Speaker 1: Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys on
Speaker 1: the our war room for in center news and draft analysis,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Select Ezikie Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two
Speaker 1: of the draft show here in Mobile, Alabama. Brian brought
Speaker 1: us Dane Brugler, David Hellman. We had fool pads practice today, boys,
Speaker 1: to get something out of that today. There yet of
Speaker 1: sound effects from popping those pads. Yeah, No, it's always good.
Speaker 1: Day two. See the progression from day one? Who made improvements?
Speaker 1: Who kind of built on a strong practice on Tuesday
Speaker 1: and Wednesday? I thought a few people did a few
Speaker 1: of these players, I thought, Will her Nandez, I think
Speaker 1: that's a player room. You're talking about a lot today
Speaker 1: and really through the process. Will her Nandez to me,
Speaker 1: I think that he needs to enter the conversation as
Speaker 1: the best non quarterback here. I think that he belongs
Speaker 1: in that conversation. Will Hernandez utep guard, Yes, quarterback, it's
Speaker 1: the best non quarterbacks. The quarterbacks. We could debate all
Speaker 1: day about open a show with that. Yesterday I was
Speaker 1: about to say So are you saying like a quarterback
Speaker 1: is just heading shoulders better than everybody else here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want you to say that just for the sake
Speaker 1: of conversation. Well, no, and I think that you know,
Speaker 1: when you factor in the value of the quarterback position. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know, Baker Mayfield, to me, it is the best
Speaker 1: player down here. But not to go down that road
Speaker 1: staying out of that just when in regards to Will Hernandez,
Speaker 1: I think the best the conversation, but the best non
Speaker 1: quarterback here he belongs in that conversation. M And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure he is going to be the highest drafted
Speaker 1: non quarterback. That's probably gonna go to Marcus Davenport, who
Speaker 1: has been up and down this week. Trades are obvious,
Speaker 1: and that's why he's going to be drafted, more so
Speaker 1: than the production and the player that he is. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's a very unseasoned player. But you see
Speaker 1: the trades and get excited about that. But best player
Speaker 1: will Will Hernandez is in that conversation. Did you agree
Speaker 1: with that? No, I'm proud of you for saying that.
Speaker 1: There you go. Now we're about to say, no, I
Speaker 1: think you're no. I mean, you know what I was, I'm,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I appreciate you saying that. I really really
Speaker 1: do Davenport scare you. I mean, I mean he's talking
Speaker 1: about him what I've seen. Yeah, I mean, we're we're
Speaker 1: talking about a guy that coming into the draft show.
Speaker 1: I mean, he hash It feels like every draft show
Speaker 1: we're talking about Davenport. But but but he but he's
Speaker 1: a guy that we were kind of hopeful that would
Speaker 1: come to the Senior Bowl and would dominate. And I
Speaker 1: haven't seen a dominant player here. I really haven't see.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe my expectations are different. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I expected him to dominate. I'm
Speaker 1: just a guy Arrange, you know, a guy that was
Speaker 1: built as a project before we even got here, coming
Speaker 1: from UTSA. I didn't expect him to dominate. I like,
Speaker 1: I expect like a not that he's here, but a
Speaker 1: guy like Quentin Elson. You're like, you know, everybody was
Speaker 1: so high on Aaron Donald the year he right here.
Speaker 1: I expect him to dominate Zach Marton that year. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't expect Marcus Davenport to dominate all.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not there's not I expected tackles that
Speaker 1: he's going against. But even still, like like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean even before we got here, wasn't the talk
Speaker 1: like there there isn't a consensus on him, right, I
Speaker 1: think there was a consensus that he's a top fifteen pick,
Speaker 1: which I don't I want to say it's a consensus.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think that, yeah, that
Speaker 1: he could go that high. I think it's a consensus
Speaker 1: that he's like, you know, a fifty type of guy. Yeah, sure, which, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm more intrigued by the flash than expecting him
Speaker 1: to dominate. That's that's me. And so yes, I am
Speaker 1: scared of Davenport, but not more so than like any
Speaker 1: other guy like that. Like so much of this stuff
Speaker 1: is projection. It reminds me and this is before my time,
Speaker 1: but just the type of guy we're talking about, I'm
Speaker 1: reminded a little bit of a guy like Ziggyanza, where
Speaker 1: you're like, the talent is freaky. That was one of
Speaker 1: my guys right there, talent freak and you're hoping that
Speaker 1: it pans out, and you know what, the film the
Speaker 1: film was really inconsistent at by you and he went yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Ziggy. Now it's a good comparison to ZIGGI was
Speaker 1: a guy who soccer player growing up. You know, the
Speaker 1: football experience wasn't there, uh, young in football years. And
Speaker 1: that's the same thing with h with Davenport, who you know,
Speaker 1: he's a wide receiver when he showed up in college,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was a basketball guy mostly most
Speaker 1: of his life. So you know, we're still seeing that inexperience.
Speaker 1: We see the traits, it's easy to see that, but
Speaker 1: you also see the high pad level off the last image,
Speaker 1: especially at the point of contact. Uh. You see the
Speaker 1: lack of transition move to move. I mean, he's really
Speaker 1: he relies on that power. Uh. And it's I think
Speaker 1: he's realizing this isn't the conference to us that oh no,
Speaker 1: he can't well he can't walk these tackles exact, or
Speaker 1: he can't capture the edge like he you know, he's
Speaker 1: got to come. It's a little bit like watching Taco.
Speaker 1: Remember how when Taco plays it was a why do
Speaker 1: you keep trying to bring up last year? No, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that when you talk about pad level, when
Speaker 1: you talk about rush down the middle, when you talk
Speaker 1: about have a counter move, and I guess that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of Now let me let me throw this at
Speaker 1: your rook finish your well. That's my point. Like, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're Aaron Donald or you know, if you're
Speaker 1: one of these like four year guys who just racked
Speaker 1: up every award at a major school, that's who I
Speaker 1: expect to dominate. Some guy coming from the CUSA who
Speaker 1: was playing guys who are never going to play in
Speaker 1: the NFL for most of his career. I don't expect
Speaker 1: that guy to dominate against these guys. But we're talking
Speaker 1: about him as a potential top based on it. But
Speaker 1: that's a projection. Just wait to the combine when he
Speaker 1: jumps exactly. Take him at nineteen. If he was there
Speaker 1: everything you're talking about, you're I mean, that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of if he were to slide through. If somebody doesn't like,
Speaker 1: you know, the things that we're talking about as as always,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw in you know, who else is there.
Speaker 1: But if you feel good about him, I'm not scared
Speaker 1: by the fact that he's a projection. If he was
Speaker 1: there and he's the best option, I would I would
Speaker 1: do it for sure, because I mean Ziggiansa turned into
Speaker 1: a hell of a pass rusher. Sure did. First year.
Speaker 1: I think he had twelve sacks. Its rookie year. TENA
Speaker 1: was the second year, but it was first year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he was the only player from the top
Speaker 1: ten of that draft that really panned out did anything
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen drafts. His nineteen is steal for him if
Speaker 1: he gets potentially, I mean, it's all based on potential,
Speaker 1: like you said, so, yeah, I think potentially he could
Speaker 1: be a steal at that point, which is why I
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be available. Uh. You know, every team
Speaker 1: needs more pass rush help every team. So for him
Speaker 1: to last through the first eighteen picks, I think I
Speaker 1: don't see happening. But if he did, you know, you
Speaker 1: do you bring on another talk of Charlton. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: see that's I'm saying. Though he's a better athlete, he's
Speaker 1: gonna tesk. Does the value of him if he had
Speaker 1: nineteen just make you have to think about it. I
Speaker 1: would much rather have a ready made guy. That I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's all always been my argument. In the first round.
Speaker 1: I want the ready made player, but I don't I'm
Speaker 1: not scared off by by his Rawness is what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say. Okay, if it was him or Hurst?
Speaker 1: Oh see, I you're you're talking about pass rushers. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about defensive lineman, right, No, I know, well,
Speaker 1: but you're I mean, you're talking about guys you're paying
Speaker 1: to go get the passer. I think the ceiling of
Speaker 1: Davenport is awfully intriguing compared to you know, what you
Speaker 1: get in Hurst. That's not a knock on Hurst, if
Speaker 1: he's what you hope he can be. You're talking about
Speaker 1: double digit sacks and defensive line or defensive end, doesn't
Speaker 1: you know, jump out at you as a top need
Speaker 1: for this team. But all right now, when you think
Speaker 1: about insurance for uh, you know, losing the Marcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: insurance for who the heck knows about Randy Gregory, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? That's that and I need to
Speaker 1: get to that today. Yeah, I mean, but so you're
Speaker 1: adding a pass rusher like that. It might not be
Speaker 1: the number one need, but sure another more pass rushing death.
Speaker 1: It's definitely on the list of needs. Fill me in
Speaker 1: with Stephen Jones said about Randy Gregory today, there's nothing
Speaker 1: to fill you in on he you know, the Joneses.
Speaker 1: The Joneses are very good about giving long and winding answers,
Speaker 1: useful answers to most of you know, the things you ask,
Speaker 1: sure which you know they're reporter's best friend. Asked about
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory and Stephen Jones basically was just like, nope, nothing,
Speaker 1: no update, got nothing and that was about it, which
Speaker 1: you know, you know, in the in all of the
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things that owners and general
Speaker 1: managers know about their team, I'm sure that he knows
Speaker 1: a little bit more than nothing, but nothing that he
Speaker 1: wants to share, which goes back to my point that
Speaker 1: what's what's his plan to spring Stephen Jones Steve Stephen Jones, Well,
Speaker 1: it very similar, you know, you get the very similar answers,
Speaker 1: which is you know he actually he said between DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence m Za, Zack Martin, Anthony Hitchins, and David Irving.
Speaker 1: Oh so he had Anthony Hitchins as when he mentioned
Speaker 1: he mentioned Hitchens and Irving as I mean, just he's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a hell of a challenge to keep
Speaker 1: the guys that are already on our team, let alone
Speaker 1: go shopping for other people's players. So draft will be
Speaker 1: a player here always. That's and he you know, he said,
Speaker 1: we're going to work the edges and whatever opportunities might
Speaker 1: present themselves. So like he kind of gave himself some
Speaker 1: caveats that, you know, if things fall the right way,
Speaker 1: maybe you'll see him do some stuff. But for the
Speaker 1: Seattle safety, maybe in mind. If I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: put words in the guy's mouth, but he kind of
Speaker 1: left himself a little caveat there. But I think one
Speaker 1: way or another, this is going to be a team
Speaker 1: that's trying to build through the draft for the fifth
Speaker 1: year in a row. I would be I would be
Speaker 1: shocked to see them spending big amounts of money on
Speaker 1: free agents just and other than their own obviously Ridley
Speaker 1: or Davenport. You go straight from that into that, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Ridley. But I mean, you know how I
Speaker 1: feel about Ridley. I know you do. That's why I
Speaker 1: always like to know how you guys are feeling about
Speaker 1: these players. I want to see commitment. That's what you
Speaker 1: see in a draft room. It's I want to see commitment.
Speaker 1: It's erie that you said that, because in my commitment
Speaker 1: on Phillips. Now when you're asking I know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, you spent fifteen minutes rank his DTS. That's good.
Speaker 1: He's a good at his job. I was thinking when
Speaker 1: you were asking me about Davenport, between the project of
Speaker 1: Davenport or Calvin Ridley, who will assuredly be one of
Speaker 1: the best two receivers on your team right away. I'll
Speaker 1: take Ridley every time. And that's not a knock on
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport or any other raw player, but I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm such a fan of the ready made guy. Like,
Speaker 1: what what did Zach Martin do for this team immediately?
Speaker 1: You know? And I mean it's hard to find talent,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to find that player, obviously, I know that,
Speaker 1: but that's what I want. They were they were going
Speaker 1: to take Chazer by the way. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: another one who contributed from David, especially for this team
Speaker 1: and the way they're set up. I mean this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, this is a team ready to win now.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you can add a Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: who instantly is your z and you know, upgrade over
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams. You know, I do that in a heartbeat,
Speaker 1: But who knows if they agree, you know, I it's
Speaker 1: a hard thing seeing this team go wide receiver in
Speaker 1: the first round, even though yeah, you said you wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it wide receiver, Yeah, Calvin ridden would Yeah what
Speaker 1: position was he? Offensive line? Offensive line? I'm taken off time.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm not dropping an offensive lineman in the
Speaker 1: first round for this team just because I feel good
Speaker 1: about uh, you know fifty year hitting that all day? Well,
Speaker 1: why don't her Nandez is not playing like a player
Speaker 1: is gonna last to fifty? Yeah? Uh, you know, Isaiah
Speaker 1: Win to me, like, all right today when I do
Speaker 1: my top fifty list, will her Nandez and Isaiah Win
Speaker 1: will both be probably in the top forty to forty
Speaker 1: five somewhere. So for them to be available at fifty,
Speaker 1: you're crossing your fingers, your toes, and every part of
Speaker 1: your body to make to hope they get there. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's still early, you know, wor Oh No, I'm
Speaker 1: just I love having away. I love having fun doing this.
Speaker 1: But no, right now, like I said about her Nandez,
Speaker 1: uh he just he had one bad rep today. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jalen Holmes DEFENSI vendor from Ohio State, got him when
Speaker 1: he caught her Nandez off balance a little bit. But
Speaker 1: besides him, that's the only time I saw Hernandez get beat.
Speaker 1: You saw power, he saw quickness to be the ability
Speaker 1: to reset on the move. Uh. With her Nandez, you're
Speaker 1: getting a plug and play player who, again three hundred
Speaker 1: forty pounds, doesn't eat a lose weight. He carries it well. Power, scheme, zone,
Speaker 1: scheme whatever. You know, why can't he do either? I
Speaker 1: you know, I have yet to for someone to give
Speaker 1: me a reason why he can't. So scheme versatile A
Speaker 1: big fan of are you? Would you be surprised if
Speaker 1: somebody took him in the back of the first round? No,
Speaker 1: none at all. I mean, like I said, you said
Speaker 1: forty five somewhere right. I haven't mapped it out yet,
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure exactly, but you know, I absolutely
Speaker 1: mean you. Okay, let's just think about the guards that
Speaker 1: have gone in the first round, the late first round
Speaker 1: in past years. Um, the forty nine ers took Josh Gardinette,
Speaker 1: right a couple of years ago. Stanford Hernandez is better
Speaker 1: than just absolutely lamp was back in the first round,
Speaker 1: wouldn't he. No? He was early second Yeah, the injured
Speaker 1: injured right. Yeah, for the Chargers um Laken, Tomlinson, Thompson
Speaker 1: the Lions a couple of years ago. Will her Nandez
Speaker 1: is better than Thomlinson in my opinion. Yeah, we've seen
Speaker 1: some guards, you know, some of those play those playoff
Speaker 1: teams kind of sneaking in the in the later portion,
Speaker 1: trying to help their offensive line a little exactly who
Speaker 1: could use some help in the offensive line, and you
Speaker 1: know they can go for a guard at that point.
Speaker 1: Will her nanda has absolutely could go in the first round.
Speaker 1: So long way to get to that point. Any linebackers
Speaker 1: do anything for you today? Mike McCrae from Michigan, Maybe
Speaker 1: anything from him. You know, I thought he played well
Speaker 1: in terms of, uh seeing it and going and getting it.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't play with much hesitation. Yeah, down
Speaker 1: him a downhill player, right, yeah, that's probably where his best.
Speaker 1: And he can play linebackers. Now again, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a cowboy angle here. But you're trying to think about
Speaker 1: we were talking about last night. There might not be
Speaker 1: where you know, I mean personally, I just trying to
Speaker 1: make yourself feel better about the linebacker pool. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to because all of a sudden, you know, I'm having
Speaker 1: dinner with you guys, and we talk about linebackers, and
Speaker 1: they were like, who are they? You know, And I'm
Speaker 1: watching I'm watching, you know, Mike McCrae play, and I'm
Speaker 1: watching Nike La the Luca and you know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out. I mean, I'm not, yeah, any and
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm better. No, no, I'm not. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but fourth round. But that's what I'm saying, is is
Speaker 1: it how much success that the Cowboys had taken a third, fourth? Okay,
Speaker 1: Andy Hitchen, fourth round? Yeah? But but where has the fourth, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth linebacker round done for the Cowboys? Where's that done? Where?
Speaker 1: Where has it? Where? Where's it been profitable? Yeah? They
Speaker 1: need to so all of a sudden matter again we're
Speaker 1: talking about it yesterday. Do you need to find a
Speaker 1: way if there's one of those linebackers is there at fourteen?
Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to give up assets to
Speaker 1: go up, but you might have to. If I'm trying
Speaker 1: to talk into Mike McCrae and I'm trying to talk
Speaker 1: into Nick de Luca, what would round were talking? Because
Speaker 1: to me, like McCray is more of a he's a
Speaker 1: Day three guy. He's not a top one hundred player. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 1: de Luca worried about his medicals a little bit. Okay.
Speaker 1: North Dakota State linebacker missed all of last year with
Speaker 1: a knee and then his past year. Uh got to
Speaker 1: the ball today and you said he got an interception
Speaker 1: interception today, So yeah, I think there's a linebacker. Did
Speaker 1: you see Trey Williams at all? Auburn line Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was trying to find him and I didn't. He didn't
Speaker 1: show up like he did yesterday. For me, that's not
Speaker 1: a good sign. Though. Well no, I mean I was trying. Well,
Speaker 1: if you had to try to find him, that's not
Speaker 1: a good sign. Bad. There's a lot of going on
Speaker 1: out there right now. There is a lot going on.
Speaker 1: Did you watch Trey Williams today Auburn linebacker? No. I
Speaker 1: focus more on different players in positions, so I did
Speaker 1: not watch it. I'm gonna derail the conversation a little least.
Speaker 1: Do I know this is the Draft show? But it
Speaker 1: just makes me think, you know, what strategy have we
Speaker 1: seen from this team over the course of the years,
Speaker 1: Like they try not to go into a draft with
Speaker 1: a layering problem, right and like so so who's going
Speaker 1: to be the bridge player and we need to stop
Speaker 1: doing that. I have a hard time expecting them to
Speaker 1: sign Anthony Hitchins. I just think the price would be
Speaker 1: too high, which but there's got to be somebody else
Speaker 1: out there. And yeah, I agree with you. The bargain
Speaker 1: bin stuff has not been working, which is why it
Speaker 1: would be nice. And there's so much work for them
Speaker 1: to do before that point. But maybe they can just
Speaker 1: sign a free agent that they feel good about for
Speaker 1: a change, you know, like spend a little bit more
Speaker 1: than you're used to so that you're not stuck in
Speaker 1: this situation where it's like, well there would be a
Speaker 1: Jermaine Edmonds goes off the board. I guess we're just
Speaker 1: gonna have to hope Sean Lee Stay is healthy or
Speaker 1: elsewhere screwed. That's the wrong attitude, I think, No, it
Speaker 1: is the wrong attitude. That's what I'm saying. That's why
Speaker 1: they probably need to do something before the draft. It
Speaker 1: might come down to what they really feel about Jalen.
Speaker 1: You know, we know what they say, but how do
Speaker 1: they really feel about the player it'll be going up
Speaker 1: at eighteen? Yeah, well I will see. Yeah, we know
Speaker 1: what they say. But I have Well, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: you're hopeful, You're hopeful beyond the record conversations are a
Speaker 1: lot more positive than the real conversations. And that's not
Speaker 1: just about Jalen Smith. That's just about that's true players
Speaker 1: and teams in general, you know. So, yeah, And you'd
Speaker 1: be foolish to not ensure yourselves against that, even if
Speaker 1: he is gonna play like an all pro, which is
Speaker 1: you know, I would be, there's gonna be there's gonna
Speaker 1: be movement at that position in the spring before the draft,
Speaker 1: I would bet. Just again, that's Oh, you'll know what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen when you get to you when free agency
Speaker 1: opens in March. You're gonna know what's happened with with
Speaker 1: Hitchens early. Oh yeah, I think you'll know, really, or
Speaker 1: you'll know before the draft. Well know, Annony Hitchins will
Speaker 1: have a deal with somebody. We might will be get
Speaker 1: the combine probably within a week. You're within a week
Speaker 1: of the new league year. A true or false? Where
Speaker 1: we are right now, the Cowboys will draft a linebacker
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds. True. True, Okay, but see
Speaker 1: I can't but see fine. One That's what scares me
Speaker 1: is a true, and then I'm like, okay, Brian, you
Speaker 1: said true. You've given me four names that I feel
Speaker 1: good about, and after those four, I feel real bad
Speaker 1: based on what you guys are telling me and what
Speaker 1: I've seen with my own eyes. Quan Tremaine, Edmunds and
Speaker 1: then probably Jewel and then maybe Matthews. Maybe I need
Speaker 1: to watch him myself. But Williams. Yeah, I'm sorry, William
Speaker 1: William excuse me. Matthews is a safety from Auburn. Got it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's here we go. They're both named Trey, aren't they. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's there. They're spelled differently. That's not that's not my fault.
Speaker 1: That's there. One's tra Ones tra Y. That's too much,
Speaker 1: it is. Did I find my swing tackle today in
Speaker 1: Brandon Parker from North Carolina's at? Uh? Did you? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Did you think of that highly of him
Speaker 1: where he could fill that role? Yeah, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to get him. Hi. You around on him by the
Speaker 1: way to give him a third? Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: Will you like them? Right? Yeah? I did? Well? I did,
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, everybody reminds me of Chaz Green. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we Chah Green with to Florida with the North Carolina
Speaker 1: A and T Hey no offense, guys, Hey last day,
Speaker 1: And tell you what I like the kid? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's his name from Hicock's freet Cohen. There we go.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I like the kid playing today? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really did. I like the way he played left
Speaker 1: tackle played right tackle. I know we've talked about him.
Speaker 1: You brought him up before I brought him up yesterday.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a trades player. You could see how
Speaker 1: he is raw in areas, but at that size, the movements, Uh,
Speaker 1: you like the sixty seven three h three not mad No, No,
Speaker 1: I can work with that. You like the player he
Speaker 1: can grow in. Yeah, And you say I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to go to the third to get him because I
Speaker 1: need to study him right now. Based on tape game
Speaker 1: A third fourth, okay, so, and based on how he's
Speaker 1: playing this week, I'd say that's probably more of a
Speaker 1: three than a three to four. We'll see what does
Speaker 1: it them. So, if I take a guard, if I
Speaker 1: take a guard in that second round, if one of those,
Speaker 1: if I find a starting guard, if I take win
Speaker 1: or her nandies, some sometow somehow ends up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a swing tackle in third round, not
Speaker 1: unless you are really worried about Tyrone. And you know
Speaker 1: what you should be. Are that worried? Where you gonna
Speaker 1: take a time? Just think it about what are you
Speaker 1: going to do in the bat with the back. I'm
Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe it's And I just said, you know,
Speaker 1: you need to cover yourself in all instances. But I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm not panicking about Tyranson. Okay, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: with you, I'm not. He's twenty seven years old. I'll
Speaker 1: remind you, guys, hey, and I'll that's I'll eat every
Speaker 1: bit of that crow. And I still, you need to
Speaker 1: address the position. You don't really have one right now.
Speaker 1: I get that, but let me ask you this more
Speaker 1: important to find a starting left guard or more important
Speaker 1: to find a backup for him starting a suitable one
Speaker 1: starting guard? I feel more and going back to that,
Speaker 1: I feel more comfortable addressing all of the offensive line
Speaker 1: stuff in free agency with cheaper guys than I do linebacker,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, I think, whether it's
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper, whether it's another journeyman, whether it's Byron Bell
Speaker 1: or a guy like him, I think you can get
Speaker 1: by with that as opposed to trying this position held
Speaker 1: you hostage. Uh didn't, Linebacker two. That's my point and
Speaker 1: I feel better addressing that and relying on the talent
Speaker 1: around those guys. Then lineback Brandon Parker, I kind of
Speaker 1: liked you today, North Carolina, A and T hell you
Speaker 1: bring them on. I'm not I'm not poop poo in that.
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Speaker 1: gonna get into a little twitter on the twenty David Hellman,
Speaker 1: please take it away. Y'all know how I love segues.
Speaker 1: So a friend of the show, Marcus, set me up
Speaker 1: for this really well with what Dan was talking about
Speaker 1: in the first segment. Who is a better fit for
Speaker 1: the Dallas line? Between Isaiah Win and Will Hernandez, the
Speaker 1: two guards who are showing out here, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what one of them is. One of them is the
Speaker 1: Hernandez to me is I do not see it. I
Speaker 1: see a guy that has the capability of movement, and
Speaker 1: I mean movement as far as getting on the edge,
Speaker 1: getting on the second level and getting into blocks and
Speaker 1: finishing blocks. He's a three hundred and forty pound man.
Speaker 1: The other man is three hundred and five. I want
Speaker 1: to say he's six zero two three. One is physically imposing,
Speaker 1: the other is a really good lighter athlete. And so
Speaker 1: if you told me the way Jerry Jones would think.
Speaker 1: He believes in keeping the front of the pocket firm.
Speaker 1: If you give me, you give me her Nandez, Frederick
Speaker 1: and Martin Dak Prescott could step up all day and
Speaker 1: throw the football and I and I think that either
Speaker 1: way you go would be fine. But if you gave
Speaker 1: me a choice between the two, I will take. I
Speaker 1: will take the physically bigger guy. One thing I love
Speaker 1: about will her Nandez, and you saw it in practice today.
Speaker 1: If he's a finisher, he's a mean, nasty dude. And
Speaker 1: I mean that you can tell you can tell im possible.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that like there were times BJ Hill
Speaker 1: they go head to head and BJ Hill is just
Speaker 1: like what do I have to do? Yeah, Like like
Speaker 1: don't rush him down the middle. Defensive tackles were getting
Speaker 1: frustrated over and over and over because will her Nandez
Speaker 1: he blocks through the echo of the whistle right and
Speaker 1: he's not done. I mean his film show that too.
Speaker 1: He's to focused, laser focused on his opponent and just
Speaker 1: beating him to the ground until the echo of the whistle.
Speaker 1: So I would agree with you. Power quickness, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's all there. But you know the thing too about
Speaker 1: win really, I mean you can I said the other
Speaker 1: day his uniform is never dirty. I'd never see him
Speaker 1: on the ground. And that was a left tackle, and
Speaker 1: that's a left tackle and the like kick slide, get outside,
Speaker 1: take guy, push guy. Why guy tries to go back inside?
Speaker 1: Take him out? Now, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Hernandez could be a tackle. He's a guard only
Speaker 1: now if you had to play, if you had to
Speaker 1: play win and a pinch at tackle. I don't think
Speaker 1: he kills you. He had overt We've seen him do it.
Speaker 1: He did a fifteen He started fifteen games this year
Speaker 1: for the SEC champs and almost national champ. One of
Speaker 1: these guys love versatility, position flex, position flex. You're absolutely right, Um,
Speaker 1: a lot of peez they love position flex. Give me
Speaker 1: the better player guard, Yeah, no, And I agree with
Speaker 1: that for what it's worth. Um. A lot of people
Speaker 1: have asked me, and Tyler being one of them, want
Speaker 1: to know about Iowa hawkeye Aquham Wadley wrote about him
Speaker 1: tonight that good huh. I wrote about him tonight. He
Speaker 1: was one of my guys that you can go ahead, Dane,
Speaker 1: you can you can fire away at him. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's tough in these all star settings to really get
Speaker 1: a feel for running backs, just because so much of
Speaker 1: the running back position is you know, feel, and you
Speaker 1: know in a game setting you can see that. We're
Speaker 1: in these practice settings, you know, it's all it's half speed,
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know not. They're not full tackling out there,
Speaker 1: so you know, he doesn't have a chance to break
Speaker 1: tackles right because these guys aren't trying to finish him
Speaker 1: to the ground. Um. But where you did see where
Speaker 1: it as valuable with the running backs two areas pass protection, Yeah,
Speaker 1: blocking there you go, and then catching the ball out
Speaker 1: of the back there you go. You like you saw. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this, though, I was impressed with
Speaker 1: this guy. He's got traits of a complete back, he
Speaker 1: really does. And the thing that really impressed me, I
Speaker 1: thought that he could take it in side or outside
Speaker 1: with effectiveness. Sometimes guys could take it inside, but when
Speaker 1: you ask him to bounce, can't get to the corner.
Speaker 1: This guy get to the corner though. I think he's
Speaker 1: got a combination of quickness. He's got a combination that
Speaker 1: quickness and power with the ball in his hands. I
Speaker 1: was impressed with his running style, the way he's able
Speaker 1: to when he hits it, he gets through. I mean
Speaker 1: he is a attack the line go and you know,
Speaker 1: get the secondary and second level guy. And you're talking
Speaker 1: about the pass box stuff the catch. Give me that
Speaker 1: he's got those traits of a complete back. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's a Bell cow back. We don't need
Speaker 1: a Bell cow back, but he is him and the
Speaker 1: LSU kid, Daryl william him and Darryl Williams. Of the
Speaker 1: two guys i've seen it this of this and the
Speaker 1: San Diego State kid. We talked about Penny, but Penny.
Speaker 1: What happened to Penny today? On the past, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say Penny is the best running back here just
Speaker 1: based on the tape and everything that we know coming
Speaker 1: in right, but throw down. You put Penny in the game,
Speaker 1: can you trust him to pass bat? When you talk
Speaker 1: about pass blot this is Dave appreciate that Penny's not
Speaker 1: worth a nickel hey catching, So huh, go ahead? You
Speaker 1: might use that one to night. Hi might? Yeah, please
Speaker 1: do pass protection. And then he put the ball on
Speaker 1: the ground a few times. Oh today, you know, Dane
Speaker 1: kind of looked over me one time. He goes see
Speaker 1: that and I'm like, yeah, but that's a penny. Is
Speaker 1: the best back here is the problem? Not the problem,
Speaker 1: but Wadley and Williams. To me, I'm looking for a
Speaker 1: guy that could help Zeke. I want. I think Williams
Speaker 1: could be an every down player though myself Williams, and
Speaker 1: that's not because he's an LSU guy. I'll put on
Speaker 1: my tiger half for a second and just say he's
Speaker 1: a damn good running back who has been stuck behind
Speaker 1: two of the best running backs to come out of
Speaker 1: college football. LSU uses him. They used him terribly for
Speaker 1: his Do you see the place he was making on
Speaker 1: the in the in the red zone? They really catches
Speaker 1: they throw at me, They adjusted the ball he's running up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, where was that? When you're playing
Speaker 1: again Tennessee, Florida Auburn. They let him do something I
Speaker 1: was gonna say when not as much as he did
Speaker 1: today when was off the field, there wasn't how much
Speaker 1: drop off when he's you know, in turns of production.
Speaker 1: I mean, he more than held his own and when
Speaker 1: he got opportunities at LSU, he took advantage in especially
Speaker 1: his past year. I don't I don't like two grade
Speaker 1: players because I'm not a scout, but I'm he's he's
Speaker 1: If he's still there in the late and after the
Speaker 1: fourth round, I would be surprised. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think he's a Day three guy. I don't think we're
Speaker 1: talking about were talking about william I'm talking about Williams.
Speaker 1: Where did you put Wadley? Yeah, well yeah, well that's one.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, just based on taping him at three four,
Speaker 1: Go see that's where do he take these backs. I'm
Speaker 1: not comparing him to Kamara, but we thought Kamara was
Speaker 1: better than where he was taking him, and I think
Speaker 1: we did to be fair. He was what pick sixty seven? No,
Speaker 1: but I mean you say pick sixty seven, that's the
Speaker 1: top one hundred pick. I mean that's the third round
Speaker 1: though round Yeah, yeah, I hear you. But you know,
Speaker 1: there a lot of these juniors entering the draft pushed
Speaker 1: these seniors down, and a guy like ok, Wadley kind
Speaker 1: of gets forgotten about a little bit. But he's a
Speaker 1: good player and he's showing it this week. And that's
Speaker 1: what I love to hear because I think this team
Speaker 1: needs another running back all they will and and they
Speaker 1: I think that maybe maybe this will be a position.
Speaker 1: It stretches a little bit, I hope. So one thing
Speaker 1: with Wideley was surprised he'll be to just real quick.
Speaker 1: One of these backs will be cheerleading for in the draft,
Speaker 1: you know, like we always do. They always be a
Speaker 1: Dane will go, Dane, Who I go? Dan? Who's your
Speaker 1: best left? Well, I've got you know he'll he'll stop three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we'll all I will all be cheerleading for a
Speaker 1: guy with Wadley buck eighty eight. I'm surprised by that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not a big guy. I'll tell you what, though
Speaker 1: he's a good player. Though he's a good player, I agree,
Speaker 1: and I mean I you know, watching him with it again,
Speaker 1: the ball inside outside. They tossed him the ball one
Speaker 1: time that he was to the corner and around the
Speaker 1: corner before they knew it. They couldn't react fast enough.
Speaker 1: If you didn't know a thing about these running backs
Speaker 1: coming into the week, didn't have any perception of this
Speaker 1: running back class, Yeah, how would you rank these running backs?
Speaker 1: I don't think Penny would be in your top. I
Speaker 1: don't think he would either. Edo Smith from Southern missus
Speaker 1: had a good week. I can't get his helmet confused
Speaker 1: because it looks like Watley's helme at the Iowa helmet
Speaker 1: at the Black five. Ye. Yeah, it's bad among other things. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but no, I don't think I would have Penny in
Speaker 1: my top I wouldn't have him on my top three.
Speaker 1: I wanted to love Penny just because he's a super
Speaker 1: talented dude. He obviously accomplished a lot in college. But again, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this in terms of what helps the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I don't need a dude who can just run like
Speaker 1: I don't. I need give me the complete guy I need.
Speaker 1: I need a guy that brings something else to the table.
Speaker 1: And it's not that Zeke can't do that stuff, but
Speaker 1: I already have a guy that's gonna run the ball.
Speaker 1: How about a guy that can help you in special
Speaker 1: teams too? That toobo, a guy that could play a
Speaker 1: couple of special teams while you're at it, and not
Speaker 1: a guys can stand up there next to the special team.
Speaker 1: You know, going back to Darryl William, guy that spent
Speaker 1: most of his career as the number three running back.
Speaker 1: You know, he knows how to do. Get after you
Speaker 1: get Darryl Wims in the sixth round. Yeah, I'm here
Speaker 1: for it. I think he's better than that. Um, I'm biased.
Speaker 1: He's gonna run a four to six four and now
Speaker 1: we'll take him. That's fine, Josh, Ye, A lot of
Speaker 1: people catches the ball well, A lot of people want
Speaker 1: to talk about James Washington understandably, so uh and we
Speaker 1: talked about this yesterday, but Josh wants a little more
Speaker 1: info on on James Washington's route tree. Just how y'all
Speaker 1: feel about, you know, the polished aspect of him. The
Speaker 1: film is always really good at him running down the
Speaker 1: field catching the ball for seventy yards. Yeah, the film
Speaker 1: is real good in doing that. The film is verticals digs. Well,
Speaker 1: I kind of sounds like it kind of sounds like
Speaker 1: a guy that we have, right, he's shown and I
Speaker 1: said that former Baylor, I no, no, former former Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State cowboy. Well with the other guy, I think James
Speaker 1: Washington is Terrence two point zero. That's my opinion. Catches
Speaker 1: the ball better. Oh and I'm okay better, He's a better,
Speaker 1: better hands catcher. Has he looked better here in terms
Speaker 1: of route running? The kid that's look the best is
Speaker 1: your Penn State, lad, So you're not you're not answering
Speaker 1: Josh's question, tell me answer he does. No. I think
Speaker 1: he has looked better because he is. He looked better
Speaker 1: than who's looked better than? Yeah, than his tape. I
Speaker 1: think he has day Sean Hamilton's been the best wide
Speaker 1: to see we're talking about James Washington. Okay, I just
Speaker 1: want to make sure you know who I talked. I
Speaker 1: think James Washington has looked better than his tape in
Speaker 1: terms of his route running and his releases because there
Speaker 1: has been spacing between him and these corners. I think
Speaker 1: he's done a nice job. So why don't we see
Speaker 1: that on tape? Well, he runs and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to get back to the Star and sit down and
Speaker 1: watch this practice tip. I'm gonna see that. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see this separate because when you watch him play down
Speaker 1: the field, Mason Ruff, it is a seventy yard pass
Speaker 1: and it's a catch and it's a touchdown. It's it's good.
Speaker 1: I'm all for that. But you're right, I mean that
Speaker 1: that was the one thing coming in. You said he's
Speaker 1: got to be a better route runner. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think you've seen that. I think you have seen that.
Speaker 1: I mean he's not this polished, refined route runner now,
Speaker 1: but in two days of practice got done a nice job. Okay, again,
Speaker 1: it's like you know a quarterback who runs, you know,
Speaker 1: a certain offense. You know, he can only take snaps
Speaker 1: out of the shotgun. You know, he can't dictate you
Speaker 1: know what he's doing in terms of helping pro scouts
Speaker 1: evaluate his transition to the next level. Same thing with
Speaker 1: a wide receiver like James Washington, He's not going to
Speaker 1: tell the coach, well, you know, scouts want to see
Speaker 1: me do this and this, and you know he needs
Speaker 1: to run the routes that are called for him. And
Speaker 1: that's what he did at with Cloma State and he
Speaker 1: did it really really well. Yeah, here he's taking advantage
Speaker 1: of it. And again I'm seeing consistent separation between him
Speaker 1: and corners. And it's not just the routes, but this
Speaker 1: is releases as well. You're seeing the physicality at the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage escape in the in the big twelve
Speaker 1: free access here we go, they rarely press. We are
Speaker 1: seeing that. And so for James Washington so far through
Speaker 1: two practices, I think he's done what he needed to
Speaker 1: don tested catches yesterday. Yeah, on comebacks, you see that,
Speaker 1: you know. But Brian's so gun shy about receiver at
Speaker 1: this point. He's just he's especially I'm not. I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm not. You know. The the gun shy part of
Speaker 1: it is, I think this league is going to give
Speaker 1: me guys that could catch it short and run run
Speaker 1: after catch. Give me guys that could get open, that
Speaker 1: could separate and run after catch. And I hear you,
Speaker 1: I mean the day of the big the big play,
Speaker 1: I mean the chunk plays or throw it underneath and
Speaker 1: run like hell. How about this stat for you? Okay,
Speaker 1: James Washington and College had thirty nine touchdowns over his career.
Speaker 1: Oh the average yards per touchdown it was forty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Forty two yards per touchdown. That's you know,
Speaker 1: that's the offense. We've watched the cutups together. Yeah, every
Speaker 1: the ball is going down the field, he's catching in
Speaker 1: and it's and there, and every end the shotguns are
Speaker 1: going off, you know. I mean, that's that's what he is. Shotguns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're six shooters at whatever. The shotguns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why to West Virginia, that guy would yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: mountaineer friend of the show, Bobby can have something real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you move him up around James Washington. No, I
Speaker 1: mean I think he's come in and should go ahead
Speaker 1: of anybody else that you thought. Maybe he should not
Speaker 1: have been ahead of. No, because coming well, coming into
Speaker 1: the week, Anthony Miller, James Washington, Michael Gallery, I wish
Speaker 1: he'd have done. You know, I'm worried about the foot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: about that injury. We're we'll find out more at the
Speaker 1: combat was better yesterday too, by the way, than Washington.
Speaker 1: Better better than what he did. Yeah, he didn't stand
Speaker 1: out as much today, I agree, But I think that's
Speaker 1: that's I was looking at. That was one of my
Speaker 1: main storylines coming into the week because with the wide
Speaker 1: receivers kind of separated. You didn't say that, And I
Speaker 1: think James Washington has not necessarily separated himself with the
Speaker 1: top guy here, but at least done enough where if
Speaker 1: you twisted my arm and made me say who's the
Speaker 1: best wide receiver here, I would lean James Washington. Hamilton
Speaker 1: helped himself. I mentioned him, Oh yeah, oh yeah, you're
Speaker 1: Penn State guy. He's yeah, he's had he and he
Speaker 1: had another good day to day, at least from what
Speaker 1: I saw. He seems like he gets open every single time.
Speaker 1: With a wide receiver receiver position, he's not going to
Speaker 1: test overly well and he's not the biggest guy, But
Speaker 1: what are the two most important things at wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Can you get open and can you catch the ball?
Speaker 1: He does both, and he does both of those things.
Speaker 1: And so we get caught up in the numbers and
Speaker 1: the measurables. But he's helped himself with He was in
Speaker 1: Tampa last week at the Shrine Game, comes to Mobile
Speaker 1: this week, and he's been terrific because he is creating
Speaker 1: that separation he's catching off his shoelaces to the ground.
Speaker 1: He is making those guys the body control and balance
Speaker 1: is really impressive. He is a small space player, and
Speaker 1: I love I love these guys that like ball out
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Game and they're like, well, why don't
Speaker 1: you keep it rolling? Come on, come on? Not everyone
Speaker 1: does that. He's not on a bunch of lists. I
Speaker 1: know who he is now. There are some receivers who
Speaker 1: are just players in general who were at the Shrine
Speaker 1: Game or NFLPA and they got the call up to
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and they said, no, I'm good. I
Speaker 1: was happy with my last week. Don't be foolish. And
Speaker 1: that's come on, and then you have a day Shawn Hamilton,
Speaker 1: who comes here and he not only did it against
Speaker 1: shrine competition or you know, in that type of setting
Speaker 1: and that those practices, comes here and says, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can do it. You know, this is me what you
Speaker 1: saw last week with you know, all time leading catcher
Speaker 1: and Penn State history. Yeah, I'll just come here and
Speaker 1: do it again. So where what's your grade on him?
Speaker 1: That's all I ever want to know. I gave him
Speaker 1: a four or five coming into the week, but he's
Speaker 1: creeping towards the top one hundred status. Yeah he I
Speaker 1: think you have to because again you're right, Dane, and
Speaker 1: he's the one kid I found, like it from the
Speaker 1: north side that's consistently found ways to get open. I
Speaker 1: mean he runs routes and he's open and these were
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks sometimes get him the ball and sometimes they
Speaker 1: make him work for the ball. But I think he's
Speaker 1: I think he's the closer again I wrote this down today.
Speaker 1: The closer he gets the sidelines, the more he's shown
Speaker 1: the ability to work in that tight space. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: feet in his natural hands, hands are just really really natural.
Speaker 1: So anyway, okay, when we were more and then we
Speaker 1: got to hit a break, this is just a good
Speaker 1: one to wrap it up with. Bobby like Bobby Bobby Belt. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: friend of the show, the show. Feel like y'all are
Speaker 1: gonna I know, based on what we've talked about today,
Speaker 1: we're gonna know this guy. But he who's I'll get
Speaker 1: the question exactly right the most which player in attendance
Speaker 1: looks the most ready to step in and be a
Speaker 1: formidable NFL starter? Formidable day one? Where's your Donald? Where's
Speaker 1: your Martin? Is there one here? It's got to be
Speaker 1: one of the guards that we talked about. I would
Speaker 1: have guessed Hernandez based on the way y'all are. I'm
Speaker 1: on the back all night. Yeah, I mean there's probably
Speaker 1: four or five. Any of the defensive tackles. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you like enough of hand? Would you see a
Speaker 1: good week? He's helped himself. Do you feel like that
Speaker 1: you could play one of those hand from Alabama? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, folks, I do that a lot. But like
Speaker 1: I mean again, formidable Day one starter, You're ready to
Speaker 1: put that on him. I'll tell you what though, I
Speaker 1: see yeah, see yeah, all right, how about has any
Speaker 1: and come in and surprised you? And now you think
Speaker 1: they can come in and be a starter where you
Speaker 1: didn't think that coming in is anyone? What was? But
Speaker 1: the wide receivers we talked about, you talked about what
Speaker 1: you do. Do you think Hamilton could be a starter? Well? No,
Speaker 1: how about Washington? Do you think he could be a starter.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking, Yeah, I mean I thought, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you if you're telling me who's better than Terence Williams,
Speaker 1: it's gonna sell. Mean, Terrence is a day one starter
Speaker 1: for that. I'll give you a name. Nathan Shephard uh
Speaker 1: from Fort Hayes, who I talked about yesterday broke his
Speaker 1: hand today, he did, unfortunately, but through through two practices. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would argue he's been the best defensive lineman here
Speaker 1: in terms of his that's impressed. Again. I'm from Mars
Speaker 1: and I came down to Earth two days ago. I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about these players, and I just saw
Speaker 1: this kid from Fort Hayes State and he's played like
Speaker 1: the best defensive lineman here. So I think he's Yes,
Speaker 1: he's out. Hopefully he can perform at that's taking all
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks out of it, right, No, I mean yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying defensive line. Yeah no, no, but Nike's coming in, Starr,
Speaker 1: shoot your shot, Shoot you if you think one of
Speaker 1: the guards. Yeah, okay, see Dan Dane's not messing around.
Speaker 1: You're kind of trying to dance and a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm not doing that. Baker Mayfield's a formidable Day
Speaker 1: one starter, saying somebody I used to go if if
Speaker 1: they's your chest, yeah, you have to go play, Josh,
Speaker 1: how so if you have to. I'm just looking at
Speaker 1: these guys though, I'm just trying to think. I think
Speaker 1: it's one of the guards. I really do. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at I'm looking at it. I'm thinking, Okay, well, who
Speaker 1: could come in here and be that guy that you
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Speaker 1: back here at the Senior Ball Mobile, Alabama. Day two.
Speaker 1: We're putting a bow on it right now if we here.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Dame Burglar, David Helma, Kent Garrison executive producing.
Speaker 1: Uh this program again one seem we appreciate everybody joining
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Speaker 1: Um got day three coming up tomorrow, another padded practice,
Speaker 1: I believe is what we got going. And then Friday
Speaker 1: we have no access, so we're all aheading just walk throughs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: walk throughs and stuff like that. We're out of here
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. As a matter of fact. Yeah go zip
Speaker 1: zip out believe So wow. Flight to Dallas. The flight
Speaker 1: to Dallas, A couple updates from injuries that we had earlier.
Speaker 1: Dallas Garter with a hammy. I wanted to love you
Speaker 1: and then I just barely saw you. I talked to
Speaker 1: his agent today and uh, he said, it's not serious.
Speaker 1: He should be fine for the combine in South Dacas.
Speaker 1: Probably the top tight end in this draft. I think
Speaker 1: it was a good chance he is. What about the
Speaker 1: kid from Oklahoma, Yeah, Mark Andrews, who is a terrific player.
Speaker 1: It's just it's hard because he didn't play tight end
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma. No, he was a thlought receiver. He was,
Speaker 1: he didn't line up in line and he was detached
Speaker 1: in the slot, and so he faces a big, you
Speaker 1: know challenge of someone drafts him to be an in
Speaker 1: line tight end. Um. You know, we feel good about
Speaker 1: the athlete in the in the past catcher, but Dallas
Speaker 1: god Or at least we've seen put his hand on
Speaker 1: the ground and he's just a fascinating guy. I thought
Speaker 1: he won the way Ends came in at two hundred
Speaker 1: sixty pounds. I didn't expect that. I thought two forty
Speaker 1: five to two fifty. Uh, he was six four and
Speaker 1: a half. So I think he can really separate himself
Speaker 1: as a top guy. Would you think of uh speaking
Speaker 1: to these tight ends? He and Thomas I took the
Speaker 1: word right on my mouth. I have no thoughts on
Speaker 1: Ian Thomas I stage. This was my first line in
Speaker 1: my notes today to be up on Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: com or it should be up right now on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com. I can see you guys just sitting
Speaker 1: in the press box just kind of like ling to
Speaker 1: each other, you know. Stephen Thomas sits between us, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he'll come up with some stuff. He'll come up
Speaker 1: with a guy or two to watch and then but
Speaker 1: like he went down, he moses it around on the
Speaker 1: field today, and so there was a chair between Dane
Speaker 1: and I. Actually Nick Saban sat in front of us
Speaker 1: to story and Ozzie got together. But it's funny when
Speaker 1: something happens on the field. I could feel him looking
Speaker 1: in my direction and I do the same when something happen,
Speaker 1: and we're kind of looking at the same thing. Ian
Speaker 1: Thomas today the tight end from Indiana, though there was
Speaker 1: a crazy I said. First line on my notes today
Speaker 1: is this is a this is a growing U, I said,
Speaker 1: Ian Thomas. Tight in Indiana is growing on me as
Speaker 1: a prospect. And I says college coach is using more
Speaker 1: as an ah than a true in line guy. But
Speaker 1: the Texans coaches are doing the same thing with him,
Speaker 1: which is playing to his strength. So you see Dane
Speaker 1: used the term a loose player, loose meaning not tight.
Speaker 1: When you watch him run routes, body control, he's loose
Speaker 1: in the he plays. He doesn't he doesn't labor. He
Speaker 1: doesn't labor at all. And you know what they did, though, David.
Speaker 1: They used him, like I said, as an h and
Speaker 1: they kept him in to block in passing situation. So
Speaker 1: he's blocking on defensive ends. It's like he's rushing. Guys
Speaker 1: are rushing and they're keeping him in. They don't do
Speaker 1: it a lot, but like the Cowboys have done that, Nah, James,
Speaker 1: Hannah and Witten. So all of a sudden, if you're
Speaker 1: a Cowboy fan and you're thinking, okay, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: want to keep using tight ends in twelve personnel thirteen
Speaker 1: personnel where they keep him in the bloody but this
Speaker 1: guy could get down the field they catch the ball.
Speaker 1: I love that you're bringing this up, because as soon
Speaker 1: as Dane said what he said about Mark Andrews, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, next, I don't know, I don't need I
Speaker 1: don't need a guy that's never done the blocking aspect
Speaker 1: of tight end. Not because I mean not because I
Speaker 1: don't like it, but I just know how it's gonna
Speaker 1: go with with these guys. Uh so, just keep keep
Speaker 1: that away from me and give me the game. Ian
Speaker 1: Thompson and he but you know, I noticed he didn't,
Speaker 1: did he He didn't have his knee brace on, Like
Speaker 1: during the season he wore a knee brace like a big,
Speaker 1: big black and I didn't see it. So hopefully maybe
Speaker 1: if there's any kind of problems, maybe it's behind him.
Speaker 1: But again, I just think, you know, here's a guy
Speaker 1: that's blocking defensive ends and not getting ragged all, not
Speaker 1: getting thrown around. I mean, he's in position and he
Speaker 1: could catch the ball. He's got some it's got some
Speaker 1: some Hannah to him. I mean, Hanna is a surprisingly
Speaker 1: you know, people forget that he's got a pretty good
Speaker 1: pair of hands and can you know, have to touchdown
Speaker 1: against the Rams. He can he can do stuff downfield.
Speaker 1: I just don't ask it of him. Let me turn
Speaker 1: this on you, now, okay, Mike Gasecki or you and Thomas.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Ian Thomas. I like, I feel like there's
Speaker 1: Gasecki had a good day today about here's an anti
Speaker 1: gatch every time he caught a past you know, the
Speaker 1: pinch state. Because there's some guys playing in the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: They're actually doing pretty well. It's almost like they've enjoyed
Speaker 1: back to back ten eleven win season. But he I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what though, he is uh, he's not gonna block,
Speaker 1: but he will catch the ball down the field. And
Speaker 1: he did that today. And you know what, again, Landi Watts,
Speaker 1: the safety from Texas A and M had no chance
Speaker 1: against him today. The sometime player, as Dame Bruger likes
Speaker 1: to call him, sometimes can cover. Sometimes he did. I
Speaker 1: was disappointed by the way and that I was hopefully
Speaker 1: he would come in here and and and put that
Speaker 1: that tag to to rest, you know, But you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you're like, Okay, who was onto me coverage? Oh?
Speaker 1: It was Watts And it happened like twice today and
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I was so mad. I was. I
Speaker 1: got mad by the way. The best safety here is
Speaker 1: from Penn State is Allen Yeah. So yeah, I see.
Speaker 1: And I've said that they should have been the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe the hear before that. Yeah, I said that.
Speaker 1: I think I've said that a few times at this point,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, I think of safety as a
Speaker 1: as a question for the Cowboys to answer, and I'm
Speaker 1: not in love with theirs in this draft to this point.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm missing something. Did anybody ask a Byron
Speaker 1: Jones question today? Among your group? I think we actually
Speaker 1: we talked. No, well, yeah, we mentioned that we talked
Speaker 1: about it yesterday. No, we didn't get much more into it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, and like I said, I think we
Speaker 1: covered this last night. But it's funny to me, it's
Speaker 1: almost February, and because the Cowboys have turned over so
Speaker 1: much of their staff, they haven't sat down and had
Speaker 1: those meetings yet where they're like they're trying to learn
Speaker 1: the team right now, this is what this guy, this
Speaker 1: is what this guy sucks at. Yeah, that's gonna happen
Speaker 1: when they get back from here, you know, between now
Speaker 1: and the combine. And Stephen Jones said, uh, yesterday, he's
Speaker 1: basically like, you know, we're gonna listen a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say anything, but he said something
Speaker 1: along the lines of, you know, I'm not convinced we
Speaker 1: put Byron in the best position to succeed last year.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe we weren't using them the right way.
Speaker 1: He wasn't ready to say what the right way is,
Speaker 1: but yeah, No, I mean it is Chris Richard gonna
Speaker 1: come in and say you're you're bringing in You're bringing
Speaker 1: in eight new coaches, and they're gonna have some ideas
Speaker 1: about the way they like to play football with this personnel.
Speaker 1: I'm sure a guy like him can sit down and
Speaker 1: look at the tape and be like, why why are
Speaker 1: you playing him a safety? Why aren't you doing this? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Which having said that, I think the flip side of
Speaker 1: that coin is it's really easy to see Chris Richard
Speaker 1: coming in, Uh Richard or Richard Richard. I gotta I
Speaker 1: think it might be Richard. I don't know, we gotta
Speaker 1: figure that out. Um, come in and you know the
Speaker 1: way they like to play their corners in Seattle, and
Speaker 1: you look at Byron and say, well, yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 1: move in the corner. We'll see. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not ready to just assume they're going to do that,
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, I think, yeah, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be there's gonna be things that change. I mean, they
Speaker 1: moved Lyle from guard to tackle last year after saying
Speaker 1: for two years they wouldn't do it. So Tyler Conklin,
Speaker 1: another guy went off that way Yeah, we went off.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm keeping with the tight Ends.
Speaker 1: I was gonna mention Conklinty crassion he related to Jack.
Speaker 1: I you know what, that's a good question both from Michigan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell you what if he's related to Jack. Didn't bring
Speaker 1: him on because he's a good player. Job today him
Speaker 1: and Jordan Aikins from UCF and that one nice one.
Speaker 1: He was a player they added. Did they added they
Speaker 1: added another questern Kentucky player. Yeah. He didn't do too bad,
Speaker 1: just getting thrown in the mix, right, He did a
Speaker 1: nice job. So yeah, the tight Ends they were hurting
Speaker 1: because we mentioned God it was down and so was
Speaker 1: Adam Brennan, the UMass tight Ends. Yeah, we were sitting
Speaker 1: next to a certain club that was kind of when
Speaker 1: Brennaman went down. They were kind of when they heard that,
Speaker 1: they all kind of went a damn. We'll get to
Speaker 1: them on the draft. Uh. I think we had to
Speaker 1: touch on the quarterbacks real quick. Yeah, I would like, yeah,
Speaker 1: did you have any observations today that cut your eye?
Speaker 1: But the quarterbacks, I thought they threw the ball better overall.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did, and I and and it includes even
Speaker 1: though that uh, our Guy Allen, Josh Allen. Josh Allen
Speaker 1: was throwing into a net and missed the net completely
Speaker 1: one time. He did, you know, footwork looked good and
Speaker 1: then the ball left his hand and it went over
Speaker 1: the top of the net. Was moving all over the place.
Speaker 1: Oh no, standing still, that was standing still. I'll say that.
Speaker 1: I thought about Dane though, because I was down in
Speaker 1: the stands working on something with the Joneses, and I
Speaker 1: had time to stop and watch some reps and great,
Speaker 1: you know it's not it wasn't eleven on eleven. It
Speaker 1: was just one v ones. But he threw this rope
Speaker 1: to uh down the corner of the end zone. It
Speaker 1: was to um gallop, gall gallop. Yeah, and there's the
Speaker 1: best throw he's hand here literally And it wasn't just me,
Speaker 1: like everybody just kind of went like whoa, whoa yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean I get it. Galloped had a nice
Speaker 1: job track and it was that right inside the pot,
Speaker 1: right inside, was right inside against and I mean it
Speaker 1: went it went right over his shoulder and just it
Speaker 1: was exactly where it needed to be. It came out
Speaker 1: of his hand quick, it arked just there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was perfect. It was a perfect route. Too by
Speaker 1: gallop because he was able to get outside leverage the
Speaker 1: corner and then worked to the the corner pylon. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a perfect route. But then you watch then
Speaker 1: you watched like five more reps and like he didn't
Speaker 1: have he didn't do anything awful, but they didn't look
Speaker 1: like that. You're just like, well, they were working down
Speaker 1: in the red zone. I know the South team was
Speaker 1: in the red zone. Did because North didn't do any
Speaker 1: red zone stuff. Yeah, so that the Texans. The Texans
Speaker 1: did red zone stuff, and it looked like the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: did a better job of Mike White from what Kentucky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that and that in that tight fueled area. Though
Speaker 1: I hate to say this because he's from my hometown
Speaker 1: and he went to my high school. Not super impressed
Speaker 1: with Tanner Lee. Had a bad interception, had a bad day.
Speaker 1: I liked what I saw goyesterday from him today not
Speaker 1: so much. I thought I took a step back a
Speaker 1: little lost. I agree that the kind of the theme
Speaker 1: today with quarterbacks was progress. Yeah, but Tanner Lee kind
Speaker 1: of went into other drags. Nick de Luca made him
Speaker 1: the linebacker pick. Yeah, Nick de Luca was just dropping
Speaker 1: in a zone. Yeah. And with Tanner Lee, you see it,
Speaker 1: the size, the arm. I mean, he there are the
Speaker 1: traits that you like, but you know, just not enough consistency.
Speaker 1: And with Alan, yeah, just up and down and hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll see more progress tomorrow. But he's so fascinating because
Speaker 1: when it when it looks good, it looks amazing, prettiest
Speaker 1: convey But I wish I wish missed then. I wish
Speaker 1: we could just get everybody to agree, like we all
Speaker 1: we all agree that he's intriguing, Like, let's all just
Speaker 1: agree to not draft him before like pick yeahwey, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel that that should be fair and then do
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Yeah, but like I can't justify drafting
Speaker 1: that guy in the top five. But I just feel like,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's it's gonna happen, happen. I trust me.
Speaker 1: I've been in those rooms and the argument is gonna
Speaker 1: start and they're gonna and it's a hard I think
Speaker 1: it's a hard position to evaluates people fell to twenty Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I missed him like a like wow, struck out
Speaker 1: four times. I'm the worst quarterback evalue there is. Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't on record and say that, hey, you don't.
Speaker 1: Actually you're not the guy actually drafting him, though I glad.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying i'd be fire radio John Elway draft.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I don't. I don't quite get it,
Speaker 1: and everybody that I like you should like this is
Speaker 1: really that's an interesting point that I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: I knew it was there, but I hadn't thought about it.
Speaker 1: But the Broncos pick what five? Oh yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: they got all those quarterbacks on their there's four picks
Speaker 1: they pick four? Don't four? Is um? Damn n? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's right, Browns four, that's five? Right, I'm sorry, you're right. Day,
Speaker 1: I'll be intrigued because they're gonna spend a week with
Speaker 1: this cat. Right. Oh. No, same thing with Baker. If
Speaker 1: they don't want to draft him at five, then that
Speaker 1: should be a warning to everybody else, like, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: let him fall a little way or that to John Elway.
Speaker 1: Can't evaluate quarterbacks. There's that too. I mean, there's no
Speaker 1: such thing as a No one's got a perfect batting order.
Speaker 1: When evaluating quarterbacks batting record, there's average is the word, y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we go mine? Mine is I am out of the LEA. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't. I watched those quarterbacks and it's almost like
Speaker 1: a prayer, please let me see something that's that's just like,
Speaker 1: let me see that ball. You know, that's the league though,
Speaker 1: Like that's just the NFL are hoping because it's the
Speaker 1: position that determines the success of your franchise. Yeah, and anybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we have this conversation until we're
Speaker 1: blue in the face. If the Cowboys had known Dak
Speaker 1: would be good, they wouldn't have taken him after Charles Tapper.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's just it's a crapshoot. So don't
Speaker 1: beat yourself up. No, I just I'm you know, when
Speaker 1: we talk about cowboy, that's the last position that we
Speaker 1: study with myself and Jeff Jeff Kavanaugh KT and I fortunately, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the last one. I know, well, i know
Speaker 1: it's important in the grand scheme of football, but I'm
Speaker 1: not really worried about it. From a Cowboys perspectives. Looked
Speaker 1: like they threw the ball better today, didn't and you
Speaker 1: you would hope, so you know, with the even against
Speaker 1: air right, getting to know these receivers, uh, just getting
Speaker 1: a better feel for the coaching and now, okay, in
Speaker 1: the Thursday, I want to see more progress, especially from
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Uh, because again on tape he's uh, some
Speaker 1: of these throws look amazing, but too many times and
Speaker 1: it's I think it's just his rhythm from start to finish.
Speaker 1: His rhythm is off. We had his body the way
Speaker 1: it comes out of his hand, and you said yesterday,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he knows where it's going right, and
Speaker 1: I think it's because of a rhythm issue with his
Speaker 1: mechanics in the pocket. So now I'm with you if
Speaker 1: I'm you know, the Browns or the Jets or one
Speaker 1: of these teams and the Broncos picking in the top
Speaker 1: ten and I need a quarterback. I need to see
Speaker 1: progress in day three from Josh Allen for me to
Speaker 1: consider it. Tomorrow. You you want to see progress from
Speaker 1: especially tomorrow. You're off Jones duty. I think, I yes,
Speaker 1: so's tomorrow. What what do you excited to beep? What
Speaker 1: do you want to see? I mean, I'll be I
Speaker 1: want to watch these receivers more. I've got a good
Speaker 1: look at him, but again, you know, improvement through the week.
Speaker 1: Take a closer look at Hamilton Gallup, Washington, who I
Speaker 1: just I feel like I'm just naturally down on him.
Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't be get a closer look at him,
Speaker 1: closer look at Davenport, just kind of try to settle
Speaker 1: how I feel about him, And then, you know, I
Speaker 1: keep thinking about how good I thought Kareem Hunt was
Speaker 1: last year, which you know, maybe that won't happen again.
Speaker 1: But I would love to find a Day three running
Speaker 1: back for the Cowboys to draft. So that's okay, we
Speaker 1: don't have time to talk about it. But what do
Speaker 1: y'all think about the Arizona State kit Balash? Yeah, kalin Um,
Speaker 1: he's thinking a lot of opportunities to Arizona State. It's
Speaker 1: a big dude, No he is. He looks like a linebacker. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he's a better pass catcher than runner. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not. I'm just not as for as
Speaker 1: big as he is, he's not as I think he'll
Speaker 1: I think he'll test well, but you just don't see
Speaker 1: it on the field. I don't see it. You don't
Speaker 1: see on the football field. So I'm not a big
Speaker 1: fan of his. I've round four to seven. Need to
Speaker 1: find me a running back, that's what I want. I
Speaker 1: need to keep finding linebackers. Guys. Well, I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: looking at every single linebacker that's out there playing tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure one out. All right, Well, it
Speaker 1: sounds like though tomorrow night. Though we talked about possibly
Speaker 1: a Thursday show. We've got a lot of sound like
Speaker 1: flights and stuff like that. Yeah, maybe we'll have to
Speaker 1: say so kind of stay tuned the draft show. If
Speaker 1: if I could put something together, I might be and
Speaker 1: I'm here to Friday. I might do something, maybe a periscope,
Speaker 1: one man show. Probably do a one man show show,
Speaker 1: one man show. Maybe we'll call Nate Newton if he's
Speaker 1: still here, Nate Doute and I'll go through some stuff,
Speaker 1: but maybe do a little periscope thirty minutes, kind of
Speaker 1: tie things up so you guys can get out of
Speaker 1: here and we can get the equipment loaded. So all right,
Speaker 1: for my scout and buddies, For David Hellman, for Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: for ken't Garrison executive producer, thank everybody once again for
Speaker 1: being with us, and we will talk to you from
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl tomorrow.