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Speaker 1: Welcome, we have Sean Michael's coming up WWE superstar, two

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Speaker 1: time Hall of Famer. Really cool for me, I'm a

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Speaker 1: wrestling fan. I feel like a little bit though. Before

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Speaker 1: we get into the masters, I should tell you what

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Speaker 1: certain words mean for you non wrestling fans. Bloyd Eddie,

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Speaker 1: thank you? Like selling something? Do you know what that means?

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Speaker 3: No? No, okay.

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Speaker 1: If you were to sell a move, it's to sell

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Speaker 1: how much it hurts or or the impact of that move.

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Speaker 1: Like if I were to close line you and you

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Speaker 1: just went you You didn't sell it very hard. Oh okay,

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Speaker 1: but if I closed line the crap out of you

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Speaker 1: and I, yes, you sold it, that's selling, got it? Okay?

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Speaker 1: H Do you know what a heel is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the bad guy. Correct, Like he's a design

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Speaker 3: to be the bad guy. What's the opposite of a

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Speaker 3: bad guy the hero?

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Speaker 1: No, dang it. So a face, a baby face, and

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Speaker 1: a heel. So I'll talk to Sean Michaels about turning

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Speaker 1: seeing a heel, which he had never been in the

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Speaker 1: history of his career. But that's that term. Heel means

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Speaker 1: a bad guy. So selling heel. Trying to think anything

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Speaker 1: else because we just finished the interview. You talk about babyface, Well, no,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about heel. I just wanted you to

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Speaker 1: know the opposite of that.

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Speaker 3: Now, I know that forever now.

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Speaker 1: When I think about the Masters yesterday, I feel like

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Speaker 1: Rory was the baby face. Andy Schambeau was the heel.

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Speaker 1: But not everybody felt that way.

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Speaker 3: No, not according to the roars.

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Speaker 1: No, I feel like the roars were very Rory. Really

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Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, did you even watch it?

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Speaker 3: I watched the first two their first two holes, and

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Speaker 3: then I had to go to basketball. Oh so then

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Speaker 3: you have I watched on my phone. Yeah, now, but

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Speaker 3: I didn't watch it. Watch it. They would love to watch.

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Speaker 1: They were roaring Rory big time because Deschamba blew it.

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Speaker 1: After the first hole, You're like, he's in it, and

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Speaker 3: Because you're walking that entire round and you're not even

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm sure he was so frustrated. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Deschambeau was not the baby face yesterday. I'm not even

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Speaker 1: You didn't watch It's Kevin? Did you watch it?

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Speaker 1: Whenever Rory was walking up eighteen and Jim Nance was

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Speaker 1: up and Jim Nance is like on the eighteenth Rory

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Speaker 1: Nance's like when Rory was growing up, you know, we

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Speaker 7: Ended a trap right after Jim said all that, and

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Speaker 7: he was like, dang it, Rory, come on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Like that was like the one where they're in

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Speaker 1: and all he has to do is par the hole. Yep,

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Speaker 1: And it does feel like possibly he's going to par

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Speaker 1: that drive was awesome, so he hadn't won yet, but

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Speaker 1: And you know what odds are even when he got

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Speaker 1: That a five foot putt. Yeah, that was like the

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Speaker 7: And no, that's the first thing I thought about. I

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Speaker 1: When he missed that putt. Yeah, I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: I was rooting for Rory a big time because I

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Speaker 1: of money pool experiences. One I was just betting on

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Speaker 1: it on DraftKings, and then because I bet Rory to

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Speaker 1: Once the odds dropped where Justin Rose was the favorite,

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Speaker 1: I jumped back on Rory. So I made about a

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Speaker 6: Nice.

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Speaker 1: Although I was a little scared after he missed that putt.

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Speaker 1: I thought, no chance because the momentum was not with him. No.

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Speaker 1: It it was such a choke. It's such a choke

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Speaker 1: now to be he unchoked hard on the eighteenth, which

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Speaker 1: they replayed, and that was awesome. Oh, I felt so

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Speaker 1: bad for him, But I was rootined for Rory. But

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Speaker 1: to see everybody's hands go up on their head when

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Speaker 1: he missed that putt in slow motion because they re

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Speaker 1: showed him missed the putt and everybody or they did

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Speaker 1: the what do they call it, the cobra, the resting

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Speaker 1: cobra where they put their hands on the head and

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Speaker 1: their elbows go out. That was maybe one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest miss putt chokes I've ever seen.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the whole day was just such a golf though.

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Speaker 7: Rory had two unbelievable shots.

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Speaker 6: Then he went in the water. Then he missed the putt,

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Speaker 6: but then then he ends up.

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Speaker 1: On like fifteen or sixteen that shot he hit into

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Speaker 1: the water. It was like an eighty eight yard pitch.

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Speaker 1: That was bad. That's not golf. If you're a pro,

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. He is us.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Well, that's like.

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Speaker 3: When Jordan Speed, like a few years ago, he chili dipped,

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Speaker 3: like would you never see a pro chili dip? But

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Speaker 3: it was the Masters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a tough one. I'm glad Roy won.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I won. I will give a big shout

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Speaker 1: out to Read because come on, baby, Reid ends up

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Speaker 1: betting on Justin Rose before where so this was he

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Speaker 8: And then he dipped down to like ninth or tenth

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Speaker 8: and it was plus seven thousand. I was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: And he did and he hit us up and he goes,

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Speaker 1: should I cash out? And I immediately went yes, because

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Speaker 1: his fifty bucks made you how much?

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Speaker 8: Fifteen hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: So he cashed out, thank god, because Rose ended up

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Speaker 1: losing in the playoff. Yeah, but Reid has the Midas touched.

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Speaker 8: I don't understand. I don't understand what happens. Honestly, the

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Speaker 8: cash out. I cashed out right when he made at

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Speaker 8: like fifteen foot birdie putt. But if I would have

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Speaker 8: waited until Rory missed his putt, just what I'm telling.

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Speaker 9: What the cash out.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, proud of myself.

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Speaker 6: You did great.

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Speaker 1: You have to stop doing that, becau. It's like good thing.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: It was like after I cashed out, my butt was

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Speaker 1: still puss watchality and I'm like, no, it wasn't you

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Speaker 1: already catched out. It wasn't puckered. You're good, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know. But you also want ten dollars from all

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Speaker 1: of us for the basketball for Florida.

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Speaker 6: I forgot about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to tell you that I won.

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Speaker 5: He did.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't even know he won. That's so annoying about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't even know he won.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess I did.

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Speaker 6: Have you won the Natty Florida, right, Yeah, let's go Gators.

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Speaker 1: That's so you randomly picked.

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Speaker 8: That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So we all owe you ten bucks from that, all right?

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Speaker 1: But it was a really it was a really good masters.

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Speaker 7: That was the most I've been into a golf match

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Speaker 1: My expectation was watching one Thursday, watch No One Friday,

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Speaker 1: of it on Sunday. But because the Rory and Bryson

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Speaker 1: and then I just stayed with it because Rory had

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Speaker 1: That's what's crazy that he didn't want a master or

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Speaker 9: You're gonna live it up.

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Speaker 8: Just soak it all in.

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Speaker 1: Man, moving to Saint Louis.

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Speaker 8: Moving to Saint Louis. How close is that to Branson?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's just us. Yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 8: I have no idea what the losses?

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Speaker 3: It's my favorite time of the year.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna watch everything.

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Speaker 3: It's a weird thing. So my kids do tournament basketball, right,

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Speaker 3: every game they play. However, if they win on Saturday,

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Speaker 3: But my kid won. He won the championship, all right,

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Speaker 1: It was the best Masters in ten years.

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Speaker 7: Oh since like Tiger, I guess since Tiger wanted just

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Speaker 3: Thank you, guys. I already heard your recount.

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Speaker 3: You didn't understand, man.

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Speaker 1: I did bet one of your UFC parley legs.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Did you hit no?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 3: So you didn't do the parlay. You just picked the one.

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Speaker 1: So I knew the Michael Chandler fight. That's only one

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Speaker 3: Did you watch it?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 3: You didn't buy it?

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Speaker 3: It was terrible because like my parlay was the first

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Speaker 1: Did you watch all of it?

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Speaker 1: Had a Chandler fight terrible?

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Speaker 3: It went. It was weird because he when he walked

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Speaker 1: I saw Patty the Baddy, I don't know, fighting like

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Speaker 3: No, because some guys they just like you know, they

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Speaker 1: Big ones, they're always John or somebody swinging. That's always

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Speaker 9: I don't know that one.

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Speaker 1: I think the promotion is still performative, yeah, even boxing,

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise after they do all this, they talk so much

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Speaker 1: So I'm surprised you're so naive.

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Speaker 1: And that's okay. But I'm saying the ones where they

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Speaker 3: Up disrespecting each other is what they say. He disrespected

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Speaker 1: The Parks are one of the Masters. Not only do

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Speaker 1: gold medal, it says Masters.

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Speaker 3: And gold is like up right now it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna melt it down and sell it, but.

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Speaker 9: I do hear you, Celtic.

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Speaker 1: They have the honor of getting to choose the menu

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Speaker 1: for the following year's Masters Champion dinner. You get a

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Speaker 1: permanent invite to that dinner.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean they choose the menu?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, every year.

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Speaker 3: So like, if I win, I can say, like, we're

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Speaker 3: all eating pizza.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a new story. Every year they show

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Speaker 1: the menu of the person that won the year before

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Speaker 1: and all they pick because I.

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Speaker 8: Think Scheffler did like burgers or something.

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Speaker 1: And confetti ca Yeah, oh that's cool. You get to

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Speaker 1: pick the menu. The wives of the winners are unofficially

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Speaker 1: designated the recipients of a locket in the shape of

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Speaker 1: the Master's logo. You have an honorary lifetime membership to

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Speaker 1: Augusta National access to champions locker room. You also get

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Speaker 1: the Champion's Driving Range, which I talked about last week.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Winners permanently qualify for the Masters and receive automatic invites

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Speaker 1: for the next five years to the Open, the British Open,

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Speaker 1: the PGA Championship, and as far as the money goes,

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Speaker 1: it goes up every year. I think four point two

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Speaker 1: million was what it was yesterday. Four point three If

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Speaker 1: you win it, that's pretty legit.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you could still come in fiftieth and win like

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Speaker 8: fifty grand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta make the cut. Whoever makes the cut

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Speaker 3: makes money crazy.

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Speaker 1: I think they may now have because of lip started

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Speaker 1: to pay in some events non cut makers because people

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Speaker 1: were like, welly am I going to go play? Because

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Speaker 1: you spend all your own money. PJA doesn't pay for anything,

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Speaker 1: So you have to find your own housing and get

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Speaker 1: to pay for everything.

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Speaker 3: It's not like you're touring so but you have sponsors

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Speaker 3: that's why you wear the.

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Speaker 1: But you can tour and have sponsors too, like they

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Speaker 1: can pay for your bus, but everything has to be

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Speaker 1: accounted for. Nobody's paying for it, Like a sponsor just

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Speaker 1: goes I'll pay you this amount of money to wear stuff.

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Speaker 1: But you have to figure out. You have to allocate

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Speaker 1: all the money yourself, so you have to pay for everything.

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Speaker 1: You're basically just an employee of yourself. What do you

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Speaker 1: call those sure that whatever you're going to say, contract,

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Speaker 1: thank you depend a contractor. So if you do all

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Speaker 1: that and you still don't make the cut and you

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Speaker 1: make no money, you're like, I just spent all this time,

484
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Speaker 1: and Live was paying their players bucket loads of money.

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Speaker 1: So there was a rule change and modification for some

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Speaker 1: maybe not all that. Everybody got paid even if you

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Speaker 1: missed the cut, Like if you were invited to play

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Speaker 1: in the tournament, you got paid.

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Speaker 3: Your expenses were at least you're a pro.

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Speaker 1: So we're still going to pay you since you played professional.

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Speaker 6: Did you see the kid pee in the river?

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Speaker 1: I saw on the practice round, the Arizona State kid

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Speaker 1: who peed in the river. It was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: For a second, his hat. He also had the riding

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Speaker 1: upside down on his head and that was a big

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Speaker 1: deal too.

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they just look for things to make big deals

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Speaker 1: out up before it starts.

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Speaker 6: But there was a practice round. It wasn't even the first.

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Speaker 3: It was practice rounk oh I Peter pell Beach. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but that's not the Masters, that's not the river.

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Speaker 9: In the ocean, cool.

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Speaker 3: Cliff, No, somebody's backyard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh different, my man. Different. We do have Sean

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Speaker 1: Michael's coming up, so we'll get to him. Russell Mania

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Speaker 1: is this weekend Friday and Saturday, but also n XT,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of the version I would say, like

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Speaker 1: the minor league baseball, college football of the WWE. They

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Speaker 1: have a big event that day. We'll talk to him

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Speaker 1: in a second. But let's I mean, we can look

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Speaker 1: at the parlay. I do have it up here now,

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Speaker 1: the DraftKings parlay. You picked Chandler over pa. Oh you

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Speaker 1: did one point five rounds?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I got at two point five and

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Speaker 3: it was two point five at the start of the fight.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't better if I didn't know that's what and

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Speaker 1: you still hit it.

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Speaker 3: We hit it by like twenty seconds, thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, Wait, but you bet one point five, so you

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Speaker 1: hit a big time.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, that was part of the parlay. But I

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Speaker 3: lost that parlay, so I had to rebet it.

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Speaker 1: Diego Lopez he lost, and Love lost. Those are two people.

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Speaker 3: Diego Lopez close fight. I think he could have won it.

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Speaker 3: He was close to in it, but he lost. Man

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Speaker 3: that first one, he got knocked out, so no chance

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Speaker 3: to win that one.

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Speaker 1: We can build NBA parlay hawks at Magic. This is

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Dude, I don't even know who wants to

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Speaker 1: play anymore because I watched the Lakers and Warriors and

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Speaker 1: now the Lakers are the three and they're playing Minnesota

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Speaker 1: as the six. That's a fun series. That's almost a

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Speaker 1: great Yeah, it's almost too tough for the Lakers. You

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Speaker 1: kind of wish the Lakers had a better draw so

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Speaker 1: they could last a little longer, because you would hate

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Speaker 1: to see Lebron and Luca go down first. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a Lakers fan, but I like to see bigger teams

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Speaker 1: and bigger shots. Hawks at Magic. I don't, dude, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Just go Hawks, Man, no magic, magic but

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Speaker 1: magic five and a half point listen, I literally don't care.

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Speaker 1: See you can make it at a Hawks and Magic

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Speaker 1: Magic at five and a half point five.

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Speaker 3: I like Trey Young, Let's just go Hawks.

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Speaker 1: So you're taking the points Hawks plus five and a

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Speaker 1: half Okay, Grizz Warriors Warriors six and a half point favorites?

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Speaker 3: Talking to you, Eddie, you all you want me to

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Speaker 3: pick that one too?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: I like the Grizz. Let's go with the home team.

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Speaker 1: I'd probably go Grizz too, just because the Warriors don't

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Speaker 1: really have anything to play for right now. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: we're going two underdogs with the points. Some such dice tosses,

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Speaker 1: especially this late. It's like Week eighteen of NFL.

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Speaker 3: Where you're like, I don't know, Man.

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Speaker 1: Over under Hawks and Magic over to sixteen.

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Speaker 2: slash audio. So it's very exciting. We're gonna talk to it.

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Speaker 2: Two time WWE Hall of Fame wrestler Shawn Michaels. He's

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Speaker 2: been in twice, once as a member of Degeneration X,

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Speaker 2: which by the way, got a lot of kids in

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Speaker 2: trouble back in the day.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean, Yeah, they didn't suck yea, he

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Speaker 1: did that thing. We have to keep Eddy away from

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Speaker 1: any wrestling tik man.

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Speaker 3: My kids did that. The other day and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you can know what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: But that was like when we were younger.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're still doing it. Kids still do it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they just were just saying sucking to say it.

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Speaker 1: Probably Sean is one of the most memorable guys ever

588
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Speaker 1: to wrestle, but he's no an executive and he runs

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Speaker 1: NXT some graduates of NXT and he talks about this

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Speaker 1: Roman reigned seth Rollins. Big thanks to Shawn Michaels for

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Speaker 1: coming on. You can check them out on social media

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Speaker 1: at Shawn Michaels. Here he is Shawn Michaels. Hey, Shawn,

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Speaker 1: first off, thanks for the time man, big fan.

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Speaker 9: My pleasure. Thank you very much for having me.

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Speaker 1: We were fortunate enough to go to Stone Colds house.

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Speaker 1: He invited us out and we spent the day with him.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we've we have been pretty lucky with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of professional wrestlers that have come on. And

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Speaker 1: I've been a wrestling fan for a long time. And

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Speaker 1: my you know, my takeaway as always when I see

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Speaker 1: someone do a move that I know hurts, yet you

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Speaker 1: still have to continue to wrestle. Like I saw bron

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Speaker 1: Breaker Spear, somebody of the day and one of the

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Speaker 1: hardest spears I've ever seen, Like like that has to

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Speaker 1: hurt so bad that I don't know how you're able

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Speaker 1: to bounce back so quickly even though that has to hurt,

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Speaker 1: because you know when a move like that's gonna hit,

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Speaker 1: it's going to hurt, right.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely well, I'll say this, it's staggering what the human

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Speaker 4: body capable of and what you get used to. We

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Speaker 4: it's just it's it's our normal, to be perfectly honest,

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Speaker 4: and I think any football player would kind of tell

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Speaker 4: you the same thing, but it really is.

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Speaker 9: It's it's staggering what your body becomes used to.

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Speaker 4: And we always talk about like it's almost as if

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Speaker 4: it becomes calloused over time. And that's why even when

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Speaker 4: later on in my career, when I was older, you know,

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Speaker 4: I had I guess what would be termed as a

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Speaker 4: lighter schedule, so to speak, but that was still one

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty times a year because doing it more

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Speaker 4: often was actually easier to me than just doing it

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Speaker 4: once in a while, because the shortest did set in.

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Speaker 9: It does you know you you you you.

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Speaker 4: Sort of your body calms down, it refreshes, it recuperates,

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Speaker 4: it recovers that was actually a longer process and more

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Speaker 4: painful process to me than just doing it consistently until

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Speaker 4: you decided you were done.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that there is a difference in selling

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Speaker 1: really well and then over selling especially finishers? What's the

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Speaker 1: line there?

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Speaker 9: Well, look, I.

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Speaker 4: Will say this, the business has changed so much, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's interesting, you know, use the word over

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Speaker 4: selling and back again in the nineties, somebody like a

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Speaker 4: mister perfect Kurt Hennick, who obviously I sort of you know,

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Speaker 4: used his style from a selling standpoint, I think in

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Speaker 4: this day and age he would be considered an overseller.

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Speaker 4: But it was very visual. It was very appealing, you know,

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Speaker 4: the same the way that I sold in the nineties,

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Speaker 4: Dolf Ziegler, you know, Billy Gunn. They were all very

641
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Speaker 4: visual sellers in my opinion, But I don't know how

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Speaker 4: that would be received this day and age. A lot

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Speaker 4: has changed over the years. I think also with MMA

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Speaker 4: being around, our business had to evolve and sort of

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Speaker 4: replicate what I think people received, as you know, legitimately.

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Speaker 9: Painful or not.

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Speaker 4: And so I think as this continues to grow and

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Speaker 4: evolve and change, our business is going to continue to

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Speaker 4: do that. I think, And I don't know if that's

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Speaker 4: the you know, the question you were asking, or if

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00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 4: it's more so, like you said, too many people doing

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00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 4: too many moves that were once considered a finisher and

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Speaker 4: then moving on quickly after that.

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Speaker 9: So it's you know, the business.

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Speaker 4: Goes through that all the time. Old timers like me

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Speaker 4: often talk about all these kids today they don't sell

657
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Speaker 4: anything like we did. But at the same time, I

658
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Speaker 4: also remember people saying that to me, so that also

659
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 4: is generational. And uh, I think you have to change

660
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 4: with the times. Football and basketball, baseball, they all need

661
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 4: to be faster than they once were to keep an

662
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 4: audience entertained and locked in, and our business.

663
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Speaker 9: Is no different.

664
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Speaker 1: I was watching Kevin no One's talk about the stunner

665
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Speaker 1: and how there are certain people that can sell the

666
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: stunner really well, and some people like do backflips out

667
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: of it. And there's a fine line in selling the

668
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: stunner because it's supposed to be a finisher and you're

669
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: supposed to react, but some go too far. And I

670
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: guess that was my question, but I think you answered

671
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: it perfectly. But also and I'm just pulling up things

672
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Speaker 1: like I was listening to Undertaker talk about how sometimes

673
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: the finisher is used, yet some of the new generation

674
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: doesn't respect that it should mean you're finished. Like, what's

675
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: the fine line with you guys, because again you're the

676
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: creatives behind it. Is there ever a meeting where it's like, hey, look,

677
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: if we're gonna, you know, use this finisher, they kind

678
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: of need to be done because too many kickouts after

679
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: the finisher means it's not actually a finisher.

680
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So look, I think we go through phases and

681
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 4: peaks and valles in that to where you are looking

682
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 4: to give your fans the most for their entertainment dollar,

683
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: and nine times out of ten.

684
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 9: That's excitement, that's movement.

685
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 4: Certainly from an NXT standpoint, we don't have the equity

686
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: in our superstars that a main roster, a raw or

687
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: a SmackDown hacks a viewer is not. You know, might

688
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: not watch an NXT upstart who's been doing this for

689
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: six months as long as they're going to watch Kevin Owens,

690
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: and so that young superstar will probably have to move

691
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 4: faster and do more exciting things to keep that viewer invested.

692
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: But at the same time you want to teach them

693
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Speaker 4: and keep the integrity of the business.

694
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 9: So look, you might.

695
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 4: Begin to give them a little leeway, and usually what

696
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 4: happens is we do that, but then after a while

697
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: it goes too far and then we reel and have

698
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: to rain everybody back in. And so that's just something

699
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: you have to keep your fingers on the pulse of.

700
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: And and that's something I think that's that's going on now,

701
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: you know, I think everybody you know, especially you know

702
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: my finisher, the super kick or again, I'm now understanding

703
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: that a super kick is one thing, but sweet chin music,

704
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: that's a finisher. So I think when you get into

705
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 4: those types of things, if you want to keep the integrity.

706
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 9: Of the move.

707
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 4: You know, obviously we want that to always be noteworthy,

708
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 4: but I think you have to kind of call those

709
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 4: as you see them, and and and hopefully that the

710
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: fan base appreciates and understands that.

711
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: I was watching some of the MMA this past weekend,

712
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: and I think it traditionally Dana White gives a bonus

713
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: or if you perform really well. Obviously sometimes if it's

714
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: so great, you get a bump quicker with NXT and

715
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: especially at standard deliver, well, you guys like watch tape

716
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: regardless of who wins or loses and go, man, they

717
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: really performed at a level that is so high, maybe

718
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Speaker 1: we give them a shot earlier than we thought we

719
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Speaker 1: were going.

720
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 4: To absolutely again, Stand and Deliver much like WrestleMania, that's.

721
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 9: Where you can you can turn your career.

722
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 4: Around in one match, in one moment, and so absolutely

723
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: and then when it comes to bonuses, those are things

724
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: that especially I think from an NXT standpoint, you know,

725
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: we have a lot of multi person matches at Stand

726
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: and Deliver and look, a lot of people don't like that, but.

727
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 9: These young men and women work throughout the entire year.

728
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: Not all of them get an opportunity to be on pls,

729
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: to be on those you know, road shows, to be

730
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: on those televisions that are on the road that we've

731
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 4: been doing so much more of lately. And so we

732
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 4: want to give as many people as we can an

733
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: opportunity to perform on the biggest weekend. That's the reason

734
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: people get into this line of work is to have

735
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: that experience, to have those moments, and we're hoping that

736
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: you know, we have a lot of standouts come Stand

737
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: and Deliver on Saturday, April nineteenth. I think it's something

738
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 4: that we definitely keep an eye on, and anytime there's

739
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: a performance or somebody.

740
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 9: That just goes above and beyond, whether it's.

741
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: In a match or just throughout the entire year, we

742
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 4: try to take care of them as much as possible.

743
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: On Peacock Stand and Deliver will be streamed. WrestleMania Night

744
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: one is also that night when do you have a

745
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: favorite WrestleMania moment?

746
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: So I am very fortunate to have quite a few,

747
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: perfectly honest. You know, I always go from the ladder

748
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 4: match at WrestleMania ten, where I thought, you know, where

749
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 4: I felt like I put myself on the map as

750
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: a real main event player winning your first World championship.

751
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 4: But then I you know, I'm very proud of my

752
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: matches with Kurt angle with Rick Flair, and obviously my

753
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 4: two with the Undertaker. I've just been so fortunate to

754
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 4: have a lot of really, uh fantastic performances that I'm

755
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: really proud of at WrestleMania, And like I said, that's

756
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: what that's I don't know, I kind of feel like I,

757
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 4: you know, built my career on you know, hence the

758
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: names to WrestleMania on those moments and those matches so

759
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: very fortunate to have quite a few, and it's always

760
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 4: hard to narrow it down to one.

761
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: I have friends that have been in bands or even

762
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: in duos and they end up going solo and music,

763
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: and it's because that's what they really wanted to do.

764
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: But also there is a transition period for you. What

765
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: was maybe what you didn't I don't know what you

766
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: had to learn most when you did go solo, being

767
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: a superstar by yourself, not an attack team man a lot.

768
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 9: I gotta be honest, I was able to. Really it

769
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 9: took me.

770
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 4: Time to transition from I felt like I was always

771
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 4: a good worker, a good you know, a good wrestler

772
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 4: within the ropes. I think learning the character side and

773
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: then learning I don't know, the creative and the storyline

774
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 4: side of that, and being able to lose myself and

775
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: that creatively is what made the difference and separated me,

776
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: you know, from just being another singles superstar and somebody

777
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 4: that would be in the mix on a regular basis.

778
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 4: I think performing those storylines, being in those storylines, being

779
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: able to make them compelling, interesting, and then having.

780
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 9: The matches to be able to back it up and.

781
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 4: Tie all those things together in the ring at one time,

782
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 4: I think, is you know, where I was able to

783
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 4: you know, set myself apart, and that was something that

784
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 4: again I learned along the way. But I think, you know,

785
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: it's funny, ironically, I always talk about WrestleMania nine there

786
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 4: in Vegas, when I defended the Intercontinent Championship in the

787
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 4: first match, but then I kind of went into a

788
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: storyline on that show with Mister Perfect.

789
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 9: It was kind of one of my.

790
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: First backstage attacks and something like that, and I think

791
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 4: that was my first sort of, you.

792
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 9: Know, step into that.

793
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: Being more than just a regular wrestler on TV, just

794
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: another guy that was filling a segment. And that's what

795
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: I think superstars want to become. They want to be

796
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: somebody that's regularly in the mix and part of very

797
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: significant and important storylines within a raw or a SmackDown.

798
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: And I felt like that's something that I started to

799
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 4: embark on at WrestleMania nine and did my best to

800
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 4: build on from that point on.

801
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: I was trying to explain to a friend what n

802
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: XT is before we talk about Standard Deliver. I guess

803
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: my analogy was college football to the NFL. Well, is

804
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: that fair?

805
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: Yeah?

806
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's pretty accurate. That's certainly how I

807
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 4: describe it. Certainly, look at us as here at nxc

808
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: BE and uh, you know, University of Alabama or or

809
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: Ohio State, you know, somebody that's obviously dominant, but exactly

810
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 4: you know that level before you uh you know, make

811
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 4: it to the NFL.

812
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 9: And to me, that's what's so cool about it.

813
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 4: You know, I'm quite frankly, I'm a I'm a huge

814
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: college football fan because you know, it's never over until

815
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 4: you know there's triple zeros.

816
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 9: On the on the time.

817
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: And again, think can happen in college football, and that's

818
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 4: the same for NXT.

819
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: And with WrestleMania coming up this weekend and it's two

820
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: nights on night one, you guys are doing standard delivery

821
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: on peacock if you're doing those events pre WrestleMania in

822
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: the past, have there been a lot of NXT guys

823
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: that are now in the last couple of WrestleManias that

824
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 1: are headliners, Like, have there been real instances of people

825
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: moving up?

826
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly. I mean we obviously throughout the draft last year.

827
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: You know, bron Breakers, you know, having his first WrestleMania

828
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: this year. Tiffany Stratton defending the World Championship against Charlotte Flair.

829
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 9: So absolutely, And look, I'll say this.

830
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 4: If you want to take a look at again Roman Reigns,

831
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: Seth Rollins, Sammy Zay, numerous others, Kevin Owens, all of

832
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: them NXT alum so to speak. So NXT has proven

833
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: that the main eventers of WrestleMania come through NXT.

834
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: Are there ever any that don't go through an XT that,

835
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: let's say, a high school player that gets automatically put

836
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: in the pros? Like, does that ever happen? Where you

837
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: find somebody that dynamic?

838
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 4: I'd have to say, Look, I don't think you're going

839
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: to find anybody that has, you know, come in untrained.

840
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 9: Now, there might be somebody that's at a very.

841
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 4: Young age where they've been out on the independent scene

842
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 4: in the wrestling world and has you know, caught a

843
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 4: huge buzz and then miraculously somebody from the main roster

844
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: sees them and wants.

845
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 9: To bring them aboard right away.

846
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 4: You might we also have people that, again have been

847
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: to other places, but they've been in the business for

848
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 4: a while. I don't think, well, it's going to be

849
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: pretty tough if we find somebody that has uh not

850
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: ever done anything in the wrestling business and then kind

851
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: of make it straight to the uh the main roster

852
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: with no wrestling experience coming out of college.

853
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: What about the difference of being a wrestler versus being

854
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: now what you are where you were one of the

855
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: greatest of all time, versus a creative and an executive,

856
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure there had to be thoughts while you're wrestling,

857
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: like man, if I could only be the creative or

858
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: the executive, things would be so different. But I'm sure

859
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: now that you have got you've come into this position,

860
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: you've learned a lot of things that maybe you didn't

861
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: know or appreciate while you're wrestling a lot.

862
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 4: First of all, I never dreamed of being anything corporate

863
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 4: or executive because I simply didn't think I could do it.

864
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 4: I didn't think that was in my makeup. I'm very fortunate.

865
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: I've always enjoyed the side. Again, you know, everybody's heard

866
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: the stories and they're very true of Hunter and I

867
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: driving up and down the road, you know, again talking

868
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: about storylines, talking about creative So the creative side was

869
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: always there. But I will say, look, some of the

870
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 4: things I have learned is that again, creative takes a

871
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: lot of heat. They take a lot of blame for

872
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 4: things that you know are not in their control. Understanding

873
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: some of the adjustments you have to make on the fly,

874
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: whether it be different personality, whether it be injuries, whether

875
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: it be all these different things that can.

876
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 9: Come your way that you're never aware of as a talent.

877
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 4: So learning that on this side has been fun, but

878
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: it's been interesting and challenging at the same time. And

879
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: I think from the corporate standpoint, doing stuff like this

880
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: and sounding I don't know, relatively intelligent has always been

881
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 4: an extreme challenge for me because again, I'm a kid

882
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 4: that wanted to be a wrestler when he was nineteen

883
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 4: and now, you know, knocking on the door of sixty,

884
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 4: and I'm still a kid at heart. But unfortunately, you know,

885
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 4: I have the task of trying to build a whole

886
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 4: brand with some great help around me. But I think

887
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: it's something and it's a task that I'm certainly ready for.

888
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: I have three questions left, and one of them I

889
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: was watching an interview with Triple H. What I find

890
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: really refreshing is that you guys will talk about the stories,

891
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: even within this story, and he was talking about the

892
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: decision to flip Sena and turn Sina Hill, and he's

893
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: talking about it already. And I can understand from a

894
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: lot of the traditional wrestling fans, and I'm one of them,

895
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: why maybe some people don't like that. I love it

896
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: because I'm able to separate the art and the artist

897
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: and the business decisions that need to be made and

898
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: the creative decisions. But for you, who's done both right?

899
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: Like you, like you said, you're a wrestler, you're old school,

900
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: but you also have to be new school. How do you, guys,

901
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: and how did you decide that you wanted to actually

902
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: incorporate what was happening behind the scenes publicly.

903
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 9: Well, we again, we started doing that.

904
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 4: And look, I know it's obviously, I guess a blot

905
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 4: on the wrestling business, but you know, with the curtain call,

906
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: but you know, we we that was something that we

907
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 4: as a group felt like many many years ago that

908
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 4: you know, wrestling fans and fans in general, they understand

909
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 4: what it is we do and I yes, but it's

910
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: still in art form. It's still something that it's to

911
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 4: be appreciated. And I think that that's the most intriguing

912
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 4: part of this line of work. Yes, I mean talk

913
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 4: about the physicality, and you touched on it earlier.

914
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 9: But I think any.

915
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 4: You know, even minded individual knows that what we do

916
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: is not easy, and so from a physical standpoint, we

917
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 4: feel like we have the respect that we need. And

918
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: so therefore you start talking about the creative side and

919
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: understanding just how intriguing and how interesting that is to

920
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: some of us. And I think it's just easier to

921
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 4: I don't know, to put that out there and also

922
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: again not insult I don't know your viewers intelligent, don't

923
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 4: do it with your superstars. We're very open, you know,

924
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 4: with this generation. I think because a lot of things

925
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: were kept so close to the vest in our generation.

926
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 4: And also I don't know, I think there were you know,

927
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 4: there's some traditionalist and purest I think it's I think

928
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 4: it can be more damaging to the to the business,

929
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 4: uh and keep it from evolving in there. I don't know,

930
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: in their wanting to, you know, try to pass it

931
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 4: off of something that it isn't. And I guess that's

932
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: the part that we've never really understood.

933
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 9: You know.

934
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 4: It's we're just speaking the truth on what is you know,

935
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 4: still a very tough, complicated interesting, exciting, compelling line of work.

936
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 4: And if you truly feel the love and passion for

937
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: it that we do, you're going to understand that. And

938
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 4: you're not going to lose anything. In fact, you might

939
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 4: find more respect for it.

940
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: Two questions left. Why is the Undertaker so revered he's loved? Why?

941
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 4: I think the way he carried himself to be perfectly

942
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 4: honest when everything's said and done, Uh, Mark was just

943
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 4: always a pro And and I think there are times

944
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 4: he went through every motion that all the rest of

945
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 4: us did, but he kept it close to the vest.

946
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 4: And and he did a lot of stuff in private

947
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: and and and I think that's that's the reason why.

948
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 4: You know, he always uh did business the right way,

949
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: had his problems, had his ups and downs, but most

950
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 4: people didn't know about it. And for that reason alone,

951
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 4: he deserves all the respect in the world. And he

952
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 4: gets it and will continue to give it, I'm sure

953
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 4: for a long long time.

954
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: My final question, you won the roller Rumble twice. When

955
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: did you know each time you were going to win?

956
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: How far out?

957
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 9: That's a heck of a question.

958
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: Is it days, weeks or at times? Will you just

959
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: find out day of or they change it?

960
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 9: Well, again, they vary.

961
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 4: But but but when it comes to a lot of things, yeah,

962
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 4: those have changed. I think the rumble the first one

963
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 4: I think was probably like a week or two in advance.

964
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 4: The second one I think was farther, you know, it

965
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: was closer to to game time. But that's one of

966
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: the things with creative, certainly, you know, depending on where

967
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 4: you're at on the card, some of those things come

968
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: down at the last minute, and as you start to

969
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 4: go up on the card, your creative gets a little

970
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 4: bit farther out in front. Obviously always understanding that anything

971
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: could change at the last minute, and sometimes often does.

972
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: Has it ever changed in the middle of the rumble though,

973
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, you go, you're number sixteen, go

974
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: down and let them know we've now changed the ending.

975
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, not ever the ending, but we did have

976
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 4: a time I think Steve's told the story before when

977
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: when Steve got eliminated in a point where he was

978
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 4: not you know, he was supposed to be a vital

979
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 4: part at the end of the end of the rumble

980
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 4: and that didn't happen. And I think also, I want

981
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 4: to say, Luger and Bread I think also had you know,

982
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 4: a miscommunication. So there's been a couple of times, but again,

983
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: that's the joy of this job, though there's been plenty

984
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 4: of times out there in the ring when you know,

985
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 4: in a world you hope you know what's going to happen,

986
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 4: it totally doesn't and you got to make get up

987
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: on the fly. And uh, again, that's what makes it

988
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 4: exciting all the time. And and you never know when

989
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 4: those things are going to happen, and then you've got

990
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: the you know, in addition to that, you've got the

991
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: trying to make that happen so people think that something

992
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 4: went wrong and then you know, you just start getting

993
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 4: yourself into a rabbit hole.

994
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 9: There of creative.

995
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: Uh.

996
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 9: That's incredibly fun and interesting.

997
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: Sean Michaels, big fan. Thanks for the time. It's been

998
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: really cool to talk with you, and I hope you

999
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: have a great week leading up to it.

1000
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much, and yeah, hell of an

1001
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: interview by the way, Thank you. There's a lot of

1002
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 4: fun for me. I appreciate it.

1003
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: Are you serious? I know, I don't know, Like what why?

1004
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 4: I don't know, because I don't know, because you're you're

1005
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 4: you're an interesting, smart wrestling fan that I don't know,

1006
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just asking questions I think from

1007
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: a different perspective, And I don't know, I always like

1008
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 4: that sometimes it's a lot of the same old, same old,

1009
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 4: and so I don't know, I appreciate you guys, you know,

1010
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 4: not making it just sort of a I don't know,

1011
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: copy and paste kind of interview.

1012
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: Would what would copy and paste? What? Like? I don't

1013
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: know what a copy and paste is? But what what

1014
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: are they copy and paste? Do they say? Like what?

1015
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 6: I don't know?

1016
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: What's a copy and paste? Question?

1017
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 9: Well? I don't know. Again, what was it? What was

1018
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 9: it like when I don't know, winning your first champions?

1019
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 9: Got it?

1020
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: Got it? Got it? Okay, that's awesome, you know what

1021
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean.

1022
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1023
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 4: I appreciate the fact also I get I guess that

1024
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 4: you're you know, you're a wrestling fan that understands both

1025
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 4: sides of it and has an appreciation.

1026
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1027
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 4: I'm always interested in compelled by the over selling and

1028
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 4: and how you guys feel about kicking out of too

1029
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 4: many things and stuff like that.

1030
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 9: Uh, you know, you.

1031
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 4: Can sort of have an idea of those things, but

1032
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 4: you know, we don't you don't get a chance to

1033
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 4: interact with people that much, and uh, I don't know

1034
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: here there hear their opinions on it.

1035
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 9: So that's interesting.

1036
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: Thanks Shawn Well. I appreciate the time, and I appreciate

1037
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: you even answering my questions about the questions I was asking.

1038
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,759
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Speaker 2: Coming up, we'll talk to John Lepley, who was my

1066
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00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,160
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1068
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1069
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00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,280
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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: So John Lepley coming up in just a little bit. Hey,

1076
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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Niko leaving Tennessee. And

1077
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,920
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1078
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1079
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,960
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1080
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,680
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1081
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,320
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1082
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,040
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00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,320
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1086
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: Now.

1087
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about holding out because I think they

1088
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: knew from what I'm reading now that he wasn't going

1089
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: to practice, Like he didn't show up, but they knew

1090
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to practice. They knew he his little brother,

1091
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: by the way, go was Arkansas quarterback. Oh really, yeah,

1092
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: year younger, maybe two years younger. So it wasn't a

1093
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: surprise to from what I have heard from people very

1094
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: close to the source that he ended up not being

1095
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: a volunteer. So when we heard it was like quarterback

1096
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: for the University of Tennessee, Nico, I'm sure to say

1097
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: his last name, but Allan As we beat him this

1098
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: year and it is awesome that he's holding out, and

1099
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: then everybody on Twitter, you can't do this, you shouldn't

1100
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: do this. Sadly you can and people are and it

1101
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: doesn't get to hold out. Some players just go, hey,

1102
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: if you don't give it to me, we're gonna leave,

1103
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: and then they leave and there's never a holdout and

1104
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: so they just get in the portal. Now think about

1105
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: spring portal as you can't travel within the conference, so

1106
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: he can't go to another SEC school. Another one of

1107
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: the things that have come out is that Dan Lanning

1108
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: at Oregon had her Nika was being shopped, so he

1109
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: called Hypel and was like, hey, Nico's dad shopping him around, which,

1110
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: by the way, it feels gross because it is gross,

1111
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: but that is absolutely allowed because that is happening with

1112
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the players on one hundred percent of

1113
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: the programs. So because you don't like it, that doesn't

1114
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: mean that it's not allowed or it's not business. He

1115
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: was getting two million or so one of four. Now,

1116
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: the business part of it is if you get it,

1117
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: that's good business. If I decide to hold out here,

1118
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm not coming into work until I get a new contract. Okay,

1119
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: that's business. Now. Is it going to work out for me?

1120
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: But if it doesn't work out for me, it's still business.

1121
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: But it was just a bad business decision. He's still

1122
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: going to get closer to the money he wants by

1123
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: going to UCLA or usc or and that's business. He's

1124
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: going to get the money he wants. It was all

1125
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: about money for him, So it sucks for Tennessee. You're

1126
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: a big balls guy, Middle Tennessee fans, big the balls.

1127
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: But it is the business of college football now and

1128
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: it's absolutely allowed. It is within the sandbox that is allowed.

1129
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: Is it broken? Yes, But we need stories like this.

1130
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 7: But how long until you think they fix it? We've

1131
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 7: talked about this for a couple of years now. You've

1132
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 7: always said day one, it's got to hit rock bottom

1133
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 7: to be able to fix it, and it the bigger

1134
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 7: the stories are, the more rock bottom it feels. And

1135
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 7: this is pretty rock bottom. I think it is the

1136
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 7: timing of it too, Maybe both just late in the spring,

1137
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 7: you know, you're like really now.

1138
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: And a big program. So here's who can fix it?

1139
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: Not the nc DOUBLEA. The NCAA didn't want any of

1140
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: this to happen, so people are blaming the nc DOUBLEA.

1141
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: N CUBA didn't want to pay anybody. They lost the

1142
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: Supreme Court case, the Obannon case of the video game.

1143
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: That's what allowed all of this within IOL. So what's

1144
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: going to have to happen is it's going to have

1145
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: to be such a disaster that there are going to

1146
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: be folks that lobby the lawmakers in order to make

1147
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: the laws different. This is not an easy fix by

1148
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: a school or the NCAA, or it would be fixed already.

1149
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: NCUBA don't want to pay anybody, The schools don't want

1150
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: to be held hostage. Or four million dollars, five million dollars,

1151
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars. In basketball, you're seeing it too,

1152
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: where there are coaches going kid averages four points a

1153
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: game once two hundred thousand dollars, Like that's happening all

1154
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: the time. The reason this story hits so big is

1155
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: because one, it was a whole lot of money and

1156
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: it was a big program. But the same exact situation

1157
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: is happening all over the country, just not as much

1158
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: money or as big a program. So this is not

1159
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: an anomaly. This is everywhere. And I don't feel bad for

1160
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: Nico because if you make a business decision, you have

1161
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: to now deal with the consequences of it. He didn't

1162
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: do anything illegal, He did nothing wrong. Now, you could

1163
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: be a college football fan and purists like I feel

1164
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: like I am, but I also understand the current environment

1165
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: of athletes have been screwed over for fifty years and

1166
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: not making money, so the pendulum has swung the complete

1167
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: opposite way now. But how it's going to change is

1168
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: going to be the lawmakers changing it, not the nc DOUBLEA.

1169
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: They've lost all their power, not the schools. If they

1170
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: go no, they're just not going to get the athletes.

1171
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: Then they're not going to make the revenue, and without

1172
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: the revenue, they're not going to pay for anything. And

1173
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: it's a revenue base model.

1174
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I don't think the NCUBA even cares to

1175
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 6: be honest.

1176
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: I think the NCAA cares a ton that they lost

1177
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: the ability, well that yes, to actually do anything about it.

1178
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, that but at this point they're kind of like

1179
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 7: handed tied to b hinterback. We mess this up now, Yes,

1180
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 7: now it's just like, you know what, no matter what,

1181
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 7: people are going to watch, whether wherever Nico goes, they're

1182
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 7: still going to watch. Vals fans are going to be

1183
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 7: Valls fans, and they'll move on. But it's just not

1184
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 7: a good look.

1185
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: But I believe there can also be a slow deterioration.

1186
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: We still have a baseball. Baseball slowly sucked and I

1187
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: love baseball, but it was not people just stopped watching.

1188
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: The product just got worse. The lockout. You don't think

1189
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: the lockouts are baseball terribly. I mean, had it not

1190
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: been for Sosa Maguire's home run Chase, I don't know,

1191
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: baseball would have bounced back five, six, seven years.

1192
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1193
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: So the hey, they're just going to watch because they're

1194
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: fans of X, Y and Z. That's fun. But two

1195
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: to three percent this person doesn't watch it as much

1196
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: that it does. After years start to accumulate to the

1197
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: point of we have accumulated so many people that do

1198
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: not watch as much as they used to. It does

1199
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: affect the product. Yeah, but that's when people are gonna

1200
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: have to step in like these lawmakers, because the only

1201
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: reason politicians change rules or laws is for money. This

1202
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 1: is a very money based situation. Nico didn't do anything wrong.

1203
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: Nico made a terrible decision and now he's gonna have

1204
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: to suffer the consequences. Except he's not because he's still

1205
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: going to get more money at a different school than

1206
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: he was getting at Tennessee. So he actually did it

1207
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: right according to the sandboxer are allowed to play in.

1208
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just feel kind of bad for him. I

1209
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 7: know it's his decision, but he's kind of like, now

1210
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 7: the whole world is on his back watching and wherever

1211
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 7: he goes, wherever that may. And he's a hell of

1212
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 7: a player, but it's just gonna be hard to recover

1213
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 7: from that.

1214
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: I feel pretty bad for him. Yeah, because he obviously

1215
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: so he redshirted. He was a retro freshman last year,

1216
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: so he's twenty and twenty one. He obviously has his

1217
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: dad or whomever guiding him in a direction. He's also

1218
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: an adult, but he's a very young adult. Yeah, I

1219
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: do feel bad for him, Yeah, as bad as you

1220
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: felt for somebody who's twenty. It's going to make three

1221
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: four million.

1222
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 6: Bucks, I know. I get that part of it. But

1223
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, like.

1224
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 7: He really wherever, whether it's usc some people were saying

1225
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 7: ucla kind of thing. If he goes there and just

1226
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 7: kills it, then he'll be able.

1227
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 6: To shut everybody up for sure. But if he doesn't,

1228
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 6: then it's just like told you, well.

1229
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna find out the value at as far as

1230
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: what the school is going to pay him, and then

1231
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: we're going to watch the performance to go. I wonder

1232
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: if it's worth three and a half million dollars. What's

1233
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: interesting to me is the kid at Vegas UNLV just

1234
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: dropped out midway through the season because he wasn't getting

1235
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: his nil money. And everybody's like, ah, we hate him,

1236
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: we hate him. Don't remember his name, no, but we'll

1237
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: remember this because one, he has a cool name.

1238
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 10: Ko.

1239
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a cool name and to a much bigger,

1240
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: high profile program. But this other dude dropped at mid season.

1241
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: Had Nico dropped out mid season, this had been a

1242
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: nuclear bomb, way bigger than this. Oh yeah, so this

1243
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: is business. And also, let's imagine this is the only

1244
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: time he gets to make money playing football. Why not

1245
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: make his the most you possibly can In the years

1246
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: that you can. I'm not gonna hate anybody for trying

1247
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: to get the most money they can get. Now, I

1248
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: love college football, and you're like, oh, it's ruining it, Okay,

1249
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: But if I were eighteen nineteen, I don't know his

1250
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: family situation. But if I were eighteen nineteen, like I

1251
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: grew up playing football, you don't think I'm looking for money.

1252
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: I grew up poor as crap. A lot of these

1253
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: athletes grew up poor as crap, and this may be

1254
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: the only time they can make money to set them

1255
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: up for the rest of their life. And we're going

1256
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: to look at them and goad bad player because they're

1257
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: not doing anything illegal. It's completely within the rules what's allowed.

1258
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: It makes them bad guys because this is our favorite team.

1259
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: They're wearing clothes with our colors on it.

1260
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1261
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 7: Or I'm interested to see if wherever he does go, like,

1262
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 7: how does that fan base accept him?

1263
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: Oh? I love them, I know, until you realize he's

1264
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: making three and a half four million. It suck.

1265
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 6: It's and he throws three picks in one game.

1266
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 10: And.

1267
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: That's the nature of it. But when is it going

1268
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: to change? It's going to change whenever the lobbyists are

1269
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: investing their time because money's invested into them to go

1270
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: to the lawmakers to get contracts for these players.

1271
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 3: So when you say lawmakers like the same dudes that

1272
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 3: do like wear your seat belt when you're driving.

1273
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like the house. It's going to have

1274
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: to be something there. The Supreme Court is the one

1275
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: who changed in il because again Ed O'Bannon on the

1276
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: video game is like, that's me.

1277
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: They're not paying me for that.

1278
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: So that's how it's going to change. But these stories

1279
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: need to happen. Everyone's like, I hate it. I hate it. No,

1280
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: bring them all. I want to see like fifty disasters

1281
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: in a row because I don't like the model now.

1282
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: The model now sucks, so we need something to break

1283
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: the model. And nobody ever fixes anything that's kind of broke.

1284
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: If you don't have to, you just kind of put

1285
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: a band aid on it and keep going. My dryer

1286
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: if it ain't like real broke, broke, or I can

1287
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: kick it and get it to go. I'm not gonna

1288
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: get a new dryer if it's completely dead, I going,

1289
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, Okay, fine, I'll get a new driver.

1290
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: And that's what that's gonna be. That's the investment into

1291
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: lobbyists into changing the actual laws. Now nil and portal,

1292
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: although they in the ven diagram crossed in a lot

1293
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: of ways, are not exactly the same thing. But I

1294
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: think if you're going to pay players, and the schools

1295
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: are now going to pay players with revenue sharing, so

1296
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Speaker 1: that should all be disclosed and that should be contractual.

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00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: Now the problem that's where the NCAA is gonna have

1298
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: to come in because that's from the school So that's

1299
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: the NA being involved again. But I think these contracts

1300
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: should be two years, three years. I think you should

1301
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: get one transfer. I think everybody should be able to

1302
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: transfer once. But what's happening is you can transfer every year.

1303
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: It's free agency every year. Even pros don't get that.

1304
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: So this is gonna happen right now. This is like

1305
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: sports twenty forty years ago, but the exact opposite, when

1306
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: there was no free agency and you weren't able to

1307
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: just go and they had to literally pass legislation to

1308
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: get players the opportunity to see how much there are

1309
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: worth to go to other teams. So things have to

1310
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: get really bad before they fix them, generally in life,

1311
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: and that's what's happening here. And oddly I'm team Nico.

1312
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see Joshipeil do that though I thought

1313
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: it was great. Yeah, like it sets a precedent for

1314
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: other schools. We are not going to be held out on,

1315
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: so you can just go. But two things can exist

1316
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 1: at the same time. If I'm a player, I'm gonna

1317
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: get the most money I possibly can. If that's my motivation,

1318
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the most money I possibly can because

1319
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: that is what's allowed in this environment. If I'm a coach,

1320
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set my culture one way or the other one.

1321
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna hold out. We're gonna pay good players

1322
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: because we're supposed to. We're allowed to. But two, if

1323
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: it is detrimental to the team and you're holding out

1324
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: making yourself bigger than the team, you go mm hmm.

1325
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: Or the culture can be we just have a bunch

1326
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: of money, Ohio State, do whatever you want. We're gonna

1327
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: pay everybody all And that works too.

1328
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 6: But I don't even I don't know if Ryan Day

1329
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 6: would let that either, but he wouldn't.

1330
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Speaker 1: It wouldn't get to that point. He would pay him yeah,

1331
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: or he would just say go ahead and go. I

1332
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: think that would be the thing where Nico was like, oh,

1333
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: I can hold out and get more money, because they

1334
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: weren't like just going no, just go ahead and leave,

1335
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: because they had said they were reevaluating his contract before

1336
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: this ever came out.

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Speaker 7: I wonder how long it's been in the works. I

1338
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 7: guess because it would happen so fast. It was like

1339
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 7: one day reevaluating, the next day he's gone.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

1341
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: It always happens a lot slower than what we hear

1342
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: and what happened right you.

1343
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 6: It has probably been going on since the off season started.

1344
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: I don't hate anybody here. I'm kind of happy happened

1345
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: in Tennessee though. So there you go.

1346
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 6: What if he goes to Arkansas.

1347
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: He won't. We can't go to the anybody transferring the spring.

1348
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: He'll go back home toward home. He'll get UCLA or USC.

1349
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 6: Dan Landing calls him.

1350
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: Well, what if Landing was the ultimate mastermind?

1351
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly.

1352
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 3: So.

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01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, once a year we made

1354
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: the voyage to Little Rock. It was about an hour

1355
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: drive and my stepdad would take me to watch the

1356
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: Arkansas Travelers and they were the double A team, but

1357
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: they were our team. They were also the reason that

1358
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: everybody in Arkansas a Saint Louis Cardinals fan because it

1359
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: fed into the Cardinals. So all of Arkansas was a

1360
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: Cardinals fan. Obviously. I was a Cubs fan, obviously, just

1361
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: because of the contrarian that I am. And we were

1362
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: talking about the first person we ever got an autograph from,

1363
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: and I mentioned the name John Lepley, who was a

1364
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: pitcher and I bothered him as a kid, and I

1365
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: was like, we signed this ball and and I have

1366
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: had the autograph forever, and so we just talked about it,

1367
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: and a listener of the podcast named Eric said, Hey,

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01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: I know John Lepley. We tried to call John Lepley

1369
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: based on LinkedIn, and now he's on with us. Now

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Speaker 1: here is John Lepley.

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Speaker 9: This is you.

1372
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Speaker 5: I'm humbled.

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01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: This is crazy.

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Speaker 9: Thank you.

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01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: Well, uh yeah, this to me, this is while because

1376
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: your baseball card, this is the exact one that I

1377
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: had as well. So okay, let's start first of all

1378
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Speaker 1: with you. Now, are you living in Boston, Massachusetts.

1379
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 10: No, we live in Savannah. We actually moved last summer,

1380
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 10: so that may be part of the reason it was

1381
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 10: hard to get a hold of me. But as I

1382
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 10: told your producer, I always returned people's calls within twenty

1383
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 10: four hours, so it would be very unusual for me

1384
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 10: not to return your DM.

1385
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: Hey yea, I was talking on Boston, like John Leplike,

1386
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: anybody nobody in Boston. We'll get back. So and so

1387
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Speaker 1: when you were playing for the Travelers, you were a pitcher.

1388
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: Were you left handed? You're a left handed pitcher?

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Speaker 10: Right, yes, I'm left handed. Very fortunately I was left handed.

1390
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: And what can you walk me through your baseball career?

1391
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: So out of high school? Did you get drafted? You

1392
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: play college ball? What happened there?

1393
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1394
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 10: So I went to a Jesuit all boys school in Omaha,

1395
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 10: Nebraska called Criatin Prep. We had good success there, had

1396
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 10: a scholarship to go to University Nebraska, great opportunity.

1397
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Speaker 5: I was a three year starter there.

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Speaker 10: When I left, I ended up breaking the first strakeout record,

1399
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 10: which at this point it's been shattered. But I'm on

1400
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 10: the board there somewhere, maybe five or six now. But

1401
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 10: so I think about my senior year. Really it was

1402
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 10: my junior we had a new pitching coach come in

1403
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 10: and really, you know, early on I was just a thrower,

1404
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 10: you know, good fastball, but my curveball was my outpitch,

1405
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 10: and he taught me really how to pitch, you know.

1406
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 5: Like you know, just how to pitch with purpose.

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01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 10: He was really big into us watching other teams batting practice,

1408
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 10: and he would just like just point out, look at

1409
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 10: these guys are failing seventy seventy five percent of the time,

1410
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 10: and this is batting practice. They know what pitch is coming.

1411
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 10: So we tried to like empower us and Coach Pratt

1412
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 10: was just great. He just taught me a ton about

1413
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 10: pitching about watching. I got to be such a better pitcher.

1414
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 10: So I think come my senior year, I was doing

1415
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 10: well close to the strikeout record.

1416
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 5: I think I started getting attention from scouts.

1417
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 10: And at the time, if you know, the Cardinals really

1418
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 10: drafted a lot of left handed pitchers, so being left

1419
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,479
Speaker 10: handed was it.

1420
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 5: Was very fortunate.

1421
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: So you go and you start with the Hamilton Redbirds.

1422
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:24,439
Speaker 1: Is that like rookie ball a ball?

1423
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, yep, up in Hamilton, Ontario, And that's a weird

1424
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 10: place to play ball because the weather just feels cold.

1425
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: It just feels like it's going to be cold there regardless.

1426
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think they love baseball up there.

1427
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 10: So as part of the new York penn team, so

1428
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 10: we'd come back down into the States and play in

1429
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 10: Buffalo and Erie, Pennsylvania. But fortunately I was only there

1430
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 10: maybe three weeks. I was fortunate, do real well. I

1431
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 10: didn't give up any runs, a bunch of strikeouts. So

1432
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 10: then I moved on.

1433
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: To Savannah, the same Savannah you're in now, the same

1434
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: Savannah now. And any reason is are they connected at all?

1435
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: Did you like fall in love of the city just

1436
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: having to get a job there again, No, I.

1437
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 5: Met my wife the first day when I moved here.

1438
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: Wow, that's cool, that's crazy. Okay.

1439
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 5: So on the July.

1440
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 10: Second, On July second was the last game I pitched

1441
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 10: in Hamilton. After that game, myself and our second baseman

1442
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 10: Mike Ross, got called into the manager's office and yes,

1443
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 10: I don't know. I thought I was doing well. He's like,

1444
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 10: I'm picking you up tomorrow mor than at five am.

1445
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 10: You guys are both going to Savannah tomorrow. So later

1446
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 10: that day and I found out and you probably have

1447
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 10: heard stories, and families are just there's just certain families

1448
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 10: that love baseball, they want to be around the sport,

1449
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 10: and they know the minor league players don't make a lot.

1450
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 9: So what I.

1451
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 10: Learned is that on a lot of Sundays we'd play

1452
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 10: in Savannah, that is, at one o'clock game, and typically

1453
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 10: a family would have like a cookout or a barbecue

1454
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 10: or something for the for the players, like at four

1455
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 10: thirty five. And it just so happens my wife's parents,

1456
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 10: Meredith's parents, were throwing a shrip boil that afternoon at

1457
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 10: a park and I met Meredith that day.

1458
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: That's funny, that's crazy, that's awesome story. But you weren't

1459
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 1: with Savannah that long though, because in the same year

1460
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: it was Hamilton Savannah and then you were at double

1461
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: A with the Travelers. How long were you with Savannah?

1462
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 5: I was with Savannah for three weeks.

1463
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:21,959
Speaker 1: Dah, you were on then, like you had to feel

1464
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 1: good then?

1465
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1466
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 9: I was?

1467
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 10: I was, Yeah. I was pitching well. I was a

1468
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 10: relief pitcher and I was not a high draft pick.

1469
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 10: But my coach in college just said, listen, if you

1470
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 10: get when you got when I got draftees, like, I

1471
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 10: don't care if they asked you to pitch the fourth inning,

1472
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 10: the eighth inning, just take the ball and try to dominate.

1473
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 10: And it's usually the higher draft picks or the starter.

1474
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 10: So when I got the opportunity to pitch whatever ending

1475
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 10: I was just and then they slowly saw that I

1476
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 10: did well towards the end of the game.

1477
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 5: So I would typically.

1478
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 10: Pitch like the seventh, eighth, or you know, sometimes i'd

1479
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 10: pitched maybe the ninth ending.

1480
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 5: If they had a left handed batter coming.

1481
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 10: Up first, I pitched to that matter, hopefully get them out,

1482
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 10: and then they bring in the closer.

1483
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: And you were the Travelers for a few years. At

1484
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: what point did you go, Okay, how does it work?

1485
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: As you're double A and from looking at your career,

1486
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: I know you played ball in Venezuela. Did you do

1487
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: that after the Travelers or when did you go so

1488
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to stop playing baseball?

1489
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, So in nineteen eighty eight, when I had kind

1490
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 10: of a good year or whatever after or kind of

1491
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 10: during that August period when I was with the Travelers,

1492
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 10: they invited me to come to instructional ball where they

1493
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 10: take the top thirty prospects or thirty two prospects of

1494
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 10: the organization. So I went to Saint Pete like mid

1495
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 10: to late September. We played like thirty forty games and

1496
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 10: I did well there. I had a really good fall

1497
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 10: and so I get home probably in November.

1498
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 5: I'm just kind of working out. I'm not throwing anymore.

1499
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 10: I'm really exhausted because I had a college season and

1500
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 10: then then kind of went right into the prole and

1501
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 10: I get a call God, I think it was like

1502
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 10: December twentieth from the director player development, and he said,

1503
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 10: there's a spot in Arabo, in Venezuela, and we'd like

1504
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 10: you to get down there and pitch and be a

1505
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 10: relief pitcher for them for the remainder of the season.

1506
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. What kind of culture shock was that

1507
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: for you to go down there and do that.

1508
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 10: I mean, it's it's a gorgeous country. Boy there, it's

1509
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 10: a poor country. Our dollar at the time was fifties

1510
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 10: to theirs. Their boliviar and they love baseball. They just

1511
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 10: love baseball down there. So all they could they could

1512
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 10: invite like seven Americans, so we all stayed in this

1513
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 10: one hotel together. Actually, you make a little bit more

1514
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 10: money in winter ball. They pay you cash and then

1515
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 10: they pay your expenses, and it was just a great experience,

1516
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 10: a lot of baseball. I think I mentioned your producer.

1517
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 10: Our short stop at the time was Davey Concepcion, who

1518
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 10: would in his eighteenth year of playing for the Reds.

1519
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 10: But he grew up in Ragua. And what I learned

1520
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 10: is a lot of those players Caracas, Arraguo, wherever they

1521
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 10: in the offseason, they would play not the full season,

1522
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 10: but they would play, you know, three games a week

1523
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 10: so the fans could see him in action, because a

1524
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 10: lot of these people didn't have TVs and couldn't see

1525
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 10: their you know, their hero play.

1526
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: Did you ever in any sort because you never got

1527
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: to Memphis? I don't think right, because were the Redbirds?

1528
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: So when did it? When did it end for you?

1529
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: Was it an injury or was it a realization? Like

1530
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: how did ball end for you?

1531
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 4: Well?

1532
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 5: Two things.

1533
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 10: One when I went into when I got drafted, I

1534
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 10: had my college degree, so I felt good about that

1535
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 10: and I told myself then I go.

1536
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 5: I either have to be in Triple A or in

1537
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 5: the big leagues.

1538
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 10: In four years or I just want to be done,

1539
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 10: like I want to move on with my life.

1540
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 5: And I was in Triple A camp every.

1541
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 10: Year and if you saw my card I we played

1542
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 10: like one hundred and twenty seven games for a full season.

1543
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 10: I I you know, both years I played full seasons

1544
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 10: there is. I pitched in fifty nine at the game,

1545
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 10: so I could. I was like a workhorse. I could

1546
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 10: you could count on me to be in there. But

1547
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 10: then in ninety one in spring training, I was in

1548
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 10: Triple A camp. I'm until like three days before they

1549
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 10: broke camp and everybody went their ways and I got

1550
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 10: called into the director player development and he said, we're

1551
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:33,799
Speaker 10: sending you back to Little Rock. So I just said why. First,

1552
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 10: I said, I'm getting Triple A guys out. I'm getting

1553
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 10: some big leaguers out when I go been playing in Venezuela.

1554
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 5: Can you just give me an opportunity. I just said,

1555
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 5: give me a month there.

1556
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,799
Speaker 10: I'll pay my way there, I'll pay my way home,

1557
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 10: but give me a chance to go and pitch them up.

1558
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 5: And he's like, no, you're going back to Little Rock.

1559
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 10: So yeah, so how it ended. How it ended? Was

1560
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 10: our last one of the road trips, and I think

1561
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 10: was mid late June was to Midland, Texas. We're playing

1562
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 10: the Angels, and I didn't know my this is gonna

1563
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 10: be my last day, but I got asked. They got

1564
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 10: me warmed up in the bullpen. I went in in

1565
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 10: the eighth inning. We were down by I think two

1566
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 10: runs and we ended up scoring the next ending like

1567
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 10: I don't know, like four or five. So they're like,

1568
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 10: go out and pitch the ninth. So what's kind of

1569
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 10: funny is my last professional game. I actually got the

1570
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 10: w so which was me. The next morning, I get

1571
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 10: the call from the manager. He's like, we're making a

1572
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 10: switch sleptly. We got your plane ticket already, and you

1573
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 10: know your rides to the airport were sending you back

1574
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 10: to Little Rock to pack up, and we wish you

1575
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:41,839
Speaker 10: all the best.

1576
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: Do the people that work for you now and work

1577
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: with you know, Like, is that that you were like

1578
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: a legit ballplayer?

1579
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 5: Not really? I mean I've yeah, I don't really shy

1580
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 5: that much about it.

1581
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: It's all. It'd be my full identity, John, It's everything.

1582
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: I have my baseball cards to fall out of my

1583
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: pocket at random time everywhere. Yeah, yeah, I'd have tons

1584
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: of Oh it'd always be a story relating to my

1585
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: time back in the minors. So whenever Eric told you, hey,

1586
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 1: they were talking about you, were you like, No, that's weird.

1587
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 5: I go, that is wild.

1588
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: I go.

1589
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 10: I just said to him, I said, we signed so

1590
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 10: many autographs, and I mean that was part of our job,

1591
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 10: and I enjoyed it. I mean, I love kids in

1592
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 10: college just to kind of break up the monotony for.

1593
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 5: Baseball the time and school.

1594
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 10: Like I worked at an on campus daycare center twice

1595
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 10: a week and just a couple of hours, but it

1596
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 10: was fun to just interact with these kids, read to them,

1597
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 10: and you know, just it just it probably helped me

1598
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 10: more than to help the kids.

1599
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're my first ever autograph from any professional athlete ever.

1600
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: And so it's super cool because the card again, this

1601
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: is the card that I had. Would give out the

1602
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: cards for free or you could buy them impacts of

1603
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: the whole team. And so I had all the cards.

1604
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: And what do you do now, athletic? Are you still

1605
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: like active? You still play sports at all?

1606
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1607
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, I play ust a tennis like golf. I meant

1608
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 10: just at the gym earlier this morning. I probably work

1609
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 10: out six days a week. Yeah, I try to stay active.

1610
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: How about you sandbag people? They're like, well, here's this guy.

1611
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: He's like, do you know works as a business guy?

1612
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: Didn't tell him he's a minor league ball player, like

1613
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: played a super high level. Are you so at the

1614
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: UTU U t U s t a tennis Like that's

1615
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: like a ranking system, Like I have a handicap right,

1616
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: Like again, is that what that is at tennis? I

1617
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: saw you like you're playing amongst people and you have

1618
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 1: like a ranking.

1619
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, my ranking is a four point zero. It

1620
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 10: goes four or five and typically five o's or well,

1621
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 10: I mean you're high high level college tennis. But I

1622
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 10: played with some four or five guys, but mainly they

1623
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 10: just keep the group about four to zero, which is fun.

1624
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 10: It's get a good workout, it's not it doesn't take

1625
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 10: a long time to two and a half hours and

1626
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 10: your match.

1627
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 5: Is done and it's all good. It's we're not playing

1628
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 5: for money.

1629
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: So do you ever play a real man sport pickleball?

1630
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 5: I tried it a few times. Yeah, I mean.

1631
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 10: I mean a big ping pong player, So I mean

1632
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 10: I'm like, this is just like ping pong, it's just

1633
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 10: a little bit bigger.

1634
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a real man's sports. I like to college. Well, John,

1635
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time. This is super cool for me.

1636
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 5: Thank you man. I'm humbled.

1637
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 10: I'm honored to be on your podcast. It's so nice

1638
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 10: you to invite me.

1639
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: And and I love Savannah know you lived there. I

1640
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: love Savannah. They show Forrest Gump there, which I'm sure

1641
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, and we we went down when I was

1642
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: on American Idol. I did four years on Idol, and

1643
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: we would go down to Savanna and shoot on shoot

1644
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: on idol, and so I got to know Savannah. I've

1645
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: been there a couple of times at Little Park and

1646
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: they have the bench where Forrest was sitting on. Yeah,

1647
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a beautiful city. So except we.

1648
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 10: Got if you want it, we'd take you out in

1649
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 10: the boat and go have loud somewhere or just cruise

1650
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 10: around whatever.

1651
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 5: If you're ever done here, please give a shout.

1652
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: Dang, that's crazy, that sounds fun. First I have autographed

1653
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: like come hang out with me those guys. John, I

1654
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for your time. I hope you

1655
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: have a great rest of the day. And this has

1656
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: been really.

1657
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 5: Cool for me. Yeah, thank you so much.

1658
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: All right, Jo, all the best to you, See you man,

1659
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: take care. You spoke with a Twitter pickleball guy.

1660
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I heard back from him. Okay, A guy got

1661
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 7: back to me messages me. He asked, Hey, is Bobby

1662
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 7: like looking for just content or does he actually want

1663
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 7: to play for a thousand dollars.

1664
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 3: What is happening?

1665
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy would be my bff.

1666
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 7: Now yeah, and I'm like, well, one, we're going to

1667
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 7: record it so we'll get content out of it for

1668
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 7: the show.

1669
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 6: But it's also four thousand.

1670
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: The whole point was, dude trolled me out of nowhere,

1671
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, let's play for a thousand bucks. Then

1672
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: mister troll, let's go. And he's like, I'm in. And

1673
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: then I'm like, cool, let's get a lawyer and set

1674
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: it up so nobody gets scammed disappears. No, I'm trying

1675
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: to be content friendship.

1676
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 9: Like.

1677
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: The whole point is if you're going to control people

1678
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 1: like show up. Well, I did stuck when I found

1679
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: out he was a four year D one athlete. I'm

1680
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: not gonna lie like. That was a realization I did

1681
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: not like. And I was like, I'm in, I'm in,

1682
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: let's get in.

1683
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 3: Check it out.

1684
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 6: You held your ground.

1685
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1686
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: If I show up and lose, that's okay. I still

1687
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: want to be the guy that shows up whenever the

1688
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: troll trolls. I want to meet that. No, I'm not

1689
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: doing it to be buddy buddy content and let's afterward

1690
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: have a hug.

1691
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 6: No, I told him, I said, this is legit for

1692
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 6: a thousand bucks.

1693
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: It's not going to be your see. I already feel

1694
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: like I feel like this has lost its edge. Yeah,

1695
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 1: he's back pedaling, right, because even if it happens now,

1696
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: we're like forcing them into it now.

1697
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 7: No, there's there's an endgame here. He said, Well, I

1698
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 7: got kids, I'm busy when you guys thinking, And I said,

1699
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 7: and I said, just let us know, like for the

1700
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 7: next month, some open day till we'll try to figure

1701
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 7: something out.

1702
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 6: And then he said, I'm good. Thanks. He's he's out. O,

1703
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 6: my gosh.

1704
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 3: We got strung along.

1705
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 6: He's out.

1706
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,839
Speaker 8: Well he could have messaged back like a month ago.

1707
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: No, because he was embarrassed. This is what a troll does.

1708
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: A troll talks a bunch of crap and then doesn't

1709
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: show up. What's his Twitter name? Oh no, Scott right.

1710
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: Everybody sent him a message just kidding, like, do you

1711
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: think I wanted to hold and go? Yeah? You know what,

1712
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna go and play. When I found out

1713
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 1: he was a Division one athlete for four years who

1714
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: was running iron Man's no, I would have loved to

1715
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: have backed out, but I'm like, if a troll's gonna

1716
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: come to me, I'm gonna go, even if I lose.

1717
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: And then he backs out like this, you little pud,

1718
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: I'm good.

1719
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 6: Thanks, Jason Scott wrestling, you little pud.

1720
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm good. First he it's you with it. I

1721
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: got kids, I'm busy. This would have never happened had

1722
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: he not been the one to go. Let's go set

1723
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: it up, right, I know.

1724
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 3: So do you think the whole ghosting, the silence part

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01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 3: is just him scared wondering how he's gonna back out

1726
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 3: of this.

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01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, because once he replied and then it took one

1728
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 7: day to figure this all out and be like, oh,

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01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 7: I'm good.

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01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 6: Thanks.

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01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm so disappointed and him yeah.

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01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 3: You're good.

1733
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: I cannot but that is very disappointing.

1734
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 6: I know it's gonna say.

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01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 3: He's looking forward to that.

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01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna save me money for him to fly.

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01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 3: All that's true.

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01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: Man.

1739
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 3: Okay, then you're the winner, dude, you're the winner. Good, dude,

1740
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 3: be forfeited.

1741
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed by that. Okay. I guess with

1742
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: that we can wrap Mike.

1743
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:22,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's terrible way to go. Everyone's everyone's bummed.

1744
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for being here. Everybody stupid. Thanks to

1745
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: Sean Michaels, Thanks to John Lepley. I can't believe he

1746
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: backed out like that. I think better to back out

1747
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: is just disappear again, like just ghost forever, instead of

1748
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: admitting your putt, because he basically said I'm a putt. Yeah,

1749
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: please allow me to put all over you.

1750
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 7: He tried to get us to say like, oh, never mind,

1751
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 7: it's all good. And then once I once he realized like, no,

1752
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 7: we actually want to do this, he's like, I'm good.

1753
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 9: Thanks.

1754
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 6: So yeah, he tried to.

1755
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: I gotta go public on Twitter with this one. The

1756
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: freaking little loser he is. Okay, that's it. We'll see

1757
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: you guys later on. Thank you very much. Thanks to

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01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: Sean Michael, thanks to John Lepley, Thanks to Nico, Thanks

1759
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: thanks to Rory. Thanks you, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,

1760
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: that's it, Eddie blow the whistle. All right, We'll see

1761
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: you guys later on. By theme song written by Bobby

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01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,799
Speaker 1: Bones That's Me and performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon

1763
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: on socials at Brandon Ray Music. You can follow the

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01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: show on Instagram at Bobby Bone Sports. Thanks to our

1765
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:31,759
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01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 1: video producer at Redrberry, and executive producer at Mike Diestro.

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01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: But most importantly, thank you for listening. I'm Bobby Bones.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on twenty five

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Speaker 1: whistles