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Speaker 1: Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys on

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Speaker 1: the our war room for in center news and draft analysis,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Select Ezikie Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two

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Speaker 1: of the draft show here in Mobile, Alabama. Brian brought

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Speaker 1: us Dane Brugler, David Hellman. We had fool pads practice today, boys,

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Speaker 1: to get something out of that today. There yet of

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Speaker 1: sound effects from popping those pads. Yeah, No, it's always good.

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Speaker 1: Day two. See the progression from day one? Who made improvements?

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Speaker 1: Who kind of built on a strong practice on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: and Wednesday? I thought a few people did a few

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Speaker 1: of these players, I thought, Will her Nandez, I think

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Speaker 1: that's a player room. You're talking about a lot today

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Speaker 1: and really through the process. Will her Nandez to me,

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Speaker 1: I think that he needs to enter the conversation as

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Speaker 1: the best non quarterback here. I think that he belongs

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Speaker 1: in that conversation. Will Hernandez utep guard, Yes, quarterback, it's

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Speaker 1: the best non quarterbacks. The quarterbacks. We could debate all

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Speaker 1: day about open a show with that. Yesterday I was

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Speaker 1: about to say So are you saying like a quarterback

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Speaker 1: is just heading shoulders better than everybody else here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want you to say that just for the sake

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Speaker 1: of conversation. Well, no, and I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: when you factor in the value of the quarterback position. Sure,

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Speaker 1: you know, Baker Mayfield, to me, it is the best

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Speaker 1: player down here. But not to go down that road

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Speaker 1: staying out of that just when in regards to Will Hernandez,

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Speaker 1: I think the best the conversation, but the best non

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Speaker 1: quarterback here he belongs in that conversation. M And I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure he is going to be the highest drafted

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Speaker 1: non quarterback. That's probably gonna go to Marcus Davenport, who

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Speaker 1: has been up and down this week. Trades are obvious,

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Speaker 1: and that's why he's going to be drafted, more so

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Speaker 1: than the production and the player that he is. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a very unseasoned player. But you see

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Speaker 1: the trades and get excited about that. But best player

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Speaker 1: will Will Hernandez is in that conversation. Did you agree

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Speaker 1: with that? No, I'm proud of you for saying that.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Now we're about to say, no, I

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Speaker 1: think you're no. I mean, you know what I was, I'm,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I appreciate you saying that. I really really

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Speaker 1: do Davenport scare you. I mean, I mean he's talking

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Speaker 1: about him what I've seen. Yeah, I mean, we're we're

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Speaker 1: talking about a guy that coming into the draft show.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he hash It feels like every draft show

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Speaker 1: we're talking about Davenport. But but but he but he's

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Speaker 1: a guy that we were kind of hopeful that would

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Speaker 1: come to the Senior Bowl and would dominate. And I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen a dominant player here. I really haven't see.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe my expectations are different. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I expected him to dominate. I'm

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Speaker 1: just a guy Arrange, you know, a guy that was

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Speaker 1: built as a project before we even got here, coming

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Speaker 1: from UTSA. I didn't expect him to dominate. I like,

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Speaker 1: I expect like a not that he's here, but a

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Speaker 1: guy like Quentin Elson. You're like, you know, everybody was

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Speaker 1: so high on Aaron Donald the year he right here.

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Speaker 1: I expect him to dominate Zach Marton that year. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't expect Marcus Davenport to dominate all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's not there's not I expected tackles that

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Speaker 1: I mean even before we got here, wasn't the talk

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Speaker 1: like there there isn't a consensus on him, right, I

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Speaker 1: think there was a consensus that he's a top fifteen pick,

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Speaker 1: which I don't I want to say it's a consensus.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think that, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: that he's like, you know, a fifty type of guy. Yeah, sure, which, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm more intrigued by the flash than expecting him

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Speaker 1: scared of Davenport, but not more so than like any

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Speaker 1: but just the type of guy we're talking about, I'm

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Speaker 1: reminded a little bit of a guy like Ziggyanza, where

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Speaker 1: he's realizing this isn't the conference to us that oh no,

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Speaker 1: got to come. It's a little bit like watching Taco.

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Speaker 1: Remember how when Taco plays it was a why do

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Speaker 1: just saying that when you talk about pad level, when

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Speaker 1: that's a projection. Just wait to the combine when he

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Speaker 1: jumps exactly. Take him at nineteen. If he was there

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Speaker 1: everything you're talking about, you're I mean, that's that's kind

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Speaker 1: do it for sure, because I mean Ziggiansa turned into

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Speaker 1: don't see happening. But if he did, you know, you

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Speaker 1: do you bring on another talk of Charlton. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: see that's I'm saying. Though he's a better athlete, he's

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Speaker 1: would much rather have a ready made guy. That I mean,

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Speaker 1: and that's all always been my argument. In the first round.

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Speaker 1: Oh see, I you're you're talking about pass rushers. I'm

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Speaker 1: just talking about defensive lineman, right, No, I know, well,

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Speaker 1: but you're I mean, you're talking about guys you're paying

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Speaker 1: Davenport is awfully intriguing compared to you know, what you

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Speaker 1: get in Hurst. That's not a knock on Hurst, if

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Speaker 1: he's what you hope he can be. You're talking about

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Speaker 1: adding a pass rusher like that. It might not be

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Speaker 1: the number one need, but sure another more pass rushing death.

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Speaker 1: with Stephen Jones said about Randy Gregory today, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: The Joneses are very good about giving long and winding answers,

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Speaker 1: useful answers to most of you know, the things you ask,

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Speaker 1: sure which you know they're reporter's best friend. Asked about

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Speaker 1: Randy Gregory and Stephen Jones basically was just like, nope, nothing,

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Speaker 1: go shopping for other people's players. So draft will be

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Speaker 1: a player here always. That's and he you know, he said,

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Speaker 1: caveats that, you know, if things fall the right way,

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Speaker 1: maybe you'll see him do some stuff. But for the

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Speaker 1: that's trying to build through the draft for the fifth

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Speaker 1: year in a row. I would be I would be

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Speaker 1: shocked to see them spending big amounts of money on

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Speaker 1: free agents just and other than their own obviously Ridley

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Speaker 1: or Davenport. You go straight from that into that, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking Ridley. But I mean, you know how I

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Speaker 1: feel about Ridley. I know you do. That's why I

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Speaker 1: always like to know how you guys are feeling about

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Speaker 1: these players. I want to see commitment. That's what you

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Speaker 1: see in a draft room. It's I want to see commitment.

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Speaker 1: It's erie that you said that, because in my commitment

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Speaker 1: on Phillips. Now when you're asking I know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, you spent fifteen minutes rank his DTS. That's good.

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Speaker 1: He's a good at his job. I was thinking when

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Speaker 1: Davenport or Calvin Ridley, who will assuredly be one of

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Speaker 1: take Ridley every time. And that's not a knock on

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Speaker 1: just I'm not panicking about Tyranson. Okay, I'm not. I'm

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Speaker 1: So a friend of the show, Marcus, set me up

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Speaker 1: in the first segment. Who is a better fit for

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Speaker 1: Hernandez to me is I do not see it. I

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Speaker 1: The other man is three hundred and five. I want

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Speaker 1: He believes in keeping the front of the pocket firm.

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Speaker 1: If you give me, you give me her Nandez, Frederick

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Speaker 1: about will her Nandez, and you saw it in practice today.

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Speaker 1: If he's a finisher, he's a mean, nasty dude. And

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Speaker 1: I mean that you can tell you can tell im possible.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that like there were times BJ Hill

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Speaker 1: like what do I have to do? Yeah, Like like

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Speaker 1: don't rush him down the middle. Defensive tackles were getting

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Speaker 1: frustrated over and over and over because will her Nandez

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Speaker 1: he blocks through the echo of the whistle right and

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Speaker 1: he's not done. I mean his film show that too.

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Speaker 1: He's to focused, laser focused on his opponent and just

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Speaker 1: So I would agree with you. Power quickness, Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a left tackle and the like kick slide, get outside,

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Speaker 1: take guy, push guy. Why guy tries to go back inside?

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Speaker 1: Take him out? Now, I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if Hernandez could be a tackle. He's a guard only

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Speaker 1: now if you had to play, if you had to

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Speaker 1: play win and a pinch at tackle. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he kills you. He had overt We've seen him do it.

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Speaker 1: He did a fifteen He started fifteen games this year

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Speaker 1: for the SEC champs and almost national champ. One of

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Speaker 1: these guys love versatility, position flex, position flex. You're absolutely right, Um,

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Speaker 1: a lot of peez they love position flex. Give me

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Speaker 1: that for what it's worth. Um. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: to know about Iowa hawkeye Aquham Wadley wrote about him

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Speaker 1: you can you can fire away at him. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's tough in these all star settings to really get

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Speaker 1: the running back position is you know, feel, and you

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Speaker 1: in these practice settings, you know, it's all it's half speed,

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Speaker 1: tackles right because these guys aren't trying to finish him

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Speaker 1: to the ground. Um. But where you did see where

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Speaker 1: really does. And the thing that really impressed me, I

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Speaker 1: you ask him to bounce, can't get to the corner.

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Speaker 1: to when he hits it, he gets through. I mean

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Speaker 1: he is a attack the line go and you know,

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Speaker 1: get the secondary and second level guy. And you're talking

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Speaker 1: he's got those traits of a complete back. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's a Bell cow back. We don't need

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Speaker 1: LSU kid, Daryl william him and Darryl Williams. Of the

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Speaker 1: two guys i've seen it this of this and the

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Speaker 1: San Diego State kid. We talked about Penny, but Penny.

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Speaker 1: What happened to Penny today? On the past, I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say Penny is the best running back here just

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Speaker 1: based on the tape and everything that we know coming

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Speaker 1: in right, but throw down. You put Penny in the game,

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Speaker 1: can you trust him to pass bat? When you talk

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Speaker 1: about pass blot this is Dave appreciate that Penny's not

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Speaker 1: worth a nickel hey catching, So huh, go ahead? You

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Speaker 1: might use that one to night. Hi might? Yeah, please

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Speaker 1: do pass protection. And then he put the ball on

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Speaker 1: the ground a few times. Oh today, you know, Dane

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Speaker 1: kind of looked over me one time. He goes see

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Speaker 1: that and I'm like, yeah, but that's a penny. Is

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Speaker 1: the best back here is the problem? Not the problem,

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Speaker 1: but Wadley and Williams. To me, I'm looking for a

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Speaker 1: guy that could help Zeke. I want. I think Williams

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Speaker 1: could be an every down player though myself Williams, and

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Speaker 1: that's not because he's an LSU guy. I'll put on

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Speaker 1: my tiger half for a second and just say he's

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Speaker 1: a damn good running back who has been stuck behind

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Speaker 1: two of the best running backs to come out of

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Speaker 1: college football. LSU uses him. They used him terribly for

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Speaker 1: his Do you see the place he was making on

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Speaker 1: the in the in the red zone? They really catches

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Speaker 1: they throw at me, They adjusted the ball he's running up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, where was that? When you're playing

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Speaker 1: again Tennessee, Florida Auburn. They let him do something I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say when not as much as he did

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Speaker 1: today when was off the field, there wasn't how much

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Speaker 1: drop off when he's you know, in turns of production.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he more than held his own and when

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Speaker 1: he got opportunities at LSU, he took advantage in especially

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Speaker 1: his past year. I don't I don't like two grade

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Speaker 1: players because I'm not a scout, but I'm he's he's

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Speaker 1: If he's still there in the late and after the

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Speaker 1: fourth round, I would be surprised. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: think he's a Day three guy. I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: talking about were talking about william I'm talking about Williams.

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Speaker 1: Where did you put Wadley? Yeah, well yeah, well that's one.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, just based on taping him at three four,

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Speaker 1: Go see that's where do he take these backs. I'm

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Speaker 1: not comparing him to Kamara, but we thought Kamara was

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Speaker 1: better than where he was taking him, and I think

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Speaker 1: we did to be fair. He was what pick sixty seven? No,

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Speaker 1: but I mean you say pick sixty seven, that's the

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Speaker 1: top one hundred pick. I mean that's the third round

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Speaker 1: though round Yeah, yeah, I hear you. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there a lot of these juniors entering the draft pushed

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Speaker 1: these seniors down, and a guy like ok, Wadley kind

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Speaker 1: of gets forgotten about a little bit. But he's a

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Speaker 1: good player and he's showing it this week. And that's

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Speaker 1: what I love to hear because I think this team

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Speaker 1: needs another running back all they will and and they

632
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Speaker 1: I think that maybe maybe this will be a position.

633
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 1: It stretches a little bit, I hope. So one thing

634
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: with Wideley was surprised he'll be to just real quick.

635
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: One of these backs will be cheerleading for in the draft,

636
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, like we always do. They always be a

637
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: Dane will go, Dane, Who I go? Dan? Who's your

638
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: best left? Well, I've got you know he'll he'll stop three. Yeah,

639
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: and we'll all I will all be cheerleading for a

640
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: guy with Wadley buck eighty eight. I'm surprised by that. Yeah,

641
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: he's not a big guy. I'll tell you what, though

642
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: he's a good player. Though he's a good player, I agree,

643
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: and I mean I you know, watching him with it again,

644
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: the ball inside outside. They tossed him the ball one

645
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: time that he was to the corner and around the

646
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: corner before they knew it. They couldn't react fast enough.

647
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: If you didn't know a thing about these running backs

648
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: coming into the week, didn't have any perception of this

649
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: running back class, Yeah, how would you rank these running backs?

650
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't think Penny would be in your top. I

651
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: don't think he would either. Edo Smith from Southern missus

652
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: had a good week. I can't get his helmet confused

653
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: because it looks like Watley's helme at the Iowa helmet

654
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: at the Black five. Ye. Yeah, it's bad among other things. Yeah. Um,

655
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: but no, I don't think I would have Penny in

656
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: my top I wouldn't have him on my top three.

657
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to love Penny just because he's a super

658
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: talented dude. He obviously accomplished a lot in college. But again, yeah,

659
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this in terms of what helps the Cowboys.

660
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't need a dude who can just run like

661
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I need give me the complete guy I need.

662
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: I need a guy that brings something else to the table.

663
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: And it's not that Zeke can't do that stuff, but

664
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: I already have a guy that's gonna run the ball.

665
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: How about a guy that can help you in special

666
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: teams too? That toobo, a guy that could play a

667
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: couple of special teams while you're at it, and not

668
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: a guys can stand up there next to the special team.

669
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: You know, going back to Darryl William, guy that spent

670
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: most of his career as the number three running back.

671
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: You know, he knows how to do. Get after you

672
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: get Darryl Wims in the sixth round. Yeah, I'm here

673
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: for it. I think he's better than that. Um, I'm biased.

674
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna run a four to six four and now

675
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: we'll take him. That's fine, Josh, Ye, A lot of

676
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: people catches the ball well, A lot of people want

677
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: to talk about James Washington understandably, so uh and we

678
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: talked about this yesterday, but Josh wants a little more

679
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: info on on James Washington's route tree. Just how y'all

680
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: feel about, you know, the polished aspect of him. The

681
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: film is always really good at him running down the

682
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: field catching the ball for seventy yards. Yeah, the film

683
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: is real good in doing that. The film is verticals digs. Well,

684
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: I kind of sounds like it kind of sounds like

685
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: a guy that we have, right, he's shown and I

686
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: said that former Baylor, I no, no, former former Oklahoma

687
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: State cowboy. Well with the other guy, I think James

688
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: Washington is Terrence two point zero. That's my opinion. Catches

689
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: the ball better. Oh and I'm okay better, He's a better,

690
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: better hands catcher. Has he looked better here in terms

691
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: of route running? The kid that's look the best is

692
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: your Penn State, lad, So you're not you're not answering

693
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: Josh's question, tell me answer he does. No. I think

694
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: he has looked better because he is. He looked better

695
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: than who's looked better than? Yeah, than his tape. I

696
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: think he has day Sean Hamilton's been the best wide

697
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: to see we're talking about James Washington. Okay, I just

698
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: want to make sure you know who I talked. I

699
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: think James Washington has looked better than his tape in

700
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: terms of his route running and his releases because there

701
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: has been spacing between him and these corners. I think

702
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: he's done a nice job. So why don't we see

703
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: that on tape? Well, he runs and I can't wait

704
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: to get back to the Star and sit down and

705
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: watch this practice tip. I'm gonna see that. I'm gonna

706
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: see this separate because when you watch him play down

707
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: the field, Mason Ruff, it is a seventy yard pass

708
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: and it's a catch and it's a touchdown. It's it's good.

709
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm all for that. But you're right, I mean that

710
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: that was the one thing coming in. You said he's

711
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: got to be a better route runner. Yeah, And I

712
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: think you've seen that. I think you have seen that.

713
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean he's not this polished, refined route runner now,

714
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: but in two days of practice got done a nice job. Okay, again,

715
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: it's like you know a quarterback who runs, you know,

716
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: a certain offense. You know, he can only take snaps

717
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: out of the shotgun. You know, he can't dictate you

718
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: know what he's doing in terms of helping pro scouts

719
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: evaluate his transition to the next level. Same thing with

720
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: a wide receiver like James Washington, He's not going to

721
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: tell the coach, well, you know, scouts want to see

722
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: me do this and this, and you know he needs

723
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: to run the routes that are called for him. And

724
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: that's what he did at with Cloma State and he

725
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: did it really really well. Yeah, here he's taking advantage

726
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: of it. And again I'm seeing consistent separation between him

727
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: and corners. And it's not just the routes, but this

728
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: is releases as well. You're seeing the physicality at the

729
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage escape in the in the big twelve

730
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: free access here we go, they rarely press. We are

731
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: seeing that. And so for James Washington so far through

732
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: two practices, I think he's done what he needed to

733
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: don tested catches yesterday. Yeah, on comebacks, you see that,

734
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: you know. But Brian's so gun shy about receiver at

735
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: this point. He's just he's especially I'm not. I'm not,

736
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm not. You know. The the gun shy part of

737
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: it is, I think this league is going to give

738
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: me guys that could catch it short and run run

739
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: after catch. Give me guys that could get open, that

740
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: could separate and run after catch. And I hear you,

741
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: I mean the day of the big the big play,

742
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: I mean the chunk plays or throw it underneath and

743
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: run like hell. How about this stat for you? Okay,

744
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: James Washington and College had thirty nine touchdowns over his career.

745
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: Oh the average yards per touchdown it was forty two. Yeah,

746
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Forty two yards per touchdown. That's you know,

747
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: that's the offense. We've watched the cutups together. Yeah, every

748
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: the ball is going down the field, he's catching in

749
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: and it's and there, and every end the shotguns are

750
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: going off, you know. I mean, that's that's what he is. Shotguns. Yeah,

751
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: I think they're six shooters at whatever. The shotguns. Yeah,

752
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: why to West Virginia, that guy would yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,

753
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: mountaineer friend of the show, Bobby can have something real quick. Yeah,

754
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: if you move him up around James Washington. No, I

755
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: mean I think he's come in and should go ahead

756
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: of anybody else that you thought. Maybe he should not

757
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: have been ahead of. No, because coming well, coming into

758
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: the week, Anthony Miller, James Washington, Michael Gallery, I wish

759
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: he'd have done. You know, I'm worried about the foot. Yeah,

760
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: about that injury. We're we'll find out more at the

761
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: combat was better yesterday too, by the way, than Washington.

762
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: Better better than what he did. Yeah, he didn't stand

763
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: out as much today, I agree, But I think that's

764
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: that's I was looking at. That was one of my

765
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: main storylines coming into the week because with the wide

766
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: receivers kind of separated. You didn't say that, And I

767
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: think James Washington has not necessarily separated himself with the

768
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: top guy here, but at least done enough where if

769
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: you twisted my arm and made me say who's the

770
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: best wide receiver here, I would lean James Washington. Hamilton

771
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: helped himself. I mentioned him, Oh yeah, oh yeah, you're

772
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: Penn State guy. He's yeah, he's had he and he

773
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: had another good day to day, at least from what

774
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: I saw. He seems like he gets open every single time.

775
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: With a wide receiver receiver position, he's not going to

776
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: test overly well and he's not the biggest guy, But

777
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: what are the two most important things at wide receiver?

778
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: Can you get open and can you catch the ball?

779
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: He does both, and he does both of those things.

780
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: And so we get caught up in the numbers and

781
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: the measurables. But he's helped himself with He was in

782
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Tampa last week at the Shrine Game, comes to Mobile

783
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: this week, and he's been terrific because he is creating

784
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: that separation he's catching off his shoelaces to the ground.

785
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: He is making those guys the body control and balance

786
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: is really impressive. He is a small space player, and

787
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: I love I love these guys that like ball out

788
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Game and they're like, well, why don't

789
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: you keep it rolling? Come on, come on? Not everyone

790
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: does that. He's not on a bunch of lists. I

791
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: know who he is now. There are some receivers who

792
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: are just players in general who were at the Shrine

793
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: Game or NFLPA and they got the call up to

794
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and they said, no, I'm good. I

795
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: was happy with my last week. Don't be foolish. And

796
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: that's come on, and then you have a day Shawn Hamilton,

797
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: who comes here and he not only did it against

798
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: shrine competition or you know, in that type of setting

799
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: and that those practices, comes here and says, yeah, I

800
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: can do it. You know, this is me what you

801
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: saw last week with you know, all time leading catcher

802
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: and Penn State history. Yeah, I'll just come here and

803
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: do it again. So where what's your grade on him?

804
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: That's all I ever want to know. I gave him

805
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: a four or five coming into the week, but he's

806
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: creeping towards the top one hundred status. Yeah he I

807
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: think you have to because again you're right, Dane, and

808
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: he's the one kid I found, like it from the

809
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: north side that's consistently found ways to get open. I

810
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: mean he runs routes and he's open and these were

811
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks sometimes get him the ball and sometimes they

812
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: make him work for the ball. But I think he's

813
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: I think he's the closer again I wrote this down today.

814
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: The closer he gets the sidelines, the more he's shown

815
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: the ability to work in that tight space. Yeah, the

816
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: feet in his natural hands, hands are just really really natural.

817
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: So anyway, okay, when we were more and then we

818
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: got to hit a break, this is just a good

819
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: one to wrap it up with. Bobby like Bobby Bobby Belt. Yeah. Uh,

820
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: friend of the show, the show. Feel like y'all are

821
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: gonna I know, based on what we've talked about today,

822
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna know this guy. But he who's I'll get

823
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: the question exactly right the most which player in attendance

824
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: looks the most ready to step in and be a

825
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: formidable NFL starter? Formidable day one? Where's your Donald? Where's

826
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: your Martin? Is there one here? It's got to be

827
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: one of the guards that we talked about. I would

828
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: have guessed Hernandez based on the way y'all are. I'm

829
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: on the back all night. Yeah, I mean there's probably

830
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: four or five. Any of the defensive tackles. I mean,

831
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: do you like enough of hand? Would you see a

832
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: good week? He's helped himself. Do you feel like that

833
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: you could play one of those hand from Alabama? Yeah?

834
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, folks, I do that a lot. But like

835
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean again, formidable Day one starter, You're ready to

836
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: put that on him. I'll tell you what though, I

837
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: see yeah, see yeah, all right, how about has any

838
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: and come in and surprised you? And now you think

839
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: they can come in and be a starter where you

840
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: didn't think that coming in is anyone? What was? But

841
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: the wide receivers we talked about, you talked about what

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Speaker 1: you do. Do you think Hamilton could be a starter? Well? No,

843
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Speaker 1: how about Washington? Do you think he could be a starter.

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Speaker 1: I'm just asking, Yeah, I mean I thought, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna sell. Mean, Terrence is a day one starter

847
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Speaker 1: for that. I'll give you a name. Nathan Shephard uh

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Speaker 1: from Fort Hayes, who I talked about yesterday broke his

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Speaker 1: I would argue he's been the best defensive lineman here

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Speaker 1: in terms of his that's impressed. Again. I'm from Mars

852
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853
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Speaker 1: don't know anything about these players, and I just saw

854
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Speaker 1: this kid from Fort Hayes State and he's played like

855
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Speaker 1: the best defensive lineman here. So I think he's Yes,

856
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: he's out. Hopefully he can perform at that's taking all

857
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks out of it, right, No, I mean yeah, no,

858
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Speaker 1: I'm saying defensive line. Yeah no, no, but Nike's coming in, Starr,

859
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Speaker 1: shoot your shot, Shoot you if you think one of

860
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Speaker 1: the guards. Yeah, okay, see Dan Dane's not messing around.

861
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Speaker 1: You're kind of trying to dance and a bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm not doing that. Baker Mayfield's a formidable Day

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Speaker 1: one starter, saying somebody I used to go if if

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865
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Speaker 1: how so if you have to. I'm just looking at

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Speaker 1: these guys though, I'm just trying to think. I think

867
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Speaker 1: at I'm looking at it. I'm thinking, Okay, well, who

869
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873
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Speaker 1: Um got day three coming up tomorrow, another padded practice,

926
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Speaker 1: I believe is what we got going. And then Friday

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Speaker 1: we have no access, so we're all aheading just walk throughs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night. As a matter of fact. Yeah go zip

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Speaker 1: zip out believe So wow. Flight to Dallas. The flight

931
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Speaker 1: to Dallas, A couple updates from injuries that we had earlier.

932
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: Dallas Garter with a hammy. I wanted to love you

933
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: and then I just barely saw you. I talked to

934
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: his agent today and uh, he said, it's not serious.

935
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Speaker 1: He should be fine for the combine in South Dacas.

936
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Speaker 1: Probably the top tight end in this draft. I think

937
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: it was a good chance he is. What about the

938
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: kid from Oklahoma, Yeah, Mark Andrews, who is a terrific player.

939
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: It's just it's hard because he didn't play tight end

940
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma. No, he was a thlought receiver. He was,

941
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: he didn't line up in line and he was detached

942
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: in the slot, and so he faces a big, you

943
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: know challenge of someone drafts him to be an in

944
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: line tight end. Um. You know, we feel good about

945
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: the athlete in the in the past catcher, but Dallas

946
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Speaker 1: god Or at least we've seen put his hand on

947
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Speaker 1: the ground and he's just a fascinating guy. I thought

948
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Speaker 1: he won the way Ends came in at two hundred

949
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Speaker 1: sixty pounds. I didn't expect that. I thought two forty

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Speaker 1: five to two fifty. Uh, he was six four and

951
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Speaker 1: a half. So I think he can really separate himself

952
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Speaker 1: as a top guy. Would you think of uh speaking

953
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: to these tight ends? He and Thomas I took the

954
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: word right on my mouth. I have no thoughts on

955
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Speaker 1: Ian Thomas I stage. This was my first line in

956
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Speaker 1: my notes today to be up on Dallas Cowboys dot

957
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Speaker 1: com or it should be up right now on Dallas

958
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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com. I can see you guys just sitting

959
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: in the press box just kind of like ling to

960
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: each other, you know. Stephen Thomas sits between us, Yeah,

961
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Speaker 1: and he'll come up with some stuff. He'll come up

962
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Speaker 1: with a guy or two to watch and then but

963
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: like he went down, he moses it around on the

964
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Speaker 1: field today, and so there was a chair between Dane

965
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Speaker 1: and I. Actually Nick Saban sat in front of us

966
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Speaker 1: to story and Ozzie got together. But it's funny when

967
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: something happens on the field. I could feel him looking

968
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: in my direction and I do the same when something happen,

969
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: and we're kind of looking at the same thing. Ian

970
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Speaker 1: Thomas today the tight end from Indiana, though there was

971
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Speaker 1: a crazy I said. First line on my notes today

972
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Speaker 1: is this is a this is a growing U, I said,

973
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: Ian Thomas. Tight in Indiana is growing on me as

974
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: a prospect. And I says college coach is using more

975
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: as an ah than a true in line guy. But

976
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: the Texans coaches are doing the same thing with him,

977
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: which is playing to his strength. So you see Dane

978
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: used the term a loose player, loose meaning not tight.

979
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: When you watch him run routes, body control, he's loose

980
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: in the he plays. He doesn't he doesn't labor. He

981
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: doesn't labor at all. And you know what they did, though, David.

982
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: They used him, like I said, as an h and

983
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: they kept him in to block in passing situation. So

984
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: he's blocking on defensive ends. It's like he's rushing. Guys

985
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: are rushing and they're keeping him in. They don't do

986
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: it a lot, but like the Cowboys have done that, Nah, James,

987
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: Hannah and Witten. So all of a sudden, if you're

988
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: a Cowboy fan and you're thinking, okay, and the Cowboys

989
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: want to keep using tight ends in twelve personnel thirteen

990
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: personnel where they keep him in the bloody but this

991
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: guy could get down the field they catch the ball.

992
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: I love that you're bringing this up, because as soon

993
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: as Dane said what he said about Mark Andrews, I'm

994
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: just like, next, I don't know, I don't need I

995
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: don't need a guy that's never done the blocking aspect

996
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: of tight end. Not because I mean not because I

997
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: don't like it, but I just know how it's gonna

998
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: go with with these guys. Uh so, just keep keep

999
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: that away from me and give me the game. Ian

1000
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: Thompson and he but you know, I noticed he didn't,

1001
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: did he He didn't have his knee brace on, Like

1002
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: during the season he wore a knee brace like a big,

1003
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: big black and I didn't see it. So hopefully maybe

1004
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: if there's any kind of problems, maybe it's behind him.

1005
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: But again, I just think, you know, here's a guy

1006
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Speaker 1: that's blocking defensive ends and not getting ragged all, not

1007
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: getting thrown around. I mean, he's in position and he

1008
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: could catch the ball. He's got some it's got some

1009
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: some Hannah to him. I mean, Hanna is a surprisingly

1010
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, people forget that he's got a pretty good

1011
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: pair of hands and can you know, have to touchdown

1012
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: against the Rams. He can he can do stuff downfield.

1013
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: I just don't ask it of him. Let me turn

1014
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: this on you, now, okay, Mike Gasecki or you and Thomas.

1015
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm taking Ian Thomas. I like, I feel like there's

1016
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: Gasecki had a good day today about here's an anti

1017
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: gatch every time he caught a past you know, the

1018
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: pinch state. Because there's some guys playing in the Senior Bowl.

1019
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: They're actually doing pretty well. It's almost like they've enjoyed

1020
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: back to back ten eleven win season. But he I'll

1021
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: tell you what though, he is uh, he's not gonna block,

1022
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: but he will catch the ball down the field. And

1023
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: he did that today. And you know what, again, Landi Watts,

1024
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: the safety from Texas A and M had no chance

1025
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: against him today. The sometime player, as Dame Bruger likes

1026
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: to call him, sometimes can cover. Sometimes he did. I

1027
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: was disappointed by the way and that I was hopefully

1028
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: he would come in here and and and put that

1029
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: that tag to to rest, you know, But you're right.

1030
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you're like, Okay, who was onto me coverage? Oh?

1031
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: It was Watts And it happened like twice today and

1032
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I was so mad. I was. I

1033
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: got mad by the way. The best safety here is

1034
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: from Penn State is Allen Yeah. So yeah, I see.

1035
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: And I've said that they should have been the playoffs.

1036
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean maybe the hear before that. Yeah, I said that.

1037
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: I think I've said that a few times at this point,

1038
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: which is, you know, I think of safety as a

1039
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: as a question for the Cowboys to answer, and I'm

1040
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,479
Speaker 1: not in love with theirs in this draft to this point.

1041
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm missing something. Did anybody ask a Byron

1042
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: Jones question today? Among your group? I think we actually

1043
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: we talked. No, well, yeah, we mentioned that we talked

1044
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: about it yesterday. No, we didn't get much more into it. Yeah,

1045
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: so you know, and like I said, I think we

1046
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: covered this last night. But it's funny to me, it's

1047
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: almost February, and because the Cowboys have turned over so

1048
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: much of their staff, they haven't sat down and had

1049
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: those meetings yet where they're like they're trying to learn

1050
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: the team right now, this is what this guy, this

1051
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,959
Speaker 1: is what this guy sucks at. Yeah, that's gonna happen

1052
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: when they get back from here, you know, between now

1053
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: and the combine. And Stephen Jones said, uh, yesterday, he's

1054
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: basically like, you know, we're gonna listen a little bit.

1055
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say anything, but he said something

1056
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: along the lines of, you know, I'm not convinced we

1057
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: put Byron in the best position to succeed last year.

1058
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: You know, maybe we weren't using them the right way.

1059
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: He wasn't ready to say what the right way is,

1060
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, No, I mean it is Chris Richard gonna

1061
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: come in and say you're you're bringing in You're bringing

1062
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: in eight new coaches, and they're gonna have some ideas

1063
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: about the way they like to play football with this personnel.

1064
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure a guy like him can sit down and

1065
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: look at the tape and be like, why why are

1066
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: you playing him a safety? Why aren't you doing this? Yeah?

1067
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: Which having said that, I think the flip side of

1068
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: that coin is it's really easy to see Chris Richard

1069
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: coming in, Uh Richard or Richard Richard. I gotta I

1070
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: think it might be Richard. I don't know, we gotta

1071
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: figure that out. Um, come in and you know the

1072
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: way they like to play their corners in Seattle, and

1073
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,479
Speaker 1: you look at Byron and say, well, yeah, he's gonna

1074
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: move in the corner. We'll see. I don't know. I'm

1075
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: not ready to just assume they're going to do that,

1076
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, I think, yeah, there's gonna

1077
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: be there's gonna be things that change. I mean, they

1078
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: moved Lyle from guard to tackle last year after saying

1079
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: for two years they wouldn't do it. So Tyler Conklin,

1080
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: another guy went off that way Yeah, we went off.

1081
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm keeping with the tight Ends.

1082
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna mention Conklinty crassion he related to Jack.

1083
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 1: I you know what, that's a good question both from Michigan. Yeah,

1084
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: tell you what if he's related to Jack. Didn't bring

1085
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: him on because he's a good player. Job today him

1086
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: and Jordan Aikins from UCF and that one nice one.

1087
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: He was a player they added. Did they added they

1088
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: added another questern Kentucky player. Yeah. He didn't do too bad,

1089
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: just getting thrown in the mix, right, He did a

1090
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: nice job. So yeah, the tight Ends they were hurting

1091
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: because we mentioned God it was down and so was

1092
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: Adam Brennan, the UMass tight Ends. Yeah, we were sitting

1093
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: next to a certain club that was kind of when

1094
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: Brennaman went down. They were kind of when they heard that,

1095
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: they all kind of went a damn. We'll get to

1096
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: them on the draft. Uh. I think we had to

1097
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: touch on the quarterbacks real quick. Yeah, I would like, yeah,

1098
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: did you have any observations today that cut your eye?

1099
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: But the quarterbacks, I thought they threw the ball better overall.

1100
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: Yeah I did, and I and and it includes even

1101
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: though that uh, our Guy Allen, Josh Allen. Josh Allen

1102
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: was throwing into a net and missed the net completely

1103
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: one time. He did, you know, footwork looked good and

1104
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: then the ball left his hand and it went over

1105
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: the top of the net. Was moving all over the place.

1106
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, standing still, that was standing still. I'll say that.

1107
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: I thought about Dane though, because I was down in

1108
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: the stands working on something with the Joneses, and I

1109
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: had time to stop and watch some reps and great,

1110
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: you know it's not it wasn't eleven on eleven. It

1111
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: was just one v ones. But he threw this rope

1112
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: to uh down the corner of the end zone. It

1113
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: was to um gallop, gall gallop. Yeah, and there's the

1114
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: best throw he's hand here literally And it wasn't just me,

1115
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: like everybody just kind of went like whoa, whoa yeah,

1116
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: And I mean I get it. Galloped had a nice

1117
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: job track and it was that right inside the pot,

1118
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: right inside, was right inside against and I mean it

1119
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: went it went right over his shoulder and just it

1120
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: was exactly where it needed to be. It came out

1121
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: of his hand quick, it arked just there. I mean,

1122
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: it was perfect. It was a perfect route. Too by

1123
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: gallop because he was able to get outside leverage the

1124
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: corner and then worked to the the corner pylon. So yeah,

1125
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: I was a perfect route. But then you watch then

1126
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: you watched like five more reps and like he didn't

1127
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: have he didn't do anything awful, but they didn't look

1128
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: like that. You're just like, well, they were working down

1129
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: in the red zone. I know the South team was

1130
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: in the red zone. Did because North didn't do any

1131
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: red zone stuff. Yeah, so that the Texans. The Texans

1132
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: did red zone stuff, and it looked like the quarterbacks

1133
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: did a better job of Mike White from what Kentucky. Yeah,

1134
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: and that and that in that tight fueled area. Though

1135
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: I hate to say this because he's from my hometown

1136
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 1: and he went to my high school. Not super impressed

1137
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: with Tanner Lee. Had a bad interception, had a bad day.

1138
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: I liked what I saw goyesterday from him today not

1139
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: so much. I thought I took a step back a

1140
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: little lost. I agree that the kind of the theme

1141
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: today with quarterbacks was progress. Yeah, but Tanner Lee kind

1142
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: of went into other drags. Nick de Luca made him

1143
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: the linebacker pick. Yeah, Nick de Luca was just dropping

1144
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: in a zone. Yeah. And with Tanner Lee, you see it,

1145
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: the size, the arm. I mean, he there are the

1146
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: traits that you like, but you know, just not enough consistency.

1147
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: And with Alan, yeah, just up and down and hopefully

1148
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: we'll see more progress tomorrow. But he's so fascinating because

1149
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: when it when it looks good, it looks amazing, prettiest

1150
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: convey But I wish I wish missed then. I wish

1151
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: we could just get everybody to agree, like we all

1152
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: we all agree that he's intriguing, Like, let's all just

1153
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: agree to not draft him before like pick yeahwey, yeah,

1154
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: I feel that that should be fair and then do

1155
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Yeah, but like I can't justify drafting

1156
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: that guy in the top five. But I just feel like,

1157
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: you know what, it's it's gonna happen, happen. I trust me.

1158
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: I've been in those rooms and the argument is gonna

1159
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: start and they're gonna and it's a hard I think

1160
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: it's a hard position to evaluates people fell to twenty Yeah,

1161
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: and I missed him like a like wow, struck out

1162
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: four times. I'm the worst quarterback evalue there is. Maybe

1163
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: I don't on record and say that, hey, you don't.

1164
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: Actually you're not the guy actually drafting him, though I glad.

1165
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: I'm not saying i'd be fire radio John Elway draft.

1166
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I don't. I don't quite get it,

1167
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: and everybody that I like you should like this is

1168
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: really that's an interesting point that I mean, I guess

1169
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: I knew it was there, but I hadn't thought about it.

1170
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: But the Broncos pick what five? Oh yeah, that's why

1171
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: they got all those quarterbacks on their there's four picks

1172
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: they pick four? Don't four? Is um? Damn n? Okay,

1173
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: that's right, Browns four, that's five? Right, I'm sorry, you're right. Day,

1174
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: I'll be intrigued because they're gonna spend a week with

1175
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: this cat. Right. Oh. No, same thing with Baker. If

1176
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: they don't want to draft him at five, then that

1177
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: should be a warning to everybody else, like, yeah, maybe

1178
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: let him fall a little way or that to John Elway.

1179
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: Can't evaluate quarterbacks. There's that too. I mean, there's no

1180
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: such thing as a No one's got a perfect batting order.

1181
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: When evaluating quarterbacks batting record, there's average is the word, y'all. Yeah,

1182
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: we go mine? Mine is I am out of the LEA. Sorry,

1183
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: I can't. I watched those quarterbacks and it's almost like

1184
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: a prayer, please let me see something that's that's just like,

1185
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: let me see that ball. You know, that's the league though,

1186
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: Like that's just the NFL are hoping because it's the

1187
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: position that determines the success of your franchise. Yeah, and anybody.

1188
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we have this conversation until we're

1189
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: blue in the face. If the Cowboys had known Dak

1190
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: would be good, they wouldn't have taken him after Charles Tapper.

1191
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: And you know, it's just it's a crapshoot. So don't

1192
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: beat yourself up. No, I just I'm you know, when

1193
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: we talk about cowboy, that's the last position that we

1194
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: study with myself and Jeff Jeff Kavanaugh KT and I fortunately, yeah,

1195
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean the last one. I know, well, i know

1196
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: it's important in the grand scheme of football, but I'm

1197
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: not really worried about it. From a Cowboys perspectives. Looked

1198
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: like they threw the ball better today, didn't and you

1199
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: you would hope, so you know, with the even against

1200
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: air right, getting to know these receivers, uh, just getting

1201
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: a better feel for the coaching and now, okay, in

1202
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: the Thursday, I want to see more progress, especially from

1203
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Uh, because again on tape he's uh, some

1204
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: of these throws look amazing, but too many times and

1205
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: it's I think it's just his rhythm from start to finish.

1206
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: His rhythm is off. We had his body the way

1207
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: it comes out of his hand, and you said yesterday,

1208
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he knows where it's going right, and

1209
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: I think it's because of a rhythm issue with his

1210
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: mechanics in the pocket. So now I'm with you if

1211
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm you know, the Browns or the Jets or one

1212
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: of these teams and the Broncos picking in the top

1213
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: ten and I need a quarterback. I need to see

1214
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: progress in day three from Josh Allen for me to

1215
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: consider it. Tomorrow. You you want to see progress from

1216
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: especially tomorrow. You're off Jones duty. I think, I yes,

1217
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: so's tomorrow. What what do you excited to beep? What

1218
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: do you want to see? I mean, I'll be I

1219
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: want to watch these receivers more. I've got a good

1220
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: look at him, but again, you know, improvement through the week.

1221
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: Take a closer look at Hamilton Gallup, Washington, who I

1222
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: just I feel like I'm just naturally down on him.

1223
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't be get a closer look at him,

1224
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: closer look at Davenport, just kind of try to settle

1225
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: how I feel about him, And then, you know, I

1226
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: keep thinking about how good I thought Kareem Hunt was

1227
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: last year, which you know, maybe that won't happen again.

1228
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: But I would love to find a Day three running

1229
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: back for the Cowboys to draft. So that's okay, we

1230
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: don't have time to talk about it. But what do

1231
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: y'all think about the Arizona State kit Balash? Yeah, kalin Um,

1232
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: he's thinking a lot of opportunities to Arizona State. It's

1233
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: a big dude, No he is. He looks like a linebacker. Yeah.

1234
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: I think he's a better pass catcher than runner. I

1235
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not. I'm just not as for as

1236
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: big as he is, he's not as I think he'll

1237
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: I think he'll test well, but you just don't see

1238
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: it on the field. I don't see it. You don't

1239
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: see on the football field. So I'm not a big

1240
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: fan of his. I've round four to seven. Need to

1241
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: find me a running back, that's what I want. I

1242
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: need to keep finding linebackers. Guys. Well, I'm gonna keep

1243
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: looking at every single linebacker that's out there playing tomorrow.

1244
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure one out. All right, Well, it

1245
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: sounds like though tomorrow night. Though we talked about possibly

1246
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: a Thursday show. We've got a lot of sound like

1247
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: flights and stuff like that. Yeah, maybe we'll have to

1248
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: say so kind of stay tuned the draft show. If

1249
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: if I could put something together, I might be and

1250
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm here to Friday. I might do something, maybe a periscope,

1251
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: one man show. Probably do a one man show show,

1252
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: one man show. Maybe we'll call Nate Newton if he's

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Speaker 1: still here, Nate Doute and I'll go through some stuff,

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Speaker 1: but maybe do a little periscope thirty minutes, kind of

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Speaker 1: tie things up so you guys can get out of

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Speaker 1: here and we can get the equipment loaded. So all right,

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Speaker 1: for my scout and buddies, For David Hellman, for Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: for ken't Garrison executive producer, thank everybody once again for

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Speaker 1: being with us, and we will talk to you from

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl tomorrow.