1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted, a production of My Heart Radio. 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland and this is Fitness Disrupted. I 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: love what I do. I have made my passion my vocation, 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: and part of that is doing what I get to 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: do today. To speak with someone like Dean Carnazzis. I've 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: interviewed him several times, once for this show, several times 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: for other radio shows I had years ago, and I 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: have loved reading all of his books speaking with him 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: because he makes me a better person, and he can 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: and will make you a better person. You have to 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: be open to it. You have to listen to what 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: he says, and you have to believe in yourself. You 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: have to believe that you can and are a Dean 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: Carnazzi is as crazy as that sounds to say out loud. 15 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: Everyone possesses the ability to achieve great things, and when 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: we look at people like Dean who has gone to 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: the extremes, that should show you what you can do, 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: because most of you have no desire to do what 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: Dean has done, or do you have to. But you 20 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: have to put into context what your goals are and say, yes, 21 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: I can do it. If he can do that, you 22 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: can achieve your goals. So who is Dean Carnazis. Some 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: of you know, some of you don't. So those of 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: you who don't be prepared to be inspired. All right, 25 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: let me read his bio to you. For those of 26 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: you who might be new to Dean. Dean Carnazzis is 27 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: a two time New York Times bestselling author and an 28 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: icon in the running world. Men's Health called him one 29 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: of the fittest people on the planet. Time magazine named 30 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: Dean and one of the top one hundred most influential 31 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: people in the world. And internationally recognized endurance athlete, Dean 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: has pushed his body and his mind too incomprehensible limits 33 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more so you really get a sense 34 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: of who he is. For Dean car Nazis, running has 35 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: been his life and his livelihood for decades. His best 36 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: selling memoir Ultra Marathon Man, inspired people around the world 37 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: to take up running or take their hobby to the 38 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: next level. A Runners High, My Life in Motion is 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: his newest book and is a gripping account of Dean's 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: toughest challenge yet, his twelfth attempt at the Western States 41 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: one hundred, as well as a paste meditation on his 42 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: roles as a son, husband, father, and citizen and finally 43 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: an ultra marathon veteran. Dean Carnazzis has run incredible distances 44 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: around the globe in some of the most untamed terrain 45 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: the planet has to offer. He ran fifty marathons in 46 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: fifty consecutive days in each of the fifty United States. 47 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: He ran along the Silk Road in Central Asia, through 48 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: three countries. He ran through broiling Inferno of Death Valley 49 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: and across the vast snow fields of the South Pole. 50 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: Doesn't do it justice because he's done all of those 51 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: things numerous times, and so many other races and events, 52 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: and he's going to tell us what he has in 53 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: the future coming up. He never stops. But this is 54 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: such an important aspect of fitness disrupted to bring you people, 55 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: to inspire you. And that goes for the David Garcias 56 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: of the world, who are and I don't like this term, 57 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: but the real people quote unquote air quotes, real people 58 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: who have done things like lost a hundred sixty pounds 59 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: and kept it off for ten years, and the people 60 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: in the middle and then the people like Dean Carnazis 61 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: who have gone to extreme lengths and just accomplished crazy 62 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: athletic feats endurance. But you need to be inspired by 63 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: that and to put it into context again that you 64 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: can achieve all of those goals that you don't think 65 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: you can. And one of the most incredible things I 66 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: would say it over and over about Dean car Nazis 67 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: is he is one of the nicest and most humble 68 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: people you will ever meet. And I would argue that 69 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: comes with the territory, not everyone, but you push your body, 70 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: you push your limits long and hard enough, there is 71 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: some great changes that happen, not just physically but mentally. 72 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: And you see that and hear that when you meet Dean, 73 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: when you speak with Dean, and when you read his books. 74 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna leave it at that. He has so 75 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: many books. You need to read them. You can start 76 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: with Ultra Marathon Man, or just jump right to a 77 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: Runners High, that is his newest book, is only a 78 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: couple of weeks since publication. Just amazing and I could 79 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: not recommend it more highly. Just finished reading it myself, 80 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: Runners High, My Life in Motion, and it looks back 81 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: at what he's done over thirty years and from a 82 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: different perspective and a unique perspective and one that you 83 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: can learn so much from and we'll make you a 84 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: better person quick break. When we come back, Dean car Nazis, 85 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. And we are back. As I 86 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: said in the intro, second time for Dean on this show. 87 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: I've actually interviewed him several times in addition radio shows 88 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: way back when. Could not be more excited and uh, 89 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: just finished reading his newest book. So that is uh 90 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about, amongst other things. But Dean, 91 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time again. Hey, Tom, 92 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: is great to be back on with you, and thank you. 93 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: You know what, Here's what I have to start with, Dean. 94 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: So I tagged you in a tweet about the show 95 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: I believe, and within like a couple of minutes, you 96 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: had sent me an email saying, hey, you got another book, 97 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I would love to do the 98 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: show again. I just love that like you and I 99 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: are hustling the same way, you know, in so many 100 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: different ways that we've been doing for a really long time. 101 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have people you know, um, but I 102 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: just love that that there's still that connection, right and 103 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: I do the same thing. So a thank you for that, 104 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: and be thank you for the book, and not only 105 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: thank you for the book team, but thank you for 106 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: the hard copy. I love books. I don't know about 107 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: you like I Digital I'm okay with, but I want 108 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: to hold the book and I want to have it. 109 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm such a hard copy guy. I'm glad you said 110 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: that because I thought I was old fashioned. My kids 111 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: always tease me, like, what why are you carrying on 112 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: this book where we're gonna a trip and you've got 113 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: five books? I've got one, kindo like what what are 114 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: you doing? And yeah, I wanted in my library, Dean, 115 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: and I take copious notes like I'm underlying like crazy, 116 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: and I'm writing in the margins. And you know I'm 117 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: old school. I mean, I guess you know, and we 118 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: have to when we send out our books. You know. 119 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: Digital is easier and cheaper obviously, but thank you for that. Again. Yeah, 120 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: Visually it's you know, visually it's uh, it's more arresting 121 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you know, to me holding the 122 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: book feeling it, you know, it's embossed, it's it's got 123 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: a nice feel to it. Yeah, and I don't think 124 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: I'll ever get away from that. Digital is nice every 125 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: now and again and quick with the iPad. But uh yeah, 126 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: and I have all your books behind me, so um 127 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: loving it and I want to start there. Actually, First 128 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: of all, I love your writing and like you have 129 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: descriptive language. You are a writer. Were you a big 130 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: reader as a kid you continue to read today? Like, like, 131 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: who are your go to authors? Yeah? I mean I'm 132 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: a percent Greek? Yeah, so you know, the Greeks are 133 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: famous storytellers. I mean, starting with with Homer and the 134 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: Odyssey and the Iliad, which I was a big fan of. 135 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: So I started reading Greek mythology when I was a 136 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: young kid and just really got into it. It was, 137 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, it was interesting storytelling and uh just the 138 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: word choice and all of that fascinated me. So I've 139 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: been a you know, a pretty voracious reader all my 140 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: life and I think to be a good right people say, well, 141 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: how do you know? How do you how do you 142 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: become a good writer? Well, to me, you become a 143 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: good reader. Can unless you read good writing, you're not 144 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: gonna you know, It's it's hard to come up with 145 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: that on your own. I totally agree. I was a 146 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: total nerd as a kid. I mean I read a 147 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: lot more as a kid. I obviously read today and 148 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: and but it's mostly you know this, this stuff which 149 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: I love, and I love that, you know, we both 150 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: made our passion our vocation. But I totally agree, like 151 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: if you want to become great spell or all that 152 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I don't know about you, but even 153 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: like reading misspellings. And I'm kind of a grammar uh 154 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, fanatic, but yeah, so it doesn't look funny. Yeah, 155 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: I am too, totally. And I've got two. There's two 156 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: typos in my book, and it killed me to see. 157 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: One was a pretty easy one. It was it was, 158 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, I wrote trial instead of trail, right, and 159 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: your I just read right over it. I don't think 160 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: many people catch it, but when I was listening to 161 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: the audio version, it was pretty obvious when he said trial, 162 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, trial and go trial. But was it read 163 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: by a computer dean? No one picked up on that. 164 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: The guy who read it didn't pick up on it. No, 165 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: that's what I thought as well, Like the guy who 166 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: read it, I didn't need to make the change, but 167 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: I read it exactly as it's written. That's a job, 168 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: I guess, right, So um, and you know, I mean write. 169 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Writing to me is is one percent inspiration and perspiration. Yeah, 170 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: you know it's me. You know you you you word 171 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: craft you you know you you distress over every sentence, 172 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: over every word to get it right. And to me, 173 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: a book that flows is it's almost like it's almost 174 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: like hearing a song when you read it. And that's 175 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: what I try to achieve. And I can tell that 176 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: I can still see that. And we have different writing 177 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: styles and that I'm like, uh, more conversational. I'm not 178 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: as good. I'm not. I'm kind of crazy, I would 179 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: say too, I think, but my whole style is more conversational. 180 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: So I love kind of getting lost in your books. 181 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: They make me feel bad about my writing to some degree, 182 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: but I love getting lost that you can see that, 183 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: you can see kind of the the rhythm you have 184 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: to writing, and and that's another thing. So not only 185 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: that the stories great, but the writing, I would argue, um, 186 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: is really good as well. Yeah, And you know, I 187 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: can't tell you how many people have how many messages 188 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: I've got from people that said, you know, I started 189 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: reading your book, I went, you know, I was laying 190 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: in bad I was going to read a chapter two 191 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: and you know Sunrise. I was finished if you're kidding, Like, no, 192 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: I just got so into the story. I couldn't stop 193 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: turning the pages. And to me that you know, something 194 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: is propulsive like that, it's really rewarding because it, you know, 195 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: to read a good book, you're you know, you're you're 196 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: transport is somewhere else out of like everyday reality. You know, 197 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: you're just in a in a different place, and it's 198 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: rejuvenating when you pop back in from you know, from 199 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, and and uh, do you remember since 200 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: you kind of brought it up. I remember vividly my 201 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: first experience where someone came up to me in person 202 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: and had read one of my books. And do you 203 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: remember that first moment the first person who came up 204 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: and was like that was awesome? Or I read your book, 205 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: I you know, recognize you and enjoyed that book. No. 206 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: I just remember one of my friends going, you saying 207 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: to me, I can't remember as a phone call or 208 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: an email, said, you know, your your book is the 209 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: number one New York Times bestseller and that's a good story. 210 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: What Like, I'm scratching my head going what hell? They wait, 211 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: what do you mean? I mean? I thought if I 212 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: sold five books to my buddies, I'd be lucky. And 213 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: I just so remember that so vivid that that conversation 214 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: when he said that to me. Yeah, and it's so rewarding. 215 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: As you said, my books are more prescriptive, so you know, 216 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: how to train for a half marathon, triathlon, whatever. And 217 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: I was at the Rome Marathon years ago with the 218 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: client pacing her through and someone just randomly came up 219 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: and I guess recognized from you know, the book, and 220 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: it was it was eye opening to me because you know, 221 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: it was such pressure. I realized people are gonna actually 222 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: do what I say right as far as training, and 223 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: and that's a that's a you know, it's pressure and 224 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't take it lightly. And I'm sure you as well. 225 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: When you give advice on what to do, especially for 226 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: the longer distance races, you know people are gonna listen. 227 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: And with that comes to a certain amount of just 228 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: stress for me at least. I don't know about you, No, 229 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean your books are excellent and they are prescriptive. 230 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: I mean they you know, people say to me, why 231 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: don't you write a training manual? And I just say, 232 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: go read Tom's books. Like I'm not good at the 233 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: prescriptive part um. You know, I can. I can write 234 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: a book that kind of motivates you to to follow 235 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: Tom's prescription, you know, but if you want to know 236 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: how to do it, uh, you know, read his books. 237 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: But see that's thank you. Uh. The challenge there is 238 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: obviously writing for everybody and what I love about you, 239 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: and I pulled a bunch of quotes to that I'm 240 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: gonna get to It couldn't have enjoined again this book 241 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: just as much as all of your other ones, but 242 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: we are close to the same age. So again, it 243 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: was kind of high opening, and you know, I saw 244 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: my age in your story, especially the opening chapters about 245 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: the race. So yeah, it's just your overview is just unbelievable. 246 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: Before I get to that, though, how do you approach 247 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: writing your books? Are you a last minute of person 248 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: like I am? Or how do you? How do you 249 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: do it? No? I go running dictated into my phone. 250 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: Do you really? Yeah? I mean we have some more 251 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: clearer thoughts when we're running, and I try to capture 252 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: those and then I just put in my earbuds when 253 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: I get home and type up my notes. But I 254 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,359 Speaker 1: do most of my my writing while i'm running. That's amazing. 255 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: That is so cool. And do you start weigh in advance? Yeah, 256 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: well they're just saying, you know, motion stirs emotion. Yeah, 257 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: so I mean I I kind of uh, when I 258 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: get a book deal, I just go on a long 259 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: run and kind of layout the structure how I kind 260 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: of see the whole story playing out, and then uh, 261 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: and then get down to the individual chapters. Okay, um, 262 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: do you though? So I handful of books now, and 263 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: each book deeing, I say, Okay, this time, I'm not 264 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: gonna wait till the last minute, and inevitably I'm doing 265 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: that math where I'm like, okay, i gotta wat town 266 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: in fifty pages. I've got six months. It's x number 267 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: of pages per day. And then I don't do anything 268 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: for months, and then I go, okay, I got five months. 269 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: And it gets down to the wire and my most 270 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: recent like I can like wrote it in such a 271 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: ridiculously short amount of time. I don't want to admit 272 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: to it, but it works for me, you know, And 273 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: that's you know, I think an interesting thing in life 274 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: that like whatever works for you works for you, and 275 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: I think I get off on that immediacy and it's 276 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: kind of leading to something you wrote in your book, 277 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: but most recent book. But you find that with yourself 278 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: or not not so much. You know. It's it's really 279 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: funny you say that, because I've never thought of it 280 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: in those terms, and I'm not I'm not a procrastinator, 281 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: but I do like having a deadline in front of me. 282 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: And with this particular book deal it was with the 283 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: Harper Collins, a new publisher of mine that I don't 284 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: think there was a date when they wanted it. They 285 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: just said, you know, write at this length and have fun. 286 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: So I think I wrote it. Yeah, I mean I 287 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: just kind of taste it myself. And then eventually my 288 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: editor got your recept to me saying, you know, what 289 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: do you think about finishing things out? And this is literally, 290 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, thirteen or fourteen months since we signed it 291 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: ill and that yeah, that the time, it seems pretty 292 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: good to wrap things up. But you're totally right, it was. 293 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: It was. It was always worse not having a you know, 294 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: a heartset day when it needs to be turned in. 295 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: That's incredible. I would never get it done, do you? 296 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: But never? I mean I'm the same way with fitness. 297 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: You probably are as well. When you know when when 298 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: you've got an hour to make it work, like you're 299 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: really intense and focused because you know you've got a 300 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: hard stop and you've got to get in everything you 301 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: want to get in that time frame. So in a 302 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: lot of ways, having a deadline is beneficial. Oh yeah. 303 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: And so to that point, to you know, really realizing 304 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: that you don't have to you know, it was on 305 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: the high school wall my high school Jim waladeed for 306 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: football was work on your weakness till it becomes your strength. 307 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: And you know, it sounds great. And then I realized, 308 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: well no, and you know, more and more we focus 309 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: on these weaknesses when we should maybe just be improving 310 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: our strengths. Right. And the analogy I use that I 311 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: experienced well as iron man. Right. I'm not a good swimmer. 312 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: I never will be. I tried, I put in the time, 313 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: I probably put you know, twenty coaches out of business 314 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: getting frustrated with me. But I just need to run 315 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: and bike faster and that's worked for me. So I 316 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: guess the question to you too, is what's your weakness? 317 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: When it comes to well, just what's your weakness? If 318 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: your competitor, you know, was asked that question, what do 319 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: you think they would say? You know, maybe my approach 320 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: to racing is not as competitive as others. You know, 321 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: I always see competition as as something you know, you 322 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: versus you, and I know some of my other competitors 323 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: are a little more cut throat, and they, you know, 324 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: they watch where other people are in the course, and they, 325 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, they pace off people, where I'm just kind 326 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: of doing my own thing, trying to perform my best. 327 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: But I'm not overly competitive, and I think I brought 328 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: that out in the book. I mean, I think there's 329 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: there's only one race that it really set out to win, 330 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: and that was the bad Water Old Marathon, which is 331 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: this hundred thirty five mile race across Death Valley and 332 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: this in you know, back in two thousands. I think 333 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: there's two thousand and six. My intention the whole time 334 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: is Okay, trained to win this race, like I want 335 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: to win this race. And I won the race, but 336 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: it was a very different experience than most of my 337 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: other races where I was I was just doing my beast, 338 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: and I don't know, it was a good experience, but 339 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: it's not something that I want to repeat too many times. 340 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: I so agree, and you and I that's the similarities there. 341 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: I pulled out that a quote I think that you're 342 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: referring to, and and it really resonated with me, and 343 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: I just well, here it is so verbat him from 344 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: your book. You say, as I scooted around in on 345 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: that narrow path through the mountains, it occurred to me 346 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: that all she cared about was winning the race. She 347 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: didn't see the magnificent this does along the course, or 348 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: any towering pine trees, or never mind the roaring American 349 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: River where the brilliantly vivid sunset. Nor was she particularly 350 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: interested in me at all and wanted to know how 351 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: far Emma Davis was behind her. And then you know, 352 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: you go on to say, ultra running represented to me 353 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: something that had the power to rise above this insanity. 354 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: Ultra marathon was a way of transcending the heaviness of 355 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: everyday living. Turning a one mile journey through the mountains 356 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: into a company titian against other humans seemed to defeat 357 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: the very reason for doing it. We run through the 358 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: wilderness because it changes us. I know a lot of 359 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: people say that, but they don't truly live that. And 360 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: that's why I love speaking with you. I know that 361 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: you do. Wasn't that just a kind of a depressing 362 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: experience where you kind of see one of your heroes 363 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: if you want to call her that, and you have 364 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: that experience. Yeah, and it was really eye opening. It was, 365 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, such a juxtaposition to where my head was at. 366 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's a saying, well, maybe I 367 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: made up to saying, you know, you don't hate losing, 368 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: you will never win, and and trac and just hated losing, 369 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: I think more than she loved winning. And that competitive 370 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: drive I mean put her on the podium most every 371 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: race she was in. I mean, this woman was unstoppable, 372 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: and I see why. And maybe it was not such 373 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: a health you know, it maybe a healthy drive that 374 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: got her on the podium. But you know, I later 375 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: explained in the in the book that she re emerged, 376 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: you know, after after just kind of disappearing, you know, 377 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: after winning her last race and seeing that the competition 378 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: was catching her, she just went away. I mean, she 379 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: was gone. And then you know, to your credit, a 380 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: decade later, she re emerged as a much more humble 381 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: champion who you know, gives back to the sport. And 382 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: I talked about her, you know, at an age station, 383 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: you know, really taking care of me. And here's this 384 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: great champion, you know that it was untouchable, and you know, 385 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: ten years later she's just an AIG station worker like 386 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: everyone else. So I really I came to admire her 387 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: more than ever. Yeah, and I don't love what you 388 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: said about most people don't realize this, And I remember 389 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: struggling with this when I was studying sports psychology. Was 390 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: what you exactly just said that some people don't compete 391 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: to win, they compete to not lose. And that's a 392 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: really tough way to compete. And you know, I think 393 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: you've both we both experienced those people where it's transcendent. Right. 394 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: You have those people that are super competitive and super successful, 395 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: but are they really enjoying it? Right? Are they really 396 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: getting out of it what they need? And I think 397 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: everyone gets what they want, Dean. Is that what it is? 398 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: And hopefully though you're you're around, as you said, enjoying 399 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: it for many years to come though. Yeah, I mean, Tom, 400 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: that's what matters to me is longevity is staying power. 401 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: And you know, I've just seen so many people that 402 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: that you just described that just hate losing and you 403 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: cannot win forever. I mean, you know, father time will 404 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: beat you down and people will start beating you, and 405 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: you know what happens at that point. A lot of 406 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: folks experienced burnout or they just go away. They can't 407 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: handle it. Where you know, my whole mindset is, you know, 408 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: my finish line of the pine box, like I am 409 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: not stopping and tell the day I die kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, 410 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: I had a similar you know experience at New Zealand 411 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: iron Man years ago Dean where you know, running and 412 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: went to you know, all the people in front of 413 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,120 Speaker 1: me were running. There's people all along the run corps 414 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 1: beautiful day. There was a tiny little kid who had 415 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: his hand out stretch for a high five, and no 416 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: one was high fiving. They were just you know, blinders on. Now. 417 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: Granted they were competing and going fast, but I thought, 418 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: I never want to be that guy, and I high 419 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: find the kid as I went by to not high 420 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: five to not smell the roses as you talk about, 421 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, and you can do both. They're not mutually exclusive. 422 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: I think that's what people don't realize. Natasha Bodman was 423 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: someone who I you know, watched win races with smile 424 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: on her face every time, you know, and it's it's tough, 425 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: but they're not mutually exclusive. Yeah, I agree. I mean 426 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: I think if you can love what you're doing, you know, 427 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 1: it's it's the best of everything, especially if you're if 428 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: you're competing at a high level and you're loving it, 429 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: you're the best there can be. And you know, you 430 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: see this with the team sports. I mean, you know, 431 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: you watch basketball teams like the Warriors, you know here 432 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: in my home city of San Francisco, when they were 433 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: on it's just like they were having fun, a lot 434 00:21:54,119 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: of fun and really enjoying the game, and that's magic. Yeah. 435 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: A couple other things I pulled from the book so 436 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: good Beware of the Chair. I thought, you know what 437 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: a great metaphor for life. So explain to people what 438 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: that is an ultra marathoning context. Yeah, so when you 439 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: know an ultra marathon and like the race I was 440 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: describing as a hundred mile foot race and you literally 441 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: run for a hundred miles NonStop, and there are a 442 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: stations set up along the way. It's it's through it's 443 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: on a single track wilderness trail through this year in 444 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: Nevada Mountain Range, and you pop out of a trail, 445 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, after ten or fifteen or twenty miles of 446 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: running and there's a you know, a group of people 447 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: that have a food table set up and a bunch 448 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: of chairs. It's kind of a resting area. But they're saying, 449 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: is be aware of the chair because a lot of 450 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: times it's a one way to send You sit down 451 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: and you never get back up. And so I avoid 452 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: sitting down at any point during an ultra marathon because 453 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: it can be the end of your race very easily. 454 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: I was thinking, ding, like, what a great metaphor for life. 455 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: So many people are stuck in the chair right and right, 456 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: and you're learning through the ultras that you and again 457 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: it's cliche, but it's so true. You just keep moving forward. 458 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: Forward is forward. But people get stuck in that chair 459 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: and it gets comfortable, as you said, you know, and 460 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: it's such an extreme. We learned from the extremes, but 461 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: it just daught on me how applicable to life that 462 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: that beware of the chair and metaphor is Yeah, I 463 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: never thought of in those turns, but you are so right. 464 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: It's just yeah, a different level of pain, but it's 465 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: just pain. Pain is pain. Discomfort is discomfort. And you know, 466 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: as Freud said, we avoid pain and seek pleasure. But 467 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: you know there there's a lot of pleasure on the 468 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: other side. As you talk about frequently a couple of 469 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: the things I want to pull out And this just 470 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: resonated again to no end with me page forty three. 471 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: You say, and that quote, something in me seemed prone 472 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: to such unpreparedness. Perhaps it was my quest to keep 473 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: things novel and unsure in a world that seems so 474 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: thoroughly overregulated and safe. Just throw yourself into a completely 475 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: ad hoc and see what happens. I can so relate 476 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: and I'm sure so many others who do similar things. 477 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: Candy talk about that, just throw it out there. Yeah, 478 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's shocking right to jump into an 479 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: event that you're unprepared for and maybe I'm qualified for. 480 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: But you know, I always have a saying it's in 481 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: the book to you know, to know thyself, you must 482 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: push thyself. So we don't really know about ourselves until 483 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: we take on challenges that are you know, beyond beyond us. 484 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: We buy that more than we can chew. And you know, 485 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: certainly jumping into a hunder kilometer foot race unprepared is 486 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: a slap in the face and you learn a lot 487 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: about yourself because you learn how to deal with adversity. 488 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: You know how to learn how to deal with obstacles 489 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: and overcome seemingly impossible impediments to keep moving forward. Yeah, 490 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: and that's why I want people to read not only 491 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: this book, but all your books. Start at the beginning 492 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 1: and work your way up because you can see Dean's progression. 493 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: And it's just the question I want to get to 494 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: Dean is how do we get there's people that listen. 495 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: I've got everyone who listens to the show, from you know, 496 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: ultra runners to just people starting out their Finnish journey. 497 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: How do we get those people to understand what we're 498 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: talking about because they go, We're never going to do that, 499 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: that's stupid. But it's all about being uncomfortable, right, and 500 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: that self efficacy that comes with challenge. Yeah, it's a 501 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: mindset and you're you're so right. I mean I look 502 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: at my wife and she's a tough woman, but she 503 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: would not willingly do something difficult. You know, something difficult 504 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: is put in front of her, she'll she'll deal with it. 505 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: But she went to throw herself at it like we do. 506 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 1: So I think that you know, your show is certainly 507 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: influencing a lot of people um to, you know, to 508 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: try something new, and I think I hopefully my books 509 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: are doing the same. And I think that you know, 510 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: we we are a force for just what we discussed 511 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: and keep spreading the word. You know, we've seen the 512 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: magic in it and if we can pass that along 513 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: to others. I don't think there's any downside whatsoever, right, 514 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: And no challenge is too small, right, There's nothing. And 515 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: that's what people have to realize that it's whatever makes 516 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, if it's just calling up that person and 517 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: having that conversation, whatever that thing is that you avoid, right, 518 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: it's approach avoidance. And I was someone who avoided a 519 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: lot of different things in my life, and doing these 520 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: races taught me to approach them right. And so I 521 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: think that's what Dean and I are trying to say, 522 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: is figure out what you don't want to do and 523 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: do it, as crazy as that sounds, because really good 524 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: things come out of the other side of that, right. 525 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: So it doesn't have to be running or an ultra 526 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: It just has to be taking on whatever challenge it 527 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: is to that person and getting that confidence on the 528 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: other side. Well, and you know, I always say that 529 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: it failure doesn't stop people, it's the fear of failure. 530 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people are fearful and 531 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: that's what prevents them. But don't be afraid to fail, 532 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: right the start to fail. And one other quote from you, 533 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: it may be killing me, but it was on my terms. 534 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: I was doing what I loved. What is it about 535 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: choosing to suffer being that? You know? I think it 536 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: is because we get to control it, right, that it's 537 00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: not thrown upon us. And there's something crazily cathartic about that. Yeah. Agree, 538 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: I mean I think you know, in Western sciety, I 539 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: think we thought if we had every comfort available to us, 540 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: we'd be happy. And in so many ways we're so comfortable, 541 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: were miserable, and we we've learned that we're never more 542 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: alive than we were struggling and in pain and trying 543 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: to persevere. Right, Um, now that you are thirty years 544 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: into your journey and there will be many or more years. 545 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: There was a great quote. It was a hockey player 546 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 1: who said, you know, when he started in the NHL, 547 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: it was physical and ten percent mental. He was not 548 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: thirty years in, but about fifteen twenty, he said, totally flipped. 549 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: It was a ten percent physical and ninety percent mental. 550 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: Do you find similar approach to your running now? Absolutely? 551 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: And you know of that race the Western States one 552 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: in Durance to Front. I mean there's a saying that 553 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: you you run the first fifty miles with your legs 554 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: and the next fifty miles with your mind, and I 555 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: completely believe that. Awesome. What's coming up next to any events? 556 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm heading to Greece in June to run ten marathons 557 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: in ten days to celebrate the Greek by centennial of 558 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: Greek Independence. And then in August I'm gonna run across Australia. 559 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: So I'm heading down Under for a long run across 560 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: the out of back. Yeah. What's the distance for that? 561 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: I don't even know. It's gonna be a sixteen here kilometers. Yeah. Wow, 562 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: that's awesome. It's great to get back to. Like when 563 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: we spoke last, there was no traveling really, so you 564 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: must be very excited to get back to that. The 565 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: world is opening up and I cannot wait. I'm sure 566 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: a lot of listeners cannot wait either, Udin, I can't 567 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: thank you enough. A Runners High, the newest book, My 568 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: Life in Motion by Dean Carnazzis, get out there by 569 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: it again. I don't care, especially if you're not a runner. 570 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: Runners already kind of understand what's going on. This is 571 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: for everybody, but those of you who are just starting 572 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: out for on the couch and can't figure out how 573 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: to make change. A Runners High by Dean Carnazzis will 574 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: be that thing that gets you going and motivated. Dean, 575 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,239 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Have an awesome weekend, and I 576 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: hope to speak with you soon. Keep it out that 577 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: you did, and we will be right back after this 578 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: short break, and we are back one final time, A 579 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: Runner's High, My Life in Motion by Dean car Nazis. 580 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: Get several copies. Get one for yourself, get one for 581 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: a friend, get one for a family member. This is 582 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: what life is about, people being inspired by others, surrounding 583 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: yourself with people who are going to make you a 584 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: better person, listening to podcasts and filling your head with 585 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: things that they are going to make you a better person. 586 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: And there's never been a more important time to do that. 587 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: We're bombarded with negativity and what we consume, not just 588 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: in our mouths. What we read, what we take in 589 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: every day is so important. And that's why I love 590 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: that my job and I choose this is to read 591 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: things like A Runners High by Dean Carnazis. I'm not 592 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: wasting my time on negativity. We all have the same 593 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: number of hours in the day, and I'm not going 594 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: to waste it on other people or other negative aspects 595 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: of life. There's so much of that out there. Let 596 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: it go. Do something good for yourself and for others, 597 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: and read A Runners High by Dean Carnazis. And then 598 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: I want you to go back and start with Ultra 599 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: marathon Man and work your way through his other books. 600 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: You do not have to be a runner. You do 601 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: not have to be athletic or a fitness person. And 602 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: again I would argue that the people who will get 603 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: so much out of it are those who aren't, because 604 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: this is about life and all those cliches about what 605 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: you learn from doing those races. So here's the great news. 606 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: You don't have to run a hundred miles to learn 607 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: the lessons that come from that. I want to thank 608 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: you in carnazzi Is for taking the time again, I 609 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: want to thank you for listening. 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