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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with

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Speaker 1: Matt Berninger and Bryce Desner from The National.

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Speaker 2: I'm just playing long with you. I'm just playing in

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Speaker 2: lone with you. Hey, everyone, welcome to the show. I'm

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Speaker 2: Nora and with me Sarah Oda.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Oh how are you? I'm good.

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Speaker 4: Today we have two fantastic musicians in the studio with us,

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Speaker 4: vocalist Matt Berninger and guitarist, piano keyboard player Bryce Destner

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Speaker 4: of The National.

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Speaker 1: The National. We had fun doing this episode. This was

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Speaker 1: another one from our packed La trip. Yeah back in

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Speaker 1: When did we do this? We did this right around

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Speaker 1: the time their album came out, which was April. I

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Speaker 1: want to say May April. It was April. It was

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Speaker 1: Willie's birthday week. Yes, that's right, that's how you remember it.

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Speaker 1: We had a lot of fun. I've been listening to

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Speaker 1: this band for a long time and I was so

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Speaker 1: excited to get to hang. I've met Bryce many times,

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Speaker 1: but I've never met Matt, and it was so fun

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Speaker 1: to hear his voice in the room. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: To set the scene, it was like a pretty tiny

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Speaker 4: little studio space with the piano in there, and there

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Speaker 4: was a TV monitor with a crackling fireplace video like

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Speaker 4: Yeah aulon.

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Speaker 1: If you will in the corner. It was super cozy.

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Speaker 4: Since our self titled debut album in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 4: they've released nine studio albums, including their latest release earlier

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Speaker 4: this year, titled The First Two Pages of Frankenstein.

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Speaker 1: It's a great album. Got to check it out and

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Speaker 1: check their tour dates in case they're in a city

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Speaker 1: near you. They're an incredible live band. I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode. We had a lot of fun. Check

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Speaker 1: it out. Matt Berninger and Bryce Desner from The National,

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Speaker 1: Please enjoy.

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Speaker 5: To make you.

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Speaker 6: Hollered up everybody's way, walk ons almost over teenagers in

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Speaker 6: the house. Try to keep my distance, talking of forgiveness

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Speaker 6: once upon a pool side underneath the lads.

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Speaker 5: What was the way thing you said to me?

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Speaker 6: I'll follow you everywhere while you work the room. Don't

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Speaker 6: know how you do it, tangerine for fun. I'm not

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Speaker 6: doing anyone any kind of favors. Watching everything's lud and

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Speaker 6: sinking to the pavement.

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Speaker 5: What was the wordy thing you said to me?

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Speaker 6: Can keep talking, can stop shaking, can keep track of

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Speaker 6: everything I'm taking?

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Speaker 5: Everything is different. I do a few of the same.

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Speaker 5: Am I ask him for too much? Kenny? What you

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Speaker 5: was saying? What was the worry thing you said to me?

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Speaker 5: I thought we could make it through anything. This is

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Speaker 5: the closest week ever been. I have no idea what.

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Speaker 6: And then is this this whole thing again?

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Speaker 5: Gonna this is the closest we ever being.

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Speaker 6: Don't make this any hard. Everybody's we walk on's on

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Speaker 6: a store teenagers and as try to keep my distance

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Speaker 6: talking of forgiveness once upon a pull side underneath the lads.

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Speaker 5: What was the wordy thing you said to me? I

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Speaker 1: I love hearing you say.

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Speaker 6: I realize that you probably couldn't even hear me sing

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Speaker 7: Like I can hear the room better, so this will

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Speaker 7: be better. No.

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Speaker 1: I love hearing your singing because I've always loved your

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Speaker 1: voice so much.

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Speaker 7: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's so unique and there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of men out there with low voices these days. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, although somebody they did the whole I did an

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Speaker 6: interview about baritones, and I didn't realize it's like Frank

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Speaker 6: all these people are baritones, Like yeah, that's apparently.

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Speaker 1: Sing high a lot they do. Yeah, I try. It

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Speaker 3: Like you've been well, I used to singing pink rabbits.

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Speaker 6: It's funny you hear the old record, I'm singing in

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Speaker 7: Noise the sound come out.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like, don't even think about singing. Just let

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Speaker 1: the sentiment of the lyrics. Think about the lyric, and

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Speaker 7: Don't think about.

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Speaker 6: Notes, don't ever think that's because that's when you're like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you sound funny. Did you sing as

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Speaker 6: No, No, really, no started singing until till well college.

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Speaker 6: I had a band that was like a guided my Voices,

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Speaker 7: But it wasn't ntil till this.

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Speaker 8: Till we got We used my brother and I to say,

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Speaker 3: But they that was working in Project Nim.

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Speaker 8: It was Aaron and I had a little band and

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Speaker 3: Wonder Woman says, we were kind of that's like the

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Speaker 8: We were kind of obsessed with him, and Aaron would

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Speaker 1: Ah, that's so funny. You just had the vibe.

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Speaker 3: He had the vibe he had like, yeah, he had

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Speaker 1: But so how did it actually happen?

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Speaker 3: He could write before he could sing.

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Speaker 8: like like just to handle, we wrote wonder Woman says

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Speaker 8: we didn't write that, okay, but Brian wrote that.

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Speaker 3: Actually Brian writes good lyrics. Or drummer your drummer.

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Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite band rock drummers. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: What does Scott calls him? More machine organic or something.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good way to describe it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's well, in the national he's machine organic.

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Speaker 8: But the minimum you put him on like other kinds

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Speaker 8: a he can do anything. I can play jazz or

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Speaker 1: No, there's a sound for sure, but it's special. So

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Speaker 1: he writes lyrics too.

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Speaker 8: He's he was a book editor in New York in

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Speaker 7: That's me.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't write it. He needs to write more. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: he's he's got other projects. But but he's Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: But lyrics are one of the hardest things ever.

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Speaker 7: I always talk about lyrics.

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Speaker 6: It's like, I mean, seventy five percent of the thought

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but then you kind of edit yourself

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's sometimes you'll try to let go of that,

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Speaker 6: you know, and just like who cares, Like, like, even

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if your heart feels it and you mean it

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Speaker 1: when you're saying it, cliches are okay, Yeah, it's well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like like anybody, like whenever somebody can work

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean I try to avoid the word

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Speaker 6: Sometimes like happens, that's that's the only word that works here.

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Speaker 1: You know exactly. Yeah, And like if you try to

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Speaker 1: change one of those words for something more clever. It

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Speaker 6: It's it's, it is, it's it's mostly it's a trick

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Speaker 7: See what else's last?

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Speaker 6: If I take everything that's awful away, like I try

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Speaker 1: I stopped caring as much until it's time to record

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that is horrible. Let's change that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: no one will ever hear except us. It's the best.

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Speaker 1: Where did you guys record this? Did you record it

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Speaker 8: Most of the recording of this album was done at

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Speaker 8: Hudson and Steveson. But then we also because of like

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Speaker 3: With there were some Berlin sessions.

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Speaker 8: South of France near me, and it kind of and

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Speaker 8: so it's interesting part of the story is that it's

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Speaker 8: tracked a lot of live guitars from stage actually, which

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Speaker 8: is we've never We've always wanted to do and never did.

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Speaker 1: That's cool. You just kind of threw stuff at it

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Speaker 8: Went, yeah, and it kind of gave it a chance

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Speaker 8: had this sort of process in the studio, that's one thing.

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Speaker 8: And then when the songs go on the road, they

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Speaker 8: naturally change and become sort of more full blooded. So

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Speaker 8: this one felt like a good you know, there's some

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Speaker 8: of the songs really do feel live.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean songs are alive, I think, and I

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Speaker 1: think they have they go through different things.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they evolve, and they get they get older, and they.

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Speaker 7: Change a lot.

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Speaker 6: Is I think we've been pretty good about letting our songs.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think it's part of like the type

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Speaker 6: I'm glad I don't have to talk about it anymore.

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Speaker 6: I just have to play it.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I can feel that, the lyric is so

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Speaker 7: It can be medicinal.

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Speaker 7: But I had to.

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Speaker 6: Say this record about Franko zeon Er, this is about

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Speaker 7: Send for me, the.

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Speaker 5: If you ever sitting at the airport and.

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Speaker 6: You don't want to leave, don't even know what you're

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Speaker 10: Please don't forget.

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Speaker 6: Send for me wheneverwhere, Send for me, I'll come and

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Speaker 5: Send for me whenever where.

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Speaker 6: If you ever had a glass top table selling your ideas,

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Speaker 5: See if you're singing in a song music with that

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Speaker 6: Drink and you can't even make eye contact, can he.

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Speaker 5: Even think.

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Speaker 6: Seem for me OneWorld, Send for me, I'll can get you.

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Speaker 6: Sound for me one er world, seem for me, weneverworld,

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Speaker 5: I thought you'd never send for me. Run over, wear out, run.

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Speaker 6: Out, run out, run out to me, Now run out,

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Speaker 6: run out, I'm pulled le a right, run out, run out,

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Speaker 5: Out and run out, run out, run out to me.

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Speaker 6: Now, if you're ever in a Sikia trop greenhouse, will

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Speaker 5: What a smile on the shadow proof wonders, I'll know

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Speaker 6: If you're ever in a gift shop of time inside

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Speaker 5: Love when you haven't seen you, send for me? Will

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00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 5: never aware ever send for me. I'll come and get you.

449
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 5: Send for me, will ever aware?

450
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 10: Send for me?

451
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 5: Will never aware am.

452
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 6: Send for me?

453
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 11: I thought you'd never send for me. Whenever send for me?

454
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 11: Will ever awarever?

455
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: Send for me?

456
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 5: I've come, s been got you send for me?

457
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 9: Will ever awherever?

458
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: That's great. That's a fun one to play, really nice. Yeah,

459
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: that seems like when I want to hear your version anytime.

460
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: I like singing harmony on it. Yeah, it was like

461
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: a it feels good to say those words. It's just

462
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: like special.

463
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, this one is like the comfort Yeah, at the

464
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 6: end of a kind of a I mean, the whole

465
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 6: record is kind of a comfort record honestly, you know.

466
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but this one's where it's like the fever breaks,

467
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: you know.

468
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful. We should jam war. This is fun.

469
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: Let's do another one from the new record? Is that cool?

470
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: Or should we mix it up? Or let's do an

471
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: We're a new record mode.

472
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 7: So this one, let's do This isn't helping, okay, which

473
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 7: is before.

474
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: The Sun's hence the title. Yeah, how does it feel

475
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: talking about all this?

476
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 7: I'm I'm I'm happy to get it out of my system.

477
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like I mean, like I said, there was

478
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 6: no where to talk about this record without talking about it.

479
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: Is it slightly therapeutic to kind of revisit.

480
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 5: It in or not?

481
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: No?

482
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 6: I think it's it'll be good to I think it'll

483
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 6: be good to take the like sing them live and

484
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 6: put in front of people and stuff like that.

485
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's.

486
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 6: These they it's kind of like a wound that needs

487
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 6: some air and sunlight, you know. Yeah, it's like so yeah,

488
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 6: I feel like releasing the record is like finally.

489
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 8: I mean I think, like all your lyrics for me,

490
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 8: that there's this story, the personal story, which felt important.

491
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 8: You know, we've been sharing it because it's what happened

492
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 8: and there's no way around it. But I think that

493
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 8: the work stands apart from it. Also that like many

494
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 8: I mean how much, I think it's also sort of

495
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 8: for us been this. We kind of got away with

496
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 8: it for so many years of sort of just doing

497
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 8: our thing and and it never grabbed us. And then

498
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 8: you know, this was sort of this period of time

499
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 8: where it was hard. But I think that so much,

500
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 8: so much art and so much music, you know, does

501
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 8: have pain in it, but it also has beauty and

502
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 8: it has you know, so that like did I hear

503
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 8: all kinds of other things and these like when I

504
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 8: listened to that song, it doesn't I'm not hearing your.

505
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 3: Depression at all.

506
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, actually, yeah, So I think in probably in

507
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 8: five years and ten years, we'll look back and be like,

508
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 8: oh wait, how.

509
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: Are we doing back then?

510
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: And I remember yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's

511
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: like yeah, or the other.

512
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 8: Thing that's come up in this you know, there's been

513
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 8: every every band member has had their period of you know,

514
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 8: and actually we've.

515
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 7: We've all struggled, I know, everybody else.

516
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 8: I mean there was I had my own sort of

517
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 8: like there was a I was supporting you, but I

518
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 8: was also to rest, you know, that was the pandemic was.

519
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 8: It was a tricky time for me too, just being

520
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 8: so far away from everyone.

521
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 10: Yeah.

522
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I live in France and I was you were

523
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 8: in France. Yeah, it was the longest I've not seen

524
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 8: any of my bandmates or you know.

525
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: My brother or my family.

526
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were isolated over there.

527
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 3: Really isolated.

528
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 8: We already live in the countryside, and it was just

529
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 8: and I think that, Yeah, it was just it was

530
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 8: kind of, you know, a moment of reckoning with a

531
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 8: lot of things, and probably you know, for quite a while,

532
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 8: I was thinking this is probably the end of the band,

533
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 8: and so it was sort of facing that down. That's

534
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 8: very Yeah, yeah, you know, just missing it. But I

535
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 8: was saying, like, you know, we've all we've been a

536
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 8: band for more than twenty years, so we've each you know,

537
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 8: each of us have had our periods where you know,

538
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 8: we've each gone through things, and so there's this kind

539
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 8: of and it's it's woven, whether it's in the lyrics

540
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 8: or not, it's sort of woven into the history of it,

541
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 8: you know, and like a family, you.

542
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, well it is a family.

543
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 9: Yeah right.

544
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 6: The truth is these songs are all about those guys. Really,

545
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 6: it's mostly about their problems. This isn't about me.

546
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: But it must be so weird to be in a

547
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: band for so long and then all live in different places.

548
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: That seems difficult. But I just have to get together.

549
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, we we we lived in the early days, we

550
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 8: were like properly a band and working stuff out in

551
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 8: the rehearsal room. And then but even by Alligator two

552
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 8: thousand and five or so, I remember I lived in

553
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 8: a house with Matt, but we were emailing each other demos,

554
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 8: you know, working.

555
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 7: I used to make him dinner.

556
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 8: I would make him I would make him dinner and

557
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 8: leave it outside his door when he was writing, and

558
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 8: then he would he would open it and he just

559
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 8: pushed it played out like empty.

560
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, but but but yes, it.

561
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 8: Was a period of like we all lived in Brooklyn

562
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 8: on the same street for at least ten years, I think,

563
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 8: you know, we're and it was like a beautiful time,

564
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 8: you know, it was a wonderful And I think that's

565
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 8: part of like missing that, you know it. We'd kind

566
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 8: of we'd been touring so much, we'd gotten so used

567
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 8: to being around each other, but we'd also become sort

568
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 8: of like, you know, like we were phantoms of ourselves,

569
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 8: like we weren't we were there, but we weren't really there,

570
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 8: just sort of going through the motions of being you know,

571
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 8: like just doing what we could do to get by

572
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 8: and play the music.

573
00:28:59,120 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: You know.

574
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 8: But I think this whole process has been sort of

575
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 8: good for us to reconnect with the actual humans, you know,

576
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 8: like with each other and.

577
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: With the Yeah, well it's easy to for it's easy

578
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: to skate over stuff when you're so busy and you know,

579
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: everybody's got family, right and you're playing music on tour

580
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: and there's a schedule to keep up with, and then

581
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: the pandemic just everything stopped and you realized you needed

582
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: that connection I did anyway with people that you know.

583
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 8: The other thing I didn't realize is like like playing

584
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 8: music with people, you know, there's no other nothing replaces it,

585
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 8: you know, Nope, it doesn't. And I don't mean like

586
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 8: playing in front of ten thousand people. I mean actually

587
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 8: just playing three people in a room. There's a there's

588
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 8: it like an energy and a connection.

589
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 6: The wires are literally like cross crossing and the current

590
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 6: like but when we when you send stuff back and forth,

591
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 6: sometimes that that just the electricity you know, of of

592
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 6: different vibes and people are just are mixing at the

593
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 6: same time.

594
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, all it's happening in the same bowl of soup

595
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 7: a little bit.

596
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 8: But that has a harder job because he doesn't have

597
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 8: an instrument to hide behind. But but we love like

598
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 8: just even doing It's like one thing I love is

599
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 8: I playing music in a room with Matt and you

600
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 8: can see if he's reacting physically that it's you know,

601
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 8: like you like see his foot tap.

602
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 6: And we could just move the piano in the front

603
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 6: and I'll just and I'll just hide behind the piano.

604
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: You can just that's what I usually do.

605
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll just be back there, like looking over like

606
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 6: kil Roy with my microphone over, are.

607
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: You playing piano? On a lot of who's playing piano?

608
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 7: And I don't play anything?

609
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: Don't you just want to hide behind?

610
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 7: I just literally underneath.

611
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: It's a good one to hide behind.

612
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 8: Aaron and I play. We both learned piano. I think

613
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 8: actually I was the first to start like fake Empire

614
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 8: was me and that was like the first piano song

615
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 8: on Boxer.

616
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: That's my favorite piano part. It's really hard to cop to.

617
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 7: It.

618
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: It's like chopsticks but with a difficult rhythm.

619
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 5: I'm not even gonna.

620
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that one, and then I was

621
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: trying to learn it, and then I will happily right now,

622
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: yeah to me, after we're doing let's do this news

623
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: song from the new record. This isn't helping.

624
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 7: This isn't helping.

625
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 6: This was about trying everything and just none of that

626
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 6: really working until just time and friendship, I think is

627
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 6: the thing that made it anyway.

628
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 10: Sorry, I cannot believe what you get away with.

629
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: You find beauty and the thing I never you look

630
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 5: down into a sue, you see diamond.

631
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 6: It isn't fair how you know, like you trap It's

632
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 6: if you couldn't care any left. And I'm here kicking

633
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 6: myself to keep from crying. You see you're around cry

634
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 6: But this isn't.

635
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 5: Handling, and it only makes me want to get it

636
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 5: further wrong. This isn't handling and this is a helping.

637
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 6: You can say that this doesn't have to hope get

638
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 6: there if you need to be found. Can't you see

639
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 6: that that makes it's so much worse. I'll always see you.

640
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 6: Maybe in time we can give one more shock. But

641
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 6: let's think of bout what matters now. Keep kicking yourself

642
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 6: to keep from cry.

643
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 5: That you're so bad because this season hand be. I

644
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 5: know you think it's kindness, but it's not. This is

645
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 5: a happy this season, Candy, don't say that all your phone.

646
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 5: I know your back cannot come in. But would your life.

647
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 6: Be so bad.

648
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 5: If you know every single thought I had?

649
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 12: Because I only have two things to say to you,

650
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 12: but you say two things about everything be.

651
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 5: Well, just when I thought you don't even noted me

652
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 5: at this season have been.

653
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 4: Had?

654
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 13: It only makes me want to get further. This season

655
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 13: haven't been. This season have been?

656
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 5: This season haven't been.

657
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 13: And I know you think it's carry its burst now,

658
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 13: this season't have been.

659
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: This is yeah cool, that's cool, Yeah cool.

660
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: Who's singing on that one?

661
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 3: Phoebe Bridges singing from Yeah it sounds great.

662
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 7: Yeah.

663
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: She sings on a couple of songs, that one and

664
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: another one.

665
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, she really she brought in like that sort of

666
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 6: that it needed some like tender tender voices and yeah

667
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 6: real you know, and she's got one of those voices

668
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 6: that just sounds like like a cashmere, you know, sweater

669
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 6: that just feels just really comforting.

670
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 7: So yeah, so you have a lot of these.

671
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 6: There's like my my wife writes with me a lot,

672
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 6: So we've we've incorporated a lot of different vocalists I think,

673
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 6: to give to give songs in like some other layer

674
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 6: of perspective and some other other you know, not literally

675
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 6: another voice, but like metaphorically and other voices coming in

676
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 6: because she writes.

677
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: So much with me, So I like that. And also

678
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: your voice is so deep and manly. It's really such

679
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: a nice juxtaposition to have.

680
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 7: You know, it can lift, it can sometimes.

681
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: They know, I'm not saying you need it.

682
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you need it. I'm just saying it's

683
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: a beautiful. It's a beautiful combo, you know.

684
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 7: Yeah.

685
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we've been really lucky to have so many,

686
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 6: so many Soufian included and stuff.

687
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Stevens.

688
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, we always thought there were like two ways to

689
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 8: do the band one would be just the five of

690
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 8: us and sort of staring at our shoes or whatever,

691
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 8: which there's other bands that do that way better than us,

692
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 8: you know, or to kind of have the wind windows

693
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 8: open and the doors open and let you know, others in.

694
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 8: And it's been since really pretty early on that we've

695
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 8: had like really amazing collaborators and Yeah, and then it

696
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 8: kind of went to it's like Apex and on the

697
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 8: last record where we really Matt kind of handed the

698
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 8: the mic over, where you know, half the songs are

699
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 8: really sung by other people, by women, which is really

700
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 8: like a wonderful album for us. But this record we

701
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 8: wanted to come back to kind of more to what

702
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 8: we do as the five of us. But once we

703
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 8: heard it was sort of.

704
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 9: This song and.

705
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 8: You know, the song once Upontiple Cybersuian sings or the

706
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 8: alkaht wor Tailor sings that we felt like those songs

707
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 8: really felt like they could use we kind of you know,

708
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 8: but we weren't. We didn't plan for it, but just

709
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 8: felt like musically like it really made a lot of

710
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 8: sense to have guests on those.

711
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've actually never wanted to like hide behind like

712
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 6: have other people sing these songs more so than in

713
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 6: this record. But Aaron was like, no, no, let's let's

714
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 6: like I don't want any even to look at me

715
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 6: or you know, I don't want to talk about anything.

716
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 6: And he's like, great, we're going to put a spotlight

717
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 6: on you and like turn you way up.

718
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 7: And yeah, he's right.

719
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 6: He's like he's as kind of really found really a

720
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 6: good way. He's hones in on, like where the emotional

721
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 6: center is like the most you know, it's the most

722
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 6: important part or something. Yeah, and he's like working with

723
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 6: Taylor and working with people like, I think he's really

724
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 6: starting to kind of do that.

725
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 7: More now, you know more. Sometimes I'm like bury me,

726
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 7: and I'd much rather be buried.

727
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: No, but you can't be buried with with lyrics like

728
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: this and emotion like this and a voice like you have.

729
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: It's like, it's the thing if somebody else were to

730
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: sing these.

731
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 7: Songs, Yeah, this one had to be pretty.

732
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: It had to be you. Yeah, you know, it's it's great.

733
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: And when you're talking about Taylor, you're talking about Taylor Swift. Yes,

734
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: just for people she sings on on the album. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

735
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: she said.

736
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 6: A song called the Outcot, which I was writing kind

737
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 6: of about about writing with my wife and stuff and

738
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 6: so and so she kind of came in and brought

739
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 6: in this perspective as a writer who writes, you know,

740
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 6: with collaborates with with people, and and so she she

741
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 6: jumped in and kind of put the other perspective and

742
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 6: wrote all her lines and all her lyrics are just

743
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 6: responding to me.

744
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: I like that at the time.

745
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: I like that that way of writing. Yeah, nice.

746
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 6: And she wrote it really fast and just kind of

747
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 6: listened to what I was saying and then and then

748
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 6: answered back and just get a gay you know, just

749
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 6: just filled in the whole other side of the conversation.

750
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: It was.

751
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: It was very cool.

752
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: It's cool. It's like a real exchange.

753
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 7: Yeah.

754
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you think that collaborating feeds you? I find

755
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: That's what kind of I'm doing this, you know, is

756
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: that I feel like collaborating with other musicians. I can't

757
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: really be in a room just by myself playing only.

758
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: I feed off of that and it informs everything I do.

759
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: And like even learning your songs today, you know, who

760
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: knows what's going to pop out in the future from

761
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: certain chord changes that I'm putting together, listening to your songs.

762
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: You know, I just find that it's my favorite thing

763
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's the most exciting thing to me musically.

764
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: Has been lucky to bounce around like that.

765
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 6: We've been able to collaborate with so deeply with people

766
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 6: like souf Yaan and Phoebe and Taylor, but then also

767
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 6: like the Grateful Dead, you guys like you know, like

768
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 6: the two thirds of our band, like was you know,

769
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 6: played with Bob Weird for for several months of a

770
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 6: tour and.

771
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: Like, wait, I didn't know that.

772
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you not heard our six hours?

773
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 5: I'm sorry you.

774
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: We probably called you for it, but we couldn't get

775
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: through the walls.

776
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 5: I didn't know about that.

777
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's we'll let We'll let you. We'll list

778
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 8: leave that in the air so you can go here.

779
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 8: But yeah, we made it for the Red Hot charity.

780
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 8: They did a thing called Day of the Dead, which

781
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 8: was yeah, big sprawling, Grateful Dead tribute records.

782
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: We had some spare time.

783
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 6: So but then like I remember, like I think collaborating

784
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 6: with Kim and Kelly Deal like was also one of

785
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 6: those like oh, there's like all kinds of ways to

786
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 6: think about song.

787
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 8: It's to learn you know, it's wonderful to hear like

788
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 8: how you phrase and how you like how you'll take

789
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 8: a chord and just voice it differently or you know,

790
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 8: it's every time that happens. And I think probably for

791
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 8: my brother and I because we're not you know, the

792
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 8: lead singer or like, it's it's just by nature of

793
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 8: being twins and being born collaborators. It's kind of that

794
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 8: is the thing basically that music is. And yeah, it's

795
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 8: also the thing that music is something that's we're better

796
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 8: you know, not in isolation for the most part, you know,

797
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 8: And so yeah, that's yeah, but that that thing is

798
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 8: like always learning, Like even I love, you know, working

799
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 8: with people who are really different, who are not coming

800
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 8: you know, coming from a totally different you Always there's

801
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 8: always something, even if it feels sort of uncomfortable at first,

802
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 8: there's always something to be to be found, you know.

803
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 8: So yeah, like or like it could be processed, or

804
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 8: it could be something they're doing with technology or something

805
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 8: that you know, yeah that you know.

806
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: I used to sort of think, oh, technology, it's not

807
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: real music. I mean, I'm completely on the other side

808
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: of that now. There's no wrong way to do music,

809
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: and there's there's always something to learn, no matter how

810
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: good you are. You know what I mean. It's the best.

811
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing. Did you guys want to try

812
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: that song? You made this song for a movie.

813
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 7: Made a song for well, this wasn't in the play.

814
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 3: This is for Serrah No the movie.

815
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 9: This was in the movie, right, and it actually was.

816
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 7: It was it was. It was the title sequence at

817
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 7: the end of the movie.

818
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: And it's never been played.

819
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: You've never played it, no, oh no.

820
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 8: And in fact, the version we wrote it Matt and

821
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 8: I on guitar and that, and then the version of

822
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 8: the movie is with piano, so we could yeah.

823
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: We could try it.

824
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: I like, I want you to take the lead on

825
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 1: it so I can sprinkle a little.

826
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 8: The film is Syrraho where we it's a it's actually

827
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 8: a musical, and we wrote all the songs Oh my god, yeah,

828
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 8: and which was yeah.

829
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 7: Hayley Bennett sing all the songs.

830
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's so crazy. It was a crazy experience. Joe

831
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 8: Wright directed it and I know him.

832
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 7: Yeah.

833
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: It was like a beautiful Yeah.

834
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 6: It was a lot that has a long, like really

835
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 6: fun creative adventure through through you know, New York theater

836
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 6: and then into in the film and then you were

837
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 6: there when they shot it in Italy, right, you were

838
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 6: during COVID.

839
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, and this song was like.

840
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 8: We wrote like we would write a national song, and

841
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 8: then it just made sense for to put at the

842
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 8: end of this film.

843
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: I think that's great. What I'm also what a fun

844
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: experience to do that different?

845
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 8: Yeah too, it was it was like for years of

846
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 8: just writing songs for ourselves and sending to write songs

847
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 8: for other people to sing was not not the easiest leap,

848
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 8: but we it was really fun.

849
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

850
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, the biggest challenge was like trying to

851
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 6: write for all the literally different characters and also moving

852
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 6: story along and trying.

853
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: To like and that that's a totally different way.

854
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: Parst of my.

855
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 6: Songs are such collage bits and pieces, but to like

856
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 6: have you know, write with conversations back and forth and like,

857
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 6: you know, moving it moving up a plot points along

858
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 6: inside songs.

859
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, because like it was was really fun and challenging.

860
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: But I might call you. I might be working on

861
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: a musical, so I might help me.

862
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 10: What do I do?

863
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an it's an advanture, it's a call. Yeah, Yeah,

864
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: I have some good advice about that. Okay, I try this.

865
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, M.

866
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 5: What can I say anything? It never has no means.

867
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 5: I can't read them, can't speak. I don't know what

868
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 5: I feel.

869
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: That wasn't me.

870
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 5: I don't know who that was.

871
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 6: That was somebody desperate, someone in love. Why can't I

872
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 6: tell anybody the truth? I'm somebody desperate.

873
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 7: I don't know what to do.

874
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 5: You have no d do, but I do. I just

875
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 5: don't know what to say because I'm so so afraid.

876
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 6: That was in me.

877
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 5: I don't know who that was.

878
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 6: That was somebody desperate, someone in love. Why can't I

879
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 6: te anybody the truth? Somebody desperate, somebody just like you.

880
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 5: No, you won't on the stand, but go away through.

881
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 6: But sometimes I think, Yo, my twins, Sometimes I'm so confused.

882
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 5: I wasn't me. I don't know who that was.

883
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 6: That was somebody desperate, someone in load. Why can't I

884
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 6: tell anybody the truth? I'm somebody desperately. Don't know what

885
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 6: to do, just don't want a little.

886
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: That was pretty?

887
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 7: That was great, right?

888
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah?

889
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 3: The version never played before And you've never done this live. No,

890
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: you've never played it in the same room.

891
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: Oh really, you recorded it?

892
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: Kind of you send a Guitar Party.

893
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: This came out. That movie came out not like during

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Speaker 1: the pandemic era.

895
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, in the pandemic and and shot in the pandemic.

896
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Speaker 9: Oh yeah yeah.

897
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 8: I think people will come to it over time. It's

898
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 8: it's beautiful. Peter Dinglish is like amazing.

899
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Speaker 1: He's incredible, you know.

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00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: He's like such a well.

901
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: I think it's such a cool I didn't see it,

902
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: but I did read about it, and it's such a

903
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: cool idea to remake that story.

904
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Speaker 7: You and Aaron performed live with him on what television show?

905
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 7: It was a Colbert.

906
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Speaker 8: He's saying, Peter has a remarkably similar range vocally to Matt,

907
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 8: which was like a terrible handicap for him at first

908
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 8: because he was so like, because he loves Matt, It's

909
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 8: just like I just selling Mat but not as good.

910
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 8: But eventually he started to kind of find his own

911
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 8: way with So we wrote these songs with Matt and

912
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 8: then gave him the Peter and then yeah, he just

913
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 8: inhabited this character.

914
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Speaker 6: I remember I kept saying, like, I like, don't sing,

915
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 6: don't even I mean, like the notes are there, but

916
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 6: like you like, just like I think I'm more I

917
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 6: feel like I'm acting more than I am singing.

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Speaker 7: You know, I don't think like if you start thinking

919
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 7: about your voice, like we.

920
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: Were saying, yeah you embody, those sounds weird.

921
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Speaker 6: So most of the time I'm just I'm actually just

922
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 6: trying to like sing as little as possible and just

923
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 6: be genuine inside the content.

924
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Speaker 7: Of the words you or whatever.

925
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it'll naturally, you know, fallow a melody. So

926
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Speaker 6: I think really getting him to not worry about his

927
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Speaker 6: singing at all was was the thing.

928
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Speaker 7: I think.

929
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Speaker 3: Enough actually sing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a non singer trying to sing, and

931
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Speaker 1: you're like, don't think about singing. It's like it's probably bad.

932
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Speaker 8: Words for theaters, like a great stage actor. He comes

933
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 8: from New York theater and so, and he was doing

934
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 8: this thing like naturally to like sing to the back

935
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 8: of the room, you know, in film, because it's they

936
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Speaker 8: can make it up. So it's like sort of convincing

937
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 8: him that like the softer sounds and his voice were

938
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 8: also interesting, and so he kind of started to really

939
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 8: inhabit these more interior which is what Matt does, you know,

940
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Speaker 8: instead of just like projecting all the time. It's like

941
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Speaker 8: some of the softer sounds are good, and but it

942
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Speaker 8: was interesting as a musical, you know, the Nationals. It

943
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Speaker 8: was like the best version of that I think that

944
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 8: we could do. But obviously our our music is not

945
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Speaker 8: the sort of like full hearted Broadway sound or whatever.

946
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Speaker 1: It was very different.

947
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Speaker 8: It tends to be what people expect out of a

948
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 8: film musical as a sort of like show numbers, you know,

949
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Speaker 8: and so this is this very understated version of that.

950
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Speaker 1: You know.

951
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's somewhere between between with the Tom Waits Black

952
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 6: Writer and Le Mis or somewhere between those in terms

953
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 6: of the musical.

954
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 8: But there's some really like we're really quite proud of

955
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 8: a bunch of the songs in it, and this one

956
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 8: was like a sort of interesting one where it kind

957
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 8: of like we did it and sort of forgot about it.

958
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 8: And when you asked us to do this podcast, I

959
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 8: thought we could do that songs we've never done it.

960
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun to do stuff that you forget about.

961
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Speaker 6: Speaking of things we've forgotten about, this is you wanted

962
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 6: to do a CEO love which which ever done like

963
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 6: an acoustic version.

964
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Speaker 3: No, but we're happy to try.

965
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: Let's try it. I love this song and I thought

966
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: it could be cool stripped back, And I also loved

967
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: the idea of singing maybe maybe the verse and then

968
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Speaker 1: and then you want me to step out for maybe

969
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: maybe just for the first and then, but you got

970
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: to come back in on the the rest of it

971
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: pretty much, So you want me to stay out in

972
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: the I don't know, and I don't know what the.

973
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: Switch that you this is trouble will find me, which

974
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: is ten years old.

975
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

976
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 7: Come in on. I see people on the floor, I

977
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 7: see people.

978
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: Maybe, Yeah, definitely come in there. Also, I'll need a

979
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: little help, but I kind of feel like, yeah.

980
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: Let's just try whatever.

981
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think definitely come in there. Definitely be in

982
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, because I'll be in with you and

983
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: it'll be cool. I just want to sing in octaves

984
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: with you so bad because I never get to sing

985
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: with someone with a voice as low as yours, and

986
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: it's it's really special for me.

987
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, yeah verse that' that'd be great. Okay, Okay,

988
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: we got it, we do got it.

989
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: This is actually really my heart's like racing a little bit.

990
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: It's so fun.

991
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 14: Oh we say love me jump Parma supposed to no.

992
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 5: Where you go and.

993
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 14: Ways word of mass supposed.

994
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 9: To say, I see people on the floor. They slid

995
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 9: into the.

996
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 5: See can't stay here round. We're sending to fie.

997
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 6: If I stay here, trouble find me. If I stay here,

998
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 6: I believe.

999
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 5: If I stay tru find me, I believe. Should always

1000
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 5: think of you as coming the child who knew. Mm

1001
00:53:50,719 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 5: hmmm this was never going a life. Old Joe, you

1002
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 5: feel so fat?

1003
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 15: Hey Joe, Sia Hurdship. They say love is a merch

1004
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 15: You don't thing, hey, jo Sia Hurship. They say love

1005
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 15: is a virtue. Don't he job, Sarah Hurshiper. They said

1006
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 15: love is a virt you tell thing, Hey, Joe, Sara Hurdship.

1007
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 5: They said love is a virtue, tell't thing?

1008
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 9: Some people love the floor.

1009
00:54:52,840 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 16: They slam to the see can't stay here? Meeting them to.

1010
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 5: I see you Russian? Then tell me how to reach you?

1011
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 9: I see you Russian?

1012
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 5: Then what if har I teach you? I see you Russian?

1013
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 5: That tell me how to reach you?

1014
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 9: I see you Russian?

1015
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 5: Then what did I have to teach you?

1016
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 6: I tried su tell.

1017
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 5: Me how to reach you.

1018
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: I tried to see.

1019
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 9: What did ham to teach you?

1020
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 5: I try.

1021
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: Tell me how to.

1022
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 5: I tried what in habit teach you? I see.

1023
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 14: Tell me Heaven beat a frig mans.

1024
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: That feel pretty really good. That's super good. Yeah, good,

1025
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: we did it. That's cool.

1026
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: Yay, that was fun.

1027
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: It's good to work on something and now we don't.

1028
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 12: Have to hear it for tour.

1029
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1030
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: I know you're good and you can do your acoustic.

1031
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: Version now and we want to do it, like perform

1032
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 3: it now. You can call you and you like come

1033
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,479
Speaker 3: join us on stage on dis Yeah.

1034
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 7: That was awesome. That was great.

1035
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: That was fun. Thanks for letting me sing it with you.

1036
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1037
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, are you available as a session musician because you're

1038
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 8: really good.

1039
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm always available, just so you know.

1040
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 3: I don't believe it.

1041
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: I love doing that stuff.

1042
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: Really, I'm down.

1043
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make music anytime.

1044
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll call you.

1045
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this so fun, so fun. I love

1046
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: you guys. It was awesome and I want to come

1047
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: see you now. Look me up in New York. I'm around.

1048
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing it. We brought it. I think it's great. Yeah,

1049
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. That was a great episode. We had

1050
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: so much fun. That was beautiful. Matt's voice is so

1051
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: deep and pensive, all of it.

1052
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 4: The music, the lyrics really sets a mood that you

1053
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 4: can just kind of wallow in, you know what I mean?

1054
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, totally. Thanks to Matt and Bryce for

1055
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: making it work out. Songs from this episode were Once

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Speaker 1: Upon a Pool side from the first two pages of

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Speaker 1: Frankenstein their new album Send for Me, also from that album,

1058
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Speaker 1: This Isn't Helping, also from that album, Somebody Desperate from

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Speaker 1: the Sierra No soundtrack in two thousand and one, and

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Speaker 1: See of Love from Trouble Will Find Me, the twenty

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Speaker 1: thirteen national album. Don't Forget to like and subscribe us.

1062
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Speaker 1: Please please like us, Please like and subscribe to us.

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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded at Night Bird Recording Studios, Los Angeles, California.

1064
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Speaker 1: Recorded by Colton Lakey, assisted by Greg Buchanan, and mixed

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00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: by Jamie Landry. Edited by Sarah Oda. Additional engineering by

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00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: Greg Tobler and Pete rem artwork by Eliza Frye. Photography

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Speaker 1: by Shervin Linez, Coordinating producer Rachel Ward. Produced by Norah

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Speaker 1: Jones and Sarah Oda. Thanks for listening, y'all,