WEBVTT - One Year in Palestine / Voting with Palestine in Mind 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.120 Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.400 welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.880 mission is to foster allyship, empathy and understanding. I'm your host, 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.039 ramses joh he is ramses Jah, I am q Ward. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.560 You are tuned into Civic Cipher d R and we 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.040 have a special show for you with a special guest. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.280 This has been a long time coming. Too long, extra 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.760 special guests, extra special sauce on it. Yeah, too much sauce, 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:30.040 but yeah. A friend of the show, a friend of 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:31.960 ours in real life, and a person that we look 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.879 up to and respect a whole lot is back in 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:37.479 the studio with us. She goes by the name of 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.920 Suzanne Aslam and she is a human rights major, former 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.800 Miss Airbusay actress as well as activist turned writer. You 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.320 should also know that as an activist in Palestinian American 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.160 she spent time in Palestine working with a peacekeeping team 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.360 and as a deep personal understanding of the occupation. You 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:59.560 can pre follow her at the Activist on social media 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:04.080 and she's going to have a conversation with us that 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.760 we feel again is a long time coming. There have 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:15.520 been a lot of changes since our last conversation about Palestine, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:21.720 how to best show up for Palestinians, Palestinian Americans, and 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:29.240 really she's in a unique position to offer insight into 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:34.679 the mind of a Palestinian person and how to be 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.399 present in a very human moment for our brothers and 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.160 sisters who call Palestine home. So welcome back to the show. 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:40.640 Thank you. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:46.440 Yeah, and we're also going to spend some time talking 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.720 about what we should be thinking about when we head 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.360 to the ballot box in November in terms of keeping 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.440 our Palestinian brothers and sisters in mind as well. So 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.360 all that and more coming up on the show. But 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.120 before we get there, let's do like we always do 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.800 and start off with some ebony excellence. Shall we think 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:05.360 you shall? 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.519 This week's Ebony Excellence is sponsored by actively Black. There 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.880 is greatness in our DNA. Visit actively black dot com. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.880 Story comes from USA today. Kendrick Lamar is headed to 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:19.799 the super Bowl. A Compton to. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.080 The Super Bowl to Compton One Time. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:23.120 Then Not Like Us. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.680 Rapper, at thirty seven years old, is set to perform 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.519 during the twenty twenty five Apple Music. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:29.600 Super Bowl halftime show. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.760 He shared this new Sunday in a YouTube video that 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.160 showed Lamar on the football field in front of a 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:39.200 giant American flag. He said, quote, my name is Kendrick Lamar, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.560 and I'll be performing at Super Bowl. I think this 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.960 is fifty nine. Will you be pulling up? I hope so. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.640 Rock Nation, Apple Music, and the NFL confirmed the news 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.919 in a news release, and the NFL shared a promotional 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:57.560 poster on Twitter that showed Lamar sitting on a football field. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.799 Rap music is still the more impactful genre to date, 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:06.240 Lamar said in a statement on Sunday, and I'll be 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.400 there to remind the world why they got the right one. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.400 Kendrick Lamar is having a incredible year, wouldn't you say? 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:14.639 Ram? 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:20.000 I would say that, and everybody who's being critical, I 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.040 would say that, you know, bite your tongue. 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.840 Yeah, there's a and bi critical. There's a swell on 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:33.399 these internets and social media places that people are determined 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.600 that there should be more New Orleans. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.520 Hip hop artists featured in this show. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.360 And I'll say this one, we have no idea who's 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.320 going to be featured in the show yet it's five 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:45.360 months away. 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:45.640 Two. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.640 The only time in the history of the Super Bowl 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.640 that a hometown artist performed was in Los Angeles two 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:57.360 years ago. Three a hip hop artists singularly headlining the 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.280 Super Bowl should be celebratory for every one. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.560 We're gonna talk more about that on the Black Information Network. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:10.480 That needs some unpacking. Anyway, Suzanne Oslam is back on 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.760 the show with us, and you have been up to 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.960 something since we last spoke, so. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:19.479 Bring us up to speed. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.000 I know you've been doing some traveling. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:21.320 You know. 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:22.839 What was the nature of your travels? 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.919 Just kind of Oh, yes, I went to a tiny 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.000 little place no one's sort of called Palestine. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:28.159 Yeah, okay. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:32.000 I was there in July for a wedding because, believe 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.719 it or not, life still goes on as much as possible, 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.880 and my cousin was getting married, so I had the 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:42.919 privilege of going and spending a week's worth of just ceremonies. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.840 You know, every night there was something and it was 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:50.040 so incredibly beautiful. And it was extra beautiful because the 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.080 night of his actual wedding, between leaving the church and 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:58.159 going to the Hall where Christians, so we had the 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.400 ceremony at the church, we got news that down the 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:06.560 road and the next town over, some Israeli snipers had 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.600 just like pulled up in tanks in front of the 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.880 Mehad which is the Church of the Nativity, and then 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.599 in beit Jaala, which is another town nearby, they rolled 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.720 up in tanks, snipers came out, and they kind of 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.919 just posted up and we didn't know why, and so 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.279 everybody was a little bit nervous, and it was so 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.880 strange to kind of watch it from this vantage point 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:27.960 where we're at a wedding and my cousin just got 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.520 married to his beautiful bride and we're so celebratory and 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.560 everybody's dressed up and makeup and dresses and it's so fun. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.800 And then at the same time we had to hold 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.880 that information and going, Okay, what's happening to our brothers 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.960 and sisters down the street. What do we do? So 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.080 when we got to the hall, the DJ said, look, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.200 we're gonna go on, but take take the pictures that 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.120 you want, take the videos that you want, but let's, 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.600 out of respect, just not post anything tonight until we 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:59.359 know more. And they're always functioning that way. They're always 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.080 trying to find this balance of joy while also living 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.919 in chaos. And having that moment to experience that was 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.680 really was really beautiful because it just shows so much 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.320 of the resilience that they have, and they're not willing 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.240 to joy is a part of resistance, you know, they're 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:15.840 not willing to. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:21.840 Give that up. I forgot who said it, but when 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:28.560 you say that joy is a part of resistance, I've 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:34.240 heard that, Like it almost might have been Bar for 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.960 Bar what you said. It's such a special thing to 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:43.720 think how surviving and thriving and being happy and smiling 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.120 is it'll break the spirit of your enemy. Yes, yeah, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.680 and that's something that I think that is. It is 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:56.719 certainly noteworthy. I want to mention something here. Did this 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.039 take place in the West Bank? 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.640 It did in Bethlehem. 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:01.839 That's incredible. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.440 Congratulations and blessings to the family as well. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.800 Absolutely. One of the things that happened while I was 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:15.720 here and you were there. You don't know this, but 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.880 I was invited to a I guess it's a form 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:25.760 of protest. It was a movie screening. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:27.160 You know. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.120 I had been, of course, to the college campuses for 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.600 those protests, and I had been, you know, all these 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.400 neat little places where I can support in any meaningful 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:41.520 way that I can. But I was invited to this 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:47.280 movie screening and it was like transformative in a way 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:52.400 that I didn't expect. Forgive me, because I know we've 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.400 we've shouted out this movie on the show before, Q 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.560 and I have, but I feel like it's called Where 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:06.760 Olive Trees Grow. That's it, okay with Okay, I love him, Okay, 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.280 And I can't spoil the end of the movie for you. 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:10.800 Do you know the ending of You haven't seen it? 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.160 You haven't, Okay, Well, then I can't spoil the movie 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.120 the ending of the movie for everyone. But if you're 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.000 able to watch this movie, then I'm sure that you 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:23.760 will kind of appreciate a perspective that I had come 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.760 to appreciate famously on the show. I mentioned to you before, 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:31.440 I mentioned to our our brother resistance is beautiful. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:33.840 That I grew up. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:40.680 Being nurtured by Jewish people, and so my default setting 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.640 has always been protect Jewish people, Protect Jewish people, and 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:48.000 it still is and it will be in perpetuity. So 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.520 I didn't think beyond just the faith, to what is 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.200 the political structure look like in Israel. I didn't even 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.680 think Israel, you know what I mean? This was just 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.440 a problem that was too far away from me. I 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.240 didn't I didn't know what Zion is meant and I 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.160 did all these things I was unaware of. And during 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.800 this time, since last year around October seventh, we're about 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:13.320 a year in. Now I've come to know much more, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:19.120 and I can see more parallels in the Palestinian people's 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.040 plight and black people's plight in this country. Then I'm 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:29.200 able to see, you know, I'm also able to see 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:34.720 like the political structure as being oppressive in Israel over 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:43.200 Palestinian folks. And a year in having at least a 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:50.880 basis to receive that movie, it's heartbreaking. It's just flat heartbreaking, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.280 I mean. And the craziest part about it is, like 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.800 you said, the whole movie there's gunshots, there's people trying 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.319 to do interviews and they're afraid, and there's people talking 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:04.040 about their children, and I can say that's part the 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:08.480 whole movie takes place in the West Bank, right, But 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:13.240 they smile. There's joy in that movie, and then it 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.560 has like an m Night Shalaman ending and you're like, 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.640 You're like, what you know? So I highly recommend that 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.439 you check that out. Now, I don't want to get 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.800 too far off. I do want you to talk more 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.520 some recent things that have happened, and you know, just 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.920 kind of give us your thoughts, your reflections. There's been 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:39.000 news news stories, headlines of hostages being recovered from hamas 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:44.640 and news stories of hostages being killed, and you know, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.560 net and Yahoo had this big pushback on the ground 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.200 because of the hostages that he had been saying he 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.160 was going to rescue, rather than him being able to 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:56.959 kind of twist that narrative and say, see, I told 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.600 you these were bad guys that people kind of turned 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.839 against him a little bit, at least that's what I sawloading. Okay, 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.640 so talk to us a little bit about kind of 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:05.960 how that moment hits you. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:11.280 Well, they still remember. The Israeli people still remember that 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.280 before all this happened, they were out in the streets 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:19.120 protesting Netanyahu because he's been on they'se got allegations against 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.600 him for corruption and fraud and some other things. And 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.560 for a while a short amount of time, he wasn't 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.200 a prime minister. A guy named Naftali was prime was 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.640 the prime minister, and so they were out on the 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.280 streets protesting him, demanding elections. So they already kind of 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.520 have a bad idea of bb BB's his nickname. So 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.920 when this happened when he didn't get the hostages back, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.240 when he didn't make the hostages a priority for the 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.720 Israeli people, this just just kind of further cemented their 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.079 opinion of him. He I think, as a politician, was 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:53.840 using it to go, oh, this is so great, like 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.960 now I'm going to go to war and we're defending 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:00.559 our people against these terrorists. But so many Israeli saw it, well, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.960 you're not. We don't care about that. We want you 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.880 to get our hostages home. And the fact that wasn't 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.920 his focus. They saw through that they had so many 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:13.640 opportunities for a ceasefire deal, and it was always you 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.760 won't hear this in the mainstream media because my whole 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.480 life people have said, oh, Israel offered a peace deal 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.960 in the Palcini and said no, it's always the opposite. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.400 Or they'll offer a peace deal where we get absolutely nothing, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.040 and then they go, I don't understand why you said no. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.240 So there's been so many offerings of a peace deal, 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.040 of a ceasefire and Israel will say no, or they 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.120 will say something like sure, but we're going to keep bombing, 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.320 like it just doesn't make sense, and so they see 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.280 through that. I will also say though, that when you 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.760 see the protesters out in the streets in Tel Aviv, 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.680 half a million, Yes, they are not protesting the end 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.240 of the genocide. That needs to be noted. They are 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.280 not saying, hey, the genocide is terrible, or even calling 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.400 it a genocide. They just are focused on their hostages. 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.439 I flew into Tel Aviv, which is really weird to do, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.160 and to share the airspace with the same airplanes that 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.400 are bombing my brothers and sisters in Gaza. It was 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.680 very weird for me. When I got into the airport, 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:20.560 there were you know, the the yellow tie that represents 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.200 the hostages. We used to do it for soldiers who 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.679 died inn I rocked the ribbon. Yeah, thank you. They 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.040 were everywhere, and it was pictures just on the floor, 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:34.120 just lined against the halls of the airport, of the hostages. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.400 That is the primary focus of the Israeli people. In 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:42.560 the Israeli government's view, like the narrative that they want 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.040 to push is oh, the hostages, that's why we're doing 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.959 what we're doing. But their people are not happy with it. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:55.439 Another thing that I want to add here is there 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.120 was a recent article that came out that said, a 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:04.080 number of country have stopped supplying weapons to Israel. The 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:08.240 United States is not on that list, correct yet. I 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.400 don't know that the United States will be on that list, 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.760 but I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.000 because the last time we spoke, it was about how 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.960 global support had continually shifted away from Israel in favor 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.400 of Palestinian folks. So when you came across that headline, 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.160 you know, well. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:34.080 So two things. The UK recently suspended licenses to send 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.640 weapons some kind I can't remember the terminology, but they 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.160 suspended like thirty out of three hundred and fifty or 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:45.080 some like ridiculous number like that, So it'd been a 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.960 It's kind of a good start, but thirty out of 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.080 hundreds doesn't seem like you're really trying. It seems like 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:56.000 you're trying to just shut us up, because if you 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:57.800 really thought what they were doing was bad, why wouldn't 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:03.120 you just suspend all licenses. Secondly, the United States is 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.840 it supplies seventy percent of Israel's arms exports seventy percent. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.720 Not only that, but the US is responsible for the 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.040 upkeep of these weapons, so when they need parts and 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.280 things like that, we also participate in that. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:20.680 If we were. 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.240 To stop, we as in the United States. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.480 Yes, if the America was to stop, and everybody else 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.680 even tried to keep going, if America stopped, the genocide 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.680 would stop grind to a halt. Yes, because we are 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.040 seventy percent of the arms exports that they receive. So 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.560 it's nice that the other countries are doing that, but 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.200 it's not as important as the United States stopping. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:43.400 All right, We're going to get to some of the 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.920 We're gonna shift gears here, do it. Okay, you are 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:54.640 our sister, we are your brothers. This conversation is for 0:15:54.760 --> 0:16:00.360 us to learn and for our listeners to learn. Everything 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.280 that we say, and if it sounds challenging, will come 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:03.160 from a place of love. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:05.160 Uh, We're like that. 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:14.440 That's it. We were invited to Kamala Harris rally. We're 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:15.840 gonna talk more about this in the second half of 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.520 the show, but we were invited to a Kamala Harris 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:30.480 rally and we went this is what we do and 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.640 she was talking and there was a group of people 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:39.040 up in the corner of the stadium and those people 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.200 got active. And that's my kind of people, right, because 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.080 I get active. I get outside. You can see me 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.360 in the streets with a sign with my sons doing whatever, 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.960 right Q two. I mean I'm not gonna you know, 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:50.520 but I like that energy. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:50.840 I like. 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:55.000 Okay, let's direct action, voting and all of that too, 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:55.880 but direct action. 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:57.120 Right. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.440 So when they started getting busy, and remember I march 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.399 with these people, like some of them, I know, you know, 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:11.119 sit ins, you know, pass out water, receive water from, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.840 you know, wrote signs with all of that, these same 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:21.320 people when they start interrupting her speech, as they should 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.600 in my opinion, in my opinion, as they should. Not 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.480 everybody agrees with that, that's okay, but some people got 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:32.040 the mic and some don't. And those people have lives 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:33.800 and their lives have work, and they have values, and 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:35.560 they have to end if they can't express themselves. And 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.040 they get together and they shout that's how it goes. 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.359 That's you know, you can fight me in the street 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:50.760 over that. Kamala Harris says something that says she I 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.840 don't know exactly what she said, but effectually she said, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:18:00.159 you know that she wants to do more. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.120 Or to support. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:13.120 Palestinian independence, autonomous determination determination. Now, that same thing happened 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.440 while I'm reading a headline on my phone that says 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.639 the United States sends however many billion more worth of 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:40.600 weapons to Israel. Right, how does that take us into 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.760 a moment like that with you where it might feel 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.879 like somebody is talking out of both sides of her mouth, 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:49.880 or do you make a distinction. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.800 There's there's no distinction, okay, so talk to us, zero distinction. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:54.560 That is your. 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.879 Insane to me for her to go what she has said, 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:04.719 almost verbatim, the humanitarian crisis in Gaza is so sad 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.200 as if it were a hurricane that went through. Okay, 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.399 that it was completely out of our control. It's just 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:13.000 so sad and so horrible what's happening. And then in 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.200 the same breath say, I support Israel one hundred percent, 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.040 and it's right to defend itself, defend itself from whom. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.639 The bombs that they're dropping on innocent civilians in Gaza, 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.440 it makes no sense, but it makes sense if you 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.679 realize that APAC has given her millions of dollars. A 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.639 pack is technically, legally in America a lobby group, but 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.600 really they're a foreign agent. They're a foreign agent that 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.560 is in line with only Israel's interest, and they are 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.840 single handedly responsible for turning this place into the United 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.800 States of Israel. They have managed to get laws passed 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.720 that only benefit laws in America that only benefit the 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.359 State of Israel, like anti boycott laws. So and she's 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.080 funded by these people, she gets she has gotten more 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.960 money from APAC than Trump has. And I'm not saying 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.399 Trump's a good guy. I'm just saying that she's not 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.080 this savior that's going to come and save us from Trump. 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.280 She's just taking us down a different path to the 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:14.200 same hell. Hers is just prettier and is blue. That's it, 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.479 And she might get us there slower. But there's nothing 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.840 about what she's saying that actually shows to us that 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.440 she wants to stop the killing, actually provide self determination. 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.840 Because if she cared about the self determination of Palestinians, 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.400 she would want to stop the settlements, the illegals Raeli 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.360 settlements that are happening across the West Bank. She would 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.280 want to stop Israel Gaza from being demolished so they 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.840 can actually rebuild. Right now, it's uninhabitable. It's just like, 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.959 there's no way you can't live there right now. So 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:47.320 what about what she's allegedly saying proves to me that 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.880 she actually cares. Right now, it's an election season. She's 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.879 supposed to be saying the things that get her elected, 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:59.159 right she is saying things that to us show that 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.800 she does not care about the Arab American vote, She 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.800 does not care about the progressive vote. She does not 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:09.440 actually care about ending the thing that we are most 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:13.320 complicit in, which is genocide. So it kind of doesn't 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.320 matter to me if you come to me with a 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:17.880 list of all of her accomplishments, if she has any 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.400 and says, oh, but look look what she did. She's 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.520 lowered taxes. Does that matter if she commits genocide? And 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.040 she is, because this is not the Biden administration. It 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.760 is the Biden Harris administration. It's not like she's not 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.760 in office and she's running for office. She's already in office. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.520 She has the second highest position in office. So to 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.240 tell me that she's not currently complicit is insane. And again, 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:41.560 she's not using any of her words to prove otherwise. 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.400 She unequivocally stands with Israel and has stated as such. 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:50.600 So what about her makes her better? In that she's 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.720 again I don't like Trump. He uses Palestine as a 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:57.919 slur he uses our name is a slur. But what 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.600 about her? She's the one currently camitting genocide, That's all 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:03.720 I got to say. And we created the United Nations 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.359 to stop genocide. Like that's the line, right, isn't that 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:09.399 the line? Hey, we're not going to support people who 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.320 commit genocide? So does it matter? Like how many good 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:15.000 things does she have to do to equate the fact 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:16.520 that she's still committing genocide? 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.200 So what we're going to do is we're going to 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.040 talk more about that in the next part of the show, 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.920 because that's what the whole next part of the show 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.159 is dedicated to. How do we kind of reconcile the 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.359 position that we're in with the things that we want. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:36.919 And I feel like you can give us some insight 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:38.919 into the mind of a Palestinian person and how that 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.000 must feel. That's something that we can provide. I do 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.880 want to also add to the APAC thing that they 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.679 spent a lot of money to oust a lot of 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:51.440 really good candidates, and really specific primarily black. 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.080 They want in some cases and they lost in some 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:53.760 other cases. 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.920 So we got a lot to talk about and it's 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.560 going to be heavy, But before we get there, let's 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.000 talk about our way Black History fact. Today's Way Black 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:06.200 History factice sponsored by Major Threads for innovative, fashionable sportswear. 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:10.320 Checkmajor threads dot com. Today's reading comes from Politico and 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.840 we're talking about tipping. 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