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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Put on the armor, grab the sword metaphorically

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Speaker 1: speaking of course, gotta be careful buck headline media matters.

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis tells everyone to get their swords and put

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Speaker 1: on their armor to go go to battle. More charges coming.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna break all this down for you. Julie Kelly

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Speaker 1: gonna join us in the second hour, Chris Rufo in

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Speaker 1: the third against Trump should yes, well I'm not against

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Speaker 1: us yet. Yeah, but I feel like everyone is going

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Speaker 1: to keep doing the show, keep defending Trump. We'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, I know, I wouldn't be surprised at any

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Speaker 1: moment if the FBI knocks on my door. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, and I don't think anybody who's

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Speaker 1: been outspoken defending Trump would be surprised if anybody knocked

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Speaker 1: on their door from the federal government. Based on how

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Speaker 1: things are going. Okay, just for people out there, this

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Speaker 1: is breaking news. I want to read from the statement

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Speaker 1: that Trump put up on truths, so I know sometimes

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Speaker 1: this is difficult to keep tabs on. So let me

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Speaker 1: just give you the backstory here. We've got charges in

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Speaker 1: New York City that are completely bogus. We've got charges

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Speaker 1: that I believe are increasingly bogus in South Florida as

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Speaker 1: more and more evidence around the document's handling aspect of

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Speaker 1: these charges comes out, state charges in New York City,

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Speaker 1: that is, the New York state government is prosecuting federal

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Speaker 1: government charges Joe Biden's Department of Justice in the South

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Speaker 1: Florida area, Miami area charges. And now reports are and

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Speaker 1: we told you this was likely to happen. In fact,

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Speaker 1: we told you it was going to happen. There are

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Speaker 1: going to be at a peers federal charges brought against

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump in Washington.

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Speaker 2: D C.

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Speaker 1: Associated with January sixth, a date that Democrats refuse to

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Speaker 1: allow to pass. And here is what Trump put out

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Speaker 1: this morning, Wow, on Sunday night, while I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to read the whole thing for everybody out there, just

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Speaker 1: to contextualize it further than Buck and I will react

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Speaker 1: tell you what we think is significant about this. Here

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Speaker 1: is a statement by Donald Trump, wow on Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: while I was with my family having just arrived from

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Speaker 1: the turning point event in Florida, where I won the

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Speaker 1: straw pole against all other Republican candidates with eighty five

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Speaker 1: point seven percent, with all polls showing me leading in

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Speaker 1: the Republican primary by very substantial numbers, almost everyone predicting

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Speaker 1: that I will be the Republican nominee for president and

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Speaker 1: I as I am leading Democrat Joe Biden in the

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Speaker 1: polls by a lot. Horrifying news all capital for our

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Speaker 1: country was given to me by my attorneys. Deranged Jack Smith,

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor with Joe Biden's DOJ, sent a letter again

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Speaker 1: it was Sunday night exclamation point, stating that I am

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Speaker 1: a target of the January sixth grand Jury investigation and

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Speaker 1: giving me a very short four days to report to

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Speaker 1: the grand jury, which almost always means an arrest and indictment.

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Speaker 1: So now Joe Biden's Attorney General, Merrick Garland, who I

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Speaker 1: turned down for the United States Supreme Court in retrospect

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Speaker 1: based on his corrupt and unethical actions of very wise decision,

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Speaker 1: together with Joe Biden's Department of Injustice, have effectively issued

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Speaker 1: a third indictment and arrest of Joe Biden's all caps

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Speaker 1: number one political opponent who was largely dominating him in

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Speaker 1: the race for presidency. Nothing like this has ever happened

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Speaker 1: in our country before, or even close. They illegally spied

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Speaker 1: on my campaign, attacked me with a totally fake dossier

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Speaker 1: that was funded by Hillary Clinton's campaign, and the DNC

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Speaker 1: impeached me twice. I won. They failed on the Muller

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Speaker 1: witch hunt, no collusion, They failed on Russia Russia Russia hoax,

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Speaker 1: the fifty one intelligence agents fraud, the FBI Twitter files,

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Speaker 1: the DOJ Facebook censorship, and every other scam imaginable. But

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Speaker 1: on top of all that, they have now effectively indicted

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Speaker 1: me three times. The DOJ staffed and runs the DA's

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Speaker 1: office in Manhattan, with a probable fourth coming from Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: where the DOJ are in strict and possibly illegal coordination

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Speaker 1: with the district attorney whose record on murder and other

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Speaker 1: violent crime is abysmal. All caps. This witch hunt is

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Speaker 1: all about election interference and a complete and total political

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Speaker 1: weaponization of law enforcement. It's a very sad and dark

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Speaker 1: period for our nation, all right. That is President Trump's

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Speaker 1: statement on truth Social buck. I asked the question you

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Speaker 1: can go vote in this poll? Question with imminent federal

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Speaker 1: on this program, charges in Atlanta, Georgia state law charges

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Speaker 3: The fifty percent that are already in for Trump, if

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Speaker 3: they could vote for him ten times now, I think

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Speaker 3: about even more than this one presidential contest in a sense,

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Speaker 3: and therefore standing with Trump is the only way to

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Speaker 3: stand against the machinery of Democrat destruction and authoritarianism. In

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Speaker 3: this case, It's TBD. On that second part, I think

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Speaker 3: it's very possible that we've already seen a rallying like

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Speaker 3: this is not unexpected. We have And just as a reminder,

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Speaker 3: we told everybody that the first federal indictment was coming,

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Speaker 3: and we were so early on that people were saying,

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Speaker 3: why are you assuming the federal indictment because it was coming.

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Speaker 3: Now we know, everyone knows. I think there's another one

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Speaker 3: that we'll be hitting here. In just a matter of days.

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Speaker 3: Trump is going to surrender himself again. We've already seen

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Speaker 3: this process, So the rally to Trump effect of the indictment,

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Speaker 3: we may have already largely seen that. In terms of

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Speaker 3: the polls, I don't know. Maybe there are more people

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Speaker 3: will take the and you see Nicki Haley through this

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Speaker 3: we don't have to do this everybody. You know, maybe

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Speaker 3: this isn't our problem. I don't think that's going to

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Speaker 3: resonate very much with the GOP base. Nicki Haley is

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Speaker 3: not resonating very much with the GOP base. But I

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Speaker 3: think that what this is also a reminder of is

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Speaker 3: the plan here is being executed to the maximum by

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Speaker 3: the Democrats, which was a series of escalating Notice the

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Speaker 3: way this has gone, escalating indictments, it's in effect an

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Speaker 3: incrementalization of law fair against Trump. It is the proverbial

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Speaker 3: frog in the boiling pot, the water getting high and hotter.

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Speaker 3: This is the one meaning this Jacksmith indictment about the insurrection.

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Speaker 1: You have to say it like that, Claye, just so

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Speaker 1: that's it.

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Speaker 3: You're you can only say it like you're having a

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Speaker 3: panic attack if you say that it was a riot

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Speaker 3: where the only person you know, if you say that

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Speaker 1: You're you're a bad person. If the insurrection this is

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Speaker 1: terrify you and you say you also have to say

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Speaker 1: it as if you don't have testicles, right, because that's

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Speaker 1: the way the Democrats, especially the men who support the

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Speaker 3: So here we are now with the final This is

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Speaker 3: a this is the what the the coup de grass

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Speaker 3: political moment. This is the uh, the you know, the

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Speaker 3: the finish off the Trump campaign approach where they they

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Speaker 3: want to put him in prison. And this is what

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Speaker 3: I've been saying for the rest of his life. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if they can. But just the fact that they truly,

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Speaker 1: We really want to lock up our political opponents? I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it.

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Speaker 3: You know, there weren't people who argued for it but

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Speaker 3: there was a little bit more of a bipartisan awareness

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Speaker 3: of where this goes. This is the descent into political

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Speaker 1: This is very serious stuff and.

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Speaker 3: What happens if they really do Now we talked about

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Speaker 3: with Florida that they're going to delay, and that that's

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Speaker 3: the tactic from the Trump team. The lawyer in the

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Speaker 3: First of all, she's a Trump appointee, right. Second of all,

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Speaker 3: the judge, the judge in South I'm sorry, the judge,

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Speaker 3: probably gonna get something approximating fair process. Not in terms

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Speaker 3: realistic chance that he's gonna We've talked about this, He's

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Speaker 3: gonna be okay in Florida. This Jack Smith imminent indictment

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Speaker 3: hasn't happened yet, but now it is a ninety five

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Speaker 1: I think it's high.

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Speaker 3: I thought he's giving me the thumbs up, like I

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Speaker 3: agree with you, buck, okay, ninety nine certainty, Yeah, ninety

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Speaker 3: nine point nine. He's like raised, there's betting gods son.

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Speaker 3: So this is going to be a DC judge, which

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Speaker 3: a DC jury, which is the same thing with the

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Speaker 3: with the top count I mean the counts that are

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Speaker 3: possible Clay based on everything we've seen so far. Obstruction

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Speaker 3: you did this on January sixth, oh my gosh, you know, years.

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Speaker 1: In prison, And that's what they nailed everybody with.

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Speaker 3: But it was obstruction of an official proceeding, possible defrauding

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Speaker 3: But the top count could be incitement to insurrection, and

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Speaker 3: that's I think they have to bring that count. Like,

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Speaker 3: why bring this case unless they bring that count. Even

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Speaker 3: if they only think they're gonna get Trump on the

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Speaker 3: lesser counts, which would be enough to lock him up

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Speaker 3: for years, I think they're going all the way.

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Speaker 1: There are so many angles to this buck, so many angles.

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Speaker 1: But as we are discussing, and we're going to spend

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Speaker 1: I would imagine much of today's show talking about the

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Speaker 1: potential ramifications here. Let's start here. To me, the biggest question,

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Speaker 1: I would be stunned beyond belief if I'm saying ninety

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Speaker 1: nine point nine percent chance that they're bringing federal charges

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Speaker 1: against Trump for January sixth, So we're taking the next step.

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Speaker 1: What's the timing on this? This is what I've kept hammering,

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Speaker 1: Because this one, there's going to be a conviction that

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Speaker 1: they will convict Donald Trump in the DC kangaroo court.

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Speaker 1: Where what was the math? Ninety percent of people in

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Speaker 1: DC voted against Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but but the timing of this, Yeah, it's ninety

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Speaker 3: five percent plus deal.

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Speaker 1: So win is the trial?

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Speaker 3: That's the question, right, But if you get it, if

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Speaker 3: you get an anti Trump judge, Clay, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: only you know, the motions. The judge can say no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: here's a trial date. That's it, so that the delay

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Speaker 3: Trump and going to that DC pool. I mean, keep

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Speaker 5: I absolutely do. I think I was like ninety nine percent.

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Speaker 3: So Julie, first of all, well played, you saw it coming.

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, thanks you guys for having me

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Speaker 5: Well, this is how all of these judges are, including

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Speaker 1: Okay, Julie, you just hit on what I think is

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Speaker 5: You're absolutely right. There's no one else for the grand

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Speaker 5: Of course he won't. But this investigation, recall, this investigation

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Speaker 5: prestated the appointment of Jack Smith last November it's been

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Speaker 5: going on since right after Joe Biden took took over

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Speaker 5: in January's twenty twenty one. So they've got all the

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Speaker 5: evidence they need. But here's the funny part, you guys,

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Speaker 5: they don't need evidence. I've seen the evidence in these

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Speaker 5: and these convictions. They're nothing. It's nonexistent. But it doesn't

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Speaker 5: matter because they know that this is performance art before

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Speaker 5: a journey made up of twelve voters from Washington, DC,

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Speaker 5: So they know they don't have to come up with evidence,

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Speaker 5: and these judges certainly do not hold them to account

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Speaker 5: to present invalid evidence to a jury.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this builds on the second part of this timing,

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Speaker 1: and you touched on this some with Buck. Let's say

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Speaker 1: that Trump gets indicted federally in Washington, d C. Sometime

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Speaker 1: around August first, right, I think in the next two

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Speaker 1: weeks is very likely if that we or two happen.

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Speaker 1: If he's indicted by August first, your assessment is based

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Speaker 1: on how long these trials have taken to play out.

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Speaker 1: Because you've covered all these jan six trials that there's

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Speaker 1: virtually no chance. Because you presume that Trump's defensive team,

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Speaker 1: the number one goal of them is going to be

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Speaker 1: to push this past the election, because Trump's plan is

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Speaker 1: I'll win, I'll pardon myself from all of these charges.

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Speaker 1: This is all crazy, by the way, but there's virtually

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Speaker 1: no chance, based on your experience covering jan six that

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Speaker 1: they could get a trial before the actual election takes place.

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Speaker 5: I think it would be tough to do because Trump

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Speaker 5: will his lawyer's first thing they will do will be

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Speaker 5: seek a change of venue, and that will take some time,

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Speaker 5: and obviously he will peel it if the judge denies it,

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Speaker 5: as I said they've done in every single case. So

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Speaker 5: he's going to have a lot more emotions and he's

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Speaker 5: going to have a lot better lawyers than most of

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Speaker 5: these January sixth defenders. But it would be very tough

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Speaker 5: to try to put this trial on Washington, DC before

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Speaker 5: the election. Furthermore, you guys, this is important. This is

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Speaker 5: not just going to be Donald Trump indictment. If he

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Speaker 5: is charged with saf editious conspiracy, any conspiracy charge requires

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Speaker 5: co conspirators. So you see this in the Classified Documents case.

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Speaker 5: That's how they charged his valet, Walt Nauta, in that

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Speaker 5: same indictment. This is not just going to be Trump.

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Speaker 5: It could be his lawyers. It could be White House officials,

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Speaker 5: it could be campaign staff, It could even be a

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Speaker 5: few Republican House members who are under investigation. So in check,

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Speaker 5: what the DOJ has done in these trials is added

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Speaker 5: what they're called superseding indictments, adding co conspirators to build

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Speaker 5: this massive case. So even the first indictment probably will

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Speaker 5: not be the first shot across the bow. And whoever

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Speaker 5: is indicted with Trump, I guarantee you that won't be

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Speaker 5: the end of the list of co conspirators with him.

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Speaker 5: That's why very difficult to put this on before the

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Speaker 5: November election.

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Speaker 1: Buck and I just as we finished the first hour

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Speaker 1: and you touched on it a little bit, we're discussing, okay,

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Speaker 1: Trump gets convicted when you have watched these trials and

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Speaker 1: you've seen the results. And I don't know, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was crazy that they could immediately cuff Trump and

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Speaker 1: walk him and put him in prison if he were

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Speaker 1: convicted of whatever. We don't know what the charges are.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, but have you seen most of these

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Speaker 1: Jan sixth convictions immediately lead to prison time or does

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Speaker 1: the defendant go out they come back for sentencing. This

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Speaker 1: process plays itself out. I don't know. I'm curious what

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Speaker 1: you've seen happen most frequently.

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Speaker 5: It's a good question. It's sort of a mixed bag.

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Speaker 5: Several descendants who were convicted of seditious conspiracy had already

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Speaker 5: been in custody for more than two years before their

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Speaker 5: trial went on. So for the more serious charges seditious conspiracy,

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Speaker 5: obstruction official proceeding. Of course, he's not going to be

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Speaker 5: charged with assaulting police officers. But numerous defendants were already

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Speaker 5: incarcerated under pretrial's attention awaiting trial. So if that's not

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Speaker 5: the case with Trump, if he is permitted, and it

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Speaker 5: could be some restricted release too. I've seen that home detention.

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Speaker 5: You know, you have to wear.

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Speaker 1: Something that's crazy to think about. By the way, Buck

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Speaker 1: two is the idea of pre trial motions where they say, hey,

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Speaker 1: he needs to be he can't leave his home.

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Speaker 3: We could have Trump and mar A Lago on the

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Speaker 3: golf course with an ankle monitor like this could actually happen.

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Speaker 1: This is nuts. But I'm just curious whether they're purb

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Speaker 1: walking people out with the com mean, they definitely play

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent that Jay, I mean the the like

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Speaker 1: Proud Boys guys and those guys, because otherwise it undermines, right, Julia.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're saying, if you're trying to overthrow the government,

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Speaker 3: they're saying you were risk to the entire governmental system,

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Speaker 3: as crazy as that actually is based on the facts.

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Speaker 3: So they can't say they can't convict you of trying

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Speaker 3: to overthrow the government, then say, yeah, go for a walk,

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Speaker 3: we'll see if you're a danger to the public.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see that happening, that's.

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Speaker 5: Right, And that's why I think the seditious conspiracy count

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Speaker 5: is very likely and really could result in this this

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Speaker 5: horrific unprecedented, of course, is not even the word. Scene

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Speaker 5: of a former president and meeting Republican candidate for president

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Speaker 5: being denied bail and held in a DC jail while

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Speaker 5: they drag out you know, trial mode.

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Speaker 1: That is the crazy. That is the crazy part here,

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Speaker 1: jan Like, what do you think the chances are? Sorry

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Speaker 1: to cut you off, but what you're hitting at is

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Speaker 1: so crazy, and I know we're coming up against the time,

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Speaker 1: but this is we need to talk about it when we

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Speaker 1: come back. But you think that Jack Smith might say

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Speaker 1: the president needs to be held immediately, he's a threat

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Speaker 1: to the country. He can't be allowed out pending this trial.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I believe there is a more than fifty percent

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Speaker 5: chance that Jack Smith will seek pre trial's attention for

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump if he has charged with seditious conspiracy, conspiracy,

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Speaker 5: or even obstruction of an official proceeding, because there is

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Speaker 5: precedent in this January sixth prosecution investigation.

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Speaker 3: So Clay, just to be clear, Julie thinks not only

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Speaker 3: would he go to prison if they convict him in

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Speaker 3: the DC gulag system, they may try to pre detain

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Speaker 3: him or at least put some measures on him like

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Speaker 3: home confinement or something during the election. But if it's

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Speaker 3: posted till after the election, well we have to see Julie.

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Speaker 3: Just you know, keep your phone handy. We're gonnaed to

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Speaker 3: talk to you in the months ahead of here about

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Speaker 3: all this stuff. People should go check out her A

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Speaker 3: substack declassified with Julie Kelly and uh, you were right.

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Speaker 3: Let's see if you're right on the next one. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for being with us.

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Speaker 5: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: Okay, look, I understand that you know, whether you're somebody

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Speaker 3: like me who had some training and online cyber stuff

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Speaker 3: and staying safe on the internet, when you're like a

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Speaker 3: government employee with top secret information or all that, or

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Speaker 3: you're just an everyday person. You probably think, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've got this stuff squared away. I know how to

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Speaker 3: act on line. But this stuff is getting so sophisticated

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Speaker 3: these days. Honestly, just about a week ago, I got

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Speaker 3: a text message. I thought it was from my bank.

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Speaker 3: I actually thought, because it looked just like other texts

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Speaker 3: I called my bank. They said, no, that's a scam,

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Speaker 3: found out There are pennies that had been removed from

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Speaker 3: one of my bank accounts. You know why, They were

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Speaker 3: getting ready to take the whole thing. This just happened

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Speaker 4: Truth Seeking, Reality Telling The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back in Nour number three, Newy Newsy, Newsy. It's

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Speaker 1: a wild day for those of you just getting in

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Speaker 1: your car, maybe just starting to listen across the country. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: word being shared via Trump that he is going to

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Speaker 1: be charged with federal offenses in Washington, DC. Fantastic discussion

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Speaker 1: of that with our friend Julie Kelly in the second

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Speaker 1: hour of the program. A lot of reaction buck coming in.

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Speaker 1: I was checking my mentions from David and Rhode Island,

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Speaker 1: who we finished off the hour talking with. Let me

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Speaker 1: expound a little bit more about David and Rhode Island

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Speaker 1: and the argument he made and why I find it

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Speaker 1: so indefensible. Okay, thanks for listening. David in Rhode Island.

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Speaker 1: If you are a big Trump guy, or if you

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Speaker 1: are a big DeSantis guy, or you're a nicky Haley girl,

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Speaker 1: or you're a Tim Scott girl, whatever your background is

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Speaker 1: out there in the primary, you are ardently committed to

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Speaker 1: a candidate, and, as is likely going to be the case,

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Speaker 1: your candidate may not be the primary nominee because only

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Speaker 1: one person can win. And whatever. There's twelve or thirteen

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Speaker 1: people running out there, all of them I believe are

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Speaker 1: better than Joe Biden. But if you are like David

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Speaker 1: Rhode Island called in and said I will set out

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Speaker 1: the presidential election if Trump is the nominee, you cannot

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Speaker 1: do that. You are the equivalent of a grown man

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Speaker 1: or woman who takes the ball and goes home. When

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Speaker 1: you were a kid and you were playing because the

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Speaker 1: game's not going your way. Every single Republican candidate right now,

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Speaker 1: even Asa Hutchinson, who I think is worthless, sorry Asa,

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Speaker 1: even he is better than Joe Biden. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: excited about voting for Asa Hutchinson, buck, I would go

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Speaker 1: do it. You guys heard my interview with Mike Pence.

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Speaker 1: I was not happy with Mike Pence on this show.

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Speaker 3: Let's not ask about Newsom versus Asa, though, just because

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Speaker 3: we don't want.

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Speaker 1: To get any that would be tough, my boy Newsom.

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Speaker 1: But I would go vote for Mike Pence proudly against

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. The Republican nominee is going to be infinitely

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Speaker 1: better than Joe Biden or whomver the Democrats end up

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Speaker 1: putting forward. You must vote, all right, So you cannot

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Speaker 1: allow yourself to be If you're a desantist person out

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Speaker 1: there and you're like, I hate Trump, if Trump's a

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Speaker 1: nominated no, and youve got to convince your neighbors, and

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Speaker 1: you can got to convince your wife, and you got

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Speaker 1: to convince your husband. This is a big election. The

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Speaker 1: stakes really matter they're trying to put a chief political

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Speaker 1: rival in prison for the rest of his life. We've

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Speaker 1: truly never seen this before in the history of our Republican.

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Speaker 3: They think about also what the long term implications are

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Speaker 3: of this. You know, you don't have to go very far.

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Speaker 3: As I've said, Trump can only be president for four

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Speaker 3: more years. What does it say to future Republican candidates

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Speaker 3: if you cross the Democrat machinery, if you cross the uniparty,

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Speaker 3: the apparatus, whatever you want to call it, We'll find

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Speaker 3: it way to lock you up. Not only will they

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Speaker 3: find a way to lock up other Republicans who challenge

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Speaker 3: the system and the establishment down the line, they will

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Speaker 3: do so while Democrats like the Biden crime fan are

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Speaker 3: flagrantly violating the law in the most obvious, proven, and

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Speaker 3: clear ways. And so that sends it even more really

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Speaker 3: heinous and undermining message for this country, which is it's

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Speaker 3: not just that they will target you. They will target

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Speaker 3: you while the opponents are while your political opponents are

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Speaker 3: openly brazenly breaking the law. Because that's real. True tyranny

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Speaker 3: isn't very strict law or very severe law. Is the

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Speaker 3: politicized two tier enforcement of the law and that's what

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Speaker 3: it looks like we're heading towards in this situation, in

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Speaker 3: this scenario, and I think one other part of this

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Speaker 3: play is we have to get used to you know,

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Speaker 3: you're talking about the election and the ways that everybody

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Speaker 3: has to mobilize to stop this Democrat machine. And it

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Speaker 3: totally We've said from the very beginning, whether it's Trump

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Speaker 3: or any other Republican, we will whoever the people, whoever,

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Speaker 3: this base of the Republican Party, and this audience is

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Speaker 3: a honestly probably the best representation of the Republican base

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Speaker 3: in terms of scope and mentality that exists anywhere out there,

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Speaker 3: certainly on you in the media landscape. Whoever the people pick,

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Speaker 3: wherever the Republican Party picks for its nominee, we have

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Speaker 3: to stand behind. It's very likely to be Trump. All

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Speaker 3: of that said, nothing we do with votes, nothing we

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Speaker 3: do politically, is going to stop this process that the

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Speaker 3: Democrats are unleashing against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: So we have to be prepared for that.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't matter how great that the stump speeches are that

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Speaker 3: he gives, doesn't matter how much we mobilize and how

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Speaker 3: much we donate, and all that this now has entered

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Speaker 3: around beyond politics, and it's going to be a bit

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Speaker 3: of a psychic shock, I think as we see this,

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Speaker 3: especially the possibility that was just raised in the last

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Speaker 3: hour of Trump pre trialed attention, because that's the way

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Speaker 3: they get around delay the election. I'm sorry, delay the

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Speaker 3: trial until after the election. They try to lock him

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Speaker 3: up even in advance of trial, which is possible based

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Speaker 3: on what they've done to Jay six defendants already.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I would encourage you to go make

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Speaker 1: sure you listen to that conversation with Julie Kelly, because

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Speaker 1: she's a patriot. She has killed she has gotten raked

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Speaker 1: over the Coles in a way because she's had the

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Speaker 1: audacity to question the prevailing narrative surrounding January sixth, and

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Speaker 1: she has We were just talking about reading the playbook.

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Speaker 1: She has read the playbook better than anybody out there

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Speaker 1: in terms of what was coming on January sixth, and Buck,

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Speaker 1: I think we need to build on this too. You

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Speaker 1: and I were talking about it off air. If Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump had won the election in twenty twenty, I understand

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Speaker 1: if he were president right now, sitting in the Oval Office,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he would have done anything to Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden or Hunter Biden. I really don't didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: to Hillary, that's right. I don't think he would have

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Speaker 1: had a great deal of retribution against Joe Biden. I

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Speaker 1: think you would have seen him for what he is,

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Speaker 1: a senile old man that the Democrats tried to plot

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Speaker 1: send forward to take out Trump, and he lost, And

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Speaker 1: in fact, Trump would only have if he were one

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty a little bit over a year left

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Speaker 1: in office twenty twenty four, Donald Trump justifiably is out

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Speaker 1: for blood, and he's going to want to put members

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Speaker 1: of the Biden family, potentially including Joe Biden himself, in

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Speaker 1: prison for felony behavior, for the Biden crime family behavior.

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Speaker 1: If you are the Democrat side, you've seen the way

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Speaker 1: that they have put in place legalized warfare against the

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Speaker 1: against the Trump administration, and many people who advise him,

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Speaker 1: his own attorneys, they're sometimes trying to put in prison.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you go balls to the wall after everybody

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Speaker 1: in position of power in Joe Biden's administration would do

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Speaker 1: after Meyrick, Garland, doctor Fauci, like all of them. Now

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Speaker 1: the stakes buck have moved from. You might lose an election,

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Speaker 1: but you, you go get a multimillion dollar job and

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Speaker 1: you'll live a pretty good life. Otherwise too, if you're

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Speaker 1: in the Biden administration in a position of power, and

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Speaker 1: this is what happens in third world countries. When you lose,

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Speaker 1: you and your family are in significant legal peril. That's

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Speaker 1: what the Democrats have done. They have created a new world.

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Speaker 3: So now we have to take into account that whatever reservations,

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Speaker 3: whatever glimmer of ethical hesitation, whenever you could start to

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Speaker 3: think that the Democrat apparatus has in its approach to

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Speaker 3: Trump on all of this, wipe it away because they

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Speaker 3: cannot afford you think whatever they did in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: was dirty and underhanded. We're already seeing the legal stuff.

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Speaker 3: We're not even talking yet about the election stuff. It

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Speaker 3: is going to be very, very dirty and honestly dangerous

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Speaker 3: for the country. Democrats are setting up a showdown where

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Speaker 3: their party will make it clear that the Trump election. Uh.

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Speaker 3: And this is all assuming he's the nominee, which I

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Speaker 3: keep saying, in six months, the world could look very different.

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Speaker 1: We don't know.

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Speaker 3: So, because I do get I get the Vivek Vivek emails,

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Speaker 3: I get the desientists, you know, uh. Facebook messages I

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Speaker 3: got people say, hold on, why do you keep saying

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Speaker 3: he's in the lead right now and they're indicting him

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Speaker 3: and there you know, this looks like it's going to

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Speaker 3: be very likely to be the case, but we don't know. Okay,

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Speaker 3: But Clay, when when push comes to shove at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, the Democrats cannot allow Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: to win. They will tell themselves is for the sake

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Speaker 3: of the country. But as you have just laid out,

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Speaker 3: and as we are discussing now, it is actually for

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Speaker 3: a lot of them going to be an issue of

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Speaker 3: self preservation of their careers, their wealth, their privileges, and

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Speaker 3: their power. So what does anyone think they won't be

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Speaker 3: willing to do based on what we have already seen.

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Speaker 3: This is why things get scary. This is where it

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Speaker 3: goes beyond the normal you know, back and forth throwing

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Speaker 3: punches and politics stuff too. They're setting up an existential

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Speaker 3: fight for the Republic that they think they can do

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Speaker 3: anything at all in order to win. That's the whole premise.

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Speaker 1: Everyone out there listening to us right now. They want

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Speaker 1: to catch you where they can argue that you're a

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Speaker 1: Trump motivated insurrectionist. This is important and you need to

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Speaker 1: talk to everybody out there in your family and friend

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Speaker 1: group as well. They want to argue that January sixth

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Speaker 1: was not a limited event, that there is still This

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Speaker 1: is how they would justify Donald Trump pre trial detention.

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Speaker 1: They want to argue that Trump is still plotting a coup,

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Speaker 1: that Trump's supporters are still trying to overthrow the United

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Speaker 1: States government. They are trying to catch as many people

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Speaker 1: as they can in this what they would call ongoing conspiracy.

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Speaker 3: And that person on Facebook who says you look like

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Speaker 3: a patriot, maybe it's time that we, you know, take

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Speaker 3: up arms or something, and is a fed most likely? Friends,

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Speaker 3: just remember this. Don't get pulled in to just because

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Speaker 3: they'll lock people up for just venting. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not even talking to people doing anything wrong, unethical

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Speaker 3: or illegal. You just spew your mind online. All of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, you're gonna get a knock on the door.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget that, because between I can assure you between

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Speaker 3: now and even if they don't bring it all the

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Speaker 3: way to a full prosecution, if they can arrest people

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Speaker 3: who are Trump supporters for saying intemperate and highly unwise

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Speaker 3: things online about what they're gonna do about this election,

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Speaker 3: They will do it because it just goes into the

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Speaker 3: propaganda of c we have to lock Trump up because

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Speaker 3: he's a threat to the republic itself.

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Speaker 1: A threat toward democracy. Joe Biden has argued laughably that

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Speaker 1: the biggest threat to America is white supremacy and right

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Speaker 1: right wing political idy off. Mean, it's obviously climate change.

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Speaker 1: This is upsetting. But do you know how you get

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Speaker 1: promoted at the FBI by going and finding the people

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Speaker 1: that Biden says are the biggest threats to the country.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely so. It doesn't take doesn't take a lot.

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Speaker 1: You think you're hanging out with a bunch of buddies

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Speaker 1: going target shooting practicing, you're not trying to overthrow the government.

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Speaker 1: But there that fed who's hanging out with you guys

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Speaker 1: and recording every single conversation. You have good luck when

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Speaker 1: on the front page of the New York Times you

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Speaker 1: and six buddies who've been going out having target practice

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Speaker 1: every now and then are charged with plotting a conspiracy

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Speaker 1: to overthrow the United States government because you're all Trump supporters.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times doesn't care. They'll put it on

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Speaker 1: the front page. They want it, they need it. They're

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Speaker 1: trying to catch you. Don't be dumb, don't be dumb. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't do it. It's totally true, totally agree. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to have to read your name and talk about

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Speaker 1: you on the show because somebody managed to set you up.

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Speaker 1: As it is. Clay so fired up. I'm worried that,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get a text from Lara, She's like, Hey,

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen Clay a day or two. There were

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Speaker 3: some black helicopters around the house last night, and I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna have to rally some of my old friends from

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Speaker 3: Clay out of some hell hole overseas. They're gonna stuck

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Speaker 3: him and stick him in and we can't have that, folks.

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Speaker 1: That's right. So we'll take your calls along this hour.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We'll break

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Speaker 4: Sanity in an Insane World The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. Final half hour of

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Speaker 1: the program, Buck has ducked out to try to make

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Speaker 1: a flight. Anybody flying in out of New York City

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Speaker 1: of late knows how wild that can be. We are

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Speaker 1: joined now by Chris Rufo, Senior Fellow Director of the

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Speaker 1: Initiative on Critical Race Theory at the Manhattan Institute. His

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Speaker 1: new book is out today, America's Cultural Revolution, How the

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Speaker 1: Radical Left Conquered Everything. And Chris will get to the

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Speaker 1: book here in a sec. But I wanted to start

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Speaker 1: with the news obviously of the day that came out.

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Speaker 1: What do you think is behind Democrat attempts to charge

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Speaker 1: Trump with Now it appears felonies in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: We know South Florida, We've already seen New York City,

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Speaker 1: Atlanta also seems likely. What is their game plan here

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Speaker 1: in your mind?

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Speaker 2: I mean they want to permanently and irrevocably disable President

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Speaker 2: Trump from any power in the political process and certainly

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Speaker 2: any chance at getting into political office again. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he is in their view an existential threat to the country,

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Speaker 2: they say, but really to their interests and so The

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Speaker 2: strategy that they're deploying is pretty simple and yet pretty sophisticated.

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Speaker 2: It's to deploy as many charges in as many jurisdictions

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Speaker 2: as possible, knowing that for the most part, when you're

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Speaker 2: charged with the federal crime, you are either cleaning to

871
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Speaker 2: the federal crime or convicted of the federal crime. Federal

872
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Speaker 2: prosecutors have an enormous success rate in prosecuting cases. So

873
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Speaker 2: they do forty charges here, forty charges there, a couple

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Speaker 2: of charges here, get in front of as many judges

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Speaker 2: as possible, flood the zone with lawsuits. That's their strategy.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that there's much subterfuge. I think it's

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Speaker 2: pretty a pretty hope.

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Speaker 1: I think they want Trump to be the nominee. I

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Speaker 1: think that they want to do two things.

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Speaker 2: You know, they want to disable him, either through the

881
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Speaker 2: media prior to any potential successful prosecution by delaying that

882
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: hanging it over his head, making voters fear that the

883
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Speaker 2: president or the presidential candidate could could be convicted at

884
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Speaker 2: any time. I think that's probably more the immediate strategy,

885
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Speaker 2: and I think that they also know that it helps

886
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Speaker 2: him with the base. I mean, the base seems how

887
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: illegitimate and how destructive and how vindictive and political. These

888
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Speaker 2: prosecutions have become, not just against President Trump, but even

889
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: launching FBI get investigations against parents who opposed critical race theory,

890
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Speaker 2: against you know, other people who oppose the orthodoxy, certainly

891
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Speaker 2: on social media and other venues. And so they're really

892
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Speaker 2: flexing their power, they're flexing their control and in their

893
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Speaker 2: gam But it's a win win win. They can't lose

894
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Speaker 2: from this strategy because they make him more likely to

895
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Speaker 2: win in the primary, less likely to win in the general,

896
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Speaker 2: or perhaps even they believe they could throw him in

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Speaker 2: prison before he could go into political office again.

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Speaker 1: All right, The book is America's cultural Revolution, How the

899
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Speaker 1: radical left conquered everything. We're talking to Chris Rufo. Did

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Speaker 1: you ever think that we would get to a place

901
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: that is crazy as we are right now, as crazy

902
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: as we are right now, where, for instance, and I

903
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: do think this epitomizes where we are, a man could

904
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Speaker 1: decide that he is a woman and become a women

905
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Speaker 1: sports champion. Did you think we'd get here? Where in

906
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Speaker 1: the world do we go from here?

907
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the only way out is through there's

908
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Speaker 2: no returning to the past, and for conservatives, there's no

909
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Speaker 2: more pretending that we are the establishment, that we are

910
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: in a position of institutional power. The key thing you

911
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: need to understand about the last fifty years in the

912
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Speaker 2: United States is that the radical left has successfully implemented

913
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Speaker 2: a long march to the institutions. They've established themselves within

914
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Speaker 2: the bureaucracies and government education, public universities, private universities, HR

915
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: bureaucracies everywhere, and even the corporate C suite. And so

916
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Speaker 2: you have to understand the historical progression, how they capture

917
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: the institutions, how they're weaponizing them with their ideologies, whether

918
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: it's on race or gender. And then the plan that

919
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 2: they have for you, for your family, for your workplace,

920
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: for your kids. You have to understand where it comes from,

921
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: how they acquired power. And only then do I think

922
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 2: you can actually formulate a plan for defeating it.

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Speaker 1: Are you optimistic or pessimistic when you look at the

924
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: next five to ten year years.

925
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Speaker 2: I'm fundamentally optimistic, and I think the last chapter of

926
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Speaker 2: my book is really a roadmap for counter revolution to

927
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Speaker 2: combat what we're seeing now, which is America's cultural revolution.

928
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Speaker 2: And I'm optimistic because conservatives still have political power that

929
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: they can exercise in a much more robust way. We

930
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: have majorities in state legislatures, we have the governor's mansions

931
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Speaker 2: in many states. We can revitalize those democratic structures, to

932
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Speaker 2: reform the K through twelfth curriculum, to give parents universal

933
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: school choice, to reorient the hiring process and the administration

934
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Speaker 2: of our public universities. We have these levers of power

935
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Speaker 2: that are available to us that, for whatever reason, it

936
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Speaker 2: looks like we fell asleep for forty years, haven't used them.

937
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Speaker 1: We've got to revitalize them.

938
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Speaker 2: We've got to give more power back to families, more

939
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: power back to parents, give them options so they can

940
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: build counter institutions if they want to opt out of

941
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: these mainstream left wing ideological institutions, and ultimately the public

942
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: with us, it's a question of leadership. Do our political

943
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: leaders know the history, Do they know how we've gotten here?

944
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 2: Do they know what needs to be done in order

945
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: to reconquer these institutions. That's exactly what I do in

946
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: the book, and so I hope that the book reaches

947
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: many people, whether it's parents or business owners or political leaders,

948
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: to say, you know, what the hell happened? The last

949
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Speaker 2: couple of years and what can we do about it?

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Chris Rufo the book America's Cultural Revolution,

951
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Speaker 1: How the radical left conquered everything? Last question for you,

952
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Speaker 1: and we appreciate the time. Encourage people to go check

953
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: out the book. Certainly COVID so far, I would say

954
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: the biggest legacy of COVID going forward has been it

955
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: made red states redder and blue states bluer. That then

956
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: leads to more polarization in many ways in terms of

957
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: the policies that are established through federalism in many different states.

958
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Speaker 1: Do you buy into that? If so, what should red

959
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: states be doing better of better jobs of You mentioned

960
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: the legislature majorities, certainly a lot of them are now

961
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: almost super majorities. Should red states go even farther redder?

962
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Speaker 1: And you think that accelerates the entire change of the

963
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: country as a result, Yeah, I do.

964
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Speaker 2: I think the red states must become redder in the

965
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: sense that the policies that they pursue must reflect the

966
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Speaker 2: values of the voters that put the political leaders in office.

967
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Speaker 2: And so if voters don't want critical race during the classroom,

968
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Speaker 2: if voters don't want to pay for radical DEI bureaucracies

969
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: in their public universities. If voters don't want private companies

970
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: snapping up tax breaks and then condescending and trying to

971
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: overrule the will of the public in those states, the

972
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Speaker 2: political leaders should have the courage, the fortitude, and really

973
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Speaker 2: the self discipline to go after them in a very dedicated,

974
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: very focused way. And so we need major institutional reform

975
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Speaker 2: this country. The primary venue for that is state legislatures.

976
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Speaker 2: And so we have to get the will of the voters,

977
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Speaker 2: the preferences and the values of the voters, and the

978
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 2: preferences and the values of the public institutions in alignment.

979
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Speaker 2: That's the true essence of democracy. And conservatives should not

980
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: be scared of waging into the culture war, because, after all,

981
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Speaker 2: what else do we have at the end of the

982
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: day besides the culture. That's what cultivates our kids, that's

983
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: what raises them up, and that's how we shape our

984
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: own values and ideas and relationships.

985
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Speaker 1: So the culture war matters.

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Speaker 2: If you want to win the culture war, get a

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Speaker 1: Awesome. We appreciate the time. Congrats on the book's success,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you again soon. Thank you. It's

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Speaker 1: Chris Ruffo. I'm going to take your calls to close

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