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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff, your

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Speaker 2: weekly reminder that vampires and witches are entertaining things to

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Speaker 2: occasionally do episodes about in November, which Margaret claims is

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Speaker 2: still part of Spooky Times.

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Speaker 1: They drank blood, that's cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all the cool people drink blood, including our guest

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Speaker 2: just A Fiorentini. How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I don't think i've ever I've never had blood,

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Speaker 1: but if I were to have blood gross. No. I've

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Speaker 1: had a blood sausage and that's actually pretty gross but

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Speaker 1: also good in a way. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I cannot handle the idea of blood food. I'm

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Speaker 2: aware that it exists. I'm even when I was like sixteen,

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Speaker 2: I went to go like visit family in Ireland and

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Speaker 2: I was like, none of this is food. I wasn't

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Speaker 2: vegan yet, but like all of the like blood pudding,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, those are not words that belong in same.

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Speaker 1: No, that's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: Let alone. Yeah, and I mean I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean at least you're eating all of the animal, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, that's true or the person. Oh sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: There's something very Indiana Jones about like drinking blood. You know,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know why. I feel like, if and

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Speaker 1: when I become vegan, I won't watch like all the

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Speaker 1: you know, slaughter house stuff. I'll just watch like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Temple of Doom and be like, see, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't drink or eat monkey brains anyway. Vampires did cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also have problems with exoticism, much like Indiana Jones.

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Speaker 1: That's right, oh, big time, especially that movie, the second one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so okay. Normally this is a history podcast

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Speaker 2: where I talk about history, and this week it is

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Speaker 2: a folklore podcast where I talk about folklore. And if

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Speaker 2: you listen to episode one of this week on Monday,

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Speaker 2: you have learned me talk about how I think that

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Speaker 2: these things are related history in folklore and how our

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Speaker 2: understandings of things transition. On Monday, we talked about witches,

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Speaker 2: but for some weird reason, some of the witches were

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Speaker 2: like showing up at windows at night? Have you what

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Speaker 2: do you know about vampires? Like history, vampires stuff?

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Speaker 1: Very little, not enough. I think I get it. It

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Speaker 1: has to do with some kind of like you know, xenophobic,

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Speaker 1: build the wall higher type, you know, keep out the invaders.

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Speaker 1: But I'm too dumb, to know around what particular migration

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Speaker 1: or what particular you know, event in history.

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Speaker 2: So that's interesting that when I think of the political

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Speaker 2: ramifications of vampires, is actually a little different from that.

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Speaker 2: And this is now completely unscripted, so I'm a little

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Speaker 1: Vamp, you know, vampire vamp for the vampires.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's seen me in daylight. The sun's behind me,

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Speaker 2: and this I record this or is it? So vampires

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Speaker 2: myths go back everywhere, like all over the world. There's

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Speaker 2: like the idea of like the unquiet dead. There's like

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Speaker 2: people who like die and aren't dead and like and

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Speaker 2: there's all of these things, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: like different ideas of where this comes from. Like the

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Speaker 2: two main like science things that people think is either

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Speaker 2: people accidentally premature burying people right like you're like I

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Speaker 2: heard knocking in the graveyard and you go and you

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Speaker 2: dig it up, and there's like scratch marks on the

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Speaker 2: all weren't good at figuring out someone was dead.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: That is like one of the elements, And then when

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Speaker 2: the other ones is that sort of a lack of

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Speaker 2: understanding about how bodies decompose and how like like nineteenth

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Speaker 2: And when I say dark skinned, I don't mean in

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Speaker 1: Like zombie dark.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally and plump. And what it was probably is

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Speaker 2: that like sometimes as bodies decomposed, they like do weird

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Speaker 2: Their cheeks are rosy, you know, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You're just like ew. Decomposing bodies are gross. Must be

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Speaker 2: Wild times, and so the dead rose from the grave

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Speaker 2: and floated around.

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Speaker 1: They straight up did They did not. However, this is fun.

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Speaker 1: They used to plant place bodies. This is like forensic

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Speaker 1: and now you know students and they used to place

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Speaker 1: It's really whatever. Whatever, it's great. But then one time

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Speaker 1: and I guess the students were so spooked they were

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Speaker 1: kudos to that university.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a million years ago, I was someone invited me

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Speaker 2: on a sort of a date. They were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna go do witchy shit in the graveyard on Halloween.

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Speaker 1: You were like, ha ha, that's a euphemism, right, No, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so I went to witchy shit in this graveyard

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Speaker 2: Graveyard, and so I so I go and they're not there,

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Speaker 2: like being like I'm not as afraid as I would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally scared of you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as I'm completely scared.

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Speaker 1: I just got ghosted. I'm not ghost yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That was like the next day before I heard

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Okay, if you're listening, if you're listening whatever, you

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Speaker 2: never apologized, Are.

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Speaker 1: You kidding me? Standing you up in a literal graveyard

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Speaker 1: on Halloween? Yeah? Fuck that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Fuck that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I'm mad for you. However, many years ago this was.

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Speaker 2: It was like twenty years ago. No man, Okay, So

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Speaker 2: vampires okay, so vampires started off more okay, vampires are

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Speaker 2: all over the world. The main style of vampire that's

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Speaker 2: goes back thousands of years and then really starts hitting

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Speaker 2: like Western Europe more like a one hundred two hundred

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Speaker 2: Get all the vampire novels. The first actual one was

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Speaker 2: a lesbian vampire novel called Carmela. Dracula is the quintessential

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Speaker 2: one that came later, but it wasn't you start getting

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Speaker 2: I expect it ties into anti Semitism somehow. I am

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Speaker 2: I'm certain that I has been used at some point.

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Speaker 1: And communism, right doesn't at some point or is that

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's they have communist empires yeah, I bet yeah,

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Speaker 2: And so the older vampires instead of being like these aristocrats,

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Speaker 2: a lot of the same stuff like fear of crosses,

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Speaker 2: things I forgot to bring up. There's all of these

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Speaker 2: then they all got slaughtered. All these witches got murdered

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Speaker 2: So then they were like everyone he knows a witch

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Speaker 2: the witches versus wizards things comes later. It's just that

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Speaker 2: I mean, because of the atominy, but because of misogyny. Right,

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Speaker 2: poke holes in them and stuff so that like witches

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Speaker 2: could cross water. Right, It's kind of like when.

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Speaker 1: You're just gonna say, you said, oh, yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: when you cut up the rings of a six pack

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Speaker 1: so that the sea turtles don't choke on them, as

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Speaker 1: if that would ever stop you know, yeah, all other

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Speaker 1: things killing sea turtles. Yeah, but yeah, you should poke

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Speaker 1: holes in your eggshells because you know, the witches are

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Speaker 2: I know, which is funny though, because they can sail

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Speaker 2: in sieves, so I don't see how this is stopping them.

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Speaker 2: But you know, maybe the witches eventually had that work around.

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Speaker 2: That's why they got so good at sailing and sieves. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: they couldn't cross running water sometimes and so that's but

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Speaker 2: they couldn't like eggshells, which is another vampire thing, because

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Speaker 2: they were all fucking blurry like witches and vampires.

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Speaker 1: And blurry like you couldn't really see them clearly when

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Speaker 2: No, just like the distinction between the two.

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Speaker 2: So for example, the witch Girl story about the woman

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Speaker 2: to kill a lot of the old vampire stories, I

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Speaker 1: Huh, Yeah, I like this mouse. Uh, I think I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's a bad idea because berries will mean

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Speaker 1: But I mean, also this is interesting like in terms of,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And like even the historic witch trials tie

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Speaker 2: You know also going to get fucking killed you, dear listener,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, vampire bear even, which is weirder, Like, imagine kill

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Speaker 2: So this story, a peasant was driving past a graveyard

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine like when you're like, hey, can you

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Speaker 2: the corpse. But in this one, I don't think the

433
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 2: sun like destroys the vampire. I think it just like

434
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: he just like disappears, right, you know, Yeah, but at

435
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: no point does it. And I just love the like

436
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: at the end being like and then the man and

437
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 2: the lad were Yeah, like we get that they took

438
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: a bucket of their blood. I was pretty sure.

439
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: They were dead after beating them with it.

440
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, they got beat with it.

441
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how do they? How didn't they He

442
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: struck him on the back and opened Yeah.

443
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: I think that's just like like with a blade. This

444
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: is the sparsest story that has ever been told there's

445
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: like sentences. I know. Well that's what's so interesting too, right, Yeah,

446
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: you got your vampire who's just going around blood letting

447
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 2: people with a knife.

448
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: Probably yeah yeah. Also, like why since when did vampires

449
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: get associated with bats? And do bads drink blood?

450
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: Some bats do but not most. And I don't know exactly.

451
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: I know that a lot of the vampire stuff around,

452
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: like they can turn in the mist, they can turn

453
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: into different insects, they can turn all this different shade

454
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: bats and stuff. I think that starts coming around. I

455
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: actually don't know. I want to make a guess, but

456
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be an information.

457
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: How much you know about spiders, Margaret?

458
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: I can count their legs on my fingers. Seven legs.

459
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 2: I thought it was No, it's eight had I thought

460
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 2: it was eighty.

461
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I can't ask you this question. If anyone

462
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: knows about spiders, reach out to me at Franni Feo

463
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: because I've got a question, which is when you see

464
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: the big honking spiders, which there have been so many

465
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: in LA because it's been really it had been really rainy.

466
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: Like when those guys have babies, do they do the

467
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: babies all grow to be the same honking size or

468
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: is it just because that spider made a tight web

469
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: with all and got all of the flies? You know

470
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like a dog where it's like, oh,

471
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: this breed grows to like twenty five pounds. Is every

472
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: breed of spider? I asked my husband and he's like,

473
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm having these really nerdy spider questions.

474
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I know who I would ask, and it

475
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 2: is actually someone who listens to this podcast regularly. And

476
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: if you are my friend, I'm not going to name you,

477
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: but if you are my friend who tells me weird

478
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: nerdy stuff about animals and we message about it, he

479
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: reach out to both of us about your spiders. My

480
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 2: money is that they all grow to that that size,

481
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: and that's like a breed thing.

482
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: That's fucking because like, like my money is on the ladder.

483
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: My money is on the idea that no, the one

484
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: who gets like has the good spot with all the

485
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: flies and gets really swollen, That's that's just why they're

486
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: that big.

487
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: But think about like people, right, like your diet absolutely

488
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,239
Speaker 2: changes how big you get. But it's like a lot

489
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: of it's genetic too.

490
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: Now I'm scared, but okay, we can time it. And

491
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: that's for the next episode is spiders.

492
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: I used to live in this black a frame cabin

493
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: that I built in the woods, beautiful, and for a

494
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: while I had these two they're called garden spiders, and

495
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: they're a US South and they're fucking huge and scary

496
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: and they've got like sharp pokey legs and they're bright

497
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: yellow and they're cool but they're scary as hell and

498
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: they're like, they're seriously the most evil looking spider. I

499
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 2: think they're cool. And they made webs on the two

500
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: windows right next to my door. Oh, and I was

501
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: terrified to oust them, you know, because they're on the outside.

502
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: And my rule was anything's allowed on the outside of

503
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: my house, but nothing's a lot on the inside of

504
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: my house unless like right, and so like I was

505
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: afraid to oust them.

506
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: You're still a vegan if you oust them on the inside,

507
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: but not on the outside.

508
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was like it was like it

509
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: seemed like bad, bad idea to go to war with

510
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: the woods while I lived there. And yeah, but every

511
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: night when I would walk home at night up to

512
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: my cabin in the woods and pretend like I'm not

513
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: scared of that sort of thing. I would make sure

514
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: that I could see both spiders before I would open

515
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: the door, and then I think they I think they

516
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: got hit by birds eventually, but like first one then

517
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: the other disappeared, and like, it took me several days

518
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: to be okay with the fact that I couldn't see them.

519
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: You know, Well, that's like when you see a spider

520
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: in the shower and you're like, as long as I

521
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: have eyes on it, I can keep on, you know,

522
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: soaping up. But then you get the soap in your eyes.

523
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: You got to close your eyes and then you open

524
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: them up. He's gone. Anyway, Do a separate spider podcast.

525
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool spiders who scared us? That'll be the name

526
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: of the podcast. So got another vampire story for you,

527
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: please please. This one's called the Soldier in the Vampire

528
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: and it is from one of the earlier sources, the

529
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: Ralston's Russian folktales. A certain soldier was allowed to go

530
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: home on furlough. Well, he walked and walked, and after

531
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: a time he began to draw near to his native village.

532
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: Not far off from that village lived a miller in

533
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: his mill. In old times, the soldier had been very

534
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: intimate with him. Why shouldn't he go and see his friend?

535
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: He went, I love the way. That translation sounds like yeah.

536
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: The miller received him cordially and at once brought out liquor,

537
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: and the two began drinking and chattering about their ways

538
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: and doings. All this took place towards nightfall, and the

539
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: soldiers stopped so long at the miller's that it grew

540
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: quite dark. When he proposed to start for his village,

541
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: his host exclaimed, spend the night here, trooper. It's very

542
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: late now, and perhaps you might run into mischief. What

543
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: a good way to say, like something terrible is going

544
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: to like anyway.

545
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, or like get someone to spend the night.

546
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, right. That worked on me once. I was like

547
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: on a date and I was like, I go home,

548
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: and my date looked at me and was like, do

549
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: you believe in slender Man? I was like, God damn it,

550
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: And this is when I lived in that fucking cabin

551
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: in the woods in the middle of nowhere.

552
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: That's coersive, that's all good, and this is second bad

553
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: date behavior for Margaret.

554
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: She was very respectful. It was totally fine. If you're listening.

555
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 2: That was a totally fine thing to do, slender Man,

556
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: you were like, yeah, anyway, how so about the mischief

557
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: God is punishing us? A terrible warlock has died among us,

558
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: and by night he rises from his grave, wanders through

559
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: the village, and does such things as brings bring fear

560
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: upon the very boldest. How could even you help but

561
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: be afraid of him? Basically, that sounds like a challenge,

562
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, like not a bit

563
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: of it. A soldier, as a man who belongs to

564
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: the crown and crown property cannot be drowned in water

565
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: nor burnt in fire.

566
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: It is.

567
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm tremendously anxious to see my people as soon

568
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: as possible. Off. He set his road, lay in front

569
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: of a graveyard. On one of the graves, he saw

570
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: a great fire blazing. What's that, thinks he let's have

571
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: a look. It was just very not you from everything

572
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: I've heard of your.

573
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, in this case, I've like learned

574
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: my lesson. I'm gonna go into it. Let's go right

575
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: right for the fire.

576
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah. Most of the people are surviving these stories, well,

577
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: most of the protagonists are surviving these stories. Not the

578
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: random lad. Anyway, it's true. When he drew near, he

579
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: saw that the warlock was sitting by the fire sewing boots. Hail, brother,

580
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: calls out the soldier. The warlock looked up and said,

581
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: what have you come here for?

582
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: Why?

583
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: I wanted to see what you're doing. The warlock threw

584
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: his work aside and invited the soldier to a wedding.

585
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: Come along, brother, I know now it's all like a

586
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: surreal I have a plus one.

587
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: Did you want to call withather? That's why I'm making

588
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: these boots. They're for you.

589
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, your size wedding. Come along, brother, says he.

590
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: Let's enjoy ourselves. There's a wedding going on in the village.

591
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: Come along, says the soldier. They came to where the

592
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: wedding was. There they were given drink and treated with

593
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: the utmost hospitality. The warlock drank and drank, reveled and reveled.

594
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: Then he grew angry. He chased all the guests and

595
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: relatives out of the house, threw the wedded pair into

596
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: a slumber, took out two files in an all, pierced

597
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: the hands of the bride and bridegroom with the awl

598
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: and began drawing off their blood.

599
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, warlock, that's just not a way to

600
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: like treat your get I mean, you're.

601
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: It's a wedding crasher move.

602
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it is a super wedding crasher move.

603
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: It's like that vampire movie, the Wedding Crashers.

604
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: It is. I'm looking up warlocks as on Google images,

605
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: and like they've got like staffs and they seem kind

606
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: of like it's like masks, and.

607
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: It's like a way of saying, which only it's a

608
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: boy is the the more icye boy?

609
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: Witch?

610
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, seventeenth or eighteenth century start saying the distinction in English,

611
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: I think between a witch and a warlock. But before

612
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: that it was all witches all the way down. Well,

613
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: they went off on the way. The soldiers said, tell me,

614
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: why did you draw off their blood into those vials?

615
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: You're still hanging with them. You know, soldiers are not smart.

616
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say they're not afraid, but not yeah, yeah,

617
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily, like strategic planners.

618
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: Not firing on all four cylinders. No, Well, in order

619
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: that the bride and bridegroom might die tomorrow morning, no

620
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: one will be able to wake them. I alone know

621
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: how to bring them back to life. How is that managed?

622
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: The bride and bridegroom must have cuts made in their heels,

623
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: and some of their own blood must be then poured

624
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: back into the wounds. I've got the bridegroom's blood stowed

625
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: away in my right hand pocket, the bride's in my left.

626
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: The soldier listened to this without letting a single word

627
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: escape him. Then the warlock began boasting again. Whatever I wish,

628
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: he says, he that I can do. I suppose it's

629
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: quite impossible to get the better of you, says the soldier.

630
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: Why impossible? If anyone were to make a pire of

631
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: aspen boughs, a hundred loads of them, and were to

632
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: burn me in that pire, then he'd be able to

633
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: get the better of me. Only he'd have to look

634
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: out sharp and burning me. For snakes and worms and

635
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: different kinds of reptiles would creep out of my inside,

636
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: and crows and magpies and jack dolls would come flying up.

637
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: All these must be caught and flung on the pire.

638
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: If so much as a single maggot were to escape,

639
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: then there be no help for it. In that maggot

640
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: I should slip away.

641
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: Ooh, I like this. I like when the villain reveals

642
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: how to like kill themselves.

643
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, totally, how difficult it is, no exactually

644
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: an event, you're like, oh, actually this soldiers being kind

645
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: of clever.

646
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

647
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: The soldier listened to all of and did not forget it.

648
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: He and the warlock talked and talked, and at last

649
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: they arrived at the grave. Well, brother, said the warlock.

650
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: Now I'll tear you into pieces. Otherwise you'd be telling all.

651
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: This okay, good, all right, right right, so yes, yeah,

652
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: who I'm oh, I like this story. That is only

653
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: my favorite, this so one.

654
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: I like this one. You know what else? I like

655
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: saving money on stuff, buy a new car that'll save

656
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: the environment. Here's ads and we're back so that you

657
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: know obviously where we last left. The Warlock was like,

658
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to tear you pieces. What are you talking about?

659
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: Don't deceive yourself. I serve God and the Emperor. The

660
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 2: Warlock gnashed his teeth, howled aloud in that I know.

661
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't give a shit, but he does

662
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: give a shit. He howled aloud and sprang at the soldier,

663
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: who drew his soul and began laying about him. With

664
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: sweeping blows. They struggled and struggled. The soldier was all

665
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: but at the end of his strength. Ah thinks he

666
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: I'm a lost man and all for nothing. Suddenly the

667
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: cocks began to crow. The warlock fell lifeless to the ground.

668
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: The soldier took files of blood out of the warlock's

669
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: pockets and went on to the house of his own people.

670
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: Uh oh.

671
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: When he got there and had exchanged greetings with his relatives,

672
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: they said, did you see any disturbance, soldier, No, I

673
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: saw none there. Now, why, we've a terrible piece of

674
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: work going on in the village. A warlock has taken

675
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: to haunting it. After talking a while, they lay down

676
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: to sleep. Next morning, the soldier awoke and began asking,

677
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm told you've got a wedding going on somewhere here.

678
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: There was a wedding in the house of a rich moujique,

679
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: which is a Russian peasant, replied his relatives. But the

680
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: bride and bridegroom have died this very night from what

681
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: nobody knows. Where does this mogique live. They showed him

682
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: the house thither he went without speaking a word. When

683
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: he got.

684
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: Thither, we got to bring thither back, and also the

685
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: soldiers doing an incredible job of lying, like, no, you

686
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: know what?

687
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: Where war who? How could I defeat you? I would

688
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: never do such a thing.

689
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I like Okay, I

690
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: take it back what I said about soldiers. I like

691
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: him so far.

692
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see he's thinking things through thither He

693
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: went without speaking a word. When he got there, he

694
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: found the whole family in tears. What are you mourning about?

695
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: Says he? Such and such as the state of things?

696
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: Soldiers say they I can bring your young people back

697
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: to life again. What will you give me if I do?

698
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: Take what you like, even if it were half of

699
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: what we've got. So the soldier did as the warlock

700
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: had instructed him and brought the young people back to life.

701
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: Instead of weeping, there began to be great happiness and rejoicing.

702
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: The soldier was hospitably treated and well rewarded. Then left

703
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: about face okay, I don't know. Off he marched to

704
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: the star Usta, which is the head of a Russian village,

705
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: which I totally knew and totally didn't interrupt the podcast

706
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: for me to look up.

707
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: And then I said, Star usta.

708
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, which was good, very Russian. This is you got

709
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 2: a gun to hit your head. I think you could

710
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: do it.

711
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: I think it, yes, quite did there hither and with

712
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: going to I think you need to read this all

713
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: in just a monotone Russian accent.

714
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: And I guess much scarier. I know what, I really

715
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: I can't. And told him to call his the peasants. No,

716
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: it just doesn't work.

717
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

718
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: I'm completely accent blind to it's it's it's not great.

719
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: I think that was you make it.

720
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: Oh God, And told him to call the peasants together

721
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: and get ready a hundred loads of aspen wood. Well,

722
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: they took the wood into the graveyard, dragged the warlock

723
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: out of his grave, placed him on the pire, and

724
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: set it alight. The people all standing around in a

725
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: circle with brooms, shovels, and fire irons. The pyre began

726
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: became wrapped in flames. The warlock began to burn. His

727
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: corpse burst, and out of it crept snakes, worms, and

728
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: all sorts of reptiles, probably garden spiders for sure, And

729
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: up came flying crows, magpies, and jack dolls. I totally

730
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: didn't just include the story because his magpies in it.

731
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what are magpies again?

732
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: They're like crows, but black and white. And it's also

733
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: a nickname for.

734
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: I knew that it was your nickname. Yeah, but now

735
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: I have to see what they look like, black and

736
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: white crows.

737
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really pretty. They are also known for collecting

738
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 2: shiny objects and being like thieves and sort of annoying.

739
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: And also they used like omens a lot.

740
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, look at that.

741
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: Magpies are fucking cool. The peasants knocked them down, poor magpies,

742
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: and flung them into the fire, not allowing so much

743
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: as a single maggot to creep away. And so the

744
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: warlock was thoroughly consumed, and the soldier collected his ashes

745
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: and strode strewed them to the winds. From that time forth,

746
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: there was peace in the village. The soldier received the

747
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 2: thanks of the whole community. He stayed at home some time,

748
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: enjoying himself thoroughly. Then he went back to the Tsar's

749
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: service with money in his pocket. When he had served

750
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: his time, he retired from the army and began to

751
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: live at his ease.

752
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that.

753
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: He can't have a happily ever after until he finishes

754
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: his tsar's service, you know.

755
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. But first comes the czar. I

756
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: want to know about because this sort of reminds me

757
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: of the ways in which vampires like bring Like in

758
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: an interview with the vampire, like I said, I watching again,

759
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: Uh you you know, make a vampire by biting them

760
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: and then killing them, like sucking their blood and killing them,

761
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: but you can bring them back to life by having

762
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: them like sucks some of your blood. So I feel

763
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: like all this, like it is very sexual, Like all

764
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: the sort of exchange of fluids, sort of like giving

765
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: yourself giving the person who's dead a little bit of

766
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: their own blood feels like also a way to make

767
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: a vampire. So I'm just like wondering. I mean, maybe

768
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: not because it's not the vampires. Well, I don't fucking

769
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

770
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: I think the thing that's interesting about it is it

771
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: shows that it's like it all shifts in all these

772
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: different ways. Like this guy's called a vampire, but he's

773
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: also called a warlock, and he's just taking a vial

774
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: of their blood for magic. He hasn't even drank it,

775
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: but he has to be killed in a very vampire way.

776
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 2: He falls back into his coffin when he's when the

777
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: sun is up, like.

778
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the cocks, the cocks have been saving the day.

779
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they always always there saving the day. That's what

780
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: cock is.

781
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 1: For, always save the day.

782
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: And we're adults, we get paid to talking to microphones.

783
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: And yeah, no, I just like I find it. I

784
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: love the way he like dies, the like all the

785
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: animals bursting forth from him and all that stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah,

786
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's like it's all of these just different.

787
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: It's basically a way that a witch haunts. So this

788
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: is my episode where I accidentally figured out that witches

789
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: and vampires are more or less fitting the same niche

790
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: and a lot of different stories.

791
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: I mean, and it kind of makes sense because it

792
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: is just nebulous. I mean, this is what myths and

793
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: folklore are. It's nothing is like real, it's just kind

794
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: of symbolic. And so the yeah, the blurriness between them

795
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. But it's like what are they? Yeah,

796
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: what do they represent? More broadly? I don't know, Like

797
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: I know, the vampires. It does seem like the vampires

798
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: have more rules and they are sort of more like

799
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: accepted in society, whereas witches are these like massive outcasts.

800
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I like which is more right for sure?

801
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: And then like you also get like some people I

802
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: think we're getting killed as vampires, but mostly people are

803
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: like desecrating bodies over vampism, right right, And like you know,

804
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: people would die and they would like we've ever seen

805
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: the like sometimes they'll like disenter a coffin and there'll

806
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: be a sickle over the neck. So if the if

807
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: the corpse moved, they would hit the sickle and like

808
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 2: cut their eye.

809
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: I just saw it. I just did a story on

810
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: like my podcast is like a random story that I

811
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: do about. Yeah, a child that was like I think

812
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: in Poland who was like the skeleton was dug up

813
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: and there I think there was a sickle or something

814
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: around its neck and it was chained to the coffin

815
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: because they thought clearly they thought it was possessed, which

816
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: is so scary. They're like, you know, he probably just

817
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: didn't want to eat his vegetables. You know, what are

818
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: you doing? That's freaky. But also maybe it was a

819
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: bad seed, Maybe it was an evil child.

820
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: I would not have survived to adulthood if.

821
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, but that's that's like it is weird. It

822
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: it's all like like what do you actually believe is real?

823
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: Is any of this real? Or ghosts reel or which

824
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: like I do think there's a difference between like the

825
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: the world of the dying and the dead and like

826
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: witches in vampires, which seem a little too fantastical and

827
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: a little bit like, no, I think this is just

828
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: like that's just like a foreigner who like moved to

829
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: the end of your block, who you like, don't know,

830
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: you've never talked to, and you're like making excuses for

831
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: why they're gonna come suck your blood or totally you know,

832
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: they have too many cats, it's the cat lady just

833
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: turned into the witch. Or they practice a different religion

834
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: or you know what whatever.

835
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: Or they're like the healer, and then they don't fall

836
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: into a specific modern way that may like once like

837
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: medicine was masculinized and like scienceized that's totally a word,

838
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: you know. Then you're like, oh, we got to get

839
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: rid of all these like wise women, right because they

840
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: do shit and you like, you know, you're killing your

841
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: your dulas, you're killing your abortion providers, you're killing, Like no,

842
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: and like.

843
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're I've never thought about which is

844
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: in the context of reproductive health, and now I realize

845
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: they probably were all just like you live an abortion provider.

846
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is absolutely a huge part of it. And

847
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: there's like a god which episode. We did an episode

848
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: a while ago about Italian women who like to poison

849
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: their husbands in the Renaissance and like a late medieval

850
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: era sick yeah, and it tied into this on It

851
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: was called the Magical Underground, and it was the like

852
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: your astrologer that you go to is also your therapist

853
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 2: and is also your abortion provider, and is also when

854
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: your husband is an unrepentant piece of shit who keeps

855
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: fucking hurting you, she's gonna provide you poison and he's

856
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: gonna die.

857
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: And we're sorry. What were they called? Or they were

858
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: just astrologists? This is why not into astrology?

859
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like yeah, I can't, I honestly can't remember the

860
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: name enough the time I head. You know, you have

861
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: Italian women and then there's also parts of France had

862
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: a Magical Underground also that had all this stuff going on.

863
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: But it's also hard to piece apart because you had

864
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: all of these like tied into that where all these

865
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: like priests Catholic priests who were also doing all this

866
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: witchcraft shit and we're like performing black masses and stuff

867
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: kind of as a grift. They were like, oh, you

868
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: can't get it up, Like let us do this weird

869
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: ceremony and we'll get you what you need.

870
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: And then also if you want to, congregation's gonna pray.

871
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you have a if you need a

872
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: love potion, like don't worry, I've got this like oil

873
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: that I dripped over the corpse of saints, so and

874
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: so you know, right, and then so like you had

875
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: all these like witch fear things that were strike going

876
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: around and a lot of those ones were actually tied

877
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: into like yeah, there actually was a poisoner ring. It

878
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: was like killing all these people, but they all deserved it.

879
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: But over yeah, the witch trials totally politicize. I need to,

880
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: like probably I'll just do a whole episode on like

881
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: historical witches and the witch hunts and stuff. But it

882
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: makes me really sad because so many of the cool

883
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: people did cool stuff. Episodes are I talk about some

884
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: people who are kind of cool, and then the massive

885
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: system that existed to destroy all.

886
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: Of them, right right, right right.

887
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: And that's what.

888
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: But I think early healers are really cool, you know,

889
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: totally as you know, not so like sound anti vacts

890
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: about it, but yeah, like were who were the people

891
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: that actually help folks? And how do they get with

892
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: the dawn of like you're saying, the masculinization of medicine? Yeah,

893
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: or I don't know. They they maybe weren't operating as

894
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: working as doctors. Yeah, they were working on preventative medicine.

895
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: Okay, people, there's a whole thing where Elizabeth the Tori

896
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: is like the also seen as like one of the

897
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: early like sort of vampire inspiration people. She was the

898
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: it's spelled Bathory but it's but Tori is another thing.

899
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: I became a pedant about about it after doing an

900
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: episode about and and she was basically accused of like

901
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: running this like Castle of Horrors where she was like

902
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: bathing in girl's blood to stay young and shit like

903
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: that right in Eastern Europe. But more and more modern

904
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: research implies that maybe she actually just like literally ran

905
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: a hospital and like taught girls healing and so it

906
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: was just all like people who wanted to cut her

907
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: out of inheritance and like some favors she owed, the

908
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 2: king like turned a witch hunt against her. And it's

909
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: funny because like, I'm really interested in both versions of

910
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: her story. I am interested in this like this healer

911
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: who's also the ruler of the realm, but who brings

912
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: in girls and teaches them, you know, how to how

913
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: to heal right, but also like I would watch the

914
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: shit out of like her as the like evil girl

915
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: boss who like bathes in blood whatever you know.

916
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it is it is like

917
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: what you just said, I would watch the shit out

918
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: of because it does feel more like fiction, Like that's

919
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: not really what is more real throughout time, like the

920
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: roles of women, the necessity for like a petty little

921
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: bitch to stay young, or the necessity to like teach

922
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: people how to perform abortions and survive when you are

923
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: having a miscarriage or you know, you're in an abusive relationship,

924
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: or you need help with a pregnancy. I don't you know,

925
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: like all that stuff that makes way more sense totally

926
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: then yeah, being like a Kardashian that's like I'm I'm murderous,

927
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: but I look good, you know.

928
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it doesn't tie into the misogynst stories

929
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: that everyone wants to tell. But that's what I got

930
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,959
Speaker 2: about witches and vampires, and I like these.

931
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: Vampire There wasn't anything like, there was no blood sucking necessarily,

932
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: but blood did factor into it.

933
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was because I wanted to do the

934
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: Like vampire as folklore, it's compared to vampire in literature,

935
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 2: you know, and like I will want day. I love

936
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: all of it. It's all weird shit.

937
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: And but what's isn't there there the symbiotic I mean,

938
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: don't like authors often kind of take from folklore or

939
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: totally like who's right, Like how here's Here's my question

940
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: is a dumb question, But you are a writer, so

941
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, maybe like is this something that the person

942
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: who created like this book of Russian folk tales went around,

943
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: listened to them, someone wrote them down at some point

944
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: because they were just sort of tales that are told.

945
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that is the kind of thing that, as

946
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: I understand a lot of folklore is like it is

947
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: an oral tradition for a thousand years and then some

948
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: guy writes it down in the middle of the nineteenth century,

949
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: and then everyone puts his name on it and that's

950
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: the end. Like the Bible, yeah far or less. Yeah,

951
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: it was a couple people wrote it, but yeah, it

952
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: was one of the first times that that happened, and

953
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: like and yeah, like it is a set of myths

954
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: that teach certain political and like social norms, often contradictory

955
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: if for' talking about the Bible and like and so yeah,

956
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 2: some guy went around and wrote down all these Russian

957
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: stories and so you get this encapsulation of them. And

958
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: that's why they have so many overlaps with like the

959
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: sieve or the chicken leg hud or the you know

960
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: this or that detail, right, is because like they're all

961
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: just mutating as.

962
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: They go right, right, right, And what do we think

963
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: the sieve means?

964
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it is a reference to

965
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 2: an impossible task and like a proof of magic combined

966
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: with a little bit of that riddle vibe, the like

967
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: only someone who can bring me a torch that is

968
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: never lit or I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

969
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: yeah for sure. Like but then again, why does that

970
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: tie into like but that seems so so you've got

971
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: the impossible task and then you've got the I fucking

972
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: sail in it, and those are so different, right, and

973
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: so in some ways it's like a flex if you're

974
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: sailing in a sieve. That's the best I got. I

975
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: I read a couple of miles on witches and sieves,

976
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: but I haven't read the like the you know, the

977
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 2: shit that's like it because they.

978
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: Were all Italian and they were like, you know, making

979
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: a busta yeah, yeah, exactly, that is they had the

980
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 1: strain of a bust.

981
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm really glad you've proven that. I really it's no,

982
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: it's pointless to mug you because you can do all

983
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: the accents.

984
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: I am Italian, but that was a terrible accent. That

985
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: was actually a bad one.

986
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: Well you're more Italian accent.

987
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I am allowed, but I won't do the

988
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: Chinese accent because I am also Chinese, and I'll spare

989
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: your listeners then okay. But I love this. I love

990
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I was back reading my like scary

991
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: score stories to tell in the Dark books when I

992
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: was thirteen, Oh yeah, which is you know, or fourteen

993
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. But I like these ones. I

994
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: would I would, yeah, I would probably, you know, I'm

995
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: sure you probably are like, yeah, we need to tweak it,

996
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: we need to like, you know, jug up the drama

997
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: a bit the ending. Yet then he died in all

998
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: old Man was and he was happy.

999
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was fine. Okay, but you're not going to

1000
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 2: get a sequel if you put in the happily ever after.

1001
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: That's true exactly.

1002
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: Like what if he has to go back and fight

1003
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: six warlocks next time?

1004
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: M or his kid has to do it, you know,

1005
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: and then the kids do battle.

1006
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like one of them killed his dog and

1007
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 2: now he has to go murder all of them.

1008
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah that John as a John.

1009
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

1010
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: I haven't even seen John Wick, but I know that much.

1011
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't seen all the sequels yet, but you

1012
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: know it's better than the usual. You took this woman,

1013
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: now I must kill you know.

1014
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone killing your dog is a pretty good backstory.

1015
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably actually why all of these characters are

1016
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 2: acting bad. But if people want to act good, they

1017
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1018
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1019
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