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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show. Early impressions, very early

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Speaker 1: impressions of training camp. Two players have stood out A. J.

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Speaker 1: Greene and Robert Alford. Again, it's early in the pads

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Speaker 1: have not been put on yet. Also, minor injuries are

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Speaker 1: going to happen in camp. The key is to avoid

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Speaker 1: major injuries. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode four forty six,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with

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Speaker 1: Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented

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Speaker 1: Murray rolls to the right, throws near site of fence

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Speaker 1: Bob Head. He's into the ends after the touchdown. Here's

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Speaker 1: Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. So it's really hard to

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Speaker 1: draw conclusions or make any definitive statements. Two practices into

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Speaker 1: training camp, and keep in mind, no one is practicing

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Speaker 1: in pads yet. That comes next week. But I'll say this,

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Speaker 1: and really right now, it's more like OTA's and mini

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Speaker 1: camp helmets but no pads. But if you want to

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Speaker 1: know what's going on here at Cardinals training camp powered

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Speaker 1: by Cox, it certainly sounds like there is one player

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Speaker 1: offensively and one player defensively that has impressed at least

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Speaker 1: early on. And I'm going to keep saying that, but

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Speaker 1: early on in practice or two practices into training camp,

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Speaker 1: and those two guys would be Robert Alford. And I

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Speaker 1: think we all got our fingers crossed. He's getting his

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Speaker 1: hands on the football, He's getting nice press coverage in

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Speaker 1: the open portion of practice, just on certain drills. So

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Speaker 1: he looks the part. And I know we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, Byron Murphy and what he's accomplished over the

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Speaker 1: last year and his upside, and maybe he's considered the

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Speaker 1: number one corner, but you know, the Cardinals when they

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Speaker 1: next to Patrick Peterson. But he's one of the better

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Speaker 1: can't go out there thinking you're gonna get it hurt.

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Speaker 1: They've been two freak injuries. You know, again, let's just

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Speaker 1: park and then AJ Green. AJ Green, He's a lot

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Speaker 1: bigger than I thought. Great route runner still has the

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Speaker 1: probably since high school, college and playing in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: And he actually admitted and had a conversation with Hopkins

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Speaker 1: if they want to switch side sometimes. He said that

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Speaker 1: they're both up to it. Obviously he's got to be

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Speaker 1: approved with the coaching staff, but they're comfortable playing on

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Speaker 1: And we talk about Alfred and Malcolm Butler and Byron

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Speaker 1: the linebacker position. One, let's start with the elephant in

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Speaker 1: the room and it might be that until we hear

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Speaker 1: from him, and that is Chandler Jones. How happy is he?

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Speaker 1: According to coach Joseph, Jones is happy. He's in a

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Speaker 1: good place. And we saw that during the run test,

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Speaker 1: and we've seen that during practice, during the open portion

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Speaker 1: of practice. You know this new hold in that we're

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Speaker 1: hearing from teams across the league. Yeah, you're not really

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Speaker 1: happy with your situation, your contract. You're reporting so you

437
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Speaker 1: don't get fine, but all of a sudden, there's a

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Speaker 1: nagging injuries, you're not on the football field. That's not

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Speaker 1: the case with Chandler Jones. He's participated in drills, he's

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Speaker 1: participated in practice, so maybe he is, to Coach Joseph's words,

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Speaker 1: in a good place. Yeah. I mean I get a

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Speaker 1: chance to where we stand a lot of times it's

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Speaker 1: the defensive drills or the offenses on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the field, and he was on the stationary bike

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Speaker 1: and I walked by him and and I just I mean,

446
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: I quickly said, man, you look thinner and you're look

447
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 1: in great shape, and he said, I feel good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just can't wait. So he's in great spirits and

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00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: it's nice to see the smile, but he looks night

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Speaker 1: and day from a year ago. And again he's looking

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Speaker 1: for a contract extension. I guess that'll all play itself

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Speaker 1: out at some point, but right now, the focus is

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Speaker 1: just getting to week one, and you know, if he

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Speaker 1: puts up fifteen to seventeen sacks, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's a huge number based on what happened last year,

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Speaker 1: but he's going to get a chance to get to

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and he's he's a load to try to

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Speaker 1: cover on one on one, even though they're not in

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Speaker 1: full pads. It's more about technique and getting around the corner.

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Speaker 1: But he, I'll tell you what him, Him and DJ Humphreys,

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Speaker 1: they get their their work in when they're going against

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Speaker 1: each other and sometimes you'll see them flip. You know,

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Speaker 1: one thing that we talked that we're going to some

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Speaker 1: advance and stuff. It sounds like sometimes we could see

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Speaker 1: JJ and channel around the same side. Yes, and I

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Speaker 1: know that. You know we talked with Bertrand and you

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Speaker 1: kind of want to make those guys defend the entire

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Speaker 1: front seven. But I mean, pick your poison who and

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Speaker 1: then it doesn't mean he's got to line up there.

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Speaker 1: You can move him mid mid snap to where he's

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Speaker 1: coming from some of their angle. But I'm sure Vance

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Speaker 1: is just licking his chops when it comes to what

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Speaker 1: he can do with this front set. Now that the

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Speaker 1: secondary's kind of settling down, they got to prove it

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Speaker 1: though over a period time. If they want to get

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback and if he has all his pieces healthy,

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Speaker 1: ie Jordan Phillips and I'll throw in Devon Kennard as well,

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Speaker 1: another player that coach Joseph was asked about. Cannard, remember,

479
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Speaker 1: certainly dropped off in the season a year ago, especially

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Speaker 1: after he was on the reserve COVID nineteen list. He

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Speaker 1: only played thirty five percent of the defensive snaps once

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Speaker 1: over the final eight games. Something just wasn't rights, and

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Speaker 1: Conard certainly put in a lot of work this offseason.

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Speaker 1: According to coach Joseph Cannard is quote focused and if

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Speaker 1: you have Chandler Jones, Marcus Golden, and Devon Knard your

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Speaker 1: three outside linebackers, it's a good rotation. They all do

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Speaker 1: something different. In Canard, I think is a little bit

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Speaker 1: more versatile in the fact that he can drop into

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Speaker 1: coverage and also maybe set the edge as far as

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Speaker 1: attacking the run a little bit better than the previous

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Speaker 1: two that we mentioned. But if you can get Davon

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Speaker 1: Kennard where this team hope they had him a year

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Speaker 1: ago when they signed him to that large free agent contract,

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Speaker 1: then yeah, you are sets at outside linebacker. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a good observation on your park. To me, he was

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Speaker 1: the guy that was able to set the edge last year,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you know, he was starting in Week

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Speaker 1: one and he set the edge and then he got

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Speaker 1: the COVID and then all of a sudden, Chandler goes down.

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Speaker 1: They made the move for Marcus Golden, so he kind

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Speaker 1: of takes the spot, and then you get the development

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Speaker 1: of Dennis Cardeck and all of a sudden, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're getting sacks from guys that they didn't think. You know,

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Speaker 1: they had double digit players and just one or two

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Speaker 1: sacks overall. And then you got Kylie Fitz who sets

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Speaker 1: the edge. So Canars look good. It looks like he's

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Speaker 1: in perfect shape. You know, people aren't going to talk

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Speaker 1: about him because he's not gonna get twelve sacks for you.

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Speaker 1: But after Chandler Jones and Marcus Golden, he's the next

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Speaker 1: man up until Gardack gets here and they can move

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons around. I think Canar looks good. And I

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Speaker 1: got to say this, I've been thoroughly impressed with Jordan Hicks.

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Speaker 1: He runs the you know, usually the elder statesman runs

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Speaker 1: a drill and larious here he would always run the drill.

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Speaker 1: Usually young guys just follow what he was doing. Then

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Speaker 1: you know, your second third year guys, Jordan Hicks is

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Speaker 1: still running the inside linebacker drill. He is first in

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Speaker 1: line bird gang. So nothing has changed at least for

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Speaker 1: him as far as how he attacks his day to

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Speaker 1: day work. And that was the other linebacker that advanced

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Speaker 1: Joseph was asked about. And yes, Hicks might have requested

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Speaker 1: a trade in the offseason, but he is here, and

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Speaker 1: like Chandler Jones, he's participating, and he looks good and

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Speaker 1: right now. You got to think, um, you know, you

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Speaker 1: got Collins and Simmons, and I got to think, you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at Tanner Vallejo and Jordan Hicks. Those are

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Speaker 1: going to be your backups right now. Evan Weavers on

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Speaker 1: the roster again. Kylie Fitz is more of an edge setter,

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Speaker 1: and then he got Zeke Turner, who's more of a

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Speaker 1: special teams player. But one thing that Vans said, now,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be growing pains with Zaven and obviously Simmons.

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Speaker 1: You know, hope you hope Simmons is more cut down

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Speaker 1: because he's been in a league and he's more confident

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Speaker 1: and comfortable. But Vans did say, you know, they are

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Speaker 1: going to anticipate some growing pains from both inside linebackers,

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Speaker 1: and there could be a possession or two where you know,

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Speaker 1: Zavan's gonna have a ton of things going on in

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Speaker 1: his mind and sometimes you just gotta slow down. And

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Speaker 1: again it's what where the eyes are? Vans did admit,

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Speaker 1: you know, we may put him on the sidelines for

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Speaker 1: a possession or two, and he was asked, is an

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Speaker 1: unusual to give a guy the starting job on draft night?

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Speaker 1: He said, it's not as unusual as you think in

544
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Speaker 1: this league, and that's what they think of his upside.

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Speaker 1: But don't fall asleep on Jordan Hicks. Great leader, smart,

546
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Speaker 1: knows the defense like the back of his hand. He

547
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Speaker 1: may not be the most athletic guy, but he always

548
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Speaker 1: puts himself in position to make place. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a rotation there, that's not the plan.

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Speaker 1: But there will be some possessions where you're thinking, where's

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Speaker 1: Zavan Collins, you know, the sixteenth overall pick well, where

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Speaker 1: you're saying the same thing last year about Isaiah Simmons.

553
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Speaker 1: Sometimes in the fourth quarter. You want to make sure

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Speaker 1: you have your playmakers on the field. And Vans said

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Speaker 1: that they have enough players on defense where everyone will

556
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Speaker 1: have a role. Yes, and they're phrasing, and the role

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Speaker 1: for Jordan Hicks would be ready, because yes, they're going

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Speaker 1: to let Collins make mistakes, play through those mistakes to

559
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Speaker 1: learn from those mistakes. But if there are too many

560
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Speaker 1: mistakes or certain situations, you will see Jordan Hicks on

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Speaker 1: the field. There is competition that I did like that.

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Speaker 1: Vance Joseph did say the best players will play, and

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Speaker 1: this notion that things have been handed to Zavan Collins.

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Speaker 1: He has been handed a starting job. Now can he

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Speaker 1: hang on to that starting job? Big question? I mean

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Speaker 1: from the front office and the scouts and see the

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Speaker 1: personnel department, to Vans and even Billy Davis because he's

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Speaker 1: the inside linebackers coach. They're all comfortable with them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would like to know, like true serum like, and

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Speaker 1: it's unfair to this question. It's because I probably shouldn't

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Speaker 1: bring it up, and I will. You know, where was

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons last year in camp at this point, he

573
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Speaker 1: had no offseason. They try to, you know, slow play

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Speaker 1: him at week side and then you give Zavin Collins

575
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Speaker 1: an entire offseason and now, to me, Simmons should have

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Speaker 1: a bigger impact early on over the course of the year,

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Speaker 1: Collins will have that role. But they have been thoroughly

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Speaker 1: impressed with Collins. J. J. Watt just a defensive staff

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Speaker 1: talking to Vance. He's done everything they've asked him to do.

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Speaker 1: But you got to keep in mind just he played

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Speaker 1: at Tulsa. I'm not saying the game's a lot faster practices,

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Speaker 1: you know, the speed of the game is a little

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Speaker 1: bit when you put the pads on preseason gets a

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Speaker 1: little bit higher. Regular season, it's a different animal. You're

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Speaker 1: not going against third and four string guys. So but

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Speaker 1: they've been thoroughly impressed. There's no knock on him. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's a big adjustment to go from Tulsa to

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Speaker 1: playing in the NFC, in the NFL, especially in the

589
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: NFC West where there's there's not any guys on scholarship.

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Speaker 1: Can you retain the information? Can you understand the different concepts?

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00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: That's the term that advanced Joseph used that opposing offenses

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Speaker 1: are going to show and how quickly are you able

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Speaker 1: to adjust. That's not just for Zavan Collins. That's for

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons as well. And in that aspect, Simmons might

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Speaker 1: be a little bit ahead based off his reps from

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Speaker 1: a year ago, but these reps throughout this entire offseason,

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Speaker 1: training camp, preseason are going to be invaluable for those

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Speaker 1: two young players. Correct And and I like what they're

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Speaker 1: they're way they're approaching it. I mean, usually got to

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Speaker 1: earn a job, but you know, I mean last year

601
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Speaker 1: they they went out and signed to Andre Campbell and

602
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: free agency and they had Jordan Hicks under contract and

603
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Campbell's making like seven five and so they weren't rushed

604
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: to play him, and without a preseason and offseason workouts.

605
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he was swimming and we know his snap count.

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Speaker 1: It escalated a little bit more in the second half

607
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: of the season in the first half, but when you're

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Speaker 1: the eighth overall pick, you got to be active on

609
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: game day, you have to provide depth, you got to

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00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: play on special teams. So it wasn't ideal. But I

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Speaker 1: think Isaiah Simmons, I don't know if it's a breakout

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00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: season because that means he's gonna have to fill the statue.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying he's got his swag back. I notice

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00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: he's comfortable as confident. He's talking to guys when he

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Speaker 1: comes to the sidelines. I mean he's talking to his

616
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Speaker 1: position coaches, and that's grasping when you come off the field,

617
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: what did I do right and what did I do wrong?

618
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Speaker 1: Because next time I go out there, I want to

619
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Speaker 1: get everything because mental areas will cost you a game.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday, listen, football is about blocking and tackling, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of times football has played about above the shoulders.

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Speaker 1: It's what's between the years and how much you've prepared

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Speaker 1: for knowing what's coming your way. Now, it hasn't all

624
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: been roses here at Cardinals training camp. Howard Body, what

625
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: do you mean for us in air conditioning? We're getting

626
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: lunch every day. I mean this is like country club.

627
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't say that. We're in training camp.

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Speaker 1: There have been some bumps along the way, and though

629
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Speaker 1: we did not bury any of this news one, it's

630
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: been already out there. With respects to JJ Watt a

631
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: sore hamstring that he suffered during the run test, he

632
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: has not been a part of these early practices. Not

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Speaker 1: a big deal at least not for me. And then

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins not at practice on Thursday dealing with what

635
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: Kingsbury termed a minor injury. So you're gonna have these

636
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Speaker 1: bumps and bruises, MJ. You just don't want to have

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Speaker 1: anything major in training camp, And I'm okay, especially with

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00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: the veterans sitting for practice or two. They know their body.

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00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: They don't need some of these reps to a certain extent,

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Speaker 1: and then it opens up the door for the younger

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Speaker 1: players who do need these reps in training camp. How

642
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Speaker 1: about AJ Green said they went they went to him

643
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Speaker 1: and said, do you want a day off? And he

644
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Speaker 1: said no, Yeah, he's a reps guy. Though I know

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Speaker 1: he made that very clear. Okay, let's start with what

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Speaker 1: I know that people are going to roll their eyes

647
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Speaker 1: or raise your eyebrows. I get it based on the

648
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Speaker 1: fact that he's missed thirty two games in the last

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Speaker 1: five years. However, he did play sixteen last year. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about soreness in the hamstring. Okay, this guy's been

651
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Speaker 1: working around the clock. Sometimes he's got to back off,

652
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Speaker 1: and he's learned that. He basically what he told us yesterday.

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Speaker 1: If this was two three years ago, he's practicing. The

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Speaker 1: team is saying, let's be cautious here, it's soreness, and

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Speaker 1: he said, listen, at this point in his career, it's

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Speaker 1: about week one September twelve. That doesn't mean he's gonna

657
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Speaker 1: miss a ton of time in training camp. But there's

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Speaker 1: no reason to push him. And it's not like it's

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Speaker 1: a long term injury. It's it's hamstrings. They can linger,

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Speaker 1: high ankle springs can linger, growings can linger. But he's

661
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Speaker 1: getting treatment around the clock, he's attending meetings, he's still

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Speaker 1: still in the team hotel for the most part, I believe,

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Speaker 1: even though some players can obviously go home, but I

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Speaker 1: think his wife's not in town right now. But what

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Speaker 1: I'm getting at is he's around. It's not like he's hiding.

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Speaker 1: So I get it people raise their eyes. This is

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Speaker 1: what happens when you signed guys over thirty. But let

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Speaker 1: me just caution you. It's July, and if this is

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Speaker 1: happening during the season, it's fair fair game. Everyone's hoping

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Speaker 1: that he can play seventeen games. But at the same time, though,

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Speaker 1: there's no reason for him to come out here and

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Speaker 1: look like Hulk Hogan and show that he's JJ Watt

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Speaker 1: and he's got to practice every day and he's this

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Speaker 1: tough guy. He's a tough guy, and he's a leader

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Speaker 1: and he plays physical. So get back to me during

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Speaker 1: the season if you have any concerns. The magic number

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Speaker 1: bird Gang is six. We are six weeks away from

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Speaker 1: the starts of the regular season, and in fact a

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Speaker 1: little over six weeks September twelfth. Now this is happening

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Speaker 1: on September eighth, that Thursday before Week one, Then you know,

681
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Speaker 1: maybe you're a little bit more cautious. But again, I

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Speaker 1: do think that if there was a game to be

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Speaker 1: played this Sunday. He would play. They're just being overly

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Speaker 1: cautious because point it's JJ Watt. That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, like I said, people can think

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Speaker 1: that what they want and I just I just say temperate,

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Speaker 1: but I know that the perception is this guy can't

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Speaker 1: stay healthy. He played over ninety one snaps last year. Okay,

689
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Speaker 1: that's a lot of snaps. That's almost close to a thousand. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he played in all sixteen games. He got double team

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Speaker 1: thirty six percent of the time. So I'm not yelling

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Speaker 1: fire in a theater. Um, it's just a perception and

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Speaker 1: where you bring him in. But this is part of

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Speaker 1: training camp. I mean, Dak Prescott got wouldn't got an MRI.

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Speaker 1: And I give the Cardinals credit because you know m

696
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Speaker 1: Cliff was Cliff was supposed to talk I think on

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Speaker 1: Friday and then Vans today, but we didn't know we

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Speaker 1: were getting JJ Watt. They brought him out. It would

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Speaker 1: have been worse than JJ Watt. Somebody was appointing he's

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Speaker 1: going to get an MRI. He was. He walked into

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Speaker 1: the press room with no limp. Yeah, he stood on

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Speaker 1: his he was standing on his legs. It was a

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Speaker 1: fifteen minute press conference too, so and he was at

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Speaker 1: amant like he was moving his arms around. I didn't

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Speaker 1: see anything on his leg again, It's just it's it's

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Speaker 1: soreness and you got to make sure you take care

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Speaker 1: of your body. And and maybe he was going balls

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Speaker 1: to the while before he got here, because you could

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Speaker 1: just see how guys were they were. I think it

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Speaker 1: was Richard Lawrence when they were in the weight room.

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Speaker 1: Dae j. J. Watt's outlifting everyone, out running everyone. He's

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Speaker 1: always in the lead. So yeah, it's it's one of

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Speaker 1: those going back to Bruce arians, you'd rather say whoa

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Speaker 1: than sick him, and that's what jj Watt is. But

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Speaker 1: and you'll have to pull him back a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And I think he is understanding that after ten seasons

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Speaker 1: now going into year level, like, I don't need to

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Speaker 1: prove anything. I would love to be out there my

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Speaker 1: teammates and you know, they haven't started working on bad

720
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Speaker 1: at balls and he's you know, he's excelled at that.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of mastered and it's it's really a craft.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and we'll figure out in due time.

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Speaker 1: Like does he punch the lineman in like in the

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Speaker 1: in the sideler, because you gotta get your arms up

725
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Speaker 1: and it's all about anticipation. You gotta be a good

726
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Speaker 1: rush passer, run stuffer, a rush passer to get there,

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Speaker 1: and then you put your arms up and a lot

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Speaker 1: of times a lineman will punch you in the gut

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Speaker 1: or in the ribs. So and again, Um, it's funny

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Speaker 1: Vans didn't think where Schard Lawrence is going to get

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Speaker 1: many of them based off of how tall or of

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Speaker 1: height that where Chard Lawrence is because you're talking about j. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt and his six foot five and then Jordan Phillips

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Speaker 1: six six, and then Zach Allen's six four and a

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Speaker 1: half six five. Yeah, where Schard Lawrence six two. He

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Speaker 1: was not out jumping in Oh no, but man, he's

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Speaker 1: he's We didn't get a chance to talk to a

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys last year. He's impressive, very impressive, especially,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot more comfortable talking about Raschard

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Speaker 1: Lawrence going into year two after basically you know, a

741
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Speaker 1: first year that was maybe half a year because there

742
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: was no offseason. Yeah, just his demeanor and you know,

743
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Speaker 1: they think he's got more than just being a nose

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Speaker 1: tackler or defensive tackle. I don't know if he can

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Speaker 1: slide out. But I was listening to Buck earlier during

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Speaker 1: the open portion and he was talking to Lucky and

747
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Speaker 1: he's like, Lucky, if you can just get this move,

748
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Speaker 1: you will dominate with that club you have in your hand,

749
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Speaker 1: like his hands are so big. And so I know

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Speaker 1: they're excited about those guys, and Xavier Williams as another

751
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Speaker 1: guy that they're intrigued by, but I definitely think they've

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Speaker 1: upcreated that position. It's a lot's going to hedge on

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Speaker 1: production and health when it comes to Phillips and obviously

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Speaker 1: JJ Watt. The other issue that's crept into Cardinals training

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Speaker 1: camp powered by Cox is COVID protocols, and this is

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Speaker 1: something that we discussed earlier this week. It was going

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Speaker 1: to be the number one storyline of training camp and

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Speaker 1: all through the regular season. Protocols, the magic or the buzzword,

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Speaker 1: if you will, and Rodney Hudson, Justin Pugh and Kelvin

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Speaker 1: Beecham three fifths of your projected starting line and COVID protocols,

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Speaker 1: Andy Isabella Key, Shan Johnson in COVID protocols, what's that mean?

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Speaker 1: While they either tested positive or came in close contact

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Speaker 1: with someone who tested positive very early in camp. It's

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Speaker 1: something we'll keep an eye on. Certainly, not concerned when

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Speaker 1: it comes to those three offensive linemen, maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit for Isabella and Johnson, just because it's now reps

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Speaker 1: that they don't get that someone else is now taking.

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Speaker 1: But something that not only other Cardinals dealing with, but

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Speaker 1: every single team across the National Football League, and that

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Speaker 1: is trying to be as safest as possible. The good news, though,

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Speaker 1: m J the NFL Network reported that the Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: now among the teams with a ninety percent or better

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Speaker 1: vaccination rate. Now there is being vaccinated and then fully vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: You need two doses plus two weeks and you become

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Speaker 1: fully vaccinated. So there is a little bit of wiggle

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Speaker 1: room between now and the start of the regular season.

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Speaker 1: And you just mentioned a moment ago right week ones,

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Speaker 1: a little over six weeks, correct, So now listen, if

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Speaker 1: you test positive and you know whether you're vaccinated or not,

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously symptoms are different, but you got to

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Speaker 1: think you're asymptomatic, So I'm glad this is happening now.

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Speaker 1: Then during week one, week two, where you're all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you're missing Rodney Hudson three fifths your offensive line,

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Speaker 1: and you know these guys will make a decision. But

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Speaker 1: I think the organization has done a great job bringing

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Speaker 1: in the medical staff and obviously doing enough research. Again,

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Speaker 1: your body, your choice. But we're starting to see more

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Speaker 1: players make that decision, whether they wanted to get more

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Speaker 1: information or because quite frankly, do you want to get

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Speaker 1: tested over one hundred times a year? Do you want

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Speaker 1: to get tested fifteen times a year? I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: your choice, and again, your choice, your body. I get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to judge anybody by that, but I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that guys are listening to the medical staff and

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Speaker 1: what the NFL has put out on how this could

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Speaker 1: be controlled to a certain extent. Again, I thought the

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Speaker 1: NFL learned a lot of lessons last year about week

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Speaker 1: five and six when we started having cancelation about tracing tracings.

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Speaker 1: Huge because now you can find out where the culprit

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Speaker 1: is and if you have three linemen, obviously something transpired

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Speaker 1: there certainly something to follow along And a quick reminder.

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Speaker 1: Bird Gang open practices the first one on Friday, another

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Speaker 1: one on Saturday, and of course for all of your

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