WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE @ 2018 Senior Bowl - Day 2 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.120 Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys on 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.680 the our war room for in center news and draft analysis, 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:16.759 Dallas Cowboys Select Ezikie Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brugler, 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:21.240 David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.880 of the draft show here in Mobile, Alabama. Brian brought 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:30.720 us Dane Brugler, David Hellman. We had fool pads practice today, boys, 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.680 to get something out of that today. There yet of 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.760 sound effects from popping those pads. Yeah, No, it's always good. 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:42.120 Day two. See the progression from day one? Who made improvements? 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.879 Who kind of built on a strong practice on Tuesday 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.040 and Wednesday? I thought a few people did a few 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.279 of these players, I thought, Will her Nandez, I think 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.120 that's a player room. You're talking about a lot today 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.520 and really through the process. Will her Nandez to me, 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.680 I think that he needs to enter the conversation as 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.880 the best non quarterback here. I think that he belongs 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:09.560 in that conversation. Will Hernandez utep guard, Yes, quarterback, it's 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.120 the best non quarterbacks. The quarterbacks. We could debate all 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.560 day about open a show with that. Yesterday I was 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.520 about to say So are you saying like a quarterback 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.000 is just heading shoulders better than everybody else here. Yeah, 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:21.960 I want you to say that just for the sake 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.680 of conversation. Well, no, and I think that you know, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.160 when you factor in the value of the quarterback position. Sure, 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.480 you know, Baker Mayfield, to me, it is the best 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.160 player down here. But not to go down that road 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.280 staying out of that just when in regards to Will Hernandez, 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.119 I think the best the conversation, but the best non 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:42.399 quarterback here he belongs in that conversation. M And I'm 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.240 not sure he is going to be the highest drafted 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.440 non quarterback. That's probably gonna go to Marcus Davenport, who 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.120 has been up and down this week. Trades are obvious, 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.840 and that's why he's going to be drafted, more so 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.600 than the production and the player that he is. Uh, 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.400 you know, he's a very unseasoned player. But you see 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.080 the trades and get excited about that. But best player 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.720 will Will Hernandez is in that conversation. Did you agree 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.360 with that? No, I'm proud of you for saying that. 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.400 There you go. Now we're about to say, no, I 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.840 think you're no. I mean, you know what I was, I'm, 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.080 I'm I'm I appreciate you saying that. I really really 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:20.760 do Davenport scare you. I mean, I mean he's talking 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.240 about him what I've seen. Yeah, I mean, we're we're 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.679 talking about a guy that coming into the draft show. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.359 I mean, he hash It feels like every draft show 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.840 we're talking about Davenport. But but but he but he's 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.680 a guy that we were kind of hopeful that would 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.800 come to the Senior Bowl and would dominate. And I 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.919 haven't seen a dominant player here. I really haven't see. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:44.040 I don't know. Maybe my expectations are different. I didn't. 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.440 I don't know that I expected him to dominate. I'm 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.880 just a guy Arrange, you know, a guy that was 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.799 built as a project before we even got here, coming 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.520 from UTSA. I didn't expect him to dominate. I like, 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.200 I expect like a not that he's here, but a 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.079 guy like Quentin Elson. You're like, you know, everybody was 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.120 so high on Aaron Donald the year he right here. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.200 I expect him to dominate Zach Marton that year. Yeah, right, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.280 I don't. I don't expect Marcus Davenport to dominate all. 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.440 I mean, there's not there's not I expected tackles that 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.280 he's going against. But even still, like like I said, 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.320 I mean even before we got here, wasn't the talk 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.040 like there there isn't a consensus on him, right, I 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.720 think there was a consensus that he's a top fifteen pick, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:25.800 which I don't I want to say it's a consensus. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.800 I think a lot of people think that, yeah, that 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.840 he could go that high. I think it's a consensus 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.800 that he's like, you know, a fifty type of guy. Yeah, sure, which, okay, 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.240 I'm I'm more intrigued by the flash than expecting him 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:41.080 to dominate. That's that's me. And so yes, I am 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.119 scared of Davenport, but not more so than like any 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.080 other guy like that. Like so much of this stuff 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.760 is projection. It reminds me and this is before my time, 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.360 but just the type of guy we're talking about, I'm 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.080 reminded a little bit of a guy like Ziggyanza, where 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.320 you're like, the talent is freaky. That was one of 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.840 my guys right there, talent freak and you're hoping that 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.200 it pans out, and you know what, the film the 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:07.640 film was really inconsistent at by you and he went yeah, yeah, 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:09.880 that's Ziggy. Now it's a good comparison to ZIGGI was 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.160 a guy who soccer player growing up. You know, the 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.120 football experience wasn't there, uh, young in football years. And 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.600 that's the same thing with h with Davenport, who you know, 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.719 he's a wide receiver when he showed up in college, 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.960 you know, and he was a basketball guy mostly most 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.680 of his life. So you know, we're still seeing that inexperience. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.240 We see the traits, it's easy to see that, but 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.280 you also see the high pad level off the last image, 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.080 especially at the point of contact. Uh. You see the 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.320 lack of transition move to move. I mean, he's really 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.440 he relies on that power. Uh. And it's I think 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.000 he's realizing this isn't the conference to us that oh no, 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.719 he can't well he can't walk these tackles exact, or 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.320 he can't capture the edge like he you know, he's 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.960 got to come. It's a little bit like watching Taco. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.400 Remember how when Taco plays it was a why do 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.320 you keep trying to bring up last year? No, I'm 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:03.680 just saying that when you talk about pad level, when 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.440 you talk about rush down the middle, when you talk 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.760 about have a counter move, and I guess that's that's 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.400 kind of Now let me let me throw this at 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.600 your rook finish your well. That's my point. Like, if 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.000 you're if you're Aaron Donald or you know, if you're 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.440 one of these like four year guys who just racked 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.680 up every award at a major school, that's who I 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.120 expect to dominate. Some guy coming from the CUSA who 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.400 was playing guys who are never going to play in 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.440 the NFL for most of his career. I don't expect 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.000 that guy to dominate against these guys. But we're talking 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.920 about him as a potential top based on it. But 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.600 that's a projection. Just wait to the combine when he 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.760 jumps exactly. Take him at nineteen. If he was there 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.440 everything you're talking about, you're I mean, that's that's kind 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.480 of if he were to slide through. If somebody doesn't like, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.600 you know, the things that we're talking about as as always, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.920 I'm gonna throw in you know, who else is there. 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.240 But if you feel good about him, I'm not scared 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.880 by the fact that he's a projection. If he was 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.039 there and he's the best option, I would I would 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.960 do it for sure, because I mean Ziggiansa turned into 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:10.880 a hell of a pass rusher. Sure did. First year. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.159 I think he had twelve sacks. Its rookie year. TENA 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.240 was the second year, but it was first year. Yeah, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.200 I think he was the only player from the top 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.760 ten of that draft that really panned out did anything 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.800 twenty thirteen drafts. His nineteen is steal for him if 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.320 he gets potentially, I mean, it's all based on potential, 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.479 like you said, so, yeah, I think potentially he could 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.680 be a steal at that point, which is why I 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.000 don't think he'll be available. Uh. You know, every team 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.960 needs more pass rush help every team. So for him 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.200 to last through the first eighteen picks, I think I 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.400 don't see happening. But if he did, you know, you 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.839 do you bring on another talk of Charlton. Uh yeah, 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.680 see that's I'm saying. Though he's a better athlete, he's 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.040 gonna tesk. Does the value of him if he had 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.840 nineteen just make you have to think about it. I 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.240 would much rather have a ready made guy. That I mean, 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.840 and that's all always been my argument. In the first round. 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.360 I want the ready made player, but I don't I'm 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.640 not scared off by by his Rawness is what I'm 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:10.760 trying to say. Okay, if it was him or Hurst? 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:17.240 Oh see, I you're you're talking about pass rushers. I'm 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.640 just talking about defensive lineman, right, No, I know, well, 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.080 but you're I mean, you're talking about guys you're paying 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.280 to go get the passer. I think the ceiling of 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:29.000 Davenport is awfully intriguing compared to you know, what you 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.680 get in Hurst. That's not a knock on Hurst, if 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.800 he's what you hope he can be. You're talking about 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.640 double digit sacks and defensive line or defensive end, doesn't 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.280 you know, jump out at you as a top need 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.400 for this team. But all right now, when you think 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:46.480 about insurance for uh, you know, losing the Marcus Lawrence 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.920 insurance for who the heck knows about Randy Gregory, you 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:51.560 know what I mean? That's that and I need to 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.280 get to that today. Yeah, I mean, but so you're 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.760 adding a pass rusher like that. It might not be 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.000 the number one need, but sure another more pass rushing death. 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.880 It's definitely on the list of needs. Fill me in 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.480 with Stephen Jones said about Randy Gregory today, there's nothing 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.280 to fill you in on he you know, the Joneses. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:13.120 The Joneses are very good about giving long and winding answers, 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.400 useful answers to most of you know, the things you ask, 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.240 sure which you know they're reporter's best friend. Asked about 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.080 Randy Gregory and Stephen Jones basically was just like, nope, nothing, 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.000 no update, got nothing and that was about it, which 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.240 you know, you know, in the in all of the 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.320 in the grand scheme of things that owners and general 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.800 managers know about their team, I'm sure that he knows 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.880 a little bit more than nothing, but nothing that he 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.760 wants to share, which goes back to my point that 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.760 what's what's his plan to spring Stephen Jones Steve Stephen Jones, Well, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.240 it very similar, you know, you get the very similar answers, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.680 which is you know he actually he said between DeMarcus 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:57.080 Lawrence m Za, Zack Martin, Anthony Hitchins, and David Irving. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.400 Oh so he had Anthony Hitchins as when he mentioned 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.520 he mentioned Hitchens and Irving as I mean, just he's 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.319 it's gonna be a hell of a challenge to keep 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.640 the guys that are already on our team, let alone 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.800 go shopping for other people's players. So draft will be 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.840 a player here always. That's and he you know, he said, 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.880 we're going to work the edges and whatever opportunities might 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.599 present themselves. So like he kind of gave himself some 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.360 caveats that, you know, if things fall the right way, 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.160 maybe you'll see him do some stuff. But for the 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.120 Seattle safety, maybe in mind. If I'm not trying to 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.199 put words in the guy's mouth, but he kind of 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:33.839 left himself a little caveat there. But I think one 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:35.360 way or another, this is going to be a team 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.480 that's trying to build through the draft for the fifth 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.480 year in a row. I would be I would be 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.160 shocked to see them spending big amounts of money on 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.360 free agents just and other than their own obviously Ridley 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:52.360 or Davenport. You go straight from that into that, Yeah, yeah, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.199 I'm taking Ridley. But I mean, you know how I 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.120 feel about Ridley. I know you do. That's why I 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.920 always like to know how you guys are feeling about 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.520 these players. I want to see commitment. That's what you 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.400 see in a draft room. It's I want to see commitment. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.959 It's erie that you said that, because in my commitment 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.320 on Phillips. Now when you're asking I know that. Yeah, 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:14.920 I know, you spent fifteen minutes rank his DTS. That's good. 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.120 He's a good at his job. I was thinking when 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.640 you were asking me about Davenport, between the project of 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.240 Davenport or Calvin Ridley, who will assuredly be one of 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.200 the best two receivers on your team right away. I'll 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.559 take Ridley every time. And that's not a knock on 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.760 Marcus Davenport or any other raw player, but I'm just 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.520 I'm such a fan of the ready made guy. Like, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.560 what what did Zach Martin do for this team immediately? 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:41.680 You know? And I mean it's hard to find talent, 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.280 and it's hard to find that player, obviously, I know that, 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.560 but that's what I want. They were they were going 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.760 to take Chazer by the way. I mean, he was 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.280 another one who contributed from David, especially for this team 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.080 and the way they're set up. I mean this, Yeah, 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:56.880 for sure, this is a team ready to win now. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.839 So you know, if you can add a Calvin Ridley 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.000 who instantly is your z and you know, upgrade over 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.200 Terrence Williams. You know, I do that in a heartbeat, 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.880 But who knows if they agree, you know, I it's 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.760 a hard thing seeing this team go wide receiver in 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.959 the first round, even though yeah, you said you wouldn't 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.199 do it wide receiver, Yeah, Calvin ridden would Yeah what 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.120 position was he? Offensive line? Offensive line? I'm taken off time. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.640 I'm sorry. I'm not dropping an offensive lineman in the 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:23.719 first round for this team just because I feel good 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.400 about uh, you know fifty year hitting that all day? Well, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.120 why don't her Nandez is not playing like a player 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.280 is gonna last to fifty? Yeah? Uh, you know, Isaiah 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.679 Win to me, like, all right today when I do 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.480 my top fifty list, will her Nandez and Isaiah Win 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.320 will both be probably in the top forty to forty 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.120 five somewhere. So for them to be available at fifty, 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.839 you're crossing your fingers, your toes, and every part of 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.560 your body to make to hope they get there. Uh. 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.719 And it's still early, you know, wor Oh No, I'm 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.079 just I love having away. I love having fun doing this. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.400 But no, right now, like I said about her Nandez, 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.040 uh he just he had one bad rep today. Yeah. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.959 Jalen Holmes DEFENSI vendor from Ohio State, got him when 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.199 he caught her Nandez off balance a little bit. But 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.839 besides him, that's the only time I saw Hernandez get beat. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.679 You saw power, he saw quickness to be the ability 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.120 to reset on the move. Uh. With her Nandez, you're 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.319 getting a plug and play player who, again three hundred 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.920 forty pounds, doesn't eat a lose weight. He carries it well. Power, scheme, zone, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.040 scheme whatever. You know, why can't he do either? I 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.040 you know, I have yet to for someone to give 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.520 me a reason why he can't. So scheme versatile A 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.440 big fan of are you? Would you be surprised if 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.160 somebody took him in the back of the first round? No, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.640 none at all. I mean, like I said, you said 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.360 forty five somewhere right. I haven't mapped it out yet, 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.679 so I'm not sure exactly, but you know, I absolutely 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.800 mean you. Okay, let's just think about the guards that 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.079 have gone in the first round, the late first round 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.720 in past years. Um, the forty nine ers took Josh Gardinette, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.559 right a couple of years ago. Stanford Hernandez is better 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.040 than just absolutely lamp was back in the first round, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.520 wouldn't he. No? He was early second Yeah, the injured 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:06.120 injured right. Yeah, for the Chargers um Laken, Tomlinson, Thompson 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.160 the Lions a couple of years ago. Will her Nandez 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.800 is better than Thomlinson in my opinion. Yeah, we've seen 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.720 some guards, you know, some of those play those playoff 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.319 teams kind of sneaking in the in the later portion, 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.720 trying to help their offensive line a little exactly who 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.240 could use some help in the offensive line, and you 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.040 know they can go for a guard at that point. 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.600 Will her nanda has absolutely could go in the first round. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.679 So long way to get to that point. Any linebackers 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.439 do anything for you today? Mike McCrae from Michigan, Maybe 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.320 anything from him. You know, I thought he played well 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.079 in terms of, uh seeing it and going and getting it. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.920 You know, he doesn't play with much hesitation. Yeah, down 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.560 him a downhill player, right, yeah, that's probably where his best. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.959 And he can play linebackers. Now again, it's kind of 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.840 a cowboy angle here. But you're trying to think about 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.679 we were talking about last night. There might not be 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.599 where you know, I mean personally, I just trying to 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.720 make yourself feel better about the linebacker pool. I'm trying 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.240 to because all of a sudden, you know, I'm having 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.599 dinner with you guys, and we talk about linebackers, and 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.520 they were like, who are they? You know, And I'm 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.920 watching I'm watching, you know, Mike McCrae play, and I'm 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.440 watching Nike La the Luca and you know, I'm trying 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.199 to figure out. I mean, I'm not, yeah, any and 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:22.640 you know, but I'm better. No, no, I'm not. But yeah, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.240 but fourth round. But that's what I'm saying, is is 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.680 it how much success that the Cowboys had taken a third, fourth? Okay, 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:36.080 Andy Hitchen, fourth round? Yeah? But but where has the fourth, third, fourth, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.800 fifth linebacker round done for the Cowboys? Where's that done? Where? 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.120 Where has it? Where? Where's it been profitable? Yeah? They 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.960 need to so all of a sudden matter again we're 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.760 talking about it yesterday. Do you need to find a 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.880 way if there's one of those linebackers is there at fourteen? 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.720 You know, you don't want to give up assets to 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.560 go up, but you might have to. If I'm trying 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.440 to talk into Mike McCrae and I'm trying to talk 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.160 into Nick de Luca, what would round were talking? Because 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.360 to me, like McCray is more of a he's a 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.160 Day three guy. He's not a top one hundred player. Okay, Uh, 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.040 de Luca worried about his medicals a little bit. Okay. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.760 North Dakota State linebacker missed all of last year with 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.680 a knee and then his past year. Uh got to 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.600 the ball today and you said he got an interception 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.240 interception today, So yeah, I think there's a linebacker. Did 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.880 you see Trey Williams at all? Auburn line Yeah. I 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.840 was trying to find him and I didn't. He didn't 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.120 show up like he did yesterday. For me, that's not 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.640 a good sign. Though. Well no, I mean I was trying. Well, 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.160 if you had to try to find him, that's not 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.360 a good sign. Bad. There's a lot of going on 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.400 out there right now. There is a lot going on. 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.440 Did you watch Trey Williams today Auburn linebacker? No. I 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.800 focus more on different players in positions, so I did 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.320 not watch it. I'm gonna derail the conversation a little least. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:51.960 Do I know this is the Draft show? But it 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.800 just makes me think, you know, what strategy have we 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.040 seen from this team over the course of the years, 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.600 Like they try not to go into a draft with 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.240 a layering problem, right and like so so who's going 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:07.680 to be the bridge player and we need to stop 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:09.920 doing that. I have a hard time expecting them to 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.600 sign Anthony Hitchins. I just think the price would be 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.120 too high, which but there's got to be somebody else 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.040 out there. And yeah, I agree with you. The bargain 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.440 bin stuff has not been working, which is why it 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.880 would be nice. And there's so much work for them 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.880 to do before that point. But maybe they can just 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:25.800 sign a free agent that they feel good about for 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.360 a change, you know, like spend a little bit more 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.600 than you're used to so that you're not stuck in 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.840 this situation where it's like, well there would be a 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.440 Jermaine Edmonds goes off the board. I guess we're just 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.520 gonna have to hope Sean Lee Stay is healthy or 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.200 elsewhere screwed. That's the wrong attitude, I think, No, it 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.280 is the wrong attitude. That's what I'm saying. That's why 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.320 they probably need to do something before the draft. It 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.720 might come down to what they really feel about Jalen. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.240 You know, we know what they say, but how do 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:53.240 they really feel about the player it'll be going up 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.000 at eighteen? Yeah, well I will see. Yeah, we know 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.200 what they say. But I have Well, I mean, you're 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.520 you're hopeful, You're hopeful beyond the record conversations are a 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.520 lot more positive than the real conversations. And that's not 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.280 just about Jalen Smith. That's just about that's true players 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.480 and teams in general, you know. So, yeah, And you'd 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.479 be foolish to not ensure yourselves against that, even if 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.240 he is gonna play like an all pro, which is 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.280 you know, I would be, there's gonna be there's gonna 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.960 be movement at that position in the spring before the draft, 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.320 I would bet. Just again, that's Oh, you'll know what's 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.840 gonna happen when you get to you when free agency 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.760 opens in March. You're gonna know what's happened with with 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.320 Hitchens early. Oh yeah, I think you'll know, really, or 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.040 you'll know before the draft. Well know, Annony Hitchins will 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:38.600 have a deal with somebody. We might will be get 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.360 the combine probably within a week. You're within a week 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.760 of the new league year. A true or false? Where 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.720 we are right now, the Cowboys will draft a linebacker 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:51.040 in the first three rounds. True. True, Okay, but see 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.200 I can't but see fine. One That's what scares me 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.159 is a true, and then I'm like, okay, Brian, you 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.320 said true. You've given me four names that I feel 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.520 good about, and after those four, I feel real bad 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.520 based on what you guys are telling me and what 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.639 I've seen with my own eyes. Quan Tremaine, Edmunds and 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.560 then probably Jewel and then maybe Matthews. Maybe I need 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.680 to watch him myself. But Williams. Yeah, I'm sorry, William 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.760 William excuse me. Matthews is a safety from Auburn. Got it? Yeah? 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.480 That's here we go. They're both named Trey, aren't they. Yes, 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:25.880 that's there. They're spelled differently. That's not that's not my fault. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.440 That's there. One's tra Ones tra Y. That's too much, 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.560 it is. Did I find my swing tackle today in 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:39.440 Brandon Parker from North Carolina's at? Uh? Did you? I 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.159 don't know. Did you think of that highly of him 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:45.520 where he could fill that role? Yeah, you're gonna have 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.119 to get him. Hi. You around on him by the 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.680 way to give him a third? Okay, here we go. 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.199 Will you like them? Right? Yeah? I did? Well? I did, 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.920 And all of a sudden, everybody reminds me of Chaz Green. Yeah, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.480 we Chah Green with to Florida with the North Carolina 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:01.879 A and T Hey no offense, guys, Hey last day, 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.280 And tell you what I like the kid? Yeah? Yeah, 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.520 what's his name from Hicock's freet Cohen. There we go. 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.720 I'll tell you what I like the kid playing today? Yeah, 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.520 I really did. I like the way he played left 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.840 tackle played right tackle. I know we've talked about him. 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:15.800 You brought him up before I brought him up yesterday. 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.720 I mean, he's a trades player. You could see how 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.560 he is raw in areas, but at that size, the movements, Uh, 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.520 you like the sixty seven three h three not mad No, No, 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.280 I can work with that. You like the player he 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.399 can grow in. Yeah, And you say I'm gonna have 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:30.960 to go to the third to get him because I 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.440 need to study him right now. Based on tape game 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:37.360 A third fourth, okay, so, and based on how he's 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.760 playing this week, I'd say that's probably more of a 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.560 three than a three to four. We'll see what does 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.080