WEBVTT - 9 Great Facts about People Named Tony

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what, mango? What's up? Well, so I've been

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for days to ask you this question, But have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever heard of the Tony danzas syndrome? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>where you just walk around a house yelling Angelo. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's one variation of it, but not the one

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about here. So this is something that our

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<v Speaker 1>friend Ken Jennings came up with. He coined this term,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's when an actor plays a character with their

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<v Speaker 1>same name, or at least their same first name in

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<v Speaker 1>movies or TV shows. And so Ken gave it that

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<v Speaker 1>name because Tony Danza is, you know, kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>king of this and I know you could probably think

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<v Speaker 1>of a couple examples, but he actually start as a

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<v Speaker 1>fictional Tony in no less than ten movies and five

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<v Speaker 1>separate TV shows. Yeah, I mean I guess who's the boss?

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<v Speaker 1>Good cough Like It's true. I didn't even think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of other shows too, But it actually started when

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<v Speaker 1>he was playing the role of Tony Banta on Taxi

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<v Speaker 1>and so the character was supposed to be named Phil Banta,

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<v Speaker 1>but because Danza had actually been working as a professional

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<v Speaker 1>boxer at the time of his casting, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of his first big acting gig. The producers changed

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<v Speaker 1>his character's name because they were worried that he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>remember to respond to any name but his own, so

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Danza syndrome. But anyway, it's a pretty fitting way

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<v Speaker 1>to kick off the episode because today's show is all

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<v Speaker 1>about Tony's. Let's dive in today their podcast listeners, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson, and as always

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<v Speaker 1>I'm joined by my good friend man guess Hot Ticketer

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<v Speaker 1>and sitting behind the soundproof glass holding up a boombox

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<v Speaker 1>as he blasts Tony Tony, Tony, and it's actually on

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<v Speaker 1>a cassette tape. I don't know if you've noticed this

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<v Speaker 1>right outside the window. That's our PALIN producer, Tristan McNeil,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's always so prepared for these shows, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have in it. I was a little surprised when I

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<v Speaker 1>saw him show up with the boom box, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I go. I kicked this off with a fact about

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<v Speaker 1>Tony danzim and today's episode is of course filled with Tony's.

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<v Speaker 1>But where do you want to go with it? Here? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>how about a fact about Anthony Hopkins? Who isn't generally

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<v Speaker 1>my go to Tony, but I I stumbled into some

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<v Speaker 1>really fun research about Sounds of the Lambs this week,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's some strange things about how he got into

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<v Speaker 1>that movie. So apparently Hopkins got the script, but he

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<v Speaker 1>almost didn't read it because he thought it was a

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<v Speaker 1>kids movie. He assumed Sounds of the Lambs just had

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<v Speaker 1>to do something with like puppets or animals or something,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of funny. But I guess his agent

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<v Speaker 1>or whoever for some pressure on him to read it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he fell in love with the Hannibal Electric character.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is actually what he told Empire Magazine quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I read the script and boom, I knew intuitively how

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<v Speaker 1>to play him. I thought of him as a combination

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<v Speaker 1>of Katherine Hepburn crewman Capodi and How from two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>one Katherine and How trying to figure that one out,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't quite understand that mash up. But

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<v Speaker 1>but okay, yeah, I mean it is super weird, but

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<v Speaker 1>it obviously worked. And the most interesting thing to me

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<v Speaker 1>that I actually never picked up on is that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole movie, he's only on screen for about sixteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the character is super memorable, but apparently it's

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<v Speaker 1>only fourteen percent of the movie's run time, and apparently

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's one of the shortest lead performances to ever

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<v Speaker 1>win an Oscar. It's probably something that bugs Sean Connery

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<v Speaker 1>because he was actually the top pick for the role

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<v Speaker 1>until he turned it down because he said it was

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<v Speaker 1>too revolting. Really, he was given he wanted, they offered

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<v Speaker 1>him that role. That's pretty interesting alright. Well, speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>actors who've turned down roles, one of Tony Shaloub's most

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<v Speaker 1>beloved roles is that of Adrian Monk. And if you've

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<v Speaker 1>watched the show Monk, you know that this character is

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of quirky private detective. He's got O c. D.

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<v Speaker 1>But Schaloub wasn't the first choice for the role. ABC

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<v Speaker 1>actually wanted to hire Michael Richards, which is it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of weird when like when you hear who turns down

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<v Speaker 1>these roles, it's hard to picture them. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Seinfeld had just ended and they thought pulling Cramer for

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<v Speaker 1>the role would be huge. But after this long song

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<v Speaker 1>and dance, Richard passed on the project because he felt

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<v Speaker 1>that the character wouldn't allow for enough comedic possibilities. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the funny part. So once Michael Richards wasn't attached

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<v Speaker 1>to it, ABC lost interest. They decided to pass, and

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<v Speaker 1>thankfully the USA Network swooped in to take a chance

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<v Speaker 1>on the show with saloub and the starring role. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's what makes the story extra satisfying. So Tony schlub

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<v Speaker 1>had actually auditioned to play Kramer on Seinfeld years the

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<v Speaker 1>part went to Richards. So in a weird way, the

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<v Speaker 1>actors have been passing roles back and forth for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so weird. And there's such different actors. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't really imagine them replacing one, not imagine either

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<v Speaker 1>in the other's role. But you know what else's funny

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<v Speaker 1>is that I feel like Kramer or Michael Richards after

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<v Speaker 1>Seinfeld his first show was a detective show. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why why Monk in particular wasn't funny enough for him.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's this great story I read this week about

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Braxton, and it's really about how Tony Braxton was discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is years before she recorded on Break My Heart.

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<v Speaker 1>She was attending Bowie State University for a teaching degree

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<v Speaker 1>and then one day on her way to school, she

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<v Speaker 1>stopped to gas up her car and and she started

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<v Speaker 1>singing to herself, and the gas station attendant hurt her

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<v Speaker 1>and he broached her, and apparently he was this aspiring songwriter.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's name was William Petaway Jr. And he asked

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<v Speaker 1>if he could work with her on some demos, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess she agreed, and within a few months, Braxton

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<v Speaker 1>had actually decided to set aside teaching and became a

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<v Speaker 1>professional singer instead. And it's just such an unbelievable story,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is how she explained it to NPR quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I got five dollars I borrowed from my dad, and

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the gas station in Annapolis, Maryland, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had a plan. I was going to put three

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in my gas tank and keep two dollars for lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>And this gas attendant comes up to me and he's

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<v Speaker 1>staring at me, and I'm thinking, okay, a little weird.

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<v Speaker 1>But then he says, all of a sudden, are you

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<v Speaker 1>a singer? And he says, no, really, I've seen you

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<v Speaker 1>sing around the city. I'm a producer and I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to do some demos for you. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking this is a line. He might be crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>He works at a gas station, but sometimes in life,

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<v Speaker 1>you're at the right place at the right time, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to take risks. And it turned out to be legitimate.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the guy who co wrote the songs that

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<v Speaker 1>Millie Vanilli were just starting to get some attention for

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe. Is that crazy? Like like it goes from

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<v Speaker 1>this gas station story somehow, like he gets this song

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<v Speaker 1>picked up by Millie Vanilli And I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just all amazing to be enough said. I mean, at

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<v Speaker 1>that point in my life, I was a huge Millie

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<v Speaker 1>Vanilli fan. I have bought the singles, you know all that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a that's pretty amazing. All well, here's a story

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<v Speaker 1>that's equally unbelievable to me. And it's about Tony Collette,

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<v Speaker 1>who's been in everything from The sixth Sempts to Little

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Sunshine Too, you know, several other hits. And you

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<v Speaker 1>might wonder how good an actress she is, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>actually such a good actress that when she was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>she faked appendicitist to get out of going to school

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, and the doctor actually operated on herselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean she might be a good actress, but you

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<v Speaker 1>do have to question that a little bit. And and

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<v Speaker 1>of course nowadays she thinks of this as this total embarrassment.

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<v Speaker 1>But still that's impressive. I mean, that is a big

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<v Speaker 1>commitment to the role, right And apparently after the surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor came out sort of you know, sheepish lee

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<v Speaker 1>and said that they had removed it but that it

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<v Speaker 1>was only slightly infected. That's ridiculous and actually pretty hard

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<v Speaker 1>to top. I don't know if I have a fact

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<v Speaker 1>that's better than that one. But here's a super, super

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<v Speaker 1>weird one that I only found out about through Gabe,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's about Tony the Tiger, who was apparently plagued

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<v Speaker 1>by lew demands from the furree community. And there's lots

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<v Speaker 1>of evidence of this on Twitter. So basically, if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at just about any tweet from the official Tony

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<v Speaker 1>the Tiger Twitter account in the last three or four years,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find like dozens of replies from this fan base.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, some of them are pretty benign. They

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<v Speaker 1>say things like Tony, I want to smooch you. But

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<v Speaker 1>then there are a whole lot more that are less

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<v Speaker 1>family friendly and we can't hear in this episode. But

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand sixteen, Tony started blocking the counts from

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who was hitting on him. But this only enraged

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<v Speaker 1>the free community and and suddenly they started flooding the account.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on January sixteen, Tony tweeted, I'm all for

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<v Speaker 1>showing your stripes, feathers, et cetera, but let's keep things

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<v Speaker 1>great and family friendly. Cubs could be watching. So unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>many commentators didn't really honor this request, and eventually the

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<v Speaker 1>real Tony Tiger Twitter account was taken down. It was

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<v Speaker 1>relaunched as a more generic Frosted Flakes account and when

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<v Speaker 1>where the tweet aren't actually written from the mascot's perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>so it gave actually sent me the story. He had

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<v Speaker 1>this great line about it. He wrote, Apparently we're just

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<v Speaker 1>not mature enough as a species to handle a Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>page that's hosted by a buff cartoon. Tiger's just not

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<v Speaker 1>ready for that. Maybe one day we're not there. Yeah, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>Well here's something I'd never realized. But did you know

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<v Speaker 1>that the Tony Awards were actually named for a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's this actress, Antoinette Perry. She was born in

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado in and actually I learned this from our pala,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron over at Mental Flaws. But Tony, who spelled her

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<v Speaker 1>name with an eye, which is of course not how

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<v Speaker 1>the award is spelled. She always knew that she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be an actress, and she wrote about this. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's what she says. She says, when I was six,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say I'd become an actress. I felt like one.

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<v Speaker 1>No one could convince me I wasn't. So she joined

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<v Speaker 1>her uncle's troupe and over the years worked as a

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<v Speaker 1>director and a producer. You know, roles really only men

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<v Speaker 1>were getting at the time. She founded the American Theater Wing,

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<v Speaker 1>so when she passed away, the award was created in

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<v Speaker 1>her honor so that she would always be remembered. And

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<v Speaker 1>while the original Tony Awards were these giant scrolls that

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<v Speaker 1>they'd hand out to winners, they later got you swapped

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<v Speaker 1>out for the medals that were used to Now I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to see those scrolls. That's crazy. Well, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>two more Tony facts to go, but before that, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break. Welcome back to Part Time Genius.

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<v Speaker 1>We we're talking facts about Tony's So we only realized

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<v Speaker 1>that during our break, but I guess you and I

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<v Speaker 1>both chose to do our final fact on Anthony Bourdaine.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you actually read that oral history that g Q

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<v Speaker 1>put together did? That was pretty incredible. It was amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the whole thing, like like how shy he was,

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<v Speaker 1>that he was clumsy, Like I love the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>like they got this detail that he shows up to

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<v Speaker 1>meetings twenty to twenty five minutes early, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, his friends always would try to show up

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<v Speaker 1>earlier to beat him, but he'd just be there in

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<v Speaker 1>the lounge with like a cup of coffee in the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty great. But you know, I was curious how

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<v Speaker 1>he got into food, and apparently it came from this

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<v Speaker 1>encounter with a French oyster fisherman when he was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess his family had gone to France and

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<v Speaker 1>they wound up staying at a house right next door

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<v Speaker 1>to the fisherman. So one day during their stay, the

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<v Speaker 1>gentleman takes the Bourdain's out on his boat and after

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<v Speaker 1>sailing for a while, he offers them some fresh caught

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<v Speaker 1>oysters for lunch, and something I guess just clicked with Bourdaine.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is how he describes in his book Kitching Confidential. I,

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<v Speaker 1>in the proudest moment of my young life, stood up smartly,

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<v Speaker 1>grinning with defiance, and volunteered to be the first. I

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<v Speaker 1>took it in my hand, tilted the shell back into

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<v Speaker 1>my mouth, as instructed by the now beaming Miss Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Your and with one bite and a slurp, wolfed it down.

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<v Speaker 1>It tasted of sea water, of Brian and flesh and

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<v Speaker 1>somehow of the future. I just love that. I was

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<v Speaker 1>also reading about the other meal he loved besides oysters,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was the breakfast he ate whenever he was

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<v Speaker 1>home in New York City. Apparently he loved going to

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<v Speaker 1>Barney Green Grass and and he ordered what he called

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<v Speaker 1>the best breakfast in the universe, which was eggs grambled

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<v Speaker 1>with nova Scotia locks and a bagel with cream cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the day he passed away, at the staff

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<v Speaker 1>of the deli set out his usual breakfast at the table,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was as a tribute, and the deli's owner,

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<v Speaker 1>toul ci n then it's a sad day. He touched

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of lives. TV makes you famous, but he

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<v Speaker 1>never acted that way. Wow, that's heartbreaking. That's really sweet

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<v Speaker 1>that they did that. But al right, well, after talking

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<v Speaker 1>about two things Tony Bourdaine loved, maybe we should end

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<v Speaker 1>on a food that he really hated. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy had tried all kinds of things, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some things that he acknowledged not loving, including the lightly

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<v Speaker 1>grilled wart hog rectum in the media, but he claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that one of the most stomach churning foods he had

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<v Speaker 1>ever eaten was the chicken McNugget. What I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's outrageous. Maybe you didn't have it with changes everything. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what he told the A V Club about his experience.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, given the choice between reliving the ward hog

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<v Speaker 1>experience and eating a McNugget, I'm surely eating the McNugget.

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<v Speaker 1>But at least I knew what the word hog was,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas with the McNugget, I think it's still an open question.

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<v Speaker 1>Scientists are still one. Well, I guess you can't fault

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<v Speaker 1>him for that, but you know, I'm still blown away

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<v Speaker 1>by your story of Tony Collette taking her appendicitis, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and feeling the doctors. I I do think you get

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<v Speaker 1>the trophy for that today really was impressive. Well, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you and from Gabe, Tristan, Mango and me. Thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much for listening the two Lake