1 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: We welcome you to the Official Titans Podcast. My name 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: is Mike Keith, joined today by what I'm calling Titans 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Radio's draft duo. And you know them both. You know 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: coach Dave McGinnis and you know Rhett Brian. But ladies 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, these guys are nuts. They go into this 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: cave and they look at all these players and they 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: build this draft board and they review and they write 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: and they script and Coach Mac has notebooks which he's 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: flipping through right now and you can't see because this 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: is not a very visual medium, but trust me. And 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: so what I said is I said, Okay, here's what 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: I want to do. You guys are doing all this work. 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: Our Titans audience, our Titans Radio audience loves you both. 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: Let's share it. So we are going to work through 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: this draft process with the two of you, and I'm 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: really excited to do it. So thanks for being willing 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: to talk about your deep knowledge of the twenty twenty draft. Well, 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: my knowledge is not very deep. It's the coach Mac 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: that has the knowledge that's deep because he's done it 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: for so long. But Coach Mack has been very generous 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: to me in his time and being an open book 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: to teach me how you build a draft room board 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: in a war room, and how you build it vertically 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: and then horizontally and pod players when it's your selection time, 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: and checking you know, picks ahead of you and below 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: you in trade scenarios. So I just want to learn 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: everything I can possibly learn it. I'm going around the 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: block for the second year now with this and want 29 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: to learn more. All right, you said that about going 30 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: around the block, because what this is is this is 31 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: a journey to Las Vegas and the draft. So teams 32 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: have been on the road, they've gone to Mobile, they've 33 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: gone to other places already to look at players, and 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: now they're on the road to Indianapolis. So Dave McGinnis, 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: as we're on this road, as we're taking this journey, 36 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: where is the combine in terms of the trip as 37 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: far as an overall significant milestone, Well, it is a 38 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: milestone because now you have everybody there, you have over 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: three hundred prospects here in Indy. You have and now 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: you get to look at the scouts. This is the 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: scouts life. This is their life. They've been on the road, 42 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: they've been the individual scouts have seen the road scouts 43 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: have seen these guys up close and in person. Now 44 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: everybody as a group gets to see them, you know, 45 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: as a group, and you get to compare apples to 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: apples here because the drills are the same that they'll 47 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: run in all of the positions, and plus the drills 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: have been the same mic I've started I started doing 49 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: this in Indy in nineteen eighty six. The drills have 50 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: basically stayed the same, so that you have a point 51 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: of reference, you know, with thirty four years you know, 52 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: to look at people. So this is a This is 53 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: a big piece of the journey, A big part of this. 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: Other than other than the workouts, there's a lot, there's 55 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: a psychological testing that goes into this. There's clearly the 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: huge part of this is the medical test and then 57 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: the interviews and so all of this interaction. This is 58 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: a big important piece. But the biggest reason this is important, 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, for us here being at Indie, everybody is 60 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: here together. You know, as we're sitting here today in India, 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: you can see every general manager, every head coach, every 62 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: scout in the league, every assistant coach in the league. 63 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: If the teams, you know, choose to bring their assistant coaches. 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: Some do, some don't, but everybody is here. It's centralized, 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: and so everybody has a comparison, a whole week of 66 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: comparison of players in a centralized location. It's a big 67 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: piece of it. It's not the only piece of it. 68 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: It's a piece of it. All Right, Let's talk about 69 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: what is going to be the overriding story of our 70 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: time here in Indianapolis, and that is Joe Burrow and 71 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: the Bengals. Now, I don't know what the Bengals think 72 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: of Joe Burrow. We hear all this stuff about Joe 73 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Burrow doesn't want to play for the Bengals and all 74 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: and on and on. We don't know what that is 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: right now. That's two months away. But let's just talk 76 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: about his potential success, failure, whatever in between. Here. Can 77 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow do something or some things this week here 78 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis to convince the Bengals fully that he's worthy 79 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: of the number one overall selection on April twenty third. 80 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: Football wise, He's got a body of work already that 81 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: shows what he can do football wise. The biggest thing 82 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. We're talking about the Bengals now, Sure, so 83 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that Joe Burrow has to do. He 84 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: has to be able in his sit down meetings, all right, 85 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: not only of the forty five meetings of which you 86 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: get eighteen minutes apiece, but the private workouts and the 87 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: pre draft meetings with Zach Taylor who is the head coach, 88 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: Mike Brown who's the owner, and then Duke Tobin, who 89 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: is in charge of all of their scouting. This is 90 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: they have to get to know the person. What he 91 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: has done physically. It's on tape. You can see that 92 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: there's not anything he is going to be able to 93 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: do physically that's going to change anybody's opinion of what 94 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: he is because he's had an extended interview process this 95 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: whole year on a national championship team. You've seen him 96 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: on the biggest stage. You've seen him in comeback situations. 97 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: You've seen him be able to manipulate a lot of 98 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: different defensive schemes that were geared to stop he and 99 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: that proficient passing attack that they had this year. The 100 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: physical things you can look at now, of course, if 101 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: there's something hidden in a physical that he will take, 102 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: which probably isn't there. But his meetings, his face to 103 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: face with these people starting here in endy and then 104 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: extending through the time until the draft. That's going to 105 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: be extremely, extremely important. I mean, here's how I mean. 106 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: And I know Zach Taylor very well. I mean, I've 107 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: had Thanksgiving dinner with his family for years. Duke Tobin 108 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: had Thanksgiving dinner with his dad, Bill Tobin. You know 109 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: who taught me how to scout at the Bears in 110 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: eighty six. I know these guys. They're football guys. They 111 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: grew up in football families. They're going to vet this 112 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: guy very very closely. But they are both guys that 113 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: really really are are dialed in on the person. I 114 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: know them personally, and they're dialed in on the person. 115 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: That's where Joe Burrow, that's where his work's going to 116 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: begin with the Cincinnati Bengals and the decision makers. To 117 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: a tongue of a loa, let's talk to us staying 118 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, sure, since he cannot work out here in 119 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: indeed due to hip surgery, he says he's planning on 120 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: winning the combine medical what classifies a win for two? 121 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: A tongue of a loa, Mike two, He's already had 122 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: a medical report with a CT scan on his injured 123 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: hip the first week of February. His injury, let's let's 124 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: get for our listeners, was a dislocated hip with a 125 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: posterior wall fracture. That was what that was, what his 126 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: injury was. They his people, with his initial his people 127 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: with his doctor says it's coming along just fine. Now 128 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: what he has a chance to do is everybody will 129 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: take a look at this. Everybody will see it, and 130 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: then all the individual teams themselves, with their orthopedic people, 131 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: with their trainers and their medical people, they will individually 132 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: take a look and they will make a decision on that. Now, 133 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: if all of these people, all thirty two teams that 134 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: look at it, with the regulisite medical people say, you 135 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: know what that scan that he just had, that is 136 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: exactly what we see too, And that's the prognosis to me. 137 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: If you want to talk about winning the combine, he 138 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: has to have all thirty two teams sign off on 139 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: that scan. Not only that scan, but to see if 140 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: it coincides with the scans that they take in Indianapolis. 141 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: All right, So Rhet Bryant, Burrow and Tonguevaloa are the 142 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: big quarterback stories, But give me other quarterbacks here in 143 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: Indy with legitimate hopes to be first round picks. Who 144 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: we watching after those two, Mike, It's done to Oregon's 145 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, the six foot sixth passer who was the 146 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: senior vole in MVP, and Arrow is pointing up after 147 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: that performance. And then it's Utah States Jordan Love, a 148 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: six four quarterback who has all the athletic measurables, but 149 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: he need needs to improve his pocket decision and his accuracy. 150 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: Those couple of things are going to be things they'll 151 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: be looking at this week in India. But those quarterbacks 152 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: are the ones that have a legitimate chance and probably 153 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: will be first round picks. After those guys, it's down 154 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: to Jacob Eason of Washington, Georgia's Jake from I look 155 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: for those guys to probably be Day two guys. But 156 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: the one thing coach Mac always says, the quarterback draft 157 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: is different from the regular draft. Right, We'll give me 158 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: another name who maybe won't go in the first round. 159 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: Let's say for sure won't go in the first round. 160 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: Who's going to be closely watched here in India at 161 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: the combine James Morgan from Florida International. James Morgan from 162 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: Florida International. Who is that nice job Brett? Who is 163 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: that guy? He's a six four, two hundred and twenty 164 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: six pound quarterback who has a gun. He has a 165 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: rifle for an arm and apparently did very well in 166 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: the East West Shrine game. Has had guys looking and 167 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: working him out already. But that is that's a guy 168 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: right there, that is probably a date late day two, 169 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: early day three quarterback that has some people's attention. Nate 170 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: Stanley from Iowa six four, two hundred and thirteen pounds. 171 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: And then another another somebody for our listeners, just remember 172 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: this name Steve Montez from Colorado, six four, two hundred 173 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: and forty pounder that can spend it all. Right, So 174 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: we got some quarterbacks. We start with quarterbacks because we 175 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: always talk about quarterbacks. Coach Mack, you first, and then Rhett, 176 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: give me the deepest position in this draft on offense 177 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: that you've found so far. Wide receivers. Okay, this is 178 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: a wide receiver draft. I mean, and there's all different types. Mike. 179 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: You know, you've got the heights and the outside stretched 180 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: the field guys. You've got the fast, quick slot guys. 181 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: You have the combat catchers. You have the versatile inside 182 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: outside combination guys. Wide receiver to me is the deepest position. 183 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: And you say deep, Look, there's players throughout the draft, 184 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: but but where you can find quality and it's because 185 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: of what's going on in college football nowadays. You know 186 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: you got a few teams running the wishbone anymore. Most 187 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: teams are five out and they're they're throwing it down 188 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: the field. And receivers. This is a deep draft in receivers. 189 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: One hundred percent agree with that because this is one 190 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: of those drafts where and you touched on it, Coach Mac. 191 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: If you want big possession receivers, if you want a 192 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: hybrid receiver, if you want a speedy slot guy from 193 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: one of the tops prospects seeding Lamb from Oklahoma to 194 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: Michael Pittman junior and Courtney Davis from Texas A and 195 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: M in the middle rounds to a Juwan Jennings from 196 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: Tennessee or SMUs Jane prosche in the late rounds. They're 197 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: all They're all shaped, sizes and speeds. There's a lot 198 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: of talent at the wide receiver spot. Teams found good 199 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: second round receivers In twenty nineteen, the Titans were one 200 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: of them with a J. Brown. Obviously, everybody talking about 201 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel playing for the forty nine ers. So Rhett, 202 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: who's the Deebo Samuel, A J. Brown type dude in 203 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: this draft that is gonna be a more productive player 204 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: than probably where he's even drafted. I think the guy 205 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: that you you want to look at there with that 206 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: type of a receiver is gonna be Leaviska Chanult from Colorado. 207 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: What's his deal? He is a hybrid wide receiver. He 208 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: lined up everywhere at Colorado, including wildcat quarterback. But he 209 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: is a big physical dude. It's six two and change 210 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: and over two hundred pounds. Who has He's got yards 211 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: after catch all day long. His big physical body type 212 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: is a lot like an AJ Brown or a Debos Angel. 213 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: That is a guy who can really really improve his 214 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: stock this week. But he can move, and he's lined 215 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: up everywhere slot, inside, outside, and like I said, even 216 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: under center. Brandon Aiyuk from Arizona State. Brandon i Yuk. 217 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: He's number two, So horror fans can start watching tape 218 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: and look at number two from Arizona State, six foot, 219 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: two hundred and one pounds. He runs like a running 220 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: back when he's got the ball in his hands. And 221 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: I remember you, this is your quote, Mike Keith, for 222 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: you you're scouting Guruinus, is that when he was here 223 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: for the visit, and you interview all the players that 224 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: come in for visits. You and Amy Wells do a 225 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: great job of getting them on formal interviews when they 226 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: come in. But you said that when you saw a J. 227 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: Brown walking the halls, he looked like a running back 228 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: to you, Well, that's what Ayuk looks like. Physically. He 229 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: looks like a running back. But he's got speed and 230 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: he's very, very tough after the catch. He's a hands catcher, 231 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: and he can he can maneuver off, he can maneuver 232 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: off the slot. He can also maneuver outside a little bit. Brandon, 233 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: I Yuk is my guy. And to his point, in 234 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk's career at Arizona State eighteen point three yards 235 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: per catch in his career career. Yes, wow, all right, 236 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: does a running back go in the first twenty picks 237 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: of this draft? Ret Bran I don't think so, because 238 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: you have a good year for offensive tackles. The edge 239 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: rushers are always a grab there, and then there's cornerbacks 240 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: that people are trying to get, and then these wide 241 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: receivers that we've been talking about, not to mention into 242 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that we've already covered. Between all of those things 243 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: and trying to reach up and get a guy or 244 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: there's just a guy there that you cannot pass on. 245 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a back that is taken in 246 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: the first twenty picks in the first round. Maybe all right, 247 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: who in the first round, coach, I'm looking at DeAndre Swift? Okay, Georgia, Yeah, 248 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift out of Gejorda and and and possibly h JK. 249 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: Dobbins maybe you know, out of Ohio State. Just depends 250 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: on what flavor you like in your drink. Is it 251 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: going to be a second round, third round type running back? 252 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: Drafting me? Last year we saw some really good backs 253 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: come off the board in the third round. It absolutely is. 254 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean there's there, there are running backs. And because 255 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: just of what I just mentioned earlier, because of the 256 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: way offenses are set up, I mean you're you're mostly 257 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: running zone read offenses now with with single backs, So 258 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: you're getting backs that get a lot of cuts and 259 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: they get a lot of chance to get their hands 260 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: on the ball. Two guys Clyde Edwards Hilaire at LSU. 261 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: This is a guy five eight, two hundred and nine 262 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: pounds that's a junior. He's he's nifty back there. I 263 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: mean he can make him and he's also got some power. 264 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: He's got some power to him. And then cam Akers 265 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: out of Florida State. Florida State was awful this year. 266 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean, what the scheme was awful. I'm just being honest. Yeah, yeah, 267 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: well the scheme was awful. And and the people and 268 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: the people and rightfully so, and the people and the 269 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: people surrounding him were bad. But this guy, this guy's legitimate. 270 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: You know, cam Akers as a junior five eleven, two 271 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: hundred twelve pounds. Those are two names for you. I 272 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: want to go back to Edwards Hilaire because I want 273 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: to ask, here's my favorite college football player last year? 274 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: I as I watched LSU play, I just fell in 275 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: love with this guy. As they as they look at 276 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: him at the combine, what are teams trying to break 277 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: down about this guy to figure out if his game 278 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: translates into the NFL. Well, I mean, you're going to 279 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: be able to see the athletic ability and in the 280 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: in the drills. When you're looking at running back drills, 281 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: the first thing you want to look at, and everybody 282 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: wants to see can these guys catch because you see 283 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: him run a lot of route trees in these drills. 284 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: Can these guys catch the you know, the three cone 285 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: drill that they that they do for them and the 286 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: cut drills are important. This guy will excel at that. 287 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: I would think his pass catchability just consistently. It's what 288 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: they'll want to see. Are they going to be real 289 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: worried about his speed, Well, they're not gonna worry about 290 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: his speed because here's the thing. You can be fast 291 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: as a running back straight ahead, but if you can't 292 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: make anybody miss at the line of scrimmage, you're never 293 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: gonna get anywhere downfield. Right, They've got to see more 294 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: of his receiving skills. He's right, because he showed some 295 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: really good stuff going through ls LSU's title run. And 296 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: he's a tough, a small runner. He's the low center 297 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: of gravity, hard to bring down. But I'll tell you 298 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: another guy that Coach mc gave you a couple names, 299 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: Anthony McFarlane out of Maryland five nine. And this guy 300 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: is a burner, elite speed, but he wasn't used a bunch. 301 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: He was a redshirt sophomore. Only have one hundred and 302 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: thirty nine carries in college, but he averages six point 303 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: seven yards per carry in that time and they didn't 304 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: use him a lot in the passing game. He can 305 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: really catch it out of the backfield. Anthony McFarland is 306 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: a guy. When they start doing forty times this week, 307 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: why that name give me a game changing tight end? 308 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: Is there a game changing tight end here and end? 309 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: There is not? Okay, there is not. So it is 310 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: not that year. This is not the draft last year. 311 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: You know, last year you had t. J. Hawkinson who 312 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: went number eight. You had no Afant who went number twenty, 313 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: or if Smith went number fifty, Drew Sample went number 314 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: fifty two. The fifties and the fifty twos and and 315 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: and the mid thirties. That's where you're going to see 316 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: some of these tight ends. You don't have that game 317 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: changer like those two first rounders out of Iowa last year. 318 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: You've got some guys that are capable. And again I 319 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: refer back to what's going on in college football. A 320 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: lot of these tight ends and I've got air quotes 321 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: going here is because of the fact that they're really 322 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: big receivers that they're they're splitting out. They can catch 323 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: the football, but they lack some masks, you know, lining 324 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: up in line inside. But there are some bigger guys 325 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: that will be combat catching problems downfield, and that will 326 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: be matchup problems downfield. There are some of those, but 327 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: elite guys. No anybody you like, Yes, Adam Troutman from Dayton. 328 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: From Dayton, he would be fired. He will be the 329 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: first player since nineteen seventy seven drafted out of Dayton, 330 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: and then he will be drafted and probably much higher 331 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: than people realize if he has a good, good week 332 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: this week, had a good week at the Senior Bowl. 333 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: Six five, two fifty one. He is a converted quarterback 334 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: out of high school. Never caught a pass in high school, 335 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: only in college, so he's still learning the position, so 336 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: he's raw. He's shows really good effort in inline blocking. 337 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: Has work to do there, but he has a basketball 338 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: background and you will see that at the combine this 339 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: week and he will have a chance to be probably 340 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: the only one out of this group to be a 341 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: complete receiver in not only being a good pass catcher, 342 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: but an inline blocker. Dude, I thought you were going 343 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: to say the Pickney kid from Vanderbilt, he's got potential, 344 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely he does. But this kid right here, Troutman watched 345 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: that name. Is he your guy coach? Yes, you know 346 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: he's he's he's to me. Knox was last year just 347 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: as Knox. Yes, sir, just a little bit hidden out there. 348 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: But when you start looking at the athletic ability and 349 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: rets one hundred percent right, and you think, Retton, I've 350 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: done any studying. Yeah, I think you've done some stuff. 351 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: You know, a guy from Dayton, I mean they're fifth 352 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: in the country in basketball right now, but they're not 353 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: known for their football. But my point is is he's 354 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: got some requisite skills that you can see that that 355 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: will will and he will be a better professional player 356 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: even than he is an NCAA player. But you think 357 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: about a guy like Dawson Knox, I mean, what value 358 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: for Buffalo to get Dawson Knox, Who's going to be 359 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: a guy who I think is a regular part of 360 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: what they do for years. And he wasn't a high 361 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: pick necessarily. He was also a converted quarter converted quarterback, 362 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: and you know we all three of us liked him. 363 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: You know, when you when you really dig and start looking, 364 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: and that's what I've done this. I've been fortunate enough 365 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: to have done this a long long time. And those 366 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: are really those are what you call the belly of 367 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: your draft, and those are really what make your draft. 368 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: All right. So let's wrap up the first part of 369 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: our combined preview with this question. Give me a team 370 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis who's coaching GM are gonna meet the 371 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: media and you are going to be most interested to 372 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: hear that team's perspective because of what their storylines are 373 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: entering this office. To me, it's the Miami Dolphins. Okay, okay, 374 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. They have they have fourteen picks in 375 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: this draft. They have fourteen picks. They've got three first 376 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: round picks. Ryan Fitzpatrick still their quarterback, so you know 377 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: that that that's something that they're looking for. They rehired 378 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: chan Gaily for their offense. I mean, they want to 379 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: redo their offense. Their offense was terrible last year. You know, 380 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: they rehired quarterback coach Bobby Brown. Okay, they got a 381 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: new offensive line coach in their Steve Marshall from the Jets. 382 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: They were twenty seventh last year in offense. They're trying 383 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: to rework their offense. And so with this many picks, 384 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: with this many picks, it's going to be very interesting 385 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: to hear both from the head coach and from the 386 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: general manager. Because their needs. They need a quarterback, they 387 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: need edge, and need off fensive tackle, inside, offensive lineman, 388 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: running back. Those are primary needs that they have. They 389 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: have fourteen picks. Now, with these fourteen picks, we when 390 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: rhet and I started talking about this, they're gonna get 391 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: some compensatories. So within these fourteen are the compensatories that 392 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: are coming their way, all right, because of the trades 393 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: and the people that they've gotten rid of. Sure, but 394 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: I want to hear and listen. They're not going to 395 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: tell you everything, because I've been one of those coaches 396 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: up there on the podium. I mean, it's you know, 397 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not. I mean, they don't put 398 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: sodium pentethol in. You're not on trial. I mean you don't. 399 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: They should you don't, you don't. That would be interesting TV. 400 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: You don't have to tell the truth. But you'll get 401 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of an idea from both of them. 402 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: But because they have fourteen picks in this draft, they're 403 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: gonna be major players. I started to answer with the 404 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers because they brought in Matt Rule from Baylor, 405 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: gave him a seven year contract, the entire staff the 406 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: Baylor basically. But here's who I picked, the Las Vegas Raiders, 407 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why. First of all, they're moving 408 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: as an incredibly interesting topic. The Titans have done that 409 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: one a few years ago. But it's the second year 410 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: for general manager Mike Mayock, who did really well in 411 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: last year's draft. Between Josh Jacobs, the running back from Alabama, 412 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: Max Crosby, Cleveland Furrel, I mean, he really hit on 413 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: nearly all of his picks. Do they do something different 414 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: and move on from Derek Carr would be about a 415 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: seven point nine million cap hit if they do that, 416 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: because they're now into the back end of his contract, 417 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: they'll have over fifty million under the cap. They have 418 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: five picks in the first one hundred, including two first rounders, 419 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: number twelve overall and then the number nineteen overall, which 420 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: is the last pick that they got from the Bears 421 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: in the Khalil Mack trade. And they have a primary 422 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: need at wide receiver and at number twelve they could 423 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: take a CD Land from Oklahoma or Laviska Chenult from Colorado. 424 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: So you're looking for hints on the Raiders. Yes, all right. 425 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: You know what's really interesting as we wrap up, I 426 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: cannot ever remember and Coach, you've been in the league 427 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: for thirty four years and rhet and I've been nutso 428 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: NFL fans basically our whole lives. Do you ever remember 429 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: all of this quarterback stuff that's out there right now 430 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: between Philip Rivers and what's going on with Tom Brady 431 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: and car and Newton and who and here. Yes, I 432 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: mean it's it's all, but I mean it's like half 433 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: the league almost. Well, I have never and it's a 434 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: great point you bring up, Mike, and you and Red 435 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: have been doing this for a long time. There have 436 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: never been this many quality, still viable starting quarterbacks that 437 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: have been on the open market, and not only on 438 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: the open market, but some that will be on the 439 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: open market because people are looking for somebody else. So 440 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: your point is very true that those because it's not 441 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: just quarterbacks that are on the market, it's people with 442 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: I mean, people recognize the names and the production of 443 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are on the market. That is the 444 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: OTP Titans Radio's Draft Duo Combined Preview Part one Offense 445 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: Defense is coming next in the next edition of the 446 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: OTP