Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain drops on today's episode of
Speaker 1: Reality with the King Alexis Jansen. I are back to recap, yes,
Speaker 1: the latest episode of Orange County, but we're also here
Speaker 1: to recap Alexis Facelif, the.
Speaker 2: New Alexis that's been back podcasting with you for three
Speaker 2: weeks now or four?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 2: Was this week five that we never talked about because
Speaker 2: it was a secret, But now it's out.
Speaker 3: I was weaking good.
Speaker 2: Before and afters, and then I wanted, you know, I
Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that it was like it was healed,
Speaker 2: and I didn't want to talk.
Speaker 3: About it until I was proud and felt comfortable.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, look, this is the secret you've been teasing for
Speaker 1: the past five weeks.
Speaker 4: It finally is being revealed. And look, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: So talk to me about this, because you've already a
Speaker 1: beautiful woman. What made you want to get a face
Speaker 1: lift in the first place.
Speaker 2: Well, it was it was really a lot about my
Speaker 2: neck and photos. And I know we're our worst critics, right, Carlos.
Speaker 2: You will pick something apart about yourself.
Speaker 3: That no one else notices.
Speaker 2: I was really getting frustrated in all my photos and
Speaker 2: it was like, no matter how much I stuck my
Speaker 2: neck out or what I did, and then my face
Speaker 2: looked funny and I'm just like, oh my gosh, let's
Speaker 2: just chop it off. So and that happens with older age, right,
Speaker 2: And I know it's not like I'm obese or like
Speaker 2: I need to just lose weight there. It's that it
Speaker 2: was just skinned. So that's what started it. But you
Speaker 2: can't do it. You can't do just an You have
Speaker 2: to The doctor explained this when I went to like
Speaker 2: four consultations because John was and my kids were so
Speaker 2: against it. He had to consult with me like four times.
Speaker 2: Poor guy sure earned his money on that one, right,
Speaker 2: because I'm like back the door stuff every day. So anyways,
Speaker 2: he's explained it like you have to pull everything a little.
Speaker 2: So he only did three millimeters on me, which is
Speaker 2: super tiny, and it was just.
Speaker 3: Enough to make me look like I got a good
Speaker 3: night's sleep.
Speaker 2: And that's the funny part is everyone's commenting on my
Speaker 2: instagrams and stuff and they're like, well, you wasted your
Speaker 2: time and I can't even tell the difference. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: thank you, that's exactly what you want. Like it just
Speaker 2: makes me look like I got good sleep.
Speaker 3: And that's all I was after.
Speaker 2: And and my neck is gone and you didn't even
Speaker 2: notice my neck so perfect.
Speaker 4: See, so that's the thing.
Speaker 1: We've been doing this for like two years and I
Speaker 1: but you're right, I never noticed anything wrong with your neck.
Speaker 1: And your face already gorgeous. So when I saw it
Speaker 1: before and after, I was like everyone else, like, look,
Speaker 1: the good thing.
Speaker 4: Listen was a great thing.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a Chris Jenni face lip where it
Speaker 1: was such a visible difference.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's that's the goal. That's what doctors.
Speaker 2: When you're starting at forty nine or fifty, that's the
Speaker 2: goal is if you wait till you're sixty, it's going
Speaker 2: to be such a huge difference that it is like
Speaker 2: when you walk in a restaurant, like the what the
Speaker 2: hell did you just do? When I walked in the restaurant.
Speaker 2: Now it's like, no one really notices. They thought it
Speaker 2: was my hair like your hair, or you got a
Speaker 2: new tan, or you've been vacationing so you look good.
Speaker 2: They couldn't put their finger on it. And so now
Speaker 2: when I get it done at sixty five or sixty
Speaker 2: then it's going to be just another little nip and
Speaker 2: then you don't have the huge one. So yeah, but
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Chris Jenner looks amazing, but was fantastic?
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Just yeah, she just did have a very It was
Speaker 2: it was like, oh my gosh, difference. But when you
Speaker 2: looked at my before and after pictures, be honest with me,
Speaker 2: because you always are.
Speaker 3: Anyway, You're not my feelings.
Speaker 2: Could you tell in the before and afters a little
Speaker 2: bit like it just looked brighter or refreshed or did
Speaker 2: you not?
Speaker 1: It was? The thing is it was small. It was
Speaker 1: a small difference. And what's funny is, I'll speak for myself.
Speaker 1: I have mentioned that. Look, I can tell on oc
Speaker 1: who's had a little work done because it's visible, right
Speaker 1: in terms of you could tell off season some work
Speaker 1: was done and it's not jarring, but it's obvious. That's
Speaker 1: that's what I you is obvious. So with yours it
Speaker 1: wasn't obvious. Like the thing is, if you would have
Speaker 1: never said anything to me, I would have said to
Speaker 1: myself and this is me being honest.
Speaker 4: Alexis got a good makeup artist.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 3: That's perfect.
Speaker 4: Okay, Like she has a good makeup artist and good.
Speaker 3: New York lamb's good. I got all oc glam. Who
Speaker 3: squad's good? I got all kinds of good glam squads.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, you look absolutely studying. So who was the person
Speaker 1: that did this amazing work on you?
Speaker 2: It's doctor Laky and Beverly Hills, and he's he's worked
Speaker 2: on quite a few other reality people, and I just
Speaker 2: I looked at a lot of his before and afters
Speaker 2: and he he just made me feel so comfortable because
Speaker 2: I was nervous. And then he had to meet with
Speaker 2: John and John was grilling him and and and you know,
Speaker 2: and then my kids. So I sent my kids my
Speaker 2: before and afters and I said, see, guys, now, aren't
Speaker 2: you glad?
Speaker 3: Mom did that? And they were like, Mom, which one's
Speaker 3: the before and which one's the after?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, the befores are all on top and
Speaker 2: they're like then they're like, oh, okay, we're happy now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we like it. We look good, we love it.
Speaker 2: So shout out to doctor Lakey for not ticking off
Speaker 2: my kids and my husband.
Speaker 3: So we're all still friends. Thank God, you look good.
Speaker 4: You look good.
Speaker 1: And what's funny is sometime you hear horror stories like
Speaker 1: I heard the other day, which is Amanda Francis is
Speaker 1: not returning to the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3: What the heck?
Speaker 2: I almost called you because I and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I think I just got busy or whatever.
Speaker 3: I almost called because I was you and.
Speaker 2: I are such lovers of her, like we love her
Speaker 2: and I'm just sad, and I thought it was gonna
Speaker 2: because she decided not to because she had a tough season.
Speaker 3: It's because she wasn't asked back as what I got
Speaker 3: from that article.
Speaker 4: Well, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: So TIMS, which I would listen, I would go on
Speaker 1: record saying that TMZ is ninety nine point nine to
Speaker 1: nine percent accurate, like they they do not report on
Speaker 1: anything that isn't fully outsourced, and they have an amazing reputation.
Speaker 2: And that's a great that's a great ninety is a
Speaker 2: great rate, like it's a great for what you're discussing
Speaker 2: and bringing the real news.
Speaker 4: So go ahead, yes.
Speaker 1: So tmzy reported that Amanda Francis was not asked back
Speaker 1: by production for the show. Amanda Francis on Instagram did
Speaker 1: a LinkedIn post and she mentioned, which listen, I want
Speaker 1: to give credit where credit is due. So Alexis, let
Speaker 1: me read to you exactly what she said, so that
Speaker 1: there isn't, you know, mince words in terms of what
Speaker 1: she said on her Instagram. So Amanda Francis the same
Speaker 1: day TMZ revealed it, and we really do honestly, Alexis,
Speaker 1: because we've been in this business for.
Speaker 4: A long time.
Speaker 1: TMZ scooped it first hours, maybe an hour later or two.
Speaker 1: Amanda France has then posted on her Instagram and this
Speaker 1: is what she had to say. I'm not gonna read everything,
Speaker 1: but the part that I think you and I should
Speaker 1: discuss is she mentioned while this show gave me an
Speaker 1: incredible platform, a platform is not the same thing as
Speaker 1: a foundation.
Speaker 4: Beverly Hills, thank you.
Speaker 1: I am taking the clarity, the lessons, the plot twist,
Speaker 1: the spiritual warfare, and the occasional deeply unnecessary dinner party
Speaker 1: drama into all that God has for me. Now and
Speaker 1: to anyone watching, please know your next move does not
Speaker 1: require anyone's approval, and you can be grateful for an
Speaker 1: opportunity and know when it's time to leave. Uh huh okay,
Speaker 1: making it seem like it was her decision, which I listen,
Speaker 1: I will say.
Speaker 4: This, I haven't. I haven't contacted my sources to get
Speaker 4: the truth.
Speaker 2: Well, honey, if you if you DMed her or texted her,
Speaker 2: she'd tell you because like you had her on your podcast,
Speaker 2: like you guys have a broad ship now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I want to be honest, and you know
Speaker 4: this to be true.
Speaker 1: There's a few OC women who were not asked back
Speaker 1: and they made it seem like they left on their own.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in all fairness, I think that that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Is that like for me, I admit when I quit
Speaker 3: and I met when I got fired.
Speaker 2: So CA I'm looking, Hey, yeah, I got Yeah, we
Speaker 2: are honest, and it's like nope, but I got canned.
Speaker 2: You know, who knows if we're gonna get us back
Speaker 2: ever again. You never know, but like and you never
Speaker 2: if you're gonna take it, they offer back again. But
Speaker 2: so I think that it could go either way. I
Speaker 2: want to get to the bottom of it. Maybe all
Speaker 2: DM or Carlos.
Speaker 4: The thing is this because she's listen.
Speaker 1: One thing BRABO does do they I'll give them credit
Speaker 1: for as well when it comes to the way they
Speaker 1: treat their housewives, who they let go. They allow them
Speaker 1: to say whatever narrative they want to say, are so white,
Speaker 1: and they.
Speaker 2: Just they just stay they stip rise above and they
Speaker 2: stay quiet, and they're just like whatever. They don't ever
Speaker 2: go back in the media and say, actually, we fired her,
Speaker 2: we canned her, we gave her a break, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Andy Cohen has been honest about
Speaker 2: things like that on watch What Happens Live about like
Speaker 2: giving Vicky a break, you know, like she took a
Speaker 2: pause or whatever. I think he's honest about that kind
Speaker 2: of thing. But in the press, they don't go back
Speaker 2: and forth with the housewife.
Speaker 1: You're right, No, once the housewives says they're fired, Andy
Speaker 1: Ben talks about like like like what Tamra said he did,
Speaker 1: It'll feel real good when they ask you back like
Speaker 1: that was his response to her publicly. So the thing is, huh,
Speaker 1: did Amanda Francis not get asked back?
Speaker 4: I will say this, and I'm being very honest.
Speaker 1: She won a lot of people over in the end,
Speaker 1: and I found her to.
Speaker 4: Be extremely interesting and you know that, and so did you.
Speaker 1: It was eight women and unless they found someone that,
Speaker 1: unless they found a person or two that is undeniable.
Speaker 1: That to me is the only reason, the only reason
Speaker 1: why they will look at their roster and say we
Speaker 1: have to get rid of her to make room for
Speaker 1: someone else.
Speaker 4: Who they may think is the right choice.
Speaker 2: And I thought something different, or you might be right though,
Speaker 2: by the way, but I was thinking because she didn't
Speaker 2: really create a best friendship or a good friendship with
Speaker 2: sincere friendship with any of the women, I thought maybe
Speaker 2: they were like she rubbed a couple of the women
Speaker 2: the wrong way, super bad and like you know, I
Speaker 2: think it. I think Amanda had such good singers and
Speaker 2: comebacks when she was put on the spot that I
Speaker 2: think she was amazing and ha held her own. But
Speaker 2: I wonder if maybe if that was part of it,
Speaker 2: and they were just like you know, the other women
Speaker 2: are not that they ice you out, because you can't
Speaker 2: really ice someone out on the show. But maybe production
Speaker 2: was just like, you know, she doesn't really get along
Speaker 2: with everybody. But it could be what you're saying, and
Speaker 2: it could be that she quit. It could be the
Speaker 2: production heard she wasn't into it and it wasn't happy
Speaker 2: with a lot of the drama, and and so maybe
Speaker 2: it was more of a mutual thing, like the show
Speaker 2: knew she wasn't get really into it, she was probably
Speaker 2: gonna quit, and they just both severed, you know, parted ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is my other theory. If she did quit,
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why she would would be would
Speaker 1: be if she wanted more money. I just I.
Speaker 4: Don't see her leaving because the show was too dramatic.
Speaker 4: I I follow.
Speaker 1: Her and when Rihanna Rihanna DMed her and said don't
Speaker 1: you leave because she was being very coy with it,
Speaker 1: which which.
Speaker 4: Is a housewife play. Are you coming back?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe Rihanna DMed her. Amanda posted it
Speaker 1: I would too, and she here she goes, election she goes,
Speaker 1: I mean, if Rihanna wants me to stay, maybe I
Speaker 1: should really stay. And I was like Amanda, Okay, so
Speaker 1: I think maybe she wanted more money.
Speaker 4: What do you think? She's a money queen after.
Speaker 2: All, I know, And I think that could very will
Speaker 2: be true, because I mean, you know, it's a known
Speaker 2: fact they don't pay the first year girls anything. I mean,
Speaker 2: you are making, you are making chump change to be
Speaker 2: a first season housewife.
Speaker 3: It it wasn't always that way.
Speaker 2: I mean, we all started, you know, a decade and
Speaker 2: a half ago, or fifteen years ago I got, which is.
Speaker 3: A decad and a half.
Speaker 2: They paid a little bit different. So so I almost
Speaker 2: wonder if maybe you're right. And she was like, for
Speaker 2: everything I just endured and went through and this drama
Speaker 2: that I had no idea about. I did the first
Speaker 2: year for free, basically, and if you don't give me
Speaker 2: what I think I'm worth, and maybe she could, you know,
Speaker 2: because it's super time consuming, it's super unexpected, the things
Speaker 2: that happen at dinners and things like that, and a
Speaker 2: lot of times uncalled for.
Speaker 3: Like Amanda said, so I don't know you're right. I
Speaker 3: think you're right.
Speaker 1: So the rumor is this, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know this person, but I'm a huge fan. The show's
Speaker 1: along on me here, But I was a huge fan
Speaker 1: of million dollars listing La. Yeah, Tracy Tudor is rumored
Speaker 1: to be a Beverly Hill's contender.
Speaker 4: As a housewife.
Speaker 1: Who I will say this if it's not true, Alex
Speaker 1: Baskin Bravamp on that phone, I Carlos King the first.
Speaker 1: I would love to see Tracy Tudor as a housewife.
Speaker 1: I she Tracy is beyond gorge. She is spicy, she's
Speaker 1: a great mom. She's a stute businesswoman, she is wealthy.
Speaker 1: She had well she had I think they broke up.
Speaker 1: She had a hot young trainer as a boyfriend.
Speaker 4: Like, Tracy is that girl.
Speaker 1: So I'm telling you I want to see Tracy Tudor
Speaker 1: as a Beverly Hills housewife.
Speaker 4: Make that shit happens. Am I wrong?
Speaker 3: She just had a facelift too.
Speaker 2: By the way, she was one of my inspos, you know,
Speaker 2: because Tarry was one of the first inspos, because she
Speaker 2: got hers at forty, not her first one fifty, and
Speaker 2: then my other best friend got her, and then Tracy
Speaker 2: Tudor got hers. I'm like, girl, I am I am
Speaker 2: on board now because I looked at your before and afters.
Speaker 3: And I am on board.
Speaker 4: Yes, hoddy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, if you had your brother a new
Speaker 2: season with Tracy Tutor or or keep Amanda, what would
Speaker 2: you say.
Speaker 1: Oh, alexaid, you are so shady, let me plug in
Speaker 1: my life. I am.
Speaker 3: I am shady as I drink my Lani Hani shady.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well think about it, because that's a hard call.
Speaker 4: That's a hard call.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, what if you could get rid of one housewife
Speaker 2: and add Tracy and keep Amanda?
Speaker 4: If I had okay, well I went Jennifer.
Speaker 3: Tillia is a full time.
Speaker 2: But we're talking about Beverly Hills and we're supposed to
Speaker 2: be okapping recop.
Speaker 4: We will we will, we will, we will, we will
Speaker 4: will we.
Speaker 3: Will Otillia is a full time.
Speaker 1: I will lose Ston to keep Amanda and add Tracy Tudor.
Speaker 2: I do not agree. I love me some Sutton. I
Speaker 2: love she brings a totally different I love me some Sutton.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I would you too, I answer your question, what would
Speaker 4: you tooth?
Speaker 2: Honey?
Speaker 3: I was just gonna go there.
Speaker 2: I think I would keep Amanda if I had the
Speaker 2: But if Amanda quits or gets fired, I would then
Speaker 2: say Tracy's great if we can't make or bring her
Speaker 2: on as a friend of and put Jennifer in full cast.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay, So rain drops Alexis and I
Speaker 1: know what you guys think, but I will say this, Amanda,
Speaker 1: you were amazing on the show.
Speaker 4: Is rare.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 4: We love you.
Speaker 1: It's rare to see a housewife have it hard in
Speaker 1: the beginning and then to win the fans over towards
Speaker 1: the end. Even h Anna loved you. So it's a
Speaker 1: tough gig. We'll see what happens, but I will. I
Speaker 1: will support Amanda and her new book, just like I
Speaker 1: will support Carmela as my developer real estate agent and
Speaker 1: broke her.
Speaker 3: I think it's such a word of some semantics.
Speaker 2: I just think that if say, she's a developer and
Speaker 2: VICKI doesn't like that word, it's like, who cares?
Speaker 3: She's a boss lady.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like both both Vicky and her
Speaker 2: are boss women. So it's okay if Vicky wants to
Speaker 2: call herself a you know, queen of realists or Queen
Speaker 2: of insurance or whatever the title.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's like I don't care.
Speaker 4: No, So let's get into it.
Speaker 1: So the episode kicks off when you get to get
Speaker 1: both perspectives, and I love with scenes do this. I
Speaker 1: love when scenes are there's two separate scenes and they're
Speaker 1: all like integrated into one to where they live back
Speaker 1: and forth and seeing it. So I really did enjoy
Speaker 1: seeing Carmela Emily.
Speaker 4: With plus Gen and Vickie and just.
Speaker 1: Getting sort of that world collided. Of course, listen, they're
Speaker 1: still talking about the fact that Carmela bought Emily ad
Speaker 1: or bag and a dial do and Janice with Vicky,
Speaker 1: and Vicky is not feeling Carmela at all. Carmela learns
Speaker 1: from Why and Carmela thinks that Vicky is stuck in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties mindset and doesn't understand why she has
Speaker 1: such a.
Speaker 4: Heart on for her. Why do you think this is
Speaker 4: the case.
Speaker 1: Is it just simply simply that Vicky is hazing the
Speaker 1: new Girl, like is it just that? Or do you
Speaker 1: think that Vicky is onto something questioning the validity of
Speaker 1: Carmela's career.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I think it's the second.
Speaker 2: I think because Vicky Vicky is known, both are kind
Speaker 2: of true. Though Vicky is known for having the heart
Speaker 2: on for the first the New girl. I mean, she
Speaker 2: had it hard for me for a whole year once
Speaker 2: I got Hazed into the group. Then, you know, and
Speaker 2: then she was starting to lose her marriage with Dawn,
Speaker 2: and her and I had that deep talk about like
Speaker 2: She's like, don't whatever it is, Alexis, don't let the
Speaker 2: show get in the way of her marriage. Don't get
Speaker 2: and Jim and I were fine at that point. We
Speaker 2: weren't having issues at that point, and so she's just like,
Speaker 2: put your marriage first, you know, stay married to your
Speaker 2: husband and your kids have their dad. Because we all
Speaker 2: know Vicky's still has a hard time and feels guilty about,
Speaker 2: you know, family. I think that she does do that
Speaker 2: to the newbies, but I truly think Vicky has a
Speaker 2: gut feeling or doesn't like just doesn't like Carmela. I
Speaker 2: truly think that because I know Vicky and she usually
Speaker 2: she'll come around by the end or soften up a
Speaker 2: little or or whatever.
Speaker 3: So we'll have to see how it the episodes play out.
Speaker 2: But what was I just listening to, Oh oh oh
Speaker 2: h what this is why I have a little bit
Speaker 2: of intel watch what Happens Live. Gina was on last
Speaker 2: night after and something was said about one of the
Speaker 2: one of the people in the audience or whatever said
Speaker 2: something about Carmela and Vicky's disagreement and Gina goes.
Speaker 3: And it gets worse. Oh no, it was the person.
Speaker 2: With Gina said, you know, I have it, I feel
Speaker 2: bad for Carmela, and Gino goes, oh, and it gets worse.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that Vicky is gonna lighten up
Speaker 2: on this and does not. I think she does not
Speaker 2: like Carmela. Wait for the reunion.
Speaker 1: I bet this is reality with the King, and I'm
Speaker 1: Karl was king.
Speaker 4: Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 1: Listen she is Listen, Vicky is saying things about Carmela
Speaker 1: that is a little bit unfortunate for Carmela's reputation in
Speaker 1: her business. And not to skip towards the end, but
Speaker 1: I do want to bring this up. Listen, love Vicky,
Speaker 1: Vicki's great. I will say, I am on Carmela's side
Speaker 1: when she's like, I thought you were a woman who
Speaker 1: supports women, and I think, listen, Bickie to me was
Speaker 1: somebody who appreciated of working woman. A hard working woman, right,
Speaker 1: a woman who isn't relying on a man.
Speaker 4: Those are what she.
Speaker 1: Has said publicly on the show and interviews, which is
Speaker 1: why it's hard for me to stomach why she's given
Speaker 1: Carmela hard time because she listen, everything's google ball, So
Speaker 1: if you really did think she would a fraud, all
Speaker 1: you have to do is google her on MLS, see
Speaker 1: what seeing what she has done. And I think Carmela,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Carmela got these girls shaken up and
Speaker 1: I you know, these women, what is it about Carmela
Speaker 1: that has And we'll get to this later with Gina,
Speaker 1: she's these women are like giving her a hard time.
Speaker 1: Is it just is it just hazy or is it
Speaker 1: deeper than that? I can't I can't put my finger
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: I think it's there's a true initiation process with it.
Speaker 2: I'm no matter what housewife franchise you're on, I think
Speaker 2: there's an initiate, an initiation process.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like a sorority.
Speaker 2: But but what I will say for Carmela is I
Speaker 2: think it's because she's coming in so hot, like Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna bring a dildo. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: be bold and buy a do Or clutch that was
Speaker 2: twenty seven hundred dollars and put a dildo in it.
Speaker 2: I think that it's because she's she's not just kind
Speaker 2: of like slowly integrating herself. She's like, Bam, I'm here
Speaker 2: and I'm bringing a dildo and I'm gonna make everybody laugh.
Speaker 3: And I also, you know, she just has a.
Speaker 2: Very and I'm still married to my ex my husband
Speaker 2: that I'm not getting a divorce front, but we're done.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just a lot of things about her
Speaker 2: that are so kind of in your face bam, that
Speaker 2: the women are like, okay, what and like when Vicky said, like,
Speaker 2: Vicky's questioning so much about that she made the one
Speaker 2: point four million on her first house?
Speaker 3: Do you believe that?
Speaker 2: Or is like so, I wonder if some of the
Speaker 2: things that Carmela is saying are just so bold that
Speaker 2: it makes the women. And maybe it's because there's no
Speaker 2: freaking storyline for anyone and it's a boring season and
Speaker 2: they're just trying to create some shit.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at how boring the episodes are right now. Sorry, guys,
Speaker 3: it's not their fault. It's just for some reason, I
Speaker 3: don't know, there's no real drama.
Speaker 2: We're still talking about dildos and white boxes with words
Speaker 2: put in them.
Speaker 4: Alexis.
Speaker 1: Not only do you have a facelift, my love, you
Speaker 1: also have a shade left because when I say to
Speaker 1: you that was listen, that was supreme shade. Because supreme
Speaker 1: shade is what it's unexpected. I had no idea it
Speaker 1: was gonna go there. And that's how alexis shit.
Speaker 4: Next time war me.
Speaker 2: No, Carlos, we don't operate like that. We made the
Speaker 2: pack to never call our text before any of these podcasts. Yes,
Speaker 2: and if we are authentic and we don't let you
Speaker 2: know where we're going at any given time.
Speaker 4: You don't know.
Speaker 3: Where this bus is taking you. We could go right,
Speaker 3: or we could do two or left. Okay, you just
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: But the one thing you know is.
Speaker 3: It's honesty coming out of both of us. There is
Speaker 3: no There is.
Speaker 1: No plan, all right, because you don't have tough of
Speaker 1: thoughts of what you just said. I'll stay it towards
Speaker 1: the end, okay, So remind me of lex Is because.
Speaker 3: I, oh, honey, I'm not gonna let it go.
Speaker 4: So s borla alert, I can cur okay. So the
Speaker 4: thing is, Gin is.
Speaker 1: Being asked by Carmela to help her.
Speaker 4: I can't get it out because it's so funny to me.
Speaker 4: So Carmela's like, hey, Jen, I know you need money, you.
Speaker 5: Need to do something, so abou you're gonna come clean
Speaker 5: my toilet, Come clean my toilets and my and then
Speaker 5: you can dust my window sills and then I'll give
Speaker 5: you twenty grand.
Speaker 4: Did you like?
Speaker 3: Would you like that?
Speaker 2: And we can even do it under the table gins
Speaker 2: you don't have to claim taxes on it, can do.
Speaker 3: The to come look at tiles and.
Speaker 2: And how does she even know what if Jin can't
Speaker 2: pick a tile for the to save the life of her.
Speaker 3: And she chooses like a stone that doesn't even.
Speaker 4: Go with the room. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2: Hey, it was in my in my mind when I
Speaker 2: first was watching it, I thought that is so sweet.
Speaker 2: Though I don't care that is such a sweet gesture.
Speaker 2: It just it just makes me feel like though, like
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do I.
Speaker 3: Ever own the house that Jin could do handyman work?
Speaker 4: Can you do that? It's like does it work for
Speaker 4: task rabbit? Like whatever?
Speaker 1: Listen, if you want to give anybody twenty thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: Me and Alexis was split it and make sure that
Speaker 1: these recaps are in your favor.
Speaker 3: Carlos, we take ten five each due, we'll go down.
Speaker 2: We'll give you a discount, your fifty person off today.
Speaker 4: We're cheap. Listen.
Speaker 3: It doesn't it's just a good deal. We're a good deal.
Speaker 4: That's great over here.
Speaker 1: Talk about a bargain like you don't have to spend
Speaker 1: twenty to listen.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 1: Just a great a great woman to listen. It's one
Speaker 1: thing to sort of be like, hey, my be my intern,
Speaker 1: be my shadow, watch me do this job, see this
Speaker 1: something you're interested in, but to have Emily ask her like, so,
Speaker 1: how much you're gonna pay her?
Speaker 4: I do think Carmela just made up the number.
Speaker 1: I really think she had no idea what even the
Speaker 1: thought process of that was. I do think she threw
Speaker 1: out twenty thousand dollars. But I also love.
Speaker 4: That Vicky said, I bet you that Ryan.
Speaker 1: Is going to take advantage of this opportunity and find
Speaker 1: some way to insert his ass in there.
Speaker 2: I think I don't agree with you on that she
Speaker 2: just pulled that number out of there.
Speaker 3: I think she knows what.
Speaker 2: She probably pays someone else to be her assistant on
Speaker 2: a project, and so probably it was just like I'll
Speaker 2: just Paygen to be my assistant in this project, and
Speaker 2: it's probably twenty grand, So I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: that I think she probably had a I mean, if
Speaker 2: you know your finances, if you run a business, you
Speaker 2: know how much you pay X, Y and Z. Don't
Speaker 2: It doesn't just slip your mind. Like I know how
Speaker 2: much I paid my kid yesterday, and if it was
Speaker 2: twelve dollars, I'm like, you owed me that twelve dollars
Speaker 2: back because that was for Starbucks and I'm not paying
Speaker 2: for all your Starbucks.
Speaker 3: Is you know, like I know every dollar. I think
Speaker 3: she probably did. I think she probably didn't know the number.
Speaker 2: But I thought I took that scene with Ryan, I
Speaker 2: thought that she said that Vicky goes.
Speaker 3: Maybe I heard it wrong. I thought, Vicky.
Speaker 2: Goes, you know, she's probably going to ask Rian to
Speaker 2: be the next person to flip his house, like you know,
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, yes, I took it the other way,
Speaker 2: Yes I am going to insert himself.
Speaker 3: But that Vicky was saying, she's probably Carmela.
Speaker 2: I don't trust her so much that I think she's
Speaker 2: probably going to go to Ryan and ask that to
Speaker 2: flip their house.
Speaker 3: And that's where Jen's going to be inserted, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think you're right too. So
Speaker 1: the thing is, we'll see what happens with that. I
Speaker 1: do like that she's throwing Jenna bone because listen, Jen
Speaker 1: has been very honest about you know, listen, she broughted
Speaker 1: money from her parents two seasons ago, so she's been
Speaker 1: very honest about her financial status. So the fact that
Speaker 1: Carmela's trying to help her, I do like that. I
Speaker 1: also like the fact that Carmela is telling everybody about
Speaker 1: her past because I think she's playing the game of
Speaker 1: let me tell you my tea before you investigate me
Speaker 1: and try to throw it against me. So to know
Speaker 1: that she violated a restraining order because she had an
Speaker 1: altercation with the woman that had some sort of dealings
Speaker 1: with her husband that she's estranged from, and they were
Speaker 1: in the strip club in Ohio, dancing on a pole
Speaker 1: and she tried to like give her these loves and
Speaker 1: the friend through a drink on her great casting. This
Speaker 1: is the type of woman I want to see on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, the thing is is like that's another
Speaker 2: thing that I think these women are just like, you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, she's coming in with beam because not
Speaker 2: many of the housewives have restraining orders or have been
Speaker 2: arrested or assaulted for that matter, you know. So I
Speaker 2: mean all at once, I just think that it's it's
Speaker 2: it's kind of like making the women question like everything.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But for me, I love that she was open about it, Carmela,
Speaker 2: and that she just divulged everything. And it's just like
Speaker 2: you can try to you know, find it and scoop
Speaker 2: it up on me and then try to play it
Speaker 2: against me or like tmz me with it.
Speaker 3: But whatever, I'm just gonna let you know what happened.
Speaker 3: This is what happened, and I loved it.
Speaker 1: I listen, I really do like her a great deal,
Speaker 1: and I like the fact that she's open and honest
Speaker 1: about her past what she's going through, and listen, I
Speaker 1: found her to be super interesting.
Speaker 4: So Vicky, Shannon, Jean, and Heather.
Speaker 1: They went out to you know, have drinks and Shannon
Speaker 1: talks about the state of her and Tamra's friendship and
Speaker 1: said that they were exchanging friendly texting and how she
Speaker 1: really wants it to you know, to stay that way.
Speaker 1: But obviously she's still cautious. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I don't give two shits about this storyline. I just
Speaker 1: don't care. I'm not investing in treating megas goodbye. I
Speaker 1: don't care.
Speaker 4: I do not spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: In real life, Shannon and Tamera will never be friends ever.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: I feel like they're trying to make it seem like
Speaker 4: there's hope.
Speaker 2: Well, of course they are. It's the TV show, Carlos,
Speaker 2: That's what they're supposed to be doing. But it's all
Speaker 2: about conflict resolution.
Speaker 3: But so I think.
Speaker 2: That, Okay, see and I have as a viewer, I
Speaker 2: have a different look on it.
Speaker 3: I am liking it.
Speaker 2: I am liking that, Okay, we can finally move on
Speaker 2: because I'm telling you, the stick of it keep going
Speaker 2: on and on for two and a half four years.
Speaker 3: Whatever they held timers in the back is really old.
Speaker 3: That if Tamer walks in the room, Shannon goes like
Speaker 3: this and ignores her. It's like, Bros, you guys are
Speaker 3: on a TV show together.
Speaker 2: You have to find a way to make some kind
Speaker 2: of an amicable working relationship.
Speaker 3: You ain't gotta like your secretary or your partner's secretary.
Speaker 3: But you gotta sayhyd or when you walk in the door.
Speaker 2: You gotta be amicable because you work in the same building,
Speaker 2: so you're kind of the same thing.
Speaker 3: So I was excited to I was excited.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: Sorry, no, no, no, The thing is this, I just
Speaker 1: don't need it spoon fed to me that we're trying
Speaker 1: to off camera have these friendly texts. I agree with
Speaker 1: everything you're saying, Like, yes, I don't. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I want you try to fight. All I'm saying is
Speaker 1: I don't need every episode to hear about a text
Speaker 1: she said, good morning, and can I bring over her
Speaker 1: paper towels to help you clean?
Speaker 4: Like I, I.
Speaker 1: Don't need to be told what you guys are doing.
Speaker 4: I'm okay.
Speaker 1: I'm actually okay with you guys co existing at work
Speaker 1: and not having to speak to each other besides pleasantries.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know, like I don't know. I don't I
Speaker 4: don't listen rain drops.
Speaker 1: Let us know in the comments if you really do
Speaker 1: need to hear life updates about a text between Tamra
Speaker 1: Shannon to make it balid that they are trying to
Speaker 1: work in their friendship. I'm just saying they're not friends,
Speaker 1: they'll never be friends. I'm with Alexis Janssen. Co exists.
Speaker 1: You guys are co workers, and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: I think they're just trying to make it look like
Speaker 2: it is happening behind the scenes, not just for the camera.
Speaker 3: I think that's the point, and that's what you don't want.
Speaker 2: You don't want to see the for the camera, behind
Speaker 2: the scenes texts. Instead, you'd rather just see what plays
Speaker 2: out on care and let it go and leave it be.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly all of that and more and more, Okay.
Speaker 4: Next, speaking of dramatics, half of the bro has alleged.
Speaker 1: That she did not sleep last night on her plush
Speaker 1: four hundred count pillow sheets from the Ritz Carlton.
Speaker 3: Honey, her pillow count ate for her? She count ate
Speaker 3: four hundred.
Speaker 2: She's twelve or sixteen hundreds, honey, because I got at twelve,
Speaker 2: she's at sixteen or two. They probably I don't even
Speaker 2: know if they make a two thousand, but she ain't
Speaker 2: had a four hundred.
Speaker 4: That's at your.
Speaker 3: College kids dorm sheets. Just letting like we had to.
Speaker 1: Get please correct me, have our apologies for giving your threat.
Speaker 1: How the the same as your children's dorm.
Speaker 4: Okay, children's dorm.
Speaker 3: Her children's dorm also have twelve hundred sixty. I'm just
Speaker 3: say mine, don't. I'm not. I'm not unless I'm trying
Speaker 3: to keep my kids a little humble. Here Okay, you
Speaker 3: don't get my thread yet. You gotta hearn it.
Speaker 4: So here we are.
Speaker 1: Heather is saying Alexis she did not sleep last night
Speaker 1: because after Tama's party, she went home and she cried
Speaker 1: herself to sleep because Emily once said to her in
Speaker 1: the premiere episode, you're like one of my best friends now,
Speaker 1: which Emily please. And then she was mad that at
Speaker 1: Tama's party, Emily kind of like Gabe didn't really speak
Speaker 1: to her, but then also was kind of like getting
Speaker 1: it to her in terms of, like you do enough talking.
Speaker 1: I want to talk now. And then you know, had
Speaker 1: this starts crying and that she's upset by Emily's actions and.
Speaker 4: Again maybe I have a black heart.
Speaker 1: I just don't buy these emotions that are happening off
Speaker 1: camera allegedly, and then to see her cry, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're crying over Emily Simpson.
Speaker 4: I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think they're trying so hard to
Speaker 1: me once again, to make us.
Speaker 4: Audience believe that we love each other, we are a
Speaker 4: real friend group, and I just think it's bullshit.
Speaker 3: I wonder what you think about this.
Speaker 2: I thought when I watched that scene that it really
Speaker 2: had more to do than with just Emily.
Speaker 3: I kind of thought because.
Speaker 2: They're kind of they are kind of poking a lot
Speaker 2: at Heather right now. This it seems like they've been,
Speaker 2: you know, Heather's had a rough couple episodes, just slightly
Speaker 2: not like nothing. Maybe Carmela hh, okay, she's been put
Speaker 2: through the wringer, but Heather's kind of had a little
Speaker 2: bit of it.
Speaker 3: I felt like maybe it's more of that just pent
Speaker 3: up from having like.
Speaker 2: It seems like everyone's kind of got an issue or
Speaker 2: something to say about Heather, and that's I kind of
Speaker 2: thought maybe the tears were coming and she didn't sleep
Speaker 2: because of Emily. But I also in my mind was thinking,
Speaker 2: you know, when I do know Heather and she is sensitive,
Speaker 2: So I was also thinking, maybe it's just because there
Speaker 2: was too too many you know things, and.
Speaker 3: Just added to it. That was just the that's what
Speaker 3: made it spills over kind of thing, you know.
Speaker 4: I actually received that I received that.
Speaker 1: I think because she hasn't been in the hot seat
Speaker 1: like this. That was like if you've removed Carmela that
Speaker 1: every episode people had from Gin to camera to Emily,
Speaker 1: they have been calling out Heather because I think they
Speaker 1: now feel like you are one way behind the scenes
Speaker 1: and you are another on camera.
Speaker 4: So that see, that makes sense to.
Speaker 2: Me if I wonder, I just wondered when I was
Speaker 2: watching it, because I agreed with you.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't think she'd really cry.
Speaker 2: I know she's sensitive, but I don't think she'd cry
Speaker 2: only over that even I wouldn't probably even carry over
Speaker 2: just that. I just think it was because Heather feels like,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's always something with me right now,
Speaker 2: you know, and Heather has had a couple of really
Speaker 2: good seasons and easy seasons where she's gone.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm it all started when Jen just started
Speaker 2: calling her out this season. You know, Jen's the one
Speaker 2: that kind of threw under the bus a little and said,
Speaker 2: you know, you were talking about smack on Tamra, and
Speaker 2: now I don't trust you as much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think because Jen called her out, then Tamra
Speaker 1: said we are social besties, right and then Emily saying
Speaker 1: to her like, well you did say this about Jen
Speaker 1: and Jen finding out Tamra's party. All of that makes
Speaker 1: complete sense to me, and that should have been Heather's
Speaker 1: response to it in terms of why is everyone attacking me?
Speaker 1: I have done nothing whatever she wants to say. But
Speaker 1: Heather has always had it easy. Heather has has it's
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a season ever besides this one where
Speaker 1: Heather has been called out for how duplicit is she
Speaker 1: is with these women, And I actually think there's that's
Speaker 1: a fresh up.
Speaker 4: There's a fresher breath.
Speaker 3: No, a breath of breath of fresh air. You usually
Speaker 3: have to help me. I got you on this one.
Speaker 1: I owe you, okay, a breath of fresh Okay, let's
Speaker 1: get imagine a fresh of breadth air.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the fuck am I saying right now?
Speaker 1: A breath of fresh air that they have been calling
Speaker 1: her out. I think I find that, honestly to be
Speaker 1: interesting because it's new.
Speaker 2: Well it's new, and for me, I feel like it's
Speaker 2: actually organic, where some of this stuff, like they're still
Speaker 2: talking about a handbag and a vibrator. It's like, I
Speaker 2: feel like that's kind of organic thing. That the women
Speaker 2: are feeling. So I think that that's the kind of
Speaker 2: stuff I like to hear and see, not that it's
Speaker 2: on Heather or whatever. I just like the more organic
Speaker 2: stuff than when they're reaching into a bag of tricks
Speaker 2: trying to pull something out of the hat just to
Speaker 2: make something, you know, work, Because you know, like you
Speaker 2: and I are saying, it's like all of this drama
Speaker 2: that's happening right now is just so it just doesn't
Speaker 2: seem I don't know if it's authentic or if it
Speaker 2: just doesn't seem like it's something they'd really still be
Speaker 2: talking about. Like I just don't know a group of
Speaker 2: women that would still be talking about it this many
Speaker 2: days later of getting around each other, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 2: let's see where they go with Heather, because I don't
Speaker 2: know if they're done or that's the end of it
Speaker 2: now that she cried, they're going to ease up on
Speaker 2: her or what.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I'm with you, because even when Emily
Speaker 1: and Tamra are walking and talking, you know, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: Gina and Tamar are walking and talking. You know, Look, Gina,
Speaker 1: Gina is trying to explain to Tamra why she's very
Speaker 1: cautious against Carmela. And one thing that I think you're
Speaker 1: not I agree with is in real life, Gina and
Speaker 1: Emily are best friends.
Speaker 4: Like that's they are. They are best friends.
Speaker 1: I could see Gina having you know, a good eye
Speaker 1: on Carmela based on like what are you trying to do?
Speaker 4: So she's telling Tamra that.
Speaker 1: She just believes Carmela has a motive in this d
Speaker 1: or bad giving and giving her something to masturbate with.
Speaker 1: She feels like this isn't normal, and she wonders if
Speaker 1: Carmela is trying to win over Emily by doing this.
Speaker 1: And do you think, Alex is that Gina is just
Speaker 1: a little jealous that someone wants to be friends with
Speaker 1: her best friend.
Speaker 2: Gosh, this is hard, I think if I'm really thinking
Speaker 2: about it, I think again, they're pulling at stuff to
Speaker 2: try to find some kind of drama somewhere, and it's
Speaker 2: easy to target Carmela because she's the new one and
Speaker 2: she do bold gestures. But I don't know if I think,
Speaker 2: I don't know that if I agree that Gina's jealous
Speaker 2: of it, I think that I think Emily just happened
Speaker 2: to be the first person that had a birthday, and
Speaker 2: they were doing it at a drag show and they
Speaker 2: all dressed up as old women. So it's all kind
Speaker 2: of quirky in itself and kind of weird, and it's
Speaker 2: you know, in itself, and then yet and playing bingo.
Speaker 2: Add all those things together, it's just all it's all
Speaker 2: just a jumble, you know, but it's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: It's fun, and it's fun to watch. So I think that
Speaker 2: if it would have been anyone's birthday, gins Vicki's, I
Speaker 2: think Carmela would have given the same gift. I think
Speaker 2: Carmela was literally just trying to be funny.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: You can tell she has a sense of humor, and
Speaker 2: she does not take things seriously.
Speaker 3: She lets she lets it roll off.
Speaker 2: As far from what I can tell. I mean, we
Speaker 2: don't know her, but I act like I do. And
Speaker 2: so I don't know what I think about Gina. If
Speaker 2: she's jealous, what do you think?
Speaker 4: I actually agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's jealous, because the thing is.
Speaker 4: No one can take they've been on this show.
Speaker 1: I thought about this last night as I was watching it.
Speaker 1: I'm like Gina and Emily have been on like I
Speaker 1: think seven years, which is like kudos to them right
Speaker 1: to last that long, especially when social media. One of
Speaker 1: them gone after their second season, but they have survived.
Speaker 1: I think in seven seasons you see Emily make friendships
Speaker 1: with other women. I just don't think anybody can come
Speaker 1: between them. I will agree with you, and I do
Speaker 1: feel like this is just the way it is this season.
Speaker 1: As we're seeing five episodes in, I think they all
Speaker 1: collectively said, this is something that we can harp on.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think Gina's jealous. I don't
Speaker 1: think she I don't think she's even worried that Emily
Speaker 1: is going to be thrown for the that's not even
Speaker 1: a real of possibilities. I think Gina saw an opening
Speaker 1: to start from drama, and she is going to use
Speaker 1: it for her safety net.
Speaker 4: For her job.
Speaker 2: That's what I was kind of thinking. I was kind
Speaker 2: of like, there's not a lot of true drama. Then
Speaker 2: I feel like, like I said, Carmela is the easy
Speaker 2: target right now because she's new. She's doing bold things
Speaker 2: that create stir and create conflict naturally or create I
Speaker 2: guess it's not conflict, but like create questions.
Speaker 3: So I just think it was an easy and yeah.
Speaker 1: So Vicky has an event and the girl's all there.
Speaker 1: Tamar tells Vicky she invited Carmela, which I.
Speaker 3: Was like, that's pretty bold.
Speaker 2: You don't usually do that to Vicki because it's like
Speaker 2: she's not really an easy going kind of girl when
Speaker 2: it's about that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done that. But Kara was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: well she's coming, so be ready, be ready. Vicki was like,
Speaker 3: oh oh, oh okay, and then Vicky smile.
Speaker 4: Oh God.
Speaker 3: I love Vicky. I love her back on the screen,
Speaker 3: her smile.
Speaker 2: When she was like, well she's not even supposed to
Speaker 2: be oh hi, I was like, nape, I love you, Vicky.
Speaker 3: I just love you. I text I love her this season.
Speaker 2: I'm like, girl, you are making me because she doesn't
Speaker 2: watch the episodes ever, and.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, that's it my pants.
Speaker 2: No no, I just had a long call with her,
Speaker 2: but she's she had didn't see that episode, so I
Speaker 2: told her what it was about. I go, girl, you
Speaker 2: are keeping me like laughing and Carlos so much like,
Speaker 2: we are just laughing, ya we.
Speaker 4: Love I thought it was hysterical.
Speaker 1: I actually laughed out loud when Carmela is greeting Vicky
Speaker 1: and she was like, you know, we already met, and
Speaker 1: Vicky corrects her says, we met ish, and then.
Speaker 2: They flap flashed back to the two times that they
Speaker 2: have already been around each other and met. So it's
Speaker 2: just that's just Vicky and you know, and Vicky's mine.
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't know who you are. I can
Speaker 2: totally see Vicky and know exactly what she's thinking in
Speaker 2: that moment.
Speaker 3: She's like, we have not sat down and have coffee.
Speaker 3: I don't know smack about you. And yeah, we've seen.
Speaker 2: Each other at two different work moments, you know, when
Speaker 2: we're at a bingo party dressed as old women and
Speaker 2: the other one we're at the Valentine's Day party.
Speaker 3: But you did meet twice, Vicky.
Speaker 1: Mad Is And I think that's why she said that,
Speaker 1: because to your point, they're not conversing off camera, because
Speaker 1: what we also learned in this episode that Carmela Gina
Speaker 1: does not have Carmelo's number, which shows you that after
Speaker 1: five episodes in, you're not trying to get to know
Speaker 1: Carmela off camera. So I think to your point, Vicky,
Speaker 1: mine is sort of like, I don't know you because
Speaker 1: I only see you when we're working.
Speaker 4: And that's what to me is going to be.
Speaker 1: What Gina said last night, watch Happens Live, We're going
Speaker 1: to see more of because Vicki is not letting up
Speaker 1: on Carmela at all.
Speaker 2: But Carlos, she was a producer, know that, Like when
Speaker 2: you're a cast member, you are very highly told or
Speaker 2: discouraged from communicating with the housewives outside of filming. So
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be so odd that she didn't have Carmela's
Speaker 2: number yet after the reunion have at it.
Speaker 3: You can talk all you want, but during production they.
Speaker 2: Highly discourage you discussing, and you can even get a
Speaker 2: slap on the wrist for talking off camera because they
Speaker 2: want to leave everything organic, which I get it, you know,
Speaker 2: So it doesn't to me. That didn't make me feel
Speaker 2: weird that she didn't have Carmela's cell yet because they
Speaker 2: just met. They met as they were working. They weren't
Speaker 2: they haven't been done filming yet. Now they are, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: and they've all exchanged numbers, but like you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. So, Plus it kind of just seemed very
Speaker 2: from the beginning like that Gina just didn't take to
Speaker 2: Carmela very well, like VICKI didn't take to Carmela very well,
Speaker 2: you know those two.
Speaker 3: I feel like Tamra likes her. I feel like Jin
Speaker 3: likes her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those who like her.
Speaker 3: I think Shenon likes her because they went and did
Speaker 3: that little on Q thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Shan listen in Shannon's world, she
Speaker 1: would love for the show to revolve around her, Vickie, Heather,
Speaker 1: and she can tolerate Gina and Emily. I think she's
Speaker 1: also like, I'll do my job. I would much rather
Speaker 1: fill a Carmela than having to deal with Tamera. I
Speaker 1: think that's her mindset, which is why she is open
Speaker 1: to the.
Speaker 4: Idea of a Carmela.
Speaker 1: So Heather tells Emily how she was hurt by her,
Speaker 1: and Emily clarifies that she didn't tell her to shut up.
Speaker 4: She just said, you've.
Speaker 1: Been talking all night and now she wanted to talk.
Speaker 1: And then Gina tries to interrupt, and Emily said, I
Speaker 1: don't need you, and Gina took that in terms of
Speaker 1: I don't need you as a friend, I don't need
Speaker 1: you as a human being, And once again Emily is
Speaker 1: trying to clarify this point saying I don't need you
Speaker 1: in this conversation right now.
Speaker 3: Emily just didn't want two people on her at the
Speaker 3: same time.
Speaker 2: She doesn't want to be corrected twice, she just was
Speaker 2: like trying to have the conversation with Heather. And again,
Speaker 2: I feel like this was just an easy, an easy
Speaker 2: argument that looks organic but can cause some drama because
Speaker 2: now the two best friends are bickering at the dinner
Speaker 2: table too, you know, so it's all about the dinners.
Speaker 4: And I also felt like, and I hate to be
Speaker 4: this person. I don't want to be.
Speaker 1: I know, listen, honestly, it's not my fault, so like, please,
Speaker 1: I'm not Maybe it's just me. I'm not buying anything
Speaker 1: this season is real. I'm just not buying it that
Speaker 1: Emily Gina Mishap. I thought, was those two leaning in
Speaker 1: because they don't have anything else leaning into.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I think I think Gina took something that we all
Speaker 1: know Emily did not mean, and she ran with it
Speaker 1: for this of drama, like let us argue so that
Speaker 1: we're giving them something different.
Speaker 4: I just I didn't.
Speaker 1: I did not think for a second that Gina was
Speaker 1: really offended by something so small.
Speaker 4: I just I just did not buy that for a second.
Speaker 3: Well, and I know you know your best friend too.
Speaker 2: It's like you know your best friend better than anyone,
Speaker 2: so you know that you know Emily didn't mean it.
Speaker 3: I don't need you like in life, so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your point could be valid. Did you buy it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought it was just for
Speaker 2: the It was like playing it up for the camera
Speaker 2: to now have two best friends fighting at the dinner table,
Speaker 2: also just to create more drama at dinner.
Speaker 1: And that leads me to Gina's argument with Carmela. Gina
Speaker 1: tells Carmela that she did hear that she told Heather.
Speaker 4: That Emily talks too much.
Speaker 1: And then at her birthday party, you know, she brought
Speaker 1: the gift and she felt like, if you feel like
Speaker 1: Emily talks too much, why bring her a gift. And
Speaker 1: then Carmela's trying to explain herself even when it came
Speaker 1: to like her business, and she's in the hot seat,
Speaker 1: and Gina is really, you know, yelling at her.
Speaker 4: Saying, this is my best friend.
Speaker 1: Now hold on, baby, you don't want.
Speaker 4: Alexis. I literally was like, what am I watching right? Now,
Speaker 4: I just I'm not buying any of this bullshit. I'm
Speaker 4: just not buying for you. Carlos.
Speaker 2: From what I'm gathering from what you're saying is you
Speaker 2: thought this dinner was a really absolute fail flop.
Speaker 3: Zero on a scale of one I am gathering.
Speaker 2: Sending my way, I'm kind of picking it up a
Speaker 2: little that girls, you did not do a good job
Speaker 2: at this dinner.
Speaker 3: I just I just was, per Carlos King's words.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know what I wish would have happened, honestly,
Speaker 1: and listen, I want to get your thoughts obviously on
Speaker 1: the Gina and Carmela thing. First of all, shout out
Speaker 1: to Carmela for hanging in there and for standing up
Speaker 1: for herself against all these women as a newbie.
Speaker 4: That is not easy.
Speaker 1: If anything, if anything similar to Amanda Francis when when
Speaker 1: those women were so mean to a Mandam Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: it made us like Amanda more. Seeing how they're so
Speaker 1: mean to Carmela and how Carmela is standing up for
Speaker 1: herself in a very respectful way, it's making us like.
Speaker 4: Carmela even more.
Speaker 1: And I will say the one thing that came out
Speaker 1: of it that I did enjoy. I I'm I'm I
Speaker 1: love all the girls. I will say this on the record.
Speaker 1: As of now, I'm only interested in seeing Carmela, like
Speaker 1: I don't, I am I am. No one's giving me anything.
Speaker 1: No one's giving me anything. No one's giving me appointment television.
Speaker 1: No one's giving me anything that makes me I can't
Speaker 1: wait until next week. No one's giving me anything that's
Speaker 1: allowing me to be like, ooh what what what?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: What's the next scene after that?
Speaker 1: You know, every time Carmela is in her personal story scene,
Speaker 1: I'll speak.
Speaker 4: For my sub Alexis, I'm glued. I'm like, oh, what's that?
Speaker 2: Because you don't know where she's bold, you don't know
Speaker 2: what's coming out of her mouth next. She just we
Speaker 2: just found out she was arrested and assaulted and has
Speaker 2: you know, you just don't know what's happening in her
Speaker 2: And I agree with you, like I I love the
Speaker 2: fact that what's respectable is that Carmela isn't sitting there
Speaker 2: like a wallflower and taking the beating when everyone's ganging
Speaker 2: on her. She's saying things very eloquently instead of just
Speaker 2: spouting off and acting mad because you get you can
Speaker 2: actually get people to listen when you're actually saying something
Speaker 2: that's intelligent and not using fighting words and you're just
Speaker 2: speaking calmly and she never loses her cool. It's just
Speaker 2: it's really it's a good job for being a first
Speaker 2: year rookie for sure, you know, but you are really
Speaker 2: just I'm gonna just let you run with it because
Speaker 2: you are. You are not happy. Well, here's the thing, Carlos.
Speaker 2: So last year when we did season nineteen of OC,
Speaker 2: how many episodes did it take? And then Beverly Hills
Speaker 2: took us toll like eight till you and I were like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're in now, baby, So we're only on five. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's another slow burn. Maybe this season's going to be
Speaker 2: a slow burn. Although I did watch the preview for
Speaker 2: next week. What did you think of that preview? Because
Speaker 2: I usually love the previews show like make you want
Speaker 2: to watch it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the only listen as a as
Speaker 1: a viewer. The only thing I'm remotely interested in seeing
Speaker 1: with drama is Vig and Carmela.
Speaker 4: I cause I think that.
Speaker 3: Well, it's real, that's a real.
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, I think it's so
Speaker 1: I think it's a real issue.
Speaker 4: I think it's a real thing.
Speaker 1: I think even when Carmela called out Vicky for putting
Speaker 1: women down and Vicky says, you're not a flipper, you're
Speaker 1: a developer there and talked about like what her soon
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a husband, he's a developer, and
Speaker 1: she's confused by it. And I really do think Vicky
Speaker 1: is confused by it. But I think it's also semantics.
Speaker 1: And but but I will say I'm intrigued by that
Speaker 1: because that, to me is who Vicky is. Vicky is
Speaker 1: a career woman, and if Vicky can poke holes at
Speaker 1: the story, I.
Speaker 4: Think Vicky is really not believing what Carmela does. And
Speaker 4: I think Carmela has.
Speaker 1: A real issue with it because I think, based on
Speaker 1: her being a former playmate model, she already knows that
Speaker 1: more than likely people think she's an airhead and that
Speaker 1: she lays on her back for money.
Speaker 4: And I think she's trying to prove the people well.
Speaker 1: That I also have this going on in respect that
Speaker 1: I do this and and I and I'm here for that.
Speaker 3: And I believe Carmela is successful on her own. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't care what the name of what she's doing
Speaker 2: is I don't care if it's developer, flipper, toilet cleaner,
Speaker 2: I don't care what the title is. I think she's
Speaker 2: doing a great job at being successful, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's where I stand.
Speaker 4: No, I I agree with that.
Speaker 1: And so for me, going back to what you said
Speaker 1: earlier about this episode.
Speaker 4: Being warring, it's the problem.
Speaker 3: Notice, hold on, Carlos, let me. I just I just
Speaker 3: had something.
Speaker 2: I want to preface it before you go on your
Speaker 2: tangent right now, because I think of the one name
Speaker 2: that we have not mentioned this entire podcast, the one name.
Speaker 3: Do you think maybe that has something to do with it?
Speaker 3: Because she's sitting back and not doing.
Speaker 2: Much and she we haven't mentioned Tamra one time because
Speaker 2: Tamra is just everybody's friend this season and trying to
Speaker 2: really change and be the you know, calmer and this
Speaker 2: and that. But if she wasn't, guess what, we'd be
Speaker 2: probably liking some stuff. We wouldn't be saying it's boring.
Speaker 1: I I want to cry. Listen. I okay, you this
Speaker 1: is our I feel like we would doing this forever.
Speaker 4: This is our third recap. I'll see her second second.
Speaker 3: No, it's our third.
Speaker 2: The first one was season oh maybe, second, it's only
Speaker 2: nineteen and twenty, because I was on eighteen.
Speaker 4: What it was?
Speaker 2: I came on your podcast a few times in season
Speaker 2: eighteen as a guest, not as a co host.
Speaker 3: Whatever you call me. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, side kicks, baby, you're nob psidekick. So
Speaker 1: I just I remember telling everybody. I literally would call
Speaker 1: people or I would have dinner and they're like, what
Speaker 1: are you watching? And I'm like, you guys have to
Speaker 1: watch OC and They're like, shut the fuck up, are
Speaker 1: you serious?
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, OC is so good. Like you came
Speaker 4: back what was it eighteen?
Speaker 1: I told these motherfuckers, I said, eighteen is so good.
Speaker 4: Watch it nineteen? So well, seventeen was good.
Speaker 1: I think no, because Tamar came back seventeen and that's
Speaker 1: what we met Jen, So I said, seventeen.
Speaker 4: Good, eighteen good. Nineteen.
Speaker 1: Last year people complained about the darkness or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: but the whole thing was, like Katie and Gretchen, I
Speaker 1: have to admit you and I before like this is
Speaker 1: so fucking good, like whatever, well, again.
Speaker 3: It's organic. It was real things that were causing real problems.
Speaker 1: Yes, So for the past three years I people know
Speaker 1: me were like Carlo's favorite housewife is OC, like he
Speaker 1: he can't stop talking about OC. And then this season,
Speaker 1: I think, because it's the twentieth I did expect more,
Speaker 1: and with the return of Vicky, I did expect more.
Speaker 4: And this could be unpopular and it's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm just a little bit underwhelmed with this season, if
Speaker 1: I'm being honest.
Speaker 4: I know, maybe a little kick into high gear, but.
Speaker 2: I know, And that's the thing I was thinking about
Speaker 2: last night when we were gonna be potting today and
Speaker 2: I was thinking, you know, it really was boring. I
Speaker 2: had to, like, I had to keep myself from going
Speaker 2: to like go get laundry and do this or do
Speaker 2: that in between you. I was finding it was like
Speaker 2: and then I would watch the scene and I would
Speaker 2: kind of start thinking about work tomorrow and things had
Speaker 2: to do first thing in the morning, and then I'd
Speaker 2: be back and be like, okay, so and then I
Speaker 2: had to rewind and watch it again. So I just
Speaker 2: am hoping that see, you know, like like with RHO
Speaker 2: at Beverly Hills, it season or let's put it out.
Speaker 3: Beverly Hills episode.
Speaker 2: Eight turned for you and I And when we got
Speaker 2: on the pod that morning, we were like it was
Speaker 2: all back. We were like doing backflips and our chairs
Speaker 2: and all that. I'm just thinking, it's episode five. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to be optimistic, clat and glass half full. Let's
Speaker 2: just wait and see. And do you know is there
Speaker 2: seventeen episodes? I think I heard somewhere is it seventeen
Speaker 2: with the reunion because Beverly Hills had twenty one with
Speaker 2: the Yeah, I'm wondering if so. Then from eight to
Speaker 2: twenty one, Carlos, you and I were in and it
Speaker 2: was great.
Speaker 3: So if they have seventeen by eight, that's your halfway through.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that we're halfway through, and they're going
Speaker 1: to Vegas next in the in the.
Speaker 2: No, and I don't even I'm sorry, but I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to see you put on a costume.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, see some the thing is is not okay. I
Speaker 1: don't feel bad anymore, because of course, I'm thinking, like
Speaker 1: in my senecol I just think that been there, done that.
Speaker 1: I've seen this all before. I've seen the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: I've seen the costumes. I've seen it, and I think,
Speaker 1: what's being shoved out our throats is we are real
Speaker 1: friends who have fun, and I just think that what
Speaker 1: we love about these shows is yes, that, but obviously
Speaker 1: we love real organic drama, conflict resolution, and you hit
Speaker 1: the nail on the head. I think, because Tamra has
Speaker 1: to be so subdued that this is what happens when
Speaker 1: you put baby in the corner.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's good, yep, and that's exam Like, look at
Speaker 6: the one name we didn't bring up till the very
Speaker 6: end because guess what she's been put in the corner.
Speaker 2: It comes out next season or if she comes out.
Speaker 3: The corner, I'll take her dancing.
Speaker 4: I'll take it all. Let me listen, I need that back.
Speaker 4: But we're going to be optimistic. It's episode five.
Speaker 2: We think, let's crush your fingers, let's be up, let's
Speaker 2: be let's be optimistic.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, like Alexis said, I think there's seventeen episodes,
Speaker 1: so we have twelve more to go.
Speaker 4: And I heard I.
Speaker 2: Heard approximately seventeen or read it somewhere, so I don't know,
Speaker 2: but maybe a little bit.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have a few more episodes to go.
Speaker 1: But ran John, listen, let us know. In the comments,
Speaker 1: comments on Apple, on Spotify or tweet us, but let
Speaker 1: us know your thoughts.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you next when when you're looking
Speaker 2: at all these comments, I'm going to ask you next
Speaker 2: week when we.
Speaker 3: Start what what are they bored with it?
Speaker 6: Two?
Speaker 2: Or are they liking it? Because maybe you and I
Speaker 2: are just maybe you and I are just being too
Speaker 2: critical because we do this for a living.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I will say this. I will say this. I've seen
Speaker 1: on threads. Okay, I forgot which housewife of OC asked
Speaker 1: the question, maybe Tamera maybe, but someone did ask are
Speaker 1: you guys? Are you guys enduring season twenty so far?
Speaker 1: And it was it was Oh, the overwhelming response was boring.
Speaker 4: Oh so it's not it's not just.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, but said I am going to be optimistic.
Speaker 1: Yes, but listen, let us know your thoughts on the
Speaker 1: episode rain Drops. Let us have the Spotify comments, and
Speaker 1: like Alexis said, come next week, I am going to
Speaker 1: read Alexis the comments. So you have an opportunity, brain
Speaker 1: Drops to get your name shout it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do three.
Speaker 2: Do at least one from each the threat the change
Speaker 2: you just said, at at least three comments, so one
Speaker 2: of from each and let's just see what the you're
Speaker 2: going to see the overall consensus anyway, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: to read three will be fun.
Speaker 3: Love to hear three of the best ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm actually into that.
Speaker 1: So we'll do that. So Alexis, I will see you
Speaker 1: next week. Keep your faith beautiful lifted.
Speaker 3: No, we're no, we're faithlifts for a decade.
Speaker 4: We're good. You're good, You're good. All right. I love you, baby, though.
Speaker 4: I have a good weekend, guys. Bye bye bye.
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