WEBVTT - Ep. 65: Uncle Wimpy and the Bathtub Walleyes 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.320 There isn't a Walleye on this planet that's got twenty 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.440 to twenty five minutes of fighting it. You know how 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.160 saying that was that sharp could have landed in the 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.840 boat and two of your buddies could have been freaking killed. Man. 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:20.720 There's a few times are out that deal where he 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.240 just goes after brie cheese. I get your clients sucked, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.160 but leave the bris out of this man. Secondly, while 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:32.960 you're right, I mean they kind of sucked. Good morning, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.680 degenerate anglers, and welcome to Ben the Fishing podcast that 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.280 goes directly to the closest drive through Dakari shack after 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.720 picking up its rental car at the New Orleans Airport. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.760 I'm Joe Surmeli and joining me today is my good 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.720 friend from the land of drive through Dachori Shacks, Jared Serenier. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.959 What's going on? Brother? Alright, bro, I'm happy to be here. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.280 But lo wait, we're not drinking dacriies. I'm gonna have 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.040 I'm gonna have it. I'm gonna have the bear eyes 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.760 damn for when you get here. Waa that's what No dacories? 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.240 I yeah, and that's probably a lot cheaper to those 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:07.840 dacies are are pretty spendy. H allegedly right, allegedly, Jared 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.360 has not been on this show before, though your voice 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.320 does bear a striking resemblance to down the Road Darren 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:18.160 from South Louisiana who occasionally does uh fishing reports for 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:19.880 us from your region. You hip to that guy? You 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.280 ever met that guy? Yeah? Man, I crossed paths with 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.560 Darren every once in a while. Dude, it's like, I'll 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.160 be like pumping, you know, trying to get pumping gas 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:28.800 in my truck, and Darren comes up to me like 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.280 he rocking about a few dollars. You know, Man, you 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:36.600 sound just like him. That's a really good Yeah. He's 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.000 a good dude. He's just you know, made a few 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.679 questionable choices in his life. But right on, right on, 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.440 well it is. It is awesome to have you here, man, 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.840 and I you know how much I love the South 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.360 and Louisiana in particular. It's been it's been just way 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.680 too long since I've been down there. But in case 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.720 any of you listeners haven't been down there, I wasn't 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.040 kidding about the Dacari shacks. I'm not. I'm not claiming 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.840 South Louisiana is the only place that has them, but 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.280 it's the only place I've been too. There's there's practically 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.320 one on on any given corner. And these are drive 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.720 through establishments that will serve you an extra large, big 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.000 gulp size cup of icy slushy booze in your vehicle. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.240 And is there a reason why that's allowed? There? I 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.120 know legally, right, you're not supposed to drink them while 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.720 you're driving, at least the driver isn't. But if that 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.160 existed where I leave, cops would be parked outside just 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.520 waiting for you to take a pull of that mud 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.519 slide dachri, Like, how does that? How is that allowed? 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.760 What's the rule? And look, it's not just dacries. You 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.240 could order a mixed ra al right. Here is the 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:37.040 technicality that makes it work. It's the straw, the straw. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.880 So if the paper from the straw is not broken, 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:46.800 technically you're good. Shoot. Once the straw goes in and 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.840 it's like all right now I'm ready to drink, that's 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.560 when the cop could be like, got you. But as 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:57.440 long as the straw is not learned something today we 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.600 learn how to get away with this and what the 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.440 rules are, that's great, man, But Anyway, So Jared and 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.520 I we go way back, and I want to tell 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.919 a story about when we first met because it's sort 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.079 of gonna play into a little theme I've got going 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:13.000 on today about fishing with people that don't appreciate good fishing. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.600 But before we get to that, I want to tell everyone, well, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.240 you've got going on right. So you're a producer, videographer, 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.440 a man of many media talents that does work for 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.040 a lot of people. You've even rubbed elbows if I'm 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.520 not mistaken with old caw Ryan Callahan. Isn't that right? 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.760 You guys did something together. Yeah. Ryan came down last year, 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.680 last September, the end of September. Um. He we we 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.000 were introduced to each other through a mutual friend Land, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.440 Tawny and Montage. Sure, and I think that Ryan knew 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.640 that Land had spent a good bit of time down here. Uh, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:43.600 and Land and I were buddies from from when he 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.240 did spend time down here. So he's like, hey, man, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.040 I'm gonna Louisiana, who don't need to talk to you. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:48.920 And he was like so and so so and so 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.160 and called Serena and uh he called me up and 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.240 I was like, man, I really appreciate because I felt 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.560 like up to that point, media kind of was overlooking 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.280 the South. Sure, yeah, and I'm not saying that's right 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.280 or wrong, but I felt like, kind of I really 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.840 appreciated it. When he called, I was like, dude, appreciate it. Um. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:06.240 He was like, you know, let's go on a teal 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.840 hunt public land at Venice. I'm like, okay, start putting 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.120 the pieces of place for that. But the problem you 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.520 have to have you know, we were gonna hunt on 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.200 a federal refuge, so you have to have that signed 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.039 off by the refuge manager. And it was just it 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:18.520 was becoming a lot of headache to get all the 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.880 paperwork done on that. So I was like, dude, let's 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.039 just go. Let's go on the holl Count. Like, you 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.719 know what, the tides were high from all the tropical 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.960 stores were having. When the tides are high, the feral 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.480 halls all kind of bunch up in one higher area. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.960 So so let's go on holl Count. We did, had 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.880 a great hunt, good time, made some bood in, and 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.080 I got to see how hard those guys work. He 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.840 came down with Tye and Garrett, the videographers, and those 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.359 dudes work man like they even send up to sundown. Well, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.480 it's funny you bring up that you guys did did 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.600 a hog hunt because you also have your your own 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.880 channel and brand now called Outside the Levies that focuses 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.719 on all kinds of outdoor pursuits and cooking in your region, 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.479 and and you hunt and fish of course, but I 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.760 also noticed like you highlight um like local salt of 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.760 the Earth commercial fishing, crabbing operations. So you're like, you 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.240 really strive to capture the entirety of the outdoors in 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.760 your region. Yeah. So I started that channel a year 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.839 ago actually, kind of right after we hunted with Ryan, 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:14.599 I know, you know, that was kind of the catalyst. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.480 So I'm like, all right, it's time to it's time 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.800 to jump onto YouTube train. I know, like, yeah, I'm 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.760 a little late to it. But also there's still plenty 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.520 it's still growing, you know what I mean, Like, it 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.200 still has plenty of time. So uh, I started the 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:27.839 channel and I was like, look, you know, I have 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.200 this resource all around me, the outdoors that we have, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.720 but also the culture that we have, and that's something 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.040 you don't quite get in other places where the culture 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.200 is so tied to it. So I felt like that 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.000 was my asset that I was bringing too the YouTube table. Yeah, 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.240 and and what I can tell you listening is that, 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.720 like what Jared's not doing, it's not like your your 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.200 standard YouTuber deal. Like you're you're a professional. You know 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.160 how to find a good story, shoot it and at 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.719 it with style and flow, um and and how to 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.240 how to talk to interesting people. And you know, in 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.400 my opinion, like in the world of of go pros, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.120 strapped heads all the time, it's really refreshing. Man, you're 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.080 making really cool stuff. I appreciate that. I mean, I'm 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.760 not you know, I consider the go pro head guys 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.919 and myself all in the same We're in the same 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.040 same deal, you know, like where the YouTube community. So 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.200 I'm not saying one's better than the other. But at 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.080 the same time, I had to I had to create 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.719 the videos saying it that's all good, but no, I 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.320 had to create the kind of videos that I want 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.200 to watch, right using you know, the way I used 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.919 to produce outdoor television and then kind of mixing in 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.000 the YouTube style. We do do some go pro stuff. 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.159 We do, you know, have some music in there and 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.120 stuff like that. So it's it's been awesome, right, right, Well, 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:37.880 it's great stuff, and so I gotta I want to 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.719 tell this story. Um. So, the first time we ever met, 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.840 you were actually a hired gun. You were a videographer 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.880 working for the National Wildlife Federation, and I was in 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.920 town for a work off site meeting. And the fishing 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.080 for the first few days of this trip had been very, 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.520 very slow, and uh, because it was a work off 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:58.320 site meeting, as it tends to go, the bosses made 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.719 the boat pairings right, and they tried to stick like 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.479 less outdoorsy people with legit outdoorsy people. And on the 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.640 third day, you and me, uh and one of these 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.800 less outdoorsy people who were not gonna we're not gonna 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.160 drag anybody's name through the mud, right, doesn't really matter. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.120 But we all ended up on a boat together. And 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.600 the fishing, as I recall, was equally slow for most 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.600 of that day until about four forty five pm, right, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.440 and then the floodgates just open, and all of a 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.920 sudden there were red fish chowing everywhere, just crushing top water. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.560 You remember this, Yes, I do, I do, Okay, okay, good, 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.040 I'm glad I remember. Well, it's funny because it's funny 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.560 you say that not too long ago, I'll still have 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.720 the raw footage and I don't think so we'll have 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.520 to get we'll have to separately get together and look 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.560 at Yes, I'd love to see it right so, because 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.280 I and I remember you being pumped because after all 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.640 these days of chasing people around cameras, like you finally 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.720 had something to shoot, like there was action, there was 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.400 something going on um. But all the boats were told 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.840 to be back at the lodge by like five fifteen 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.840 or something for a power point presentation. Ironically, now that 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.200 you mentioned it, that I've leave was being given by 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.840 land Tawny. I believe he was on this ship. It 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.640 was his power point. And the kid they stuck us 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.160 with was losing his ship, like he was just like 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.800 guys that they said to be back at five fifteen 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.240 and and and and for a while, you, me and 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.160 the guy just completely ignored this kid, like I wasn't 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.120 paying attention to any of it. I'm almost positive the 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:26.000 god that for that was Ross Montet and it was Yes, 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:30.160 Ross is a killer like the fit walks, crawl, swims, flies, 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.600 it's in danger from Ross. So probably he had all 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:38.120 that pent up aggression I was getting. I was like, dude, 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.840 I know the power point was important, but we'll get there. 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:45.439 We'll get their bridge version afterwards over because yeah, these 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.520 reds are the challenge everywhere. And he's not even casting 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.800 because he's so distraught over missing a power point. And 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.839 eventually I couldn't take it anymore and was just like, dude, 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.559 shut the up and fish, like, we're not leaving this 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.400 to go watch any power were point, Like this is 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.079 what we've been waiting for all week. And and I 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:08.080 was wondering what you already confirmed you you had this 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.839 exchange on video. It did not make the final cut 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.240 of what you were putting together for n WF, but 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.280 I was pretty sure you were rolling. I would love 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.080 to see that. Okay, I'm gonna check the row. I 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.600 got it well, I confirmed it the other day. It 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.520 well unearth it. But in the meantime, tying right in 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.640 um with being presented with stellar fishing and and sort 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.240 of not even recognizing it. We've got one hell of 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.720 a smooth Move segment for you guys this week. Remember, 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.040 Smooth Moves is where we let guides and captain's vent 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.040 about idiotic things their clients have done. Uh, And we're 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.199 leaving the bayou just for just for a little bit 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.520 and jogging west to San Diego to meet back up 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:52.760 with our old buddy, Captain Conway Bowman. Why joining us 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.959 again from southern California, My buddy, Conway Bowman? How goes it? Man? 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.200 Good to see you again. What's up? Brother? How are you? 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.400 I'm great? I'm great. So you are a pioneer fly 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.280 fishing for macOS on the West coast. But you have 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.319 guided for so many things in so many places. What 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:12.680 are the other things you guided for? Oh? Man, um, trout, cart, bass, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.440 a large amount bass um. I've done a little bit 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.920 of steelhead guiding, more more hosting. But because I've done it, 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:24.280 I've hosted trips to steelhead waters, permit, tarpin, bone fish. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.520 Because I've traveled so much, I've gotten really familiar with 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.120 a lot of different fish. So what I do is 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.959 when I host trips, I end up kind of guiding 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.440 and and I love it. I love guiding. I like 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.120 watching people be successful at making that cast and hooking, 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.680 whether it's their first permit, bone fish, steelhead, whatever. I 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.480 mean that that really gets me pumped up. So well, 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.920 I'm pumped up because you've been at this for so 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.600 many years, and like you just said, you've done so 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:53.160 many different things that I'm really curious to hear, like 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.800 where we're getting a smooth move from? Like what facet 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.000 of what Conway Bowman does? Are we gonna we're gonna 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.560 hear a smooth move story from? Oh? So you want 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.920 a story right now? I want the smoothest one you got, man. Okay. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.240 So um, when people fly fish for mako sharks, and 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.040 it always comes back to makoes because there's such a 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.840 dynamic fish and they jump in there, they're big. So Um. 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:16.800 I had a group come on my boat I don't know, 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.600 a couple of years ago, and none of them had 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.760 had ever fly, none of them had ever fished. They 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.480 had they had bid on a trip that I had 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:29.800 given away through some auction. So they show up three guys. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:31.959 That's a that's a guide thing too. You gotta be 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.960 careful with. I know a lot of guys who donate trips, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.600 but then you have no control over who it is, 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.560 Like they're not regular client. You have no idea who 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.000 you're getting with the donated trip. Right, No, right, guys 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.199 show up and they're walking down walking to my boat. 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.640 I'm like, oh my god, you're kidding me. I mean 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.720 members only jacket. It's kind of sweet. I mean, not 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:56.200 for fishing, but I appreciate the jacket. It's just just whatever. 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.360 I mean. It was. You know, they had they had 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.840 the classic loafers on on with the taskles. It was like, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.319 oh no. So they get on the boat. Right when 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:05.559 they get on the boat, they say, hey, capt and 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.600 get a cooler. I said, yeah, here's my cooler. And 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.640 they put in some bris and they put in a 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.760 bottle of shard and I'm like, ship, here we go. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:16.880 And so on the way out, I'm like, you guys, 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.800 don't you fishing? No, not really. We just thought it'd 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.959 be cool to go see a shark. I'm like, okay, right, 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.120 so we're motoring out. The one guy says, so, Capta, 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.520 and you think we're going to see a shark today. 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.000 I said there's a good chance. Well, how good? I 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.040 guess it. You know, I don't know. I'm seeing them, 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:37.000 you know, between eighty and you know, a hundred pounds. Yeah. 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.920 He's like, well, we're gonna see a bigger one. I'm like, 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.240 we might how big? I said, Well, I don't know. 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:46.280 We might see one five. He's like, whoa really, Oh wow, 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.880 that'd be cool. I'm like, okay. So we get out 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.040 there and we're drifting. So let's say I think I 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.400 set my slick at ten o'clock and at two o'clock 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.760 we hadn't seen anything. These guys are One guy's throwing 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:01.760 up over the side. The other guy's kind of he'd 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.200 been hitting that bottle of chardonnay, so he was kind of, 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.200 you know, not really stumbling around, but he was a 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.959 little bit gassed. And you know, they had the brie out, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.240 you know, putting it on French bread, and they're sitting 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.320 there and you know, they're talking. They were talking one 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.760 of their bullshit. They were talking, and it was really entertaining. Yeah, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:21.880 And I said, hey, guys, we're getting into his zone 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:23.720 right now, where I've been seeing a lot of big makos, 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.400 a lot of big ones. Oh really, Captain, Oh god, 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.120 that'd be great to see a big one. We haven't 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.480 seen one all day. Like okay, you know, kind of 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.040 a wise ass. I'm like okay. And so I'm I'm 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.600 standing on the on the stern of the boat and 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.480 I'm looking out in the slick and I'm going, man, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.400 if any size mako shows up, these guys couldn't handle 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.240 it because we had gone through the casting. These guys 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:49.840 couldn't cast my feet. Dear Lord, please let a twenty 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.360 pound mako show up and let me get back to 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.280 the dog. So I'm standing there, so I look up. 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.200 The one guy's hanging over the rail throwing up. The 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.600 other guy's passed out on the on the on the deck, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:02.960 and the other guy's just sitting there, you know, with 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.040 his arms crossed, looking out. And I looked down and 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.040 I went, oh my god, I see this gigantic mako 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.760 come right under the boat. I mean, went from from 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.760 the stern right to the porch side and and heading 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.520 out towards about I'm like, holy crap. This thing was 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.360 like seven pounds. I'm like, oh my god. So I go, okay, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.080 who's who? Who's right? And we've got a big, big 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.040 mako here? And the guy's like what and and he 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:27.960 looks over the side and he didn't see it because 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:29.680 the mako had kind of sunk out, And I like, 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.640 hold on, hold on. So I've got my teaser. Run, 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.280 I throw it out, through it out and throwing it 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.600 and I throw it way way out and I'm reeling 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.040 it up, and all of a sudden, the mako pops 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.560 it behind the teaser and it starts chasing teaser in 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.640 and the guy sees the phinnies like Jesus Christ, that 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.040 things huge, and so I tease the mako in. It 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.160 goes under the boat again. It circles around and I 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.080 lose it. I can't see it. So I look, and 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.240 the one guy grabbed one of the fly rods that 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.640 I that we had prepped for the moment, you know, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.120 when the one when the chart shows up. And I 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.200 told him, do not put that line the water, you know, 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.400 because I didn't know where the fish was. And if 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.000 you have a fly dangling over the side will come 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.440 up and grab it. So I said, don't put the 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.640 fly in the water. So I'm looking for the maker, 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.880 looking for the makeup. There's some heavy glare in the water. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.160 I'm looking looking, and I look and the flies in 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.640 the water. Because he's kind of looking over the rail, 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:19.400 you know, looking for the fish. I'm like, get the 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:20.840 fly out of the water. So he pulls it out 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:22.560 and I can't. I don't know where the mako is, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.520 and so I may throw the teaser out. Nothing on 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.000 the tees are my guy? The things split and I 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.040 looked down and the guy is looking for it, and 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.480 once again the flies and the water floating out. I 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.440 go get the fly out of the and right when 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.840 I said that, this maku came up right from under 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.440 the boat and grab the fly. I mean ten ft 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.520 off the rail. I mean right there, a seven pound makeup. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.040 I'm like, and I told the guy don't set the 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.240 and he what did he do? He set the hook. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.240 He went straight up. I'll go, oh my god, this 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.760 maker shark. It looked like a like a Volkswagen Bust 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.360 doing three sixties on the port side rail. I mean 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.560 ten ft a rail. Whoa. I'm like, oh my god. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.560 And the guy is like whoa, and he's holding the 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.960 rod and I'm like, give me the rod. So I 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.440 run up the rail, grabbed the rod and immediately the 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:15.120 shark sounds and it pins me to the rail. Right. Yeah, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.480 it's going down down. I'm like, oh my god. I'm like, 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.800 and so what makeles do? They'll go down and they'll 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.800 they'll jump. You don't know where they're going to jump. 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.320 They can jump. Yeah, they just come up. It's going 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.000 straight down I'm like, oh God, oh God. So now 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:27.640 it's gotta be pinned to the rail. The rod is 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.760 bent back towards the stern. It's bent back towards the 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.240 starboard corner. And I look back and the two other guys, 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:37.760 that one guy that was passed out and the other guy, 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.360 they ran back to the starboard corner and they're standing 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.640 right there. I'm like, oh my god. So I'm looking 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.960 back at them, and all of a sudden that the 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.880 maker jumps right there, right off the starboard, I mean, 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.040 right off the corner, and it rockets into the air 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:53.920 and it goes up twenty and I'm watching it in 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.360 slow motion, a seven pound makeup going twenty ft in 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.400 the air within five ft of these eyes. I mean, 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.520 it's right off the corner. I'm like, oh my god. 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.639 And it goes up up, up, up up, and I'm like, 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.679 that thing's gonna lean into the boat and crush these guys. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.000 And it goes It goes up up, up up, and 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:16.280 it leans out. It landed out, and it took off, 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.439 and I don't know how I got that thing around. 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.040 It went under the outboard and I pulled it around 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:22.480 on a hand of the rod back and the guy 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.080 go just hold on. So it's running, it's jumping, and 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.040 I get that guy's falling all over his ass. I'm 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:29.399 trying to, you know, get up on the fish. And 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.280 so we fight it from probably i don't know, five 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.919 minutes after these incredible jumps and it broke off. I'm like, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.520 thank god. So you know, I reel the whole thing 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.520 and the makeup probably peeled off four yards of backing. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.800 He's insane. So I read all that back in and 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.560 I get it back in. I look at the guy 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.960 and he's sitting on the bow. He's like, holy ship, 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.359 that was insane. I go, you know how saying that was? 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.080 That shark could have landed in the boat and two 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:01.520 of your buddies could have been freaking killed. Oh so 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:05.639 the more the moral of that story is, I've realized that, 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.320 you know, you've got to have your ship in one 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.480 sack when you're fishing these big makos because they will 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.880 jump in the boat. So because of that, I'm very, 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.080 very very specific on how I want people to cast 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.520 of those things. You have to make a fort cast sure, 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.199 I can't hook him close, and you have to be 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.679 super careful. There's no margin of air at all. If 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.840 one of those things lands in the boat, you're freaking. 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:30.679 And it's happened to people before. I mean, that's a 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.280 that's a known thing like that. Yes it has. And 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.240 I'm fishing out of a twenty four ft Triton bay boat, 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.160 so my gunnal is very low to the nil. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.719 well dude, I mean that, dude, that's funny. That's an 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.199 epic story. But like my takeaway, it always bothers me 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:47.879 a little to hear stories like that, because there's so 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.280 many things giant tune of fly fishing for sharks with 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.280 you that like I want to do that I would 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.040 kill to do. And then I hear a story like 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.720 that's the guy that got to go do that and 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.639 have a seven hundred pound mako shark, and like, doesn't 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.159 even have appreciate what just happened. It's that happens, admit, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.600 I know it. I get people out there that they'll 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.520 catch a three and a pound makeup They're like, oh, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.280 that was cool, and they just walk off the dog. 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.320 Don't worry, bro, When I come out there, I'll make 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.280 an eighty foot cast to a seven hundred pound makeup 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:24.479 and we will dance yes, that would be awesome. Alright, well, 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.800 first things first, man, I don't know. It kind of 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.840 rubbed me the wrong way. I'm a little bothered by it. 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.840 You watch UFC, you watch UFC at all? Not I've 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.160 been forced to watch it in a few lodges over 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.440 the years, but like of my own accord, no, I 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.320 don't watch. So there's a there's a funny clip, uh 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.760 from a UFC press conference a few years back, and 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.439 it's too heavy weights and I don't think they were 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.280 about to fight. I think they were on the same card. 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.920 And one of the heavy weights who's who's really well accomplished, 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.040 and then one of the ones who was kind of upcoming, 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.119 he's from New Orleans originally, and uh, and they weren't 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.400 even gonna fight on this card. So the more accomplished fighter, 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.040 Daniel calling it was like, you know, and he's talking 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.480 to Derrick Lewis, who was the other fight. He's like, so, 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.480 what's your beef with me? What did I do? We're 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.200 not even fighting. He's like, man, you disrespected that Popeye's 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:15.800 Chicken apparently called me ahead said something negative about Popeye's. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.040 So I kind of feel the same way. Listen to 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.359 this and I'm like, man, there's a few times are 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.639 out that deal where he just goes after bree cheese. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:29.320 I'm like, dude, I got like, yeah, with your clients, 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:33.960 but leave debris man. Well, so, since we just heard 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.399 a mako shark story, I am compelled to ask you 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.560 something that I've always wanted to know. Maybe you know 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.720 the answer, maybe not. Right, So, offshore fishing is a 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.879 big deal in southern Louisiana, right, You guys are all 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.199 about tuna and wahoo and swordfish, but some of the 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.960 biggest makos in the country live in the Gulf of Mexico, 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.560 And by and large, I feel like the Louisiana off 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.280 short crowd really wants nothing to do with them, and 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.639 I will I will point out, but I want to say, like, 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:01.560 I think that's a good thing for the sharks, but 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:03.879 I'm not about killing all these sharks. But you boys 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.240 also like a stock freezer, and and mako meat is 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.399 very tasty. So I never understood why mako fishing wasn't 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:12.440 more of a thing down there. That's not entirely true. 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:15.280 There's definitely guys who do it, but you gotta understand 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.119 the economic driver for venice, which is you know, the 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.640 capital of orf shore fishing is the tuna. It's known 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:22.720 as Tuna Town. So people come here to catch tuna. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.040 That's what you know. So the captains, that's what their 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:26.959 trips are geared to. Now I'll can tell you this 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.320 in the last ten years, it's swordfishes is a close 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.640 section shore. So it's not necessarily that they don't target mako, 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:35.760 because I've seen guys like Trey p K with Voodoo 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.119 charters get some enormous makos. I just you know, I 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.680 think that those other things that are more uh yeah, 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:46.600 that's where their business is geared towards. I definitely can 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.440 can say that they know and appreciate the mako fishery. 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:51.840 It's just that their clients who pay to go with 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.360 them want to catch tuna and swords. Sure, sure, you're 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:58.840 just not seeing those makos themselves. Probably really enjoy the 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.520 mako and really appreciate it, but they gotta, you know, 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.080 take the folks who are paying to catch what they want. Interesting, 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.119 one of these days I should come down there, and uh, 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.560 I just would love to catch a giant mako, catch 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.080 and release just to say I did it. I've never 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:11.720 caught him as big as I know you have them 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:13.719 down there. Anyway, now that we have the waters all 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:15.760 chummed up here, let's see if you get slaughtered this 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:17.960 week when Hayden Samic and I dive head first into 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:26.639 some oily, bloody fish news. Fish news that escalated quickly. 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.240 We've got a bunch to talk about today. First and foremost, 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:35.240 Episode one of B Side Fishing Season two drops today 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:38.000 and if any of yeah, man, if any of you 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.679 are listening early in the morning, perchance, I believe it 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:44.200 hits meat Eater's YouTube channel at eleven Mountains, so one 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.720 pm Eastern. But man, I gotta say, people, people don't understand, 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.080 like how getting something like b Side out It's kind 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:51.520 of like giving birth, you know what I mean, Like 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.760 months of work and you finally see baby alive in 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.879 the world. And um, episode one, I gotta say it 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:00.439 might be like one of one of my favorite videos 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:05.560 I've ever put together. And the topic is American shad fishing, 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.320 which I've covered that in the past, but never before 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.880 have I taken uh this level of deep dive into 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.679 the historical significance of the fish. And of course this 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.960 all centers around a challenge to eat a whole bunch 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:20.879 of shad proposed by our old buddy Miles Nulty. I 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:25.280 miss Miles, I know me too. I've been granted a 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:29.040 sneak peek at this episode, and I really thought it 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.119 was one of the best videos you've ever put together. 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:35.359 As thanks man, appreciate that. Um. I thought the bit 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.600 about the significance of shad in the Revolutionary War was 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:43.200 of particular interest. People don't realize, right, uh, And I 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:44.760 don't want to give it. I'm gonna give it all away. 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.040 But if it wasn't for American shad, you might be 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:49.159 British right now, like you might be eating tea and 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.600 strumpets instead of KFC. Because if it hadn't been for 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:56.439 the shad feeding Washington's army during the Revolutionary War at 0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:59.200 at exactly the right time, they would have all starved 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.359 to death and not been able to keep fighting. So, yeah, 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:04.480 you know, I've done a lot of being from the 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:06.320 East Coast, I did a lot of like you know, 0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:09.119 class trips to a valley forge and the first thing 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.359 you think about you get to that place is like, man, 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:16.280 it must have sucked to have had to stay here 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.640 through the winter. You're saying you're saying it sucks when 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:20.399 you're there on a class trip in the middle of 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:24.480 the summer, Like, imagine like living there in February, and 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:29.840 imagine living there eating nothing but shad. Yeah, terrible gift shop, too, 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:36.119 terrible gift shop. But but the whole point so yes, terrible. 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.280 Just survive on shad. Although a theme like the this 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.800 whole whole thing centers around, can we debunk that? Is 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:46.280 shad that bad to eat? Or would you only want 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:48.480 to eat it if you had to survive? Anyway, Hopefully 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:51.960 you guys will check that out today. Um. In the meantime, man, 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:55.280 I I gotta say, boy, did that sale been with 0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:59.840 the trout jigs? Hit? Like? I have been overwhelmed by 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.680 notes about that. I even got voice memos right, which 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:05.679 which normally we reserved for the nibbles and sip segment. 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:13.240 But here's a quickie from listener Colin Coffee. I hate 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:14.760 to be the guy to tell you this, but you 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.119 got robbed, dude. Those things are like thirty cents a piece, 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:23.880 maybe in the tackle shop up there. And this was right. 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:28.080 This was the overall consensus. Those jigs are nothing secret. 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.879 I've been told they are sold in every single shop 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:35.399 around Bennett Spring State Park. People have informed me that 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.720 they're are locally referred to as big hurt jigs and 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.040 a million people were like, yeah, whoever sold those to 0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:44.240 you is one of a hundred dudes here that insist 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.400 like he invented the wheel at Trout Parks, Like it's 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:51.040 not uncommon. I bet you that dude also invented mom 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:56.960 flies and what probably yeah, yeah, he takes credit for 0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:59.359 all of that. Um. And lastly, before we get on 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.800 to the news here you, sir, where the target of 0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:06.280 your first voice memo? Because last week you uh you 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:10.040 hit that that's my bar on the Altmar Hotel in Palaska, 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:16.400 New York. And I got this from listener Eli Creeden. Hey, Joe, 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:20.600 I've just got a brief message for Hayden. What all 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:23.119 to mention the Altmar Hotel and no talk of the 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:27.480 p VJ Wings? Come on now now, Peebe and Jay Wings? 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:30.840 How and why would you skip that? I want to 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:35.160 know more about this. I'm on Eli side. Well, Uh, 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.760 to be honest, it was kind of a killer Darling's 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:42.480 sort of scenario. I I had to cut something for time, 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:46.679 and unfortunately Joe, Eli, the Peb and J Wings didn't 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:51.919 mas to you will also might be a little disappointed 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:55.000 to know that PEB and J Wings are not quite 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:59.920 as like singular to Altmar Hotel as you might think. 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:01.760 In fact, I was. I was out there dinner with 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:05.359 my girlfriend last night, and it should so happen that 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:10.520 Burger Bob's on Main Street in Boson, Montana also sells 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:13.840 p B and J wings if you google there, like, yeah, 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.080 I think it's something about like the jelly sort of 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.600 caramelizing in such a way that it just kind of 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.720 lends itself, you know. Well, I I had never heard 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.040 of it before. Um, I guess I missed that one. 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:26.879 But even if I saw it on a menu, unless 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:28.920 I was sitting with somebody who was like, no, no, no, dude, 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.240 you have to order that, like they're amazing, I'd never 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.000 order that. I wouldn't order them. I have sat with 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.480 people who have been like no, no, no, dude, these 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:41.040 are amazing, and I still have not ordered him. Although interestingly, uh, 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.000 there are a bunch of folks in Philadelphia deposit that 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:48.880 that's what makes Lorenzo's pizza so good or in some 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:52.600 cases so bad, is that they also apparently used grape 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:56.720 jelly in the sauce. Really, I'd never heard that before, 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.240 and that's on South Street I've eaten years, but man, 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:04.000 Lorenzos makes I didn't know that. Yeah, oh yeah, huge, 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.560 huge slices. The only thing I've used grape jelly for 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.199 which I've had people scoff at until they try it. 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.000 Like if you ever have a good smoked sausage like 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.639 a Polish sausage or venison, so whatever you got, you 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:15.760 cook it down in a crock pot with fifty fifty 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:20.600 grape jelly to barbecue sauce. Fantastic. You're doing the little 0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:23.480 scoff thing now, Um, have you ever heard of have 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:26.399 you ever heard of the Philly taco? No, it is 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:29.320 a Jim's cheese steak wrapped up in a slice of 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:33.080 Lorenzo's pizza. Oh sorry, I just had to put that 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.920 in there. That's fine. If you're looking for a way 0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:38.560 to kill yourself with with a cloud artery, there you go. 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.800 That's the one. Anyway that it's enough about Pepe and 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.560 j Wings. Remember this is a competition. Hayden and I 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:46.920 do not know which story the other fella is bringing 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.120 to the table at the end. Are no nonsense. Audio 0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.560 engineer Phil will decide who has to buy the P, 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.720 B and J wings tonight. And uh, it is your lead, sir, 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.360 What do you got for us? All right? So this 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:02.360 week on Fish News, you're taking a trip to South Africa. 0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:06.760 That's an expensive plane ticket. Since Phil like saving the 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:11.160 whales so much, maybe he'll also be into saving the sharks. 0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:13.920 Maybe I just gotta interject and said, I've heard from 0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:15.560 a few people who are like, how did you let 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.080 Hayden beat you with a whale story? It was a 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:25.600 whale of a story, Joe Man. This one comes from 0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:29.600 News twenty four in South Africa last week. And I 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.960 apologize in advance because I'm sure I'm about to mess 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:36.920 this name up. Uh. De Vetti a South African wildlife 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:42.240 sounded right? Sounded right? South African wildlife activists decided to 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:46.280 take a swim to save the sharks. Specifically, he chose 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:50.200 to swim from a I really should have looked this 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:55.360 up Gangs by coast too, Dire Island and back in 0:29:55.440 --> 0:30:01.080 a seven point seven kilometer loop. Now, healthy, okay, healthy dude? Now, 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.920 why did choose this particular route to Dire Island? Uh? 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:09.720 Dire Island is part of an area known as shark Alley. Basically, 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:11.760 there are a bunch of seals that post up on 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:15.160 an adjacent island each winter and pup. So you got 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.560 a lot of these big old white sharks just kind 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.080 of cruise in the area between the two islands looking 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:23.440 for some fun sized seal snacks. You think we can 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.000 find some seal oil to dip the frills and fishing. 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:29.360 Because of this, dire island has been known as a 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.840 hot spot for great white sharks for the last like 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:36.440 hundred years. That is, until recently. Biologists and I guess 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.360 you'd call them like recreational shark observers or shark tourists. 0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:42.880 Sure there's people to do that, just fly all over 0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.760 to look at sharks. Yeah, whatever, Folks have been noticing 0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:49.880 there are less sharks around the island. Now. Doty has 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.600 taken it upon himself to draw attention to this problem 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.560 by taking a swim through these previously shark infested waters. 0:30:56.680 --> 0:31:01.280 And you know it's a stunt, right, but it's pretty impressive. 0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.600 The dude really put his money where his mouth is. Like, 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.080 you think this isn't a problem, I'm going to show 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.160 you exactly how confident I am that the shark population 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.360 is messed up around here. Yeah, and I appreciate what 0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:15.760 guys doing, but I mean, you said it, dude, it's 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.280 a stunt. I mean there's also an element of of 0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:21.640 of luck there. Um, you know, I'm sure die Are Island. 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:23.360 That's where they film a ton of the Shark Week stuff, 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.520 like the seals, you know behind the boat where they're 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.920 they're pulling the fake seal and like it's just kind 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:29.880 of it's kind of like fishing, right. What you don't 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.040 see is is how many hours or days they spent 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:34.320 doing that and not getting any sharks to blow up 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:41.360 on it. So it's yeah, it's a exactly So it's 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.560 it's it's a little stunty, but that's it's okay. Yeah, 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.560 And to be fair, it is like kind of like 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:50.600 the the pinnacle moment of a documentary that the guys 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:54.080 putting together, the ultimate goal of which is to ban 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:57.360 shark nets, which are currently in place off the coast 0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:00.600 of many South African beaches. For those who don't know, 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.080 a shark net is like less of a benign barrier 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:06.560 and more of a giant ass gill net that not 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.800 only kills a ship ton of sharks but also a 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.520 bunch of other marine life as a result of by catch. Um, 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.960 I would guess that you could probably find some really 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:18.720 good fishing right around them. Though. Oh I'm sure, man, 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:20.719 I'm sure. I'm sure. Sure those nets are as good 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.320 as a floating whale carcass offshore, you know what I'm saying. 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:26.320 I'm sure everything comes in looking for the strugglers in there. 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:34.040 So anyway, uh de toy. I like the inflection on you. 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:38.720 You really it's very French, but that doesn't really make 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:43.080 sense in South Africa, UHI has taken the lack of 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:46.000 sharks around Dier Island as evidence that there has been 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.720 a massive population crash, mostly at the hands of man 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.720 i e. The gill nets. And while it's true that 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.880 the rate which we've been killing sharks borders on like 0:32:56.000 --> 0:33:01.040 extermination and the population is certainly in decline, that might 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:05.120 not be what's going on in this specific instance. Right 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:10.080 a shark biologist for Dire Island Conservation Trust, Allison Towner, 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.400 I use somebody who's deeply familiar with this population of 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.040 white sharks thinks it's something else. In an interview given 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:19.360 to the same media source from which I lifted like 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:25.000 this entire story, she suggests that it's actually orca presence 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:29.160 causing the sharks to abandon the area. Oh interesting, Okay, 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:35.280 that's a twist. I like it. Plot twist. Uh. One 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.479 might think that it's the orcas out competing the sharks 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:42.400 for delicious delicious seal babies, forcing the sharks into waters 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.720 with less competition for food, but she doesn't think that 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:49.080 that's the case. Rather, the sharks appear to be leaving 0:33:49.160 --> 0:34:01.240 to avoid becoming prey themselves. Since twenty seventeen, orcas have 0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.960 been actively attacking white sharks around Dyer Island, caused them 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:09.000 to temporarily vacate the area before eventually returning. As more 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.520 and more orch attacks have been occurring, the sharks have 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.880 been staying away for longer and longer. That said, the 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:18.920 sharks have always returned, and in fact, throughout May and 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:22.320 June of this past year, Towner herself tagged eight white 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:26.160 sharks and observed a bunch more. That is, until an 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:29.080 orca attack caused the white sharks to vacate the area 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:32.919 yet again, and as of recently, the sharks have not 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:38.200 been observed in the area since that attack on white sharks. 0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:41.480 White sharks on that's the ultimate predator. That's like every 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:45.000 kid's like hero fish. I'm very upset to hear that 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:49.680 that marine mammals are pushing out white marine mammals suck, dude, 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.960 workers are just bigger dolphins. And we all know you 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:58.760 hate dolphins. I do. I hate it anyway, Your hatred 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:00.880 of dolphins is neither here nor there. The fact is 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:05.640 the dude kind of the dude made his point in 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:08.239 a big way. To be clear, he's like also not 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.560 calling for folks to like just completely vacate the beaches 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.680 and let the sharks have their way. Rather, he's suggesting 0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.960 a more shark friendly approach to I guess being unfriendly 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:23.560 to sharks and deterring them. Okay, Detroit points out that 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:27.319 our fear of sharks is I'm switching it up, man, 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.799 deal with it. That's fine. Our fear of sharks is 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.520 basically irrational in the first place. He notes that last year, 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.680 uh ten people out of a population of like eight 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.520 billion were killed by a variety of sharks species, and 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:44.760 during the same period of time two forty people drowned. 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:49.600 He comes to the conclusion that we should be thousand 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.680 more times afraid of water than sharks. And I didn't 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.520 check that math. So if it's wrong, don't DM me. 0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.600 I think you missed a zero, and I would d 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:02.960 m M please d M them I back at you. 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:05.920 I deserve it, So I sort of follow him on that. 0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:09.799 In general, I do think that we've demonized sharks like 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.880 far beyond their actual immediate threat to us. But what 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.920 are you saying? He is super reductive and assumes that 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.040 everybody has an equivalent amount of interaction with the water 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:24.399 or sharks, like to contextualize out a little bit as 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:26.560 a dude who spends a lot of time poking around 0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.759 for critters and grizz country, like, my chances of a 0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:35.480 bear attack are astronomically higher than my grandmother's or yours 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.880 over New Jersey. Yeah, she's just at the Dollar General. 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.279 She's not in grizz Country at all. She does love 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:46.719 the Dollar General. Man. Still Grandmas do Dollar General and 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.200 casinos at these beef jerkeys from the Dollar General like 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:55.200 they expired eight years ago. Graham Still, Uh, we may 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:59.399 have overreacted a little, um And there are a bunch 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.040 of alternative is to essentially gill netting Great Whites in 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:06.200 response to their perceived threat. One such alternative is having 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.759 shark spotters and if you've ever seen Jaws too, that's 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.960 where pilots and observers, you know, patrol beaches looking for 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.560 sharks and calling down a threat should one be spotted. 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.360 This has been employed on the west coast of South 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:22.520 Africa and has proven to be really effective. Um. Another 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:26.560 option are drum lines. The thug little one of the 0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:30.480 drummer boy. I'm going to just assume that was a 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:33.560 clip from the film drum Line, and you have not 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.200 seen Days of Thunder. I have never seen drum lines, 0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:38.880 so I guess now we're even You mean Nick Cannon's 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:45.680 seminal work. Uh, yeah, that great dramatic actor. Drum Lines 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:49.279 rely on bated hooks attached to booye's to catch sharks. Uh. 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:52.360 They still have bycatch or whatever, but not nearly to 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:56.399 the extent scene with shark nets. And recently, around two 0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:00.600 thousand fifteen, smart drum lines have been developed send a 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:04.239 signal to rangers on shore when they've caught something, theoretically 0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:07.160 allowing those rangers to go out and free to buy, catch, 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:14.040 or even relocate sharks. Interesting Okay. This has been tested 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.720 on the island of Reunion in the Indian Ocean. Where 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.279 fifteen of these smart drum lines have been deployed, and 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.759 they found that on average, a fisherman can reach a 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:25.240 smart line within an hour and a half of an alert, 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:30.040 and around of animals captured end up surviving the ordeal, 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:35.799 which is a much better than the survivability gill nets. Absolutely, 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:40.520 I gotta say, man, that's that's very cool technology. And 0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.640 I mean, I have to imagine even during um or 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.200 at least I guess during the high season, for when 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.480 when swimmers and sharks are coinciding on these beaches, that's 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:52.040 got to be somebody's full time gig. And that would 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:54.960 be a great full time gig. Like you just sit 0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.759 around and play mind Sweeper two. Your phone pings, it's like, uh, 0:38:57.840 --> 0:38:59.560 I gotta go out and free a great white, like 0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:01.640 just hang out and then go run out there and 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.359 play around with with the sharks. I think that would 0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:06.719 be cool as hell. Um My only other thought, just 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:09.200 because I'm kind of a sicko like that, I just 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:12.359 I imagine in my head like during dude swim, like 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.200 as he's swimming, like he's the middle of the way 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.680 through it and he's just like, see there's no sharks 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:19.760 out here, and an orchid just comes up and takes 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:24.239 him like just full orca breach in the mouth, and 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:26.799 I'd be like, well, how ironic was that the toy 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.160 did not look out for the orcas? No, exactly, Um, 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.120 it's pretty funny. Actually, in the trailer for this documentary 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.960 that he's putting together, there's one moment where like a 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.640 seal pops up next to him and clearly scares the 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:45.160 ship out of the guy. That was wrong you talking 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.160 about sharks spotters? You know, like he made the chopper 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:50.799 do three extra loops before you go in. Like, are 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.600 you sure, Mike that there are no sharks out there 0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:56.960 right now? You know what I mean? Better home? Mike 0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:04.360 likes him, all right, Well, you did a story about 0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:07.720 a giant fish here, Um, not the biggest whale. Sharks 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.400 are bigger, but great whites are cooler. I too have 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.120 a story about a giant fish, and I can barely 0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:14.120 believe this is happening. But I have to do a 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:18.560 record story two weeks in a row because buying that, 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.239 because a bunch of listeners forwarded this to me, and 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:23.239 I feel it's my duty to report on this one. 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:27.279 Because everyone loves Walleye, right, and everyone except me, But 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:31.520 I recognize and appreciate their significance in the fishing community. 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:35.080 And I must say this one warms my heart because, uh, 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:38.880 if like Ross Robertson caught a new state record walleye, 0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:41.000 I'd be like, of course he did, right, Like he's 0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.080 a he's a Walleye machine, he has all the latest 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:46.440 and greatest gear, he's super dialed. But the victor in 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.680 this story is like the polar opposite of a guy 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:53.319 like Ross Robertson, which makes the story great. This is 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:57.680 coming from go eerie dot com headline state record Walleye 0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:02.520 possible after Connell's Ville man catches huge fish. Who is 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:18.520 that man? Well, it's Richard the Breeze Nicholson. So the 0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:20.680 nickname is the Breeze and he looks kind of like 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:24.400 the dude, right like Lebowski. But how big was the 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:28.480 breeze as walleye thirty four inches eighteen point one pounds 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:33.239 caught in Pennsylvania's Yakaganey River on October and if it's 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:35.759 certified as a state record, it will beat out the 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.040 seventeen pound nine out state record that was caught in 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:43.160 the Allegheny Reservoir and has stood since nine so that 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:46.279 one's been around man like p A hasn't seen a 0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:48.960 record walleye in what's that like forty one year, So 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:50.880 I'm like that, I'm kind of shocked that this record 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:54.799 isn't coming out of Lake Erie. Yeah exactly, because you're 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.040 absolutely right Erie. P A is right on the lake there, 0:41:57.120 --> 0:42:00.440 you would think. But now, man, Yakagany River, which I've 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.840 never fished, but I've heard it's a great sleeper brown 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.360 trout river. Like people you fish the yak. I'm like, 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:09.359 don't talk about the yak while we're talking about it now. 0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:13.200 But anyway, Um, so was the breeze running around on 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.279 the yach with a jetboat equipped with side scan and 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.200 down scan and all the other pro wally accouterments. Not 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:22.040 even close, As the breeze says himself very succinctly in 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:27.520 a quote from the story, I'm a live baitman, Yes, yes, 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:32.200 So the bait that took the beast was a live 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:36.600 creak chub, which the breeze trapped himself right. He only 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.840 fishes from the bank, and that evening he had already 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:42.759 landed an eighteen inch sauger and a twenty seven in 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:47.760 nine and a half pound Wally. Okay, the eighteen pounder, Yeah, 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.040 I mean, dude, nine and a half from short that's amazing. 0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.040 I love this guy. I dude, I love them too. Uh. 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:55.000 You're gonna love more and more as we go on. 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:59.760 The eighteen pounder sucked up that creek chubb around seven pm. Okay, 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.960 and according to the breeze, he fought the fish for 0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:10.640 twenty to twenty five minutes. Now, let's hold let's compose ourselves. 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:14.600 Let's hold the phone. Okay. I will discuss the tackle 0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:16.960 he was using in a minute. But I'm telling you 0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:21.200 right now, even though his awesome choice of tackle would 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.920 make any fight a little more sporty, there isn't a 0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:27.680 walleye on this planet that's got twenty to twenty five 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:32.840 minutes of fighting it. Yeah, okay, here's here's some context 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:35.839 to put it in perspective. That would be like if 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:38.719 I hooked a walleye the second I pulled out of 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.600 my driveway, I wouldn't get it in the net until 0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:46.280 I reached Center City, Philadelphia. Okay, that's about a twenty 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:49.719 five minute drive with no traffic. And that's impossible. And 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:53.440 I'm gonna say that that that that's a gross exaggeration 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:57.000 after the fact, Breeze. I'm sorry, but I'm pinging you there. Okay, 0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:59.520 even if you if you were spoiled with a strand 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:01.520 of human hair, it wouldn't take twenty five minutes to 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:06.160 land an eighteen pound walleye. So two things. One, are 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:09.040 you saying that it's impossible that you would get to 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:17.640 the Philadelphia Airport without traffic, because I believe that. Secondly, Secondly, 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.800 while I you're right, I mean they kind of suck 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:26.400 in fact, Chester Floyd over here meat eater and Seth 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:30.080 they love to go catch walleye. Chester has a fish allergy, 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:33.560 cannot eat walleye. I have no idea why the hell 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.080 the dude is going out and just catching them just 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:39.359 to release him. Listen, listen, I'm not you're You're giving 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:42.080 me an opportunity to crack a joke about Seth and Chester, 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:44.000 who I don't talk too often, and I don't like 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:45.960 making fun of people I don't know all that well. 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:48.760 But I look at their Instagram stories and their walleye fishing, 0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:50.640 and no one is talking. All you ever hear is 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.440 just that light hule slap on the hull. It's just 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:57.760 silence and light hull slap, and I'm like, colon, I haven't. 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.400 Let's get excited about something here anyway, and that's that 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.600 is what it is, okay. Uh, but let's hit on 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.520 that tackle because it is pretty cool. Okay. So per 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:11.759 the story, the breeze was using a noodle rod and 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.759 his real was spooled with six pound test and he 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:18.160 does this for the extra sensitivity to ensure he knows 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:21.040 the exact second when a walleye picks up his bait. 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.680 And this makes total sense to me because most of 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:26.719 the time you have no idea that a walleye just 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:29.279 picked up your ship, okay, because they don't. They don't 0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:31.759 like hit very hard either most of the time, so 0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:35.160 that's genius. But even so, it can't take twenty five 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:37.319 minutes to land a walleye on a noodle rod. I mean, 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:41.239 you're a steelhead guy. Noodle rods were designed to absorb 0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:45.040 the fast, hard runs and thrashes of steelhead and salmon. 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.440 And I mean six pound tests. That's light, but it's 0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.520 not two pound tests. So like eighteen pound steelhead on 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:55.160 six pound Yeah, I'm nervous about that eighteen pound wally, 0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.000 not at all. It couldn't have thought that much harder 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:01.239 than the nine pounder he caught. I mean, I fish 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:05.200 steelhead with six pound test all the time. Yeah, all 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.360 the time, and particularly if it's like Flora or something 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:11.520 where it's like not going to completely fail the second 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:14.000 it gets like a little bit of a nick in it, right, 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:18.080 I would say that it is a very long time 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.680 to be fighting that fish. Yeah, exactly exactly. So look, 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:24.080 and we're not. I'm not, I'm not. It's still an 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.359 awesome catch. I just when somebody tells me they fought 0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.520 a wall eye for five minutes, I'm like, no, you didn't. Anyway. 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:33.560 So the breeze was fishing with his son, and when 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:37.080 his son finally got this fish to the net, right, 0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:39.600 the story says that the big old wall I snapped 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.799 the net handle. That I believe, right, I believe that. 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.240 I mean eighteen pounds of fish. Eighteen pounds fish. That's 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:46.120 big old fish. So what do they do with the 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:49.600 fish after catching it? Race it off to a certified scale? Nay, 0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.319 they did not. They put it in the bathtub. The 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.239 breeze keeps outside on his property that's rigged up to 0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.880 keep fish alive until he's ready to eat them. Compart 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.360 this story. The Breeze is known around town for hosting 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:05.280 Friday night events he calls hill Billy Surf and Turf, 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:09.799 where he makes hamburgers and whatever fish are presently in 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:13.480 the outside bathtub. I want to hang out with this man. 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:15.680 I just love him so much. I just want to 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:17.080 be a part. I want to be a part of 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:20.399 all this. It's so good. Um. So it was his son, 0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:23.759 Richard Jr. Who stopped the Breeze from instantly taking a 0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:27.160 knife to the fish because he was like, hey, Dad, 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.319 you know we might we might have a record here. 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:32.880 So they waited on an old hanging scale that they 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:35.759 just had in their garage or whatever. They saw that 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:38.440 it hit eighteen pounds um. Then immediately took it to 0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:41.440 a local grocery store and had the butcher way it 0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.839 to confirm. And when they saw that the weight match, 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.080 that's when they knew. They were like, okay, we got it. 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:48.600 So basically, all that needs to happen to make this 0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:52.800 official is the paperwork filed and and the fish triple 0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:55.160 and double check, and if it all checks out, the 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:57.440 Breeze has a state record. And this is my favorite part. Right, 0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:00.440 he caught the fish in a spot he's been fishing 0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:04.640 for fifty years and he started fishing it with his dad. 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:13.880 Wait for it, Glenn the wind, Nicholson, he's the wind 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:21.360 too much. So if Granddad was the wind and the 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:23.840 sun is the breeze, what's the grandsun light in variable 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.919 occasional gust of fifteen? I don't know. I just love 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.520 the whole. I love the whole, theming, I love everything 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:31.800 about it. I love when a record like this falls 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.320 to just a dude, just a dude on the bank 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:37.880 with a live creek chub. It's so much more satisfying 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.520 to me. And it's not, you know, that far out 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:47.279 from your opportunistic cat fisherman the other day. No, and 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:50.800 and and also you know, I think the yaka Gane 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:52.719 is a great example. Like I said, I know it 0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:55.359 as a as a trophy brown trout river. And there's 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:57.080 so many rivers like that where they have these deep 0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.440 dark holes in these spots and the average you know, 0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:01.680 flied you or whatever. He's gonna rip a streamers there. 0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:05.200 A few times nothing happens, but those holes always leave 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.520 you wondering like what's actually down Like some crazy ship 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:09.880 has to live in there, But you're so caught up 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:13.360 in how you want to fish. There's a strong chance 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:16.000 what you're doing will never allow you to see what's 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:18.680 in there because you're gonna rip one streamer through or whatever. 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.520 And it's just, I mean just he throws a creek 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:24.719 chub on the bottom and that's what gets it done. 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:28.080 And and it's guys like the Breeze in some ways 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.920 that I think are seeing more of what rivers like 0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:33.200 this have to offer than the guy who just wants 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:35.879 to be the streamer junkie or whatever. Yeah. Well, I'll 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:38.600 tell you what, man, there aren't a bunch of streamer 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:41.400 junkies that are gonna find themselves wildly successful on the 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:44.640 wall eye bite in general. No, now, But I've seen 0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:48.400 people do that and I'm like, I'm sorry, this is stupid. 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:50.080 All you just did was put on a really heavy 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:52.279 jiggy fly and bounce it off the bottom. It is 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:56.440 steven fly fishing. Um. The other thing that I wonder 0:49:56.520 --> 0:49:59.400 is how many like dedicated wall eye anglers are just 0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:02.040 like eating their teeth right now at the thought of 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:06.840 somebody keeping an eighteen pound walleye. Well there is that, yes, 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:09.200 that then there's something to be said for that. Also, 0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:12.120 I mean the breeze kind of spilled all the beans. 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:17.000 He's like places full of huge walleyes. It's like, would 0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:20.960 you have kept that, wallyye, Joe, No, I wouldn't have. 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.359 I wouldn't have and and and that's not just me 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:27.960 being righteous. Um, I'm I'm a firm believer in in 0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:31.640 for quality on the table, eating the smallest fish you 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.840 can legally eat in most cases, Like I'm like a 0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:38.160 like a twenty six in striped bass is better on 0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:40.759 the table than the meat from a forty pounder. Yeah, 0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:43.120 and I think that's true of a lot of fish. Yeah, 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.120 I certainly think that's true. Man. You know, I don't 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:48.920 keep a lot of the trout that I just because 0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.520 in general I kind of find trout to be not 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:56.640 my favorite fish to eat. What I will do is, um, 0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:59.200 I will keep some brookies here and there as long 0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:02.520 as they're like the ten inch mark. And that has 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:06.480 nothing to do with conservation. That is strictly a palette 0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:10.960 informed decision, right right, Well, regardless, he did keep it, 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:12.920 so there's no point in crying about it. I'm sure. 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:15.680 I'm sure the hill Billy surf and turf that Friday 0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:18.279 man he invited everybody from the next neighborhood over to 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:22.200 with a feed like that. Fun story regardless. Congrats to 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:24.080 the Breeze, and I really mean it seems like a 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:25.560 cool dude. I would love to hang out with them. 0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:27.640 We'll see who Phil wants to hang out with now, 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:31.840 the Shark, Swimmer or the Breeze at the Hillbilly Surf 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:34.480 and Turf event. And when we're done, we've got a 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:37.600 weekly word for you, guys. We're diving back into the 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:42.319 world of fun derogatory slang terms for outsiders. This one 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:45.840 coming from the homeland of this week's co host, Jared Serenier, 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:53.759 Southern Louisiana. Hayden, your story ran the gamut. It had 0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:57.600 everything backstory that tied into some science and some problem solving. 0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:01.359 It was great, but unfortun and only for you. I 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:04.400 was caught off guard this fine Friday morning by the 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:10.520 wind and the breeze through my hair. Joe, You're the winner, Joe. 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:12.080 I'm just gonna try to get ahead of the d 0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:15.440 MS on this one. Earlier you said that without shaded, 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:17.319 there's a chance we could all be British and we'd 0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:20.440 be eating a lot more tea and strumpets. I believe 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:23.000 you meant crumpets. I mean, I'm an open minded guy. 0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:25.600 I just don't know if that diet would fly in 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:29.840 the year of our Lord. But hey, England, if you 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:32.320 ever decided to give her the old college try again 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:34.239 and you end up winning, go ahead and bring over 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:37.279 a few of those Nando's Chicken places. That'd be very 0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:41.399 game for that. So I have just been informed by 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.480 Joe that Tan Strumpets is a dumb and dumber reference 0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:48.719 that went right over my head. Oh well, pardon me, 0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:53.040 Mr perfect. I guess I've forgotten that you never ever 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:57.960 make a mistake. But I will wipe the egg off 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:00.160 my face and for the second time in there you 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:03.000 of this podcast, Fish News has a loser, and his 0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:12.880 name is me. Webster's Dictionary defines fish as this week's 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:17.000 word is chivo, and it was submitted by listener Nick Bradley, 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:20.359 who lives in St. Bernard Parish in deep southeast Louisiana, 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:24.040 just like this week's guest co host Jared Serennier. Now, 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:28.440 we've highlighted several derogatory terms for outsiders here, such as Benny, 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:31.680 Shooby and fib but I have to admit I was 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:34.359 humbled by Nick, who presented a slang term which I'd 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:38.560 never heard of, and like many local derogatory terms for outsiders, 0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:40.480 this one can be used in a fit of anger 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:45.200 or during a jovial moment between friends. Nick writes St. 0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:48.000 Bernard Parish is home to some of the best inshore 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.080 fishing in the country and has a centuries old, vibrant 0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:54.279 fishing culture. It's literally part of the heritage of the 0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:57.160 people of St. Bernard Parish, and it's that heritage that 0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:02.280 gives us our word for outsiders. Chievos chivo is Spanish 0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:06.200 for kid, as in a baby goat. In the seventeen seventies, 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:10.360 the most southeasterly part of St. Bernard Delacro was settled 0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:12.960 by the Islanios people of the Canary Islands, which was 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.840 a Spanish colony. The Islanios made a living on the 0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:19.200 water as fishermen, and commercial fishing remains the community's primary 0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:22.239 way of life to this day. In order to be successful, 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:25.719 the Isslanio's learned and understood the deep intricacies of the 0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:28.399 swamp and marsh around them. When others would come into 0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:32.080 the area and run aground due to unfamiliarity, they would 0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:35.280 stack objects on the decks of their vessels, stand atop 0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:37.359 them in order to look out over the marsh and 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:39.640 try to make sense of where they were and where 0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:44.640 they could successfully navigate. The locals witnessing this recurring phenomenon 0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:47.799 found humor in it and thought that these stranded outsiders 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:50.480 looked like the goats high on the cliffs and volcanic 0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:54.640 mountains of their homeland, the Canary Islands, thus referring to 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:59.200 them as chivos. Chivos still remains a word for unfamiliar 0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:01.799 nonlocals out on the water, as well as a term 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:04.399 of endearment for your buddy who tries he might just 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:07.440 sucks at fishing. I hope you all enjoyed this bit 0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:11.799 of local history about the parish and our heritage. I 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:14.799 enjoyed it immensely, Nick, and I'd love to adopt it, 0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:17.000 but I'm just not sure chivos will resonate with any 0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:19.120 of the idiots running the ground in Barnagot Bay in 0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:22.399 New Jersey. However, you are running with a fellow Saint 0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:25.520 Bernard boy this week, so let's see whether Jared thinks 0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:28.920 you nailed this slang lesson or if you're a chievo 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:35.280 when it comes to navigating local history. I think Nick's 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.040 intentions were good, and I think he I think he 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:41.880 got I think he got close all right, But I 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:44.120 had to do a little digging, okay. And the red 0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:46.960 flag for me was the fact that he said that. 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:50.239 The red flag for me was when he said that 0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:52.600 they used the word chievo as a goat from the 0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:56.200 Canary Islands. But you got a figure they came from 0:55:56.200 --> 0:55:59.640 the Canary Islands in the late seventeen hundreds. The word 0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:02.640 probably didn't start being using until like the early night 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:05.960 at the at the very earliest, early nineteen hundreds. That's 0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:09.680 a two hundred years. So I'm like, I don't think 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.040 there was anybody around at that point who remembers I 0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:14.440 had heard about goats in the Canary Islands. So that 0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:16.520 was the one for me. And look, I'd used this 0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:18.600 word growing up, heard the word growing up. I've heard 0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:21.799 that exact explanation of it, and I've probably heard the 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:23.680 real explanation of it in the past, just kind of 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:25.160 you know, I just had to had to tread and 0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:26.640 I had to go into deep water a little bit 0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:31.279 on called called the resident expert on all things Lanos, 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:36.840 my uncle Wimpy. Okay, why is Uncle Wimpy not on 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.239 with us? I want to talk to Uncle Wimpy? All right, 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.520 what did he Uncle Wimpy is one of the last 0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:44.839 remaining and this is this is pretty cool. He's one 0:56:44.840 --> 0:56:47.880 of the last remaining speakers of Lanio Spanish alive in 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:50.799 the world today. So yeah, so you gotta figure that 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:53.920 Spanish came over from the Canaries in the seventeen hundreds, 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:57.680 then kind of got mixed in with mainland Spaniards probably, 0:56:57.800 --> 0:56:59.919 you know, a little bit after that. So these guys 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:02.880 speaking their own language down there at Delacro they were 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:05.320 cut off from the from the world. You know, they 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:07.920 language never evolved, so in a lot of ways, it's 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:12.680 kind of a historic way of speaking. So he's one 0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:15.480 of the last guys left alive today who speaks that dialect, 0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:17.520 who speaks that type of Spanish. So I call him. 0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:19.400 I said, oh, I got something to talk to you with. 0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:24.040 You know, let's talk about Shivah, right, And I said, look, 0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:27.360 here's what the dude said on Joe's podcast, and you'll 0:57:27.360 --> 0:57:30.760 tell him what Nick said. And he's like, nah, not quite. 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:35.160 He's close, but not quite it. So here's the real deal. 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:39.520 So sometime around the early nineteen hundreds, folks from New 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:42.600 Orleans started word got out how good the fishing was 0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:45.000 at Delacrox. But it's not like it is now where 0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:47.800 like you know, pretty much everybody has their own boat. 0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:49.600 I mean, it was hard to get a boat back then. 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:53.240 There wasn't even a real road into Delacrox Island. It 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:55.960 was just a rock road. So the cats started coming 0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:58.960 down from the city looking for folks who already lived there, 0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:01.320 locals to take them fishing because they had heard about 0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:03.640 how good the fishing was. And then so so the 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:06.640 cats from Delacro were supplying New Orleans with shrimp and 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:08.280 fish and all the things they need to you. The 0:58:08.600 --> 0:58:11.800 word was getting out, but you didn't have a boat, 0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:12.880 you didn't have no way to go. So you have 0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:15.360 to go down there and hire a boat to take you. Well, 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:18.880 I mean that right there should tell you there's gonna 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:21.480 be some some mixture of folks who have a lot 0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:26.000 of experience on the boat. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this is 0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:30.720 the early version of every dock in the Florida Keys. Exactly. 0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:33.160 So this is where and this is how. This is 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:36.280 how close Nick got. Okay, so the way he uncle 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:39.320 Whitby explained it was that so all the boats at 0:58:39.360 --> 0:58:41.360 that point at that time had a cabin on them, 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:43.000 you know, where you'd be inside the cabin because they 0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:47.760 were commercial fishing boats. So the folks from New Orleans 0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:50.360 would get on the boat and they wanted to to 0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:52.640 to get up and see things. Where nick was said 0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:54.960 they get on top of the cabin, but they were 0:58:55.000 --> 0:58:57.840 they were just so clumsy and goofy on the boats. 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:01.520 They would fall, you know, they fall overboard, they'd get 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:03.760 up on the cabinet. They just were so they were 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:06.720 so out of swords. It was almost you would have 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:10.280 gotten the same type of experience if you had taken 0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:12.720 a goat and putting a goat on the boat for 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:15.520 the first time, because the goat would not know how 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.760 to act on the boat. So that's where it comes in. 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:23.680 So the actual word chievo is the mainland Spanish word 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:25.800 for a goat. The Canary word is a cobra, so 0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:28.000 it's not even the same word. So it's the fact 0:59:28.080 --> 0:59:30.320 that they had mountain goats and the Canary Islands. The 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:32.640 the guys who lived at Delacro in the early nine 0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:34.680 hundred who started using the word, they didn't even know 0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:37.960 they were Canary Islanders. That's how far they were from 0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:40.600 that experience. They didn't. Uncle Whippy said, they didn't really 0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:43.440 even know that they were Canary Islanders until the nineteen seventies. 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:46.640 So like all that had been forgotten. It's just a 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:50.120 coincidence that you had goats in the Canaries and that 0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:53.520 they were using this word. Achiev o. I did. I 0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:57.400 love this though, Like I'm like, thank you to Uncle Wimpy, 0:59:57.440 --> 0:59:59.560 but also thanks to Nick because even though okay, like 0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:03.000 uncle and be clarified like that kicked off this conversation 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.040 because I was very I was very intrigued by by 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:08.560 Nick's definition. So I feel like that is like we 1:00:08.680 --> 1:00:11.600 really learned some some history there, oh for sure. And 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:18.040 look Conway, the folks he had the mako. Just leave 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.920 the brie out of it, all right, I love it, 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:22.840 love it. I'll be munching on some bree in the 1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:25.240 duck line and on the boat man, I'll like some breath. 1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:28.360 You know, you don't have to be achieving to enjoy brith. 1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:31.760 They no, you don't. You don't at all anyway. So 1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:34.120 we are just about done for this week, but before 1:00:34.160 --> 1:00:36.160 we go, if you need a recommendation, for the tie 1:00:36.160 --> 1:00:37.800 on the end of your line this weekend. How about 1:00:37.800 --> 1:00:40.520 a pleasure chad from our sponsors thirteen Fishing. It's the 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:43.880 paddle tail swim bait that's ribbed for his or her pleasure. 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:46.680 Uh yeah, yeah, I know Jared's giving me this look, 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:48.440 but that's what they wrote on their website. Man. The 1:00:48.520 --> 1:00:52.040 ribs also provide extra stimulation, maybe two red fish sea trout, 1:00:52.120 --> 1:00:55.280 perhaps down your way. I would love to be stimulating 1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:57.280 those with my pleasure Shad, but I will settle for 1:00:57.400 --> 1:01:00.600 local small jaws. Anyway, I've decided we're gonna skip the 1:01:00.640 --> 1:01:02.520 full end of the line segment this week and close 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:04.360 out with the sale bin because I've got a listing 1:01:04.360 --> 1:01:06.320 here that should be fun to pick apart with Jared, 1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:10.520 especially since he's both a hardcore hunter and angler. Why 1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:12.160 did you put the hand to pay? You don't know 1:01:12.200 --> 1:01:14.400 what I've gott man. You didn't have to be so 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:17.840 hurtful with me, so angry. So I found this listing 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:21.360 on Craigslist and it was posted in Fairborn, Ohio. But 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:23.480 for some reason, I feel like this could have easily 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:26.320 been a Louisiana based listing, Like is that fair? I 1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:29.760 feel like I've seen open car ports and quansa huts 1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:32.439 filled with these same items while driving around down there. 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:35.080 I don't know that you would have someone who had 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:38.200 that much of this all in one place, and a 1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:39.680 lot of it has to do it well. We lose 1:01:39.720 --> 1:01:43.320 so much stuff in hurricanes, you know. To accumulate that 1:01:43.440 --> 1:01:46.080 much stuff means that you've been a long time without 1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:48.400 a hurricane. You know, that is true. I didn't think 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:50.440 of that your stuff would just get watched away a 1:01:50.560 --> 1:01:54.080 couple of times. That's fair. But this is what this 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:57.160 post is a great example um of a post where 1:01:57.160 --> 1:02:00.320 the items up for grabs aren't particularly interesting, right, the 1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:03.640 description and instructions are so detailed that it really helps 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:07.120 paint a picture of the seller. Okay, now, the title 1:02:07.120 --> 1:02:11.120 of the post is two and fifty fishing poles, seventeen 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:15.080 tackle boxes, and there are twenty photos accompanying this post 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:18.840 documenting just the piles and piles of ship that this 1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:23.160 guy has. So let's begin. We'll get into the description here. Fairborn, 1:02:23.240 --> 1:02:27.960 Ohio pickups only. I won't sell all at once or 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:33.280 in big bulks. Sorry all caps. No, I won't send 1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:37.800 them in the mail. Two fishing poles, open face, push 1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:42.560 button fly rods and bass bait casters. Catfish bait casters 1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:47.480 two to eighty dollars. Fly rods are around twenty dollars. 1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:51.560 Seventeen tackle boxes with some normal tackle fifteen to one dollars, 1:02:52.040 --> 1:02:55.320 many empty tackle boxes around five to eighteen dollars. So 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:57.440 a couple things jump out at me, right, and we're 1:02:57.440 --> 1:03:00.280 not even done yet. Two to eighty dollars is a 1:03:00.320 --> 1:03:03.480 massive price range on rods. So why are the fly 1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:06.160 rods around twenty dollars? Are they shitty fly rods or 1:03:06.400 --> 1:03:08.680 does he just like not care about them as much 1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:12.720 as the catfish bait casters. Right. Tackle boxes including normal 1:03:12.760 --> 1:03:16.320 tackle with included tackle range from fifteen to a hundred bucks. 1:03:16.360 --> 1:03:18.920 But he also has tackle boxes with no tackle that 1:03:18.960 --> 1:03:21.480 are more than the cheapest ones with tackle, and mind you, 1:03:21.840 --> 1:03:25.400 these are all old school hard plastic tackle boxes, right, 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:28.120 all right, let me just say I love this dude 1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:33.320 like whoever he is. I love him like I'm with you, brot, 1:03:33.520 --> 1:03:36.360 get your money. You know what you've got. Oh yeah, 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:38.720 you know he's gonna get his money because you'll love 1:03:38.800 --> 1:03:41.000 him more by the end. Okay, So we'll move on here, right. 1:03:41.080 --> 1:03:44.600 This is continuing from the description. He also has barnet 1:03:44.640 --> 1:03:48.080 bow ten dollars. Medium sized dog kennel new twenty dollars. 1:03:48.560 --> 1:03:53.000 Women's silver rings knew five dollars, five dollars, five dollars. 1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:57.880 Women's watches need batteries now two dollars each, bag of 1:03:57.960 --> 1:04:01.160 three turkey calls, a twelve gage turkey choke, and two 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:05.919 cameo masks. Pistol holder thirty eight dollars. Now here's where 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:09.840 things start to get weird. Right, the last item in 1:04:09.880 --> 1:04:13.520 this list, all it reads is ask if I have 1:04:13.560 --> 1:04:19.040 any ball cards for sale? Now? Dude? To me, right, 1:04:19.080 --> 1:04:21.880 doesn't that sound like secret code to you? Like when 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:24.280 you'll call, he'll know you're a serious buyer if you 1:04:24.320 --> 1:04:27.640 say the secret phrase. No, it sounds like a flex 1:04:27.680 --> 1:04:32.880 to me, Like ask me how many basketball cards I have? Thousands? 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:35.200 You know, like it's like my kid who like, like 1:04:35.240 --> 1:04:37.240 I can see my kid come out to me like dead, 1:04:37.400 --> 1:04:42.240 asked me how strong I am? That's a flex man, Dude, 1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:46.640 you could you could be right now, Remember, he said specifically, 1:04:46.680 --> 1:04:49.600 he refuses to sell all these items at once or 1:04:49.720 --> 1:04:52.320 break chunks of them off in bulk, right, He's trying 1:04:52.320 --> 1:04:56.640 to sell them individually. Yet, he says, when you text me. 1:04:56.840 --> 1:04:59.760 If you ask me questions about price or brands or 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:03.040 eyes or color or anything like that, I'm not going 1:05:03.120 --> 1:05:08.200 to answer you back. If you want to come see them, 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:16.160 you're welcome to period, all of you. I love him 1:05:16.200 --> 1:05:18.680 so right off the bat, dude, I'm all about the 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:22.600 turkey calls, the twelve gauge turkey choke, the two camel masks, 1:05:22.720 --> 1:05:24.680 which I want to say, if you've hundred with a 1:05:24.720 --> 1:05:27.520 turkey mask before you know, after about one season of 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:30.600 turkey hunting, that mask smells to high heaven. I was 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:33.320 gonna say, isn't it like you're like your coffee breath 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:35.960 and like hot germs like riddle and there're just like 1:05:36.040 --> 1:05:38.640 breathing steam into them all morning, aren't you. Yeah? But 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:41.360 I mean it's it's so great and then it gets 1:05:41.400 --> 1:05:44.320 better at the end. Included in that package for thirty 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:48.800 eight dollars is a pistol holster. Right now, I guess 1:05:48.840 --> 1:05:51.000 that when you're turkey hunting, you can't keep the pistol 1:05:51.040 --> 1:05:53.080 with you to shoot a snake. Everybody, but I'm I 1:05:53.120 --> 1:05:55.920 want to hear his explanation as to how the pistol holster. 1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:01.080 That's the package I want, and I'm offering up right 1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:06.880 now to you, sir, a mint condition Kobe Bryant. He's 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:12.360 actually holding the Kobe Bryant cards right and as as 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:14.280 we're about to learn that might take the whole pile, 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:17.560 that might take, he might give you the house and 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:20.880 um yeah, but he's also he's also open to trades, right, 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:23.720 so there's no cash on hand, no problem, he says, 1:06:23.760 --> 1:06:27.360 I might be open to some trades. I like basketball cards. Bang, 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:31.120 there you go, you're ready. I like basketball cards, firearms, 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:35.160 ball cards, depending on what they are, A nice crossbow 1:06:35.240 --> 1:06:38.480 and then it all caps again. Big eleven foot polls 1:06:38.560 --> 1:06:42.840 with Abu Garcia sixty hundreds, boys four and girls one, 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:47.640 toys depends maybe household stuff, nice home CD played loud, 1:06:47.920 --> 1:06:52.000 big smart TV. Stuff to keep beat alive, unused cast 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:55.080 nets or no holes. This dude needs to be on 1:06:55.120 --> 1:07:00.760 my YouTube channel. Bra is an interview. This this is 1:07:00.840 --> 1:07:03.320 your guy right here, man. I mean it sounds like 1:07:03.360 --> 1:07:06.600 he is all about some big catfish catch into the 1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:12.640 big eleven foot poles, big eleven foot poles, cat fishing equipment. 1:07:12.640 --> 1:07:14.520 It's like, obviously you're a cat guy, man, Why are 1:07:14.520 --> 1:07:17.080 you selling that? Um? I wish I live close by 1:07:17.080 --> 1:07:19.920 because I'd swing in. If anybody listening near Fairbore, Ohio 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:22.320 pops into rummage around in this tidal wave of tackle, 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:24.560 let us know what you find and how it works out. 1:07:24.920 --> 1:07:26.600 It seems like one of those deals where there's like 1:07:26.640 --> 1:07:30.960 a gem or two hiding among all those South Bend 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:34.120 pistol grip rods, you know what I mean? Maybe or 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:36.800 maybe not, I don't know. Remember if you find some wild, 1:07:36.840 --> 1:07:40.080 wacky or ridiculous fishing related wears on your favorite online 1:07:40.080 --> 1:07:42.880 classified site, fire that link to bent at the Meat 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:50.200 Eater dot com and if we use it, I'll stick you. 1:07:51.360 --> 1:07:53.240 So that's it for this week. Remember if someone gets 1:07:53.240 --> 1:07:55.480 you a fly shot at a seven pound mako, it's 1:07:55.480 --> 1:07:58.040 worth putting down the wine and cheese for a hot sec. 1:07:58.360 --> 1:08:00.600 I'm always open to trading my ball all cards for 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:04.360 gift cards to Louisiana Dakary shacks. Even terrible fishing is 1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:06.560 better than the best power point presentation. If you ever 1:08:06.560 --> 1:08:08.960 see Jared serene on the water and he calls you achiev, 1:08:09.000 --> 1:08:11.920 oh now you know why? Yeah, shout out to Uncle 1:08:11.920 --> 1:08:15.960 Wimpy for the glification, you know, bringing a little history 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:19.160 into it. I appreciate it. Uh. If y'all are interested, 1:08:19.280 --> 1:08:21.600 go on YouTube type in outside the Levies and not 1:08:22.080 --> 1:08:24.760 people give you a link YouTube duck up. No, go 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:30.080 on YouTube type in outside the Levies. See next time 1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:32.200 we're having Uncle Wimpy on the show Man. But I'm 1:08:32.240 --> 1:08:34.400 so glad you could hang out with us. Um find 1:08:34.479 --> 1:08:37.599 Jared on Instagram outside the Levies there. Like you said, 1:08:37.720 --> 1:08:40.360 subscribe to outside the Levies YouTube channel. You will not 1:08:40.400 --> 1:08:43.080 be disappointed, and hopefully we get to film some more 1:08:43.080 --> 1:08:45.320 stuff together in the near future. It's been a while, 1:08:45.800 --> 1:08:48.080 don't forget. I've always got eyes on those degenerate Angler 1:08:48.120 --> 1:08:52.120 and Bent podcast hashtags, and uh, I'm always coming the emails. 1:08:52.120 --> 1:08:54.000 We get it Bent at the metator dot com looking 1:08:54.000 --> 1:08:56.439 for the next sale Ben item bar nomination, awkward photo 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:58.519 and voice memo from you guys. If I use anything 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:00.800 you send in any way, shape or four, you'll get 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:02.320 a thing or two in the mail for me. But 1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:05.040 when you text me, if you ask me any questions 1:09:05.040 --> 1:09:08.280 about price or brands or size or color or anything 1:09:08.360 --> 1:09:11.040 like that, I'm not going to answer you back. No 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:13.960 tire characters, man, that's you know. I don't blame him 1:09:14.040 --> 1:09:16.439 like you can get in some texts when you post 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:17.800 stuff for sale online bro