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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Andy and Samantha and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 1: I never told you a production by Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: today is November twenty sixth, twenty twenty four. Just to

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Speaker 1: put that out there, because a lot of stuff is

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Speaker 1: moving very quickly, a lot of stuff is changing. I

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Speaker 1: never know what's going on anymore.

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Speaker 2: And it will be published on Monday the second, So

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Speaker 2: you're hearing this in December, I know.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh oh.

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Speaker 1: And this one is kind of a rough one. I

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Speaker 1: would say it's so content warning for sexual abuse, misogyny, and harassment.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to get too deep into anything, but

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Speaker 1: it's not great. I would say, c are recent manister

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Speaker 1: your episode because this is related and this is largely

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Speaker 1: from a recent report that came out from the Institute

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Speaker 1: for Strategic Dialogue that got a lot of attention. It

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Speaker 1: came out pretty soon after the election here in the US,

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Speaker 1: So now that we're a couple of weeks out from

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four US presidential election, we did want

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Speaker 1: to do a brief check in on the spike in

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Speaker 1: online harassment to women and girls are experiencing since the

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Speaker 1: election featured a woman presidential candidate and a lot of

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Speaker 1: the focus was on women's rights and reproductive rights. The

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Speaker 1: results fed into this narrative that this means women shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have rights at all. So here are some key takeaways

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Speaker 1: from that report. In the weeks before and after the election,

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Speaker 1: online calls to repeal the Nineteenth Amendment granting women the

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Speaker 1: right to vote shot up, as did calls to go

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Speaker 1: back to the kitchen. The use of your body, my

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Speaker 1: choice skyrocketed, and the original Nick Quinte's video of that

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Speaker 1: phrase has been viewed over thirty five million times. There

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Speaker 1: have been multiple reported instances of boys chanting that at

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Speaker 1: girls and schools. Quintes later went on to add quote,

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Speaker 1: I'd just like to take the opportunity to think men

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Speaker 1: for saving this country from stupides who wanted to destroy

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Speaker 1: the world to keep abortion yep. In the days after

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Speaker 1: the election, and there were videos of men dressed in

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Speaker 1: to go home, you don't belong here. Online harassment was

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Speaker 1: being used to force women offline, especially in high school

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Speaker 1: or college spaces. Reports of online threats of rape have increased.

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Speaker 1: So far, platforms have largely failed to mark these as violations,

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Speaker 1: and there have been calls to form rape squads. One

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Speaker 1: tweet that said quote women threatening sex strikes like lmao

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Speaker 1: as if you have a say received over ten million views.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to come back to this, but this

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Speaker 1: has started a whole conversation with a sexuality that I'm

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Speaker 1: There's the ongoing rise of sexualized deep fakes used to

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Speaker 1: target and silence women. That was happening before, and now

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Speaker 1: it's really shot up. According to a study out of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, a wopping ninety eight percent of deep

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Speaker 1: fakes were pornographic in nature and ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 1: them were of women. And this has made revenge porn easier,

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Speaker 1: which is also a problem we need to come back

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Speaker 1: and talk about because it's changed. The use of stalkerware

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Speaker 1: in used by seventy eight percent during the pandemic, and

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Speaker 1: this technology is often used against women. And there are

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Speaker 1: continued conversations about weaponized data collection when it comes to

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Speaker 1: things like abortion. So, how are these companies going to

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Speaker 1: use this data they're collecting on you against you? How

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Speaker 1: can the government contact these companies, work with these companies

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Speaker 1: to use it against you? It is a big problem.

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Speaker 1: But like all of it comes together to say that

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Speaker 1: right now, it's really women and girls are facing a

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Speaker 1: saying it was talking about like how companies do or

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Speaker 1: points they made is that if someone from a marginalized

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Speaker 3: They don't leave.

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Speaker 1: And so having this like uptick in all of this harassment,

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Speaker 1: they're not sure what's going to happen. Because this report

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Speaker 1: it was designed, like a lot of these things they

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Speaker 1: The country has spoken, go home, and it has global implications.

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Speaker 1: The report also talked about some of the things we

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Speaker 3: I hate it.

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Speaker 1: I just hate it, right, I think it's terrible.

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Speaker 3: It's true, it's terrible.

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Speaker 2: Part of this conversation has a lot to do with

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Speaker 2: the self, like the lack of implications when you're face

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Speaker 2: talked about the fact that she and her friend they're

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Speaker 2: they were like they were fifteen, sixteen year old boys

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Speaker 2: and they were being harassed, and they were not.

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Speaker 3: They were just not paying attention.

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Speaker 2: And then one of the boys had the audacity to

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Speaker 2: when the girl turned around and got in his face,

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Speaker 3: They're like, I'm sorry, sorry. She's like, I will.

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Speaker 2: Beat yours if you say this to another person if

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Speaker 2: I ever hear you, like all these things, because they really,

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Speaker 2: I think forgot that there can be a reaction, and

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Speaker 2: so being chronically online not like them, you know, not

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Speaker 2: like me necessarily, but they forgot there can be real

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Speaker 2: implications to this conversation. And they said something that they

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Speaker 2: that's a big conversation that we are not having enough,

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Speaker 2: especially with younger generations. Not that I'm having the oh

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Speaker 2: you young people don't understand. Oh, they just really forget

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Speaker 2: the interaction that happens when the reactions that can happen

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Speaker 2: and that there are those that like the differences are

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Speaker 2: that other side. Nick fints, it's actually another great example

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Speaker 2: of saying this stupidsh online.

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Speaker 3: And then getting dogs. Do I encourage that.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that, I'm but he forgot that

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Speaker 2: there are real consequences of this effort. Essentially, like got

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Speaker 2: freaked out and then started calling out everybody, be like,

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Speaker 2: leave me.

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Speaker 3: Alone, I'm at my mama's house. Why you got hello?

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Speaker 1: Bro?

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Speaker 2: You know you said some things that threaten women, and

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Speaker 2: so the reaction was very visceral, and you're you're getting

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Speaker 2: that reaction, and it's kind of that level of again

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Speaker 2: with the podcasting younger generations, they forget the humanity.

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Speaker 3: Part of this.

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Speaker 2: There are real people who are angry, there are people

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Speaker 2: who are heard, There are people who are scared, and

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Speaker 2: they're going to react out of that in your power

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Speaker 2: play and you don't know what that looks like. And

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Speaker 2: I think also there was another conversation I've seen I've

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Speaker 2: know where. Supposedly conservative women are also getting told your body,

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Speaker 2: my choice, and that's making them upset because they're like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: They're like, no, this is not that you.

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Speaker 2: No one, no one should be threatened and no one

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Speaker 2: should be told I'm going to, you know, do these

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Speaker 3: So I do not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about that, but in the actual like

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Speaker 2: you voted for this, m this type of conversation, This

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Speaker 2: said I'm gonna support this other side, which people make mistakes.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully people will grow with it.

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Speaker 2: But these are the real life consequences of what is happening.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately for you, you're in the same boat as

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Speaker 2: we are because you're identifying as a woman point blank.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I have seen a lot of interesting discourse

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Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen election and I was getting chanted at

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Speaker 1: horrible things by a group of young boys. So it

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Speaker 2: I mean also, white men are all already at power,

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Speaker 2: so this only empowers them more because they know there's

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Speaker 2: less consequences for them. So they were ready, they were excited.

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Speaker 2: not just bold. They think they've been like given this power,

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Speaker 2: not just power because like there is it doesn't. What

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Speaker 2: we've seen this far is those who are supposed to

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Speaker 2: be the bad players, those that we are supposed to be, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's a bad guy obviously, don't don't trust him,

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Speaker 2: and he should not be successful. There's no consequences for

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Speaker 2: their bad actions, even when they hurt people like that.

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Speaker 3: That is the story.

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Speaker 2: And so of course they were just waiting for just

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Speaker 2: a small amount of encouragement because they were already in power.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah, every dismember, everybody happy, he dismber

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Speaker 1: the final countdown is I'm calling it? Well yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's definitely a lot more to to unpact with this,

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Speaker 1: But I just thought this, This report got so much

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Speaker 1: attention we should cover it. So if you have any

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