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Speaker 1: a dump on him for being a bad player. I

427
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Speaker 1: never thought he was that good once he kind of

428
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Speaker 1: established that he can't really throw in the pocket. But

429
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: we all agreed like, hey, he's not any good. Then

430
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: the owner's like, hey he's not any good. And people

431
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: are like, oh, what an asshole? How can you believe that?

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Speaker 1: Even though I believe it, but you can't say that.

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Speaker 1: Well I can say it, but you can't say it.

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Speaker 1: That's what it feels like. A lot of this is,

435
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Speaker 1: which is just exhausting. I can't do these mental gymnastics

436
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Speaker 1: and listen, I get Russell Wilson or Sierra whoever put

437
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: that tweet out standing up for himself because everyone's been

438
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Speaker 1: crapping on him for a while. Hell, his own teammates

439
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: at Seattle they don't like him. Like that's again, this

440
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Speaker 1: isn't It'd be one thing if like, can you believe

441
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: he took a shot at Cam Hayward? Can you believe

442
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: that that guy said something about Max Crosby. He's like, well,

443
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: that's not a left field. This guy said something about

444
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: something bad about Justin Herbert or you know, you just

445
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: picked the good Roquan Smith. You don't hear those things

446
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: yet everyone now, for a decade plus, his own teammates

447
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: didn't like him. We didn't create that story. They literally did.

448
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: John Schneider, Pete Carroll pretty much over him. Sean Payton

449
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: immediately over him. The Pittsburgh Steelers couldn't get rid of

450
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: him fast enough. And it's like Sean Payton's the bad

451
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: guy now, people like middle cof you're just sticking up.

452
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Speaker 1: I don't never had one interaction with Sean Payton. I

453
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Speaker 1: don't know one guy on his staff. I have no

454
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Speaker 1: connection to Sean Payton. I don't care at all. I'm out.

455
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Speaker 1: But I also think this story is just insane. Other

456
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: than that, I just the doubleheader thing, I promise you.

457
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Speaker 1: I saw Florio post about it, that the numbers are up,

458
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just not gonna go away. I'm

459
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Speaker 1: not gonna I'm trying not to complain about football because

460
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Speaker 1: I love football and I do love watching it. I

461
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Speaker 1: just don't like Monday night doubleheaders. I get it from

462
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Speaker 1: a fantasy standpoint. I don't know maybe it's nostalgia. Playing

463
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Speaker 1: on Monday night football is a really big deal. Like

464
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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, if your team was playing

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Speaker 1: on Monday night football, how even teams that you didn't

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Speaker 1: care about, Like oh, I get to watch the Chiefs

467
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Speaker 1: play the Broncos or I get to watch the Jets

468
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Speaker 1: play the Dolphins. I just think like Monday night football

469
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Speaker 1: to me is a very meaningful three hours. It was

470
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Speaker 1: a really big deal, and it almost feels and this

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Speaker 1: is the modern day NFL they don't care about anything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at European game. Game's terrible every single week,

473
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Speaker 1: even when in theory it's good teams like Ramsjacks, it's

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Speaker 1: fired up. I wake up, it's fourteen nothing. I'm like,

475
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Speaker 1: this game is trash. So I maybe I'm, you know,

476
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Speaker 1: a dying breed. I feel like, get off my lawn.

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Speaker 1: But I just Monday night football should be a sacred

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Speaker 1: place for one game, you know. But if you told

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Speaker 1: me that in five years, for ten weeks of the

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Speaker 1: year there's a double header, I'd believe you. Who knows,

481
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Speaker 1: maybe it'll be sixteen weeks a year. Maybe it'll just

482
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Speaker 1: be double headers Thursday night as well, Sunday night, as well,

483
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Speaker 1: maybe it just won't stop. So maybe I need to

484
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Speaker 1: change my tune and carry myself off my lawn into reality,

485
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Speaker 1: into Roger Goodell's office. I'm just going double headers. Hell,

486
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: we went up Monday through Tuesday Wednesday, just double headers

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Speaker 1: We haven't done this in a little while, but we

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Speaker 1: got a lot going on right now. In college football.

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Speaker 1: We got guys getting fired left and right, some of

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Speaker 1: the biggest jobs in America. Penn State, Florida. It looks like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Mike Norvell at Florida State. You got Brian

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Speaker 1: let's bring in as I called him yesterday on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: a little overachieving slot receiver. I guess he was a

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Speaker 1: four to seven guy. But hey, listen. He played college

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Speaker 1: football at Montana, which is which is a place I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for when I was scouting.

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Speaker 1: I actually watched the game there and I sat next

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Speaker 1: to I stood next to it because I watched the

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Speaker 1: Yeah who. He then went to Oregon State. The guy

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Speaker 1: was awesome. I mean, we just we just ended up

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Speaker 1: talking football. He remember he took Oregon State to the

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Speaker 1: Final four probably like I don't know, seven, eight years ago.

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Speaker 1: He was. He was really cool. But that that's awesome place.

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00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: So let's bringing Uh. He used to be intern Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Now he's just a producer. Jackson. What's up, bro? How

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Speaker 1: you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great repping the Montana Grizzlies, not the Montana

538
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: Pandas according to the Sacramento State President. But yeah, so

539
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: much going on in college football in terms of the

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00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: hot seats, in terms of coaching.

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Speaker 1: You've been covering college football for a while, like, is

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Speaker 1: there ever really really quick though, did we get a

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Speaker 1: verified forty for you? Like? What? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, four to seven I think was my best

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Speaker 2: s whitch I don't know, you're an NFL scout. I

546
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Speaker 2: don't know how much what round I would get dropped in.

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Speaker 2: I know my stats weren't great in college. Didn't even

548
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: see the field in college, but a four seven five,

549
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Speaker 2: but ran a three to nine in the in the

550
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Speaker 2: what is it the five ten five shuttle? Which I

551
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: got that agile, I got the hands. I can't really

552
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: run the go route, but third and five you need something,

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Speaker 2: I got you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean Keenan Allen, if you remember at Cal

555
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: had like kind of messed up his knee or something,

556
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Speaker 1: refused to run the forty and then kind of did

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Speaker 1: like a week before the combine. I think if we

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Speaker 1: time Keenan Allen, especially at this age, he's probably four eight. Guy, listen,

559
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Speaker 1: if you work the middle of the field, you do

560
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Speaker 1: not need to be justin Jefferson there on the outside.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's about toughness, it's about willingness, and it's

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Speaker 1: about really just kind of getting open in short areas.

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Speaker 2: Just get open, catch the ball. That's all that matters.

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Speaker 2: I mean, You're not getting open on Derek Stingley or anything. No, no,

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Speaker 2: hell no. I think I could maybe get open on

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Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey though, that's probably the one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you're getting off the line. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna red flag now he's like time out. No, No,

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Speaker 1: you're a little too cocky there. I would bet a

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Speaker 1: lot of money that if we had let's say twenty

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Speaker 1: reps and you lined up and he got to press

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00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: you there is you would not get two feet off

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Speaker 1: the off the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: What is the average play four to six seconds, so

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Speaker 2: I'd get probably three seconds to get off the ball.

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Speaker 1: Maybe. Jalen Ramsey's also I mean, what are you like,

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Speaker 1: five ten, five eleven, yeah, five ten, Jalen rams He's

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Speaker 1: like six two, he's long arms, he's tough. You no

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Speaker 1: chance zero. There might be some guys that you could

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Speaker 1: do that against. He would not be one of them,

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Speaker 1: that's I mean, yeah fair. I mean, he's probably like

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Speaker 1: a borderline Hall of Famer who's like one of more

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Speaker 1: physical corners. He is, but he's getting older.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's tough to guard some of

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Speaker 2: these receivers like who do you have to guard the

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Speaker 2: other night?

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Speaker 1: And he got yeah, Jamar Chase talk what an intro

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Speaker 1: to the Uh.

589
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Speaker 2: But speaking of speaking of people with no chance, Uh,

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Speaker 2: let's get let's dive into it. Coaching chaos, A bunch

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Speaker 2: of college football got burning six pack questions college football,

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00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: Let's get into it, speaking of some guys that are

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Speaker 2: now in the hot seat.

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Speaker 1: Never thought Billy Naper was gonna get fired. You thought

595
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: he was gonna get fired last year.

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00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: They kept him another year they beat Mississippi State big man.

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00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: Pick the players around and around him, you think, hey,

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Speaker 2: maybe he lives to see another week he gets fired.

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00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: So first question, hot seat? Watch who's gonna be next?

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Speaker 2: Hugh Freeze's names thrown around like Norvell of Florida State,

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00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly, Luke Fickle, Like what in your mind? Who's

602
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: on the hot Who's on the hot seat next to

603
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 2: get fired? In this collegetball carousel?

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Speaker 1: Why I was watching, uh, the pregame for Ole miss

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was on social media, It might have been

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Speaker 1: on TV and it was lane kipping a couple hours

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00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: before the game, walking out when they were playing Georgia

608
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Sexton has hard got a miss. I mean,

609
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: he's you know, his body shape is pretty distinct, and

610
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: he obviously is the most powerful man in college football.

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Speaker 1: And I think one thing that he's done, because he

612
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Speaker 1: represents anyone who makes any decent size of money, is

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Speaker 1: he's made this pretty complicated and firing guys like Brian Kelly.

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Speaker 1: For example, when Brian Kelly signed his contract whatever four

615
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Speaker 1: years ago, it was fully guaranteed like ninety five million dollars,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's just really difficult to fire him. Same

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Speaker 1: thing with Mike Norvell. I think it's over fifty million

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Speaker 1: dollars now. I had to tap out on Saturday, like

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to watch Florida State Stamford. But when

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Speaker 1: I woke up and saw that Florida when I went

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Speaker 1: to bed, I was looking on my phone and it

622
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Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, thirteen to six or maybe

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Speaker 1: it was the final score, maybe it was going into

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Speaker 1: the second half. And I was pretty shell shocked when

625
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Speaker 1: I woke up and they had lost. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: you can't lose to Stanford if you're Florida State, But

627
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: can they afford to pay them fifty plus million? Because

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Speaker 1: that's I saw Urban Meyer say this the other day

629
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Speaker 1: is it's not just firing the guy to go away,

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Speaker 1: even if you can pay him incrementally over the course

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Speaker 1: of like five years. If you're Florida State, you want

632
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Speaker 1: to hire the next you know, Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley, whoever.

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00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: That guy costs a lot of money and that I

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Speaker 1: just think this stuff's really really complicated, the Hugh Freeze.

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Speaker 1: They're losing these crazy games like that. They are not

636
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Speaker 1: They're a good example, Like they're not that bad. Like

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Speaker 1: Florida State's worse than Auburn. Like I watch Auburn play

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Speaker 1: like they're in these games with Georgia. They're in this

639
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: game with Miszoo, they're losing in overtime. The place is rocking.

640
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: They're losing to Stanford. So you could argue Florida like

641
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: Mike Norvel back to back years. They haven't won an

642
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: ACC game in two years, right, two years? Yeah, and

643
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: the ACC is not that good. It's not like, hey,

644
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, look who they're losing to. I mean, Stanford

645
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: just fired their coach six months ago. Stanford's terrible. Stanford's terrible.

646
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I mean, I would guess you Freeze.

647
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people assume Brian Kelly, but

648
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm actually not that confident. I saw T Bob, who

649
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: works for barstool now, but he's he used to have

650
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: a show here on the volume with Aaron Murray. He's

651
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: a big LSU guy right played at LSU, and he

652
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: kind of went on this rant like whatever happened to you? Hey, Brian,

653
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: we're paying you ninety five million dollars, how about you

654
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: figure this out. We've seen you in ten eleven twelve games.

655
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: You know this is not like we treat it like

656
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: you cut a guy in training camp, like just get

657
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: rid of him. It's not that easy. And listen, maybe

658
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly is not clearly Nick Saban or urban Meyer,

659
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: but like, how is he worse now than he was

660
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame when it should be way easier to

661
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: get way sweeter players in at Notre Dame or in

662
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: the LSU. And how's his offensive line so bad? Like

663
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: that's like what he hung offensive line running game? And

664
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: you watch it LSU, like what is going on? So

665
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: I would guess he gets more time. I would say,

666
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: obviously Hugh Freeze and those other two guys, like it

667
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me at all if they survive just based

668
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: on money. James Franklin had been there eleven years. You know,

669
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: it's not I think we talked about James Franklin like

670
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: he got fired overnight. He had been there a long time, right.

671
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: He took the job back when Bill O'Brien got hired.

672
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: The Texas Mike.

673
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: Norvell is interesting because you mentioned the fifty million dollar

674
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 2: I think is I think his buyouts actually seventy six million.

675
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the highest buyouts, and the

676
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: entire staff as a whole one hundred million dollars. But

677
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: you watch Florida State, and to your point about Auburn,

678
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: Auburn's at least live in these games. They have NFL

679
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: talent Keldric Felk, Cam Coleman, Eric Singleton, They got guys

680
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: on either side. But Auburn, like LSU, their offensive linemen

681
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: are horrible and they also have been poorly recruited at

682
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: the quarterback position. Jackson are holding onto the ball probably

683
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: longer than anybody on Earth. He's probably still holding onto

684
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: the ball as we speak in the pocket. And to

685
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: his credit, the offensive line has been horrible. But I

686
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: agree with you. I think Hugh Freeze but Hugh Freeze

687
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: is kind of the same situation of BILLI Napier where

688
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: if you're Auburn, Okay, yes, the referees are helping you

689
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: out a little bit. But if we go through the

690
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: same cycle once again with all this talent that we've

691
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: invested in the poll or straight into high school recruiting,

692
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: Like what if next year for Auburn they have the

693
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 2: same exact type of you know, pattern or same type

694
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: of like problems or issues going on.

695
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: Then they're in the situation with Florida where we're like,

696
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: oh shit, like we're screwed. Yeah, I mean, I think

697
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: that some of these programs they're all holding themselves up

698
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: to basically Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, and that's just

699
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: not realistic anymore. It's gonna be much more fickle year

700
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: to year. Now, I can't listen Hugh Freeze, the guy

701
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: that right was posting about God and then sleeping with

702
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: the prostitutes in my computers. Okay, I get some of

703
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: these guys the South confused. Clearly, a lot of people

704
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: think highly of him as an offensive mind. Right, that's

705
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: his thing, Right, He's an offensive quote unquote guru, just

706
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: like Brian Kelly is a offensive line running game guru. Like,

707
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of what they hung their hat on and

708
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: it's not working. I think that's where that you have

709
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: these concerns. But he was also like battling cancer or something.

710
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: A lot going on there. I just think you miss

711
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: on these quarterbacks. Look at Mike Norvel, He's basically treated

712
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: Florida State like the Washington back when they were the

713
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Redskins with Daniel Snyder used to treat free agency. They

714
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: thought they could just buy a team. That's not really

715
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: how football works. Like when you look at Nick Saban's

716
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: great teams or Urban Myers great teams, it was pretty organic.

717
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: Even Ohio State, like last year, most of those guys

718
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: were homegrown guys. Now, you can't the transfer portal. You

719
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: definitely can supplement at a guy here or there, but

720
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: like the best teams in the country, like how many

721
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: guys at Oregon are guys they recruited, you know, at

722
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: Georgia a lot of these are homegrown guys, And I

723
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: think just buying your whole team is not gonna work.

724
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: Look at Lane last year, wasn't he called the transfer

725
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: portal King and it kind of it didn't work. Texas

726
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: Tech's a good example. Like obviously their roster is pretty

727
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: loaded individually, like position by position, they're spending twenty eight

728
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: million dollars. They bought their whole team. They got into

729
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: a little adversity on the road and they kind of crumbled.

730
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: Now maybe that would happen anyway if you had a

731
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: homegrown team, but it's I do think you can't just

732
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: pass up recruiting, like the old school way of recruiting

733
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: high school kids. And Hugh Free is a good example,

734
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: like Sam Jackson Arnold and I think they gave him

735
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: millions of dollars, which pretty nuts. And same with same

736
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: with Florida State. They signed Bill O'Brien's I don't want

737
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: to say trash. I mean he was a decent player

738
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: for him, but didn't he kind of like quit on

739
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: the team. They benched them like it isn't one of

740
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: the big stories right now coming out of Florida State.

741
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: As guys have tuned them out, well, of course they

742
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: just they showed up like six months ago. You think

743
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: you're tuning out Kirby Smarter, Ryan Day or they've known

744
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: you since you were like fifteen years old. You have

745
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: a strong relationship with them and I think sometimes the

746
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: transfer portal when you just try to buy a team

747
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: at that level, right, some teams don't have a choice,

748
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: But like when you are viewing yourself as a top five,

749
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: top ten program, I think it can really bite you

750
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: in the ass. And that's I think that's what Dabo

751
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: would say. Now, Dabo can't even beat SMU anymore, so

752
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: he's got bigger problems. But I do think there's got

753
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: to be some bound I would if I were the

754
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: top programs, I would spend so much time on high

755
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: school recruiting and then try to supplement a couple guys

756
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: here and there, and no, it gets very risky, very fast,

757
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: and they hit I think one of the issues for novel,

758
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: he hit home runs with like three guys, right, Jared

759
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: Verse from Albany, Fisk I think was from like Wake Forest,

760
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: and Keon Coleman was from Michigan State. And those three

761
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: guys are you know, high end starters in the NFL. Well,

762
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman still got some work to do, but he

763
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: was high draft pick for a reason and they've just

764
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: tried to find that again and it just doesn't really work.

765
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think for Jordan Travis, he stayed home grown,

766
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: so they had success from a guy that's been in

767
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: the program for a couple of years and that learned

768
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: to develop where Auburn and Florida State, you're kind of

769
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: taking a chance on film, but you don't know if

770
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: the cohesion is gonna be there. You don't know if

771
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna play up to the standard.

772
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: And even with.

773
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: Arnold, you knew he was bad at Oklahoma, and I

774
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: guess bo Nicks was.

775
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: Bad at Auburn.

776
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: But with will Stein and what Dan Lenning was built

777
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: and what they had built around him, the transition was easy.

778
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: But with Jackson Arnold, it just has it. And that's

779
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: where I think for Auburn.

780
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: Auburn fans are kind of puzzled and they're confused and

781
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: they're like, why is this happening again? It's like I

782
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: could have told you that in the offseason when you

783
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: signed Jackson Arnold, So you're I think you're right. I

784
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: think another coach, what do you make of Brian Kelly

785
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: because they're kind of stuck in this ten million dollar

786
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: extension and I think his issue is he needs to

787
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 2: adapt to I know you had Josh Payton talking about

788
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: he needs to adapt to the Louisiana culture and maybe

789
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: needs to change things internally. But he's kind of one

790
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: of those egotistic guys. I mean, you see the Notre

791
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: Dame helm in the back. He wanted he wanted it

792
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: his way. He doesn't want to do it any other

793
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: way because he thinks his way is the only way.

794
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: And last year they spent a lot of money, number

795
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: one portal class, all this returning production, and they got

796
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: a home game against Texas A and M. They're gonna

797
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: have a bunch of angry Cajun fans. They lose that game,

798
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: and you got at Alabama, you got at Oklahoma.

799
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Speaker 1: Moving on, you're eight and four, seven and five.

800
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: It's like, do we have that conversation for LSU, But

801
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: like who do you go out and get?

802
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: Do you try to change internally? That situation seems like

803
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: more of a blunder than all the other situations. Well,

804
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: I think I do support the Louisiana contingent that many

805
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: people would say can be a little crazy. It's one

806
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: thing if Alabama's better than you, and it's one thing

807
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: if Georgia is better than you. Because when Brian Kelly arrived,

808
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: those programs were better than him. Vanderbilt has now passed LSU.

809
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they kicked the shit out of them. I

810
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: watched every snap of that game that the final score

811
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: did not indicate what I watched. Pavia was running all

812
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: over them. Their offensive line I saw was it Gruden

813
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: or Baldy or or someone posted some clips that their

814
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: offensive line was destroying LSU. Now it turns out I

815
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: think they got some high end offensive lineman. But still,

816
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: and if Vandy Lane passed LSU like two years ago,

817
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: so it's like we've been passed by Old Miss and

818
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: now we're passed by Vanderbilt. What are we doing? Because

819
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: obviously Alabama and Georgia ahead of us, So that's a problem.

820
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know if LSU played Texas this year,

821
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: obviously Texas is a better program, you would say, big picture,

822
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: you know, once they get this art situation figured out.

823
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: So I think if you or LSU, you go, how

824
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: did this happen? You know? Even if you know when

825
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: Brian was hired, it's like, well, is he actually a

826
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: national championship winning coach? And I think you could obviously

827
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: have had that argument, though I think the games he

828
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: lost when he was at Notre Dame to Alabama, like

829
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: they have a better team, but that what he did

830
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame was pretty impressive and now what he's

831
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: doing at LSU is kind of the opposite. It feels

832
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: like it's getting worse. And I don't know if he's

833
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: hired the wrong coaches because at the end of the day,

834
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, he's a CEO head coach, right, He's not.

835
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Like in theory, it feels like the offense is his baby,

836
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: but like, whoever his offensive coordinator is has the juice,

837
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: and obviously defensively he is very behold in. Whoever that

838
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: guy isn't for the most part, his hier defensive coordinator

839
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: last two years was good. But yeah, I think that

840
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: that like Ole Miss once, Ole Miss beat him again,

841
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, Lane's better than him, which is, yeah,

842
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: Lane's a better coach. Everyone would hire a Lane over him.

843
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: I guess you could live with that, though, if you're

844
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: an LSU fans, like, well, why don't we just fire

845
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: him and hire Lane? Then if Florida's gonna why wouldn't

846
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: we just get Lane? And who knows, maybe Lane would

847
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: not be interested in LSU. It's like, let's go to

848
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: Florida or nothing. Or go to you know, school like that.

849
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: Maybe he wants to Miami, Florida state, would rather be

850
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: in that state than Louisiana. But once Vanderbilt and Clark

851
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: Lee are working you, that to me is like I

852
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: can't if I was a fan, I wouldn't even be

853
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: able to take him seriously anymore. And A and M

854
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: last year. Now this game is in Louisiana, but remember

855
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: that was like I remember watching that here right behind

856
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: me on the couch and LSU was kicking their ass.

857
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: I was like, God, no, smier, this guy looks like

858
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: the number one pick. Second half, I think Marcel Reid

859
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: came into the game, and I don't think LSU's ever

860
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: recovered from that game. They haven't quite because at that

861
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: for that half, you're like LSU's really good. And then

862
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: ever since it's just I mean, are they are they

863
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: gonna end up going eight and four, because that's what

864
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: it feels like, eight, seven and five. And it's like

865
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Speaker 1: you go back to back years and even the year

866
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Speaker 1: you had Jaden with those two white receivers, like you

867
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Speaker 1: went nine and three like that. You look back You're like,

868
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: how did we LSU batle on defense? That's what doesn't

869
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: make sense. They always have defensive linement, they always have

870
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: DB's name drop. I was just I sent John Schneider

871
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: a text just like, man, your team, you're crushing it.

872
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: And then he's like, yeah, we got that at the

873
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: Houston defense is no joke. I'm like, yeah, Stingley's pretty good,

874
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that guy Will Anderson is pretty good.

875
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: But that's like what I think, Bam LSU. I think

876
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: Will Anderson Stingley. I'm watching LSU. It's like where are

877
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: your height? Where are your impact? Guys? And you just

878
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: wonder like does he not have a great feel for uh?

879
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. Clearly something's off. There's no disputing that.

880
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: It's just not working right, Like James Franklin didn't work

881
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: because like something about him in the big games, right,

882
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: but no one ever argued like his team was loaded. Right.

883
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: It's like that guy could recruit and it's why if

884
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: Auburn hires him at Florida hires them, like the team

885
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: will be loaded. It's just like in game the thing

886
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: with Brian Kelly, It's like, what's he gonna be like

887
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: recruiting these kids down the SEC and just watching you like,

888
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't sums off. I'm not trying to pretend like

889
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm Rivals dot com number one user here, but I

890
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: watch enough football to know, like I know what SEC

891
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: guys look like, and he's been lapped by you know,

892
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean Clark Lee and that GM of his in Vanderbilt. Uh, Like,

893
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: if if you had to buy, like if you were

894
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: just program X and you could have anyone, you wouldn't

895
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: even hesitate going in on those guys over Brian Kelly

896
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: in his operation, which would have been unheard of to

897
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: say out loud.

898
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: Like three years ago, we should have known that Brian

899
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: Kelly was gonna go downhill when he faked that Southern

900
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: accent at that PEP rally or when he was dancing

901
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: with that recruit, Like, I feel like once you saw that,

902
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: we should.

903
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: Have known it was going downhill for LSU. I mean yeah,

904
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean I do think you have to do cheesy

905
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: shit though in recruiting, like I do.

906
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm not as bothered by it talks and stuff to

907
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: kind of get those high score recruits and stuff.

908
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know. He's kind of older.

909
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: But to your point, with their defensive issues, I think

910
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: A and M is gonna beat him again, and I

911
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: think LSU fans are going to be livid because, just

912
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: like last year with am M and Marcel Reid, the

913
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: game that basically exposed their defense, Blake Baker can't stop

914
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: a mobile quarterback and they paid him as the highest

915
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 2: paid assistant in college football. You saw what Diego Pavia

916
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: did to them last week. They couldn't get, you know,

917
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: the defense off the field. They just had eleven play

918
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 2: eleven minute drives against LSU. That same thing's gonna happen

919
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: and for and to kind of turn the perspective a

920
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: little bit as we get into Florida and Penn State,

921
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: they're kind of looking for their next head coach to

922
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: have a quick turnaround, a guy that's been talked about

923
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: in these discussions that's gonna face off against LSU's Mike Elko.

924
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: What Mike Elko's done in year two at A and

925
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: m if he goes into Brian Kelly in Death Valley

926
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Speaker 2: and beats them and they're undefeated, they're one game away

927
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: last year from the SEC Championship, and they're in prime

928
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 2: position again to make the SEC Championship in a playoff

929
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: spot in year two. That's if I'm an LSU fan,

930
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: I'd be pretty pissed off the fact that A and

931
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: M and sure they have more money, but the LSU brand,

932
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: I would think in the SEC would be a lot

933
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: higher than what Texas A and M is.

934
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Speaker 1: And maybe we need to change our perspective. I mean

935
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: we've always said pre nil A and M A was

936
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: like a sleeping giant, right, it was like this could

937
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: be something. I always thought that on a lower level,

938
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: like how is Fresno State good? And San Diego State sucks?

939
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: Like how could Pat Hill, Jim Sweeney, Jeff Tedford all

940
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: these guys build this NFL program in Fresno yet San

941
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: Diego State is a laughing stock? And on a higher level,

942
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: it was always like A and M, A and M.

943
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: And now that you can pay players, I mean look

944
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: at Tech and A and M. Like those guys, if

945
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,959
Speaker 1: you were Elko or Joey maguire, why would you leave

946
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: either one of those jobs? Like what do you need?

947
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: What budget you need to pay the players? What do

948
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: you need blank check? It's like I don't think LSU

949
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: has that, So yeah, I mean I think I think

950
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: there's and Sam blows them out, you know, wins by

951
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: twenty plus points, then all of a sudden, you're like,

952
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: what the fuck are we doing? The problem is financially.

953
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: It does feel like ultimately the Bama conversation just kind

954
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: of died because it's like, oh yeah, Kaitlyn debor weird

955
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: game Alabama. Everyone was right to freak out like that

956
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: was a weird game. But he's an ass kicker, and

957
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: I saw that. You know that. You see they're like

958
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: making fun of the sweatshirt now because forever it was

959
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: like he didn't dress up and Saban did, and now

960
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: he's kicking ass and everyone loves a sweatshirt and it's

961
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: all you got to do. In the SEC. It's the

962
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: thing I love about it the most. The Big ten

963
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: is a little there's other stuff at play sometimes, right

964
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: the way you act talk about academics, it's just the

965
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: universities operate a little differently. Right that there is a

966
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: i don't know, an intellectual arrogance to Michigan to Washington

967
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: to UCLA. In the SEC, no one gives a shit

968
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: about anything about wins and losses. You know, now, Ideally

969
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: Saban's the best example. He was like presidential and he

970
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: was also like the greatest coach of all time. But

971
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: you can be like laying Kiffin shirt off with a

972
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: couple of babes hot yoga. If you win eleven games,

973
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: that's all they care about. So like you talk about

974
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: the accent, the TikTok, if Brian Kelly was winning eleven

975
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: games in the SEC champ, no one would care. No

976
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: one would care. Like Billy Napier, he just sucked. Like

977
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: I looked at his record today at the gym the

978
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: other day and they put up like the three coaches.

979
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: It's like Dan Mullen and Jim mcewaine, like those guys

980
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: were kind of having some success and then he just

981
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: started losing. Like he didn't get fired because it's a

982
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: bad guy, because it a weirdo, because you couldn't. It's

983
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: just because he didn't win enough. And I think it's

984
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: just it's the SEC is the closest thing in the

985
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: NFL that way, nothing else matters beside wins and losses.

986
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: And I would throw like Florida State kinda is like

987
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: that too. It's why there are people are I mean

988
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: if they if money was an issue, Mike nor Reel

989
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: would have been fired a couple of days ago. Hell,

990
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: he might have been fired like two weeks ago. But

991
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: money is an issue now for some of these programs,

992
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: and in fairness, it's a lot of money. I mean,

993
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: pay a guy fifty sixty seventy million dollars to go

994
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: away is pretty insane. I mean, no one in the

995
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: NFL has ever been paid that much to leave beside

996
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: a player, it feels like nowadays.

997
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: And Nick Saban talked about this too, about how fan

998
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: bases have more power than ever because most of those

999
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: people in the fan bases are nil boosters and they're

1000
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: the ones funding the money and they're funding the roster.

1001
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: But to your point, what if Texas Tech spends twenty

1002
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: eight million dollars and they're three and five or they're

1003
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: three and four, Texas Tech would be going at Y

1004
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: Joey maguire like they're going at Brian Kelly, like he'd

1005
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: be done, he'd be done, be done.

1006
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do you?

1007
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like the scientific experiment we're seeing right

1008
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: now in college football. And we'll get into like this

1009
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: next question about is Florida or Penn State a better

1010
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: job and that kind of like is in a line

1011
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: of what I was talking about, how both both fan

1012
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: bases are pissed off they want to win because both have,

1013
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 2: especially Florida DJ Lagway, they're sweet running back, two stud freshman,

1014
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: five star wide receivers. You invest all this money in,

1015
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 2: you don't get a lot of wins. Then players get

1016
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: angry you don't play for the head coach. They transfer.

1017
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,959
Speaker 2: So my question to you for the second one is

1018
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: is Florida or Penn State a better job? And then

1019
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: kind of talk about who are some intriguing candidates to

1020
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: you for both positions.

1021
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: Well, let's just talk about, like forever part of the

1022
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: reason the guy would go from San Diego State to Michigan, right,

1023
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: Or Urban Meyer, Utah to Florida. Or when I was

1024
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: at President State, Pat Hill would interview for PAC twelve

1025
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: jobs because you've got a huge race, right, And even

1026
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: like you would leave in conference for USC's coordinator, Danton

1027
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: Lynn left Ucla to USC because they like doubled his money. Well,

1028
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: all the top jobs, at least the top let's say

1029
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: ten fifteen to twenty jobs pay a ton Like Lane

1030
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: Kiffin makes ten eleven million dollars, right, Signetti just got

1031
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: paid eleven, So there is no difference of pay for

1032
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin or Brian Kelly or Marcus Freeman to move around.

1033
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: So money now has no factor, especially if they're like

1034
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: we're willing to pay your staff, We're willing to pay

1035
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, your roster. The money at the top the

1036
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: top guys is relatively even, So it's much more about,

1037
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: like what are the expectations. I'd argue Penn State is

1038
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: much worse than Florida, just based on James Franklin has

1039
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: been winn ten eleven games, He's been in the top ten.

1040
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: It feels like most years he was just runner up.

1041
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: I guess he lost in the final four, but he

1042
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: was a couple of plays away from being in the

1043
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: in the finals. Right, he was beating Notre Dame, like

1044
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: he ran a really good program, producing a ton of

1045
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: top draft picks. Like he was crushing everything except winning

1046
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: the national championship and beating Ohio State. Right, and in

1047
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: the Harbaugh version of Michigan, I think he would probably

1048
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: beat this version and Sharon more. But I think Florida's expectations,

1049
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: while they are high, you were getting in kind of

1050
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: on the ground floor. They've been really bad. You know,

1051
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 1: if you won nine games in twenty twenty, what's twenty five?

1052
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: So by twenty seven, Lane Kiffen went nine and three,

1053
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: That'd be a pretty big deal. If you went nine

1054
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: and three at Penn State, people would like, what are

1055
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: we doing? So you could argue, just based on the

1056
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: expectations and based on the previous success, the standard is

1057
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: pretty low at Florida. I mean, the expectations inferior are high,

1058
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: but like they haven't sniffed being good in a while

1059
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: relative to the conference Penn State. They were in the

1060
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: conference championship last game or last year against Oregon. I mean,

1061
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: now you could argue that part of the reason is

1062
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: Ohio State blew the game to Michigan. So it's like

1063
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 1: were they they weren't one of the two best teams

1064
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: in the conference because Oregon had kicked their ass and

1065
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: obviously Ohio State had beating them in Penn State if

1066
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: I remember correctly. But still like James, we can nitpick

1067
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,479
Speaker 1: him a relative to like save in Kirby Smart Ryan Day,

1068
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: but he was the top of that next tier. Florida

1069
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: would die for him to be in that tier. Right

1070
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: if Billy Napier was in that tier, he would not

1071
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: be fired. James Franklin was fired because he just couldn't

1072
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: get out of that tier. So they view themselves right

1073
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: or wrong, Like we should be Oregon, Ohio State and

1074
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: the Harbaugh version of Michigan's equal, and we're willing to

1075
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: spend for it. But that is like I'm trying to think,

1076
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: let's say Matt Rule or Signette had gone there, like

1077
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: your expectations would be, like you should be in the

1078
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: final four every year, and I don't you know, it's hard.

1079
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's Ohio State right now is clearly the

1080
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: best run program in the country, and Oregon is really

1081
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: high up there, top three or four. So it's like

1082
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: that's and if USC continues to spend money, they're clearly

1083
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: on the come. Notre Dame is not going away. So

1084
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: you just look at that region. You know, I don't

1085
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: know if Sharon Moore is good enough or not, but

1086
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: if he's not, they'll replace him with someone sweet. So

1087
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: it's really really hard. I'd argue Florida's dramatically better job

1088
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: than Penn State based on all that factor.

1089
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: So are you pretty you're pretty set on Florida going

1090
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 2: after Lane Kiffin? Penn State's interesting because you mentioned Matt Rule.

1091
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: Obviously you wanted to go for Signetti he signed that extension.

1092
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: I think the most intriguing part about all this coaching

1093
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: movement and stuff is the guys that are out there

1094
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: alma maters like Clark Lee's Name's thrown out a lot,

1095
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: Brent Key's Name's thrown out a lot. And I've been

1096
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 2: looking back, there's not a lot of Maybe today there's

1097
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: more money than ever in college football, but there hasn't

1098
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: really been a guy that's left his alma mater for

1099
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: a bigger job. You think that could happen out of

1100
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: all these other jobs, or you think Penn State just

1101
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: I feel like Penn State's just going to hire some

1102
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: random person because I feel like they're going to go

1103
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: after all these people. And you and may have talked

1104
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: over and over about this. With the calendar of the

1105
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: playoff schedule, most of the top coaches that you can

1106
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: maybe poach at of those lower tier the Vanderbilts, the

1107
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech or even if you're Forida this weekend, you're

1108
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: hoping all miss loses so they don't make the playoff.

1109
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: Like that whole situation with.

1110
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: The early signing day and the portal window being in January,

1111
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: it just seems like a blunder and kind of like

1112
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: a disadvantage for the Penn States in the Floridas that

1113
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: they want to go after and poach those coaches.

1114
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: And I think part of it, like if you hired

1115
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: Clark Lee and Brent Key are bad examples because it'd

1116
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: be pretty impressive what they've done. But Matt Rule is

1117
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: a good example. It's like, well, why is Matt Rule

1118
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: any different than James Franklin? And if anything, it's like,

1119
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: where's Matt Rule proven? Then he can recruit at the

1120
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: level of James Franklin. So it's going to be very

1121
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: hard for Penn State to make a hire and be

1122
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: like this is incredible. Right could have said it's Signetti

1123
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: and I would be I would say it'd be hard

1124
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: to not be excited if Penn State had pulled off

1125
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: hiring Signetti. But yeah, I mean I listen. I I

1126
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 1: think sometimes we talk about the like where you went

1127
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: to school and coaching there, like part of it for

1128
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: Clark Lee and Brent Kee, like that was the best

1129
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: job they could get at the time. There obviously is connection,

1130
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: but that was if you're forty forty five years old,

1131
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: that's twenty twenty five years ago. So the guy, like

1132
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: most of the people that were there when you are

1133
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 1: long gone, and most of these coaches besides like Pat

1134
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald or Mike Gundy, have bounced around, right, I bet

1135
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: if we I don't know where else Clark Lee is coach,

1136
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: but he had probably been at a bunch of different

1137
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: places before he comes back. It's a very nomadic prefession profession. Plus,

1138
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: I think that like we have seen a lot of

1139
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: examples of if it starts going the other way, they

1140
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: will fire you immediately. You know, Cliff Kingsbury, see ya,

1141
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: Pat Fitzgerald, who like Northwestern more than any human ever.

1142
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: You know, things got a little weird with that the

1143
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: hazing thing, and they fired him without hesitation. So I

1144
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: think it's kind of a cutthrow job. You know, these coaches,

1145
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: you got to be very conditionally loyal because it can change.

1146
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: For there aren't many Nick Sabans or Bobby Bowden's, you know,

1147
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: or the kind of the rope Kirby Smart has. Things

1148
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: just get weird and you become a you know a

1149
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: product of your own success and the expectations that you created.

1150
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: You see Dabbo battling with this now in fairness, like

1151
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: Dabbo and watch your team is pretty terrible. Like it's

1152
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: like what are they supposed to say? But it's like

1153
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: it's more fickle now. It can happen randomly, And I

1154
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: do wonder if you're at Vanderbilt, for example, like you

1155
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of got to strike when the iron's hot, same thing,

1156
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: you know. I think Signetti would say, it's like, well,

1157
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: I've had two years, two different quarterbacks and different core

1158
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: group of guys. Now, I guess there's there's some carry

1159
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: over still. But he lost his quarterback, he lost some

1160
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: other guys to the draft. He's pretty confident that he

1161
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: can do it. I think if you're Clark Lee, you know,

1162
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: are you gonna be able to maintain this at Vanderbilt

1163
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: would be way rich more likely in Indiana that he

1164
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: can be a competitive eight to ten win team on

1165
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: a yearly basis than Vanderbilt be consistently like in the

1166
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: playoff mix, I think would you agree with that?

1167
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean Pave is a super senior. He's

1168
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: the heart and soul of that team. Haynes King's a

1169
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 2: super senior. He's the heart and soul of Georgia Tech.

1170
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: Both those guys, they give them ball like fifteen times

1171
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: a game, or running through tackles or get a hit

1172
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 2: a bunch of times like those are the heart and

1173
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: souls of each team.

1174
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: That's the reason why.

1175
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: Their programs are both top ten programs in college football,

1176
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: which is still weird to me. But to your point

1177
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: about Clark Lee strike when the Irons hot, that's not

1178
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: to the level of this, but that was like when

1179
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: Caitlyn de Borr left Washington Alabama, and I thought he

1180
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 2: was gonna do it because Pennix was gone, a lot

1181
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 2: of returning production, all these senior guys that led him

1182
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: to the national championship were leaving, so that was kind

1183
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: of his way out. So for Clark Lee and Brent

1184
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: Keaty your point, yeah, like they have an emotional tie

1185
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: because that's their alma mater. But how realistically is it

1186
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 2: for them to make the playoff next year or be

1187
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: at the caliber or what they're at, especially with the

1188
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech that, let's face it, maybe the

1189
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: NIL boosters weren't expecting this gred of a season from

1190
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: those two schools. So I think it's I think it's

1191
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: an interesting kind of scenario and an interesting kind of

1192
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 2: topic in today's you know, college football about those guys

1193
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 2: that are attacked.

1194
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: I do think is a good example is in no

1195
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: World nil pre nil the fifties twenty twenty five, is

1196
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: Washington never a better job than Alabama football? And I

1197
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: think that gets the case that if you know, I'd

1198
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: have to look at Clark Lee's background. But let's say

1199
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: Auburn and let's say Brian Kelly's fired as well, and

1200
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: both those two programs offer Clark lead the job. I

1201
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: think you could argue he's pretty nuts if he doesn't

1202
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: seriously consider it, right. I get he's loyal. The one

1203
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: thing you have going for him, and he'd know this

1204
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: better than us on the outside. Is like the nil

1205
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: world with some of these smaller cities where these baton

1206
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: rouge or you know, some of these programs that aren't

1207
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: in bigger cities like I better know the boosters have

1208
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: an unwilling uh, a willingness to just open the wallet constantly.

1209
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: And maybe Nashville they can tap into some of the

1210
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: corporations around there that it's not dependent on like former alumni,

1211
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: Like not everywhere is going to have like this Texas

1212
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: Tech situation where this former offensive lineman hits a bunch

1213
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: of honey holes and then goes becomes a multi billion

1214
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: ere and just writes an unlimited check, so that that

1215
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: has to factor in. But I'm watching Auburn at night,

1216
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: going god. I mean they've been They've won a national

1217
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 1: championship with cam they got back in another game when

1218
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: who they Oh they lost to Florida State. So it's

1219
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: like that and that was during the saving era. So

1220
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I think you got to be

1221
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: very careful. And they're in a profession where you got

1222
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: to be willing to move. I mean that's part of

1223
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: the deal, right for most of us, Like, yeah, you're

1224
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: making nine million dollars, you're happy where you are, why

1225
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: would you leave? But that's not Football is very fickle

1226
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: that way, and you gotta be careful because, like you said,

1227
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: you strike with the irons high, you get the special quarterback.

1228
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: Maybe the I would say this year for Vanderbilt, they're

1229
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: like beating and playing against a good team. It's not

1230
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: like they're just beating up on Mississippi State every week.

1231
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: I mean, they were right there with Bama for most

1232
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: of that game. They just worked LSU. Who they played

1233
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: this week, Missouri. I mean if they beat Missouri, they

1234
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: mean they might just be a playoff team. That'd be impressive. Yeah,

1235
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: I think you missoo Vanderbilt.

1236
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: You're right, whoever wins that game is going to be

1237
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: in a good position for the college fotball playoff.

1238
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: But see that's a good example. Is Eli right, Like

1239
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: he's another guy? How good is Missouri? Right a relative

1240
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: to some of these other jobs, Like if Lane turns

1241
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: it down and they offer him the job, like you

1242
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: just you can't there not Florida from Missouri. I mean,

1243
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: that's that's that's crazy. And he's already proven, like the

1244
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: running back he got from Louisiana, Monroe or whatever, Like,

1245
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to do that Florida, no problem.

1246
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: And they already have Like the one thing in Florida's

1247
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: gonna have is a pretty good roster in theory, I

1248
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: guess these guys, I mean who knows. I mean ten

1249
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: of them could quit over the next couple of weeks,

1250
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: right and just be like I'm not risk getting injured.

1251
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in the portal at season's end. So

1252
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: it's it's a little more fickle now. I've seen a

1253
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: lot of people like the Andy Staples of the world,

1254
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: like this roster's loaded. Well yeah, today, I mean who

1255
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: these guys. I can't imagine the dms for Florida's starting defense.

1256
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: What it looks like. They're there their phones like I mean,

1257
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: the texts are getting from Kirby from Lane, like these

1258
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: guys from Ryan Day there's I mean they are how

1259
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: many guys at Florida would start all over the country.

1260
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean they have to be inundated with people fucking

1261
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: hitting them up, making them offers starting December first or whatever.

1262
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: You talk about Eli Drinkwitz, would he be kind of

1263
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 2: your the question I have for you? What coaches are

1264
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: wild cards to either get fired or to leave.

1265
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: For another job?

1266
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: Him being one I know we talked about before. It's

1267
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: been a little quiet because they haven't been in the primetime.

1268
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 2: Like Dabo is still interesting because the fan base obviously

1269
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: still angry at him for a disappointing season, and maybe

1270
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: he's fed up with it and says, I want to

1271
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 2: go to Arkansas or maybe Florida coaches in or maybe

1272
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 2: Penn State.

1273
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: There's some other wildcard coaches that.

1274
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: You got your eye on that are like okay, like

1275
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: maybe they could go somewhere else.

1276
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: See the problem is is I would have said, like

1277
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: three weeks ago that like Dabo should already be working

1278
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: to go to Florida. If they announced in a month

1279
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: that Dablo Sweeney was the head coach at Florida that

1280
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: he just worked something out with Clemson to let him

1281
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: out of his contract, I feel like Florida fans would

1282
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: not be happy, which is crazy, but they would go,

1283
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: what the hell's been going on with this guy the

1284
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: last couple of years? So I think part of that

1285
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: and I wonder how much these ads and these boosters

1286
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: worry about the reaction. Right you could argue, if you're Florida,

1287
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: the only guy you could hire to get like universal

1288
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: excitement would be Lang Kevin, because if you ended up

1289
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: with Dabbo, if you ended up Eli, Drinkwitz is really impressive.

1290
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if like and could be a home

1291
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: run higher, but are people doing cartwheels down the street

1292
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: if that's announced? You know, James Franklin, What is Florida

1293
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: just announced tomorrow We've hired James Franklin. I feel like

1294
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: the reaction on their Reddit boards wud be like what

1295
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: even though they would die to be what James Franklin

1296
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: has done. That's a huge part of college football is

1297
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: there aren't many guys you can hire that aren't named

1298
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: like Nick Saban or Urban Meyer that aren't getting you

1299
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: universal excitement, and just because you get universal excitement. We

1300
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: saw with Lincoln Riley when they hired him from Oklahoma

1301
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: at USC, they couldn't have been happier, and four years

1302
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: later they're like, what is going on? You know? I

1303
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: think Brian Kelly's a pretty good example. When LSU hired him,

1304
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: people were excited, but it was like conditional excitement, kind

1305
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: of excited, kind of uneasy, but like, oh, this should work.

1306
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: He's pretty solid, so they turned on him really quick.

1307
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: So I think the I this is really hard, you know,

1308
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: Matt Rule, if Penn State hired him or people gonna

1309
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: be excited.

1310
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,879
Speaker 2: Can I throw a name out at you, Jeff Brohm Louisville?

1311
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 2: Would that bring any intrigue to a Florida or I

1312
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 2: know it's not the sexiest name, but him beating Miami.

1313
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: What he's done with quarterbacks the last couple of years,

1314
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 2: from Jack Plumber to Tyler Schuck to Miller Moss. They

1315
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 2: always win ten games, like they're always relevant, They're upsetting opponents,

1316
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: Like I think his record's like insane in terms of

1317
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 2: against a top twenty five team that but he's another

1318
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: and he's another guy in that equation, in that circle

1319
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 2: of the rant keys of the clark Lees that are

1320
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:03,839
Speaker 2: former alma mater guys.

1321
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: So would it be tough for him to leave? I

1322
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 1: have no idea.

1323
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 2: A lot of these guys that talk about their alma

1324
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 2: maters are like Kenny Dillingham. But Kenny Dilleham says he's

1325
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 2: not gonna leave. I believe him.

1326
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: But I also could see him go on and.

1327
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 2: Go to Penn State, which is the amount of money

1328
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 2: that he offers, and how would that you change his

1329
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: coaching career?

1330
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: But what do you make of like Jeff Brohm? I

1331
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: would say, Jeff Brohm historically is exactly the guy that

1332
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: a good program and a good ad would want to hire.

1333
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: He's fifty four years old. He's been a head coach

1334
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: now since twenty fourteen at Western Kentucky eight and five,

1335
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: twelve and two, ten and three. Then he goes to Purdue,

1336
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,919
Speaker 1: which I think we'd all agree is not a good program.

1337
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: His last year at Perdue he was eight and five,

1338
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: the year before that he was nine and four, So

1339
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: his last two years he won fifteen games. Then at

1340
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: Louisville ten wins, nine wins, and now five and one.

1341
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: He is a former NFL quarterback right He was undrafted

1342
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: guy in the ninety played in the NFL off and

1343
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: on as like a backup third stringer for a long time.

1344
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: He's a quarterback guy. He's an offensive guy. Kind of

1345
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: just kicked Miami's ass. You know, wasn't Miami coming off

1346
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: of bye Yeah? Yeah, after being four the state? Yeah,

1347
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean dominated him. So I don't think listen, he's

1348
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: not like it feels like Lane's in his own little

1349
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: island of being the sexy higher no one else feels

1350
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: sexy and that that doesn't matter. In the pros. It

1351
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: does matter a little bit, like when John Schneider hired

1352
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald. You know, he's kind of boring. He's not

1353
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: gonna give you great sound bites. A lot of NFL

1354
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: coaches are not like Dan Campbell. They're pretty boring. Hires

1355
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,919
Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer, people like what's up with this idiot? College

1356
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: is a lot about pizzazz. And you know, when Auburn

1357
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: hired Hugh Freeze, and I'm not saying that's the right thing,

1358
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: but it does kind of matter, And I think Jeff

1359
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: Brahm twenty years ago. With his resume, I think we'd

1360
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: be talking about him like he's the number one coaching

1361
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: candidate not name Lane Kiffin on the market. But it

1362
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: does feel like he's kind of an afterthought. Like if

1363
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm Penn State, I think I'd be all over.

1364
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's worked at he's worked in the conference,

1365
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: had success, he's worked at a little school, and now

1366
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: he's at Louisville. I think he'd be a no brainer.

1367
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: But I think if I said, hey, Penn State has

1368
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: hired Jeff brom do you think people would be happy

1369
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 1: at Penn State.

1370
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: Probably not at first, but I think it because he's

1371
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 2: a kind of a sneaky, underrated guy in terms of

1372
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: the transfer portal.

1373
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean, looking at his resume, I agree, maybe they are.

1374
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 1: Maybe they end up hiring him. I'd hired Jeff Brown

1375
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: before I hired Matt Ruhle. Yeah. Yeah. Now he's not

1376
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 1: an outspoken guy like Matt Role is.

1377
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: Matt Role's got a podcast and he's definitely got like

1378
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 2: the image of to your point earlier talking about Brian

1379
01:11:58,240 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 2: Kelly and having to do kind of.

1380
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: Those cheesy things that's what Matt Rule will do and

1381
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: it works.

1382
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: But he also is the same guy that lost to

1383
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,879
Speaker 2: Minnesota on a Friday night where that same Friday night.

1384
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: Broms beating Miami number two.

1385
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 2: Miami, well you and me talked about is one of

1386
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: the most complete teams in college football, and you look

1387
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: back at Miami and you got question marks and now

1388
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:16,839
Speaker 2: Miami and I'm even might not even.

1389
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: Make the ACEC Championship game because of that game with Louisville.

1390
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 2: Speaking of another guy that got fired, James Frankly, we

1391
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 2: talked about him earlier. Do you think James frank will

1392
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 2: land a head coaching job in twenty twenty six? Do

1393
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: you think he'll aim at We mentioned Florida, but realistically

1394
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 2: Arkansas is available, Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, UCLA, Stamford.

1395
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: What does your crystal ball say about a guy like

1396
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: James Franklin. I think I'd be hard pressed if I

1397
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: was him. And he just said on game day that

1398
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: he wants to keep coaching, like right now, like he's

1399
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: ready to win. He's like we plan on a winter

1400
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,520
Speaker 1: national championships, Like James, let's just pump down the hyperbolic

1401
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: talk a little bit. You're you're good, You're gonna get

1402
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: paid a lot of money, but you haven't sniffed a

1403
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: championship even in your conference. I think I guess he

1404
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: won the Big Ten what back in twenty sixteen, I

1405
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,480
Speaker 1: I can't you know, you bring up Oklahoma State and

1406
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: and Virginia Tech. If I'm James Franklin, there's no I

1407
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't even fathom taking one of those jobs. I've seen

1408
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: his name in the mix for UCLA. James Franklin are

1409
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: gonna be UCLA after coaching Penn State. Like to me,

1410
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: it's got to be like Auburn would make some sense. Arkansas,

1411
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: if they financially back him, would make some sense. I

1412
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: think the SEC jobs. I mean, if I was in

1413
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: my be all over Florida, you know, I think if

1414
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: you're Florida you have your sight set on Because I've

1415
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 1: heard some people say this, it's like, you know, James

1416
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: Franklin's a former wide receiver, offensive guy, and his offenses

1417
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: kind of suck. Now he's ultimately like not he's more

1418
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: like a Syriani. Like it's not like he's calling the place,

1419
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: but like the offense should be his baby. He's actually

1420
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 1: recruited really well on defense. You know, you watch on offense,

1421
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: You're like, where are the wide receivers on this team?

1422
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: So it's his offense. He actually is probably more suited

1423
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: to go to like Auburn or Arkansas and build that

1424
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: type team. He actually builds SEC level teams. Now the

1425
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: SEC has changed a little bit these last couple of years,

1426
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 1: become You watched Georgia Ole miss that looked like a

1427
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: big twelve game. But my guess would be Auburn, Arkansas,

1428
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: Like those schools would be out now. I don't know

1429
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: if he'd take those jobs. He's getting paid so much money,

1430
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: but I couldn't if I was him. There's no way

1431
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: I could take the Oklahoma State I think Oklahoma State

1432
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 1: job is one of the worst jobs in the country.

1433
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech starting to feel that way as well. And

1434
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: when my guy Tim Skipper beats Indiana on Saturday, they're

1435
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 1: just gonna have to offer him a contract.

1436
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what UCLA has to do, right I mean,

1437
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,759
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't back away from what you're seeing

1438
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 2: with Skipper and newheisl together. Just pay them both. Hey,

1439
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 2: here's your checks, and just run with it with UCLA.

1440
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 2: But to your point about James Franklin, what would a

1441
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 2: job like Because he's been in the Big Ten, it

1442
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: seems like if he's a guy that wants to get

1443
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: back into winning, it would be the ACC and Florida

1444
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: State fans is probably gonna be upset about it. But

1445
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,480
Speaker 2: a guy like James Franklin would come in and relatively

1446
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: would at least beat Stanford, would at least beat SMU,

1447
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 2: would at least beat Pitt and all these teams that

1448
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 2: Mike Burvel is leaving. So I guess, to James Franklin's credit,

1449
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 2: if an SEC job wouldn't be available, a Florida State

1450
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: would be intriguing. But again that's another fan base that's

1451
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 2: pretty upset right now. The last couple of years, that

1452
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 2: program just looks dead.

1453
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: Also, his like next contract is mitigated by what they

1454
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: owe him, so like you could pay him four million

1455
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: dollars and they got to cover the other five or whatever,

1456
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: So you could actually get James Franklin in theory for

1457
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: a little cheaper. You can say, hey, we'll pay a

1458
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: little less, will have Penn State cover some of it,

1459
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,520
Speaker 1: and will use some of that money to buy your coordinators,

1460
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: to buy your GM to use towards your roster. So

1461
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: it's actually a pretty big advantage for him. Like he's

1462
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: getting his money no matter what as a nine to

1463
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: ten million dollar coach. But Penn State can flip some

1464
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: of that bill. It happens a ton in the NFL. Right,

1465
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: I can get a coordinator for half price because another

1466
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: team's paying part of it. I have to pay him

1467
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: a threshold. Right, I can't pay him like one hundred

1468
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: grand and they pay the other nine point five. But yeah,

1469
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean I think I would guess Auburn Arkansas if

1470
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: you tell me Florida State became available, I could see

1471
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: him being all over that as well, because they kind

1472
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: of like, you know, Bobby Bowden, they like a big recruiter.

1473
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 1: And I don't know much about Mike Norvel besides it

1474
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago I thought he was good.

1475
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: Clearly it's just not going well. But I mean, they

1476
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 1: you can't be losing these games like they lack talent.

1477
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's at this point in time. Were a

1478
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, they were stacked, and I think

1479
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: that's part of the transfer portal, you know. And I

1480
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: think James Franklin, like most of their star players, like

1481
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren, Abdual, Carter, Saquon Barkley, Michael Parsons like Homegrown guys,

1482
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: then forty nine are safety gyre Brown like they have

1483
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes all over the league that are

1484
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: just the two running back. Like Homegrown. You could argue

1485
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: he needed to supplement a little more in the wide

1486
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: with the wide receivers, but he definitely can recruit, like identify.

1487
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: It's like Saban and Kirby's great strength and Ryan Day

1488
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: high school kids because then if they like it, they'll

1489
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: stay for like three years.

1490
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 2: I think he's got good relationships and good rapport with

1491
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: his players too, and I know people will kind of

1492
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like we're all human.

1493
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 2: You look at a record against his EP top twenty

1494
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 2: five or eightp top ten, not great, but the players

1495
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 2: respect him. He'll go out and drive. I think he

1496
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 2: saw a video a couple of years ago that he

1497
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 2: drove to Chop Robinson's draft party and then drove to

1498
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 2: another guy that was getting draft I think was lu

1499
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 2: Fashion News draft party in the same day. So I

1500
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: get it, like his record stinks, but I think he

1501
01:17:46,520 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 2: could be adaptable in other programs. To your point, I

1502
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 2: want to go back and talk way preseason, you made

1503
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 2: a bull prediction on this very show, the only show

1504
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 2: subscribe road to one Hunter K John Gruden you said

1505
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 2: would be a head coach in twenty twenty six, and

1506
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: now with a lot of jobs opening up, it looks

1507
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 2: like a guy that not a lot of people are

1508
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: talking about because a lot of people's focus is in

1509
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: on college guys that are currently coaching. But do you

1510
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: still feel as if Gruden will be a college head

1511
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,480
Speaker 2: coach even more now than he did in the preseason?

1512
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 2: And then what are some jobs that you think would

1513
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 2: be perfect for Gruden?

1514
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't feel as great about it,

1515
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't put money on it as of sitting today.

1516
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: And part of that is one thing Gruden's always been

1517
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: good about and this happened forever when he was with

1518
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football. Is like you would just hear and

1519
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: read stories about it. It feels like it's been a little quiet.

1520
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: Now that could change. He's outspoken, like he wants to

1521
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: do it, but it doesn't like it's a two way

1522
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: street and forever Fell owners wanted him to me, it's

1523
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: like do the ads want them? And yeah, I mean

1524
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: I would say I'm not as strong. I'm definitely. I

1525
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: feel like Mike McCarthy is more likely to uh be

1526
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: the coach at like Wisconsin than Gruden is to be

1527
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: the coach at Arkansas. Maybe I'm wrong.

1528
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to a guy like that that's never

1529
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 2: played in and that's never coached in college.

1530
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: How would he adapt to the portal?

1531
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 2: How would he has John Grudden never been on a

1532
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 2: home visit in high school? Like those little things to

1533
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 2: me where I would love to see Grood in Arkansas.

1534
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: I think he'd bring a lot of trum. You've been

1535
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: one of the vibes walmart Tyson. They've got a lot

1536
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 2: of nil was just behind him. But in terms of

1537
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 2: like the logistics side and college football being an never

1538
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 2: lasting cycle, I wonder how he would adapt to the

1539
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 2: college football space.

1540
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: You don't have to go in as many homes anymore.

1541
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: That's part of it. So you know, I don't think

1542
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: Dean Sanders ever been in a home. I actually think

1543
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: he'd be fine doing that. I think it'd be a

1544
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 1: natural skill for him to such a great person out Yeah,

1545
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean that to me. I wonder if that's a

1546
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: little overrated where it used to matter more with the

1547
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: money aspect of just like sitting down with the grandparents

1548
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: talking about life. I still do believe that matters, though,

1549
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 1: you know, I think Kirby Smart's doing it, Ryan Day's

1550
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: doing it. You don't have to do it as many guys,

1551
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: but I do think when you hone in on your

1552
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: top five to ten high school kids a year, and

1553
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: you're probably even doing it now way before, right, you know,

1554
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: you're on these guys now sophomore junior year, but you're

1555
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: spending a lot of time building a relationship, and I

1556
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: think that matters. And that's where I think a big

1557
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: advantage for like Kirby Smart's been in college football for

1558
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: a long time, Sark's been in college football for a

1559
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: long time. Lane's been in college football for a long time.

1560
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: And that would be if I was an ad Like

1561
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: does Grutin just really want to coach because he just

1562
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: loves football? Which I get it, But like one thing

1563
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: you're seeing with Belichick is this industry is way different

1564
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: than the pros, right, develop being a relationship with a

1565
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: sixteen year old kid kind of sucks. I mean, does

1566
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: does anyone really want to do it? But it's kind

1567
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: of what you got to do, Like does Kirby Smart

1568
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: love making the recruiting calls five days, five days a

1569
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: week and half the fridays of the year going to

1570
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: high school football games. Hey, he'd probably be rather at

1571
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: home with his wife having a beer with his kids.

1572
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: But like, that's part of the reason you make all

1573
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: this money is to do that. And it's like any

1574
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: job that any of us have, there are things that

1575
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: come along with it that you don't love, that you

1576
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: just kind of have to do. And that's one area

1577
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: in college football where you just wonder, like, like how

1578
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 1: much better would Deon be? And he's got like obviously

1579
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: health issues, but if he was, just think how good

1580
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 1: Dion would be sitting at the fucking table having dinner

1581
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: with people. I mean he would he would probably land

1582
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: way more recruits. I mean that's like his great strength,

1583
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, it was his personality. But in fairness to him,

1584
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't really want to fly to Texas tonight, right,

1585
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't even blame him, but yeah, it's probably I

1586
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: just think, like the top guys, you think Dan Lanning

1587
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: is not doing that, it's like, you know he does.

1588
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: There are probably nights like on his bye week you

1589
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: think he wants to fly down to LA and have

1590
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: dinner with three of his top recruits, Like, hey, probably

1591
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: rather just hang out with his family.

1592
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 2: We all would, yeah him, Marcus Freeman, Kenny Dillingham. Those

1593
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 2: are kind of some guys that are killing the recruiting game,

1594
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 2: killing the in house visits. But last question for you,

1595
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 2: we pivot off of colle or coaches. I should say

1596
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 2: the Heisman Watch. Everyone loves the Heisman Trophy. We're approaching

1597
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: week nine right now. Any guys sit out to you.

1598
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 2: I know last year it was kind of more of

1599
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 2: a non quarterback award because some of the quarterbacks were

1600
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 2: kind of ify. This year, our expectations were Arch Manning,

1601
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 2: garrettnuss Meyer, club Nick Aller, those guys out of the picture.

1602
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 2: But some of the top guys that we've seen in

1603
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 2: college football have been pretty impressive, and I think the

1604
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 2: award's still wide open. I mean, I'm looking at the

1605
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 2: odds right now, Mendoza and Tys Simpson, even Julian saying

1606
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 2: up plus four hundred.

1607
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 1: Which is interesting because it's Ohio State.

1608
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 2: I get it, but you're they're throwing forty two times,

1609
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 2: you have an eighty percent completion percentage, against Wisconsin. I

1610
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 2: think a lot of quarterbacks are gonna do that against

1611
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 2: a poor team. But who in your eyes, you know,

1612
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: I mean early Heisman talk, not saying that you got

1613
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 2: to give a vote, but who's been kind of impressive

1614
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: to you in college football that deserves the award? Well,

1615
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 2: I think the award kind of overrated. I mean, I

1616
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 2: think I think it used.

1617
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: To mean more. I think it used to mean more.

1618
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: But I would say this, if Vanderbilt makes the playoffs

1619
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: or Indiana is just in the conference championship game, I

1620
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: have a hard time not giving it to one of

1621
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: those two guys. Like, nothing against Tys Simpson, he looks unreal.

1622
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: Most quarterbacks over the course of the last fifteen years

1623
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 1: have looked pretty sweet. Nothing against saying he's kicking ass

1624
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: and that team's awesome, Like most people look pretty good,

1625
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: Ohio State. What these guys are doing in Indiana and

1626
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt is pretty incredible. Specifically Pavia, like because now we

1627
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: have two straight years. Rourke was, I mean, he was

1628
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: turns out he had Torney sail by the end of

1629
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: the year, but he was good. Like their offense was good, right,

1630
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,759
Speaker 1: he was throwing those back like Signette's a good offensive coach,

1631
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: but it does feel like they've gone up a level.

1632
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: And clearly Mendoza is a better player. I mean, he's

1633
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: like a high end draft pick and he's I had

1634
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: a buddy who's a scout at the game against Oregon

1635
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: and he's like, listen, that interception was bad, but he

1636
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: bounced right back. That was like really impressive in that environment,

1637
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: in that place. And you watch Pavia just making play

1638
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: after play because every once in a while, like LSU

1639
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: would kind of get back in the game, like, hey,

1640
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: if they can just get a stop like ls you could,

1641
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: and then he would just pull something out of his Honestly,

1642
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: it was Johnny Manziel. It was. It's the closest thing

1643
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: to see we've seen the Johnny because it's like, what

1644
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: is he doing? I would to me he would get

1645
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: if we're voting today, I would vote for Diego Pavia. Now,

1646
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, you get a couple more games, you lose,

1647
01:24:56,439 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: don't play well. He does that again against Missouri, I

1648
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: think he's gonna win. I mean if he just keeps

1649
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: playing like he's been playing, because even against Alabama I

1650
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: thought he was good. Now again, these defenses, this isn't

1651
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: like twenty twelve Nick Saban defense on Alabama, but that's

1652
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 1: kind of college football. I mean Georgia and Old Miss

1653
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: was an eye opening experience. I think there was like

1654
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: one punt for ninety percent of the game. I just

1655
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: think defense is, oh, how State plays it. But most

1656
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: of these teams to Texas, most teams are not that

1657
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: good on defense. So it's like, I don't really I

1658
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with you know, bigger stats now

1659
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: and stuff doesn't bother me as much, you know, So

1660
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: it's just part of the football because forever it was

1661
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 1: like if you throw a bunch of touchdowns, like, oh,

1662
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 1: you're playing the Big twelve. If you're a Texas Tech

1663
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 1: or Oklahoma, I'm watching this D two guy go up

1664
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: against Georgia and slicing dice them to the last five

1665
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: minutes of the game. So you just great defenses don't

1666
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: really exist. The offensive expectations are higher, and what Pavia

1667
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 1: is doing in the SEC is just he's the most

1668
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: fun player in the league, in the country right now.

1669
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 2: I would say, for a course, yeah, I agree, and

1670
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 2: people will hate his theatrics or hate his cockiness.

1671
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 1: I love it.

1672
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 2: I think it brings added storylines to the sport you

1673
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 2: mentioned Johnny Manzel, he's giving kind of that mentor towards him,

1674
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: whether it's good or bad. This a little bull I

1675
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 2: a pivot, the he the heisman posed in the end zone,

1676
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 2: or like doing the money stuff that like that Pavia does.

1677
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm a huge fan of that.

1678
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: I guess he. I saw him they they did that

1679
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: mic up pregame on college game day, and he was

1680
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: he's I didn't think he was as douchey as the

1681
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 1: way people will kind of making fun of him. I

1682
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,839
Speaker 1: thought he was cool and he was like given Saban credit.

1683
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: And remember last year Saban talked a bunch of shit

1684
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: about them. I'd like, what's he gonna say to Nick here, Like,

1685
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: hey Nick, remember what you said about I was expecting

1686
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: him to say that, and he's like, uh, he's basically

1687
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,640
Speaker 1: like mister Nick Saban, it's great to finally meet the

1688
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: goat or something. Well.

1689
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 2: To his credit, he's had a chip on his shoulder

1690
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 2: his whole career. I mean, he started a New Mexico Juco,

1691
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 2: then he was at New Mexico State, and now he

1692
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 2: was here. But but to your point about Vanderbilt, they've

1693
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 2: got when we look at their schedule real quick. They

1694
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 2: got Missoo this week at Texas against Arch Maanning. You

1695
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 2: know it's gonna be a primetime game. Versus Auburn at Tennessee.

1696
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be a playoff team. I think

1697
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 2: if they go past to Miszoo, they're gonna have a

1698
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 2: I mean at Texas, Texas is not looking the team

1699
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 2: you talk about fugazi is probably the fugazi team of

1700
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 2: college football is Texas. You don't know what the hell

1701
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 2: they play them that program they play them week ten,

1702
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 2: So next week they are going to be a primetime

1703
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 2: game that.

1704
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: They do have good defense. To me, if he leads

1705
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 1: them to a win and they win, you know, score

1706
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: twenty plus points against them and he makes some plays,

1707
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,879
Speaker 1: I think he would be in the driver's seat assuming

1708
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: he wins this week and that game is gonna be

1709
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:45,839
Speaker 1: in Texas, because I remember last year it was Vanderbilt.

1710
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: It was close, but people didn't think Vanderbilt was that good.

1711
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:53,560
Speaker 1: Like Vanderbilt wins this week, I mean, would they I

1712
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: don't know if they'd be favored in that game, but

1713
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: the Lion would be small, They would not be some

1714
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 1: huge underdog at all. I mean it might be. I

1715
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 1: think a lot of people would take Vanderbilt if they

1716
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: were getting like three or four points. That's for sure.

1717
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: In that game, Texas looks terrible. I mean offensively they're bad,

1718
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 1: their ow lines bad. Their defense is good though. Yeah,

1719
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: that would be a great matchup, just their defense against

1720
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 1: Pavia and the Vanderbilt offense because a lot of his

1721
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: stuff is a little Johnny Manzel running around, you know,

1722
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: but part of when you run around a little bit,

1723
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 1: it actually is harder on like a high level, like

1724
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: buttoned up defense because they're like in their lane, in

1725
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: their gap, not screwing up. That's always screw up. Nick Saban, right,

1726
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 1: guys that ran around because he's like, we're doing everything

1727
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,879
Speaker 1: perfect and then just three three sixties he runs sideline,

1728
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: the sideline and then he throws this bomb. It took

1729
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,679
Speaker 1: out Nick Saban for years, the random mobile quarterback because

1730
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,679
Speaker 1: like being fundamentally sound and gap integrity it doesn't mean

1731
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 1: anything where it's like when they played Leonard Fournette, it's

1732
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: like we're just running over the B gap. Nick Saban's like,

1733
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: good luck.

1734
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like scrambled draw everything just shit out the window.

1735
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: People are going up and down the side line, and

1736
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 2: they have good receiver chemistry, which is.

1737
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: And probably is just one big scramble drill. That's his

1738
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: whole offense, you know, not his whole offense. He's better

1739
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 1: than that. But I'm saying like it's a huge part

1740
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: of his game, and I.

1741
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 2: Think people are gonna probably in the comments say, well,

1742
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 2: Mendoza's favorite, he should win the award. I also think

1743
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 2: part of the award too is you've got to be

1744
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,480
Speaker 2: in primetime moments. You got to be up against great competition.

1745
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 2: Penn State stinks because that would have been a good game.

1746
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure big newde kickoff would have been there. Maybe

1747
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: they still will be there at Penn State in Indiana.

1748
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure they go back and forth between there and

1749
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 2: Ohio State. They're like Ohio State's home TV station, it

1750
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 2: seems like. But I think Ty Simpson would be the

1751
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 2: only other guy that can compete with Pavia just because

1752
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 2: of what he's done with al Alabama.

1753
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: He's been the answer.

1754
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: He was the question heading into this year for an

1755
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 2: Alabama team that was loaded. We knew the receivers that

1756
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 2: were going to come back. The haling to Bourne year

1757
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 2: two kind of under that you know, spotlight that they had,

1758
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 2: but the loss with Florida State wasn't his fault and

1759
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 2: he just continues to get better week after week. Looking

1760
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:01,919
Speaker 2: at their schedule, they have LSU, they have Oklahoma at Auburn,

1761
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 2: I mean the Iron Bowl.

1762
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,679
Speaker 1: Who knows what could happen for that game.

1763
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 2: But if you're talking about a Heisman guy, he would

1764
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 2: be the one that would contend for Pavia for me,

1765
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: just because he came out of nowhere. I mean, this

1766
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 2: guy seventh started about to be his ninth start.

1767
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 1: I think this weekend. It's crazy. I do think. You

1768
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: know sometimes like who is this guy that we did

1769
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: with Mac Jones, Like, well, he's on Bama's roster, so

1770
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: like he is on Ohio State's roster or Texas When

1771
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 1: you're at the top program, like you're pretty good?

1772
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 2: How did he not start last year over Milroe? I mean,

1773
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 2: I mean the evolution and developing and stuff. I get

1774
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 2: that maybe he didn't have the confidence he did last

1775
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 2: year then he.

1776
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: I mean, Milroe had just been a starter on a

1777
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: playoff team. It was a weird playoff team, but it

1778
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: was a playoff team. I don't know the money probably

1779
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: paying him a lot. I mean Milroe did just get

1780
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: drafted the third round. I mean he's a pretty big,

1781
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 1: physical freak. Completion percentage, can be a little hit or missed,

1782
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 1: but can't throw a slant and save his life. He

1783
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: can run, he can throw bombs. I mean that passed

1784
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 1: against Aburham was a pretty pretty legendary moment.

1785
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: Now, Isaiah Bond's playing for the Browns. He's his receiver.

1786
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: Three.

1787
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 2: Now here's how that came to be.

1788
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 1: You went undrafted. I forgot about that. Well. I mean

1789
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: part of the reason is because the girl said that

1790
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 1: he did that, and then he claimed he didn't, and

1791
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: then he got off. Slash didn't happen, because what round

1792
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 1: would he got drafted like the second. Uh, he had

1793
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: the disappointing year at Texas, so maybe what I'm saying,

1794
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: but he ran, well he did. You know, he's physically

1795
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: a freak. Ah Yeah, I mean the Browns again, some

1796
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: of these guys are completely innocent, Judkins, Bond. A lot

1797
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: of weird stuff though, happens to there guys. You know,

1798
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,799
Speaker 1: it's all again, I'm I'm I'm not saying they're guilty

1799
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: by any means. Uh, the one d tackle Hall, did

1800
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 1: you know put a gun to his fiance and miss

1801
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 1: some games last year. Again, this is the the standard

1802
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: for their character, be a little hit or miss. See.

1803
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 1: That's why say they're open minded. They give people the

1804
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: benefit of doubt. I don't know. So I'm trying. I'm

1805
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 1: trying to wait for a girl right now. I'm trying

1806
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: to wait.

1807
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to get in a situation like that

1808
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 2: where the volume or three and outs colin and say

1809
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 2: he said, she said, type of situation. We don't want

1810
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 2: the Browns over here at three and out. No, we're

1811
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 2: pretty open minded to though.

1812
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 1: I mean we don't. We don't rush to judgment here. No,

1813
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: we let the we let the process play out. I'm

1814
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:24,440
Speaker 1: not a I'm not the court system, the judicial system.

1815
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, uh, I do put it on you

1816
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 1: to make good decisions. Though. With with ladies, I gotta ask,

1817
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: I gotta ask for some advice.

1818
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 2: But last question for you before we wrap this up,

1819
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 2: I gotta ask a personal question.

1820
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 1: How's the baby man? How are you feeling? How are

1821
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: you locked into a football season and she's due February

1822
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 1: right January January?

1823
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 2: How are you processing that? Are you reading dad books?

1824
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 2: Are you listening to podcasts like how does that work?

1825
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 2: As someone that's about to be a new dad.

1826
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: You realize the disconnect. They have this human growing in them,

1827
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: and you know, this kid's starting to kick and move

1828
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: and NonStop and you're just sitting here living your life

1829
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 1: completely normal. Yet they that thing couldn't exist without you.

1830
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: Yet during the nine months, you don't bring that much

1831
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: to the table. And from what I've heard, I don't

1832
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: think once it's once it comes out, you don't bring

1833
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 1: that much of the table either early on. So it's

1834
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of a weird experience that way. She is

1835
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: very connected because again, this thing is growing in her stomach, kicking, moving,

1836
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, and I just live like I lived five

1837
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: years ago. You know, football's on, talk about it, you know,

1838
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: read an ad work on the next topic. We're going

1839
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 1: to talk about. What are we going to talk about

1840
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: next Wednesday? Tuesday? Stucky? What were my picks? Yet? Her

1841
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 1: life is dramatically changed. So yeah, I mean I I

1842
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: not much reading, just kind of keep my fingers crossed.

1843
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: We signed up for some CPR classes. One thing I'm

1844
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 1: big on is I would say the first several months

1845
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: I would not feel comfortable being alone. It just someone's

1846
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 1: life is in my hands too, you know, even after

1847
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: the CPR class, which I think, I don't know if

1848
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 1: it's like legally mandatory, but most people take it. I

1849
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: don't know, because if something weird happens, but you just

1850
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: realize this person's life is you know, if you ever,

1851
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 1: just if she leaves, even if the baby's like six months,

1852
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: like it's something bad happens, it's on me to figure

1853
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: it out, like you've got to turn into like an

1854
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: EMT meets Seal Team six. I mean, it's just feels

1855
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. So I it's more heavy on

1856
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: her right now and then you know it probably falls

1857
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 1: into my world once the baby is out and about.

1858
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 1: But it's the connection she has with with the young man,

1859
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: uh is is just it's a powerful thing. I mean,

1860
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: it's just she just has this thing in her you know,

1861
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: it's crazy. That's so nuts. I think the part too.

1862
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I got along ways hopefully God willing,

1863
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 2: I'm not having a baby soon.

1864
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 1: But I always wonder when they cry.

1865
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:13,759
Speaker 2: And you can identify what type of cry the baby has,

1866
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 2: Crying for food, crying for mom, crying for obviously you're going.

1867
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 1: To figure that out. Hopefully sooner than later. But yeah,

1868
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean we'll try. We'll try. That's uh, I need

1869
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: my sleep, That's what we're already kind of looking at that.

1870
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: It's you know, you got to help, uh a part

1871
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: of being a podcaster, right, It's one of those things

1872
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:36,640
Speaker 1: where I need my my head open, my energy, my

1873
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: creative juices. So it's, uh, we're gonna have to figure out, uh,

1874
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: the sleep schedule. I'm keeping my fingers cross. Hopefully he's

1875
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,839
Speaker 1: just a good sleeper, you know, nice eight ten hours

1876
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 1: at night and uh, we all just get well rested

1877
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: and we have a smile on our face. Though I've

1878
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: heard that's not really the way it works, so I

1879
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see. We'll just we're taking this journey

1880
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: and uh, full speed ahead. And yeah, hopefully he's, uh,

1881
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, successful young man. And hopefully the NFL

1882
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: gets rid of those money night doubleheaders. That'll help you

1883
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,679
Speaker 1: out too with your sleep schedule. He won't like that cramp.

1884
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: You know, that's ridiculous. What are we doing ten o'clock

1885
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 1: at night? It's crazy. I feel I always thought living

1886
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: on the East Coast is kind of crazy, But I

1887
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: don't know how Robert Solis seven eight kids. How's that

1888
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: even possible? Like Phil Rivers was seventeen.

1889
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's coaching, you're right, Yeah, he's coaching in

1890
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 2: the NFL.

1891
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: It just it just seems pretty just yes, just crazy.

1892
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know how people do it.

1893
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 1: Who knows?

1894
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 2: Maybe when maybe when he pops out, you want another one.

1895
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just kind of an addiction to making more life,

1896
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 2: having more kids, having more baby Like when you have

1897
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Speaker 2: a dog, you get another dog and you get a

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Speaker 2: third dog, or you want a dog after that dog passes.

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Speaker 1: Could happen, Yeah, definitely, could, it's definitely could. You know things.

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Speaker 1: I think two's are like the new five because when

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Speaker 1: I was a kid, a lot of people had like

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Speaker 1: four or five kids. Not maybe not a lot, but

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Speaker 1: you just knew a lot of people three three kids

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Speaker 1: or four kids. I would say most people, most of

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Speaker 1: my friends. I'm forty, my brother's thirty five. Most people

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Speaker 1: like in my friend group, his friend group, that have children.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like it's pretty shocking when you meet

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Speaker 1: someone with three children. It's not because people don't like

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Speaker 1: their kids, it's just obviously really expensive. Well, also, my

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Speaker 1: son has more clothes. He doesn't even exist yet in

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Speaker 1: terms of like the real world still inside than I

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Speaker 1: probably had through my first five years of life already

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Speaker 1: at the house. That's correct. These kids are just they're

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Speaker 1: styling and profile. I see some pictures of me from

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Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty eight. I mean, every human being I

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Speaker 1: knew is we all just kind of wore the same clothes.

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Speaker 1: We had a couple of tank tops, a T shirt

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Speaker 1: and a jacket, you know, one pair of shoes, even

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Speaker 1: like through high school and looking back and feel like

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Speaker 1: I had that many clothes, A couple of colored shirts,

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Speaker 1: a couple like football you know, blue Devil football shirts,

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Speaker 1: maybe like a San Franco Giant shirt. I mean, my

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Speaker 1: closet was not very big. I mean I see some

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Speaker 1: of these little kids closets. I'm not including my son.

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Speaker 1: It's insane how many clothes they have. Maybe it's just

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Speaker 1: Instagram TikTok, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's wild and they're not doing much. They're just laying down. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you don't even exactly that's it. They're not like they're

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Speaker 2: going on a walk or anything.

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Speaker 1: Like they're just can't even walk for like the first

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Speaker 1: year plus. That's amazing. I can't wait. Okay Jackson's good

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Speaker 1: talks of college football with you. Have a great day

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Speaker 1: and I'll see you soon. The volume