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Speaker 1: Put us up. Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets The Podcast. Give us like three minutes,

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Speaker 1: three minutes to talk about the new KBO signings that

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Speaker 1: the Mets made, a couple of them. Trevor May is

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Speaker 1: coming to you in five minutes. Max, We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about these guys. Got to give James forty five seconds

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Speaker 1: to a minute to talk about Brandon Wadell. We got

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Speaker 1: to talk about Jared Young. Where do you want to

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Speaker 1: start first, James, I think first one.

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Speaker 2: Just give me like a quick quick Brandon wad del

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Speaker 2: spiel go Brandon wa Dell with the last night pitching

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Speaker 2: the majors, which is a few years ago now. He

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Speaker 2: had three pitches that were above average in terms of

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Speaker 2: stuff plus including a high slot, high riding fastball from

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Speaker 2: a lefty, which is rare. You don't see it every day.

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Speaker 2: So I think that alone makes a bit of an

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Speaker 2: out liars as a starting pitcher around. I think it

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Speaker 2: was a split deal or a minor league I don't

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Speaker 2: remember his minor league major league deal. His gyroslide was

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Speaker 2: nice and his change up was good enough and a

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Speaker 2: big thing about when pictures go to the KBO they

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Speaker 2: talk a lot about change up development. I know Eric

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Speaker 2: Vetti talked about that specifically as something that kind of

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Speaker 2: defined his re emergence in Major League baseball, going to

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Speaker 2: KBO and making his change up better. His change up

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Speaker 2: was already good, and the fastball already has a nice

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Speaker 2: upward action. If he gets more depth on that fastball

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Speaker 2: and kills some more vert I think you literally have

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Speaker 2: a guy with three plus pitches who could either be

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Speaker 2: legitimately a high leverage lefty reliever or a back end

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Speaker 2: rotation starter, which is a great place for the Mets

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Speaker 2: to shop in a cheap, bullshit deal like this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I loved it anytime you're getting these guys,

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Speaker 1: especially for how cheap they are for absolutely nothing, and

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Speaker 1: they were basically playing in for a baseball always interested

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Speaker 1: in that. Brindwadell was interesting too. He played for the Rakutin.

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Speaker 1: I believe they're the Golden Monkeys, which is in the

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Speaker 1: Chinese Premier base or Chinese Professional Baseball League, which is insane.

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Speaker 1: I respect a guy who's willing to just go anywhere

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Speaker 1: to play in baseball and get the bag, and it

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Speaker 1: is a major league deal.

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Speaker 3: Just double check.

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Speaker 2: So it's a major league deal for Brandon Wondell be

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Speaker 2: in spring training to the major league team. I guess

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Speaker 2: they're anticipating him to be another guy in the back

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Speaker 2: of this either rotation or mix between the rotation and

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Speaker 3: Prove himself.

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Speaker 2: And again this is this is part of the Mets

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Speaker 2: new mantra with the front office, David Stern everything. We're

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Speaker 2: looking for traits more than production now, which is the

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Speaker 2: way that smart teams shop and operate. I think that's

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Speaker 2: also true with the other new Met Jared Young. This

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Speaker 2: is another move. It just screams Dodgers to me. This

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Speaker 2: is the Mets trying to find the next Max Munsey,

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Speaker 2: where like, here's a guy who can play all over

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Speaker 2: the diamond nowhere super well, hits the ball hard. He

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Speaker 2: hit the ball really hard. Tripley last year hit the

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Speaker 2: ball one hundred fourteen point five miles an hour. Had

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a season two years ago with

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Speaker 2: the Cubs, had like two good weeks and all kind

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Speaker 2: of fell apart again. But it's someone who again the

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Speaker 2: play this one isn't great, but you see the potential

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Speaker 2: for actual power, and that's something that is important when

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Speaker 2: you're signing a split deal. For a guy just been

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Speaker 2: half a season the KBO.

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Speaker 1: And you said, I think, like at triple A hit

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Speaker 1: the ball one fifteen, right, so love fourteen point five.

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Speaker 1: He had just one fourteen point five, So he hits

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Speaker 1: the ball hard. If you look at what he's been

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Speaker 1: able to play the last couple of years defensively first base,

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Speaker 1: left field, right field, third base. So he's a corner guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find monthly that's what this is. He's

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Speaker 1: technic if you want to even keep doing the monthsy thing.

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Speaker 1: He's even played second bases recently, That's what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: and left you bad.

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Speaker 2: You always want to let the back of the platoon

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's a guy who I think when he

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Speaker 1: got called up with the Cubs, originally I want to say,

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Speaker 1: because my friend Antonio was the Cubs fan was like

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Speaker 1: he came up in like two triples in like his

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Speaker 2: He had like two really good weeks, and I remember

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Speaker 2: I was in some deep fancy baseball leagues. I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna snack this guy. He has power, he has

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Speaker 2: speed seventy fifth percentile sprint speed. He was murdering the

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Speaker 2: I think actually had some games against the Mets, which

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Speaker 1: But he's also a major league contract as well, which

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Speaker 1: those things.

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Speaker 2: I think it was a split contract.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, split because Baseball Reference, I'm seeing majors right

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Speaker 1: now for him.

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Speaker 2: But I could, man, I know there was some There

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Speaker 2: was some disputes over that. There was also another dispute

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Speaker 2: on Twitter today over whether or not the Mets signed

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Speaker 2: Alex Rayes, and it has not been resolved yet so

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Speaker 2: he can't talk about that actually. But for me about

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Speaker 2: the draft, neck mark Alex Reyes, right, I played against

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Speaker 2: So that was fun too.

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Speaker 1: Dude was like sixteen years old. I was like fourteen.

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Speaker 1: I was catching a bullpen next to where he was throwing,

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Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh my god, this is

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Speaker 2: He was a big deal in Union County in New

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Speaker 2: Jersey in like two thousand and eight, the huge deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was at Elizabeth, got bad grades, got

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Speaker 1: kicked off the baseball team. Shout out mister Belford, coach

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Speaker 1: Bellford for kicking him off because of bad grades. Kicked

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Speaker 1: him off quotation marks there, went back to Dominican, instantly

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Speaker 1: signed a professional baseball contract. So I think we know

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Speaker 1: what was going on there, but we have a source off.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see if Aaron Layton's right or who is

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Speaker 1: the other guy who's saying that he's incorrect?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: You Gomez who helped us with the jor he Lopez

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Speaker 2: translation last year when Steve Gelips kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: Batch it a little bit. But enough of that. That's

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Speaker 1: all I told you. We're under five minutes. I think

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Speaker 1: that might have been three forty five. Dodgers, Yeah, Dodgers

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Speaker 1: moves Kbo Alex Reyes. Let's go talk to Trevor May now,

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Speaker 1: all right, so we're now joined by former Mets reliever

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Speaker 1: Trevor May. You guys see him on his YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: You see him over on foul Territory sometimes talking baseball.

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Speaker 1: He stepped away and he still can't get enough of it. Trevor,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. First off, congratulations,

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Speaker 1: just had a baby recently. How's fatherhood going?

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Speaker 4: It's the best. They say you change when you become

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Speaker 4: a dad, and that is that is true.

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Speaker 3: No, he's he's wonderful.

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Speaker 4: I he's sleeping well, thank god, had no complaints. I

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Speaker 4: mean he's he can't move yet though, so I'm sure

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Speaker 4: though complaints will come. But it's it's been. It's been

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Speaker 4: phenomenal except the one thing I love, editing video has

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Speaker 4: it's just, you know, it's part of it. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: other than that though, it's great.

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Speaker 3: Man. I get up every morning excited to see him.

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Speaker 1: So have you been trying to get him to pick

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Speaker 4: Oh, I always put it on his left hand, left side.

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Speaker 4: He's got the grip of a like a like it's

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Speaker 3: The guy is. The guy is huge already too.

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Speaker 4: He's like eighteen are just under eighteen pounds, He's only

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Speaker 4: like eleven weeks old.

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Speaker 3: Sow. Yeah, he's a big boy. He's definitely my son.

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Speaker 2: Sure you said you said you changed in fatherhood. How

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Speaker 2: how have you changed so far in your short stind

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Speaker 4: Well, you you learn patients quick. You learn like to

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Speaker 4: and then that's what's been interesting to me. But it's

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Speaker 4: just body fluid grosses me out. I hate it, like,

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Speaker 4: I think it's just because you can see us, because

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Speaker 4: well I'm happy too, Bud. But yeah, a lot that

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Speaker 4: Then you can't really imagine him not he being here,

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Speaker 4: which is weird. It's yeah, I lived for thirty four

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Speaker 3: Like that's that's kind of stuff that pops in your

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Speaker 3: but it's great.

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Speaker 1: Definitely unrelatable for us right now as some younger podcasters

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Speaker 1: here in New York City big Mets fans. Of course,

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Speaker 1: a lot of thing has gone on in the Mets world,

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Speaker 1: specifically Wan Soto A little bit of a zoom out here,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily so much Mets focused, But how do you

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Speaker 1: think the Wan Soto signing will change the league future contracts, extensions,

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Speaker 1: Like there's feels like there's so much outside of just

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Speaker 1: what it'll do for the Mets. What do you think

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Speaker 1: it will do for Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 4: That's really interesting because he might have broken some stuff

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Speaker 4: to the point where so usually have free agency works

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Speaker 4: or like or precedents are set, they're set to be broken.

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Speaker 3: His is not.

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Speaker 4: Like there's nobody i think even involved, including Steve Cohen,

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Speaker 3: We're he's we're beyond, We're beyond on the field value.

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Speaker 3: Now we just are.

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Speaker 4: There's just no way that you're you can be this

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Speaker 4: much more money than Shoeo Toney.

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Speaker 3: You just can't.

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Speaker 4: Because he's got Japan. You don't have Japan, like and

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Speaker 4: so it wasn't it became not about that at that point.

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Speaker 4: So now what he pushed the ceiling into the stratosphere.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's I don't think there's a ton

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Speaker 3: So we'll see, we'll see what happens. But man, well

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Speaker 4: He to be honest though, taxes right, he needs he needs,

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Speaker 2: I feel like this solo contract kind of made the

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Speaker 4: To be honest, I was a little bit surprised when

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Speaker 3: He's not George. Now, it would be awesome to see

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Speaker 3: Steven George go ahead to head. That would have been awesome.

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Speaker 4: If Steve Cohen is around in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 3: It's just not the not the not the same thing.

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Speaker 4: So unfortunately for the Yankees fans, if this is, if

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Speaker 1: What does the Wan Soto contract do for the vibes

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Speaker 1: Does that have any effect on the clubhouse whatsoever?

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Speaker 4: You know? I I don't know. I think that as

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Speaker 4: we weren't. It wasn't like a hierarchy like that. He

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Speaker 4: know he's a good person. I don't think that getting

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Speaker 4: He'll do it, I just don't think he will search

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Speaker 4: That is very, very apparent when you meet him. So

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Speaker 4: I think it's a perfect situation. I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: Get paid for it.

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Speaker 4: Like they've they've been the lower paid guys on the

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Speaker 4: think there's more pressure on I mean, there's lots pressure

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Speaker 3: I think it it's but it is something.

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Speaker 3: I would be worried about it.

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Speaker 2: You came to the mess that same offseason as Lindor

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Speaker 4: Kind of Usually yeah, well, it tends to be the

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Speaker 4: be where he is, He wants to be bought in

436
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Speaker 4: where he is. And I get it. I wanted that

437
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,879
Speaker 4: more than anything. I just never got to do it.

438
00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,520
Speaker 4: And I know he loves living ear. I know he

439
00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,560
Speaker 4: loves being a met. The issue with that is when

440
00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,720
Speaker 4: you sign, when you let a guy who you had

441
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,399
Speaker 4: for six years get to free agency and then you

442
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,000
Speaker 4: have to try to negotiate with him again.

443
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,000
Speaker 3: That almost never happens.

444
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,960
Speaker 4: I'm I'm kind of annoyed with the Orioles letting Burns

445
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,560
Speaker 4: go like you had the end. He could have been

446
00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,359
Speaker 4: your ace forever you need one. What the hell are

447
00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,439
Speaker 4: you doing? It's different in New York, right, they were

448
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,439
Speaker 4: going for Sodo. I understand it's bad timing for Pete,

449
00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,840
Speaker 4: but but if that reclamation project kind of deal were

450
00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,159
Speaker 4: the thing he has to do, that is something he

451
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,560
Speaker 4: could do with the Mets, and I think that would

452
00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,920
Speaker 4: be it would be disappointing, But I think that he'll

453
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,639
Speaker 4: reclaim He'll get an opportunity to reclaim his value and

454
00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,160
Speaker 4: still make you know, twenty five million dollars a year ago. Right,

455
00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,919
Speaker 4: He's gonna get that. It's just how long he's thirty.

456
00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 4: He's the first baseman, and there's just not as many

457
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,239
Speaker 4: teams looking to pay for that when they can go

458
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,640
Speaker 4: get a guy for much cheaper in like Paul Goldschmith,

459
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,440
Speaker 4: who might just be Paul Goldschman of old randomly and

460
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 4: will be cheaper than so. I think that and he

461
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,040
Speaker 4: hasn't gone anywhere, so it's like nobody has nobody has

462
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,440
Speaker 4: so so unfortunately, the teams in need for his basement

463
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,920
Speaker 4: are just notoriously terrible making a goddamn decision. I'm talking

464
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,159
Speaker 4: to the Mariners like he makes all the sense in

465
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 4: the in the world for them. I bet you they

466
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 4: haven't even spoken like. It wouldn't surprise me one bit

467
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 4: if it was like, oh, you're you're ten times too

468
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,880
Speaker 4: much and you're like what Uh so that's the deal,

469
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 4: I think, but uh and it's feeling that way. It's feeling.

470
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 4: Remember Blake stew We're like, we're who's talking to Blake? Yep,

471
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,880
Speaker 4: it's spring training? What are we doing?

472
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 3: And then he signed a you know, an opt out

473
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Speaker 3: every year. That was weird.

474
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Speaker 4: I think Pete's kind of in that trade artory little

475
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 4: bit too right now. And it doesn't help that Scott's

476
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 4: his agent because teams assume he wants a ten year deal.

477
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:08,919
Speaker 4: It's just an assumption.

478
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 2: So you brought up Corbyn Burns a little while ago,

479
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,120
Speaker 2: and he's someone who's weird because for all in tens

480
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 2: of purposes, he's by far the best pitcher on this market.

481
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: He's been a sign contender for basically the last five

482
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 2: years one of the best pitchers in baseball, and the

483
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 2: pitching market seems to have schisms where a bunch of

484
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 2: guys signed immediately right off the bat.

485
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 1: You got the big deal for Free, the big deal for.

486
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Speaker 2: Snell, and now Burns. It feels like there's no connections

487
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 2: Manaiah Flairy completely dead, silent. Well, you think it is

488
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 2: about Corbyn Burns that doesn't have teams jumping in him

489
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 2: the same way they did for Snell and Free, then

490
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 2: where is that line if there is one demarcation between

491
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 2: jumping for these pitchers right away and now playing this

492
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 2: waiting game through January February, which it seems like it

493
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 2: might go again.

494
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Speaker 3: I know.

495
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 4: One big red flag in this is something that we

496
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 4: noted quite a bit on all the other things that

497
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,360
Speaker 4: I do last year was just the way his strikeout

498
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 4: rate was lower and his contact rate was up. It

499
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 4: was in hard contact. He was still getting guys out

500
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 4: and going deep into games, but he was definitely like

501
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 4: kind of feeling more like an innings eater than a

502
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 4: NAIs and the when it trends that way, the same

503
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,959
Speaker 4: thing with Pete, Like Pete still hit thirty something home runs, right,

504
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 4: But like if his ex of you low I have

505
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 4: an average goes down three miles an hour, You're like,

506
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 4: it's gonna go from thirty you know what, he.

507
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: Hit thirty three or something like that, thirty.

508
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 4: Four, it's gonna go from thirty four to sixteen like

509
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 4: randomly one year. Like that's what everyone's trying to avoid.

510
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: The same thing with with with Burns. They don't want

511
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 4: him to go to a six to nine k rate

512
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 4: guy all of a sudden where he's got to rely

513
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 4: on you know, he's going into aging pitcher mode early,

514
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 4: and he's probably looking for an eight year deal or

515
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 4: something seven eight year old deal, and it's not profiling

516
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 4: that way. Max Freed, on the other hand, is younger,

517
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 4: is left handed and throws eighty pitches different kinds of mission.

518
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 4: So and he strikes guys out at a higher clip,

519
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 4: and then you know we've blake. I was just gonna

520
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 4: pun He's gonna punch it all for night. Yeah, Like he's

521
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 4: a he's a I'm gonna throw no hitter and I'm

522
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 4: gonna strike out sixteen. Like that's a takeover of the

523
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 4: game type of guy. And he's already's starting to kind

524
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 4: of shake off that island throw a five innings thing too.

525
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 4: The longer he's away from the rays, the more he's

526
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 4: gonna be able to pitch, and he wants to so

527
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 4: like he people feel like he's an ace more than burns,

528
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 4: which is weird if we look at.

529
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 3: The results of the less hundred starts from both of them.

530
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 4: He takes burns every day, but like his they people

531
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 4: are afraid his dominance. They don't want to be holding

532
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 4: the bag when the dominance goes away. And uh, there

533
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 4: were some trends that are that are concerning. But that said,

534
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 4: I think he's fine. I just think, in my honest opinion,

535
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 4: I just think he threw too many curveballs or he

536
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 4: threw too many sliders and need to throw more curveballs.

537
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 4: Skirball is better. His slider was hit more, and that's

538
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 4: they threw a slider thirty percent time for surveball fifteen

539
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 4: percent time. Just flip them, man, they're the same pitch

540
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 4: kind of so just throw the one that gets the

541
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 4: swings messes more for the strikeouts. He just was getting

542
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 4: ground balls on O two instead of swings and messes.

543
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 4: It wasn't a big deal for me, but you have

544
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 4: to look really deep. So that's the type of thing

545
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 4: I think that's going on with with with Corbyn and

546
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 4: the difference with Snell and Freed. And then then he's the

547
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 4: only one left. So now everyone's like, oh, are we

548
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 4: about to get into a big biding work because he's

549
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 4: the only one left in the tier one? It's everything

550
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 4: who's going to start. But once it starts, it'll go fast,

551
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 4: or or one day we'll just be oh, he's signed

552
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 4: with the Cubs, what the hell?

553
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: Or something I just throw out a team I don't

554
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 3: the Cubs.

555
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just trade Bellinger. I don't know if they're

556
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: going to be spend that money on Burns right now.

557
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: They wanted to get arguably worse. But with the Mets

558
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: and Mets fans in general, I feel like everybody is

559
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: clamoring from to get an ace. Obviously from like a

560
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: team building perspective from the outside looking in. I'm sure

561
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: from the front office too. You love to have that

562
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: front line starter, that stopper. From the player's perspective, does

563
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: it make a difference with how you guys feel in

564
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: the ballpark, knowing that every five days you do have

565
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: like and of course not gonna be the Jake to

566
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: Gram type, but even sure As or Verlin or are

567
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: those guys that step down one point? Like is that

568
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: a noticeable difference? Is there a different kind of feeling

569
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: when those guys are on the mound?

570
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely having a guy if you just get one

571
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 4: where you're like, we are confident there's seven, it'll be

572
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 4: crazy if he throws lesson seven or less than six.

573
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 3: Right, So you're like, we can.

574
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 4: Count on if the fireman, the setup guy, and then

575
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 4: the ninth inning guy are all health are all not healthy,

576
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 4: well healthy, but also rested, like they're just gonna pay,

577
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 4: They're go to them and they're gonna hand it off.

578
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 4: We kind of can see the how this thing play out.

579
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 4: Then and get a rookie, You're like, I have no

580
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: idea I could be up in the second, be up

581
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 4: in the sixth. There's a certain level of like, you know,

582
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 4: anxiety that you don't want to have every single night.

583
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 4: And that's kind of why a lot of teams that

584
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: run that out in the playoffs and do like the

585
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 4: bullpen thing, they run out of steam is because it's

586
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 4: just it's so taxing mentally on top of physically. Uh

587
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: to have to be prepared every moment of every game

588
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 4: and then just try to run the same pitchers out

589
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 4: against the same team for five games. Like it's just

590
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 4: really hard to do that, but you burn out. So

591
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: having a guy who eats heats it. There's a reason

592
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 4: that Jordan Lyle's hanging around, hung around for so long,

593
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 4: is still probably hanging around. I haven't earn him signing anywhere,

594
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 4: but you know, he's he's.

595
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: Joe Random on the show.

596
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 4: Like if you just make a character and just put

597
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: average like he I mean, he'd tell you that, but

598
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: like he'll he'll also throw three Complay games randomly a year.

599
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 4: So and the bullpens like, oh that god, he's that guy, right,

600
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 4: uh he he'll where he'll hang. They'll hang that four

601
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 4: eight on him and he'll but he'll throw. He'll throw

602
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy innings and three nine inning cgs.

603
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: Uh ws like that.

604
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: You need or even a loss, he'll like just lose

605
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 4: three nothing and throw a nine X Like that's the

606
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 4: type of thing you need.

607
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: Those guys.

608
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 4: So having like a guy like Corbyn, let's throw that

609
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 4: out there for the Mets. He's a he's a we

610
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 4: he's gonna eat innings. He goes in the eighth all

611
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 4: the time, and in the playoffs he's our number one.

612
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, that's that's him. He's got it.

613
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 4: Now let's let's see who filters in behind him. Then

614
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 4: you throw saying now the pressure off, saying going to

615
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 4: be you know this, this like veteran guy who has

616
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: figured it all out. He's still only pitched one year. Yeah,

617
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 4: really so, and he a lot asked of him in

618
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: the playoffs. And I don't blame him for how things went.

619
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: I don't.

620
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 4: It's crazy that he even was able to pitch. Frankly so,

621
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 4: but you you add an ace, it's it's a big deal.

622
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: But especially when it matters, you want that because you're like,

623
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: when we make the playoffs, weren't a good working, good shape.

624
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 4: Not when we make the playoffs, we're gonna have to

625
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 4: just figure it out. That's not what you want to

626
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 4: be thinking. So yeah, you need you need a number one.

627
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: The other side of this, David Stearns with the Brewers

628
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: and now with the Mets, has always kind of had

629
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: this aura around him and his teams and the pitchers

630
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: he signs, they squeeze more out of him. They just

631
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: seem to get more. Like last year the signings of

632
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: Luisavrio Shaumanaya, people just killed them for that publicly. They

633
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: signed for under thirty million dollars combined. And I know

634
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: Maniya hasn't signed yet, but it looks like those two

635
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: are going to get it at least one hundred and

636
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars guaranteed between the two of them. Is

637
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: that a kind of thing that makes it the around

638
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: the league and makes it around to other players and

639
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: other organizations, Then how much trust does that pistoleone players

640
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: in a locker room as well? Just to feel like

641
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: we might have what we think are two threes and

642
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: three fours right now, but we're confident that these guys

643
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: will burst into twos again like they did last year.

644
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

645
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: No, the you know, the combination of Stearns and then

646
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 4: Jeremy Hefner, Yeah, because you know, half the guy who

647
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 4: who he sees the writing on the wall. He can

648
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 4: see different perspectives on different things things we can do.

649
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if he's actually talked publicly about

650
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 4: the conversation with with Mania and doing the crossfire thing,

651
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 4: like how they came up with that just says like

652
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 4: it was just something a throwaway thing, like a distraction technique.

653
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 4: They're like, I want you to feel the extremes of

654
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: these sides. Is try this and play catch, and then

655
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 4: you just started doing on the mount and then he

656
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 4: became the crossfire guy, like it kind of just happened,

657
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 4: like on the maut he was just playing catch that

658
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: way and then he's like, yeah, dude, we just did

659
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: it so he could feel something different because he was like,

660
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: this feels weird, and then we made it really weird

661
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 4: and then it started to feel normal. That's the type

662
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 4: of thing that working with Jeremy Effort like, that's the

663
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: type of thing you come up with. I can count

664
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 4: like a dozen times him and I tried stuff like that.

665
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 4: Changed but change up grip once, just randomly. I'm like,

666
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 4: I think it moves good, and he's like solid track money.

667
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: He's like, it does cool. We're throwing in games down.

668
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: I guess how it worked. It's that simple.

669
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 4: Once you get the trust going, and so you go

670
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: there and you you work with him, you trust him

671
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 4: and he trusts you very quickly. But making savvy moves

672
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: because those are reclamation projects to a team that also

673
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 4: does that really well, my another alma mater of mine,

674
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 4: the Twins. Yep, right, they go went Sonny Gray, Sonny

675
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: Gray or yeah, no, that's credit Sonny just resurgence again,

676
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: like he just became dominant again. H Pabla Lopez was good,

677
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: but he went there and became really good. Right, so

678
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 4: a young HU contender, like they just kind of get

679
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: even Paddock has gotten much. You've come back from his

680
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 4: his injuries, He's shown glimpses of being that ceiling. So

681
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 4: they get their guys to their ceiling or at least

682
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: try to help permitting Half and Stearns with the Brewers

683
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 4: was really good at that finding guys who had ceilings

684
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: and then having the developmental people around him to get

685
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 4: them there. And the Mets kind of I think the

686
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: Mets already had the get them there, but maybe this

687
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: the the Stearns was missing. Who was the pick the

688
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: guys that we can get the economically easily, Like it

689
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: was the economics of finding those guys and then being

690
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 4: savvy enough to get them through trades or through through

691
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: good signings for the team.

692
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: And then then you just go and then seep come comes.

693
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: By the way, you have infinite money, like so now

694
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: like I'm just imagining David Serrs like, oh, like this

695
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: is actually too much pressure. I have used to like

696
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: I'm used to having my spreadsheet budget budget. Yeah, and

697
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 4: now it's like you're telling me all the toys are available.

698
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do with this. So I

699
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: don't know how he what what role he played in

700
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: the Soto.

701
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: Negotiations, if we want to, I like to think about it.

702
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: You won.

703
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: So it's just it's a good it's a really good situation.

704
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: I've always been a big fan of students and then

705
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 4: them grabbing him being a New York guy, he understands, Yeah,

706
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 4: he understands the nature of the of the place.

707
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: You guys are in.

708
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 4: Mets are in a really really good position to continue

709
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: to get better, but also just have a team that's sustainable,

710
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 4: sustainably competing and finding diamonds in the rough. So and

711
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: then for pitchers to answer your question in a very

712
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: long way, for pitchers seeing that happening, if you have

713
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: to sign one of those one two year deals, you

714
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 4: were like a back and forth guy for another team,

715
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 4: and you're gonna get an opportunity.

716
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: It's one of the places you want to go. The

717
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: Rays have been that.

718
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: The askers have been that recently where people like, get

719
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: me to the asters so they can tell me what

720
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: the Dodgers, Yeah, just tell me what pictures to throw.

721
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: The Mets are becoming that one of those places, and

722
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: that is that's a really, really good thing.

723
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

724
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: Another part of this is definitely the bullpen. And I

725
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: think a lot of the Mets fans got for lack

726
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: of mothers are and pissed off last year. But how

727
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: many players that they walk the Mets bullpen on the

728
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: highest walk race in the league but a pretty monday

729
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: in ra relative the talent they had, and how many

730
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: guys were kind of showed up in that bullpen by

731
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: the end of the year who were not even expected

732
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: to contribute in any way. In April May or even June,

733
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: I heard you make a really cool comment on rates

734
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: and barrels. A few months back with you Know and DVR,

735
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: we talked about relievers and pitchers in general who weren't

736
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: really afraid to walk bathers and which is never put

737
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: the ball in the middle of the play because they

738
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: knew how great their strikeout stuff was. And we saw

739
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: a lot of save opportunities towards the end of the year,

740
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: freedw Diaz, where it would be a walk, a walk,

741
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: three strikeouts, or two strikeouts and a pop up. So

742
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: can you kind of give that shpield the Mets fans

743
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: right now on not being so horribly afraid by relievers

744
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: walking bathers and kind of trusting that stuff as they

745
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: get later into games.

746
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's guys who have a really good Basically comes

747
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: down to this, you're more welcome, You're more open to

748
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: nibbling around the edge of the zone and missing and

749
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: the walking guys.

750
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: If you're not a home run, you don't allow a

751
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: ton of homers. For me, couldn't.

752
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 4: If I put a guy in first, there's a really

753
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: good chance that the hit is going to be a

754
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 4: home run. It's like I gave up Homer's the way

755
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: I pitched fast balls up. It's just the it was

756
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 4: the nature of the the way I pitch. But like

757
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: a guy, like a Premi example, is out of vino,

758
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: right he he I know he didn't have I mean

759
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: he's thirty eight, thirty nine, he's been playing for a

760
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 4: long time. It's gonna get your body going. But he's

761
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 4: a guy who's always been like I'm just good. Just

762
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: like if I don't feel good about my mechanics something,

763
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 4: I'll just missfire, just because it's like I'll just that's

764
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: the best worst scenario I could get, and I'll do that.

765
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: And the more guys you have like that. Edwin's one

766
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: of those guys.

767
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 4: His ability to strike out two of every inning for

768
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: the entire game or for the entire year, he's done it.

769
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: So with that confidence, he's if he gets three, I

770
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 4: was like, all right, let's not take any chances here,

771
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 4: leave something down the middle because I throw two pitches,

772
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna walk guy for straight, get through it.

773
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 4: I actually looked this up recently, not too long ago.

774
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: I think I mentioned maybe in that episode about the

775
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 4: difference between myself and Edwin and three zero counts and

776
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 4: how many how often we come back to strike people out,

777
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: and his rate was like twelve percent because he just

778
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 4: walks people four on four pitches all the time. And

779
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: I came back like fifty percent of the time because

780
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: that was in like I was like, no, you're not

781
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 4: getting a free walk because I might give up a homer.

782
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 4: He doesn't think that, so he's okay with him being

783
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 4: a first And also taking second. It's not like he's

784
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 4: quick to the plate either. So it's like so it's

785
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: like it's just about what you're what you how you

786
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 4: see your your yourself being successful, and it works for him.

787
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 4: So when it comes to Edwin Diaz, I mean I understand,

788
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 4: but like it's not the best seeing guys get on

789
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 4: on base. But the thing you don't want to see

790
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 4: is getting hit around as a closer, Like that's he

791
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: won't allow himself to get hit around. So if if

792
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 4: anyone beats him, they like they gotta he's got to

793
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: walk a bunch of he's got to be off off

794
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: in order for you to beat him. And he's he's

795
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 4: willing to do that. And if his command's good, you're screwed.

796
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: It's just you're you're out. And that's the way he operates.

797
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: There's other guys in that. Pendu Jake Demon's another example.

798
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: He just didn't give up. He gave up action more

799
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: homers last year than he ever like, yeah, it's never

800
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 4: been associated with his game giving up on runs. But

801
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 4: he's willing to walk guys because he can strike guys

802
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 4: out because he's so funky. The thing is just they walked,

803
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 4: they didn't come back to strike the guys out as

804
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 4: much as they needed to with all those walks, and

805
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 4: it was too many. But there is such thing as

806
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 4: too many. But what you don't want is everyone in

807
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: your bullpen giving up twelve hits per nine Like that's

808
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: because they're not going to get anyone out. You want

809
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: it to be either you win or you beat yourself

810
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: and then they beat you, not the other way around.

811
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Kind of like that. I like that. I like the

812
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: way I put in that, Like you beat yourself and

813
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: then they also have to still beat you.

814
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 4: You have to go through all those steps before they

815
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 4: beat you, but you have to beat yourself before they

816
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: can beat you.

817
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: That's that's what Ewan Das does.

818
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: That's the Met's bullpen to a t Like that is

819
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: exactly it. You are on the edge of your seat

820
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: because of the walks, and then all of a sudden

821
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the day are like, oh, yeah,

822
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: they won this game. I don't know how they did it,

823
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: but they ended up winning it, Like yeah, the depress.

824
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 4: Ask anyone who's been a fan of Craig Krimberl's teams

825
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: for the last five years very much how he operates.

826
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 4: But remember when he was prime Kimber. Oh, that dude

827
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: just threw exactly where he wanted every time. He's just

828
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 4: older now and he can't do that as much, but

829
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 4: he's still nasty.

830
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: He just walks more.

831
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: It was too all the time. It was I don't

832
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: know where the ball is going, but when he's on,

833
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: you're not even near the ball.

834
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: It's almost like the best relievers ever.

835
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh.

836
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: Last thing, I don't know if you got to take

837
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: a full look at that study MLB just released about

838
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: velocity and injuries. Did you get a chance to take

839
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: a look at it all.

840
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: I didn't, but I'm fired up for this to get over,

841
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: so I cant it.

842
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, of course. The classic thing vello spin rate,

843
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: chasing velo chasing spin rate unbelievable, And one of the

844
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: big things that did stand out was the fact that,

845
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: more so at the younger age, at like the AAU

846
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 1: club baseball level, we're seeing more and more guys throwing

847
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: ninety five plus miles an hour. As someone who made

848
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: it to the major league, someone who did throw hard.

849
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: What did you throw when you were in high school?

850
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: Was it?

851
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: Were you chasing velocity when you were in high school,

852
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: trying to get to the become drafted and make it

853
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: to the pros one day.

854
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 4: Short answer, Yes, the vlow gun and getting really excited

855
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 4: to see what the number is is not new. It's

856
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 4: just really accessible now and we all also have a

857
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: much better understanding. There's a lot of different ways to

858
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 4: get to hard VLO, a lot of different places in

859
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 4: the country that you can go to that will teach

860
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 4: you how to do it and teach you how to

861
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 4: do it at to get you to your max potential

862
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 4: almost at one hundred percent right, They're gonna get you

863
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: to wherever the best you are is. And I think

864
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: that's what we're seeing. We're seeing pitchings better now is

865
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: because more guys are just getting their potential. When in

866
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 4: the nineties there was a bunch of guys that flame

867
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Speaker 4: out who were really good, just didn't know how to

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Speaker 4: use it. And now we know how to use it

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Speaker 4: more often, and the tools are easier, more accessible, and

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Speaker 4: there's more more more people giving them out and building businesses.

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Speaker 3: Out of it.

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Speaker 4: So that's it's natural. But whenever I went to a

873
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Speaker 4: camp and there was the radar gun, I was yeating

874
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Speaker 4: that thing. Every single time I went to a big

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Speaker 4: League game, I found the where's the speed pitch? Of

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Speaker 4: course I want I want the big prize like it was,

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Speaker 4: it was all. I've looked at the gun my whole life.

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Speaker 4: I was a gun checker. I peaked every single time.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember what glassnow called it, but that that's

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00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 4: what a vlo slut, that's what. Yes, yes, I look

881
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Speaker 4: every time, and it becomes a stigma where you're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: don't look at the gun. My whole career, I was like, yeah,

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00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: I look every time. Who cares like I care a lot,

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Speaker 4: it matters, it's my my my self worth is directly

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00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 4: attached to er to throw. So whatever, I'll deal with

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Speaker 4: it when I'm done playing. And uh guess what, it

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00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 4: doesn't matter at all now. So uh it was fine.

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Speaker 4: There was never an issue. So yeah, it is there.

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00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: People always want to throw art. It's a number. You

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00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: can literally compare it to other people like it is human.

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00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 4: That's that's competitive nature. It is the It's distilled down

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00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: to its simplest form. So of course when there's other

893
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 4: numbers been right, break how far can you get your

894
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 4: change up to seam shift?

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Speaker 3: How far?

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Speaker 4: How much can you how hard can u shorty slider

897
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Speaker 4: and have it break. All those things are different numbers

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Speaker 4: that we can just get bat number go up versus

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Speaker 4: other people, and then what happens. You stress your body

900
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Speaker 4: to its limits, and when you're at max capacity anything,

901
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Speaker 4: you're not supposed to charge your electric cars tow one

902
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Speaker 4: hundred percent. You're not supposed to get an eighty five

903
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Speaker 4: percent or the battery degrade. It's like it's literally like

904
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Speaker 4: that everywhere, so like, of course that's what happens. It's

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Speaker 4: just it's logic, right, makes sense that guys are going

906
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Speaker 4: to hurt more. But it's not like a, hey, don't

907
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Speaker 4: worry about Vllo anymore.

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Speaker 3: That's not real solution that's always been there.

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00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more like it's it's being purposeful about the

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00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: other stuff that isn't Velo. And then I think raising

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Speaker 4: the value in people like using Velo as a part

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00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: of the puzzle as opposed to it will get you drafted,

913
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Speaker 4: which it still will get you drafted, but all of

914
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Speaker 4: the armcare, all of the taking care of your body

915
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Speaker 4: and getting yourself maximum shape, all of the game planning,

916
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 4: if you do it up here, that stuff is gonna translate.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna it's gonna be multiplied in its effectiveness. Those

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Speaker 4: things should also be incentivized. I don't think they are

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Speaker 4: as much because why we go to TikTok and we

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00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 4: see kids slapping each other on the back and throwing

921
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Speaker 4: start as a camp into the into the top of

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Speaker 4: the net, and then that guy comes on, he goes

923
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Speaker 4: ball that guy. Yeah, so it's it's that's that's where

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00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: all the kids are, that's what they're watching.

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Speaker 3: And I get it.

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Speaker 4: I make stuff like this too. I try to keep

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Speaker 4: it in a way that's like, you can throw this hard,

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Speaker 4: but it'll be you got to get there in your

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Speaker 4: own way, but it is possible, and just be patient.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know how you solve the problem. I

931
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: think guys are just they're guys. They're just going max

932
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Speaker 4: effort more often, and that's gonna get guys hurt more.

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Speaker 4: And you've got to make the decision yourself.

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Speaker 1: Not Trevor. As always appreciate having you on. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us talking baseball, talking about the Mets.

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Speaker 1: Let everybody where they can find all your stuff, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll talk again soon, maybe before the season starts again.

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Speaker 3: Great, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: Guys, you can find me on Trevor May Baseball. Yes,

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Speaker 4: it is that simple, and I'm proud to announce that

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Speaker 4: on this unfortunate date. So I'm just gonna keep saying

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Speaker 4: first the first Monday in January, but it is January sixth.

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Speaker 4: My my show may Day comes back with a whole

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Speaker 4: new look in my studio. We got we got a

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Speaker 4: whole rundown. We've kind of refreshing it up and got

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Speaker 4: some really interesting partnerships that I'm gonn announce when that launches.

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Speaker 4: But that's a live show that'll be on my YouTube

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Speaker 4: channel and on Twitch. I'm Trivor May and then I'm

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Speaker 4: Trevor Man.

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Speaker 3: Everything else, tick talk wherever else you want to watch

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Speaker 3: the short form stuff, you can find it there too,

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Speaker 3: So I'm everywhere awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Trevor, and thank you guys for listening watching.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you on the next episode. Peace out, peace out,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Trevor.

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Speaker 4: And then the