Speaker 1: Welcome and everybody to Bears All Access. It's brought to
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Speaker 1: We'll have the game Bears Packers Sunday on WBBM, starting
Speaker 1: an amr pregame kickoff at noon. Thanks for producers Dan Barelli,
Speaker 1: Jordan Truentip and the folks here at the score coming up.
Speaker 1: We'll be joined by DeAndre Houston Carson. The veteran safety
Speaker 1: and writer Ty Dunners authored a book it's called The
Speaker 1: Blood and Guts How tight Ends Say Football. Substantial time
Speaker 1: with Mike Ditkill will get into that first eighteen pages
Speaker 1: of the book about coach and how tight end position
Speaker 1: kind of revolved around him in the sixties and beyond,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into that. But right now, big time,
Speaker 1: we're talking Bears Packers meeting two o six, and it
Speaker 1: looks like Justin Fields and Aaron Rodgers will share the
Speaker 1: field on Sunday. Well, definitely trending that way, and I
Speaker 1: think the crowd is excited both on a national scope
Speaker 1: of the NFL and whomever is gonna be at Soldier
Speaker 1: Field on Sunday, And I'm excited for myself. I want
Speaker 1: to see Justin get back on the field, and I
Speaker 1: want to see him go out there play a high
Speaker 1: profile opponent like the Green Bay Packers in the division
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers, and I hope this is super motivating
Speaker 1: to the defense to make sure that they have to
Speaker 1: be on their best and take care of business according
Speaker 1: to what Aaron Rodgers offers them. But I think it
Speaker 1: complicates the situation for the defensive coordinator of the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers because you have a formula of how you
Speaker 1: want to play against Aaron Rodgers. There's net not necessarily
Speaker 1: a formula how you play against Justin Fields. And they
Speaker 1: just played against Jalen Hurts who put up a big
Speaker 1: rushing number against them. Joe Berry's under attack up there.
Speaker 1: For sure. The three sixty three is a crazy number.
Speaker 1: It has happened before, but it just seems weird to
Speaker 1: keep here in that number, that three hundred and sixty.
Speaker 1: But when you watched the tape of how the Packers
Speaker 1: played it, there were a lot of runs that Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts made that we've seen from Justin Fields. There's creases
Speaker 1: that open up, there's green grass, and he's going to
Speaker 1: take it. You can't stop him from taking it if
Speaker 1: he sees it. The invitations too great. Just get out
Speaker 1: of bounds, try to avoid the hit. That's one way.
Speaker 1: But second, what did you think of the tackling of
Speaker 1: the Packers Because I thought that defense heading into this
Speaker 1: year was going to be really good. Obviously, Rashine Garry
Speaker 1: out with an ACL takes away the pass pressure. But
Speaker 1: are you a little surprised at what they've given up?
Speaker 1: You know? So, Jeff, I heard earlier on a broadcast
Speaker 1: you talked about the importance in the role of David
Speaker 1: Montgomery and the running backs according to the Running Game,
Speaker 1: which I still believe that is a super point of emphasis.
Speaker 1: But you know, Jeff, when you look at hot do
Speaker 1: you a tackle Jalen Hurts Hottia tackle justin fields? There
Speaker 1: is no formula because these guys can have a two
Speaker 1: and a half to four yard separation and you're not
Speaker 1: going to hit them. So to say, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: they used to have this term for playing Barry Sanders
Speaker 1: back in the day, and they said, oh man, you
Speaker 1: gotta fire. You gotta fire when you go to tackle
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders. There you can't because he's gonna you miss
Speaker 1: in space. The great Gael stairs. If you try to
Speaker 1: fire on him, you're gonna miss in space. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing with Justin. You better be able to have
Speaker 1: a condensed area in multiple bodies around him to slow
Speaker 1: him down or escort him out of bounds. And that's
Speaker 1: still not a guarantee because Justin is so fluid on
Speaker 1: his feet that if there is that I talked about,
Speaker 1: that separation of distance between him the nearest defender, he
Speaker 1: can turn a four yard separation into a forty yard run.
Speaker 1: So it's a hesitation that kicks in then and now.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit though, isn't it if you're thinking
Speaker 1: you're beat? Because if you're thinking how about how to
Speaker 1: approach him instead of firing, your canon so to speak,
Speaker 1: as you say, that puts you in major conflict. Is
Speaker 1: that what you're suggesting here? It slows down a defense
Speaker 1: because they got to think about how they're going to
Speaker 1: attack him, right, It's probably more if you slow your reaction,
Speaker 1: you're guaranteed you're gonna get beat. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: about just firing and trying to make a tackle is
Speaker 1: that you got to commit to it, and then you
Speaker 1: hope that if you commit to him, and then you
Speaker 1: slow him down or you make him take an alternate
Speaker 1: direction that there's teammates near you that can help you
Speaker 1: limit the success of the run. But you know, again,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up if you think you're beat,
Speaker 1: because if you slow your reaction, you're guaranteed you're gonna
Speaker 1: get beat. All right, Where are you in the risk
Speaker 1: reward category with this, if at all? Because there's a
Speaker 1: camp out there that says, hey, you know, why rush
Speaker 1: him back? Why do this? Let him get some risk,
Speaker 1: get the bye week, come back finished the final four.
Speaker 1: What's your take on all that? Football's a risk always,
Speaker 1: whether you're healthy or you have some type of in
Speaker 1: some type of setback issue that he had when he
Speaker 1: didn't play against the Jets last week. But to me,
Speaker 1: it's you give him a week to get his legs
Speaker 1: back to the freshness that it was when this whole
Speaker 1: journey started. That would scare me as much as anything.
Speaker 1: And I know it's his left shoulder, and I would
Speaker 1: be cognizant of that. I would try to put him
Speaker 1: in a play calling position that he's not exposed to
Speaker 1: getting pounded to his left side. And you can't guarantee
Speaker 1: that because it's a reactionary sport. But I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sit there and dwell on why he missed the game
Speaker 1: last week as opposed to why he's playing this week.
Speaker 1: And even from a personal standpoint, he's a twenty three
Speaker 1: year old kid who is the future of the Bears.
Speaker 1: It appears as that's the case, and he wants to
Speaker 1: face some of the greats of the game. Those days
Speaker 1: are dwindling with Aaron Rodgers. So if you're gonna have
Speaker 1: another crack at Aaron Rodgers, I say go take it
Speaker 1: right as he is. You know, at home, you're in
Speaker 1: control of the volume of the snapcout. You can have
Speaker 1: a variety of formations now that Chase Claypool has been
Speaker 1: more involved in the mix and they got some speedback
Speaker 1: with Pringle, And then you think of where Cole Commet
Speaker 1: is at from the first time they played Green Bay
Speaker 1: into where he's at right now. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: different weaponry that you can use this goal around against
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers that you are still trying to
Speaker 1: figure out your formula the last time they played them.
Speaker 1: Still a signific number of injuries obviously on this football
Speaker 1: team and in the secondary. As if this show. We're
Speaker 1: not sure what the situation is in that regard, but
Speaker 1: it's a young secondary right now, A couple of three
Speaker 1: year veterans and you got DeAndre Houston Carson back there.
Speaker 1: But these are guys that, no question, Aaron Rodgers will
Speaker 1: be zeroing in on. Yeah, you know, I don't look
Speaker 1: for mental mistakes out of the defensive backfield because I
Speaker 1: think guys like Jalen Johnson and DHC DeAndre Houston Carson
Speaker 1: will get everybody in the right place and if someone
Speaker 1: if there is a mistake that's being present, sometimes they
Speaker 1: can make up for that. All Right, we're gonna step
Speaker 1: away our first segment in the books as we get
Speaker 1: ready to meet DeAndre Houston Carson here on Bears All Access.
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Speaker 1: Chicago Sports Radio six seventy the score. Back to Bears
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Speaker 1: good choice adds up to a better world. Jeff Joniak
Speaker 1: here with DeAndre Houston Carson, our guest, Thank you've taken
Speaker 1: the time. Thanks for having I know it's valuable time.
Speaker 1: You know, as your pro man, you're a pro through
Speaker 1: and through, and so your workday continues all the way
Speaker 1: to who knows when, and it's not just about the
Speaker 1: meetings and the practice, it's getting your body right and everything.
Speaker 1: What is your typical week like in terms of post
Speaker 1: practice preparation for Sunday? Yeah, so post practice, obviously, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do some stuff to recover, getting the training
Speaker 1: room and do some massage or whatnot. But I typically
Speaker 1: trying to do all my film study when I'm when
Speaker 1: i'm in the building. That way, when I go home.
Speaker 1: I got two kids, my daughter she's almost three, of
Speaker 1: my sons eight months, so there's not too much time
Speaker 1: to be watching too much film when I get home,
Speaker 1: so I try I do my work when I'm not
Speaker 1: working that way, when I go home, I could just
Speaker 1: be a dad. I always joke with it with the
Speaker 1: guys that say me they see me leaving at five
Speaker 1: o'clock with a coffee and he's shaking coffee. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to my real job, you know. I like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: kids don't care what I did to day, so that's typical.
Speaker 1: And then once they go to sleep, I might watch
Speaker 1: a little extra family spence some time my wife. You know,
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of tape too, certainly not as
Speaker 1: much as a player, but that that pad is always
Speaker 1: there calling your name, right, you know, and do you
Speaker 1: think you know, God, maybe I should watch a little more.
Speaker 1: Is that happen a lot. It's like a magnet and
Speaker 1: it does. It changed over the course of your career.
Speaker 1: Kids aside, I mean, as a pro, how much tape
Speaker 1: are you actually diving into? Arla Carya should tell me,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't watch too much to night start
Speaker 1: overthinking that that was his way? What's your way? Um?
Speaker 1: That is a reality. You can watch too. You can
Speaker 1: watch too much or get to start thinking too much
Speaker 1: about it. I would say, you know, I try to
Speaker 1: watch a lot of film in the morning times, so
Speaker 1: maybe an hour or so in the morning, and obviously
Speaker 1: whatever we're watching during the day, and then post practice
Speaker 1: all in all, maybe another maybe another hour and a half,
Speaker 1: so probably a day, you know, by myself, you know,
Speaker 1: two to probably two to three hours. Had it ever
Speaker 1: burned you when you have looked into it too much? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: because sometimes you can get to guessing, you know, you
Speaker 1: think you know what they're gonna run based on their formations.
Speaker 1: It can help you make a lot of players book.
Speaker 1: It can burn you, you know, if you think they're
Speaker 1: gonna run a slant. In the next team they run
Speaker 1: a slant and goal or give a memory in your career,
Speaker 1: even college where you know you're so glad you did
Speaker 1: it because you know you saw it. It just came
Speaker 1: to life and you made a big play. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: we were playing James Madis universally. Actually my senior year
Speaker 1: is a big game Halloween. I think we won like
Speaker 1: forty four to forty one, so we weren't stopping too much.
Speaker 1: But there was one I knew. I just knew he
Speaker 1: was gonna run a slant and I was in the
Speaker 1: post and U I mean, I just jumped the slant
Speaker 1: and they ran a goal ball and just completely left
Speaker 1: my corner out the dry. He dropped a touchdown. He
Speaker 1: dropped it. So then the very next play they come
Speaker 1: back and they run the slant and I picked I
Speaker 1: ended up picking it off. So I was happy. You know,
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm saying. That's a that's a risk
Speaker 1: in some reward, but um, yes I was. I was
Speaker 1: happy on that one. DeAndre Houston Carson, our guest here,
Speaker 1: on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy to score. I love
Speaker 1: how you laid out the day and then you're going
Speaker 1: home to your your family, because I'm certain a lot
Speaker 1: of folks don't think of it in terms that way.
Speaker 1: And now you got a young team. While of those
Speaker 1: guys are not married, they don't have kids, they're rookies,
Speaker 1: they're young guys in the locker room, they've seen you're
Speaker 1: basically you're briefcase and it home to work after a
Speaker 1: day at the office. Right You don't visualize that as
Speaker 1: a football fan, you know, I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's just something different. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I kind of like it because you are one
Speaker 1: of the senior members of this football team, as young
Speaker 1: as it is. I don't think you played on a
Speaker 1: younger team right in your seven years. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if anyone has played on a younger team right
Speaker 1: right now in the second arry, I just counted up.
Speaker 1: I think it's six rookies knock out woods. Some guys
Speaker 1: are gonna come back who knows, but injured or otherwise.
Speaker 1: There's six rookies, two new guys just picked up a
Speaker 1: month ago, two three year vets, in Villedoor, who's limited
Speaker 1: as of this taping this week for practice, Jaylen and yourself. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it'll be exciting an opportunity for a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: But I had that experience one time. I can't remember
Speaker 1: who we're playing, but we're when the kickoff holder before
Speaker 1: the kickoff, and I'm looking around, it's like there's literally
Speaker 1: seven rookies out here in the kicker. So it's just
Speaker 1: me and you know, two other guys who are Yeah,
Speaker 1: have any you know, specialties? Yeah? Yeah. Do you do
Speaker 1: you drive some energy from these guys because their wide eyed,
Speaker 1: they're excited, this is their big chance. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure some of them don't feel like rookies anymore. That's
Speaker 1: deep in the season. But how about that you do
Speaker 1: drive some juice from that? Oh? Yeah, for sure. A
Speaker 1: lot of guys bring a lot of energy, and it's
Speaker 1: always fun being around the rookies day. You know, they
Speaker 1: keep you young. It's funny saying that, right because you're
Speaker 1: still a young guys exactly. You're a young guy in
Speaker 1: the in the bigger picture for sure. DeAndre Houston Carson
Speaker 1: our guest here on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy The
Speaker 1: Score brought to you by IGS Energy. So I said
Speaker 1: this on the TV show that we had on Sunday
Speaker 1: Night recap in your nine tackles. I know you're a
Speaker 1: team first guy, but we have to individually, you know,
Speaker 1: go through you know, highlights of the game and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And I said, this is a guy and I said
Speaker 1: this at the outset here, you're a professional. You just
Speaker 1: there's so much trust and belief when you're on the field,
Speaker 1: no matter what you're asked to do, how in frequent
Speaker 1: or frequent you're asked to do it. I think that
Speaker 1: could possibly be some of the most complimentary thing you
Speaker 1: can hear as a player. Is it not even from
Speaker 1: your coaches they speak the same way about you. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'd say so. Obviously you want to be someone who's
Speaker 1: trustworthy in life in general. That's the way I look
Speaker 1: at it. And then football is just an extension of
Speaker 1: you know, just another aspect of life that I want
Speaker 1: to be trustworthy in and to be in. To be
Speaker 1: completely frank, there's there's times where you know, I make
Speaker 1: mistakes out there and I think it hurts me. Um
Speaker 1: might hurt me a little bit more because I do
Speaker 1: pride myself a lot in that, and I have a reputation,
Speaker 1: you know, so then when I when I do make
Speaker 1: a mistake, it's like I was, you know, I just
Speaker 1: gotta make a mistakes. So I had a few in
Speaker 1: the game, to be honest, that that I wasn't proud of,
Speaker 1: but because it's just part of it, you know, learning
Speaker 1: from learning from those as well. And frankly, you haven't
Speaker 1: had a ton of defensive snaps this year. Is it is?
Speaker 1: It takes some time to get comfortable out there. No,
Speaker 1: I want to sound so, I mean that is something
Speaker 1: that a couple of people have asked me. You know,
Speaker 1: like I've played a lot of football, but I haven't
Speaker 1: started or play, you know, a whole bunch on defense.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you can really account for all
Speaker 1: the accumulated reps over time practice, you know, preseason, all
Speaker 1: those reps of playing football, watching a lot of tape,
Speaker 1: seven years worth of tape. Um. So although you know,
Speaker 1: having started a whole bunch, it doesn't feel like I
Speaker 1: have to go in and get a groove or anything. Well,
Speaker 1: I know this, you're one of the one of if
Speaker 1: that's the first guy on the field every day. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: why is this? Um? So really everyone likes doing extra work. UM,
Speaker 1: and I know I know myself, I'm I'm more likely
Speaker 1: to be inconsistent if I do it after after practice
Speaker 1: every day. I might have a hard practice and I'm
Speaker 1: tired and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna skip. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: skip the jugs today. So I just decided I started
Speaker 1: doing it probably two years ago. I decided to start
Speaker 1: doing all my extra work before practice. That way, I knew,
Speaker 1: um two things. I knew I was gonna get that
Speaker 1: extra work, and then I could I can direct call
Speaker 1: one of my practice to go. You know, say you're
Speaker 1: wearing pads, you might go a whole day you're wearing pads,
Speaker 1: but you haven't you still don't hit, just because you
Speaker 1: know the play didn't come. So then I go out
Speaker 1: and do my tacles before. That way, I know that
Speaker 1: I'm you know I'm hitting. UM, So that that's really
Speaker 1: the only reason. Um, I don't really do any reason.
Speaker 1: Have others followed you, have others asked about especially these
Speaker 1: young guys, and then they say, can we work with you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For sure. Um. Before it was me and my boy
Speaker 1: Dion Bush, we'd be out there, we'd be out there early. Um,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of Jurkis asked me about it.
Speaker 1: Just we're not just Wurkies but guys in general. And
Speaker 1: I just explained that to him. And you know, some
Speaker 1: guys try to come out early and stuff. I've actually
Speaker 1: adjusted a little bit this year. Um, adjusted a little bit.
Speaker 1: I still try to get out early, but I'm not
Speaker 1: a slave to it. I used to kind of be
Speaker 1: a slave to it, where if I if I wasn't
Speaker 1: able to do it, then I would just feel like
Speaker 1: completely unprepared. Um. But now you know, it's really nice.
Speaker 1: Actually I'm not a slaved to that, to that ritual anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I still get out there early as much as I can,
Speaker 1: but I've definitely adjusted as the years I'm talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: does it also signal to these younger guys? And again
Speaker 1: Coach keeps talking about building a foundation, and he made
Speaker 1: a point of the Coaches Show on Monday Night, this
Speaker 1: is not a rebuild. This is a building building. So
Speaker 1: building something fresh from the foundation that that guys get
Speaker 1: into a routine that they feel works for them. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be replicated. I mean, it could be
Speaker 1: the same thing on Sundays, you know, ottawalle Guli. I
Speaker 1: used to come in are in defensive end and he'd
Speaker 1: take three showers before kickoff. I mean that that was
Speaker 1: his route he had to he'd go out there getting
Speaker 1: the shower. Yeah, I mean why, I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but it worked for him. Do you kind of counsel guys, hey,
Speaker 1: do what works for you? Um? I have I have. UM, Like,
Speaker 1: if they do ask me about my routine specifically, it's like,
Speaker 1: you don't have to, you don't have to do this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but it is very important, I think to
Speaker 1: have a consistent schedule. Um. So something that was told
Speaker 1: to me, Um, you know kind of the pre draft
Speaker 1: process is, you know, you want to kind of do
Speaker 1: the same thing every day of the week. So like
Speaker 1: on Monday, I do the same thing every Monday. I
Speaker 1: do the same things every Tuesday, Wednesdays. It's just stills
Speaker 1: routine as far as you recovery your body. Also watching
Speaker 1: the film. That way, you have less things to think about.
Speaker 1: It's just taking some of that mental energy away, you know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes exactly, I eat the same breakfast every morning. That way,
Speaker 1: I don't have to think about okay for breakfast, you're
Speaker 1: not eating the same way how you eat the same breakfast?
Speaker 1: What do you eat? Yeah, so typically I do two pancakes,
Speaker 1: a couple pieces of bacon, three four piece of bacon,
Speaker 1: and some eggs. Put some hot sauce on it, Sir.
Speaker 1: Doesn't get boring? No, I mean sometimes it does. But
Speaker 1: you are a man of routine. So I'm messing up
Speaker 1: your vibe right now because you're ready to get home
Speaker 1: to be with the kids and Mama. Yes, DeAndre Houston
Speaker 1: Carson our guests another segment to go here with the
Speaker 1: veterans safety and special team star back with you after
Speaker 1: this break on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy the Score.
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Speaker 1: about life and football. You know, it's funny some of
Speaker 1: these interviews. You have a couple of questions or ideas
Speaker 1: and then you just start a conversation. You never get
Speaker 1: to the questions. Those are the best ones. I had
Speaker 1: one recently with Cole Comet a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: on television, and you know, I think players get a
Speaker 1: kick out of that too. You know, we're just talking.
Speaker 1: We're just talking about things that relate to the game,
Speaker 1: and those are always, to me the best interview. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being open and talking about you know,
Speaker 1: just stuff stuff right here. I don't like using the
Speaker 1: interview voice that you know, what is the interview interview
Speaker 1: voice and someone asks you a question and you just
Speaker 1: have to turn on that, you know, it's that voice.
Speaker 1: I gotta go watch the tape. Yeah, yeah, right, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't give him all the all the info right
Speaker 1: right yet. Um, this is not an easy year. Uh,
Speaker 1: but it's weird. I had a conversation Mike Pannell in
Speaker 1: the locker room and a veteran who has been on
Speaker 1: many many teams, some very successful teams, Packers Kansas City,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's another veteran guy who guys come
Speaker 1: to him for information on the defensive line. And I said,
Speaker 1: I'm in the locker room the other day and it's bustling.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been in here and you have to there.
Speaker 1: There are there are guys who come in there on
Speaker 1: Wednesdays and Thursdays, and meet the media, and they do
Speaker 1: so diligently. But in the past, you know, at place
Speaker 1: with crickets, sometimes you know, guys don't want to answer
Speaker 1: questions about losing. What's different about this team because it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a losing season. I'm just that's from
Speaker 1: my perspective. Maybe you guys are internally looking at it
Speaker 1: a different way, but I just hear it. I feel
Speaker 1: that there's energy in that room. What are you What
Speaker 1: is your guess? I guess do you feel that? Or
Speaker 1: am I? Or am I just making it up? No?
Speaker 1: I do feel it, Okay, I do feel that. I
Speaker 1: think there's a couple of things. Um. One, it may
Speaker 1: be it may be just the fact that we kind
Speaker 1: of guys we have in the locker room. You know,
Speaker 1: we have guys who care about each other. I said
Speaker 1: this the other day, so want to ask me this question.
Speaker 1: We have guys who care about each other and guys who, um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just it's all about them. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're when you're losing it, it's all about you,
Speaker 1: and you know you're just so self centered. Then it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to find really any joy in what we're doing.
Speaker 1: I think we have guys who care about each other.
Speaker 1: You know, we have good chemistry. Another thing that's been
Speaker 1: brought up, which I think is true, is the way
Speaker 1: that Flus kind of handles wins and losses. Like it's
Speaker 1: very consistent, you know. You know, there's not too much
Speaker 1: really high after winning, not too really low after a loss.
Speaker 1: So if you are really really low after loss and
Speaker 1: then you lose four or five in a row, then
Speaker 1: it's just five weeks of being really really low and
Speaker 1: then you can kind of just get stuck there. So
Speaker 1: I think that's another thing. And then maybe I think
Speaker 1: another thing may be the youth, yeah, aspect of it. Again,
Speaker 1: we talked about how we're young, like just bringing excitement
Speaker 1: to the locker room. Young teams. Man, they're dangerous. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are five more games left in this season. You're
Speaker 1: probably looking forward to that bye week because it's the
Speaker 1: latest bye week I ever recall, right for you too,
Speaker 1: Probably everybody needs a little break. But every game's gonna
Speaker 1: be tight. It doesn't matter how under man the Bears
Speaker 1: may look on paper or what the other teams may
Speaker 1: be coming in. I just think, and it's been that
Speaker 1: way all season, with rare exception a couple of instances,
Speaker 1: but it speaks to the coaching staff and the belief
Speaker 1: in each other and the opportunity he's being given here
Speaker 1: across the board, to many different guys in many different positions.
Speaker 1: Would you say that's also part of this puzzle a
Speaker 1: little bit? I think so, yeah, I think so. Um.
Speaker 1: That's the NFL in general, Like, there's not too many
Speaker 1: just no, not this record right this year, it's a
Speaker 1: record like this one score game has never been this many.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, you just the parody. Everyone's on scholarship,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone plays good ball, and then somehow, I
Speaker 1: maybe it's something they need to do. They need to
Speaker 1: do a study on why that is. Like we all
Speaker 1: just come down to the wire here. Look at this. No,
Speaker 1: you know, when you watch tape, you're not watching it,
Speaker 1: at least I'm not watching it in the progression of
Speaker 1: the game. It's one side of the ball, Okay, so
Speaker 1: unless you watch the TV version, you're not seeing it
Speaker 1: that way. So the Philadelphia Eagles run for three hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty plus yards, which I mean it's like high
Speaker 1: school level, right, three hundred and sixty six yards against
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. But the green Bay Packers lost
Speaker 1: by a touchdown. Now, if you looked at that and
Speaker 1: said three sixty six, I don't even need to know
Speaker 1: the score. There's no way Philadelphi's losing that game, right, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You'd have to look at the turnover
Speaker 1: as well as to well, I don't know all that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's that's really the stat Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's takeaways, right if they have three six may turn
Speaker 1: them all over three or four times. It's like it
Speaker 1: seems like such dominance at the line of scrimmage, like
Speaker 1: holiday even, you know, But it's that's why you know.
Speaker 1: You need balance, you need you need to score touchdowns.
Speaker 1: You need to score touchdowns. And I know the takeaways
Speaker 1: are are obvious. And then the return game, you know,
Speaker 1: stretch of four straight games where you guys were victimized
Speaker 1: by return touchdowns and those return touchdowns way back to
Speaker 1: the days of love you Smith. He said, you know,
Speaker 1: you get one return touchdown, you're likely going to win.
Speaker 1: You have a greater chance of winning that football game.
Speaker 1: That's how tenuous it is. For sure. You heard this also,
Speaker 1: I think up is maybe, which is crazy. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it steals a possession, so that that's what you're always
Speaker 1: trying to do as well. DeAndre Houston Carson our guest
Speaker 1: here on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy to score. Uh,
Speaker 1: all these new guys coming in, Um, how good of
Speaker 1: a job in your opinion? Are these coaches doing teaching
Speaker 1: and getting guys ready to play and a moment's notice,
Speaker 1: Yeah know these I mean these are great coaches, honestly,
Speaker 1: really good teachers, and I'm sure they have their work
Speaker 1: cut out for him. But are you know what we
Speaker 1: do is also schematically not It is detail, but it's
Speaker 1: not extremely complicated. So it is a system that you
Speaker 1: can come in and pick up the basis curely quickly.
Speaker 1: But I think they're doing a good job. Tell me
Speaker 1: about Brisker mentality, big body seven a heck of a year.
Speaker 1: I hope he comes back soon. But what what have
Speaker 1: your been impressions of him? Well, for one, like you said,
Speaker 1: he's extremely athletic, can cover, can cover anybody. The main
Speaker 1: thing that I noticed about brisk being around him for
Speaker 1: a little bit is just his competitiveness, Like he's a
Speaker 1: true competitor. Um, he hates to lose, obviously he likes winning.
Speaker 1: But I think he hates to lose money, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just a competitive, very physical guy. And he's just
Speaker 1: like really all of our rookies. I've noticed that their
Speaker 1: pros already as rookies. You know, they take care of
Speaker 1: the bodies, to watch a lot of film. Those are
Speaker 1: the two things I think that really go into being
Speaker 1: a pro. And he has those two already. A couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I get on the team plane and
Speaker 1: I'm walking two guys behind Brisker. He sits down, bam,
Speaker 1: iPads out, not even can I have something to drink? Boom,
Speaker 1: he's working. Sure did you find that seven years in
Speaker 1: that that has also been kind of a new newer
Speaker 1: thing at every opportunity, right after the game getting into
Speaker 1: it or I guess it just depends on the guy. Yeh.
Speaker 1: Some guys just can't be easy until they see the plays,
Speaker 1: whether they be good or bad. Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: know what they're waiting to hear from exactly exactly, you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen some some real examples of guys
Speaker 1: who are obsessed with film, you know, to where you'll
Speaker 1: be out with dinner with them and they'll they'll have
Speaker 1: their iPad they're watching well member Kyle Fuller, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: always and that thing open locker room. That thing was
Speaker 1: open one hundred percent of the time. Challenges facing Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: who's banged up, looks like he's gonna play on Sunday,
Speaker 1: coming in here where he's had so much success. What
Speaker 1: still are the challenges with him and his crew? Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously probably the number one thing is very smart. You know,
Speaker 1: we have to try to do a good job of
Speaker 1: giving him some looks he hasn't hasn't seen. Um, I'd
Speaker 1: say I'm talent. Obviously, he can make any throw, make
Speaker 1: any throw, and I mean he's one of the best
Speaker 1: of all time. You know, we just gotta he doesn't
Speaker 1: turn the ball over much, you know, historically, so i'd
Speaker 1: say those poppy three things. I'm assuming you get jacked
Speaker 1: up for something like this. U I heard Justin Jones
Speaker 1: in the locker room. He's all wound up about it.
Speaker 1: The rivalry thing, you know, that's kind of dissipated over
Speaker 1: the years from my perspective, from players bringing it up,
Speaker 1: because you know, you're not homegrown here, You're from all
Speaker 1: over the country, all over the world in some place
Speaker 1: in some case is with our locker room, and you
Speaker 1: know that has to take time to develop. But he
Speaker 1: did not like how it wound up in week two
Speaker 1: and it's still bugging him. And uh, you know you've
Speaker 1: had plenty of them. You had to leave the game
Speaker 1: last year, in that game and that that ended your season.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that rings in your ear a little bit too.
Speaker 1: What what is your impression of that match up with
Speaker 1: the Packers and you know, yeah, and and just it's
Speaker 1: it's it's been uneven you know, yeah, it's been uneven.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're sick of it. Yeah, everyone in Chicago, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is it rightfully? So? Um, yeah, I think every guy's different.
Speaker 1: I'd say, you know, someone who just got here two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, they might not feel it as much. But
Speaker 1: I think if you've been on the team and once
Speaker 1: you like justin you playing one time and you start
Speaker 1: to feel it already. He's just like, Yeah, the energy,
Speaker 1: the history behind it, and just that game is really special. Um,
Speaker 1: it's really an honor to play in it. Think about
Speaker 1: it like, heck, yeah they've met how many times? Yeah?
Speaker 1: To us six especial to be a part of that.
Speaker 1: You know, when to try to uphold the standard of
Speaker 1: Chicago basketball, and each team has the samon number of wins.
Speaker 1: Are you aware of this? Yes, And it's exact day,
Speaker 1: December fourth, one hundred and one years ago when the
Speaker 1: Bears got their first NFL win, and they've never trailed
Speaker 1: the Packers. It's even now, but they've never trailed. Sunday
Speaker 1: will be exactly one hundred one years ago. It's fate.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun to go get it. Let's hope
Speaker 1: it's it's a fireworks it's firework show. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for taking the time. Have a great game and
Speaker 1: good luck this weekend. That's DeAndre Houston Carson, our guest
Speaker 1: here on Bears All Access. When we return, I'll be
Speaker 1: joined by Tom Thare once again, and Ti Dunne will
Speaker 1: join us. He's written a book about tight ends and
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with the one and only
Speaker 1: Ironed Mike Ditgo. We'll talk about that next here on
Speaker 1: Chicago Sports Radio six seventy The Score. Welcome back to
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Speaker 1: Ty Doune outstanding writer. You know you know I mean it, Tyler.
Speaker 1: I've told you for years you write great stuff. You're
Speaker 1: working now formerly on the Packers beat, you're living in Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Tell us about what you're doing with golong td because
Speaker 1: it's a great newsletter. It talks about all things NFL
Speaker 1: and if you're a Packer fan, it's heavily slanted in
Speaker 1: that direction. Our old friend Bob McGain also working with you.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into that and the book you've written.
Speaker 1: But welcome to the program. How's it going two years now?
Speaker 1: This newsletter? You gotta Jeff, Hey, thank thanks so much
Speaker 1: for having me. It's great to see you, to hear you.
Speaker 1: It's it's been a bit. So I always love when
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Speaker 1: just had the two year anniversary. Just wanted to really
Speaker 1: kind of zag where. I guess a lot of sports
Speaker 1: media's ziggin right, a lot a lot of fast food,
Speaker 1: a lot of memes and takes and gifts and tweets,
Speaker 1: and I've always kind of gravitated toward the long form,
Speaker 1: toward profile writing, feature writing, and just felt like I
Speaker 1: was in a place with enough relationships around the NFL
Speaker 1: to cover the NFL through that lens. So substack as
Speaker 1: a platform was perfect. Could just you know, write my features,
Speaker 1: report on them, do what I love to do, and
Speaker 1: see if people want to pay to read stories? Right,
Speaker 1: And that's the big I know, does anybody actually want
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Speaker 1: my happy hours once. He was great. Um, we've examined
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Speaker 1: listen to you and give you which you want. Funny
Speaker 1: you said substack, and Tom there quickly and wait, wait,
Speaker 1: that's something that sounds like a play. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what substack is easier either, Tom, But you heard substack,
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, let's go what are we doing? Line
Speaker 1: up and go? What the heck is a substack? So
Speaker 1: it's a it's a newsletter platform basically, So if you
Speaker 1: want to just basically, it's a homeworker writing. It's it's
Speaker 1: an alternative to social media if you want to take
Speaker 1: your brain back. They've got a lot of newsletters on there.
Speaker 1: You know, sports, music, politics, culture, everything. Um. A lot
Speaker 1: of people kind of broken off of corporate media, and
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Speaker 1: you can do that. So I created go Along. It's
Speaker 1: it's my own company. But the substack is like the
Speaker 1: host or to disperse the stories. In addition to the
Speaker 1: uro Hey, ty, give me a little bit of your
Speaker 1: feeling about the NFL today, because you got older quarterbacks
Speaker 1: into their late thirties and forties, and then you've got
Speaker 1: a star driven group of quarterbacks, you know, like your
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow or your Justin Fields and some of the young,
Speaker 1: star studded quality quarterbacks you have. What is your feeling
Speaker 1: of the NFL today? That's a great question, because I
Speaker 1: feel like the NFL today, if you're going to excel
Speaker 1: with your young quarterback, you've got to create an infrastructure
Speaker 1: that allows that quarterback to shine, like take advantage of
Speaker 1: what that quarterback does well in it. It sounds very
Speaker 1: elementary to speak in those terms, but I mean, I
Speaker 1: just did a series on two a ton of my
Speaker 1: own earth ludown in Miami to figure out why he's
Speaker 1: in the MVP conversation and got life under Brian Flores
Speaker 1: in that offense with where he was at terrible, miserable,
Speaker 1: just treated poorly in meetings and schematically, it just didn't
Speaker 1: suit his gifts. And he didn't have Tyreek Hill around him.
Speaker 1: That helps as well. So I just think to get
Speaker 1: a head coach and Mike McDaniel to get a receiver
Speaker 1: in Tyreek Hill for him to show him seven hundred
Speaker 1: plays of him doing something well. It just took his
Speaker 1: confidence to a whole new level, and he remembered who
Speaker 1: he was at Alabama, who he was out in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: and he was that quarterback all along. So I think
Speaker 1: the coaches that get that. It seems like the Bears
Speaker 1: get it with Justin Fields, right, who GETSI and everything
Speaker 1: they're doing with him to take advantage of his athleticism,
Speaker 1: his mobility, his armed talent, and just creating an offense
Speaker 1: that works for him. And they'll get around and using
Speaker 1: one hundred million to find him some players. But I
Speaker 1: think he's in a really good spot because this is
Speaker 1: a coaching step and a team that's gonna take advantage
Speaker 1: of what he does best, which I just implows my mind.
Speaker 1: The more coaches and more teams don't just do that.
Speaker 1: It seems simple, but so lots to look at Green
Speaker 1: Bay Bears. You think this was the most opposite under
Speaker 1: the spectrum of a talent like Aaron Rodgers and the
Speaker 1: other side of talent like Justin Fields, that they're completely
Speaker 1: two different quarterbacks. Yeah, I mean, on the flip side,
Speaker 1: and I've been pretty opinionated on this subject to go along,
Speaker 1: I think Green Bay just completely botched this missed a
Speaker 1: golden opportunity. You trained Aaron Rodgers at the peak of
Speaker 1: his powers. You know what he is personally, you know
Speaker 1: what he is professionally. You know everybody this side of
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. They're gonna lose a little cleticism. They're gonna
Speaker 1: lose a little on their fastball. It's inevitable. Father Time
Speaker 1: is undefeated, and you had an opportunity to just get
Speaker 1: what three first three seconds, Jerry Judy Patrick's curtain, whatever
Speaker 1: you wanted, a piece of paper. He was the MBV.
Speaker 1: And yet you bent the knee at every turn from
Speaker 1: the offseason that he held you hostage all through that
Speaker 1: offseason into the next offseason. So now they're screwed. I
Speaker 1: mean now he's making fifty miles. It's contracts and albatross.
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of bad contracts. You've got a
Speaker 1: young quarterback cooks pretty good to pick that started the
Speaker 1: song during Love has developed. He showed this some stuff.
Speaker 1: What an opportunity to get him some reps. But if
Speaker 1: we've learned anything through this whole charade, it's I don't
Speaker 1: need the matt with words the head coach in writing.
Speaker 1: Gouda Kins is the GM and but Aaron Rodgers can
Speaker 1: just do what Aaron Rodgers wants. If he wants to play,
Speaker 1: he's gonna play. If he wants to play in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, he'll play in twenty twenty three. It just
Speaker 1: kind of blows my mind that they had this opportunity
Speaker 1: and they missed it. And we'll see what happens. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Love is able to be the guy and
Speaker 1: they can't put the pieces around him. But if they
Speaker 1: go that route, it's gonna be a really, really tough
Speaker 1: Whereas in Chicago, justin fields, there a position to put
Speaker 1: the pieces around him and really build for the future.
Speaker 1: Tyler Dunn our guests here on Chicago Sports Radio six
Speaker 1: seventy to score from God on td dot com. Check
Speaker 1: him out. Great newsletter indeed, and he's written a book.
Speaker 1: It's called The Blood and Guts. How ti it ends
Speaker 1: and big capitol letters tie save football. Certainly, you got
Speaker 1: to talk to the coach because he was Iron Mike
Speaker 1: before he was the coach, and the first eighteen pages
Speaker 1: dedicated to a guy that kind of kicks off the
Speaker 1: book as changing the way the position was played. A
Speaker 1: big reason why he's a Hall of Famer because when
Speaker 1: you get guys that revolutionize a position or a scheme
Speaker 1: or a trend in the league, you're likely bound for Canton,
Speaker 1: tell us what was the genesis of this book and
Speaker 1: about your conversations because you went down to Naples to
Speaker 1: visit with Iron Mike. Absolutely, the genesis I think is,
Speaker 1: you know, a big picture. I've always wanted to write
Speaker 1: a book, just didn't really know what the topic would be.
Speaker 1: And when you think about the sport and everything we
Speaker 1: love about the sport, the blocking, the tackling, the big plays,
Speaker 1: and this is all it's all still to that tight
Speaker 1: end position. And I think you know when you watch
Speaker 1: the game today, it's like the league is trying to
Speaker 1: find this utopian middle ground with violence that doesn't really
Speaker 1: exist with the flags and the fines. If you look
Speaker 1: at last night DeMar Hamlin, I mean he hits the
Speaker 1: receiver in the end zone. I don't know what he's
Speaker 1: supposed to do on that play. So I'm kind of
Speaker 1: an old soul in that regard. I feel like the
Speaker 1: NFL is trying to operate in both the safe space
Speaker 1: and the octagon. Just own your violence, Own what you are.
Speaker 1: Nobody's maiming receivers today, right, It's not like it used
Speaker 1: to be in Dica's day. So when you know it,
Speaker 1: you see it. So I guess it came from a
Speaker 1: place of just being at miss stop and trying to
Speaker 1: run to write a book that preserves the game and
Speaker 1: everything we love about the game. And you get that
Speaker 1: at tight end. You get it in Mike Dicka. He
Speaker 1: started the position from square one. Nobody even used the
Speaker 1: term tight end before he broke onto the scene with
Speaker 1: John Mackey in the sixties. So yeah, absolutely had to
Speaker 1: go down there right to Dica's world, hang out with
Speaker 1: him in the club house, and it was wild. I
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot about Dicka that you guys
Speaker 1: certainly know, but I think a lot of common bands
Speaker 1: don't really remember him as a player. They don't remember
Speaker 1: him as that apex predator on the field, taking names,
Speaker 1: kicking butt, like just really asserting himself at the top
Speaker 1: of the food chain in a way nobody had really
Speaker 1: done in the sport before. And then schematically, you know,
Speaker 1: George Allis obviously had a lot to say about the
Speaker 1: tight end and offensive football, but the name he brought
Speaker 1: up again and again is Nuke Johns's his coordinator and
Speaker 1: just kind of teaching him to line up a little
Speaker 1: bit off of the tackle, a little bit off, and
Speaker 1: then that gives you the ability to have a two
Speaker 1: way release, to run left, to run right right. And
Speaker 1: then once he caught a pass, it was, you know,
Speaker 1: hell on wheels. He just ran over everybody that moved.
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to visit with him several years
Speaker 1: ago just to catalog his history for preservation with the Bears,
Speaker 1: with the grates of the game. Gail Sayers also was
Speaker 1: privileged to do that, and he had me in stitches
Speaker 1: because the storytelling is with still a toughness bent to it, right,
Speaker 1: So he's not laughing. He's serious boss stuff. But don't
Speaker 1: say yeah because we got Bears Packers. It's the Nichky battle,
Speaker 1: the Niche He and Nichky hated him and they became friends.
Speaker 1: But boy, the collisions in the nastiness of those two
Speaker 1: is also profiled in it. And then I'll lead you
Speaker 1: to Tom who actually played for the guy. So, but
Speaker 1: how about those Nichki Dika battles. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: that was really the era, the decade that made American
Speaker 1: football the number one sport in America. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the ratings, the numbers, every everything you'd want to
Speaker 1: look at suggest that the sixties is when football was
Speaker 1: modernized and became the real American pastime. And you can
Speaker 1: say Mike Dicka was the number one reason for that.
Speaker 1: If you're going to create like a Jerry West silhouette logo,
Speaker 1: it's probably iron Mike because of the way he played it,
Speaker 1: because of those battles with Niche. He had me in
Speaker 1: stitches too. He can remember, like, you know, getting clotheslined,
Speaker 1: you know, getting blindsided, just getting just drilled by Nichky
Speaker 1: and those those packers bear games and not thinking it's
Speaker 1: a dirty play, right, It's not like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: out of bounds, you know, uncalled for. No, it's he
Speaker 1: got me, I'm gonna get him, and he would, and
Speaker 1: it's stilled into you know, everyday life. They're outside of
Speaker 1: a restaurant in Milwaukee and going at it. It's and
Speaker 1: like you said that, they became friends there, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think that's the cool thing. I bought it.
Speaker 1: You can beat the hell out of each other on
Speaker 1: the field and be perfectly fine to each other off
Speaker 1: of it, whether it's Dicka, John McKee, even a Jackie Smith.
Speaker 1: He had so many stories as well getting into it
Speaker 1: with Dick Buckus, you know, on the other end of
Speaker 1: the spectrum. Um, I just can't get enough in the air.
Speaker 1: I'll a bit. I mean, I was pretty ignorant when
Speaker 1: it comes to football in the sixties and seventies. I'm
Speaker 1: thirty five, that's before my time. I'm just thinking, he
Speaker 1: got a bunch of you know, shoemakers and you know
Speaker 1: melkmen in there and there as their day jobs, and
Speaker 1: they're just kind of playing football as a hobby. All right.
Speaker 1: You look at some of these guys dick Us running over. Well, granted,
Speaker 1: some of these guys Dick was running over, maybe they
Speaker 1: did look very small compared to the players today. But
Speaker 1: the rule book was about as thin as a brochure.
Speaker 1: You could do whatever the hell you wanted to out there.
Speaker 1: So I think that we had to take that into consideration. Ty,
Speaker 1: I would love your feedback on this. So I played
Speaker 1: for Mike Dicka for eight years and he was the
Speaker 1: template of toughness in all aspects of football special team's
Speaker 1: offense and defense. But he really didn't feature the tight
Speaker 1: end as a main key to offensive success. It was
Speaker 1: Walter Payton offensive line. Then let's bring you to the
Speaker 1: modern day NFL with Andy Reid, who was a former
Speaker 1: offensive tackle and now he features the tight end of
Speaker 1: one of his main positions of success. Doesn't surprise you
Speaker 1: that a former tight end doesn't feature it, but then
Speaker 1: a former offensive tackle does feature it. That's a great
Speaker 1: question because that does come up year to year, decade
Speaker 1: to decade, er to erra. Where As I'm heying, I
Speaker 1: would with everybody from Dicka to Bronk and Kittle today
Speaker 1: and everybody in between, Ben Coats, Tony Gonzalez, Mark Bruners
Speaker 1: in there, we've got run the whole game, and add
Speaker 1: Mark Bavaro. Off course, Mark Vavarro, Jeremy's Shocky, I mean
Speaker 1: three backs and drinks with Shocky and Miami Beach, which
Speaker 1: is every every bit as crazy as you can imagine
Speaker 1: reading this book. But I feel like it was a
Speaker 1: very small group of innovators that kept the position evolving
Speaker 1: over time. It wasn't like like a dick or you know,
Speaker 1: pick your tight end that became a coach or a
Speaker 1: coach who coach tight ends. It wasn't like it. It
Speaker 1: became this wave, right, this tightle wave of people who
Speaker 1: understood what the tight end can do. It was a
Speaker 1: Luke John So's. It was Don Korea with Kelen Winslow.
Speaker 1: It was Mike Mike Pope, you know, the position coach
Speaker 1: for Bavaro and Ben Coates and Jeremy Shocky, Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells. It kind of was sporadic with coaches who realized, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a big dude who can
Speaker 1: both lock and run up the scene, makeup play down
Speaker 1: the field, and it is impossible to cover for a corner,
Speaker 1: a safety, a linebacker. All the way to Tony Gonzalez,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's really I mean, you can make the
Speaker 1: case that he's the best tight end ever if you want,
Speaker 1: because he opened up the door for a completely new
Speaker 1: type of athlete, you know, a select group of coaches
Speaker 1: to realize what this player could do, to the point
Speaker 1: now where if you're not hunting for an athletic tight end,
Speaker 1: you'll probably be out of a job. All right, Our
Speaker 1: final moments here with Tyler Dunn, who's written the book
Speaker 1: The Blood and Guts How tight Ends Save Football. So
Speaker 1: let's get back to the title to wrap us up
Speaker 1: before this great Bears Packers matchup it Soldier Field on Sunday,
Speaker 1: Why do you feel they save or is it, just
Speaker 1: like you said, the preservation of the sport as we
Speaker 1: remember it. Why why will tight end say football right?
Speaker 1: It's present tense. You're absolutely right. You're in the trenches.
Speaker 1: You have to roll up the sleeves, you have to
Speaker 1: block still. Yet it's third and eight. There's seventy thousand
Speaker 1: streaming fans, millions of people watching at home, the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: going to you. I mean, you're the quarterback's best friend.
Speaker 1: Peyton man In and Dallas Clark. The hours they put
Speaker 1: in in saying Drew Brees, Jimmy Graham, Tom Brady, Rob Burnkowski,
Speaker 1: right down the list, ru Bledsoe and Ben Coates. So
Speaker 1: you have to do a little bit of everything. So
Speaker 1: that's football in a nutshell. But yeah, I just feel
Speaker 1: like we're so offended by everything today and I don't
Speaker 1: like it. I don't get it. I think it's weird
Speaker 1: to that society has gotten softer and is offended and
Speaker 1: then applies to the football field. I think we have
Speaker 1: to reach an agreement that if you are on that
Speaker 1: field and the players get this, they do offense defense.
Speaker 1: Everybody gets this. If you're on that field, you are
Speaker 1: subscribing to a certain element of a risk. You understand
Speaker 1: the inherent risk that's involved with football. And guess what,
Speaker 1: so many of these guys in the past, they didn't
Speaker 1: know the risks. You know, they didn't realize the head
Speaker 1: trauma and even ligament damage and everything that it could
Speaker 1: do to you later in life. Lotted, I mean that
Speaker 1: I've talked to today. The knowledge is through the roof,
Speaker 1: so you can make that decision. Is this for me
Speaker 1: or is this not for me? And if it's for
Speaker 1: you and you step onto that field, I don't understand
Speaker 1: why we have to. You know, have the rule book
Speaker 1: that's you know, this thick now as opposed to the brochure,
Speaker 1: and nobody knows what it catches, nobody knows how to tackle,
Speaker 1: nobody knows how to hit. We're all this kind of
Speaker 1: dazed and confused. And I think that if you siphon
Speaker 1: out of that, if you siphon that violence side of
Speaker 1: the game, you're gonna lose football. It's going to become
Speaker 1: something different. But the tight end you still have to hit,
Speaker 1: You still off the catch, you have to do everything.
Speaker 1: As Rob Gronkowski, George could, a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: break down in detail. We can preserve the game at
Speaker 1: that position, the blood and guts. Where can people find it? Anywhere?
Speaker 1: You get books Amazon, Barnes and Noble. Indie books also
Speaker 1: go along TV dot Com. I'm always running deal so
Speaker 1: if you sign up, there's a good chance you'll see
Speaker 1: a deal where. Hey, come on, annual subscriber, you'll get
Speaker 1: a book. All right, Hey, nice job, number one of many. Right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have volumes of this stuff. Tyler Donne, our guest,
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Love the conversation, fellows.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me. All Right, Tyler, we'll
Speaker 1: talk to you down the road. We'll have you on
Speaker 1: again for sure to talk about the rest of the league.
Speaker 1: Coming up next, Tom and I finish our thoughts on
Speaker 1: Bears Packers Version two h six, coming up at Soldier
Speaker 1: Field here on Chicago Sports Radio six seventy the score.
Speaker 1: This segment of Bears All Access is brought to you
Speaker 1: by CDW people who get it, Jeff Joni Act, Tom
Speaker 1: Thair wrapping things up in our final segment to take
Speaker 1: a look at the matchups and Bears Packers Version two
Speaker 1: a week two justin fields and the offense through for
Speaker 1: just seventy yards. He ran the ball eight times. That
Speaker 1: could change drastically on Sunday. There are different parties involved here.
Speaker 1: No rashone Gary. Now the Bears have Chase Claypool. There's
Speaker 1: no Darnell Mooney, no Eddie Jackson, no Robert Quinn, no
Speaker 1: ro Kwan Smith. They've got changes. Justin Watson's become a
Speaker 1: instant star. Six touchdowns in last three games. Crazy how
Speaker 1: much in just from week two to now that these
Speaker 1: two teams, the complexion of them has changed. What hasn't changed.
Speaker 1: They both lost seven to eight. Yeah, and they're both
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where their quarterback is. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't know, you know as much there's been as
Speaker 1: much conversation about Aaron Rodgers over these last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks as there has been about the emergence of Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the point of success for both
Speaker 1: football teams. They need Aaron to play like he once did,
Speaker 1: and they need Justin to continue on that road of improvement.
Speaker 1: And then that's when you bring in the defense. How
Speaker 1: is the defense of Green Bay going to react to
Speaker 1: Justin and how is the defensive pressure and defensive backfield
Speaker 1: going to react to playing Aaron Rodgers, and I think
Speaker 1: it's a it's gonna be an unbelievable game. And to
Speaker 1: just imagine that with the storyline behind the quarterback position,
Speaker 1: that it comes down to be in Green Bay in Chicago,
Speaker 1: the oldest rivalry in the NFL, in two quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: couldn't be on if on two different roads there of
Speaker 1: where their their football life is going. It stuck with
Speaker 1: the backs because they've got two good ones. And they
Speaker 1: did do some damage to the bearer. Aaron Jones is
Speaker 1: an outside zone runner. He is absolutely fantastic. I love
Speaker 1: how he plays the game. There are questions about how
Speaker 1: much they give him the football sometimes not enough. They
Speaker 1: don't incorporate him all the time the way you would
Speaker 1: think in the passing game. But uh, and then there's
Speaker 1: David Montgomery who right now, aside from the runs in
Speaker 1: the in the yard from scrimmage, he's second in yards
Speaker 1: per catch among running backs behind Derrick Henry in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Now he's up over eleven yards at catch. And you've
Speaker 1: been on this for a while about getting him involved
Speaker 1: in the passing game. And it's not just okay, he's
Speaker 1: got good hands, it's what he does with it after
Speaker 1: he catches the football right, because you know, most of
Speaker 1: the time that he gets a catch outside the box,
Speaker 1: outside the framework up tight end to tackle, he's usually
Speaker 1: facing a third level defender. And there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of defensive backs that are volunteering to tackle David Montgomery
Speaker 1: one on one in space. And you know Daved Montgomery
Speaker 1: does not want to go out of bounds. If he
Speaker 1: has a challenge of a tackle or near the edge
Speaker 1: of the field, He's going to take the challenge and
Speaker 1: not the edge. And I know that Doug Colletti could
Speaker 1: probably figure it out. There's a great stat of how
Speaker 1: many yards that Walter Payton had in his total of
Speaker 1: not going out of bounds rather than staying in the
Speaker 1: field to play. And that's what Dave Montgomery does with
Speaker 1: the great challenge to the when he does able to
Speaker 1: catch the ball on the exterior. At the same time,
Speaker 1: Packers have given up the thirty first most runs of
Speaker 1: ten yards and more. They've allowed seventy points on first
Speaker 1: possessions of each half, of which the Bears have scored
Speaker 1: I think eighty total points than the first drives of
Speaker 1: each half. There's things here the Bears do well. That
Speaker 1: they're scoring drive percentage is higher than the Packers, who
Speaker 1: are twenty sixth in the league offensively doing that. It's
Speaker 1: it's a lot of interesting math for a lot of
Speaker 1: different reasons. Where are your focuses on keys to the game? Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question, though. If the Bears
Speaker 1: go out there and they win the coin toss, do
Speaker 1: you defer it to the second half or do you
Speaker 1: take the kickoff and hopefully you can get up saving
Speaker 1: and nothing, and then you can give your defense a
Speaker 1: little bit of a chance to be aggressive on that
Speaker 1: first drive, trying to get at Aaron Rodgers and trying
Speaker 1: to limit their success. It's something that you really have
Speaker 1: to contemplate because I'm a big believer you win the
Speaker 1: coin toss, you defer, but I don't want to see
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers with the ball into his hands that first
Speaker 1: drive and then do something with it. So you know,
Speaker 1: you're kind of adding some confusion with the question you
Speaker 1: just brought up with their lack of success at and
Speaker 1: the halves, right, I kind of with you. Let's take
Speaker 1: out the Louisville Slugger and go right down the field
Speaker 1: and get on the board, get on top because the
Speaker 1: Packers haven't proven they could do much with that. They've
Speaker 1: had a couple comebacks, but they like playing on the lead,
Speaker 1: and he's always had the lead on the Bears. This
Speaker 1: is how he works. And sometimes it's a you score
Speaker 1: a game and you're not you're not getting back. Um.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's different now because of justin fields and the
Speaker 1: way this offense has been able to score points. How
Speaker 1: About how about defensively? What should the Bears be bracing for?
Speaker 1: Be worried about Aaron Rodgers throne a deep pass the
Speaker 1: Watson the very first offensive play they get. You go
Speaker 1: back to the first play of the season, Watson dropped
Speaker 1: the ball that was delivered perfectly by Aaron Rodgers against
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, and they they failed to have any
Speaker 1: type of comeback opportunity after that, and it really, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of fractured a little bit of the relationship.
Speaker 1: Throughout the early portion of the season. However, Watson has
Speaker 1: really come on. So if they go out there and
Speaker 1: they say, okay, they have a tough time getting pressure
Speaker 1: on the opponent's quarterback, and I have a guy that
Speaker 1: tell me it's forty time because I know, right, I
Speaker 1: know you know, right at the top of ear I
Speaker 1: don't know enough the top of my head, but it's
Speaker 1: it's in the four to three range. Yes, it's in
Speaker 1: the three range. So that's what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 1: you get a guy like Watson who they've been able
Speaker 1: to take advantage of. Even when Jordan Love came in
Speaker 1: the other night, they hit him with a slant route
Speaker 1: and he took it to the house. So my biggest
Speaker 1: fear is that first play, challenging the Bears defense to
Speaker 1: see if anybody can stick with wattson the speed start
Speaker 1: four three six, big time, I know you four three
Speaker 1: six m. Yeah, he's been he's been outstanding, and he's
Speaker 1: owning it too. He enjoys being in the spotlight. You
Speaker 1: can see him when he scores touchdowns. He folds his
Speaker 1: arms and stares at the crowd. And he's got that
Speaker 1: and number one receiver type attitude as as a rookie.
Speaker 1: Right now, he does have five drops this season, and
Speaker 1: the Packers have had a lot of drop passes this year,
Speaker 1: more than more than you might expect. All Right, offensive line,
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Of the potential that Alex Leatherwood
Speaker 1: could be involved in some fashion. He is getting paid
Speaker 1: a lot of money because of that deal that the
Speaker 1: Bears did taking him off waivers from the Raiders. Would
Speaker 1: you like to see him at some point this season
Speaker 1: or even as soon as Sunday? Oh, I need to
Speaker 1: see him. I need to what this guy's gonna offer
Speaker 1: the Bears. Listen, you know you talk about the Bears
Speaker 1: Green Bay game. He's fortunate to be able to play
Speaker 1: at home. To listen, to be able to hear the
Speaker 1: count from justin fields. This guy has played in big
Speaker 1: games throughout his career. There is no bigger program in
Speaker 1: college football than Alabama when he played there. So he's
Speaker 1: not going to come in there and be shocked at
Speaker 1: sixty one five hundred because he's played on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball and an away crowd in a home
Speaker 1: crowd one hundred thousand. So listen, if Alex Leatherwood can play,
Speaker 1: and you put him wherever whatever ted you know, I
Speaker 1: assume he's gonna play right tackle, then allow him to
Speaker 1: be physical, watch his feet on terms of past blocking responsibility.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited and I want to see Alex Leatherwood
Speaker 1: finally get his opportunity. We'll see that you started every
Speaker 1: game last year for the Raiders. This Bears matchup with
Speaker 1: the Packers brought to you by PNC, the Official Bank
Speaker 1: of the Bears. Want to thank our guests here today,
Speaker 1: DeAndre Houston Carson, that Bears nominee for the Sportsmanship Award.
Speaker 1: The Art Rooney Sportsmanship Award recognized as players who exemplify
Speaker 1: outstanding sportsmanship on the field. So great guest. Thanks to
Speaker 1: Tyler Dunn who's written a book about the tight end
Speaker 1: position called The Blood and Guts from golong td dot com.
Speaker 1: Check him out as well. Thanks to our producers, and
Speaker 1: most of all to you for listening. Tom. We'll see
Speaker 1: you Sunday. I'll be there, be angry, all right, that's
Speaker 1: top there. I'm Jeff Joniac. Thanks to everyone for listening tonight.
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