1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court has just dropped the travel band case 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: from its arguments schedule and told the administration Band's challengers 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: to file briefs discussing the effect of a revised policy 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: issued yesterday. Joining us is Greg store Bloomberg, Supreme Court 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: reporter and our co host, Greg tell us what the 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: Court decided to do here, Hey, June. Yeah, this is 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: just a one paragraph order, and it asked the parties 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: to file brief saying whether the current case before the 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: justices have any ongoing importance, whether it's legally moot um. 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: And they dropped the argument that was scheduled to go 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: forward on October tenth. They left open the possibility they 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: might add it back in there later, but they certainly 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: foreshadowed to strong possibility they will instead say, we're just 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: gonna dismiss the entire case. So what is it that 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: the what what do we kinnect? What can we expect 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: the government to urge them to do on this? It's 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: a really good question, Michael Um. The government so far 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: hasn't addressed this um. This moment that we all sort 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: of knew was coming, that the temporary policy expired yesterday 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: on Sunday, and it was always kind of clear that 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: there would be a question what would happen when the 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: President issues something to replace the temporary policy, and the 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: Justice Department always sort of ducked that question. It is 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: not entirely clear from the surface whether they would like 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: this argument to go forward, kind of roll the dice 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: that they'll look at a big win, or instead to 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: take the partial victory they've gotten so far in this case, Um, 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: and and let this litigation instead go forward at the 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: district court level. So Greg, just technically they've dropped the 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: argument from the schedule, but the case is still alive there. 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: That's right, the case is still here. So they removed 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: it from their argument schedule. And and the last line 33 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: said the cases are removed from the oral argument calendar 34 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: pending further order of the court. So they left themselves 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: open the possibility if they'd aside, this really is a 36 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: case we should decide now. They left to open the 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: possibility that after they've had more time to digest this 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: new policy and what it might mean, that they add 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: it back onto the argument schedule at a later point. So, Greg, 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: do you I mean is it likely to go back 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: to the district court? Now? It seems like, there's a 42 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: good chance either that the Supreme Court will just kick 43 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: it back to the lower courts and say, you guys, 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: take the first crack at this revised policy. Usually the 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: Supreme Court doesn't want to be the first one to 46 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: decide something, especially not something this important. Uh. The other 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: possibility is they could basically just dismiss the entire case 48 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: case saying it no longer has any ongoing importance UH, 49 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: and leave it to the groups that are challenging this 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: policy to file new lawsuits. Either way, the practical effect 51 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: would be, UH, that we're back fighting in places like 52 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: the district court in in Hawaii and the District Court 53 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: in Maryland. So, Greg, is this what the what the 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: jumping illustration? The Justice Department had asked for in their 55 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: in their brief seat the other day or last they 56 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: sent a letter to the court, right right, This is 57 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: more than they asked for in the sense that they 58 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: asked the court to set out a briefing schedule and 59 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: and tell everybody to to file brief with us UH 60 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: during the first week of October. Uh. This bit about 61 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: removing it from the argument calendar. That wasn't something that 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: the administration specifically requested the Court decided to do that 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: on its own, well, procedurally speaking, Greg, you know, it's 64 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: a little odd when the Supreme Court has a case 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: that's about you know, that is about one order, the 66 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: order is no longer in effect and a new order 67 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: takes place, and it's sort of an unusual posture for 68 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: them to be in that position. But is there any 69 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: way that they could decide, you know what, we have 70 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: this new order, we're going to keep it anyway, Sure 71 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: they could and um it Actually it is a very 72 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: unusual case. Certainly I agree with that. But by as 73 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: I've been talking to people around town, uh, you know, 74 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: folks have been worked in this Listener General's office. They 75 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: have sort of made the point that there are actually 76 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: a lot of cases where the Supreme Court agrees to 77 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: take a case involving the government and then the government 78 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: policy changes a little bit over the course of it, 79 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: and so the court hangs onto it and they just 80 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: sort of deal with the small changes in the policy 81 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: that happened along the way. Here. However, this is a 82 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: really big change. Not only does it have new countries 83 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: as a part of this travel band, it's kind a 84 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: new justification that may actually end up being stronger for 85 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: the administration. They you know they the President acted after 86 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: getting a recommendation from the Department of Homeland Security saying 87 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: these countries aren't providing enough assurance, uh, that that the 88 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: people who are trying to come into the US are 89 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: who they say they are. Uh. And so for the 90 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: court to take up that question evaluate that without any 91 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: lower court looking at it, that would be a pretty 92 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: remarkable thing. Well, thanks so much, Greg, I think you're 93 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: gonna be busy this term. That's Greg Store, Bloomberg, Supreme 94 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: Court reporter and co host of Bloomberg Law