Like yeah different, I mean you're still Janna,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, it's kind of like your like them
Speaker 1: all the time. You mean, like when I broke out
Speaker 1: in a dance party, yes, it was great, but just
Speaker 1: in general, like we had a little bit of a
Speaker 1: stressful situation, not knowing if we were gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get home or not because of Ida, and we
Speaker 1: were coming up with all the options and even I
Speaker 1: felt like the devil was broad a lady. I was like,
Speaker 1: get me home. I was like, it's just a little
Speaker 1: it's a little sprinkle, and it's like but amongst that,
Speaker 1: you were still so light. Yeah. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I was like, Sudya want me to do this? And
Speaker 1: You're like anyway, you were just you were much lighter. Wow,
Speaker 1: Valium Janice fun I mean, I have a natural value
Speaker 1: in me. Now, hey, I'm really excited because we have
Speaker 1: Derrek Kuff coming on the show. He has a new
Speaker 1: show that he's debuting in Vegas called The No Limits
Speaker 1: Tour at the Venetian Um, which I'm excited to talk
Speaker 1: to him about. Also, he is UM. He's he's partnered
Speaker 1: with m P and because they're sponsoring UM basically to
Speaker 1: help people make a difference for people with disabilities. They're
Speaker 1: actually even donating hundred thousand dollars to the Agatos Foundation
Speaker 1: to help drive even more equality in sports and beyond
Speaker 1: for people's disabilities. So I love that. Excited talked to
Speaker 1: him about it UM and then talk a little Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars. So, uh, let's stay a break and
Speaker 1: we'll get him on. Hello, Derek, how are you ladies?
Speaker 1: Doing you guys? Good? Um? Good? How are you? I'm
Speaker 1: very good. I feel like it's been it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a minute since I've seen you. I mean I
Speaker 1: came back to Stars of one of the times. But
Speaker 1: I mean you're just like you're up there judge and
Speaker 1: doing your doing your thing, you know which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I would have been so nervous if you were the judge.
Speaker 1: I don't know what, yeah, because I mean, i mean,
Speaker 1: obviously Lenn is terrifying, and you know your sister she was,
Speaker 1: she was she was sweet. She was hard on me,
Speaker 1: but she was sweet. And then carry in like just
Speaker 1: you know, Ball and then Bruno like so fun. So
Speaker 1: but like with you, I would have been I actually
Speaker 1: am kind of happy that you were. You weren't a judge,
Speaker 1: you were just one of the dancing pros because like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like, I mean, you're really nice,
Speaker 1: but also you're an amazing dancer. So it's just it's
Speaker 1: I would have been very intimidated. Let's say, well, I'm
Speaker 1: sure I'm sure it would have been great. You were fantastic,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure I would have nothing about great things
Speaker 1: to say, So I mean, you're so sweet. Do you
Speaker 1: do you like being on that side of the things,
Speaker 1: at the table rather than on the dance floor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it. It's it's definitely a lot easier, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. Um. It's always crashing up and people say
Speaker 1: what's harder, judging or dancing? Like what I was like, Um, dancing,
Speaker 1: of course is harder. But no, I really enjoyed I think,
Speaker 1: you know, being on the show for seventeen seasons. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I really I did that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was. There's all different
Speaker 1: experiences and triumphs and failures and all the things I
Speaker 1: could have possibly thought of. Um, And so being on
Speaker 1: this side of it, Uh, my desire is I really
Speaker 1: really genuinely want to like help and give some sort
Speaker 1: of critique that is helpful. However, I will say, it's
Speaker 1: a lot harder. You know, when I was judging on
Speaker 1: a World of Dance, um, which by the way, I
Speaker 1: loved that show so good. Oh me too, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: me too. And it was so it was tape so
Speaker 1: we could like ramble on and we could just go
Speaker 1: off and just go on and on and on and on. Um.
Speaker 1: And if you forgot to say something. Hold on, let
Speaker 1: me say something. Were fast, Whereas on Tanta the Stars
Speaker 1: is live and it's like you know, once you once
Speaker 1: the time is up, like that's it, Like you have
Speaker 1: nothing to say. So there's times like Bruno will like
Speaker 1: go on one of his rants and and there's no
Speaker 1: time left. So it's like Derek of like, it was
Speaker 1: a good job, it was great. I don't know, thanks
Speaker 1: a lot um but uh but but obviously being a
Speaker 1: coach and have been a teacher, you know, I really
Speaker 1: want to like give an actual note that I really
Speaker 1: believe will like help elevate them the next week, not
Speaker 1: just generalize it and be like, yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1: You need to be better, you know. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: work on this specific specific thing, focused on this this week,
Speaker 1: and I really feel like it will elevate um, you know,
Speaker 1: your routine the next week. And so yeah, I try,
Speaker 1: I try as I can in the short amount of
Speaker 1: time I have. Especially this season is Lenn Goodman's back,
Speaker 1: and so that was before of us up there sould
Speaker 1: be interesting. Is there one celebrity that you were kind
Speaker 1: of like is not disappointed him, but in a in
Speaker 1: a roundabout way, like I wish you could have like
Speaker 1: they would have been so good if they just let go,
Speaker 1: or I mean, I'm sure that's probably a lot of them,
Speaker 1: but is there one that you're like, they had such
Speaker 1: potential but kind of got in their own way? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I feel like, I don't know. Actually
Speaker 1: it's tough. I definitely looked back at my my approach
Speaker 1: to the show, like in my earlier seasons, I was,
Speaker 1: you know, nervous, you know, and I was uncertain. I
Speaker 1: was kind of like kind of faking it to be
Speaker 1: honest with you. You know. I wasn't really like a
Speaker 1: teacher or things like that, or choreographer, you know when
Speaker 1: people used to say like, oh yeah, a good chroographer,
Speaker 1: Like I never even looked at myself in that way. Um,
Speaker 1: And that made me fearful and afraid, so that I
Speaker 1: definitely would get uh more frustrated, easier in my earlier
Speaker 1: seasons and stuff. So for me, it's not so much
Speaker 1: I look back at one of my partners like I
Speaker 1: wish they would have just let go. I look back
Speaker 1: an some my earlier seasons thinking like, man, I wish
Speaker 1: I knew then what I know now and what I
Speaker 1: what I how I shifted my sort of approach and
Speaker 1: teaching and coaching, um, and I probably could have got
Speaker 1: more out of them with a better teaching approach, which
Speaker 1: I eventually you know, learned and created and um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's not so much on them more of myself.
Speaker 1: I wish I was better early on and I could
Speaker 1: have given them a better chance and a better experience.
Speaker 1: For sure. I also feel like to um, that's that's
Speaker 1: such a good thing in general with life because it's
Speaker 1: like I can look back and be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: wish I would have you know, had more fun, or
Speaker 1: I wish I would have you know, done this differently,
Speaker 1: And it's it's not regrets. It's just something that okay,
Speaker 1: now like you can when you met with a different um,
Speaker 1: you know, doing doing the show now, like you can
Speaker 1: have different ways to look at it. Because I mean, shoot,
Speaker 1: I would love to go back and redo that season
Speaker 1: because of all the things that I like, help back
Speaker 1: on or wish that I didn't wasn't so in my
Speaker 1: head about or just believed in myself a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But I think that's just like a something we do
Speaker 1: and just in life too. Sure, Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think with when Uh, it's different for you as well,
Speaker 1: because you know, at least for me, I go have
Speaker 1: multiple seasons to make adjustments and I have I'm back
Speaker 1: back the next season or the next season, and I'm like, wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to be better in this situation. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to appreciate this more. I'm gonna try to, um,
Speaker 1: you know, strategized differently. And and so I can see how,
Speaker 1: you know, being on the show as a celebrity and
Speaker 1: having one season, you might think like I want another
Speaker 1: go at that, Like I on one another round, you know,
Speaker 1: give me another round, and um, but you were you
Speaker 1: were awesome, You're fantastic and like and they still and
Speaker 1: they still bring up it's like one of the most
Speaker 1: classic moments. They still bring up that rain shower. That's
Speaker 1: that's like that's up there in the top in the
Speaker 1: top realms of like that happened, and that happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that was that was a very sexy dance.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I'm like, there was just a few
Speaker 1: things in that dance. I'm like, I can't believe they
Speaker 1: heard that, Like when it says give me a taste
Speaker 1: and he literally listening me up in my like his
Speaker 1: faces in my vagina. I'm like that he wanted more
Speaker 1: than that. It started off even crazier. I know. You
Speaker 1: guys come up with some like raunchy choreography, dre Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, that's that's that's more of a
Speaker 1: glob thing. I'm not. It's a Russian thing. It's a
Speaker 1: Russian the Yeah, I'm just I was. I wasn't too runchy.
Speaker 1: I was. I was even like when I did a
Speaker 1: rum business stuff like that. For me personally, my you know,
Speaker 1: the banks of love, um my approach usually was somebody
Speaker 1: danced with like Sean Johnson or something like that. You know,
Speaker 1: So for me it was more like it was like
Speaker 1: a sweet love not at Grayla. Yeah. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we definitely went fifty on that one. Okay, speaking of okay, fine,
Speaker 1: you're right um with speaking of love though, So you've
Speaker 1: been dating how many years? Because you guys started dating
Speaker 1: when on my season? Right, like so four five years ago?
Speaker 1: Six years now? Yeah a minute, okay, So I just
Speaker 1: have to like I have to ask where, like when's
Speaker 1: when's the ring coming? Like when when are we getting when?
Speaker 1: Like if I was hurt. I'd be like, Derek, what
Speaker 1: the like it's sixty years? No, seriously though, I mean like,
Speaker 1: you know, girls, and she wants a baby and you
Speaker 1: know we don't get any younger. And I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to rush you, but six years, it's like, what the
Speaker 1: heck are like what are you waiting for? Like after
Speaker 1: six years? Like you should know? Right? Sure? Absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think um and I think so for so what
Speaker 1: you don't you know and when people don't see obviously,
Speaker 1: are you know? Is the relationship you know? Is? Is?
Speaker 1: Are the different um what do you want to call it?
Speaker 1: Um phases if you will, the phases, different things, seasons
Speaker 1: and relationship, all these different things. And so even though
Speaker 1: we've been together for six years, like like, we've had
Speaker 1: multiple relationships with each other, you know, Esther Parrell, she
Speaker 1: says that she hasn't great she's my she's my girl, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, she's phenomenal. And one thing that she says,
Speaker 1: she goes, you know, there's you might have. Everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: have multiple relationships in their lifetime. The question is it
Speaker 1: going to be with the same person or is it
Speaker 1: going to be other people? And I feel that's how
Speaker 1: I feel like our relationship has been We've had our
Speaker 1: relationship is vastly We've gone through like four different versions
Speaker 1: of our relationship over those years. And it's and I
Speaker 1: will say for sure now like it is like you know,
Speaker 1: this past couple of years, it's been like this is
Speaker 1: this is it? You know? And so um yeah, so
Speaker 1: when it comes when it comes to the everything else
Speaker 1: that comes around that, but you know it, I can
Speaker 1: see he can't he can't say it, but he has
Speaker 1: the ring. I know it. He has a thing out
Speaker 1: and he can't look at I can tell. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I can tell, I can tell. I'm a girl. I
Speaker 1: totally conduct. It's all right. And by the way, you know,
Speaker 1: what's it's funny actually is that people like like, oh
Speaker 1: does that just said? And I'm like no, honestly, like
Speaker 1: it's it doesn't bother me at all when people ask
Speaker 1: or that. And I don't feel pressured at all, like
Speaker 1: hearing it a lot. It's it's has she pressured you
Speaker 1: at all? No? No, not at all, not at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's all of and uh. We have our little
Speaker 1: family of you know, of dogs and cats, and it's
Speaker 1: just it's wonderful and and you know, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you as well, you know, I built a house
Speaker 1: and we've been enough for about a year and a
Speaker 1: half maybe two years now. Um, but before that, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like living with my sister like it was
Speaker 1: you know why it was it was you know, there
Speaker 1: was there was no sort of like um foundation or
Speaker 1: you know that that wasn't even on that that wasn't
Speaker 1: even in the conversation because there's no way for it
Speaker 1: to be. So uh yeah, all good things. But you're
Speaker 1: happy and she's doing and what's great too is that
Speaker 1: she's gonna be dancing with me on my show in Vegas. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I was just gonna ask you about if
Speaker 1: she was going to be on the road with you.
Speaker 1: Have you guys done that before, like been on the
Speaker 1: road together when we met. That's how we met was
Speaker 1: on tour. We met on tour. Actually our first kiss
Speaker 1: was on stage during a dance, during a rumba um
Speaker 1: and in front of a whole audience. And actually we
Speaker 1: had that footage and it's kind of funny, we actually
Speaker 1: recreated that same dance like a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1: It's actually on our YouTube channel and it's kind of
Speaker 1: put him side by side. And um, so yeah, we
Speaker 1: actually met on too. Uh, but this is different. This
Speaker 1: is very very different obviously. Um, and yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 1: about it. We've been practicing, we've been you know well,
Speaker 1: and that's it was so funny too, is you know,
Speaker 1: we were staying in a life where you know, you
Speaker 1: could go on tour and be away from each other
Speaker 1: for months at a time and it was totally normal.
Speaker 1: As a performer, You're like, yeah, cool, Like we haven't
Speaker 1: seen each other in two months, that's fine, normal, And
Speaker 1: now I'm in the time of my life. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to be away
Speaker 1: from you for longer than you know, a week. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I needed a trip in Washington for the
Speaker 1: Candy Honors, and I was gone for a week, and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, let's not do that. Let's not
Speaker 1: do that anymore, like, let's let's travel with each other.
Speaker 1: Was do with each other as much as we can,
Speaker 1: and I love that. I feel like after two weeks
Speaker 1: is when it starts to get there, starts to be
Speaker 1: that just kind of that tension or that the drift,
Speaker 1: and I don't I think it's important to to you know,
Speaker 1: nurture that relationship and to be like hey, if it's
Speaker 1: a week for you guys like that, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is it doesn't I don't like this. And it's
Speaker 1: good that you said that. Quarantine helped a lot because
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, we uh just really just
Speaker 1: we just we just you know, fell more in love.
Speaker 1: So it was good. Okay, So the residency, You're going
Speaker 1: to Vegas, the Venetian Um. What what's different about this show? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean the biggest difference for me at least is, uh,
Speaker 1: it's in one place because I'm just as touring, so
Speaker 1: it's always like wake up, different venue, different stage, um,
Speaker 1: which I love. By the way, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: tour again. I love touring. But what's exciting about this
Speaker 1: one is it's again it's like live band, live music.
Speaker 1: We have the most incredible dancers, all start cast dancers.
Speaker 1: In fact, one of the dancers I've just hired he
Speaker 1: won the last season of Dancing with the Sorry of
Speaker 1: World of Dance with two other girls called MDC three
Speaker 1: and he is mind blowing. So um, it's it's an
Speaker 1: incredible cast. Honestly, I feel like it's I don't want
Speaker 1: to say the best dance show in Vegas. I think
Speaker 1: I'm mean I'm gonna I'm gonna go out there and
Speaker 1: say that, man, because I I really believe in the
Speaker 1: just the performance and these dancers and what we will.
Speaker 1: We have, the content we have, the costumes are amazing
Speaker 1: and beautiful fool and uh, it's gonna be good. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're the most awarded choreographer. I mean you have.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's insane. So if if I was
Speaker 1: to put a lineup, like, yeah, I would, I would
Speaker 1: definitely be like, Yep, that's the show I'm going to
Speaker 1: go see. I mean, the chippen Dales is kind of exciting.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like, I'm sure you're going
Speaker 1: to take your shirt off with the ladies too, So
Speaker 1: like there might be a few flashes, a few things
Speaker 1: here and there, is there is there one? Um like
Speaker 1: how long have you been even like prepping this? Well,
Speaker 1: originally I was supposed to be in Vegas last year,
Speaker 1: but obviously promis reasons. Um, so it's been on my
Speaker 1: mind for over a year. Uh. But it's funny because
Speaker 1: you know you think, like, oh, we got all this
Speaker 1: time in the world and um, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you're like, Oh, we're going to rehearse on
Speaker 1: the stage in three days, which is true. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be on stage on Monday, on the stage rehearsing for it. Um. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm it's it's been there for a while, but
Speaker 1: I'm excited about it. It's it's gonna be good. But
Speaker 1: I will say there's there's also that excitement of like
Speaker 1: it's like and I am, I is my body ready
Speaker 1: for this rehearsing And I'm like, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: like not oiling it up like externally internally, you know,
Speaker 1: all my joints of the things, like there will be
Speaker 1: some oil maybe maybe. I'm sure the girls will appreciate
Speaker 1: that slipping off, slipping off my body while we're trying
Speaker 1: to dance. Um. But yeah, it's gonna be good. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm so excited for you. I think that's. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna check out the dates and I'm
Speaker 1: going to come to a show because we're actually going
Speaker 1: to be in Vegas in September, but I think you
Speaker 1: don't start until it's October. Is that when it starts
Speaker 1: September two, September two until November one, and I'll be
Speaker 1: you know, flying back and forth doing yance with stars
Speaker 1: and the show and they'll be fun. Man, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be good. You're taking over the world. What is your
Speaker 1: best now that I'm back out in the dating world,
Speaker 1: what is your best of dating advice for me? My
Speaker 1: best advice? Oh goodness, Oh boy, you know me, and
Speaker 1: you know we've spent time together, and I see, well,
Speaker 1: you know how I want to say this. You don't
Speaker 1: have to, you don't I actually, I actually was gonna
Speaker 1: say this because I think it's different for you. I
Speaker 1: think I guess I don't know necessarily like the history
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But I always say, um, you know, my
Speaker 1: friend was like a he's like a serial data. Right.
Speaker 1: It was like going to compare here there and nothing
Speaker 1: really stuck, and I just almost I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: just kind of be like to come be on your
Speaker 1: own for a minute, you know, um, get just get
Speaker 1: the appetite, you know, for the for the main course,
Speaker 1: if you will, um. Because he was kind of having
Speaker 1: these little appetizing relationships, you know, where it was like okay,
Speaker 1: but and so you were kind of you know, when
Speaker 1: you eat kind of like you know, you kind of
Speaker 1: have you're almost like not ready for the main course
Speaker 1: because you've already like over appetized essentially too many chips.
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go. Oh, I'm salivating right now by
Speaker 1: the bad so bad. So that that was just something
Speaker 1: I said to him actually, um a while ago, and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and it seemed to it seemed to be
Speaker 1: a helpful advice. And my problem is is I I
Speaker 1: skipped the appetizer, of course, and I go straight to
Speaker 1: the main dish because I want the main dish. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: but that's good. I need to eat more of the
Speaker 1: spinach deaf and then and then cut into my steak.
Speaker 1: Now I'm really freaking hungry. You've been shooting a movie
Speaker 1: with Marie Minos, right, I am obsessed with her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we bet she is like incredible. Um yeah, we just
Speaker 1: we wrapped it about a month ago, and she played
Speaker 1: my best friend in the movie. And I just saw
Speaker 1: an edit of the film and it's she does so
Speaker 1: like she's so good in it. So I love her.
Speaker 1: She's she's just been uh such a just blessing, you know,
Speaker 1: in my life and in so many people's lives and
Speaker 1: she's she's a forest man. She's got incredible energy. So
Speaker 1: I saw you guys. I saw you guys together and
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, hey, I know I love it.
Speaker 1: That made me happy to see you have what's what's
Speaker 1: the equal to podcast? Equals to podcast? So it's a
Speaker 1: it's a six part series UM that you can find
Speaker 1: on any different you know podcast UH platforms UM that
Speaker 1: focuses on UM. You know, paralympians and Paralympics and you know,
Speaker 1: people with equal rights for you know, people with disabilities
Speaker 1: and UM. The reason why I got so interested in
Speaker 1: that UM is because, uh, I danced with Amy Pretty.
Speaker 1: You know Amy Pretty, who was a paralympian. She had
Speaker 1: too prosthetic legs and we you know, I was actually
Speaker 1: teaching her in Sochi, Russia, while she was competing in
Speaker 1: the Olympics. I was teaching her and chat out of
Speaker 1: the morning and then she would go compete. I was
Speaker 1: it was, I was like, are you sure we don't
Speaker 1: need to do this right now? You have to focus
Speaker 1: on what you're doing, and she was like, no, I
Speaker 1: don't know. So for me, I always found it so UM.
Speaker 1: It was so inspiring. Obviously and I just she's such
Speaker 1: an incredible woman, and she really embodied that expression, UM,
Speaker 1: what if? What if life isn't happening to you, it's
Speaker 1: happening for you? You know, we're always like why did
Speaker 1: this happen to me? Why always met instead of like, well,
Speaker 1: why did this happen for me? How can I turn
Speaker 1: this into a gift? How can I turn this into
Speaker 1: something that is going to you know, serve others as well?
Speaker 1: And she really really embodies that. So this podcast is
Speaker 1: all about, you know, celebrating telling stories and also talking
Speaker 1: about you know, conversations that um are just kind of
Speaker 1: normalizing and also educating people in that in that world
Speaker 1: with people with disabilities. So that you're doing that, that's awesome, Derek.
Speaker 1: You're incredible and I appreciate you, and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see your show in Vegas and hopefully i'll see you.
Speaker 1: I'll pop by maybe for a taping. If they are
Speaker 1: they going to have uh audience members, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know yet. They haven't told us. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm keeping I want to know too, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like there's like you have to like that was
Speaker 1: the part that made me the most nervous, but it
Speaker 1: also gave me the most energy too. Like I know
Speaker 1: people at home we're watching, but it's just something about
Speaker 1: having people watching there. I don't know, whole different elements.
Speaker 1: Last season, we didn't have an audience, and I was
Speaker 1: concerned that the energy wouldn't be there. But between the crew, camera,
Speaker 1: other competitors, everybody kind of like compensated for that. They
Speaker 1: were like extra loud, and it just it felt pretty good.
Speaker 1: It felt like the energy was there. But listen, I
Speaker 1: that's why I'm going to Vegas. That's why I love
Speaker 1: going towards There's nothing like that, uh, performer audience relationship.
Speaker 1: It's just that, like it's an amazing experience to share
Speaker 1: with one another. So I love it all right, Derek,
Speaker 1: go up, go go dance away. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting something that he said in there
Speaker 1: was life isn't you know? It's not happening to you,
Speaker 1: it's for you. And I was reading I've been reading
Speaker 1: this book called The Surrender Experiment, and it's so great.
Speaker 1: He was basically saying, like how he just surrendered his
Speaker 1: life to the moment and he wanted It's silly um scenario,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's about like having gratitude and
Speaker 1: being positive. But he's like, it's raining. You know, it's raining,
Speaker 1: and most of it like I can go through it's
Speaker 1: raining or whatever, and it's like, okay, it's raining, Like
Speaker 1: this is so beautiful, it's going to help my grass,
Speaker 1: or like what can I do inside today that I
Speaker 1: would normally not be able to do, or like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch a movie or so it's just like finding
Speaker 1: the positive for in this. Okay, why is this happening
Speaker 1: not to me but for me? I love that it's
Speaker 1: so good, And I think that's sometimes easy in the
Speaker 1: smaller things, but hard and the bigger things, I mean
Speaker 1: so hard. That's why last weekend when I was like
Speaker 1: bawling my eyes out, because it's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: have those moments where you're just like, I get that
Speaker 1: it's not happening to me, it's for me. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, it's not easy. In the silence that
Speaker 1: can't be I mean, that's not easy. So you just
Speaker 1: have to take it one day at a time. But
Speaker 1: you know what I told you in the car today
Speaker 1: because we were having a conversation and I was talking
Speaker 1: to her about you know, um, a few conversations about Mike,
Speaker 1: and you said, which part, like, your guys are really good? Oh? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I've been impressed y'all. Are it seemed to be really
Speaker 1: good getting along? We call parenting. Well, yeah, we're we're
Speaker 1: co parenting, you know. Well, and um, you know we
Speaker 1: have conversations every once in a while. And she's like,
Speaker 1: you said you were proud of me. Oh, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of you. I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of conversations in the car. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. You've done a really, really,
Speaker 1: really great job. I think you have. Oh I know
Speaker 1: what we are to now, I remember. Anyways, Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: very proud of you. You have done a good job,
Speaker 1: and you've put things aside, and I think you've just
Speaker 1: decided to you know, it's more important to get along
Speaker 1: and be happy. And well, you know what I said,
Speaker 1: as I said, um, what would the Kardashians do? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I love that because it's so true, because
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you look at Tristan and Chloe
Speaker 1: and again this is the most probably stupidest example ever,
Speaker 1: but they just seem so forgiving. Yes, it's like once
Speaker 1: they're part of your family, always a part of their family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Chloe. Yeah, like Scott Jeez, who are like somehow
Speaker 1: still I just love Scott to sick. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I like. I don't know. I don't like the
Speaker 1: lot late, like the latest thing that he did, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I still like them. But um, when
Speaker 1: it comes to you know, I just saw, like Chloe
Speaker 1: interest in taking their little one to you know, gymnastics
Speaker 1: or dance or whatever. And it's like to be able
Speaker 1: to look outside and say, Okay, did Mike hurt me? Yes?
Speaker 1: Did do I like what happened? No? Um do? I
Speaker 1: still get upset and I'm sad, absolutely like I have
Speaker 1: major cry facets in my house when it's silent, and
Speaker 1: but I'm also trying to flip the switch. Okay, how
Speaker 1: is this not happening for me? It's not happening to me,
Speaker 1: even though it feels like it is. Um and I
Speaker 1: still don't feel like I've gotten that one apology that
Speaker 1: I feel like I deserve. But at some point it's
Speaker 1: just like you just have to let it go and
Speaker 1: be like Okay, this energy like holding onto all this
Speaker 1: stuff is and I'm not going to get the milk
Speaker 1: at home deep, or I'm not gonna get what I
Speaker 1: want home deep, Like I keep going to home deep
Speaker 1: I and getting it. Like my therapist said, so it's
Speaker 1: just so he come up comes to a point where
Speaker 1: you're just like okay, like it's you have to just
Speaker 1: not move on, but just be like this is this
Speaker 1: is just who he is, and I there's no point
Speaker 1: in having this resentment, even though yes there are times
Speaker 1: when I'm so upset and angry at the situation and
Speaker 1: what happened, But at the end of the day, nothing
Speaker 1: can change. We're not getting back together, and it's just
Speaker 1: hurting you. Yeah, you know, you have to let it
Speaker 1: go for you, not for him. You have to be
Speaker 1: able to you know, it's not going to change how
Speaker 1: he feels. It's not going to change anything other than
Speaker 1: how you feel. So you know, now, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be hard at times. And maybe you're
Speaker 1: not ready to go vacation like Scott and Courtney with
Speaker 1: the family, but that doesn't mean he can't get there
Speaker 1: eventually or figure out what you're normal is. And I
Speaker 1: think you know, and hopefully we're on the path because once,
Speaker 1: because once I let it go, like okay, that I'm
Speaker 1: never going to get the apology that I think I deserve,
Speaker 1: and also knowing that I can't change my reality, and
Speaker 1: also knowing that it what what. His actions weren't directed
Speaker 1: towards me, even though it felt very personal, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm still angry that his actions lead to the divorce,
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we are here
Speaker 1: and this is what it is. And now I'd rather
Speaker 1: be friends with him than hate him. It's easier to
Speaker 1: be friends with him than hate him, because hating him
Speaker 1: just feels bad and it's just bad for you. Again,
Speaker 1: it just comes back to it's just gonna eat you up,
Speaker 1: and what is it? What's it going to get you?
Speaker 1: And I'm going to do what would Chloe do? Chloe
Speaker 1: would go to So I'm like, you want to come
Speaker 1: to soccer with us? Come on, Like, let's just what's
Speaker 1: best for the kids. What's best for the kids is
Speaker 1: that we get along. Maybe one day we have family stuff,
Speaker 1: Like he invited me to go to the movies with them,
Speaker 1: and I told you it was a little too soon.
Speaker 1: I left and I started crying and I was like Okay,
Speaker 1: that felt too family, Like, well, I think you have
Speaker 1: to protect yourself a little bit and take it a
Speaker 1: little bit at a time. Yeah, and it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that you have to do what the Kardashians do. It
Speaker 1: might not be that comfortable. I mean it's hopefully down
Speaker 1: the line, like I would love, you know, to be
Speaker 1: really close with whoever he marries or whatever, and like
Speaker 1: I would like that, I genuinely would. Sure. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: that just takes time. I mean it's still yeah, but
Speaker 1: maybe I just yeah, I need to I need to
Speaker 1: not rush into Let's just start with being nice to
Speaker 1: each other. I have. I have been nice and I'm
Speaker 1: just glad, which is great caught up to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just be kind and take him day by day.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was kind of funny. I was like,
Speaker 1: what would Chloe and Kim do because they just and Courtney,
Speaker 1: Oh that's true. Well, oh that's right that Courtney. But
Speaker 1: it's I think there's just something about forgiveness, and um, forgiving.
Speaker 1: Forgiveness isn't for the other person, It's for you exactly,
Speaker 1: not to like hold onto it anymore. What else, Catherine,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what I'm officially Cramer oh, yes, I
Speaker 1: got an email from my business manager and he goes, hey,
Speaker 1: your social Security number came in your officially Cramer again,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna lie. I cried no because okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get heared. Um, I cried because my
Speaker 1: kid's names, I'm not like, I'm like, those are my kids.
Speaker 1: Like then it just felt so like separated, and I
Speaker 1: fee like like that really sucked. Well, here's one way
Speaker 1: to help me. Look at it from a different name.
Speaker 1: Wanted to keep Cramer, not because of not wanting to
Speaker 1: take his last name, but just because obvious. You know,
Speaker 1: you're known as Janna Kramer all that, so you had
Speaker 1: thought about keeping that name. Anyway, it's easier to say
Speaker 1: to the Remember times i'd say cossin ce A U
Speaker 1: S s as in Sam I am, They're like Coffin.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. I literally just spent two
Speaker 1: seconds spelling it up for you and then said Sam, Sam.
Speaker 1: I can't say Sam, I said Sam. But if you
Speaker 1: would have kept it, then you would have had a
Speaker 1: different last name as your kids, but it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: felt that would have just been normal. But then since
Speaker 1: then taking cosson, it's like okay, we were like this
Speaker 1: family even though you know, I still went by Cramer
Speaker 1: and some things just because again it was easier. But
Speaker 1: I just think having like now having you know, the
Speaker 1: new I D and it's saying what my license still
Speaker 1: says Costin but now that I'm officially Cramer, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just it broke my heart, just for the kid aspect,
Speaker 1: Like they're my kids, they should have my last name.
Speaker 1: I burst them. I know that's such like a big debate. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I get it, but like I get the whole man like,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, no, like I those are
Speaker 1: that they came out of my my belly. How does
Speaker 1: he get and I have them seventy percent the time
Speaker 1: get the last name, because I mean, this is more
Speaker 1: just like a funny debate. But I have them seventy
Speaker 1: percent in time. They came out of my vagina. Why
Speaker 1: did we adopt the whole that they're named after the
Speaker 1: dad's It just seems because they sperminate. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like they come out of our bellies and we had
Speaker 1: to hold them in be sick. So I'm with you
Speaker 1: on that, Like it's not fair they should take the
Speaker 1: woman's name. We can change them to Cramer. I guess look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, hey, Joela Creamer, you should change
Speaker 1: it when you're dude. That's gonna go. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that, just like really that really that
Speaker 1: hit me kind of hard. But then also I'm like,
Speaker 1: but then after I cried, I was like, I'm Cramer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I've always been Cramer. And then I cried again,
Speaker 1: and then was this all today? No, it was yesterday
Speaker 1: when Kevin, and then um, and then after that was
Speaker 1: my I basically like, I never change my last name
Speaker 1: ever again. No, please don't. I will never pain in
Speaker 1: the butt. Yeah, I'm never going to do it again
Speaker 1: because at this point it's like I'm already not my
Speaker 1: kid's names, right right right, Sorry, future husband for many reasons. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go ahead and apologize now. I you know,
Speaker 1: at times, no, Janna, I happen to talk bad about myself, don't.
Speaker 1: I'm a second person? Is that second person? I am
Speaker 1: a great wife? Yeah, you were a great wife. I
Speaker 1: am a great wife. I wasn't. I was a great
Speaker 1: wife to my ex. No, I wasn't perfect. I was
Speaker 1: a little passive at times. I had a hard time
Speaker 1: dealing with trust in the cheating in the affairs. But
Speaker 1: you know what, fair, fair, fair, I would have you know.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm a good wife. And to the
Speaker 1: next person, I'm not saying sorry, I'm saying you're welcome. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're welcome, Okay, because I am a catch. Okay, she's
Speaker 1: malliam Janna. This is amazing through it part. I mean seriously,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have a dance party and be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, mother efforts. I am a catch, and
Speaker 1: I am fun and I'm a good wife. And I
Speaker 1: will rub your back and I will not make you
Speaker 1: dinner because I don't know how, but I will try.
Speaker 1: But I will get the beau a few dishes you
Speaker 1: can do. I have a few. I'm a great side person.
Speaker 1: I mean like sides like I would do great size,
Speaker 1: I mean great salads. Um And I'm funny and I
Speaker 1: like to travel. I feel like I'm filling out my
Speaker 1: dating profile right now. I'm funny. I like to travel.
Speaker 1: I'm very spontaneous. I like long walks on the beach.
Speaker 1: I love a sunset. Um my faults where I can
Speaker 1: look in the mirror and say, okay, I can be
Speaker 1: a little passive. But I'm learning how to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm learning how to not have you read my mind. Um,
Speaker 1: it's impassive. We're passive aggressive. What's the difference? I me
Speaker 1: not passive aggressive, so I'm not saying yeah, okay, kettle
Speaker 1: black Wow did you say glass glass rock, like glass
Speaker 1: house or whatever. I went to the door. Oh the door,
Speaker 1: Oh that was that's since been shattered, by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm still picking up pieces of the pantry door fault. Yeah, Beth,
Speaker 1: she grabbed the bat like. I saw people's comments like, oh,
Speaker 1: go gather, and I was like, oh, should I take
Speaker 1: credit for this or should I think it was not me? Um? Anyway,
Speaker 1: moving on to the fact that I'm a Cramer and
Speaker 1: my kids are not here. We go. We're going to Vegas,
Speaker 1: which I'm super excited about for the Heart Festival. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait to just get dressed up and have fun.
Speaker 1: And um then a gamble wan a gamble a little bit.
Speaker 1: Let's get fun, let's get let's just get like real
Speaker 1: fun Valium jam in Vegas. By the way, again, I
Speaker 1: do not promote valum um. This is this is just
Speaker 1: a this is was a side effect of and I
Speaker 1: was on my boot job that I took some By
Speaker 1: the way, I'm very happy about Stiff. You definitely seem like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, that was a great episode and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to you gus next week. Bye bye,