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Speaker 1: What's happened? Everybody. Welcome to Draft Eve. Yes, the draft

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Thankfully. Oh my god, let's get this thing going.

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Speaker 2: I am tired of hearing about the Texas trading up,

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Speaker 2: trading out, or sticking and picking, like those are the

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Speaker 2: three options and well they could do this, they could

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Speaker 2: do that, or they could well, yeah, they could do

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Speaker 2: any of those three things. So anyways, we'll take you

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Speaker 2: through a show tonight that is going to be awesome.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Jean Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter for

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Speaker 2: your Houston Texans. Drew Dordy will stop by the next

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Speaker 2: segment as we do our in the Lab final mock draft.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome. We came out of there.

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Speaker 2: We felt really really good about what we did, and

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Speaker 2: if the draft fell that exact way, we'd feel great

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Speaker 2: about that. But we are going to kick off this

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Speaker 2: show this evening with one of our favorites.

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Speaker 1: You got in the building at twenty twenty one, and I.

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Speaker 2: Could talk to this guy and about anything, it doesn't matter, music, haircuts, football, basketball,

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Speaker 2: sports business. Frank Ross special teams coordinator seemingly knows it all.

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Speaker 2: We loved having There was a big announcement this week

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Speaker 2: about uh or actually I think it was the end

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Speaker 2: of last week for Frank Ross.

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Speaker 1: He'll get into it.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into it right here as we catch up

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Speaker 2: with the special teams coordinator.

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Speaker 1: D Sure my man, the boss, Frank.

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Speaker 3: Ross, Special teams coordinator Frank Ross with us in studio.

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Speaker 1: Coach, great to see him. Good see you guys.

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Speaker 3: All right, off season visit. We have a lot to

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Speaker 3: get to. Okay, Hall of Fame. We got to get

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Speaker 3: to that, all right. In fact, let's get to it first.

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Speaker 3: John Carroll Sports Hall of Fame. Congratulations the surprise video

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Speaker 3: we made all of that.

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Speaker 1: What was your reaction to getting in? Thanks?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm super honored and excited. That was a very

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Speaker 4: cool moment. Surprise for sure. You know, I've I've closed

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Speaker 4: my yearbook, so and proudly I'm about the twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: five Texans. Here comes coach Frank about the twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: five Texas. But when it gets open and pride open again,

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Speaker 4: incredible honor and really because like that's not a goal

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Speaker 4: of mine, right, that wasn't ever a goal of mine.

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Speaker 4: It's always cool, like I want to win games. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, we weren't the greatest team in generation of

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Speaker 1: I'm proud. So it was great honor. Will there be

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Speaker 2: Will you get to be able to be with, you know,

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Speaker 2: some of your former teammates on what's kind of that aspect?

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Speaker 4: No, you know, I hope by you know, maybe the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, how did I get my start in

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Speaker 2: Had you not, Were you going to be a coach,

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Speaker 2: Stuff, for you just looking at players, how important is

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Speaker 4: Eyes, man, I'm I am not a select sport raised advocate.

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Speaker 4: It's not as intriguing to me to then say, all right,

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Speaker 2: It's been an incredible offseason in a sense for you

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Speaker 1: I just I wouldn't mind. I would think a lot

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's not like it's the old saying. You

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Speaker 4: my opinion, from working with John, especially on my first

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Speaker 3: Why is long snapping so difficult, Frank when you look

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about snap.

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Speaker 4: So no, so it is so finite, it is so repeatable,

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Speaker 4: So the first thing is is you better be snapping

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Speaker 1: There's no room for air.

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Speaker 4: You know when guys start rolling them back like they

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Speaker 4: Then the second part comes in, are you strong, quick,

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Speaker 1: You ever blocked.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's just it's it is a.

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Speaker 4: Very hard thing to do on repeat, and when do

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Speaker 1: When it goes bad, that's it. That's it.

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Speaker 4: So you know, it's just it's a thankless job and

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Speaker 3: In front of somebody Texans Radio, we mentioned the long snappers'

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Speaker 2: The odd about John, I mean, yeah, it's gonna be

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Speaker 4: We give you a grace period for Freddy and slips,

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, coach Mark, what to the annual meetings

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Speaker 1: Did teams do kick touchbacks? Not us?

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Speaker 4: But you know, do you know how many returns Damian

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Speaker 4: Take it to the punting game, where the punt's gonna

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Speaker 4: Attend all these things that you got to start to evaluate.

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Speaker 4: See how it plays out. We'll see I'm getting ahead

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Speaker 2: You got But it's the kicking game that gets most

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Speaker 3: So all right, I got one more for you. Sure

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Speaker 4: You need to know and there's an entry level job.

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Speaker 4: Come to the fourth down. Come to fourth down. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you guys know. And I always kind of dangle the

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Speaker 4: How do you learn physicality playing against different types of

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Speaker 4: You gotta go play in a kicking game. Like For

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Speaker 4: move up. If you could do that on repeat, I

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Speaker 1: Along those lines, and this would be last one from me.

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Speaker 2: Your veterans, guys that have got a little seasoning to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's a culture thing you're you're speaking to

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So, if dariogum Wale is one of the better running backs,

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Speaker 4: if not the like I think the world of dar

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Speaker 4: a Yeah, a kicking game staple.

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Speaker 1: Here for how many seasons now?

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Speaker 5: Right?

445
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Speaker 4: Not trying to get off the punt team. How many

446
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Speaker 4: kickoff tackles. Is he not knifeing tackles?

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Speaker 1: Has he made? You know, I don't know many people.

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Speaker 4: You know, I can't speak for everybody, but I don't

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Speaker 4: know many people that would say that it would wag.

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Speaker 1: Their nose at that.

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Speaker 4: I think he's done an outstanding job and to me,

452
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Speaker 4: like a guy that takes pride whatever.

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Speaker 1: Jake Hansen. Now at this point, you know, m J.

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Speaker 4: Stewart, Treymond, he's you know, has had a wildly sex

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Speaker 4: wildly successful career doing fourth down and I don't it

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Speaker 4: might not be the superstar living that every college freshman

457
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Speaker 4: is staring at right now, but when you get here, like, yeah,

458
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Speaker 4: it's a pretty darn good way to go as well.

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Speaker 4: And I think, you know, for your team, more veteran

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Speaker 4: replacement you have on the kicking game roles, the.

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Speaker 3: Better you have a chance to be for sure outstanding coach.

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Speaker 3: Congrats once again on the John Carroll Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you, and best of luck with the rest of

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Speaker 3: the off season.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys. Good to see you, guys. Let's have a

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Speaker 1: good draft weekend. Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, See, we just scratch the surface. I mean that's

468
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Speaker 2: all we did. We just scratched the surface with Frank Ross.

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Speaker 2: He was absolutely awesome, all right, also awesome in the

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Speaker 2: Lab podcast, almost more awesomer than that is in the

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Speaker 2: Lab Final the Ultimate Mock Draft Simulator coming up next

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Speaker 2: jump right back in in the Lab with myself, John

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Speaker 2: Harris and Drew Doherty.

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Speaker 1: We do our.

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Speaker 2: Final, the Ultimate in the Lab Mock Draft Simulator, and

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Speaker 2: hopefully the draft goes just like this, and here we go,

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Speaker 2: let's start it. Cameron Ward goes number one to the

479
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Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans. No big surprise, Hey, okay.

480
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Speaker 5: Fly off the board and trades come up. I see

481
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Speaker 5: one from the Bengals wonning twenty five and two forty

482
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Speaker 5: one for forty nine eighty one and a two next year.

483
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Speaker 5: I think that's a little too little, and then kind

484
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Speaker 5: of one from the Chargers that I think is a

485
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Speaker 5: little too little. It's a lot, but I just can't

486
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Speaker 5: do that. And I don't want Royal Canadian whiskey. I'm

487
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Speaker 5: sorry about that. Folks, got the the ad got me there,

488
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Speaker 5: but I want to take the pick. And we see

489
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Speaker 5: Derek Carmon there, and Derek Carmon, I think it's going

490
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Speaker 5: to be a really good pro.

491
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Speaker 6: But he's gonna be a productive guy. He's enticing.

492
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Speaker 5: But the name right below him, John Tyler Booker is

493
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Speaker 5: by all accounts, the best guard in the draft. Maybe

494
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Speaker 5: maybe the best lineman. You could make that argument, probably not,

495
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Speaker 5: but he's there. He went to Alabama. Will Anderson has

496
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Speaker 5: gushed about him. Many others have gushed about him. You've

497
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Speaker 5: told the story many times how the folks at Alabama

498
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Speaker 5: rave about his leadership and then on top of it,

499
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Speaker 5: he's a fantastic player.

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Speaker 6: Is this the pick? Is it too too much of

501
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Speaker 6: a no brainer? Because a Buka's there a great zab.

502
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Speaker 2: Those five picks, those five players that we see Harmon

503
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Speaker 2: eighteen for them, Booker twenty four, Nolan twenty six, Zabel

504
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Speaker 2: twenty seven, Meco Bukat twenty nine. Any of those five

505
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Speaker 2: I would feel even Walter Nolan, and I know he's

506
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Speaker 2: had some you know, there are always some you know,

507
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Speaker 2: anger issues, whatever you want to call him, you frustration, fine,

508
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Speaker 2: and Danny, you wipe your hands and say, that's a

509
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Speaker 2: cool pick.

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Speaker 6: I'm fine with it.

511
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Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that because I think they would

512
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Speaker 2: surround him in the locker room and really make the

513
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Speaker 2: most of that. But you know what I've said, Booker,

514
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Speaker 2: no matter what's Booker Golden, no matter what for me.

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Speaker 2: So Booker is there, I think this is I'm so

516
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Speaker 2: glad to see him there. Let's snatch him up at

517
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Speaker 2: twenty five. Now, a couple of gen xers, you and me.

518
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Speaker 2: It's not Booker, It's not Richard Griico Booker. It's Tyler Booker.

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Speaker 2: Booker T not Booker T. We love Booker T Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now we're on a fifty eight and second round.

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Speaker 5: Cowboys want to trade, get bent, cowboys, we're not giving

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Speaker 5: up that for now.

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Speaker 1: Boys offering seventy six and a third.

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Speaker 5: Asking for this pick here is this is Enticing from Cleveland.

525
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Speaker 5: You're they're offering you to move back just a bit.

526
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Speaker 5: So you move into the third, but it's the top

527
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Speaker 5: of the third. And then you add an at pick

528
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Speaker 5: ninety four for pick one sixty six, another late third.

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Speaker 5: I'm in tree by that. But look, let's look who's

530
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Speaker 5: on the board. John Yeah, this name Kenneth Grant. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Enticing at fifty eight, the thirty nine right below Traveon Henderson.

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Speaker 5: That's my draft crush, I mean yeah, and I even

533
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Speaker 5: texted you during games this year.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I like that. Travion Henderson.

535
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Speaker 5: Then there's some other names down there, Mason Taylor, a

536
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Speaker 5: pretty good tight end, t J. Sanders, defensive tackle. I'm

537
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Speaker 5: gonna defer to you on this one. It's for me.

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Speaker 5: It's it's between Kenneth Grant Travion Henderson, and I make

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Speaker 5: Henderson the call, but I will defer to you.

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Speaker 6: You got to you gotta make this call now.

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Speaker 2: I have Kenneth Grant rated higher than I do Traveon Henderson,

542
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Speaker 2: and I do think Kenneth Grant would definitely help.

543
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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Henderson's a home run hitter. You don't

545
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Speaker 2: have offensively love home run you know how. We kind

546
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Speaker 2: of had to slog through offensively last year, especially after

547
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Speaker 2: Steph went down.

548
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Speaker 1: It was a slog It was just it was hard.

549
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Speaker 2: We didn't have any really home run hitters, seemingly, as

550
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Speaker 2: you know, Joe's a home run hitter. But Joe has

551
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Speaker 2: to be the F one fifty. You know, you can't

552
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Speaker 2: just go bring the Maserati out for you know, a

553
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Speaker 2: little day drive when you need it.

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Speaker 6: The F one fifty does not do one any five.

555
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Speaker 1: But Joe's got game breaking ability. There's no question.

556
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Speaker 2: I don't want to overlook that, but I just feel like, man,

557
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Speaker 2: we need we need some big plays.

558
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Speaker 1: Henderson's a guy that can create it.

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Speaker 2: Drew, I'm actually going to defer to you on this

560
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Speaker 2: one because I think Travion Henderson would be as much

561
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Speaker 2: as I think Trenches a lot. I think Henderson being

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Speaker 2: there at fifty eight I would want to jump all

563
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Speaker 2: over this.

564
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Speaker 6: Kenneth Grant love you.

565
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Speaker 5: I hope you go to an NFC team and don't

566
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Speaker 5: haunt our games for the next decade or so.

567
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Speaker 6: But let's go with Oh you know.

568
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Speaker 2: Where Kenith Grant's going. Look at this. Look at the

569
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Speaker 2: pick right after ours fifty nine Ravens. Yeah, watch you

570
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Speaker 2: watch this good and pick Henderson. See what happens. No,

571
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Speaker 2: he didn't go, but he went a couple of picks

572
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Speaker 2: before that, a couple picks after that, so not too surprising.

573
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Speaker 1: But I could see the Ravens jumping over Kenneth Grant.

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Speaker 6: We don't want to move back twenty in at of foe.

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Speaker 1: Now it's seventy nine. No, we don't want to do that.

576
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Speaker 5: We don't want to do this one either, fifteen, So

577
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Speaker 5: let's make a pick. Jackson Dart's still there. I bet

578
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Speaker 5: he goes before this, you know, I don't think he goes. Yeah,

579
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Speaker 5: I don't think he gets its kind of a put

580
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Speaker 5: a an astress by this.

581
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Speaker 6: Okay, Mason Taylor, you like him tight.

582
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Speaker 2: End lsu Yeah, I mean I've comped him to Dalton Schultz,

583
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Speaker 2: and I think Mason's I think Mason's probably a little

584
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Speaker 2: bit of a better blocker at this point, maybe then

585
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: the Dalton was. But I don't know if that's a

586
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: little redundant tight end wise, I don't know. I mean, look, Tyler,

587
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: Terrence Ferguson's he's down there. Terrence Ferguson from Oregon is

588
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: still on the board. I really like watching them at

589
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl. In fact, I've got those two graded

590
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: about this about the same. I mean, I don't think

591
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: there's as much gap between Mason Taylor and Terrence Ferguson.

592
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Speaker 2: Harrold Fanna Junior is an interesting one, but I think

593
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: you kind of have Harrold Fanner Junior in Brevin Jordan.

594
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: And I know Brev's coming back off of the knee injury,

595
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: but I think Fannon would fit for a number of teams,

596
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Speaker 2: and if the text ended up taking him.

597
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Speaker 1: I could see them using him.

598
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Speaker 2: He's kind of an interesting dude, kind of a tight end,

599
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: h back move guy. I don't even think it's his

600
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: tight end. He's not really a wide tight end. I

601
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: mean he's kind of a full back move guy, which

602
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: is kind of what Brev's done. It's kind of what

603
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: Kate Stover did last year. But picked seven or the

604
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: seventy two right there on their board.

605
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 5: That's the one Jared Wilsons, So I mentioned earlier, I've

606
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 5: got a crush on Trevion Henderson. This one, Jared Wilson

607
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 5: I liked, Yeah, and then I heard you say, well,

608
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 5: he's probably the best.

609
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 6: Center in this draft.

610
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best center in this draft. I mean

611
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: I think he's a pure center.

612
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 6: Now does he come in and start as a center?

613
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Now that's a great point.

614
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be one hell of a competition,

615
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: and I think some of it has to do with

616
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: you know, we got Booker.

617
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: Booker's a guard, so he's gonna play guard.

618
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: So does Booker's presence push Titus back out to tackle?

619
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Speaker 2: I don't think it does. I think a guard combo

620
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: of Titus and Booker would be really really fun. So

621
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Speaker 2: then at that point you've gotten now a competition of

622
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: Jared Patterson, Jew Scruggs, who's the second rounder a few

623
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: years ago.

624
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: Drafted both of them in twenty twenty three.

625
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: And then if you were to draft Wilson, which what

626
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: the point to me is, if I take a third

627
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: round pick in Wilson but it guarantees me that one

628
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: of the three becomes a quality center for this team,

629
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Speaker 2: then I'm all for it.

630
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: And whether it be Wilson or Juice or Jared or whomever, you're.

631
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Speaker 5: Out, you're raising the tides of rightes. Yeah, I want

632
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 5: to do this.

633
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: I I really have been kind of high on Jared

634
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: Wilson after watch.

635
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 5: Single time I've had a draft where he's available around here,

636
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: I've taken him. Okay, And there's been o those things

637
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 5: that have been to Alfred keep going trenches.

638
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Speaker 1: Let's go.

639
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 5: Alfred Collins is the only one that kind of makes

640
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 5: me pause here, But I'm I'm going for you're telling

641
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 5: me he's a stas center or he's going to yield

642
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 5: at starting center, Let's do it.

643
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing too, with with the centers or the

644
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: interior off of the lineman I just don't find the

645
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: depth there. So get the depth there, go and get

646
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: the get the highest rated guy you can get there.

647
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: Interior defensive lineman nine, ten eleven is still pretty am good. Yeah,

648
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: so I think you can get a defensive lineman. I

649
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: think there will. It'll be guys on the board ten

650
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: picks later that we can look at and be very

651
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: happy with and maybe off for Collins is still on

652
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: the board. Maybe maybe not. I can't see whether he

653
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: came off the board or not. But I think Alfred

654
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Speaker 2: Collins would be a guy. I could look at seventy

655
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: nine oclok at eighty nine, that would be a guy.

656
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Speaker 2: But I think interior defensive line, there's just so many

657
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: of them in this draft. That's such a good class

658
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: that I would take Wilson there and then look maybe

659
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: an interior defensive line at this pic.

660
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: Okay, this has been an unrealistic draft so far because

661
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 5: for the Texans, because we have many trades we have

662
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 5: not But here's a scenario in which I would make

663
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 5: this trade. Okay, let's take a look to hear what

664
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 5: you say. I mean, how do you not do this?

665
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, we're sitting at eighty nine, moved back three

666
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: to get yeah two yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I mean

667
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: almost thirty three.

668
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: I like that.

669
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 6: Go to one thirty seven with the Seahawks.

670
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

671
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 5: Like names on the board now, listen that this does

672
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 5: give me. I like Jayden Higgins, He's in. Do you

673
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 5: like al?

674
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: I like Higgins a lot more than I like I

675
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: am an Ore.

676
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: OK.

677
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: I like Ferguson. That's left on the board.

678
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 5: If you move back three, one of those guys is

679
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 5: a still probably gonna be there.

680
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: I think that's true.

681
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: And then you also get that, so you're giving up

682
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: three spots here for twenty nine spots later.

683
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: I kind of like it.

684
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 6: Let's do it, accept make the trade, all right? Ersery

685
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 6: is still.

686
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: There, imn are still there. Ferguson from Ferguson's very interesting.

687
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: I love his build, I love his athleticism, very light

688
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: on his feet, good hands. I think he can be

689
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: a decent blocker. I don't think he's a great blocker now,

690
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 2: but I think he can be even better. I mean,

691
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: Terrence Ferguson Kate Stover would be kind of fun. Schultzen

692
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: Schultzen Ferguson. I mean, I think you could have uh

693
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: and do some good things with Terrence ferguson here.

694
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 5: But is there a red light blinking over Erstrie because

695
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 5: he's like the fifty six bet. I mean, do you

696
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 5: I know we've gone O line heavy so far, but dude,

697
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 5: there is you take that best player available and just

698
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 5: do it.

699
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: I mean best player available. I'll probably do it. I mean,

700
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: he's a right tackle. If he's a tackle, big strong,

701
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: I mean really strong, dude, kind of diff lagged.

702
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to fall in love with him earth.

703
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he's one of those guys that really kind

704
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: of grew on me in this process. I mean, and

705
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit there and tell you that I

706
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: absolutely love him, but in ninety two, I think that

707
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: would be a really good fit. I think Ursery is

708
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: hard to look away from. But I think by the

709
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: time we pick again, I think Fergus gonna.

710
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: Be out of the board.

711
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: Now there are some tight ends in his group that

712
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: are are are nice, nice guys. I'm not saying nice guys.

713
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm saying like nice picks like that. I would like it,

714
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: but I think it's hard to turn away from a

715
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: tackle like Ursery at this point a third round.

716
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 5: So I think that's take kay let's do it. Hey,

717
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 5: what have we heard all off season?

718
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 6: Long? Texan's gotta protect better?

719
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta protect better.

720
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 5: In one way or another. That's going to help you

721
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 5: do that. Okay, we're picking one, three seven, that's from

722
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 5: that trade. We're moving, we're grooving. Jalen Reed is the

723
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 5: top prospect there, safety from Penn State. You see some

724
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: of these other names, Belton another tackle, We're not gonna

725
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 5: do that. Jamari Caldwell defensive tackle down there. You got

726
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 5: Jordan Phillips in the mix. What are you thinking here?

727
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: All right, Drew, because I have I'm now fifty three,

728
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: so I've gotten older and so my brain doesn't work

729
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: as much.

730
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember.

731
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: Can you click on our on my on my picks

732
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: on what we've done thus far? Yes, we kind of

733
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: up make to people. So we drafted Booker at twenty five.

734
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: We took Trevion Henderson, the running back at Ohio State

735
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 2: fifty eight. Good value there. Jered Wilson is center from Georgia.

736
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: We took the best center I have in the draft,

737
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: and ronte Urseri from Minnesota at number ninety two.

738
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: So we've gone guard tackle, center.

739
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: So we've really bolstered offensively and taking Traveon Henderson.

740
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: A couple of names that I see there that I like.

741
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: I mean, Oli Gordon is if we hadn't taken Travon Henderson,

742
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: I would think about Oli Gordon, Dylan Sampson. We've already

743
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: gotten kind of a better version than Traveon Henderson, but

744
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: a very similar model. If you will there, you know

745
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: one's a one's a Corolla, one's a Tursell.

746
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: If you remember the Toyota. I don't know why I

747
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: used Toyota, but I guess Toyota because it says right

748
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: above it.

749
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: Anthony Belton is a guy I would think, but man,

750
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: we've already gotten three offensive linemen. I would take Belton,

751
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: convert him to a guard. Jamari Caldwell is really really interesting.

752
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah to me.

753
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: He and Jordan Phillips provide some size what I've been

754
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: talking about all along, athletic size. I think Jamary Coldell

755
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: is like three twenty five, a little shorter and stouter,

756
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: but quick agile play University Houston, four winth Oregon.

757
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: I felt like he tore dudes up at the Senior Bowl.

758
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips had a really good shrine bawl up in

759
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: Frisco up in Dallas, you could. I think you could

760
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: go either one of the defensive line. I'm gonna lead

761
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: Caldwell just because he went to you of h kooks.

762
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: All right, let's take go Cooks. Let's take him go Coops.

763
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: Come on, Jamark Caldwell. All right, all right, we don't.

764
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: Pick for a while now.

765
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, the name coming off the board long time. Yeah,

766
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 5: you don't pick again until two thirty six sections have

767
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 5: gone trenches and running back in this draft and.

768
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: Then trenches, trenches, trenches on both sides of the ball.

769
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 6: All right, okay, this here we go.

770
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 5: This name excuse me, uh, Peter Brady right there for

771
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 5: those of you who are old and used to watch

772
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 5: the Brady bunch. Yeah, voice was cracking. This name, Ingram Dawkins.

773
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 5: This is tantalizing to me because it sounds like he

774
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 5: can play a lot of things.

775
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 6: But I want to hear your I.

776
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 5: Mean, you and I have not talked about him, but

777
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 5: there's a lot of great names that intrigue me him.

778
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 5: I really like the Jalen Conyers. I want to hear

779
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 5: what you think about him. Yes, he's a tight end

780
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 5: and the Texans have not taken a tight end in

781
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 5: this draft. I also want to hear your thoughts on Hawes.

782
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 5: Tim Smith, defensive tackle out of Alabama has been taken

783
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 5: in some mocks. You see Antoine Wells. Yeah, he's a

784
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 5: wide receiver out of Ole Miss. What are you thinking here? Okay,

785
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 5: do you like Ingram Dowalks.

786
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: We'll talk about Ingram Dawkins, a little bit lighter interior player,

787
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: which I think the Texans have enough of now. So

788
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: he you know, good, motor plays, hard plays, heavy plays violent.

789
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: I like that.

790
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: I just I don't. I don't love the fit. Plus

791
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: we've already gotten called well, so I think we've done

792
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: enough on that d line. Zee Biggers would be a

793
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: guy look at because he's longer and really athletic for

794
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: a due that's three to ten ish. Kanyers is kind

795
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: of like a more tight end version of Taysom Hill.

796
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: He can play wildcat, he can play full back. I

797
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: want to say he's got quarterback in his system. They

798
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: would use him at wildcat at Texas Tech. He's just

799
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: kind of a play creator, very very intriguing to me.

800
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: But let's flash down at two thirty four. The guy

801
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: I've been waiting for was hoping he was still on

802
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: the board. When everybody talks about tight end for this team,

803
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: you know they're talking about the top end guys in

804
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: this draft, but I don't think it's really what the

805
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: Texans absolutely need. But the Texans need at tight end

806
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: is somebody that can swap paint with a six technique

807
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: that just goes to battle, is violent as a blocker's

808
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: I love the fact that Jackson Hawes is an Ivy leaguer,

809
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 2: graduated Yale, had one year of eligibility, transferred on Georgia Tech.

810
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: And it was his blocking and his physicality it kind

811
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 2: of caught everybody's attention.

812
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Now the Senior.

813
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: Bowl, he was very, very active catching the football. He

814
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 2: had good soft hands. I was really impressed. I was

815
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: probably more impressed with that and is blocking. But throughout

816
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 2: the season it's just blocking his physicality that get it

817
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: to me.

818
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: This is Jackson Hawes all day.

819
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: To get that kind of in line wide tight end

820
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: you're looking for kaboom.

821
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 5: Five picks later is hard. That's two forty one, that's

822
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 5: your final pick.

823
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

824
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Now, one thing we can do on this, Let's click

825
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: on the offensive tab, Drew. Let's just look at the

826
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: wide receivers that are there, and I think the wide

827
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: receivers that are there, and I'm gonna I'm gonna make

828
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 2: a case for one of them here that I really

829
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: hear the receivers that on the board. Antoine Juice Wells

830
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 2: from Old Miss. Playmaker had a great career at South

831
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: Carolina before he went to Old Miss. Probably better at

832
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: South Carolina and Old Miss not a flyer, but I

833
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: think it would be a good fit in this room.

834
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: Then you got Ja Corey Brooks from Louisville. I would

835
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 2: be very happy with Bru McCoy. I've been following forever.

836
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: It's injuries issues, Coundray, Lambert Smith can fly. This might

837
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: be it would be a steal potentially to find him here.

838
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: But the guy that gets interesting to me is well

839
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: two guys Fton Chisholm from Eastern Washington.

840
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: Why makes you miss in a phone booth?

841
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: He had one of the better three come times and

842
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: it shows on the field that dude will shake anybody.

843
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: He's got amazing quickness.

844
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: Now he's not fast, he's like a four to seven forty,

845
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: but he's a slot receiver dujoure. The guy that might

846
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: provide more of that and more speed is Jimmy Horn

847
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: Junior from Colorado. Whenever I watched Colorado, he was the

848
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: guy that always impressed me. Obviously Travis Hunter always impressed us,

849
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: but Jimmy Horn Junior was the guy that he went Man,

850
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: he's running away from guys, he's making plays.

851
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy.

852
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: Horn Junior right here, that's the call, would be the

853
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: seventh or I would. I would really like to see

854
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: him with the Texans, So let's do that, all right.

855
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: He's a little bit more of a slot guy, but

856
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: he's got speed out of the slot.

857
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: There are different kinds of slot.

858
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: Like Chisholm from Eastern Washington is more kind of the

859
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: true slot, kind of the whips and pivots and you know,

860
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: working the chaos and the short you know, five to

861
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: seven yard range.

862
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: Then there's kind of a Christian Kirk who.

863
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: Plays in the slot, but it's dangerous out of the

864
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 2: slot because he can run slot fades, he can run posts.

865
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 6: I wrote an article, you wrote a really good article

866
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 6: about this.

867
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

868
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: And he's text where he isolates the safety and beats

869
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: him one on one with speed.

870
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy Horn is kind of a mix of both.

871
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: I think he can really work that chaos in the

872
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: shallow areas. But then he's got the speed to be

873
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: able to burn down the field. So I like getting

874
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: him in the seventh round.

875
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 5: All right, look at that. The Texans made seven picks

876
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 5: and only one of them was on defense. That's wild.

877
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 5: I don't think you'll see that. But this is what

878
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: we had. Yeah, and these are the options in front

879
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 5: of us.

880
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 6: You couldn't.

881
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 5: I mean, you you walk away a winner, I think

882
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 5: after round one and then it's icing on cake. And

883
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 5: I've used this again, icing on icing with Jared Wilson,

884
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 5: and then from there you get some good I mean,

885
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 5: it's good players all around.

886
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: I like this.

887
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 6: I like this draft alone.

888
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: No, Drew, you you and I kind of have, you know,

889
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: similar existences in a sense that you know, Texas fans

890
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: will take out their vitriol on us in sense whether

891
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: it's comments or they see you in the store, like, Drew,

892
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: what the you know, what the hell are they doing? Well,

893
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: what's the one thing we heard about all year long?

894
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: The offensive line? The offensive line? Well, you can't be

895
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: dismayed with what we just did with the offensive line

896
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: because we added potential starters at all three positions, you know, center,

897
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: guard and tackle.

898
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: We got the guy.

899
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 5: We've made the competition supremely fierce. It was already going

900
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 5: to be fierce.

901
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: Right and and that's I think exactly what you want

902
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: to be able to get the best five battle tested

903
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: dudes out of that room. You get a guy and

904
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: Booker that is thought to be in alpha. And I

905
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: remember when I wrote that about will Anderson Junior. I

906
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: remember thinking, Okay, I would love to see it in

907
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: Texas locker room. And not only has that been a

908
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: big factor in Texas locker room, he set the tone

909
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: for the way other people should think about the Texans

910
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: and any players coming in this building should think about

911
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: playing for the Texans. And so hopefully Booker is is

912
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: that kind of guy. But you know, we heard so

913
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: much about the offensive line. You can't sit there and go, well,

914
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: what are you doing? That's too much on the offensive

915
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as too much on the offensive line.

916
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: And I give you this last year, it's about this

917
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: time that Phildelphi Eagles signed a tackle that had busted

918
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: with the Jets. Couldn't play too fat, too big, just

919
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: didn't get it done.

920
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: And the Eagles had all these players already.

921
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: They already had them on hand, and they when they

922
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: signed with Kai Becton, and it was like, what's really

923
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: bet'ing gonna do for them?

924
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: It's not gonna play tackle. You're gonna put them a guard.

925
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: You don't really fit it guard.

926
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: But Beckton wins the competition, ends up being the starter,

927
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: and ends up being one of the better guards in

928
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: the NFL.

929
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: Last year the Phildeffi Eagles.

930
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying that's all gonna work, but that

931
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: was a situation in which, well, is that overkill on

932
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: the offensive line. You didn't have to pay a lot

933
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: for him, but still, you know, you got all these

934
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: guys in the offensive line, you add another piece. No,

935
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: it panned out, so us drafting three different offensive linemen

936
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: on day one and day two, that's exactly what.

937
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: That painting needed.

938
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: That room needed to be painted, and it needs all

939
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: the paint possible to throw up on the canvas.

940
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 5: Because what happens if DJ Stroud has that extra half

941
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 5: So that's right, what happens if not getting knocked around,

942
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 5: that's right, ten times a game. He's only get knocked

943
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 5: around four times a game. What happens? Yes, then with

944
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 5: the offense. The guys you have there who are your playmakers,

945
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 5: they're a little bit more explosive. That's right, because CJ

946
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 5: has time.

947
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

948
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: So all that about, you know, well, too much investment

949
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: in that trenches. To me, there's no such thing.

950
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no such thing from what we saw as

951
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 5: too much investment that in January. Yes, he on average,

952
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 5: this was the magic number. I believe we've talked about this,

953
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 5: but the magic number, it seemed for the Texans last.

954
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 6: Year was four four sacks.

955
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

956
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 5: You got stacked four or more times. The Texans went

957
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: too and eight. Yep, it was less. It was kind

958
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 5: of like you reversed the number exactly, so you exactly

959
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: in last year for the first time in a long time,

960
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 5: maybe ever, I don't know, I need to look this up.

961
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 5: The Texans did not have a clean sheet, meaning they

962
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 5: did not have a single game.

963
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 6: Where they allowed zero sacks.

964
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, they get they would go one sack

965
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 5: against the Titans, but that was a different kind of scenario.

966
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was in twenty twenty three.

967
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: They had not a number of games, but they had

968
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: a handful where they gave up where they had clean

969
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: sheets where they did not give up a sack, and

970
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: if you went back and look, those are probably the

971
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: ones where they had the most offensive output.

972
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: I remember one was Pittsburgh.

973
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: I remember that and that offense that day was pretty

974
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: damn good in that game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And

975
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: that was playing Austin Deculus and Diron Christian at tackle

976
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: in that game. So gotta get trench help, and I

977
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: think you just got to get more and bring it

978
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: to the competition.

979
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 5: That's what the Texans did in this mock draft simulation.

980
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: There you have it. It's a good one. We got

981
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 2: better in the trenches for sure.

982
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: Three.

983
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: I I'd like to think rock stars. Any trench guys

984
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: we draft, they're gonna be rock stars. So it was

985
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: good U to put that down on Wax for all

986
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: to listen to. Thank y'all very very much throughout the

987
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: year for following the end of lab mock draft simulators

988
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: and all that.

989
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: That was really fun to finish up with.

990
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: You go to check out the YouTube video so you

991
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: kind of get a feel of what we were looking at.

992
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: You can definitely do that as well, so I'd encourage

993
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: you to do that. Okay, we are on draft eve

994
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: final bits of news. Is there anything, We'll hit some

995
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: of those things on the way out next on Texans

996
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: All Access. All right, here we go, last second of

997
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: the show right here on a Wednesday evening, Tomorrow night

998
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: at this time, Mark and I'll be finishing up Texans

999
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: All Access before we then take over and I go

1000
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: into Draft mode at seven o'clock. Welle right here at

1001
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: Sports Radio six'. Ten you watch ON. Tv that's, cool

1002
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: but listen to. Us it'll Be Mark andre and myself

1003
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: along With Robert hensley with the.

1004
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: Updates robert does a great.

1005
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: Job in, fact one of my Memories i'll have going

1006
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: to my grave will Be Robert hensley leaning across the

1007
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: desk with finger up AFTER. Cj strout is picked to

1008
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: let us know The texans were indeed trading up to

1009
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: go Get Will.

1010
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: Anderson so we'll have the. Show we will have this

1011
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: show for you On thursday.

1012
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: Night we will also be at the draft party downtown

1013
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 2: right There Discovery, green so come check us. Out looks

1014
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: like any rain or any bad weather is gonna be

1015
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: out of the, way so we should Be we should be.

1016
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: Okay friday, Night it'll be me And mark along With

1017
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: Robert hensley doing the updates On.

1018
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: Friday Then, Saturday.

1019
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: Sean pegragas AND i will do the morning and Then

1020
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: mark will come in with me as we finish it.

1021
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: Up we are efforting on that Day Nick, cassario BUT

1022
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: i don't know if we'll get. Him hopefully we. Do

1023
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: that would be, really really. Fun so we'll get player

1024
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: interviews the guys that are. Drafted Drew dory's gonna do those,

1025
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: interviews so you want to be. Listening those are gonna be.

1026
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: Fun and OBVIOUSLY i know this draft inside. Out dre

1027
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: has been calling college games, forever so he knows these

1028
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: guys that are drafted in the first round On thursday.

1029
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: NIGHT i always love doing that Draft withdre because he's

1030
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: always got insight from production meetings and things that he

1031
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: has the insight.

1032
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: For he knows these.

1033
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks and obviously we got A state Of texas quarterback

1034
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 2: going number one, overall more than likely that being Cam.

1035
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: Ward so it's going to, tights so we'll see him

1036
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: where they won't be wearing the Old oilers, jerseys so

1037
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: that'll be kind of, fun all, right as we go

1038
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: around THE. NFL i don't know that too much has been.

1039
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: Happening there is a little bit of like rumor. STUFF

1040
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: i think it's kind of. Fun the first rumor THAT

1041
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: i saw this was, PROBABLY i think it Was George,

1042
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: schultz probably around, lunchtime said that The steelers are entertaining

1043
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: calls On George, pickens AND i, thought, now my guy

1044
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: tells me that we are nowhere near. That George pickens is,

1045
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: mercurial he is hot, headed he is incredibly. Talented BUT

1046
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: i don't think we would be on in a. Mix but,

1047
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: look it's a, draft it's THE. Nfl i've said this numerous,

1048
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: times especially in the last seven eight, years and especially

1049
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: After DeAndre hopkins was. Traded i'm not surprised by anything

1050
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: that happens anymore in THE.

1051
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: Nfl so could The texas be making a move On George.

1052
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: PICKENS i don't think, so and it wouldn't BE i

1053
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: don't think it'd be the right. Move that's just.

1054
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: Me but he apparently is on the, Board so that

1055
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: is one to keep in. Mind Dallas Goddard philtoph The

1056
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: eagles another one that is on the board for a potential. Trade, now,

1057
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: AGAIN i don't think The texas would be in that.

1058
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: MARKET i don't think one thing that caught my eye

1059
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: THAT i thought was, LIKE i literally like stumbled all over.

1060
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: MYSELF pff did a seven round mock, draft AND i

1061
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 2: was curious as TO i always look at the mock,

1062
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: draft especially seven, rounders to go beyond the first round

1063
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: and see what they. DO i felt, like, ay it

1064
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: was one of the worst Ones i'd. Seen they had

1065
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: The texas Taking Josh simmons at, tackle AND i think

1066
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: it's pretty clear That texas are not Taking Josh simmons a.

1067
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: Tackle there's there's too much going on.

1068
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: There they Had Pooh Paul Chris Pooh paul From, ole

1069
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: Miss his nickname Is. Pooh, yes they had him as

1070
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: a draft. PICK i just don't think we're gonna take

1071
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: a linebacker until day. THREE i just think there are other,

1072
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: needs but especially the way the linebacker position has been

1073
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: bolstered WITH.

1074
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: Ej speed, signing et.

1075
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 2: Cetera then they had Taken Queen ewers in the seventh

1076
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: round at two forty, one AND i just finished my

1077
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: draft needs and you go check it out football taker dot.

1078
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: Com this one's free on The Houston. TEXANS i just

1079
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: have them not even looking at a. Quarterback but it

1080
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: picked seventy nine that The texans trading For Tyreek, hill

1081
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: AND i kind of doghead turned, like, ah, man there's

1082
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: no way, there no, way, right no, Way you never.

1083
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: Know if we are now on to.

1084
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: Draft we can appreciate you guys for. Listening we will

1085
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow From GEORGE. R brown as his team

1086
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: attempts to get better with their first round. Pick we'll see, that,

1087
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: everybody and as, always Go texans