1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: We're on from one until four and after four o'clock. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: John Cobelt's show on demand on the iHeart app. What 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: happened to the Tracy Park press conference? I'd still just 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: never not never got off the ground still hasn't started. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: All right, all right, we'll bring it to you when 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: it happens. 9 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: We have more to tell you about the fire that 10 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: they got the suspect today, Jonathan Render knocked and there's 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: this is only the beginning. Okay, this is a big piece. 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: Who did it? But it turns out to be a 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: crazy person like a lot of arsonists are, and he 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: got off on doing it. 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Well, he's an Uber driver. 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: So this is why we'll take Uber, I don't take 17 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: like regular Uber, because this is the guy that shows 18 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: up like mister arsonist, shows up late at night. He 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: was driving around on New Year's Eve dropping people off, 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: and then stopped and started the fire that became the 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: biggest most damaging blazeonel history. And it was just greasy 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: looking freak. All right, let's get to here's another story. 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: We were following quite a bit. A couple of weeks ago, 24 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: Ricardo Lara cal Fart Lara, he's the insurance commissioner and 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: KGO TV up in San Francisco, did a very long, 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 2: ten minute story. It's actually the second time they've covered 27 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: this issue, and this was much more information. He's gone 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: on forty eight trips while insurance commissioner over the last 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: six years, seven years, and many of them he charged 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: to the taxpayers just tens of thousands of dollars. And 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: many of these trips had nothing to do with insurance, 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: nothing to do with government, nothing to do with us. 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: He's going to Pride Week in New York City. 34 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: He went. 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: Down a safari in South Africa. He went to some 36 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: conference of gay politicians to talk about what it's like 37 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: being gay at a politician charged this all brought big security, 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: private security. 39 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: Not only that, but he had they also had chp 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: and and other trips that were for pleasure, were for fun. 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to talk now with David tangipa California 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: State Assemblyman, and we're going to find out if anybody 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: in government. It looks like the California Affair Political Practices 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: Commission is going to look into this but is anybody 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: in government going to hold this guy to accountable. He's 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: not explaining any of that. Let's let's get David on. 47 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: How are you. 48 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: I'm doing well? How you doing? 49 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm fine? Well, what's going on with this story? 50 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: Well, I think if you saw my statement, I feel 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: the exact same way you do. I was reading this 52 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: report and I was like, it's insanity that not enough people, 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: the media and everybody else aren't talking about this. It's 54 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: insanity to me that we haven't already called for his resignation. So, 55 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: as a freshman legislator, I told my team, let's get 56 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: it together. We're going to hold this guy accountable, and 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 3: we're going to ask for his resignation and disgrace because 58 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: what does a safari have to deal with do with insurance? 59 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: What does a lavish trip to five star in penthouse 60 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: hotels have to do with insurance? And especially if you're 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: in the LA area or in the southern California area 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: and you've had to stay in a motel because you 63 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: lost your property and you got canceled the week before, 64 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: or if you can't get or afford insurance right now, 65 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: or the prices are way too high, that it's more 66 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: than your mortgage that you ever paid for before. You 67 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: should be just as angry as I am because my 68 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: family had their property destroyed in the car fire. And 69 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: not only that, earlier this year, I was removed and 70 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: kicked off of the insurance Committee before it even started 71 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: because I wanted to ask the hard questions and I 72 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: knew that this would be a problem. But now our 73 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: insurance commissioner is flying off and having VIP parties with 74 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: DJ Kitty Glitter while people are suffering from the insurance 75 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: crisis and catastrophe that we are in. It is unacceptable, 76 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: and Ricardo Laura must resign. 77 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: And he's getting protected by the Democratic Infrastructure and Sacramento. 78 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: Well this every single one of his trips were signed 79 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: off and approved by the governor's office. Really the way 80 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 3: it works, and if oh yeah, every single one of 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: these have to be signed off. 82 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, So he puts in to go to 83 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: a Safari we pay for all the hotel and food 84 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: and transportation and all of security, and somebody at the 85 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: government's office looks at that and says, yeah, fine, sure, 86 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: go ahead. 87 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: Really exactly, that's exactly what happens. And that's the part 88 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: where I look at it, and there was a trip 89 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: was a forty eight hours, it was a two day trip. 90 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: He turned it into a two and a half week 91 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: vacation and submitted that as legislative purpose. That's how you 92 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 3: get these trips approved. You have to say that there's 93 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: a legislative purpose to it. And so he has weaponized 94 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: that entire system. And there's even times where I think 95 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: he spent about eleven six hundred dollars for a trip 96 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: in New York and didn't even attend any of the 97 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: insurance meetings and called it legislative purpose and it was 98 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: signed off by the governor's office. This isn't alleged. These 99 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: are the receipts that we are reading. 100 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god, And that two and a half week 101 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: African safari was totally paid for by us, the tax payers. 102 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: And it was a forty eight hour conference. It was 103 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: a two day conference that turned into two and a 104 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 3: half weeks, fully paid for thirty three thousand dollars people 105 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: of California. 106 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: And Newsom's office signs off on it. And now nobody 107 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 2: wants to talk about this. 108 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: Huh. 109 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: Well, here's the worst part about it. This is a 110 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: very small portion of the forty plus trips. He went on, 111 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: we don't even have half of the reports yet. 112 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: They won't release them from his office. 113 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 3: We're waiting, and I can tell you this, we're demanding now. 114 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: And when I first got elected in the office, there 115 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: was this insurance. There was a roundtable under the California 116 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: Chamber of Commerce and it was called the new Kids 117 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: on the Block, and they asked each one of us 118 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 3: what was the most important issue in the state of California. 119 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: And I said, insurance, and insurance will collapse the state 120 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: because it is woven into every single fabric, into our business, 121 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: into our commercial business, into how we drive on a road, 122 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 3: into how we operate our day to day lives. And 123 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: there is a catastrophe coming and we were one large 124 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: scale disaster away from collapsing the entire system. And that 125 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 3: happened on January seventh with the Palisades and the Eton fire. 126 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: And they're going to say it's all of these other reasons. 127 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: It's potentially Donald Trump, it's climate change, Garah Lixen, and 128 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: negligence from the elected leaders in California. They are stealing 129 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: from you. I want every single voter to know this. 130 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: They are stealing from you. It feels like Marie Antoinette 131 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: let them eat cake, and the people here are suffering, 132 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: and the people in Sacramento don't even understand it, and 133 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: they are stealing from the Californians and they're doing it 134 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: right in front of our face. When are we going 135 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: to stand up and force them out? 136 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: Obviously, in a normal state, this would be something for 137 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: the Attorney General's office to investigate. But since that's not 138 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: going to happen because Rob Bonta is a member of 139 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: the club, is there any entity that can investigate this? 140 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: Well, I will tell you this, I will not stop. 141 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: I will exhaust every single option we can. We will 142 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: file as many reports as we can. I will call 143 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: on the federal administration. I will call on every single 144 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: aspect that I can find to make sure that we 145 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: can expose this because I have friends, I have family, 146 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: I have people I care about, and I have my 147 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 3: constituents that are telling me that they can't live their 148 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: day to day lives and they are choosing whether to 149 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: pay for insurance, food skipping a meal, or their utility cost. 150 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: And if we have people right now using taxpayer funds 151 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: to go on lavish trips in Champagne, suites. It is 152 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: despicable and we won't stop until we find somebody who 153 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: goes after them. 154 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: That's really disgusting. 155 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: The California Fair Plan, which is the last resort for insurance, 156 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,359 Speaker 2: that's going to go up thirty six percent the premiums 157 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: for next year. Thirty six percent increase was announced the 158 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: other day. 159 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: Exactly well, not only that the Fair Plan is in 160 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: such a dire state, and insurance is also so. I 161 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: used to be the vice chair of the Insurance Committee 162 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: and I was deep diving into everything. Here's the real 163 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 3: state of affairs of the Fair Plan. There was one 164 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: point two billion dollars held in the account for the 165 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: fires the Palisades wipe that entire serve out and left 166 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: us in a hole six hundred and eighty million dollars. 167 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: The State of California, under the Insurance Commissioner, issued a 168 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: reassessment that is paid for by every single taxpayer in 169 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: the State of California, of one billion dollars. That has 170 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: pulled us out of the hole and will leave us 171 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty million in the account to now 172 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 3: cover seven hundred billion in assets under the Fare Plan. 173 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: We don't have more than one percent in reserves for 174 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: the next fire. The sad part about this is what 175 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: that means is if you're next in line in an 176 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 3: area that is highly covered by the fare plan, you 177 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 3: just better hope that your home burns down first, because 178 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: if your home burned down burns down last, there is 179 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: no money in the account. There is nothing there if 180 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 3: we lose again another fire, just like the Palisades, and 181 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: which actually one of the largest areas of risk right 182 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: now is the Big Bear area in that southern San 183 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: Jose area. You follow the cancelations, you'll find the risk. 184 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: Those areas have billions of dollars under exposure, and we 185 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: only have three hundred and fifty million for the next 186 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: large scale catastrophe. It is it is insanity that anybody 187 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 3: who is in charge of insurance in the state of 188 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: California can even take one day of break, because the 189 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: people of California are suffering. 190 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: David, we will keep talking about this. Everything you find out, 191 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: please let us know. We'll put you on immediately. 192 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm relentless, I'm not married, i don't have kids, 193 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: so this is my baby and I'm gonna hold them 194 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 3: accountable to. 195 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: It, all right, David ted GEEPA he's a Republican assemblyment 196 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: and that Ricardo Larra going off on dozens of trips 197 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: that nobody wants to explain, and the few trips that 198 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: have been explained by KGOTV up in San Francisco, he 199 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: spent tens of thousands of dollars two and a half 200 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: weeks a Safari trip in Africa, and we paid for everything, 201 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 2: five star hotels, an enormous amount of private security, extreme scandal, 202 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: and not a. 203 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: Word from anybody in government. 204 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: And as he said, signed off by Newsom's office, go ahead, 205 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: enjoy your two and a half weeks. 206 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: Sure the suckers will pay for it. 207 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 4: Boor coming up, you're listening to John Cobelt on demand 208 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 4: from KFI AM six forty. 209 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 2: Coming up after a two point thirty, we're going to 210 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: have Roger Bailey, he's the attorney representing many many Palisades residents, 211 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 2: to talk about the big bombshell. This morning, the US 212 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: Attorney Bill of Sale held a press conference along with 213 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: other officials, and they announced they have a suspect in 214 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 2: the Palisades fire. Jonathan rinder Nack, a twenty nine year 215 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: old who lived in the Palisades before fleeing to Florida, 216 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: after he realized that the Feds were onto him. He'd 217 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: started it as an arson case New Year's Day. 218 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: He was I don't know. 219 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: He went to check at GPT and had some kind 220 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: of artwork created about a fire in a forest along 221 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: with a crowd looking at it, and he was listening 222 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: to some French song, a rap song, and the video 223 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: showed fire images and he had a fire obsession. This 224 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: was all feeding in into his head. He was just 225 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: one of these greasy looking losers who was an uber driver. 226 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: And people remembered driving the uber New Year's Eve in 227 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: the Palisades and at some point after midnight he got 228 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 2: out of the uber and went up there and started 229 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: the fire. And they suppressed it the fire department after 230 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: a few hours, but then seven days later it reignited 231 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 2: because of the strong winds and all the things that 232 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: most people in the Palisades want to know, no answers. 233 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: Yet after nine months, why did they put it out completely? 234 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: Why do they leave it to smolder? Where's the mayor 235 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: in Africa? 236 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: Right? 237 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: Where's Kristin Crowley, the fire chief? Why didn't she send 238 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: a crew to monitor once it became clear it was 239 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: going to be a windy, windy day. Had she sent 240 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: a crew there, maybe none of this fire damage would 241 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: have happened. Maybe six thousand families would still have their homes, 242 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: maybe twelve people wouldn't die. How many people would they 243 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: have needed to go back to the site of the 244 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: original fire, And according to an assistant fire chief in 245 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: the New York Times, he said, yeah, that's what you do, 246 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: because the fire remained smoldering in the dense vegetation down believe, 247 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 2: down below. In fact, Oh, that's right, We've got Carl. 248 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: Let's do Carl Demyo here, Sorry about that, Carl Demyo. 249 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: He's got a lot of events today. He's the Republican 250 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: to send them in. He heads reform California, and today's 251 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: the day that you can go to his sites. And well, 252 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: let Carl tell if somebody goes to your site today, 253 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: what can they get? 254 00:13:59,000 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: What can they do? 255 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 5: So we're going to do a couple things. Number one, 256 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 5: we're trying to do the California. 257 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: Voter ID initiative. 258 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 5: We need a million signatures on petitions, so we want 259 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 5: people to sign the petition and also they can pick 260 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 5: up additional copies of the petition to take home to 261 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 5: friends and family to circulate it and get more signatures 262 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 5: and return them. We also have no on Prop fifty materials, 263 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 5: lawn signs and other materials available to distribute today and 264 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 5: at other events throughout the next several weeks. So today, 265 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 5: we're in ten locations in southern California in the KFI 266 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 5: listening audience area. Temecula, Corona, San Bernardino, Escandido, San Diego, 267 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 5: Mission Valley, Thousand Oaks, Santa Clarita, Torrents, Huntington Beach, Tustin, 268 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 5: and Laguna. You can get a complete list of addresses 269 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 5: where we are at giving out the petition and collecting 270 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 5: signatures at voterid events dot org or go to join 271 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 5: Caral dot org or join Carl dot org. That's Carl 272 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 5: to see. We also have other events coming up in 273 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 5: the next couple of weeks in southern California at different 274 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 5: times and locations. We have all of those events at 275 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 5: that same website. We need people to get engaged to 276 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 5: collect signatures for voter ID to get out the message 277 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 5: as to why people should vote no on Prop fifty. 278 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 5: The best way for you to engage in the campaign 279 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 5: show up at one of these events, the ones that 280 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 5: we're holding this afternoon in front of all these stores 281 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 5: throughout southern California, or at one of the events coming 282 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 5: up in your area in the coming weeks. 283 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: All right, Carl Demile, talk again later. Thank you, thank you, 284 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: thank you. All right, So, all. 285 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: Right, after Debra's news, we're gonna Roger Bailey come on 286 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: the attorney because it was quite a bombshell today and 287 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: we'll talk about the work that they went through to 288 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: get the We're gonna play some clips from the from 289 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: Kenny Cooper, he's Special Agent in charge of LA's Field 290 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: Division for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and 291 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: they were literally crawling around on their hands and knees 292 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: looking for the evidence to a pinpoint to how the 293 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: fire started, where it started, who started. 294 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: It, and all. 295 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: That was quite an investigation that took nine months. So 296 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: now that we have those questions answered, how about the response, 297 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: the horrific response, and the lack of action by the 298 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: fire department to tend to the hotspot there, because apparently 299 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: it's common knowledge in the firefighting industry. You have a hotspot, 300 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: you have strong winds, it can whip up and turn 301 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: into a big blaze a few days later. Roger Bailey, 302 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: the attorney representing many Palisades residents, is going to be 303 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: on next also after three o'clock, Sayid Kashani. He's another 304 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: attorney from the Palisades who's been with us frequently. He 305 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: goes to public meetings about this, and he lost his home. 306 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: So continuous coverage about this coming up. 307 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels from KFI A six forty. 308 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Attention tax jeets. 309 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 2: The IRIS is furlowing almost half its workforce and shuddering 310 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: most of their operations because of the government shut down. 311 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: So does this mean that we don't have to pay 312 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: our taxes? I believe? So, okay, cool, all right, let's 313 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: get Roger Bailey on. 314 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: Roger Bailey's attorney representing many many Palisades residents. And today 315 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: we found out that Jonathan rendered act is the arsonists 316 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: who started the fire. But he said it on the 317 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: first of January, and after the fire department suppressed it, 318 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: it continued smoldering in the vegetation and reignited when the 319 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: winds blew on January seventh, And we know the story 320 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: from there, but they have the guy, and let's talk 321 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: to Roger Bailey. 322 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: How are you Roger good John, how are you. What's 323 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: your first reaction when you heard this? 324 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 6: Well, I have to tell you, we knew this was 325 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 6: coming months out. We didn't know the particulars, but we 326 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 6: knew there was a criminal investigation, and we knew that 327 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 6: that investigation was focused on the January one Lachmann fire, 328 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 6: not the Palisades fire. So what's important for people to 329 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 6: understand is there really are two separate fires, one on 330 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 6: January one, which was declared fully contained on January one, 331 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 6: and then we have the Palisades fire starting on January seventh. 332 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 6: And the cause of Palisades, as we talked about the 333 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 6: last two times I was with you, was a rekindling 334 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 6: of some members that were remaining on the state's land 335 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 6: for six days. So we kind of knew this was coming, 336 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 6: and I've already factored it into our analysis. 337 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 2: Well, this but also give you confirmation for what you're 338 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 2: going to be when you start going after depositions and 339 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: you start making demands and claims against the city, it 340 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: looks like they should have put it out and monitored 341 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: the fire, especially during the windstorm. I mean, there's some 342 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 2: kind of massive neglect and incompetence going on here. That 343 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: the fire commanders didn't keep a crew there or have 344 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: one show up on January seventh. 345 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 6: Now, that's exactly right. You know, this was a small 346 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 6: fire relatively speaking, on January one. And you know the 347 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 6: protocol is when you declare a fire fully contained or extinguished, 348 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 6: you position watch crews and you know, they even have 349 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 6: these thermal scopes that can detect heat in the ground 350 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 6: and everything, so there's a protocol that they follow. But 351 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 6: this Palisades fire. The other thing the US Attorney confirmed 352 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 6: is that the Palistats fire started on state land. Now, 353 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 6: you remember last time we spoke together, Newsom had gone 354 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 6: public and said Palisades fire started on Stetter property. Well, 355 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 6: we just heard from the FEDS today that no, in fact, 356 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 6: the Pali States fire started on state land. Therefore, it 357 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 6: was the state's obligation to go out and inspect the 358 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 6: land make sure there weren't any lingering embers, and none 359 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 6: of that happened. We don't know what they were doing, 360 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 6: but they certainly weren't out looking at the burn scar 361 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 6: from this January one fire. 362 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: Oh so it rekindled on state. 363 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 6: Land, absolutely true. Yeah, and that's confirmed. And if you 364 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 6: look at the criminal complaint that was filed today. There's 365 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 6: a nice chart that shows where the Lockman fire started 366 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 6: on January one, and then there's a in that same chart, 367 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 6: it shows where the Palisades fire started, and it's squarely 368 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 6: on state land, just as we alleged several months ago. 369 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 2: But LA Fire Department responded. Were there any state firefighters 370 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: that responded as well? Like, when you have a fire 371 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 2: like that, who's got the jurisdiction to put it out? 372 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 6: Well, it's state land, and I don't know whether you 373 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 6: remember of it. Last time I was with you, we 374 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,239 Speaker 6: were fascinated that Newsom reported that he dispatched, you know, 375 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 6: all of these fire engines and National Guard troops pre 376 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 6: deployed them. And then when we got the records, there 377 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 6: was no state engines and no state troopers that were 378 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 6: dispatched to the Palisades fire. So sometimes the state can 379 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 6: can delegate to the you know, the LAFD, you know, 380 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 6: will you go and check things out, But the buck 381 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 6: stops with the state. It's it's the state's land and 382 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 6: they have an obligation to make sure somebody's there inspecting 383 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 6: their land. And that didn't happen. 384 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: He lies about everything. 385 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: Seriously, I'm actually astonished on how consistently he lies big issues, 386 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: small issues, it doesn't matter. Wow, that's uh yeah, that's 387 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: something else. Uh So what else did you hear that 388 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: bolsters or changes your case today? 389 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 6: Well, we got the details about this particular arsonist, and 390 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 6: I suppose what jumped out of it to me is 391 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 6: just a citizen is I can't imagine a maneuverer driver 392 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 6: with a lighter is capable of burning down the palisades. 393 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 6: But apparently that's the claim is this guy got up 394 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 6: into the brush on the first of January and with 395 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 6: a lighter started a fire, and the end result of that, 396 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 6: according to them, was that all of the palisades burned down. 397 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 6: And we know there were so many intervening failures by 398 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 6: the government, beginning with the state not to inspect its 399 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 6: land to make sure there were no embers, and then 400 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 6: continuing with the city having the Sanaaz Reservoir drained and 401 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 6: rendered that entire water supply system inoperable. So with no 402 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 6: sen Inez online, the pressure in that system so that 403 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 6: you turn on the first few hydrants and the pressure 404 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 6: drops and ultimately they run out of water. And then 405 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 6: they didn't turn off the power, so all of the 406 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 6: every damage that we see. 407 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, everything failed. 408 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 6: The failure of the government. Yeah, I mean any of 409 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 6: the government. 410 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: I just can't believe that the hydrants failed, the reservoir 411 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: was empty, they didn't turn off the power, they didn't 412 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: clear out the vegetation, they didn't monitor the site of 413 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: the original fire. 414 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: Nothing, they didn't do anything. 415 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 6: That's why it's so outland just to think a guy 416 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 6: with a light or can burn down the Palisades, It's 417 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 6: just it's inconceivable. But that's you know, that's what we 418 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 6: have because of the government failures, the intervening government failures, 419 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 6: not having water, not turning off the power, not inspecting 420 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 6: the state land to make sure there were no embers. 421 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 6: All of that resulted in the Palisades devastation. 422 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: And everybody just bops along and they continue to live 423 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: their lives in government. Only Kristin Crowley, the fire chief. 424 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 2: She was used as a scapegoat and fired. But everybody 425 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 2: else keeps earning their pensions, earning their paychecks, keeping their position, 426 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: not responding in any way to any scrutiny, and outside 427 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: of your law firm and others, nobody's even providing any 428 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 2: scrutiny anymore. Nine months have gone by, and this is 429 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: no longer news, this is no longer part of the conversation. 430 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 6: It's massive deflection. No one stepped up to accept accountability 431 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 6: and responsibility. They want, apparently, they want the public to 432 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 6: accept that this one uber driver is the sole reason 433 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 6: the Palisades doesn't exist anymore. And we know that's just 434 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 6: not the case. Governments failed massively before, during, and after 435 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 6: the fire. 436 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: Well, I know firsthand that the residents in the Palisades 437 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: are not buying it. They know what went on. Roger, 438 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: keep fighting. We'll talk with you again soon. Thank you. 439 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 6: You bet to take care. John. 440 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: All right, that's Roger Bailey, an attorney for many many 441 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: of the Palisades residents. Coming up after three o'clock, We're 442 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: going to talk to another attorney from the Palisades. He 443 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: lost his house entirely. He's been on our show many times, 444 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: and he shows up at the meeting, said Kashani, And 445 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: we'll get his response to the suspect, Jonathan Kindernoch being 446 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 2: named today. Also, we got to play you that Katie 447 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: Porter interview later on in the show. Katie Porter, who's 448 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: supposed to be the top Republican I'm sorry, the top 449 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: Democratic ubernatorial candidate. She's on top of the polls, ahead 450 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: of all the other candidates from both parties. We call 451 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: her missus potato Head. Missus potato Head got very angry 452 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: with an interviewer up in Northern California for CBS. We're 453 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 2: going to play you the whole clip because she got 454 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 2: upset that the report was asking follow up questions. This lady, 455 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: Katie Porter, is not mentally stable and should not be 456 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: anywhere near the governor's office. 457 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: More coming up. 458 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM. 459 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: Six forty after three o'clock. 460 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: We're going to talk to attorney said Kashani has been 461 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 2: with us quite a few times about the Palisades fire. 462 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: He lost his home in the fire, and he has 463 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 2: been challenging public officials all by himself, it seems at times, 464 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: going to meetings. We'll talk to about his reaction to 465 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: Jonathan Rindernach being declared the suspect, and it does seem 466 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 2: like they really have the goods on him. So this 467 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: morning was the big press conference hosted by US Attorney 468 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: Bill Saley. What I want to focus on is one 469 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: of the speakers was the ATF Special Agent in charge 470 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 2: of LA's Field Division, Kenny Cooper, because we told you 471 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 2: about how when the fire was put out on January first, 472 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: it's still smoldered beneath the surface in the thick vegetation. 473 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: In fact, even the roots below the surface were smoldering 474 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: as well. And here's Kenny Cooper. We're going to do 475 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: cut fourteen talking about how the investigators did their job 476 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: to determine the origin of the fire. 477 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 7: ATF did not identify this suspect and rule and focus 478 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 7: specifically on the suspect. We still utilize our scientific process 479 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 7: and part of the lengthy time that. 480 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 6: It took to go over these thousands. 481 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 7: Of acres that were burned is we literally had agents 482 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 7: with our partners on their hands and knees, crawling through 483 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 7: fire debris. They're observing fire behavior patterns, they're flagging patterns. 484 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 7: An example of that fire will cause natural debris to 485 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 7: twist and freeze in a position pointing to the origin. 486 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 7: So looking at all those fire patterns flagging those, ATF 487 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 7: was able to zone to specifically get into the origin 488 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 7: of where that fire started from. Once they dialed into 489 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 7: the origin, using all the investigative techniques that they have 490 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 7: then they start really dialing into the very specific spot 491 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 7: that that fire was created. 492 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: If only. 493 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: The management the Alley Fire Department was is meticulous in 494 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: monitoring that burn area from January first, as much as 495 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: the ATF here was in investigating the cause. Now here's 496 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: Kenny Cooper, and again he's Special Agent in charge of 497 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 2: LA's Field Division, about how they know, because I think, 498 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: as Stanley said the press conference, this was not a 499 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: rest based on problem cause they know beyond a reasonable doubt. 500 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: They'll prove this in court and convict Jonathan Ridernacht. And 501 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: here is Kenny Cooper explaining how they know with such certainty, 502 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: And that's number sixteen. 503 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 7: We went through exhaustive efforts to look at potential ignition sources, 504 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 7: whether they were fireworks where there are the down power lines, 505 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 7: or any other source of ignition. They went down those 506 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 7: investigative paths with exhaustive length to either rule them in 507 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 7: or rule them out with clarity. We know this is 508 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 7: incinary fire and that the subject that we arrested started it. Obviously, 509 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 7: the burn scar and the fire from the initial January 510 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 7: first Lockman fire was re examined by our investigators and 511 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 7: with complete sur they were able to see from the 512 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 7: same fire behaviors from them crawling on their hands and knees, 513 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 7: digging up roots, digging up all the evidence supplying that 514 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 7: fuel to the fire research lab they were able to 515 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 7: and also in collaboration of other data and other evidence. 516 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 7: We have fixed surveillance points, we have witnesses that were 517 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 7: up with their phones, We have a lot of different 518 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 7: data that all concluded where this fire started and the 519 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 7: fire behavior from that origin from that Lockman fire was 520 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 7: clearly established in the Palisades fire. 521 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: So there's certain that the origin was the January first fire. 522 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: They're certain it was Jonathan Rindernacht who started the fire, 523 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: you know, with a lighter. So again the questions, and 524 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: we're going to keep on this every day that Karen 525 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 2: Bass is still there. Why did she go to Africa 526 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: when she had all those warnings. Why did she not 527 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: convene a meeting with the fire chief, with Genie Keinonias 528 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: and find out if they had a crew monitoring that hotspot. 529 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: The most likely place for a fire, once they knew 530 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: five days in advance that the winds were coming, the 531 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: most likely place for a fire would be the rekindling 532 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 2: of the Lockman fire. They knew that exact spot because 533 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: they had just claimed to have put it out a 534 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: few days earlier. But it wasn't put out. It was 535 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: smoldering still, So why wasn't there a crew there immediately? 536 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: That's what Bass should have been asking about. That's what 537 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: Kristin Crowley should have been telling her about. Did any 538 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: of them know that there was a reservoir that was 539 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: unfilled because of Genie Keinonias? It is Bass, it is Crowley, 540 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: it is Kenonas oh I got a lot of diversity there, don'tly, 541 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: but no explanations from the three of them. They used 542 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 2: Crowley's a scapegoat, but she's never fully explained her decisions, 543 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: and Bass is just hoping this all goes away. You 544 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 2: didn't see her anywhere near microphone today, did you either, Canonias. 545 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: There's no investigative agency here, nobody in the state, no 546 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: Rob Bonta looking at this. Let me guess we're gonna 547 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: get another after action report like the one in La County, 548 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: which totally avoided explaining who is responsible, who is to blame, yes, 549 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: blame playing the blame game, who did the wrong thing, 550 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 2: who didn't do their job? We'll keep on that so 551 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: is Sayed Kashani, the attorney. He lost his home in 552 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: the Palisades. He's gonna come on with us again next 553 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: Deborah Mark live in the CAFI twenty four our newsroom. Hey, 554 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: you've been listening to The John Covelt Show podcast. You 555 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: can always hear the show live on KFI AM six 556 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 557 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.