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Speaker 1: A twenty six year old man.

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Speaker 2: He went to Reddit to ask if he was the

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Speaker 2: bad guy after his fiance found out that the engagement

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Speaker 2: ring that he gave her, Speaking of engagements, see there

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Speaker 2: is that. There's a method to my man as there

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Speaker 2: really is. We got there and this story is not

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Speaker 2: about Benjamin by the way. It could be, but it's not,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. His fiance found out that the

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Speaker 2: diamond he gave her was not real. It was Moysonite,

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Speaker 2: a moistnite diamond. So he explained that he recently graduated

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Speaker 2: and couldn't afford a real diamond, so he chose, I

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Speaker 2: guess a lookalike jem that's way more affordable but shines bright.

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Speaker 1: So he didn't.

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Speaker 2: I guess he was going to get around to telling

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Speaker 2: her that he essentially bought her a fake diamond, but

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Speaker 2: he just kind of never got around to him. All

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Speaker 2: the excitement about the ring and about being engaged in

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Speaker 2: whatever else, Well, here comes the drama. While shopping for

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Speaker 2: wedding bands, the jeweler revealed the ring's true identity and

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Speaker 2: his fiance was not impressed, stormed out, ditched the ring,

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Speaker 2: locked herself in the bedroom, and he's been sleeping on

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Speaker 2: the couch ever since. He says he didn't mean to

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Speaker 2: deceive her. He wanted to make her feel special. But

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Speaker 2: now he's wondering if the truth delay cost him more

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Speaker 2: than a comfy bed. I'd be wondering if I'm marrying

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Speaker 2: the right person. Right, you're worried about if she's mad

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Speaker 2: at you. I'd be worried if I marry the right person.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty dramatic now.

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Speaker 2: It would be one thing if he proposed to her,

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Speaker 2: gave her this huge ring and then said it, told

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Speaker 2: her this is one hundred percent real, like I spent

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Speaker 2: thousands and millions of dollars on it. I spent tens

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Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars on this thing. He used to

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Speaker 2: be so grateful to me for this. That would be

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Speaker 2: one thing. But I don't think he did that. I

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Speaker 2: think he gave her the ring and he didn't tell

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Speaker 2: her that it wasn't real, and she was so excited

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Speaker 2: about it, Like why would you sort of shoot yourself

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Speaker 2: in the foot like that, like immediately like here here

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Speaker 2: is this gesture, we're getting engaged in, this beautiful ring, by.

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Speaker 1: The way, fake. I don't think anybody would do that.

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Speaker 2: I mean not right then again, I mean, he didn't

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Speaker 2: lie and say it was real, He just didn't tell

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Speaker 2: her that it wasn't. And what difference does it make

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Speaker 2: he proposed to her. It's a symbol, right, So what

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Speaker 2: would you guys do in this situation if roles were reversed?

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Speaker 2: Because obviously you guys, many of you are the ones

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Speaker 2: receiving the rings hopefully well not you, Kiki, But no,

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Speaker 2: you're not wrong. Yeah, I mean would you okay? Would

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Speaker 2: you truly be okay with a fake ring from Big

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Speaker 2: Tim over no ring? No?

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Speaker 3: No, no?

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Speaker 4: At this point, absolutely, my ring must be real because

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Speaker 4: I've waited this long.

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Speaker 1: And part of his reasoning is money, right.

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Speaker 3: It has to be real. It has to be what

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Speaker 3: I like at this point.

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Speaker 4: Now, if we were just if we were being Ham

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Speaker 4: and his girlfriend and you know, young whatever, sure, whatever

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Speaker 4: you give me, I'm happy. We'll we'll upgrade later. But

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Speaker 4: now it's too far in the game. But however, if

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Speaker 4: I was in this situation, I would be question if

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Speaker 4: I want to marry you after you reacted like that

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Speaker 4: over a Moy's not ring.

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Speaker 2: They're still there's still a ring, yeah, Phill Diamond. Well,

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Speaker 2: and the thing is like in Big Tim's case. If

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Speaker 2: in fact he's been telling you all this time, for seven,

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Speaker 2: eight years ever long it's bepent that he's waiting to

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Speaker 2: save up to get you there, then he can't give

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Speaker 2: you a fake ring after all that. Absolutely not, he can't.

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Speaker 2: He has to give you a very nice ring. If

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Speaker 2: he's been saving for all this time and that's the

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Speaker 2: only reason that he hasn't proposed to you, then the

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Speaker 2: ring better be legit.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: But if you're young and you don't have a lot

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Speaker 2: of money and it's starting out in life, and you're

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Speaker 2: really in love and intent on getting married, and that's

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Speaker 2: what you could afford, and that's what you give the person,

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Speaker 2: then so long as you don't lie about it, so authenticity,

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Speaker 2: I guess I don't see the problem, right.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I agree with that.

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Speaker 5: I am somebody who actually is married for two years

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Speaker 5: now technically I.

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Speaker 2: She's actually married, not the fraudulent marriage we thought all

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Speaker 2: the time. I was like, I know, no one really

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Speaker 2: believes it, but you're telling me it's real.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, okay, I pretty much ctificate around all the time.

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Speaker 6: I mean I was there right right, you got your

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Speaker 6: diploma and then your marriage certificate I carry about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was present for the fake wedding. I thought

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Speaker 2: it was weird that you had your college diploma in

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Speaker 2: your hand when you got married.

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Speaker 1: But you know you're proud.

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Speaker 5: Of well, I got things approved of you all the time,

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Speaker 5: so whip them both out. But I honestly feel that

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Speaker 5: And this could just be me speaking now that I'm

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Speaker 5: on the other side of this, but like.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the stuff doesn't matter, and.

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Speaker 5: I promise you it doesn't. Like I don't people do

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Speaker 5: the whole you know, big ring. You know, we're in

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Speaker 5: tons of debt thing, they do the big wedding. We're

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Speaker 5: in tons of debt, We're in tons of debt.

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Speaker 3: They do a whole thing.

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Speaker 5: And now that I'm on the other side of it,

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Speaker 5: and I look at it and I'm like, very happy

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Speaker 5: that I didn't do a Yahoo wedding because I wanted

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Speaker 5: a Yahoo house, like when I like, yeah, who backyard,

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Speaker 5: So I knew like where my priorities stood. And I

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Speaker 5: think a lot of people forget that when it comes

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Speaker 5: to marriage, Like, yes, the ring and the wedding and

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Speaker 5: all that, it should be special and beautiful, and I agree,

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Speaker 5: and it should be what you want I'm not shaming

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Speaker 5: you for wanting what you want, but when you look

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Speaker 5: at the other side of things, like, honey, this economy

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Speaker 5: and the way that things are with housing, and just

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Speaker 5: the bigger picture of marriage, because when you get married,

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Speaker 5: you're gonna combine your life together, so like are we

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Speaker 5: going to upgrade our home? Our cars are we're gonna

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Speaker 5: have children? Like these things to me are more important

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Speaker 5: and cost a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: It's Polina sounds like this.

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Speaker 2: This woman would rather this twenty six year old man

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Speaker 2: go into debt, yes on a who can't afford for

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Speaker 2: something that looks the same as what she wound up receiving.

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Speaker 2: Now again, if he said to her, oh, you should

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Speaker 2: be so grateful to me because this is so real

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Speaker 2: and so expensive, Well, that's a lie. That's awful, you know,

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Speaker 2: that would if you're passing it off it's something that

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Speaker 2: it's not. But it's the symbol, right, And I know

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Speaker 2: it's easy for me to say because I don't think

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Speaker 2: I could probably I probably couldn't get away with that,

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Speaker 2: you know, giving somebody a fake ring. But I also

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Speaker 2: I've also said, for as long as you've done this

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Speaker 2: show that I don't think anybody should be spending money

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Speaker 2: on a ring that they don't have, because to your point,

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Speaker 2: it's like, why am I spending Why am I going

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Speaker 2: to go into debt and pay interest on a ring

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Speaker 2: that I can't afford? So that to keep up with

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Speaker 2: the Jones, That's what it is, so that you can

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Speaker 2: brag to your friends about how basically how broke I am,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And then and then and it's going to hold us.

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Speaker 2: If it's going to hold us back from paying bills

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Speaker 2: or upgrading our home or having a home or whatever,

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Speaker 2: well then that it defeats the purpose, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 5: I feel like these things, like, again, they don't matter

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Speaker 5: as much as we think they are.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're entitled to want what you want.

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Speaker 5: I'm not trying to take them away from anybody, but

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you, like, these things are expensive and it's

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Speaker 5: not worth it to post on Instagram so that my

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Speaker 5: little friend from high school that I don't even talk

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Speaker 5: to anymore can see my ring. I see this happen

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Speaker 5: in real life all the time, and I'm like, this

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Speaker 5: is goofy my hot take.

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Speaker 2: Jason Mikel Mchanna proposes with a moist and nite ring.

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Speaker 2: Would you accept it is? What?

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Speaker 3: Is it actually a diamond?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's like chemically a diamond, but it's not like

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Speaker 2: it's not a natural diamond.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 7: Would take an onion ring, get a ring? I don't,

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Speaker 7: I don't care. I would not care. And imagine how

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Speaker 7: stupid you look, because now that he's broke, you're gonna

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Speaker 7: have to go ask somebody for money to pay for

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Speaker 7: your mortgage. But you know you out here begging for money,

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Speaker 7: but you got this big a ring on your.

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Speaker 5: Fingers that happens every day, every day.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's crazy, Louren asked. The question, is witholding lying?

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Speaker 3: I think so sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he knew what he was doing. He definitely

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Speaker 1: knew what he was Easy.

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Speaker 2: You give someone a ring that looks like a traditional

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Speaker 2: diamond ring, you you're clearly passing it off for tradition.

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Speaker 1: You're passing it off for being real.

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Speaker 2: Because if you hand me an engagement ring that looks

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Speaker 2: like every other engagement ring that looks like a diamond,

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm assuming it's a diamond, But I guess

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Speaker 2: I also don't know why it matters.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: I feel like it only matters to people who don't

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Speaker 4: have one, Like people with the rings don't never think

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Speaker 4: about like, you know, I want to.

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Speaker 3: It's a ring real like who cares well.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is like many many years ago,

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Speaker 2: before lab grown diamonds were a thing, it did if

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Speaker 2: you had a huge monster diamond, it did mean someone

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Speaker 2: spent a ton of money. Now it doesn't necessarily mean

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Speaker 2: that anymore. Like a big honker diamond that's lab grown

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Speaker 2: in is a quarter of the price of you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, So like like you can go get

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Speaker 2: you a j Lo ring, you know it looks like

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Speaker 2: that for a quarter of the price, which still is expensive.

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Speaker 2: You're still spending money on it, but it doesn't necessarily know.

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Speaker 2: Twenty years ago, if you had a four carrot ring,

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Speaker 2: somebody spent six figures on that. Now, if you have

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Speaker 2: a four carret ring, it doesn't necessarily mean that. So

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Speaker 2: I guess I don't know why we're that. I debate

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Speaker 2: this all the time, Like if I actually ever did

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Speaker 2: get married, it would help to have a girlfriend first.

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Speaker 2: But if I did, like, would I spend all the

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Speaker 2: money on a re honker ring that I always intended

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Speaker 2: I would do? When someone else can go spend a

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Speaker 2: quarter or less of it and have the same look

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Speaker 2: for less money, and everyone thinks.

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Speaker 1: It's the same. Nobody would know, So that's so I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do, because you could argue, well,

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Speaker 2: if you go buy the real thing, it holds its

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Speaker 2: value and it's worth more. Well, who's you might not

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Speaker 2: be selling it? Like why you're only selling it if

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Speaker 2: we get divorced. So I don't know that I want

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Speaker 2: to help you in a divorce. So I'm going to

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Speaker 2: get you a fake as ring, I guess because that way,

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Speaker 2: if you leave me, then you don't have as much

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Speaker 2: money and I can keep my money. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but that used to be the thing, like if you

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Speaker 2: had a huge, huge ring, Oh man, that guy loves you.

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Speaker 2: That was he spent all his money on that. Well,

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Speaker 2: now it doesn't necessarily mean that.

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Speaker 7: Because that's still happening, Like do people show off their rings,

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Speaker 7: Like I don't know. If I like, if you had

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Speaker 7: a Mois and I ring, I wouldn't be like, that's

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Speaker 7: Mois Then I.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: What is not a lab grown diamond. It's not that's

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Speaker 1: what someone is.

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Speaker 5: Section and there's three different kinds lab grown, the regular.

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Speaker 1: Smike say more. I think it's a whole different jem.

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Speaker 1: It's a whole different thing.

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Speaker 4: Gymstone, although a lab created one, okay, but not.

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Speaker 2: A diamond technically, I would want to know, and I

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Speaker 2: also want to know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would want to know.

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Speaker 6: And I'd also rather have like an heirloom that's smaller.

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Speaker 3: Than like a Mois and Night ring. So I guess

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Speaker 3: I'm a weirdo, but.

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Speaker 6: I do feel like if I'm going to wear something

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Speaker 6: on me, I should know the facts about it and

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Speaker 6: what's going on with it. But I wouldn't want someone

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Speaker 6: to overextend and spend money they don't have.

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Speaker 2: I guess I don't know how you do that, Like

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Speaker 2: someone texted you have a conversation ahead of time about

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Speaker 2: what's realistic. Because if I give you a ring again,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to propose to you. You're so excited,

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Speaker 2: you're happy, Oh it's so beautiful, and then go by

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Speaker 2: the way fake, No, I'm not going to do that.

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Speaker 6: You don't feel me out before, like, hey, what do

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Speaker 6: you think of those Mois and Night rings? If I'm

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Speaker 6: like new, then you know, yeah, but don't do it.

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Speaker 3: When you're on the dock.

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Speaker 1: On one knee, you know, overlooking the ocean.

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Speaker 3: The dog.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're on a do.

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Speaker 3: Here do you picture it that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh, my hater says, this is why Fred is single. Well,

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Speaker 2: what what are you even talking about? This is a

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Speaker 2: this is a moron who has said for the last

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Speaker 2: year that they will never listen to us again, and

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Speaker 2: they text us every day.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh she's trapped in the carpet.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for your patronage. Yeah, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could put your fingers in your ears with

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Speaker 2: something tells me to people in the carpool would appreciate

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Speaker 2: it if you weren't in the carpool anymore. Let's see

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Speaker 2: a head lights the big of stories of the day

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