1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live to New York, Gloomberg eleven, Rio to Washington, 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: d C, Bloomberg to Boston, Bloomberg twelve, D to San Francisco, 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg nine to the Country, Zooeus jam General one ninet 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: and around the globe the Bloomberg Radio plus, DAPD, Boomberg 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: dot Com. This is taking stock the long bond. The 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: US Treasury third year bond continues to rally today even 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: as stocks in the United States come back, rising for 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: the third day in a row. Does this make sensible? 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: According to our next guest, it does. One of the 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: big pieces of fallout from the bregsit vote is we're 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: going to have a slower for longer global economy, keeping 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: a lid on inflation. This is certainly going to support 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: this bond market rally. Kevin Guinness is going to be 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: on with us to shortly from Raymond James here in 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: New York today. He's also going to talk about the 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: bank stress test and why the Fed keeps raising the 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: bar for banks that are probably in better shape and 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: they've been in a long time. Now, let's get to 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: Katherine Cordie. She is in the Bloomberg newsroom with the 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business Flash, Thank you Kathleen and Bloomberg Taking Stock 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: brought to you by Sector Spider E t S. Why 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: buy a single stock when you can invest in the 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: entire sector? Visit sector spdrs dot com or call one 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: eight six Sector e t F. This stock market is 25 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: extending yesterday's games as global markets continue to recover following 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: Britain's vote to make a break with the European Union. 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: There's speculation that policymakers will continue to counter the effects 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: of the withdrawal. Jim Paulson, chief investment strategist at Wells 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: Capital Management, says the market can continue to advance. I 30 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: really think there's good odds that we're going to set 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: record highs before the year's out. Here in the sp 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: there was some good things going into Brexit. Here we 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: we we've had a very broad based rally off the 34 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: January February Lowe's, which was unlike the rally we had 35 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: last August, or or the even the one we had 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: from the almost correction in two fourteen. Those were narrow, 37 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: narrow based rallies. This is broadbay. Can we check the 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: markets every fifteen minutes throughout the trading day? Down Industrial 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: average is up two hundred sixty five points one and 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: a half percent, trading at seventeen thousand, six hundred seventy three. 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: SMP five fundered up at thirty four points one point 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: six percent, trading at two thousand sixty nine. The nastack 43 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: is hired by ninety points one point nine percent, trading 44 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: at eighty one. West Texas Intermediate crude oil up a 45 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: dollar seventy nine a barrel three point seven percent at 46 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: forty nine sixty five. Spout gold up ten dollars twenty 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: cents an ounce at thirty eight ten, and the tenure 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: treasury unchanged with the yield of one point four six percent. 49 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: And now let's get an update and some of the 50 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: other stories were following today on Bloomberg Radio. Thank you, 51 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: Catherine from the Bloomberg Newsroom. I'm Julie Hyman. Survivors from 52 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: Tuesday's terror attack and Turkey are telling their stories. Stephen 53 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: Nobille was at the airport in Istanbul with his wife 54 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: when the attacks began. He describes his desperation when he 55 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: suddenly realized his wife had disappeared. I saw the sea 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: of people flooding towards me, and I was just pushing 57 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: through the trying and get to to her. I was 58 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: praying God that she didn't leave the area. As long 59 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: as I could find her, at least I could take 60 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: her safety. And then that's when I saw him in 61 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: the corner and I saw the bullets flying. Now Beale's 62 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: wife survived the attack. Meanwhile, Sam Spinado's flight had already 63 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: taken off from the airport in Istanbul when she learned 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: of the attack. She landed safely in Atlanta, thanking God 65 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: I was in the air and that he was watching 66 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: over me and that I was. No one is claiming 67 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: responsibility for that deadly attack at the airport in Istanbul, 68 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: but Turkish authorities are blaming Islamic State. Forty one people 69 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: were killed, another two d and thirty nine were wounded. 70 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: President Obama offered his condolences to the people of Turkey. 71 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: Authorities say a terminal at JFK Airport was briefly evacuated 72 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: this morning after a police dog flagged an unattended bag. 73 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: A spokesman for airport police says roads in and out 74 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: of JFK's Terminal five were closed for about an hour. 75 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: The terminal was reopened after bomb squad officials gave the 76 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: all clear former Nassau County Executive Thomas Swazi one of 77 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: five way Democratic primary race in the Long Island district 78 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: of retiring Democratic Congressman Steve Israel. Swazi will face Republican 79 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: Jack Martin's in the general election. Swazzi ran unsuccessfully for 80 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: the two thousand six Democratic gubernatorial nomination, losing to Elliot Spitzer. 81 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: Global News twenty four hours a day, powered by more 82 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: than twenty six hundred journalists and analysts in more than 83 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty countries from the Bloomberg Newsroom. I'm 84 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: Julie Hyman. This is Bloomberg Catherine. Thank you. Now, let's 85 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: get an updated a bench marks down Industrial Average up 86 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: two hundred sixty two points, trading at seventeen thousand, six 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: hundred seventy two. Smp F I founded up thirty three 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: points at two thousand sixty nine. NAZAC higher by eighty 89 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: nine points, trading at forty eight one. And that's a 90 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg business flash. Is taking stock the Fed in focus 91 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio taking a look at the bond market now. 92 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Interest rates across the globe are near record lows, many 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: of them now and agative territory, no wonder that investors 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: are finding yields attractive in the longest dated corner of 95 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: the thirty and have trillion dollar treasury market. The yield 96 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: on the thirty year, the longest bond of all, touching 97 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: lowest since February twenty fift Have we hit bottom on yields? 98 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: Have we hit the highs on price? The more this 99 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: goes on, the more you think we had. And yet 100 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: every time someone seems to be sure that's the case 101 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: and this is going to turn around, the rally just 102 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: picks up again. Kevin, get us this here had a 103 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: fixed income at Raymond James joining us in a New 104 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: York studios today, Kevin, welcome. You know the image I 105 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: get is, you know lex say, if you're on a 106 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: boat and it gets takes on water and one and 107 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: keeps thinking, so everybody keeps trying to get up towards 108 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: the bow of the boats. That's what the third year 109 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: bond is now. Now it really is, And I think 110 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: if you look at it, um in the U s 111 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: in general and dollar denominated bonds of safety have become 112 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: the item of interest for the globe um SO and 113 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: there's very little to fear uh, from an inflationary damn 114 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: point or the U S economy heating up, which would 115 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: which would drive yields back up. So there's uh, they're 116 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: still room to fall an interest rate based on global conditions. 117 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: But more importantly, we're getting such a mixed bag out 118 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: of the US economy. It just adds to the appeal 119 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: of buying longer data securities. And of course the we 120 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: got stronger consumer spending for two months strongest is two 121 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: thousand nine. That's nice. On the other hand, the inflation 122 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: gage of the fet is watching is now down to 123 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: zero point nine, even farther away from two point oh. 124 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: How much of that argument that, you know what, there's 125 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: more growth, you know, you might even get two and 126 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: a half percent this year on GDP, but the inflation 127 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: pressures are not there. How much is it that, Kevin? 128 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: If I'm like you, I'm I'm dealing with investors all 129 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: of the world, big institutions. How much is it also 130 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: just because there's been so much of this move towards 131 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: negative rates. Look at the g g b s, the 132 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: Japanese government bonds minus zero point two for the German 133 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: bull that's a tenure minus one point roughly, which is 134 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: that which is the big driver? Is it both? Well? 135 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: It is both. But I think, um, if you're a 136 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: big institution UM and you're looking to uh, let's say 137 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: you're a big bank and you're not making loans that 138 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: where your marginal lies. UM, you have with a lot 139 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: of cash still coming in, very little moves in which 140 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: to make in your portfolio that don't include domestic bonds 141 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: and specifically U S treasuries if you want to remain 142 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: safe enough to curve for when this thing does turn, 143 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: if it ever turns, or we just become Japan's economy. 144 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: But but mostly it is the return of choice. And 145 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: if you go outside of the US, returns and risk 146 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: and liquidity um aren't there. So you see the flood 147 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: of the money in it, but you also see that 148 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: money staying here, uh, taking small risk bites along the way, 149 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: searching for yield that they're not getting from typical ending. 150 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: So how do you play this? Then you just look 151 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: at this as the benchmark and say, okay, I know 152 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: what I'm you know what, I'm gonna build a bond portfolio. 153 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: One where do you buy bonds if you want to 154 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: you want to hold them maybe and actually learn the 155 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: yield seems like an old fashioned thing now because you 156 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: can't earn my yield on anything now. Well, probably the 157 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, the oldest good story in the bond book 158 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: right now continues to be tax free bonds UM and 159 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: because it not only provides absolute yield UM, it provides 160 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: and I'm talking about high quality municipal bonds in particular, UM, 161 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: the yield, the safety liquidity, and then the taxable equivalent 162 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: returns when you compare it against a corporate bond or 163 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: a mortgage bond or something that in the taxable space, UH, 164 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: it's a hundred basis points or better in yield pick up. 165 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: And so a lot of that money has been flooding 166 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: into the muni space. The taxable muni space is even 167 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: better than the corporate space UH defaults or lower yields 168 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: or higher better advantage. So it's a it's a small 169 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: game to play, but there's a big enough market to 170 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: UH to accommodate investors. So last week we got the 171 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: first let's look at the bank's health in the first 172 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: round of stress tests. We get the second version of 173 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: it today. I think can make a really good point 174 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: in a note recently that the actually the banks are 175 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: in better shape than ever. But it's if I'm understanding 176 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: you correctly, it's almost like the FED keeps raising the bar. 177 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: That doesn't sound good for banks. And why is the 178 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: FED doing that? Well, there's two things going on. Obviously 179 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: in these stress tests. The banks want to pass them, 180 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: so they put you know, a lot of liquidity um 181 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: uh in capital on their books uh, so that they 182 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: can repay shareholders. To the FED wants to make sure 183 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: that the banks can absorb losses, have liquidity, continue to 184 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: lend if there's uh an O eight style crisis. So 185 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: what they've done is say, okay, oh eight becomes now 186 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: the benchmark for what we look at when stressing banks, 187 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: and let's see if we can't take it a little further. 188 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: Uh And and how how do they react in these scenarios? So, UM, 189 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: I think that the FED will continue to do that. 190 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: They will continue to look for something bigger and more 191 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: substantial than ten percent unemployment. Half of the equity portfolio 192 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: is falling apart, fifteen seconds left. Any any when it 193 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: comes to big banks and corporate bonds, is there anything 194 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: that you like? Um? The yes, you can just go 195 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: straight up the curve um and look at at the 196 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: JP Morgans in the world and the Wells Fargoes and 197 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: some of the stronger banks, and and get spread off 198 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: of their corporate debt um. The rest of it, though, 199 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: becomes more of a safe haven play, all right. Kevin 200 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: gid us so happy he's joining us in studio today. 201 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: He's had a fixed income at Raymond James. We're continue 202 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: to follow the markets today, from stocks to bonds and energy. 203 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna also be looking at Turkey after the terrorist 204 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: attacks on the airport there. 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