1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crime Roundup, y'all. I am so excited. 2 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: I am sitting in a field in the middle of 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: Tennessee and I am joined by the lovely, talented, beautiful, 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: hilarious Nancy Grace. 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Good morning. 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 3: I'm totally jealous because if you're in the middle of 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: a field a Tennessee, that means you're on a crime scene. 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: Listen, I am so excited. The eight year old me 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: can hardly stand it because today I'm going to go 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: to the ambush site of Sheriff Buford Pusser and his 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: wife Pauline, and it's just going to be a tremendous 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: event for me. It's kind of a full circle moment. 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 3: Well, well, you know what, Wait a minute, let's say 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: full circle. Does that mean you're at the end of Wait, 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: a circle's never ending? Because I need you back on 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 3: the show big time. I got to figure everything out 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 3: about Coburg, and I've got to figure everything out about Diddy. 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 3: Can we start with Coburger because he hasn't been getting 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: enough attention lately, Because Diddy and his sex trafficking is 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: taken over the world. Excuse me, correction, itty Bitty Diddy. 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: He's not just a Tootsie roll. He's toos roll Midge. 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: When I saw your clip with you undoing the TUTSI 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: roll rapper, I don't know. I don't know that I've 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: laughed that hard with you in about twenty years. That 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: was show classic, show classic. 26 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: My daughter saw it too, and I'm sure you didn't 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 3: know what it meant, right, She said, no, Mamma, I 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: didn't know anything. I know nothing. 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: Had a girl. 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: Today's their first day out of school and she's in 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 3: the kitchen and watching her making some kind of a concoction. 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: What is that, honey? It's coffee with a shot of 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,639 Speaker 3: his key, now a shot of what? Coffee and milk? Now, 34 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: John David is perfectly happy for me to make whatever, 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: any thing for breakfast. It could be Krispy kremes. It 36 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: could be my classic egg McMuffin that I make ahead 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: of time. It could be these little chocolate danishes. Hey, Lucy, 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: remember when I was on that smoothie Yeah, I was 39 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: in a smoothie kick with John David. I was making 40 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: him green smoothies out of spinach. And finally it had 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: been going for like eight or nine months, he said, Mom, 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: could I have something the green. 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 4: Smoothie and so yeah, anyway, now we're on the egg 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 4: McMuffin where I put har Vardy keys and eggs on an. 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 3: English muffin with a little bit of Crosier salt. So 46 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 3: he likes that right now. And now I guess I 47 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: can move on to coburger. But I'm you can be 48 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: in your field in Tennessee. I'm happy being here with 49 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: the twins, can we? So what do we need to 50 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: talk about first? Coburger? Do we need to go that 51 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: verdict before we move on to Diddy? 52 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: Yes? 53 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: Oh goodness, Okay, hey, one thing about Diddy. Everybody is 54 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: still saying, which they beat into me at the Battery 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 3: Women's Center, not to ever say, even though I thought 56 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: it a couple of times, why don't you just leave? 57 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: Just leave? It's not like that at all, And unless 58 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: you've really dealt with it, it's hard to explain. But 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 3: I've seen women, literally the one I told you about 60 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: that came into a body cast from the hip down. 61 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: They with the abuser trying to get me to drop charges. 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: I didn't, but they I don't know what it is. 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: They can't leave. Many times it's because the husband or 64 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: the partner is making all the money they have children. 65 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: People put up with a lot of crap to stay 66 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: with their children, right and thinking, well, we need to 67 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: keep quote the family together until they what get out 68 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: of high school, get out of preschool, get out of whatever, 69 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: you know, and so they try to hold it together 70 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: or in cash eventurists position. I think it was because 71 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: she would lose her whole dream, her dream, her life, 72 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: dream of being a recording artist. Like I remember I 73 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: told you about when the judge and you know him, 74 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: but case she'll remain nameless. I actually think he's dead now. 75 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: But that said, I never said a word. I never 76 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: breathed a word when a judge plant went on me 77 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 3: right in the mouth. I've never clinched my teeth so 78 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: tightly in my whole life. But I never said a 79 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: word because I didn't want it to affect what other 80 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: judges might perceive of me. I might get taken out 81 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: of the trial rotation. I didn't know what that meant 82 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 3: for the victims I had been representing. Would the cases 83 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: be handed off to people that really didn't care, that 84 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: would just plead it down to you know, we had 85 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: there are a lot of prosecutors that don't want to 86 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: go to trial. They're afrared they're going to lose. Just 87 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: you know what, just go try the case. Guns are 88 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 3: blazon and so they plead them down cheap or they 89 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 3: don't want to be bothered preparing for a trial. It 90 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: pains me to say that, but yes, there are those prosecutors, 91 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: and I didn't want those cases to land in the 92 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 3: hands of a you know, Lukewarren prosecutor, so I just 93 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 3: kept going. Now, of course one kiss is not on 94 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: par with what Cassie Vanteria lived through, but I can 95 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 3: say that she's young. She's nineteen when she meets Combs, 96 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: and she wants to be recording artists, and she's a 97 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: very talented, very beautiful, very charismatic, and she really thought 98 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: Sean Combs could ruin her career. And guess what he could, 99 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: so she put up with it. 100 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the other reality. 101 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: If you look perfect, if you do exactly what he 102 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: says to do, and he still beats you, what is 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: he going to do if you leave him, if you 104 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 2: embarrass him, if you go against him. That's what he's 105 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: also telling you every day. Where are you going that 106 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: he can't reach you? He owns the apartment, he has 107 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: the ever taking you places. You're gonna run to your mom. 108 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: Your mom's now not safe. I mean, you're caught in 109 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: this horrible trap. 110 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 3: When I found out he started cassif In Terra's mother 111 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: her mother, and you know, they didn't have two Nichols 112 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: to rub together. It reminds me of mother and daddy 113 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 3: trying to scrape together our tuition to go to Mercery 114 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 3: University between her working and yes, she was the CFO 115 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: of a canning lanty and she never did, you know, 116 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: want to talk about this, but they made the cans 117 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: for bud was her or was it perhaps? And you 118 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: know several other soft drinks. But you know, we had 119 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: to quit going to the corner store because they started 120 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: selling beer. We could not go in the corner store 121 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: again anyway. So that was that's the family secret. That 122 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: they also made eb ur Kans. I think you was. 123 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: She had the longest hours and it was about a 124 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: forty minute drive from home. My dad was working Norfolk Southern. 125 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: They worked so hard to put us through, all three 126 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: of us through Mercy University. And my brother was on 127 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: the extended land, so he and my sister, he's about 128 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: four years older than her, graduated at the same tide, 129 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: and somehow he was the one that ended up with 130 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: a fancy house on a golf course. But anyway, that happened. 131 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: But I'm thinking about how Cassie's mother and father had 132 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: to go take out a home equity loan on their 133 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 3: home to get twenty thousand dollars to pay Sean Combs 134 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: when he had beaten Cassie Ventura loose. He are you listening. 135 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: What? 136 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: You don't ever want to end up with a guy 137 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: who holds something over you. I don't care what it is, 138 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: your career, your job, the payment on your car. No, 139 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: you can do all that on your own. You do 140 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: not need a man to do any of that for you. 141 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: She already knows this, and she's been hearing this. It's 142 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: sick that shit could walk. But they had to put 143 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: a get a home equity loan because Sean Colmes had 144 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: explicit videos of her without her clothes on and was 145 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: threatening to release one I think on Christmas and one 146 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: of the day after Christmas or some evil plan like that, 147 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: and he had beaten her. Now he was claiming he 148 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: wanted to be recouped for her training whatever, and they 149 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: wired to him through his accountant. That's where the Rico 150 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: case is going to be proven, right there, using your 151 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: company employees to carry out a crime. And he sent 152 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: the money back. But it doesn't matter. Once you have 153 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: extorted someone, once you have blackmailed someone and you took 154 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 3: the money, it doesn't matter if you cash a check 155 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: or throw it out the window. The deed is done. 156 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 3: It's over. You can't take it back. He extorted money 157 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: from Cassie Ventira's mother, who was totally broke. And don't 158 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 3: you know, Cheryl, They thought, oh, she she got the 159 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: lottery tickets, she got the golden ring by hooking up, 160 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: meeting up with Sean Combs. He's gonna be her future. 161 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: And you know what a horrible disappointment and embarrassment it 162 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: must have been for Cassie Interior to tell her mother. 163 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 3: This is really what's happening. 164 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,239 Speaker 2: What they're showing is every single person in his sphere 165 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: is telling you he is violent, he's manipulative, he is cunning. 166 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: He's somebody that's going to be revengeful. That's a dangerous person. 167 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: And so you're talking about not just Cassie and her mama, 168 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: You're talking about other rappers. You're talking about people close 169 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,119 Speaker 2: to him, other employees that have seen this behavior. 170 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: Well, the wit culminated with Kid Cuddy on the stand, 171 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 3: who I'd just say he's very I've always liked Cuddy. 172 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: He's very, very talented. He's also charismatic, but when he's 173 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: not on camera, he seems kind of humble acting. I 174 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: don't know if that's real or not. That's just how 175 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: he struck me a couple of times. And he's often 176 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: talked about growing up, having depression and things he went 177 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: through growing up. He did not have an easy youth, 178 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: to put it mildly, to have his car molotogged. Now, 179 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember. Right before I left 180 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 3: the DA's office to start Court TV. To start at 181 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: Court TV, I was working on DPP, a death penalty 182 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: case where two gangs sets. What is that? That's the 183 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: women that date the men in the gang were warring 184 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: over some clothes, yes, clotts, clothes, and they got the 185 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 3: gang members involved, and some male gang members made molotavs 186 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: and went to the apartment. It was a two story 187 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 3: apartment of the set queen all right, and the inside 188 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: the apartment on the second floor were two infant I 189 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: think they were both girls, infant girls. I think they 190 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 3: were twins. Still in like to lay out there were 191 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 3: that tiny newborns. They make the molotaph and before they 192 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: throw it in the window, they actually screamed out, let's 193 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,359 Speaker 3: fry them babies, and they did. The children. The babies 194 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: did not die of smoke inhalation. They burned to death, 195 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: which I got to tell you is I think the 196 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 3: worst way to die anyway. That's when I was trying well. 197 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: I did create a specialty in the study of arson 198 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: and prosecuting arsens, which are very very technical different You 199 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: have to first show that a crime even occurred, that 200 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: this fire was signed an accident. Then even though all 201 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: the evidence is burned and gone, you have to prove 202 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: who did it. So it was a real challenge for 203 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: me and I liked that. But I learned then a 204 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: lot about molotab With my other arsens had been other 205 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 3: accelerants that other types of arsons. They're extremely unpredictable. If 206 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 3: anything goes wrong, you end up burning other people that 207 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 3: you may not have intended to burn, and the victim 208 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: will burn immediately. But a Malovatov was thrown onto the 209 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 3: car of kid Cuddy, who was dating Cassie Ventura and 210 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: a month before the car bomb, Sean comes the scent 211 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: is going to blow up Cuddy's car, and then a 212 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 3: month later, bam, the car blew up with a Molotov. 213 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 3: So it's just like Scott Peterson. I don't know what 214 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: if it's at Gearagoes connection, but Scott Peterson says it says, 215 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 3: my first Christmas without my wife, she's dead. And two 216 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: weeks later, bam, it was his first Christmas without his wife. 217 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: She was deck because he killed her. Or like j 218 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 3: Simpson and his clairvoyant dream that he killed Nicole Brown, 219 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 3: yeah he did. So here we've got Shawn Holmes having 220 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 3: a clairvoyant moment, like three weeks before that he was 221 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 3: gonna blow up kick cut, his car is gonna blow up, 222 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: and then it did. 223 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: And especially that unique of a thing. 224 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: Not somebody's gonna jump you, somebody's gonna you know, steal 225 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: your money, but your car is gonna blow up. 226 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: And you know he. 227 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: Also broke into his house. So again, you want to 228 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 2: talk about something that's gonna throw you off a little bit. 229 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: You get a phone call that, hey, Shawn Holmes is 230 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 2: inside your house, like you're just waiting there, on me. 231 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: He broke in to confront Cuddy and he went in there, 232 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 3: and I was doing a hit last night with Harvey Levin. 233 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: We're extremely different kind of people, but I really like Levin. 234 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: You know, he started, he founded and runs TMZ, the 235 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: thirty Miles Zone, which I love TMZ. But he's also 236 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: a lawyer. He did not just fall off the turnip truck. 237 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: So he's doing he's got a to b show. I 238 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: something the trial of I don't even know the name 239 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: of it, maybe the Trial of Diddy. But Takapina was 240 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: on there, who for a moment flirted with the idea 241 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: of representing Comes. I had a couple other people who 242 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: were all so great. But anyway, somebody said, I think 243 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: it was Levin that Comes. I already knew. Comes went 244 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: in there and was just sitting there like the perf 245 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: he is. Why do you go to somebody's house and 246 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: just sit there. It was at Christmas time, and he 247 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: penned up a bunch of Chanel bags that were under 248 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: the Christmas tree, apparently for Cassie. From Cudding to Cassie. 249 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: I guess this is what I heard last night, to 250 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 3: see what Cuddy was giving her for Christmas and was 251 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: just sitting there waiting. After that, the car bomb happened. 252 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: Then we heard about him taking off the shoot shug night. 253 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: I mean, it just goes on. This guy is such 254 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: a thug, and people keep saying, Oh, he may be jellous, 255 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: he may be brutaling to be a ship. But has 256 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: the state proven in their case? Yes, yes, may have. 257 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 3: Everybody keeps talking about how difficult it is to prove 258 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: a Rico case. It's not rico. Racketeering in a criminal 259 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: organization is just think of the Sopranos. I was living 260 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: all alone up in New York at that time, and 261 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: I would always make a big pot of collar greens 262 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: on Sunday night, and nobody would eat collar greens in 263 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: New York, you know where. I would have to buy 264 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 3: my collar greens at the pet store because I found 265 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: out that they feed them to iguanas. Yes, so I 266 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: get me a big back a car greens at a 267 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: pet store and cook them and watched the price. I 268 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: was so lonely up there, and so that's something I'll 269 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: look forward to, because you know, I've never really watched TV, 270 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: believe it or not, but I would watch that anyway. 271 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: Tony Soprano was the head of the snake, the snake 272 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: being the criminal enterprise. And it's a loose confederation, right. 273 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 3: It's not like they're getting a payroll check with the 274 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: taxes deduction. That's that's not happening. It's like Uncle Paul 275 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: did the bucks, and this one ran a ship club, 276 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: and that one wandered money, and this one sold shrugs, 277 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: and that one stole TVs off the back of trucks, 278 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: and that one killed so and so lukely confederated. Half 279 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: of them didn't know what the other one was doing, 280 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: and they all answered to Soprano. Same thing here. That's 281 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: what it is. The accountant got the money, extorted the 282 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 3: money from Cassie Inturvor's mom, and sent an email instructions 283 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 3: about how to wire the extorted floods idiot, okay. And 284 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: then you have another bodyguard that physically chased down Cassivcenturro. 285 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 3: It physically dragged her back to combs. Then you've got 286 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: the assistant that got immunity to testify about having to 287 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 3: go buy ecstasy and other drugs for seawn comes. And 288 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: then you got another one to do this, and another 289 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 3: one did that, and another one set up the Freaknent 290 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: and the freak Offs and another woman got the drugs 291 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: under a pseudonym Frank Blat. I mean, all these people 292 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 3: another one arranged for the sex workers, come across state lines. 293 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: It's just, you know, all these people together are propping it. 294 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: Did it? That's what a criminal enterprise is. Bam, there 295 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: you go, done, proven. 296 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: And don't you think somebody has talked, because you and 297 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: I have said over and over, the first one to 298 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: talk gets the deal. I think somebody's coming up that 299 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: they're not counting on. 300 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm wondering if it's Christina Korum, his right hand woman. 301 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: He was his Elaine Maxwell to Epstein. Quorum was to Combs, 302 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 3: So I'm wondering, yeah, if they could turn her. But 303 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: the two assistants have testified, and both of them were 304 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: going to take the fifth, but the judge granted them 305 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: immunity so they could testify to that limited you know 306 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: fact scenario. I mean, if you find out whether they 307 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: robbed a bank or killed somebody, they can be prosecuted, 308 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 3: but for what they testify to, they cannot be prosecuted. 309 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 5: How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed 310 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 5: twenty times? Including in the bat allegedly die of suicide. Yes, 311 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 5: that was the medical examiner's official ruling after a closed meeting. 312 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 5: He first named it a homicide. Why what happened to 313 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 5: Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice. For an 314 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 5: in depth look at the facts, see what Happened to Ellen? 315 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: On Amazon? 316 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 5: All proceeds to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. 317 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: So, Nathy, what in the world are your faults? 318 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: So Coburger, Well, okay, they're climbing a quote alternative purple. 319 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 3: That's what they're calling the quote as to some other 320 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 3: dude did it defense? Sod sod d some O the 321 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 3: dude did it. Now here's the thing about some of 322 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: the duw did it defense? And I countered this in 323 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: a theorial rape case where the defense there was a 324 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 3: great defense. Attorney two tried to do something in admissibles. 325 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: The judge wouldn't want him, but he wanted to bring 326 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: in statistics about how many people have been raped in 327 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 3: that neighborhood, in that area, and that they couldn't all 328 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: be this perp, and therefore there was another rapist out there, 329 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: and therefore there was an alternative purp. Okay, some of 330 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: the do do it. But you can't as a defense 331 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: blame a phantom. You can't bring his statistics like that 332 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: because they, you know, don't bear directly on the case. 333 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 3: In Steve, you can't just claim, Hey, for instance, you 334 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: know there was that other home invader that happened a 335 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 3: few months before the murders where there were I think 336 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: it was three girls and a double two story structure 337 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: not far away that came in dressed in black, wearing 338 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 3: a mask and scared them, and the victim punched him 339 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 3: in the stomach, kicked him in the stomach and he 340 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 3: ran remember, and it sounded just like Coburger. They co 341 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 3: claim that's the killer, but it's a phantom. There's nobody 342 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 3: to connect to that. It may be enough that actually 343 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 3: for the judge to allow it, but for all I know, 344 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 3: that could have been Coburger too, So they may not 345 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: want to pick that one because if it were me, 346 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 3: I decided bring that on in because I think that 347 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: was your guy. I'll get it a shivelar and transaction 348 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 3: on there. 349 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 5: Ruria. 350 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: So anyway, let's just let's say some other dude did it. Okay, 351 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: so mister Eggs did it. How lucky is mister eggs 352 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: that Brian Koburger comes along driving the same car, driving 353 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: around the same time, has bushy eyebrows, his cell phone 354 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: ping is hidden, he decides randomly, for no reason, to 355 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: put his phone on airplane mode. 356 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: He has no alibi. 357 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: I mean, what a lucky sob that guy is the DNA. 358 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: It's the Clinton and the DNA. 359 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: I mean, wow, how. 360 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 6: Did the some are the dude somehow commit the crime 361 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 6: with a knife that was handled by Brian Coburger combined 362 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 6: with everything else you just said. 363 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 3: But here's the most recent wrinkle. Dateline Great show got 364 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 3: a hold of some documents from inside the investigation, and 365 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: it was a highly viewed program, and they showed a 366 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 3: lot of stuff nobody's ever seen before, including some footage 367 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 3: that looks like Coburger's car, and they pieced together a 368 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 3: story that was very, very convincing. Now the defense is 369 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 3: arguing that because of that, they need a trial delay, right, 370 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 3: and the families the victims are going berserk? Do you 371 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: blame them? 372 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: So? 373 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 3: I don't know if the judge's going to grant it 374 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 3: or not because of the Dateline special, but I know 375 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: right now they're on a rampage because they're trying to 376 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 3: find out who leaked. Somebody within either the defense or 377 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 3: the state leaked that information. For all I know, it 378 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: could be anybody from a lead attorney to a lead investigator, 379 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: to somebody that was making copies, to somebody that took 380 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: the stuff to the mailbox to send it as discovery. 381 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: It could be anybody. It could be somebody at Kinkos 382 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: for all I know. But somebody within the investigation, either 383 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 3: primarily or tangentially connected to the investigation, has leaked to Dateline, 384 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: and Dateline intimated they had a lot more stuff. Well, 385 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 3: that's not good for the case. It's great for Dateline, 386 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: but I don't know that a single show is going 387 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 3: to be enough to cause another delay when it's already 388 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 3: been over three years. It'll be just one more question 389 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: for the jury I'm boid to hire. Did you see 390 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: the Dateline piece? So I don't know how that's going 391 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: to shake out, but right now there's grounds for another delay. 392 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know how you feel about 393 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: this part, but for me, words matter, and when something 394 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: is added and it almost is intentional to make something worse, 395 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: that's not necessary. First of all, this is a tragedy 396 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: it is something that town will never recover from, that 397 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: college will ever be associated with this just tragic event. 398 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 2: But when they start talking about Ethan specifically and his 399 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 2: legs being carved. 400 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 3: But wait, that wasn't true, wasn't No, There's. 401 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: No way that's true, because again that brings up this 402 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: image carving. You're either talking about a word or you're 403 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 2: talking about some little systematic you know, over and over 404 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: and over. I have no doubt he was stabbed in 405 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 2: the legs. I mean he was asleep, he was face down. 406 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: I have no doubt that happened. But the word carved 407 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: is one of those things that somebody whoever originally said 408 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: that should be taken a task. 409 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: I agree. You know you mentioned something about the school 410 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: will never get out from under that shadow. I mean 411 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 3: it will go on by Tom. For instance, FSU people 412 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: still talk about the cay Omega Creek murders because of 413 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: Ted Bundy. It comes up all the time, and don't 414 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: you know, just the admissions team in FSU just shudders 415 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: every time. But he talks about that. But you know, 416 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 3: it sticks to a skill like as you know, I 417 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: went to Mercy University for undergrad and law school, but 418 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 3: then I also went to NYU to get another degree 419 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 3: in constitutional criminal law, and at the time there was 420 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: a big wave of suicides at NYU and NYU for 421 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 3: whatever reason, we'll never get away from that. 422 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: There. 423 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: People still talk about the number of suicides at NYU. 424 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: So what something like that happens. There's a stigma attached 425 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 3: to it. I mean, I don't know. Just as recently 426 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 3: as twenty twenty four, two students died NYU two days apart, 427 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 3: allegedly by suicide, and there's apparently some I don't know, 428 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 3: and not a precipice but an open a trim at NYU, 429 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: and people have jumped from it. People just continue talking 430 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 3: about it. It's something I think in the library. 431 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's horrifying. 432 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: And you know you've got again words matter, facts matter. 433 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: You've got four families that are sitting there blasted by 434 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: close this statement that comes from whoever it comes from. 435 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I gotta do. You just ruined everything from me. 436 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: Hey, listen, I got to end on something happeny. Now 437 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: that it's summertime, you and the children have got to 438 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: come and see the new Training Center for the Wildlife 439 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: CSI Academy at Lake Tobias Wildlife Park. We are going 440 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: to be able to do law enforcement training inside a zoo. 441 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 2: And let me tell you something, Nancy, They've got a 442 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 2: brand new baby giraffe you can bottle feed. 443 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 3: Okay, where is this in Pennsylvania. 444 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: Lake Tobias Wildlife Park? 445 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness, with the baby giraffe. 446 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: They have partnered with us. Oh, you won't believe what 447 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 2: all they have. It is the most amazing, beautiful place 448 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 2: you've ever seen. And Jenna, who helped get all this 449 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: started and get us all squared away to do these trainings. 450 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 2: She grew up inside the zoo. Her family's home is 451 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: literally inside a zoo. 452 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: Can you believe that? What a great childhood. 453 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 454 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: I can't wait to get y'all up there. But listen, 455 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 2: I gotta go. I got an ambush site to look at. 456 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 2: But I love you and I'll talk to you soon, okay. 457 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 3: By dear