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Speaker 1: Swimming Upstream episode sixty with one of the Marlins newest

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Speaker 1: call ups. Actually ah, it's play by play broadcaster from

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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp and director of Broadcasting and Media Relations,

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Speaker 1: Scott Kornberg.

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Speaker 2: Scott, we appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 1: As always, Before we get to you, we got to

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Speaker 1: mention that the show is sponsored by MPT College Consulting.

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Speaker 1: With that said, let's go. Scott, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We definitely appreciate your time. What's up in guys, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't get old hearing new call up. It's still

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks later and it's still an amazing, feeling.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, we appreciate you being here. I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Was a pleasure to listen to you and Kyle do

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Speaker 1: your thing and Steven as well.

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Speaker 2: Man, we want to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about some Jacksonville centric stuff, what's

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Speaker 1: questions about what's coming in the future for Miami. So,

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Speaker 1: first one we got for you, man, me and Kevil

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Uh, first one we got for you, Like

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Speaker 1: you said, make your MLB debut in the regular season.

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Speaker 1: You've done some spring training games and you get a

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Speaker 1: pretty exciting, exciting game. You get an Auto Lopez walkoff,

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Speaker 1: so kind of poetic. You've gotten to know Auto pretty

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Speaker 1: well since Marlan signed him. He's been in tripa A.

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Speaker 1: They call him up a little bit before they call

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Speaker 1: you up, and then he walks the game off.

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Speaker 2: So pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: We know how you kind of got the call that

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Speaker 1: the mar has made a video about it with Kyle

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Speaker 1: trying to like trick you and stuff.

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Speaker 2: This was pretty fun, and then your reaction was great.

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Speaker 1: So just tell us about the experience as a whole,

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Speaker 1: like getting that phone call and then the game itself,

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Speaker 1: Like overall, what was your experience like?

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Speaker 3: Amazing? And I and I came in with high expectations

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Speaker 3: right at your major league debut. You expected to be amazing.

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Speaker 3: And I remember sitting in the broadcast booth eighth or

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Speaker 3: ninth inning, so the game was not close at this time,

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Speaker 3: and just thinking to myself, Wow, I just wish this

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Speaker 3: day would go a little bit longer. I wish this

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Speaker 3: like the baseball gods were like asking to shall receive

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Speaker 3: and they did an incredible comeback and first off. I

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Speaker 3: have to tip my cap to Kyle c Loft, Steven Strom,

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Speaker 3: John Eric Alvarez, Marlins in general, because they didn't have

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Speaker 3: to ask him to do this game, and they did,

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Speaker 3: and Kyle didn't them to give me the innings that

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Speaker 3: So all in all, just between the game, the way

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Speaker 3: you were treated by the way I was treated by

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Speaker 3: the Marlins. The Ottawolpe was actually signed a ball for

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Speaker 3: my son, four year old before the game. I don't

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Speaker 3: and everything was amazing, and so I think that like

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Speaker 3: and then to me for whatever reason, I was just

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Speaker 3: it was like a fairy tale this entire day, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, just talk to us a little bit

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Speaker 4: about Otto. It's a guy who the Marlins claimed off

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Speaker 4: of waivers. He comes to Jacksonville, he scorches the ball,

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Speaker 4: hiting over I think five hundred for you guys with

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Speaker 4: he's been a guy who has been hard to take

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Speaker 4: out of the line to say the least, he's been

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Speaker 4: one of the best players on this team since since

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Speaker 4: he got called up. What did what did you notice

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Speaker 3: Well, I know it hasn't necessarily been a banner season

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Speaker 3: really talented player. Why not? And those are the moves

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Speaker 3: He's played really really well. At the very least, he

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Speaker 3: He's got a really cool backstory, as I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: So I think between everything he's accomplished in his career

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Speaker 3: they've played really well for consecutive series wins, but they're

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Speaker 3: And these are the kind of moves that nobody bat

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Speaker 4: And then also I just want to ask about the

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Speaker 3: Got up to a very good start. They were within

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Speaker 3: Joonah Bride has been amazing here in Triple A. Griff

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Speaker 3: So there are things here that are happening. I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go into a couple more of the like

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Speaker 1: But I didn't want to ask you one more thing

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of people people that listen that

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Speaker 1: To watch a baseball and talk about baseball for a living,

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Speaker 2: But it is a much larger stadium.

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Speaker 3: Steven, I think you nailed it. And then all I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, like like you said, being analytically driven

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Speaker 3: because his mechanics would be out of whack. And Jeremy

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Speaker 3: Paddell is a terrific pitching coach at this level where

436
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: you saw a lot of guys who like Ryan Weathers,

437
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Speaker 3: for example, really fix things here before going to the majors.

438
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Speaker 3: And with Munos it's the same thing. I think with

439
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 3: Max Meyer it's the same thing. There's a few others

440
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Speaker 3: you know who have been the beneficiary of that, and

441
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Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of all those things. But

442
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Speaker 3: I mean, really, really, there's a lot of guys who

443
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: are really impressive pitching wise, but hadn't seen anything like

444
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 3: that in a long time. And he was fantastic on Sunday.

445
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Speaker 4: And he's just twenty four, which is the best part

446
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Speaker 4: of it, so still young, still close to the prime

447
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: of his career. He's still has a long way to go,

448
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 4: and he could be someone who could definitely help the

449
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Speaker 4: Marlins out, you know, as soon as today at the

450
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 4: major league levels. So definitely guy who we're really excited about.

451
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 4: And you know, another guy that Fish on first work.

452
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 4: Super excited about is Victor Mason Junior. We have him

453
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Speaker 4: ranked as our top position player prospect. Feels like one

454
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Speaker 4: of the more electric players in this system. Such a

455
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Speaker 4: fun guy. You had him recently on your podcast that

456
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 4: turned two podcasts with Troy over there. Just talk to

457
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 4: us a little bit about Victor Mason Jr. And do

458
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Speaker 4: you think he's major league ready?

459
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Speaker 3: I think he's pretty close to major league ready. But

460
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Speaker 3: I think what separates him, and this is to those

461
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: other intangibles that are really important in building a culture

462
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: and an organization. He's only twenty two. I want to

463
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Speaker 3: preface this by saying he is not the youngest guy

464
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: in our team, but he is very close to the

465
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Speaker 3: youngest guy in this team. And oftentimes, probably even in

466
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Speaker 3: the major leagues, there's little cliques in the clubhouse and

467
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: it's guys from America, and there's another click with guys

468
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Speaker 3: from Latin America. And he is the rare player in

469
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Speaker 3: particular twenty two years old to be able to blend

470
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Speaker 3: into any environment with any group of people and just

471
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 3: fit in. And that's with guys who are There's people

472
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Speaker 3: who are ten years older than him on this team

473
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 3: and he's able to relate to them. There are people

474
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Speaker 3: from areas of the country that he's never been and

475
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: he's able to relate to them. And then of course

476
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: we have some a huge Latin population. He is the

477
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: leader of that part of the clubhouse, to the point

478
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: where when Javier Sinoha got called up here first time

479
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: in triple A, when Christian Rodriguez got called up here

480
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: first time in Triple A, he was the putting his

481
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: arm around them and even in the airport, like, hey,

482
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: this is what you do here, this is what we do.

483
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 3: You know, to prepare for games and watch video. That

484
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: stuff is so valuable in addition to the fact that

485
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 3: he's a heck of a player. They have challenged him,

486
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 3: can he play center field? They love what he's done

487
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: in centerfield. They have said can he lead off? Which

488
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he loves leading off, but they

489
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: want to see him do it. And he's answered that

490
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: call and he's hit for power. He had the ankle

491
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Speaker 3: injury to begin the season, which I think kind of

492
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 3: slowed him on the bases in the beginning, but I

493
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: think he's starting to feel more comfortable there. But he's

494
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: shaved his strikeout rate going from Double A to Triple

495
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: A by four percentage points to this point of the season,

496
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: which is fairly significant. Twenty three percent to nineteen percent.

497
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like a lot, but when you're going

498
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Speaker 3: up a level, and when you're one of the youngest

499
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 3: players at that level, that is huge. So I think

500
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 3: there's still a few things to iron out here or there,

501
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: But every time they have a question and they challenge him,

502
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: he answers that, and then you have the intangibles beyond that.

503
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: This guy is is really truly a special not just player.

504
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: But I think person I'm really excited for him to

505
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: get that shot. I'm hoping at some point later this year.

506
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been fabulous and I started in spring training.

507
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: He was doing the same stuff in spring training too,

508
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: like fits right in and even in the big league clubhouse,

509
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: he fits in in there.

510
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: So I think he's gonna be ready pretty soon, hopefully.

511
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Speaker 1: And we always say definitely the probably I guess what

512
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: we should say, how we should label it is definitely

513
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Speaker 1: the closest thing that the Marlins have in the miners

514
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: to a true defensive center fielder. Yeah, so we're excited

515
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Speaker 1: about him. You mentioned just before the youngest player on

516
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Speaker 1: this team, so I want to talk about him A

517
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 1: good segway for that Jabier Sonoha, who the Marlins did

518
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: challenge pretty early this season to be in TRIPA A,

519
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like he's lost really anything from

520
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: what he was doing previously in his minor league career.

521
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: Never strikes out, doesn't have for power, but gets on

522
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: base in other ways and then has pretty good speed

523
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: on the basis and plays literally everywhere. So we like

524
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: Sanoha a lot despite no very little power. Maybe he

525
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: can come by more of that as he grows, because

526
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: he's still just twenty one, but man, his patience at

527
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: the plate and selectiveness is just so awesome. We really

528
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: like him with how advanced he is at a young age.

529
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Speaker 1: So that's our thoughts.

530
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Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on Sonoa and what

531
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Speaker 2: you've seen from him.

532
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 3: He's almost like Ada Lopez to me, plays everywhere, he

533
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 3: doesn't Adi Lopez. It's for far more power than Sonoha

534
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 3: has at least to this point. But I think contact

535
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: is important nowadays. There's so many people striking out over

536
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: and over and over again, and I think it's important

537
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 3: to have at least some people on your team that

538
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 3: they're gonna be a tough plate appearance every time they

539
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: come up, but they're going to put the ball in

540
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 3: play because you never know what's going to happen as

541
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 3: long as you just get it in play. So he

542
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 3: started in TRIPAA really rough. He was six for thirty nine.

543
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: I think it's a one fifty four average, But of

544
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: those thirty nine at bats, only two of those were strikeouts.

545
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: So I think even here new level, he was able

546
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: to still get contact in the ball, which it was encouraging,

547
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: which I know is part of his game, but it

548
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 3: would be really not encouraging if he came here when

549
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: six for thirty nine it was striking out way more

550
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: than he had in the past. So they worked with him.

551
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 3: I did an interview with him last week, and they

552
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 3: really worked with him on his top hand. He was

553
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: really honest about that in terms of some of the

554
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: adjustments he had made. But I think for Sonoa, he's

555
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: now reached base in sixteen of his last seventeen games.

556
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: I think he has hits in fourteen or fifteen of those,

557
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: and he's batting three ninety around that during that span,

558
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: So he's clearly whatever mechanical adjustment he was working on

559
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: with Greg Colbran, the Jumbo Shrimp hitting coach. He's a

560
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: very hard worker. The base running, I think still needs

561
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: to be refined a little bit. For a guy who's

562
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: got his speed, he doesn't steal bases at as super

563
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: high clip like he was thirty seven for fifty nine

564
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: last year and this year. His percentage is not really

565
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: I think, where you'd want it to be. But defensively

566
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: he's good wherever you put him, and the contact stuff,

567
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: he's only swinging and missing three point eight percent of

568
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: the time, which of the one hundred and eighty four

569
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: players in the International League with at least one hundred

570
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: plate appearances, that is the third lowest. So there's something there.

571
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: Whether he becomes a utility guy, I think he's a

572
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: major league player just because of the versatility and the

573
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: contact alone. Can he add a little bit more powers

574
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: is the question, because he does hit the ball hard,

575
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: but it's more like line drives and grab balls.

576
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's someone who's a really interesting player, and you know,

577
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: the speed definitely helps, and the defense is good. You know,

578
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: it's not you know he's better at one spot than

579
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: the other. It's he's really good center field and he's

580
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: a really good shortstop, so it definitely makes his case

581
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: a lot better to be one of the younger guys

582
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: to come up to do this system and you know,

583
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: hopefully reached the major league level one day. But going

584
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: you know to your to your podcast partner, Troy Johnson,

585
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: he's gone off to a little bit of a struggle,

586
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: but he's really picked it up as of lead and

587
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 4: we're starting to see the Troy Johnson. Remember, just talk

588
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 4: to us a little bit about what you've liked from Troy,

589
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: maybe what you saw at the start of the season

590
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 4: that he's improved on now in the in this lader

591
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: und of the season.

592
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: Well, I know Troy would tell you this too. He

593
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: is a big field guy in terms of what he

594
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: sees at the at the plate and so him missing

595
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: time in the spring, it's interesting. Everybody's got different off

596
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: season stuff, but he doesn't. He doesn't want to touch

597
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: a bat for a long time and he needs spring

598
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: training then, I think, to feel in flow and feel

599
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: in rhythm and get his feel down where he wants

600
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: it to be. And I think him missing time and

601
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: the spring really kind of set him back, and so

602
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: it morphed into him maybe pressing a little bit, trying

603
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: to do too much, and credit to Darren Brown for

604
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: giving him what Troy called a mental health day last

605
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: week in Gwinnett, and he had been in another slump

606
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: seven for forty five. He gets Thursday off, comes back, Friday,

607
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: gets a hit, comes back Saturday, gets three hits, including

608
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: a home run in which he had not home in

609
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: more than a month at that time, one hundred and

610
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: five at bats I believe it was, and then had

611
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: another couple hits I believe on Sundays. So I think

612
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: a he needed a day just to clear his head.

613
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: We've had so few position players on our team this

614
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: year that when the lineup cards posted, there's the nine

615
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: people batting and then there's only two people on the bench,

616
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: one of which is your backup Tetracy. There's not a

617
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: lot of off days, and I think that is affected

618
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: him and other players here, and to get that day

619
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: off was huge. And I think he's starting to feel

620
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: which is a huge factor for him where he was

621
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: close last year, because even when he was going through

622
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 3: some good games earlier this year, he still said I

623
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: don't feel good like he was very honest and upfront

624
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: about that, but I really think this week he's turned

625
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: the page a little bit and it's shown over the weekend.

626
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: Hopefully it will sustain itself. It's a tough pitching team.

627
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: Anytime he played Durham, they've Shane bos going tonight. But

628
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: I do think he feels a little bit better.

629
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you real quick as a follow

630
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: up before we get to our next guy. Kevin mentioned

631
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: to turn two podcasts, which of course you guys started

632
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: doing just a little bit ago. What's this experience been,

633
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: Like what made you guys want to do this, why

634
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: partnering with Troy was the right call to make, and like,

635
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: also how you guys formulate shows, because it's not just

636
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: Marlin's prospects that you guys are getting.

637
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: You guys are getting other guys.

638
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: You guys had Owen, Cassie, you guys had Rumpfield, you

639
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: guys have a lot of these other guys on from

640
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: other teams. So when you're thinking about how you're formulating

641
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: a show, and like how you want to go with

642
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: the show, Like what's the thought process behind, Like what's

643
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: works for the mission that you want to want to

644
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: accomplish with the show?

645
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: Well, guys, first off, thank you both. You guys have

646
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: been super supportive of that, and that is really cool.

647
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: I had the idea. I knew I want to do

648
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: a podcast because I listened to you guys and it's

649
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: really good, and I didn't want it to just be

650
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: me or even Matt Davis or other broadcaster, and I

651
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: thought there could be a new idea. And then I

652
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: kind of thought like this was like a months long thing,

653
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: and finally one day it hit me, and nobody does

654
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: the podcast with a current player, and or maybe somebody does,

655
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: but at least I haven't seen it. And Troy is

656
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: a great dude. I wonder. I literally just texted him

657
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: in November and I was like, does this sound interesting

658
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 3: at all? I think you'd be really good at it.

659
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 3: You're a great talker. You can give things on the

660
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: inside part of the game that I can't do. I'm

661
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: not in the clubhouse besides a little bit, but you're

662
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: between the lines. And he was all about it. So

663
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 3: we would be on the phone every week for like

664
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 3: hours a week, texting back and forth like what about

665
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: this idea, what about that idea, and trying to formulate

666
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: what we wanted. And I think in the off season

667
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: we wanted it to be sort of a We didn't

668
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: want to have guests, obviously, but we wanted it to

669
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: be a little bit of banter between the two of us,

670
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: Whereas during the year there's not a ton of time

671
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: and so we could just wanted We just figured, let's

672
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: just bring out whoever you want to bring on, and

673
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: we're playing against some of these guys. And I don't

674
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: think that because we're a Marlins broadcaster, affiliate broadcaster, or

675
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: a Marlins player that there's other stories. Again, this kind

676
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: of goes in line before we were talking about earlier.

677
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: There's other stories to tell, like Owen Casey Troy had

678
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: come upon him at some I forget where, but he

679
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 3: had known him and he was like, this guy's really good.

680
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: And TJ Runfield we couldn't get him out all week.

681
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: We tried the jenks him on the podcast. It didn't work.

682
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: He hit two or three home runs, but he's got

683
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: a really interesting background and so we thought, we do

684
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: want to do a lot of jumbo shrimp guys. That

685
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 3: is born out with Patrick Montaverdi and Victor Mason Junior,

686
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: who were both fantastic, But how do we branch out

687
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: and continue to tell just cool stories across baseball, just

688
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 3: as a player and a broadcaster, just with a different

689
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: perspectives that we bring. And so we do think we

690
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: have an old friend in the awning this week you

691
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: could probably guess a former Jumbo Shrimp player on the

692
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: Durham Bulls. We had to talk to Still about this,

693
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: but I am hopeful that he'll say yes, because he's

694
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: a great dude. But Troy is great at this and

695
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 3: there's very limited I think he wants to be coached,

696
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: but there's not a ton that I that I need

697
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: to teach him on. It's just he's a really good person.

698
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: He does great prep. That was one thing I was

699
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: kind of curious, like, is he just going to rely

700
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: on things that because he plays, that he can ask

701
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: about and he does. Obviously I don't see some of

702
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: these things that he's coming from. But he puts in

703
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: a lot of work into this, and that has been

704
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: really fulfilling is that I know every time we do

705
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 3: a show that he's doing his homework, that I don't

706
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: have to carry the brunt of that relationship and we

707
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: trade different notes and different ideas. So it has been

708
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: a lot of fun. He loves it, which makes me

709
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: very happy. I think he's great at it, and we

710
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: hopefully could do our small share of the podcasting universe

711
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: and coming at it with a couple of different perspectives,

712
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: and I just didn't think existed maybe before it.

713
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was talking to Alex when you guys

714
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 4: first put out that you guys were going to do

715
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: this all the time. It's cool and it's unique because

716
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Speaker 4: you don't see this too often. You don't see the

717
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 4: player broadcast type podcast and it's definitely cool. I've tuned

718
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: into most of them and it's definitely been something I've enjoyed,

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729
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 4: This is one of the bigger things going on in Jacksonville. Guys,

730
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 4: are huge renovation to this ballpark. Just take you're someone

731
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 4: who's there every single day, six times a week or

732
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: six days a week. Just talk to us a little

733
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 4: bit about this project. How big is this for the

734
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 4: city of Jacksonville, and how did this really come to

735
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 4: be to what it is, what it's going to be

736
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 4: you know soon and maybe a year or two.

737
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: Well, I think it speaks to the you know, the

738
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: reputation that hopefully our organization has and the trust that

739
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: we have built in our community here in northeast Florida,

740
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 3: that this is a public private partnership with the City

741
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: of Jacksonville and ASM and a few other different you know,

742
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: key partners in major ballpark renovations. The first major ballpark

743
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: renovation since one two one Financial Ballpark was open in

744
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 3: two thousand and three. And I think I think you

745
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: guys have both been here. I think this is a

746
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: great place to watch a baseball game, in particular minor

747
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 3: league baseball game. The sitelines are awesome. There's not a

748
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 3: bad seat anywhere. And the weird thing is is that

749
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: even though it was only twenty one years since this open.

750
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: It's amazing how things change. And you know, I had

751
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: to credit both, you know, the Jumbo Shrimp and obviously

752
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: the city of Jacksonville that they wanted to keep this

753
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: ballpark at the top or near the top and in

754
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: trip away and not just be static to hey, it's

755
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: just a really nice place to watch a game, like

756
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: they want to keep. You don't want to work for

757
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: a place where they're just content. You want to work

758
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: for a place and you want to be a fan

759
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: of a place where they want to upgrade things. You

760
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 3: want to do things better. And so we are in

761
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: the midst of some major renovations as you mentioned. So

762
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: last year was renovating the clubhouses, which is a really

763
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: important thing for our players. And I do know like

764
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 3: they the difference between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty

765
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: three when they got there was like, WHOA, this is

766
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: really neat And a lot of it now is fan

767
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: centric things. So, believe it or not, the number one

768
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: thing that we get from our fans is fans. They

769
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: want fans in the seating bowl, and so we added

770
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: some big fans in the seating bowl. It's a brand

771
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: new video board that I think is eighteen percent larger.

772
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 3: We've taken at the bleachers and right field, and there's

773
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: going to be a multi story building out there. We're

774
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: also kind of reorienting the ballpark because most people park

775
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: in the lots in the outfield and they have to

776
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: walk all the way down to the home play gate. Well,

777
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: we want to have a brand new welcoming plaza out

778
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: there as well. So these are things that it was

779
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: important for us that a lot of a significant chunk

780
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 3: of if not all of it, that of the money

781
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: that we received from the city, the taxpayer funded money,

782
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: that it's impacting all fans. It's not just okay, if

783
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: regret having a club area, but most of this is

784
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: going to impact every single fan who comes in to

785
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: our ballpark. And again, I think it speaks to the

786
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: trust and the relationship we have with our city fans

787
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: and obviously the decision makers of the city that they

788
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: trust us with this money to you know, prove our

789
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: ballpark and make it an even better experience than it

790
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: already is. So it's weird there's no bleachers out there.

791
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: It does look od, but I think the changes we've

792
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 3: already seen and from what I understand amount in these conversations,

793
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: but what is to come. I'm really excited about it

794
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: and I'm looking forward to I believe it will be

795
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: ready at some point in twenty twenty five. Opening day

796
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five is to go right now.

797
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, super cool.

798
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: I mean, just some of the things that this is

799
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: promising that you that you meant that you mentioned new

800
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: video board clubhouse has already done, and then this building

801
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: I think is the most interesting aspect of this building

802
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: and right field that will not only be accessible from

803
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: the stadium, but also from outside the stadium, which.

804
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: Is pretty cool as well.

805
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: And the quote that I read about it is that

806
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: it's going to be Jacksonville's newest spot for banquets and meetings,

807
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: So a an attribute that not only baseball fans will enjoy,

808
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: but also people that maybe aren't going to the baseball

809
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: game can still enjoy as part of going to downtown Jacksonville,

810
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: and I.

811
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: Think also just speaks to the city as a whole.

812
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: Also signing a new deal for the Jaguars, which if

813
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: you guys have ever been to Jacksonville, you know that

814
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 1: the Jaguars Stadium is within walking distance of Jacksonville Jumbo

815
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: Shure in stadium.

816
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: So I think just a huge buy in from the.

817
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: City really to continue to develop professional sports in that area,

818
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: which is great. And then of course Ken behind the

819
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: scenes as well, who's fabulous for not only Jacksonville but

820
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: for Akron. So yeah, just you guys have a really

821
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: great thing going with the city and have the cities

822
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: buy into you guys because of everything that you have

823
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: done is awesome.

824
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, you guys are going to be around for

825
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: a long time. You're only you guys have been around

826
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: for a long time. You're going to be around for.

827
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Even longer because of all of these things that are happening,

828
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: because of the success that you and your team do

829
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: and everybody else behind the scenes, which is so great,

830
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: and it's just such a great place to be.

831
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: I love going there. Kevin's been there.

832
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: If you guys haven't gone to see a Jacksonville game,

833
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: go see one either before or after the renovation.

834
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: It's a great place to beat for baseball and just

835
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: in general. I love going there.

836
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: Thank you, Yeah, more everybody else in the team less me.

837
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: It was some really talented people here. One of the

838
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: other really cool things about this project is that Janet

839
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: Marie Smith. Unless you're like an architect officionado, you probably

840
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 3: that's just someone's name. But she is the person who

841
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: worked on Canden Yards. She is the person who worked

842
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: on the Fenway Park renovations, I believe, and she is

843
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: helping with these renovations. So who better than that. Those

844
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: are two iconic ballparks. And again I don't have specifics

845
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: of it. I'm not in those conversations, but I'm very

846
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: excited because I love Canden Yards and I love Fenway Park,

847
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: and if there are anything like this, or if this

848
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: is anything like those, we are in for a major treat.

849
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: And it's really cool to see the city investing in

850
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: This is downtown jacks as you said, so our ballpark

851
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: at Jaguars Stadium, but also other places downtown. I think

852
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: anyone who's been that Jacksonville would say that downtown is

853
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 3: in need of investment and the city is doing that,

854
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: which is really really cool.

855
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we have one more question to ask about the stadium,

856
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: just how it's playing. There's been some discourse, you know,

857
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: amongst Marlins fans and amongst just minor league baseball fans

858
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: and followers in general about is this a hitters park?

859
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: Is it a pitcher's park?

860
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: We know you guys made the wall higher in right

861
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: field a little bit, just a little bit ago. That

862
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: probably will play into it. That was kind of kind

863
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: of a pitcher's nightmare, I guess for a little bit.

864
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: That area of the citium so now a little bit

865
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: easier for them with a wall higher. But how does

866
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: this park play? You're there, like Kevin said, you're there

867
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: almost every game. How is this park playing?

868
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: Used to be a major pitchers park because it was

869
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: four twenty to centerfield, which is the deepest center field

870
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 3: by a pretty sizable margin. Even with the tall wall

871
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: and right center with the bleachers, it was still three five.

872
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 3: I do think with the renovations, we've brought defences in,

873
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: so it's four h five is center, and I think

874
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: it's three sixty to right center now, even with that

875
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: tall wall kind of all the way out, I think

876
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: it's more of a hitter's ballpark now. It's still really

877
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: deep to left center field, but it is significantly shorter

878
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 3: to right center even with that tall wall. You're getting

879
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: doubles and triples there that that were outs before, and

880
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: you're seeing home runs there that were also outs before.

881
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: So I know Pictures have always liked pitching here for

882
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: a long time, and the humidity is a factor as

883
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: well obviously in that. But I do think that overall

884
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: we've gone from a pretty extreme pitchers ballpark too, certainly

885
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: one that's more even, but I do think is more

886
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: hitter friendly now in terms of at least the first

887
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: month and change with these renovations and how things have played.

888
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: Makes sense, Yeah, makes sense.

889
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh Cavery the nexcellent.

890
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

891
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: So that's all we had on the park. We got

892
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: just two more before we got out again.

893
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: This has been great visiting with Scott Cornberg from the

894
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp, our good friend.

895
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: Two more for you, Scott before we let you get

896
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 2: on with your day. I got a game tonight.

897
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: Talk about player movement is kind of what we wanted

898
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: to talk about here. So this past month, the Pensacola

899
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: Blue Jaho's had both Gabe Kapler and Rachel Malkovich, two

900
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: new faces in the organization, familiar names but new for

901
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: the Marlins, new and player development.

902
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 2: They had stated to Eric.

903
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: When he had asked that they want to have the

904
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: mindset of being aggressive with challenging players. So we saw

905
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: it sparingly to start the season, But now that I

906
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: guess they're getting to see and know the players a

907
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: lot better.

908
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: In the midst of the regular season, we're seeing it

909
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: start to happen.

910
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: We reported yesterday the thing about Noble and Thomas White

911
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: going up to Boy. They're also calling up this player,

912
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: Kinner Benitest from the FCL, who literally just turned eighteen.

913
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts about that mindset of pushing

914
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: players as soon as possible, despite age or experience level,

915
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: and trying to get them to the major leagues as

916
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: soon as possible.

917
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: I think it's smart and I think we are seeing

918
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: that even here Aavier Sinoha. I mean, he was an

919
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: able last year at this time, I believe, and now

920
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 3: he's in Triple A. And you can even make a

921
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: case that Victor Mason, by the numbers, maybe didn't deserve

922
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: a promotion to Triple A. But I think when you

923
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: look at the intangibles and you look at the skills

924
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: that he has, that obviously he clearly did and he's responding.

925
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: So I think that there's something to that to challenging

926
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: guys to see what they do and how they interact,

927
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: and we haven't seen too much of it. Yet I

928
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: would say so know how would be one, and Valente Bajozo,

929
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: who didn't have that much time in Double A, would

930
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: be another. And he'll pitch tomorrow his second start with

931
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: the Jumbo Shrimp. But I I think if someone struggles,

932
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: you could always send them back down. And I believe

933
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: that because if you trust your coaches, that if there

934
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: is a struggle, when you challenge somebody that you trust

935
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: and that they're going to find what's right. So I

936
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: do think that's that's a good thing. I do. I

937
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 3: would say that in conversations with our guys in the past,

938
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: who there is going to be bitterness at Triple A,

939
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: probably no matter what, because you're so close in it,

940
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: you're so far. But there are probably players who deserve

941
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: to be promoted and didn't get that chance. And I

942
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 3: think that that irked people in the clubhouse. And when

943
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: you're seeing it this way alternatively, and hey, we're giving

944
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 3: you the shot, we're going to promote you, and we're

945
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 3: going to give you that chance, I think that players

946
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: respond to that and they want to live up to

947
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 3: that billing and they want to prove that the trust

948
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 3: and the leverage they were given was well founded. We

949
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: have not seen it as much as you guys have

950
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: said in low A and high A. But we are

951
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: seeing it, whereas in the past regime, I don't think

952
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: we would have seen Mason Junior. I don't think we

953
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: would have seemed to know how for sure. And I

954
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: think it's a good thing that both those guys are

955
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 3: here and clearly they're playing like they belong exactly.

956
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I guess I'll ask you this question. You

957
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 4: kind of touched it a little bit on it. It

958
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 4: just triple A in general at the clubhouse, how that

959
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 4: could be Take us through how difficult it could be

960
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 4: to manage one of those clubhouses. Because you have the

961
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 4: case of what Day Meyers at the start of the

962
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 4: season heath he should have been at the major league level.

963
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: You have a Max Smyer he was sent down. You

964
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: have those type of situations.

965
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 4: Just how difficult can it be for people to manage

966
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: a clubhouse, that type of clubhouse. And I know you

967
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 4: guys have Ryan lebarn with that may have been second episode,

968
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 4: and he kind of touched on in a little bit

969
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 4: how difficult it was knowing that you know, you have

970
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 4: a Troy Johnson out there who was the mini Marron's

971
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 4: Minor League Player of the Year, he probably deserves to

972
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 4: be up at the major league level as well.

973
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: You have those type of situations.

974
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 4: How difficult can it be to kind of handle this

975
00:49:59,440 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 4: type of club.

976
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: I think that's why it's really important to have veterans

977
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 3: like Ryan Lavarnway. There were some you know, even last year,

978
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 3: I think there was some some more challenges that you

979
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: would see, but in previous years, like when Leavarnway was

980
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 3: here in twenty two, I believe and twenty twenty one,

981
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: like you just need that veteran leadership of guys who

982
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 3: know what it's like a to get to the major leagues,

983
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: who know what a special honor that is and how

984
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: you should celebrate it, those kind of organizational wins, but

985
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: be who also understand what it's like in Triple A

986
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: because they were not stars and maybe they were, but

987
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: they get it. They get this level and the anxiety

988
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 3: you feel about being so close and so with this team,

989
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 3: it's it's very interesting. This is a I mean, man,

990
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: they can play more ping pong together. The clubhouse is

991
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: very tight, and I think the players have I mean,

992
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 3: you maybe have heard it on our podcast. Patrick Montaverdi

993
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: said explicitly, and Victor Mason Junior was how close this

994
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: clubhouse is and how unusual that is for Triple A.

995
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: And there were guys in the clubhouse last year who

996
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: I think were very bitter, who are not part of

997
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: this team, and it's just something you're gonna have to

998
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: deal with. And maybe they didn't have the leadership level

999
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: that this year's team does and ron Lavarnway did in

1000
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: the past. So I think you need veterans like that,

1001
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: and I think you just need good people, right Like

1002
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 3: Troy Johnston is a good person. There's a lot of

1003
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: people you would classify as like this is just a

1004
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: good person, not to say they're not frustrated or whatever,

1005
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: because you could still be a good person to be

1006
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: frustrated and be professional. But there are some people I

1007
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: think who maybe took that over the line and complained

1008
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: in the past. So it is a thing in Triple

1009
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: A for sure. But so far this clubhouse has been amazing,

1010
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: and I think that's how you your weather the classic

1011
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: Triple anxiety as well as losing seventeen of twenty games

1012
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: and still be in this spirits that they are down there,

1013
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: so and I think knowing that this is a new

1014
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: regime too. They understand that this is different than it

1015
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 3: was in the past, whereas I think, you know, use

1016
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 3: an example, last year, I forget who the injury was,

1017
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: but you had Jake Mangum and Brian Miller both playing

1018
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: very well down here, and instead of calling one of

1019
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: them up. Jonathan Davis is a great guy too. He's

1020
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: one of these veteran leaders that were talking about on

1021
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 3: this team, but they traded for Jonathan Davis, and I

1022
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: think there are people here who looked at that as like, man, like,

1023
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 3: what do these guys had to do? Brian Miller is

1024
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 3: a really good player and he's playing great. Jake Mangum

1025
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: nobody works harder than him and he's playing great, and

1026
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 3: I think that that rubbed people the wrong way. But

1027
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: it's a different regime now, and I think that that

1028
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 3: is impactful, and I think that this team is really tight.

1029
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 3: Also speaks to the coaching staff as well, doing their part.

1030
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 3: And I know this is a really long and rambling answer,

1031
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 3: but Triple A is a tough, tough level, and it's

1032
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: unusual to have this sort of chemistry level that this

1033
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 3: team has and at times has had in the past.

1034
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two I put it in there twenty twenty one.

1035
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 3: I think in the limited that I got to see

1036
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: because of COVID, maybe that's why they were, you know,

1037
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: in their little shell and that helped them a little bit.

1038
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is a need you need at the

1039
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: lower levels. I think you could coaches is really important,

1040
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 3: Leadership is important, but at this level you need player

1041
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: accountability and play player leadership. Victor Troy. There's several other

1042
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 3: pieces Devin Smeltzer of guys here that just get it,

1043
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: and they could they do a really good job of

1044
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 3: teaching the younger guys and managing those. Hey, I want

1045
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: to get back to Triple A older guys.

1046
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 4: And I think that's what really sends out about you

1047
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 4: guys this season. Specifically, you guys have those older guys,

1048
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 4: you know, like a Devin Smeltzer who has had success

1049
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 4: at the major league level during his time, and then

1050
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 4: you have young guys like a Javier Sonoha. So it's

1051
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 4: a good mesh for the clubhouse and it's definitely shown,

1052
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: you know, you know, specifically, you know recently now that

1053
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 4: you guys are finding more team success there. But to

1054
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 4: wrap it up here, Scott, I want to ask about

1055
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 4: the major League team. I don't know how often you

1056
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 4: guys specifically follow it, but you were up here in Miami.

1057
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 4: You got a great game, and it was one of

1058
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 4: one of four four straight serious wins for these Marlins,

1059
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 4: despite now being nine games behind and really more of

1060
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 4: a retool season. It's looking for this organization, what is

1061
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: there to be excited about? If you're a fan of

1062
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 4: the Miami Marlins, what are you excited about about the

1063
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: major league team? And you could even talk about some

1064
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 4: guys at Triple A. You know, Victor Mason Junior's call

1065
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 4: up I think will be extremely exciting for many as

1066
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 4: well as you know Troy whenever that ends up happening,

1067
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: because it's not even it's not about if, it's more

1068
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 4: about when those guys.

1069
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 3: Will be up here. I think, for one, this team

1070
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: could have packed it in when they traded Luisa Rise.

1071
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 3: They were off to a dreadful start, and then you

1072
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: lose one of your most popular players who is a very,

1073
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 3: very player, and there's all this trauma going on with

1074
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 3: I think that was right about the time where I

1075
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 3: don't know if it was you guys or somebody else

1076
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 3: that reported the Skip Schumacher option and that being avoided.

1077
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: You know that it really could have gone off the

1078
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: rails there and it didn't there, and they were so

1079
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: beat up too. They still are a little bit. But

1080
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 3: the fact that they said, Okay, we lost one of

1081
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: our best players and there's all this other stuff out

1082
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: of our control just swirling around in the media, and

1083
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: they have responded to that by winning four consecutive series.

1084
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: That to me would get me excited that this is

1085
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: a group of guys that cares.

1086
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: For one.

1087
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: Are they going to make a crazy run of the postseason.

1088
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: I don't know that. They still are pretty far behind,

1089
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: but you don't know. Four consecutive series wins you keep

1090
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 3: stacking it. It's not like the wild card is. You

1091
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 3: don't need that many wins. As we saw last year,

1092
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 3: you could do it. There's a lot of flawed teams

1093
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: in there, and there's no reason the Marlins can't be

1094
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: one of them. That would get me excited that they care.

1095
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: Acquisitions like Auto Lopez would get me excited that this

1096
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 3: front office can work at the periphery and fine pickups

1097
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 3: like that. That would get me excited about the future,

1098
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 3: because we know right now that it appears that this

1099
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: team is in sell mode and so they could change

1100
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 3: that if they keep playing the way they are. But

1101
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: as of now, I would be surprised if Luisa Rise

1102
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 3: I have no information on this. I'm just speaking off

1103
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: the cuff. You're going to sell in May, it would

1104
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 3: be surprising to not at least sell a little bit

1105
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 3: in June and July. So I think that creates opportunity

1106
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: here in Triple A. We've talked about a lot of

1107
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 3: those guys who are really interesting that I think would

1108
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 3: be excited about. And I think that if you're seeing

1109
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 3: pickups like Auto Lopez, and you're seeing interesting minor league

1110
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: signings like Elvis Alvarado, who I really think is going

1111
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 3: to play a role here down the stretch. He's he's good,

1112
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 3: and the Patres traded they got some pretty good pieces back.

1113
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 3: I mean that I think a lot of people like

1114
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: that return. I'm not an expert in any of those players,

1115
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 3: besides slightly on USA Go, because I've seen him pitch

1116
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: three or four times now, even then, he's still an

1117
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 3: unknown and I think in a lot of ways, so

1118
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: but I just this is a front office that comes

1119
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 3: from a place that is very successful, and I think

1120
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: that if they want to do it, this way. It

1121
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 3: stinks to have the short term pain, especially after the

1122
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: season they just had. It really stinks, and I empathize

1123
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 3: with any fan for being upset and frustrated by it.

1124
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: But I hope by the limited moves that they've done

1125
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 3: so far that they're showing that they have a pretty

1126
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: decent idea of what they're doing. And they're trying to

1127
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: build up not just a major league team, but they

1128
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: need to build up the minor league system, and that

1129
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: was neglected considerably in the past, and I think you

1130
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 3: could see it with the roster last year even to

1131
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: an extent this year. There's not a ton of guys here.

1132
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 3: There's not like a super crazy top prospect that maybe

1133
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 3: other teams in our league have, like a Durham has

1134
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 3: playing this week. So it's gonna be short term frustrations.

1135
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: And again I get it any fan to feel that way.

1136
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: But if you're not going to spend the money that

1137
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 3: the Mets are going to spend or the Dodgers are

1138
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: going to spend, even those teams, you know, a tier

1139
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: or two down, you've got to invest in your farm

1140
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: system and your organization and your infrastructure. I know, all

1141
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: those things sound like silly buzzwords and excuses and blah

1142
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: blah blah, but they are meaningful. We are seeing an

1143
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 3: impact here. I could tell you from just watching these

1144
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 3: guys do their work. It is impactful. And then to

1145
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 3: see the acquisitions they're bringing in already, that would get

1146
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 3: me excited as a fan, even though they got up

1147
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 3: to the start that they.

1148
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: Did, so, I mean, you basically said it perfectly about

1149
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: if you're not going to spend money like these big

1150
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: market teams, which the.

1151
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: Mart are not ever going to do, you have to

1152
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: be a feeder system.

1153
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: And like you said, it was neglected, so you have

1154
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: to trade some of your assets to bring back multiple pieces.

1155
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: And I said this on a podcast to Scott. You

1156
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: know they could have traded Ariaz and gotten one star

1157
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: studed prospect back, but you need more than one guy, right,

1158
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: So you need a lot more than one guy. With

1159
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: where this system is right now, overall, definitely have some

1160
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: good pieces, but you know, you need a bit more

1161
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: to get to where the Marlins need to be organizationally.

1162
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: And then, like you said, the investments that they're making

1163
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: and bringing in more pieces of player development. I always

1164
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: point this out that me and Kevin were at spring

1165
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: training last year and we were there this year. There's

1166
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: just so much more in the way of technology. Like

1167
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, on those backfields, that tower that they have,

1168
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: there's like seventeen to eighteen more computers up there now

1169
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: that they're looking at. There's more equipment that they're putting

1170
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: out to study analytics. There's more equipment that they're putting

1171
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: out to get the most out of these players. There's

1172
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: more that they're putting into strength and conditioning. They're doing

1173
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: it the right way to create an atmosphere that players

1174
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: will be good in for the long term versus just

1175
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: guys that'll be here for a little while, right, And

1176
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: that's exactly what the Marlins need to do. So I

1177
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: totally get it that fans, longtime fans of this team

1178
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: will look at it and say, same old Marlins.

1179
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: But if you look at it well beyond.

1180
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: The surface, based on everything that you just said, with

1181
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: how they're investing into players and how they're trying to

1182
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: build it up, because they know how to do that

1183
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: and they've.

1184
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: Done it before, it's different. It's not the same old Marlins.

1185
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: So I think that's what fans need to understand, and

1186
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: there's reason to be excited about that more than anything.

1187
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, and sorry to cut you off, Alex.

1188
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 3: It's nothing against these players, but a lot of the

1189
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 3: guys that they have brought in in the past were

1190
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 3: people who are older, who were off career years that

1191
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: were very unlikely to be repeated, and then they were

1192
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 3: giving up minor league players in the process. On top

1193
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 3: of this, there's like compounding a mistake to go after

1194
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: these guys, and here you're going after young guys. I

1195
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 3: don't know, petis is what twenty five ish, twenty four

1196
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 3: I forget at the top of my head. But you

1197
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 3: need youth, you need athleticism. You don't want guys in

1198
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 3: the wrong set of thirty and then to compound it

1199
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 3: by giving up minor league players who are interesting. And

1200
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 3: there's a lot of traits that come to mind. I

1201
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 3: don't think we need to rehash them and point out

1202
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 3: specific things, but that to me, just the type of

1203
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: player you're chasing is significantly why it's not same on Marlins.

1204
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 3: But again, I totally understand where fans are coming from.

1205
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 3: It has not been easy to be a Marlins fan

1206
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 3: for a long time. I just want to say that

1207
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 3: right off the cuff, but I really I do believe

1208
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 3: that this front office, this organization is truly trying to

1209
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 3: take that step forward. It's just it's going to be

1210
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 3: Maybe they'll keep winning and that would be amazing, but

1211
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 3: so far it's been a tough year, and I get

1212
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 3: why fans are reacting the way they are. I totally

1213
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 3: understand it.

1214
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely well, this has been absolutely amazing.

1215
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: Again, Scott, You're always so great with us, Like there's

1216
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: no possible way that me and Kevin could possibly do

1217
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: what we do without your help.

1218
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: Every time we need something, we go to Scott.

1219
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: He answers us right away, game notes, every day, rostermove

1220
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: as soon as it happens, Like all that stuff that

1221
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: you do, the attention that in detail that you give

1222
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: to your job, and the dedication that you have is

1223
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: so so admirable.

1224
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: Really just honestly, it's fabulous. Seeing your call up was amazing.

1225
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: Definitely deserve based on everything that we have said today,

1226
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: and we hope to see you back in Miami. I

1227
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: want to see you stay in Jacksonville because I'm the

1228
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: minor league guy and I love dealing with you, but

1229
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: I also want you to get to where you deserve

1230
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: to be, and I think you deserve to be anywhere

1231
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: that you want to be because you're so so great

1232
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: at what you do. So again, me and Kevin really

1233
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: appreciate you taking time out of your very busy day

1234
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: which you just went into and all the hats that

1235
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: you wear weake. We appreciate you taking time this morning

1236
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: to talk to us really great stuff, really great insight

1237
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: into this team and the Marlins as a whole.

1238
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: And it's it's.

1239
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: Fabulous to call you a colleague, a friend and to

1240
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: have you here today. So thank you, thank you, thank you,

1241
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much.

1242
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: Guys, thank you, and my apologies. I know I could

1243
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 3: be slow texting. My apologies. I know you guys have

1244
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: texted me and sometimes I'm not right away, and for

1245
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 3: that I apologize. I have one more funny story for

1246
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: you if you're willing about that debut. So you had

1247
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 3: asked about, like, you know, was it is? You know,

1248
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 3: was it awesome? And like I said, yes, of course

1249
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 3: it was that I had wished that the game would

1250
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 3: last longer, and it did. And during the postgame show,

1251
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 3: I texted my wife, who had I have two very

1252
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: young kids. They go to sleep at like seven thirty,

1253
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 3: so they left in the ninth inning and went back

1254
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: to the hotel and I texted her, this has been

1255
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 3: the most incredible day ever. And she replied, and I

1256
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 3: would prefer this preface this by saying my son's name

1257
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 3: is Sam. She said, Sam just threw up all over

1258
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 3: the hotel elevator.

1259
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 2: So I said, a.

1260
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 3: Slightly less incredible day, but it really was. My family

1261
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 3: loved it. Again. Thank you to the Marlins, to Kyle,

1262
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 3: to Steven for truly making me. It was an amazing day.

1263
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 3: They made me feel like a big leaguer. They gave

1264
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: me the lineup card for some reason that should have

1265
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 3: gone to Auto. He's way more important than me. But

1266
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 3: it was an amazing day and it is great dealing

1267
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 3: with you guys, and I'm happy to do it as

1268
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: long as I'm here, or you know, hopefully one day

1269
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 3: we'll be there even more than a day. But I

1270
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 3: am again, I didn't want to say it was such

1271
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 3: an incredible, incredible, incredible, incredible day. To even get one.

1272
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 3: If that's all I get, I'm so lucky.

1273
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: I think there'll be way more in your future. So again,

1274
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here. You're so great with us,

1275
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, thank you, thank you. For today as well.

1276
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: So that's gonna do it, guys. That's episode sixty swimming Upstream.

1277
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: Thank you to Scott again for his time. Of course,

1278
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: you can listen to Scott wherever you listen to minor

1279
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: league baseball. He does every single game with his colleagues

1280
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: and partners there in Jacksonville. And like I said, get

1281
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville. It is a fabulous place to be. Say

1282
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: hi to Scott.

1283
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 2: He's fabulous and so friendly and such a nice dude.

1284
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 2: So thank you to Scott again. That'll do it for

1285
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: today and we'll see you guys next time on the show.