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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April seven. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Hey, now,

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Speaker 1: the problem with his golf game is that he's staying

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Speaker 1: Peace chaff one of many issues with it, and welcome in.

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Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour. My name is J. P. Shadrick.

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Speaker 1: We've got a busy show ahead as usual. Jaguars analysts.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Logaman joining us. We're about fifteen minutes away from

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Speaker 1: Mike Caldwell, Jaguars defensive coordinator, joining us live in studio.

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Speaker 1: Look at his thoughts about the Jaguars free agency class.

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Speaker 1: A couple of additions. Three additions on defense of the

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Speaker 1: it's been like to kind of craft this defense. And

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Speaker 1: the players come in next week for the off season program,

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Speaker 1: the volunteery part of it, and they don't have a

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Speaker 1: get with Mike Caldwell coming up. Prospect visits are underway.

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Speaker 1: You've seen reports of players around the Jack's facility, and

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Speaker 1: of course we'll go around the NFL. Plenty of news

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Speaker 1: around the league. Jeff Logaman joining us. Now, good afternoon

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Speaker 1: to your lives. You a golfer, very rarely and and

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Speaker 1: And but to watch him and to see him what

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Speaker 1: him playing in a tournament. Uh, congratulations to him. That's

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Speaker 1: cool stuff. It really is. We'll see other rest of

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Speaker 1: the weekend goes. But the Jaguars things are about to

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Speaker 1: get busy. Prospect visits are underway, the off season program

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Speaker 1: is next week. There was you know, Theo's reports about

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Speaker 1: the draft and what the Jags may or may not do.

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Speaker 1: There that always is happening, so the draft talk will

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Speaker 1: but then you got grades and then did they do good?

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Speaker 1: You know how their draft class go. Everybody's got to

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Speaker 1: you've got to have a thousand mock drafts. And uh,

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Speaker 1: don't know exactly why. Okay, um, but the Raiders picked

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Speaker 1: Jeff Flagman. This is Prospect visit time. Each team gets

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Speaker 1: thirty visits of prospects. It can be any level, doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter all that. You can invite anybody you want. In fact,

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Speaker 1: when when I was coming out, the combine was the Combine.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, uh, Darius Williams another guy that you

429
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Speaker 1: were able to get in free agency, A local guy. Okay,

430
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Speaker 1: coming home? How excited was he to have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to come home and to come here and play for

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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars. Well, it's always exciting to come home

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Speaker 1: and play in the stadium that you grew up watching

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Speaker 1: the team play in or you're watching him on TV.

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Speaker 1: But he actually gets to come home and play here

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Speaker 1: for be a part of the Jacksonville team. So that's

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Speaker 1: the most important thing for him. He was excited. His

438
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Speaker 1: family is excited and to be able to go out

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Speaker 1: and play in front of your kids. You grew up

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Speaker 1: with your family that you've seen and they can get

441
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Speaker 1: to the game easily. So that's exciting for him and

442
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Speaker 1: we're excited to have him. He's a guy that brings

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Speaker 1: a lot of energy when it can go out there

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Speaker 1: and make plays for us and need the boys, so

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Speaker 1: it uh. It helps a lot the way it played

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Speaker 1: out in Los Angeles, especially last year for him. You

447
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Speaker 1: got Ramsey and those guys on one side. He was

448
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Speaker 1: getting a lot of action over there, so you know,

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Speaker 1: and he stepped up to the plate and made some

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Speaker 1: big place for the Rams last year. That's key. Once

451
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Speaker 1: you're put to the forefront and it's your time again.

452
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Speaker 1: They have all star corner on the other side and

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Speaker 1: they think they're gonna pick on you on the other side,

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Speaker 1: and you come there and you stand up and you

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Speaker 1: get to stop. You know, that's just something we're looking

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Speaker 1: for down here that he can come in and help

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Speaker 1: develop with the other corners that we're having to back

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Speaker 1: in and trying to keep him making plays the way

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Speaker 1: he did last year. A good room now, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that cornerback room, it really has a veterans back there

461
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Speaker 1: and also a little bit of youth. So it's gonna

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Speaker 1: mix together, when Darius says Duvall, and it's got a

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Speaker 1: little extra meting, a little extra meeting. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: So part of the process of improving your football team.

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Speaker 1: It's coming up here pretty soon, the dry raft. So

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Speaker 1: who you're gonna draft with? Who do you? Who do you?

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Speaker 1: Who does Mike Caldwell like Right now, I'm in the

468
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Speaker 1: lab along with Trent, with Doug the defense staff. We're

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Speaker 1: in there trying to understand who would be the best

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Speaker 1: fit for us. And we're gonna go out there and

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Speaker 1: get the best player, and whoever that may be, we'll

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Speaker 1: be excited for him and he'll be a dag and

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Speaker 1: we'll go out there and we're gonna expect big things.

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Speaker 1: From him, that's go. It's a balance. It's a challenge.

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Speaker 1: Right now you're balancing building a scheme on defense and

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Speaker 1: then all the free agency stuff. It's all it never

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Speaker 1: really ends, but the big first couple of waves are

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Speaker 1: done now and then the draft. All that's working at

479
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Speaker 1: the same time. How challenging is that for the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff to have to balance all of that at one time.

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Speaker 1: It is It's like a big puzzle. You get different

482
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Speaker 1: pieces and you might get this piece or you might

483
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Speaker 1: have that piece and just trying to put it together.

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Speaker 1: So once you get it together, we all can be

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Speaker 1: on the same page, beect ready to go out there

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Speaker 1: and have success. One of the things that's different, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what what your d You come out in

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Speaker 1: the draft now three Okay, you came out ninety three.

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Speaker 1: I was eighty nine, and you guys are I guess

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Speaker 1: still in the process where these prospects come and visit you.

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Speaker 1: I get I think thirty guys can come in. Did

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Speaker 1: you do that? Was that? Even when I came out,

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Speaker 1: we didn't have that. The when I came out, the

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Speaker 1: best thing we that I received was a workout and

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Speaker 1: then after workout, the coach brought me. Uh. I think

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Speaker 1: we went to McDonald's, so I got got McDonald got

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Speaker 1: a free meal after going through a couple of workouts.

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Speaker 1: So that was That's all you wanted, just a chance,

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Speaker 1: the opportunity. And I think when the guys come here,

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Speaker 1: we just wanna get comfortable, get them in a different setting,

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Speaker 1: show them what we're here to offer. You got them

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Speaker 1: coming down to Florida, which is beautiful, so you know

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Speaker 1: that's a big plus for us. How much do you

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Speaker 1: learn when you get you get a prospect to come

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Speaker 1: in and spend some time with you like that? How

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Speaker 1: much can you learn to do you get a little

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Speaker 1: better feel for the individual and the personality and does

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Speaker 1: it fit in that short amount of time or is

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Speaker 1: it just part of the puzzle. Really, once you get

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Speaker 1: them in, when they come to the combine, you get

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Speaker 1: them for fifteen minutes, the agent can kind of prep

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Speaker 1: them everything. But when you go out to dinner with

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Speaker 1: him or have him in a building for all day,

514
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Speaker 1: you're able to find that true personality and see if

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Speaker 1: a guy will fit. What buttons can you push to

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Speaker 1: get him? You know in bad situations, But I really

517
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Speaker 1: just want to get to know the person and you've

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Speaker 1: known the player by watching the film. Just uh, once

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Speaker 1: you spend that time with him, get to know the

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Speaker 1: person behind a player, get an idea of what they

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Speaker 1: may react to better or or otherwise, and and keep

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Speaker 1: that in your memory bank and moving ahead. Coach, thanks

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Speaker 1: for the time, thanks for coming across the hallway, and

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Speaker 1: always good to see you. And you're always welcome here

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Speaker 1: and good luck to you. Thank you very much much

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Speaker 1: having me Mike called well Jaguars defensive coordinator. The Jags

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Speaker 1: are future focused and ready for a new look. In

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Speaker 1: to join us to the bank this season was Doug

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Speaker 1: Peterson and Trevor Lawrence s Andy and the Jags leave

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Speaker 1: the charge to lock in your seats. Visit Jaguars dot

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Speaker 1: com slash tickets. We're called nine O four six three

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Speaker 1: three two thousand. This is Jaguars Happy Hour on the

533
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Digital Network. For one, Versatility was really able to

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Speaker 1: They really showed it off this last year, moving him inside,

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Speaker 1: moving him outside, having the capabilities to be able to

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Speaker 1: kind of live outside, even though you know he's pretty

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Speaker 1: thick in stature, and being able to go down inside

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Speaker 1: still be able to hold up. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: where his primary value is going to be is he

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Speaker 1: can play a heavy handed brand of football and hold

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Speaker 1: up inside yet still be loose enough and offer you

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Speaker 1: enough quickness to be outside if you meet it. And

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Speaker 1: I just I think that combination something not a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys have. I mean, of course, you're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: a lot about his teammate to Jordan Davis, who is

546
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Speaker 1: just an absolute boulder, somebody you're not going to be

547
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Speaker 1: able to move, but a totally different HI player as

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Speaker 1: far as what he's gonna be able to do and

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Speaker 1: what it's gonna be asked to do the most likely,

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Speaker 1: So I think Treyvon gonna be a great pro. That's

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Speaker 1: cold Cublic of SEC Network. The full interview available on

552
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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com. He is the analyst on SEC Saturday Night.

553
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Speaker 1: Former Auburn center and radio host w j X in

554
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Speaker 1: Birmingham as well. He got his thoughts on a few

555
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Speaker 1: of the top SEC prospects coming out, and a lot

556
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Speaker 1: of those names have been linked to the Jaguars in

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Speaker 1: different mock drafts. Welcome back at Jaguars, Happy Our j P.

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Speaker 1: Shadrick with Jeff Vogman, Joe fort Gnado, Brent Reaver and

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Speaker 1: our thanks to Mike Caldwell, so coming in Jaguars defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot going on at the same time, just

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Speaker 1: getting into town a little later than a lot of

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Speaker 1: coaching staffs might and then here we go hit the

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Speaker 1: ground running. Well the part we asked him about this

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Speaker 1: because it we did it off the year and said,

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, you're starting to get settled because a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand. Okay, you get an new

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Speaker 1: coaching staff, well, you also have to change cities. You

568
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Speaker 1: have a family, and you have to try to get

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Speaker 1: the family moved. I mean, there's a lot of moving

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Speaker 1: parts for for NFL coaches because they literally have to

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Speaker 1: be a little bit part gypsy because that's kind of

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Speaker 1: just the name of the game. And this is the

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Speaker 1: business you've chosen. Well, and I mean that's what they

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Speaker 1: signed up for. So I mean, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: asking anybody to feel sorry for him. I mean just

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Speaker 1: you know, that's asking people to kind of understand what

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Speaker 1: they have going on in their life. And it's a

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Speaker 1: lot and uh and so Mike's got a lot going

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Speaker 1: on and uh and and also being a first time

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and so uh yeah, I mean that's trying

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Speaker 1: to learn to speak the same language. And I brought

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Speaker 1: that up because I mean JP literally when you have

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Speaker 1: and you assemble a staff, a defensive staff or an

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Speaker 1: offensive staff, you're bringing in a lot of guys that

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Speaker 1: you know, but they may all come from different systems.

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Speaker 1: You may have spent some time together in past places.

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Speaker 1: But you also have these different languages that you're all

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Speaker 1: coming from most recently, and so you have to be

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Speaker 1: able to all speak the same language, and so you

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Speaker 1: have to decide on terminology and uh and everything of

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Speaker 1: that nature. So that's not an easy thing to do,

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Speaker 1: not an easy thing to do at all. And the

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Speaker 1: one thing that I like what Doug Peterson and I

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Speaker 1: think he did this and I think it was very

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Speaker 1: smart to help out Mike because he's the first time

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Speaker 1: called wells. Bob Sutton was kept on staff and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people maybe don't appreciate and understand this, but

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Speaker 1: Bob Sutton has been an extremely successful defensive coordinator in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League before, most recently with the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chiefs and highly respected, highly respected, and urban Meyer

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Speaker 1: hired him. Doug Peterson kept him very smart and will

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Speaker 1: that will help Mike called well, it's gonna be Mike Show.

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Speaker 1: But man if if if I'm approaching something for the

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Speaker 1: first time, to have the ability to go to somebody

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Speaker 1: who's been there and done that, bounce ideas off of them,

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Speaker 1: and to get that kind of that free flowing information opinions,

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Speaker 1: that's valuable, very valuable, because Mike Caldwell is going to

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Speaker 1: be in a lot of places that he's never been

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Speaker 1: this year, and to have somebody who has been there

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Speaker 1: and to be able to lean on that past experience

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Speaker 1: with somebody on staff, I think is absolutely important. One

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Speaker 1: of these days, we're gonna put a microphone in front

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Speaker 1: of Bob Sutton and get some stories out of that man.

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Speaker 1: He's got some stories now talked to him, you know,

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Speaker 1: and off the air, and yeah, he's got some stories.

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Speaker 1: That would be a fun one for sure. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the draft is three weeks away from tonight, you believe that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the guy that that you talked to

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Speaker 1: on the podcast, I love his opinion on on Trayvon Walker,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's dead on. I think I think

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Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker is gonna be a really good pro. When

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Speaker 1: he talks about heavy hands, uh that's uh, heavy hands

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Speaker 1: First of all, the hands need to be in the

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Speaker 1: right place to be heavy to begin with, which is

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Speaker 1: a technique thing. Trayvon Walker has excellent hands are in

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Speaker 1: the right place. He plays strong. He does have the

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Speaker 1: positional flexibility. He can kick down and play as a

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Speaker 1: three technique. He can play defensive end on in a

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Speaker 1: four B. He can do it in a wide six.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's got a lot of value and

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Speaker 1: will have a lot of value to a team that

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Speaker 1: can use a guy that can play multiple positions. Will

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Speaker 1: he be right at the top of the draft. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna be right at the top,

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Speaker 1: but he is gonna be a good football player. He's

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Speaker 1: one of those guys JP I'm talking about that could

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Speaker 1: end up at at one, two, three, could end up

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Speaker 1: at ten. It depends on what team likes, what he

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Speaker 1: has to offer right, and what other guys that need.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying about that. You know the guys

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Speaker 1: that you put into a bag and you just pull

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Speaker 1: five names out, that's how how they may fall. You're

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Speaker 1: just not sure yet because there's a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: that are that are real close together talent wise in

645
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Speaker 1: that top ten, top twelve guys. This is Jaguars Happy R. J. P.

646
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Speaker 1: Shaddick with Jeff log I'm glad you were with the

647
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Speaker 1: Sun sent ten x L A M and Jaguars Twitter,

648
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: Facebook and YouTube on this Thursday afternoon. You know, earlier

649
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: you talked about some of the other prospects that you've

650
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: been looking at on film. We've heard about the big names.

651
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: Last week we did the Big four, the two big tackles,

652
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: the two big defensive lineman, including Walker. But there's a

653
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: few other names that people will here early in this draft,

654
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: and maybe not as early as you'd think. But let's

655
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Speaker 1: start with a guy like you. You're talking about the

656
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Speaker 1: Greek guy from that I think is how you pronounced

657
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: his last name, George, George Carl Laftis and uh, he's

658
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: he wears a single digit number number five. And when

659
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: you watch him play, this guy, he he might be

660
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: the best pass rusher in the draft as far as

661
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: the smoothest guy having just passed. He can do it,

662
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, he really can do. He's got great ups,

663
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: he's got a great bend, he has got he's fluid

664
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Speaker 1: as can be. And where is he gonna be drafted?

665
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: And he's gonna be in the first round somewhere. I

666
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: don't know exactly where six four, two sixty six and

667
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: bench press one, you know, vertical jump thirty eight got

668
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: up there. Well, I think he can and I think

669
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: he can weigh a little bit more. He could probably

670
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: play two seventy to seventy five somewhere in that range.

671
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: But he's a very real smooth pass rusher, and uh,

672
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: he's a guy. That's what I'm saying is that if

673
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: if you're the Jaguars, you could find a way at

674
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: a trade down. Like I said, there's probably not a

675
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: very strong chance of that, but if you could, that's

676
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: I think where that value is is where like a

677
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: guy like Karl Laftus isn't gonna end up being. But

678
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: I think he's an intriguing prospect. He only played football

679
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: for a short period of time because I think he

680
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: came to this country at at a late eight eight

681
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: grand Yeah, I didn't start playing football until he got

682
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: over here. So I think that what that says is

683
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of untapped potential still there and uh,

684
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be interesting. And on the

685
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: flip side of that, you have the safety at Notre

686
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: Dame Hamilton's who. Many people believe that he is the

687
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: and have him listed as the highest rated prospect in

688
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: the draft. And he does have a lot of skills,

689
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: and he's got size, he's a he's kind of a

690
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: different safety, and that he almost has the build of

691
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: a linebacker. He's tall, he's range e. But I think

692
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: the one concerns four yeah, that I would have, which

693
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: you don't see mary many six four safeties around. But

694
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Speaker 1: in in today's NFL, a six four safety, you're thinking,

695
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: can we convert him the linebacker? Right? I mean that's

696
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: but today's NFL is a little more weight on him

697
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: and throw him up there, right, yeah, okay, but when

698
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: you look at his forty time, Hey, you got us

699
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: forty time there? Do what is it? Four or five nine? Okay?

700
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: That's four six? H Okay. I have a hard time

701
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: because after watching the film of him, he's got ball skills.

702
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: But there were some moments to where the the the

703
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: whole name of safety, okay, is that you're the safety valve,

704
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: last guy, last line of defense, right, And he missed

705
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: some opportunities at the most critical point of the job

706
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: description of playing safety. He missed the opportunity to making

707
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: a tackle that saved touchdowns, and when you watched him

708
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: pursue from a bad angle. I sat there and I

709
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: said to myself, this guy is not that fast. And

710
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I and this is before I looked at what the

711
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: reports were, what the numbers were from the combine, and

712
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: you look at the combine and you see four or

713
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: five nine. Okay, that's four six. That's not elite speed,

714
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: especially for a defensive back. So I have a hard

715
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: time sitting there saying that he's the highest rated prospect

716
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: when he runs a four or five nine. Okay, if

717
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: he was a linebacker and he ran four or five

718
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: nine and he was sick four and he was two

719
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds maybe two twenty five, then you'd

720
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: be oh excited about it because it's a different position,

721
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: requires different speed. But I'm sorry, I can't get on

722
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: board with Hamilton's being the highest rated prospect because four

723
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: or five nine doesn't do it for me. If you

724
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: rewound to uh, let's say two three months ago, and

725
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: looked at a lot of mock drafts NFL draft previews,

726
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: Cavon Cavon Tibodeau's name would have been right at the

727
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: top of a lot of lists. In fact, early in

728
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: the process, he was mocked to the Jaguars a lot,

729
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: a lot of these big time mock drafts. That hasn't

730
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: happened in a long long time. What's the story with

731
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeaux. Well, he's interested, and he's not a big guy. Okay,

732
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: he's kind of true what you would describe as a linebacker.

733
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: He's six four, two fifty four officially. Okay, So when

734
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: you compare him to Karl Laftus or Aiden Hutchinson or

735
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: the guy from Alabama Alabama, Trayvon Walker or from Georgia

736
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: tramor Larka, He's not He's not. He's much smaller. I mean,

737
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean not. I'm not cutting hairs here.

738
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: I mean literally, when you watch the tabe, you go,

739
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: that guy is not that big way not quite that

740
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: small because is like two thirty five, Yeah, a little

741
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: shorter than that. But but the point is is that

742
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: he's a little different type of player. He is truly,

743
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: he's not a guy that you'd say, Okay, we're gonna

744
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: put his hand in the ground and play four three.

745
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: I think he's a he's a true three four linebacker,

746
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: and he's got some exceptional quickness off the ball, but

747
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: he does he's not he doesn't have a lot of moves. Okay,

748
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: when you when you pass rush, you have to have moves,

749
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: and I think that's something that he's still learning. He

750
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: doesn't have a patent move like Karl Aftis has got moves.

751
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson has got moves. Trayvon Walker has got power. Okay,

752
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: this guy had. He's still trying to figure it out,

753
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: it seems. And so I think that's one of the

754
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: reasons why I don't want to say his stock is

755
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: is dropped, because I don't think it has. I think

756
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: that's what why he's rated a notch below some of

757
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: these other guys the top. But it's not a very

758
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: big notch below now, Okay, but he's got superior athleticism.

759
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: So with superior athleticism, you know that the guy has

760
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: a chance of of being great. Because when you watching

761
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Naiden Hutchinson, do you go, oh my god, what a

762
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: phenomenal athlete. You don't say that, Miles Garrett, when you

763
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: watched the film, you went, oh my god, this guy

764
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: is sick. Okay, and uh, but he's a superior athlete,

765
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: so I think that gives him a chance at improving.

766
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler was that Dante Fowler was a phenomenal athlete.

767
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the first time ever laid eyes on him

768
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: in person, I was like, oh my god. But but this,

769
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: which I'm pointing out the head. If you're listening on radio,

770
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: thank you. The mind and the body sometimes don't work together.

771
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: And and I'm not saying that to be mean other

772
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: than to point out that if if Dante had because

773
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: there's I'm not saying that a guy has to be

774
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: smart to be able to play football, but you have

775
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: to have the football instincts, and certain guys have instincts

776
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: and play instinctual even though the system okay, maybe a

777
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: little bit complex, that that that body naturally takes it

778
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: over and uh and what Dante that was? That never

779
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: was his strong suit he but athletically he's one of

780
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: the greatest athletes I've ever seen. We'll come back in

781
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: a moment. We'll take a live look at the Football

782
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: Performance Center. It's been a rainy day outside, and we'll

783
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: also go around the National Football League. Thanks to Mike

784
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: called Well, Jaguars defensive coordinator who joined us a little

785
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: earlier on the show This Jaguars Happy Hour and the

786
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: Jaguars did little Network welcome back. Is Jaguars Happy Our

787
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: Thursday Afternoon JP Shadrick with Jeff Lagerman And if you're

788
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: watching on Jaguars Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, or Jaguars dot Com,

789
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: you're looking live at the Football Performance Center. And the

790
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: footprint is taking shape more and more each day, except

791
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: today because it's raining cats and dogs off and on

792
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: today and it is a big mud pit today. But

793
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: we're still on track for training camp. Of they've been

794
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: pouring concrete when it's been dry enough. The last couple

795
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: of last week or so since we've had this program,

796
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: they've added some concrete walls are going up. I saw

797
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: blocks being put together yesterday and uh, you need to

798
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: get the monster trucks out there for kind of what

799
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: it looks like, right, Yeah, monster jam monster jam Jam.

800
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: Love it. Uh So, of course we're looking forward to

801
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: the progress their progress the shipyards as well. All the

802
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: fire Museum has moved down the street now. Uss or

803
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: Lock is in town now, right on the riverfront downtown.

804
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. They're gonna make a permanent home for that,

805
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: I think up in the shipyards somewhere. So that did

806
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: Did they give a timeline on when that would be available.

807
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that, yeah question, but it's down town. Yeah,

808
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing that. Pretty cool, Like you're

809
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: just driving by it and checking it out. It's it's

810
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: gonna be a nice addition. That's a long time coming.

811
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 1: That's a pretty cool addition to downtown. Yeah, no doubt about.

812
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward for the first tour of that as well. Hey,

813
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: let's go around the National Football let's do that. A

814
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: lot going on, A lot around the NFL. A lot

815
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: two more money, Well, yeah, big money and yeah both ways.

816
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: I think two more coaches joined the Brian Flores suit

817
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: against the NFL. Steve Wilkes, the Cardinals head coach, inen

818
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: Ray Horton and assistant in the league since ninety four,

819
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: he interviewed for the Titans job, and there was a

820
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: tweeter earlier today that brought up a Mike Mlwarkey podcast

821
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: interview from a year or so ago when he talked

822
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: about the process of interviewing as the Titans head coach

823
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: and felt like that, hey, they told him you already

824
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: had the job, and that's what this comes from. The

825
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: Ray Horton part of it, so that will be a

826
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: continuing story obviously. It's uh, you know, the the NFL

827
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: has got a couple of things that that are not

828
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: very positive right now that they're dealing with Brian Floors

829
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: lawsuit being one of them. The reports about Daniel Snyder

830
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 1: on multiple fronts they keep adding are not reflecting very well,

831
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: Congressional inquiries into different organizations sexual harassment type of things. So, um, yeah,

832
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: the NFL is uh and and they'll get through it.

833
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: They will because they're gonna make I think good decisions

834
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: to make sure that the league is headed in the

835
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: right direction. But right now, yeah, it's it's not too good.

836
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: In Deshaun Watson, I guess now has to give testimony

837
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: as to the relationship with some of the consensual relationships

838
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: that he had was massage therapists. So it's like there's

839
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: a lot going on. The NFL's probably sitting there gone,

840
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: can we get to the draft quickly please. Pro Football

841
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Talk earlier today cited multiple sources that after his retirement,

842
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: originally Tom Brady would have been introduced as minority owner

843
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: of the Dolphins. The report on February that the Dolphins

844
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: had planned to pursue a Sean Payton Tom Brady package deal.

845
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: But then the Brian Flores lawsuit came filed the same

846
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: day Brady retired, the Dolphins pulled the plug on that

847
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: plan of bringing both together in Miami. That would have

848
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: been something else well it obviously everything going on with

849
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross too would have That would have been very interesting,

850
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's any doubt that the Bradys

851
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: can afford to be a part owner of a franchise. Look,

852
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: both Mr and Mrs do very well, and I think

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Speaker 1: the Misses does better than the Mr. Absolutely um. Also,

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Speaker 1: somebody else doing very well these days is Stefon Diggs.

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Speaker 1: Four years, one four million dollar extension, including seventy million

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Speaker 1: guaranteed dollars. His contract now runs through seven with the Bills,

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Speaker 1: a total value of a hundred and twenty four million.

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Speaker 1: Added to the list of wide receiver mega contracts, Tyreek

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Speaker 1: Hills seventy two million guaranteed with the Dolphins, Davante Adam

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Speaker 1: sixty five million guaranteed with the Raiders. Big money, That's

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Speaker 1: what I was talking about, big money, and the wide

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Speaker 1: receiver position is crazy. The Deshaun Watson contract, I think

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Speaker 1: is ridiculous. The the contracts for the wide receiver. So

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Speaker 1: how's it ridiculous money of guaranteed? What's the guaranteed amount

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Speaker 1: of money for for a person that has some unresolved issues.

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Speaker 1: I think that that was a poor decision by the Haslems,

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Speaker 1: who admitted that they didn't know what they were doing

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Speaker 1: at the onset of their period of time when they

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Speaker 1: first bought or acquired the Cleveland Browns. But the reality

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Speaker 1: is is that when you do a deal like this,

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Speaker 1: you're saying that we didn't know what we were doing.

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Speaker 1: I think the argument could be made that it's very

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Speaker 1: apparent that you don't still don't know what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: because when other owners say that that's not a good

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Speaker 1: thing for the NFL. When you give a guy that

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Speaker 1: has issues that kind of guaranteed money, like Stephen BOSCOTTI said, uh,

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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, that's a problem. That's a that's

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Speaker 1: I think that's a big problem. Now. A guy like

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Speaker 1: Davante Adams and the money that he got, Okay, Digs, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean these guys productive clean, no off the field issues.

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, Okay, he's got he's got some off the

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Speaker 1: field issue. So we can play, but he can play

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Speaker 1: like nobody's business. I mean, that's just so. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad some of these guys are getting the money

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Speaker 1: and the guaranteed money is coming. I think that's good

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Speaker 1: for NFL players because NFL players have always had that

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Speaker 1: issue that there's very little money that has been guaranteed

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Speaker 1: in their contracts over the years. So I think this

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Speaker 1: is a positive thing. But I also think it needs

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Speaker 1: to be positive from the standpoint of the teams need

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Speaker 1: to be given that the players that don't have any

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00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: issues Nate Hackett and the Broncos and using their top

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Speaker 1: thirty visits. Interestingly, one of those an Excella Cross star

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Speaker 1: making a visit with the Broncos. Jared Bernhardt was a

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Speaker 1: member of the Maryland lacrosse team last spring and won

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Speaker 1: the award is the nation's best collegiate lacrosse player in

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Speaker 1: one He then transferred grand transfer played quarterback at Ferris

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Speaker 1: State in Michigan last season, led them to a Division

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Speaker 1: to national championship in football, He'll be a receiver and

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Speaker 1: kick returner in the NFL. Why not? What a path? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Why not? Hey? By the way, Patrick Kearney, do you

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Speaker 1: remember Patrick Kearney played defensive end for the Atlanta Falcons.

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Speaker 1: Also went on to play for the Seattle Seahawks. Was

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Speaker 1: one of the what was a college lacrosse player at

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Speaker 1: the University of Virginia and so, look, I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with bringing a guy that played in

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Speaker 1: college lacrosse. I think there's some crossover. Jim Brown one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest lacrosse players ever the go uh so

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Speaker 1: uh so. But I think this is a little this

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00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: is pretty cool and that you know he went somewhere

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Speaker 1: else played little football. I mean, good stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good decision there. Athletes are athletes,

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Speaker 1: and they all don't make the conversion from one sport

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Speaker 1: to another. But I think lacrosse and football, I think

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Speaker 1: there's uh there's some similarities there. Live's great stuff. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you again next week, looking forward to Joe Fortunado,

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Speaker 1: Brent Reaver for Jeff Flagman and defensive coordinator Might called Well.

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Speaker 1: I'm J P. Shadrick. Thank you for listening. We'll catch

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Speaker 1: you next time. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars

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