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Speaker 2: It's called Notice.

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Speaker 1: It is News of the United States, the otis PTISCTUS,

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right call, but I understand.

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Speaker 1: I get what they're doing. They're literally retreating on all

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Speaker 1: things local and wanting to be a more national conversation.

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Speaker 1: I've seen you guys lean more into local. I feel

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Speaker 1: like you've covered the mayor's race more often than the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post does. For instance, intentional or just opportunistic.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I wouldn't say either. I think we're really

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Speaker 4: interested in political stories, stories about the Democratic Party, stories

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Speaker 4: about the federal government taking over Washington, d C. Which

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Speaker 4: is obviously a massive, important local and national story. I

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Speaker 4: think that the stories from Virginia about where the Democratic

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Speaker 4: Party was is heading super important, Wes Moore in Maryland,

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Speaker 4: Like these are all national stories that also serve as

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Speaker 4: local stories.

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Speaker 2: The back yard, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I just think like for us, it's like, we're here,

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Speaker 4: We've got people, these are interesting stories. Why wouldn't we

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Speaker 4: Why wouldn't we tell them? Like, I think what I

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Speaker 4: would say is, I'll just never say no to an

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Speaker 4: interesting story and all of the So.

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Speaker 1: It's not like, Okay, we're covering local Washington and how

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Speaker 1: much culture like.

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Speaker 4: An explort, but like what has happened? What happened? What's

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Speaker 4: happening to the Kennedy Center? Fascinating story that we feel

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Speaker 4: like we should be telling as well.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think it's fun that you like picked

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Speaker 4: up on that, because I think it is.

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Speaker 1: I guess I see it what it does for me.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like if you guys weren't didn't exist,

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Speaker 1: I'd feel like there was a bigger gap in Like

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Speaker 1: there's just a whole bunch of what I would say

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Speaker 1: are quote local stories, as you say, with national implications

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Speaker 1: that the Washington Post has just decided no longer to cover,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if that is a temporary decision

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Speaker 1: by them or not, but I think good. I mean

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Speaker 1: this is primarily I think how you've worked your way

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Speaker 1: in my daily news stream, because it feels like you're

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Speaker 1: covering stories that they stopped covering.

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Speaker 6: To that point as well. I think also, we just

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Speaker 6: like breaking news a lot, and if there's a way

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Speaker 6: to break some news on anything, I think we're all in.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we broke the news about the I remember

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Speaker 6: it was the week the White House corresponds week. It was.

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Speaker 3: It was a Sunday Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 6: I was very hungover, and we got a story of

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Speaker 6: that the Washington Commander Stadium was moving to the old

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Speaker 6: RF camp and that they the city had an agreement

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Speaker 6: they were announcing on Monday, and I remember being at

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Speaker 6: a bar, just like taking out my phone and it

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Speaker 6: was just like, it is a local story, not necessarily

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Speaker 6: a national, not usually my wheelhouse, but it's just like

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Speaker 6: we like breaking it.

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Speaker 3: We like that whole thing, and I'm like.

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Speaker 6: Oh, this is a good kind of scoop or a

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Speaker 6: good way to kind of break news and not going

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Speaker 6: to like nothing's really too small in that sense, because

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Speaker 6: it's like, oh, there are readers that really do care

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Speaker 6: about this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's talk about like the environment that we're

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Speaker 1: in right now out and sort of Washington, Kate. I've

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Speaker 1: had a friend who says, who's lived here a long time,

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Speaker 1: who says, you know, it's DC feels just different. And

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Speaker 1: I always joke about like there is you know, the

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Speaker 1: buildings stay the same, although right with this administration, he

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Speaker 1: might actually change the building design. But it is funny

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Speaker 1: how the occupant makes people look at a building differently

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Speaker 1: and look at things a little bit differently. Do you

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Speaker 1: sense that the city has changed in the last year,

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Speaker 1: Like is he the cultural imprint on the city itself?

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Speaker 2: On the attitude?

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Speaker 1: You know, as a friend of mine jokes, are we

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Speaker 1: an occupied city at the moment?

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily feel that way. So I I'm a

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Speaker 4: bit of a transient.

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Speaker 6: I am.

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Speaker 4: My permanent residence is in Massachusetts, and I come down

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Speaker 4: to Washington quite often.

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Speaker 1: So you already view Washington as sort of a You've

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Speaker 1: got a different relationship with Washington, and perhaps I mean, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean I lived Look, I lived here for I lived

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Speaker 4: here for thirteen years, and to go you know, with

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Speaker 4: my family and stuff. But I it's interesting to come

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Speaker 4: back because come back and forth because I read about

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Speaker 4: you know, this is happening, and this is happening, and

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Speaker 4: then I come back here and I'm like, oh, it

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Speaker 4: feels exactly the same.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. People say, what's it like with the

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Speaker 2: National Guard troops.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, other than people wearing fatigues every once in

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Speaker 1: a while walking on the sidewalk, nothing's really change.

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Speaker 2: And in fact, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know why, And I always say, if they were going

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Speaker 1: to do this, I don't know why they keep putting

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Speaker 1: them in the tourist attractions. I don't know why they

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Speaker 1: don't put them in other parts of the city where

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Speaker 1: maybe they could use a little bit of extra extra I.

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Speaker 4: Actually, I mean I don't think. I don't really think

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Speaker 4: that it was Donald Trump necessarily necessarily like this term

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Speaker 4: of Donald Trump. But to me, the biggest difference was

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Speaker 4: cover Capitol Hill before the pandemic and before January sixth,

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Speaker 4: and then covering Capitol Hill after the pandemic and after January,

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Speaker 4: and that is there's like market difference.

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Speaker 2: Tell me more, Tell me more about that.

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Speaker 4: Just like the collegiality of their gone in Gone just nothing.

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Speaker 4: It's nothing, and and and I get it. I think

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Speaker 4: the relationship with between the press and members is more strained,

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Speaker 4: definitely more difficult. I think that even I mean, Reese

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Speaker 4: is there every day, and maybe it's gotten better, but

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Speaker 4: the collegiality between members of the press, you know, when

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Speaker 4: I was there covering things was feet It was a

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Speaker 4: very this was your friends. It was like little like

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Speaker 4: they're your friends who you wanted to be.

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Speaker 1: Obviously team presscore though, wasn't it like yeah, it felt

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Speaker 1: like everybody. It's the way the White House Press Corps.

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Speaker 1: I used to say, being in the White House Press Corps,

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Speaker 1: particularly when we went overseas, it was team America, you know,

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Speaker 1: and and there was and there was sort of a

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Speaker 1: relationship with fellow reporters that was different.

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Speaker 2: You know, yes you competed, but yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and and please correct, like, please correct me if

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Speaker 4: I am wrong. But I am trying to when I

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Speaker 4: bring the fellows up there and bring the Hill team

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Speaker 4: up there, like I am trying to change a little

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Speaker 4: bit of that, like making sure that people understand that

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Speaker 4: this is you know, a like a really special place

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Speaker 4: to cover. Be the best place to cover. I think best.

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Speaker 2: Places to start work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and see, like these people are your colleagues. These

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Speaker 4: are the people that you are, you know, go to

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Speaker 4: work with every single day, and maybe we'll even go

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Speaker 4: through like pretty crazy situation with at some point. And

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Speaker 4: so it's about treating them with respect and collegiality. But

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Speaker 4: which again, like I just feel like it was it

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Speaker 4: was warmer ye before.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Reese, I'm sure you don't love hearing about

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Speaker 1: the good old days because the other the good old

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Speaker 1: days is that they're old, right, you know, And I'm

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Speaker 1: aware like we're never going to go backwards, We're always

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Speaker 1: going to go forward. But how often do you hear

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Speaker 1: a similar sentiment as Kate just expressed from older colleagues

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Speaker 1: on the.

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Speaker 3: Hill quite a bit.

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Speaker 6: Honestly, I do feel I mean a lot of my

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Speaker 6: closest friends are on the press corps. But to your point,

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Speaker 6: it's like it's very clickie. I mean, I'll just admit that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's very much like it doesn't seem like it.

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Speaker 6: There's people who I mean, I've worked along side up

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Speaker 6: here for Congressional yeah, I never talked to It's just

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Speaker 6: very different in that sense. And it's not like there's

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Speaker 6: any animosity or hard feelings towards just like, oh, you

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Speaker 6: have your friends, and that's that.

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Speaker 1: It gets do you start to recognize people you don't

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Speaker 1: know the name of right, You're like, at some point

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Speaker 1: we ought to, we ought to at least, you know,

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Speaker 1: acknowledge each other's existence. It's work side by side of

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Speaker 1: it exactly.

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Speaker 6: There is also though, like a really it's it makes

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Speaker 6: it fun too in the sense there it's like it's

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Speaker 6: very competitive. I played golf in high school in college,

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Speaker 6: and I compare it to a golf team where it's

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Speaker 6: like you're on the same team because you're all like reports,

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Speaker 6: like you're just here there and your friends, but at

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Speaker 6: the same time, like you want to kick their ass,

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Speaker 6: like you want to beat them really bad.

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Speaker 3: And so there is.

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Speaker 6: Much more of like competitive spirit, which I also kind

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Speaker 6: of chalk up to just there's more. I feel like

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Speaker 6: there's a lot more different outlets on the Hill now,

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Speaker 6: like there's a whole lot more competition to go against

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Speaker 6: because it's such a I think there's there's just so

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Speaker 6: much a little of information so much quickly. A lot

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Speaker 6: of people just tweet out little things that happen, or

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Speaker 6: Politico has their blog that they can quickly write stuff up.

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Speaker 6: So it's a lot more of like quick hit scoops,

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Speaker 6: and so that just makes the competition so much more

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Speaker 6: where that's not necessarily stuff I focus on. I don't

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Speaker 6: really care about the quick who's meeting with who, what's

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Speaker 6: going on? Who said this in conference? I like more

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Speaker 6: caring getting those things of writing like a bigger thing.

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Speaker 6: But that still is like you're trying to get it,

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Speaker 6: and then it's like do I run with this now

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Speaker 6: because it might get out there? Do I hold it

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Speaker 6: and use it as like an antidote as a larger,

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Speaker 6: larger story. There's just so much more competition and the

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Speaker 6: flow of information is so much quicker. It's either you

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Speaker 6: get scooped right away or you you hold in try

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Speaker 6: to hope that no one else gets it for it.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about your first guest for your podcast. First

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Speaker 1: of all, tell me you guys launched that this week.

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Speaker 1: What's uh? Do you have a mission? You have a

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Speaker 1: north star for the podcast? What's the what give me

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Speaker 1: your focus?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? It was definitely. I came to them about I

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Speaker 6: want to say, like six months ago. I was like,

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Speaker 6: I'd like to start podcast. I think there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of news of the Day podcast where it's like, here's

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Speaker 6: what's happening today, and you can get to your it's

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Speaker 6: hard to differentiate yourself from that.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, there's so many of those.

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Speaker 6: I there's a couple I listened to, but for the

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Speaker 6: best joy of me the podcast, I listened to our

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Speaker 6: more in depth get to know somebody, like you have

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Speaker 6: time to talk to them. And I was like, there's

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Speaker 6: so many members of Congress that I think that there's

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Speaker 6: the general public doesn't necessarily know unless you're you're a

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Speaker 6: c or Jim Jordan. You're on TV all the time,

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Speaker 6: like they know who those people are. But even then

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Speaker 6: it's like just like they don't really know them no personally.

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Speaker 6: And so I catch an idea of I was like,

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Speaker 6: I want a podcast where it's not a certainly just

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Speaker 6: it's getting another member. I want someone a listener, to

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Speaker 6: be able to listen to these interviews in six months,

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Speaker 6: a year, two years and be like and still it's relevant.

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Speaker 3: It's not talking about so in.

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Speaker 1: Some way it's an oral profile, an exact professional profile.

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Speaker 1: Is the is the goal of each of these Yes,

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Speaker 1: So it's Steve Scalise as your first guest and what's

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Speaker 1: remarkable about him is how he has survived all this

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Speaker 1: change inside the Republican Party. Right, Like you know, basically,

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Speaker 1: you know when you when you look at the House leadership,

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Speaker 1: he's the I guess he's the last man standing.

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Speaker 2: That goes back to was he did he serve with

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Speaker 2: Bayner too? Right?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So so goes back to Bayner through Ryan and all

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Speaker 1: of that. So he is you know, it's funny. He's

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Speaker 1: always been considered more on the conservative side. Now I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the definition of conservative is anymore. That

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Speaker 1: was a subject of a podcast I just had with

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Speaker 1: Jack dan Forth where we were you know what, what

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Speaker 1: what people think it is conservative today is not what

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Speaker 1: people would have called conservative when Steve Scalice began running

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Speaker 1: for Congress. So how does he fit in today's Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's still universe.

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Speaker 6: I mean the republic Party still gets I mean he's

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Speaker 6: really been able to move with the party as it goes.

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Speaker 6: He's made He's a close ally Trump. Trump still brings

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Speaker 6: him up all the time. And these things, especially the

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Speaker 6: story that Trump continually brings upout him is how he

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Speaker 6: visited him after he got shot, how his uh during

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Speaker 6: the assassination tip.

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Speaker 3: And he always was like your wife, do you have

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Speaker 3: a great wife?

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Speaker 6: Like she was like, I'm super nice to talk to

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Speaker 6: you when you're in the hospital, and always brings that

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Speaker 6: story up when he brings up Steve Scleice. But he's

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Speaker 6: really been able to adapt with the times, which is

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Speaker 6: not something that other members of leadership.

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Speaker 2: We just gotta say many haven't been able to pull

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Speaker 2: that off.

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Speaker 6: And he had Bader left beforehand, Ryan left and then

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Speaker 6: McCarthy got ousted.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I haven't wanted people haven't wanted to adjust,

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Speaker 4: and he's like good to adjust, Like he's made.

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Speaker 3: It work, is he not?

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Speaker 1: There has to be some I mean, you know, he

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Speaker 1: probably used to not take Mike Johnson's calls right away,

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Speaker 1: right like he was the dean of the delegation, and

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Speaker 1: you know this young Mike Johnson. He might have screened

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson's calls. He probably wouldn't admit if he did that,

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Speaker 1: but my guess is he might have at first. And

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Speaker 1: now he's got a uh, you know, Mike Johnson has

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Speaker 1: the job that we know Scalice would love to have.

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Speaker 6: And also the job that Steves Cleve did try to

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Speaker 6: get He tried, and he was blocked by the Freedom

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Speaker 6: Colocks and Jordan Allies and that was I mean, I

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Speaker 6: remember people asking him basically when this happened, it was like,

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Speaker 6: you were supposed to be the speaker for Louisiana and

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Speaker 6: now you're like, you're having to hand off to this

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Speaker 6: other eye. And I mean, he would never admit it,

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Speaker 6: but you definitely know there is They're really close. I mean,

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Speaker 6: John Sisclise are close.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 6: They were really tight, very different relationship than him McCarthy had,

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Speaker 6: and but you you could see that he was definitely disappointed,

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Speaker 6: like he that was supposed to be his speakership. He

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Speaker 6: was the majority leader, he was next in line, and

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Speaker 6: he was blocked. I mean, there was stuff that he

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Speaker 6: just couldn't get around. But the ability that he's been

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Speaker 6: able to stay leadership for this long is remarkable. It's

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Speaker 6: especially through an assassination attempt, through cancer, through two Trump

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Speaker 6: presidencies when and through an ever changing conservative faction in

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Speaker 6: the House.

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Speaker 3: It's wild how.

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Speaker 6: He's been able to kind of he might he might

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Speaker 6: have been blocked for me a speaker, but he was

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Speaker 6: also like one of four people that are blocked be

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Speaker 6: a speaker. So wasn't not that that was unique to hand.

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Speaker 6: Nobody would have been was perfect until Mike Johnson. And

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Speaker 6: so it's just it's you definitely do sense that there

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Speaker 6: is probably some disappoinment because that's the job he's always wanted,

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Speaker 6: you know. But him and Mike Johnson are very close.

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Speaker 6: They they hold a relationship that is really good.

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Speaker 1: Kate, I'm curious given your experience now covering a decade

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Speaker 1: of Trump at the variety of locations that you covered him.

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Speaker 1: We're all sitting here. I think this time is different.

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Speaker 1: We've had these Trump dips below and and I think

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Speaker 1: we're all a little you know, there's nobody left that

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Speaker 1: hasn't predicted incorrectly the demise of Donald Trump. Okay, over

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Speaker 1: the last twenty five years of his of his public life.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's it for Trump. You know, the TV

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Speaker 1: star is dead, and that's it for Trump, the casino guy, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's the master of reinvention, He's the master of, frankly,

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Speaker 1: always being counted out a little bit too soon. But

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Speaker 1: this time feels different because part of it, I think

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Speaker 1: is we're impacting a Trump fatigue. But what's your sense,

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Speaker 1: and is you know, what's the similarity to twenty seventeen

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and what make what if it is different?

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Speaker 2: What do you think it's different?

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Speaker 4: I mean, the biggest difference between twenty seventeen and twenty

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Speaker 4: eighteen is twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen there were like

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Speaker 4: norms within the administration that they were still adhering to.

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Speaker 4: I think when they came back into When Trump came

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Speaker 4: back into office, it's very purposeful, like we are going

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Speaker 4: to enact our agenda. I mean, the people he had

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Speaker 4: around him in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen were all

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Speaker 4: pretty establishment Republicans who were there who said, you know,

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Speaker 4: we know how to run a White House, like think

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Speaker 4: about John Kelly, Like these are people who've been in

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Speaker 4: DC and doing it a long time. And Trump this

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Speaker 4: time was like, no, we're not doing that. We are

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Speaker 4: going to bring We're going to have the people around

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Speaker 4: me that are loyal above all else, the trust you

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Speaker 4: know that I trust above all else, and we are

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Speaker 4: going to do what I Donald Trump and they want

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Speaker 4: to do. And so that to me, I look, I

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Speaker 4: am out of the prediction business. I mean prediction one time,

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Speaker 4: a very long time ago, and I shall never do

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Speaker 4: it again, because I was very fond.

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Speaker 3: What was the prediction that.

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Speaker 4: Eric Cancer would not lose his primary?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's right, you never that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't do that anymore. And uh so you know,

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Speaker 4: I I just it is. It is hard for me

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Speaker 4: when I do go up to the hill, when I

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Speaker 4: am in Washington and talking to republics, like, I don't

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Speaker 4: see any fatigue really from them, Like I mean, people

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Speaker 4: are just keep rolling like it like there is whatever,

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Speaker 4: whatever scandal, whatever news story, whatever is happening, and there

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Speaker 4: there is always seems to be a way out.

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Speaker 2: For people, you know, stay rationale. I'm here, stay.

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Speaker 4: And that is so I so I am not I

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Speaker 4: don't see it in the in the party. And I

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Speaker 4: think that you know, the elections next year will tell

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Speaker 3: Oh definitely.

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Speaker 6: I mean I was talking. It's a lot of times

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Speaker 6: perfect ability to grow it. Grabbed a veteran member. Afterwards,

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Speaker 6: they told me they're like, yeah, and I thought I

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Speaker 6: that was their exact quote, and I was so they're

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Speaker 1: Interesting, But you see a really a real dividing line

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Speaker 1: between those that basically that were there before twenty sixteen

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent because they these younger members I would

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Speaker 6: even say young younger in the amount of time they've

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Speaker 6: been in Congress. Rather they they don't know they think

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Speaker 6: Trump can is the only figure the public bard like

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Speaker 6: he could do no wrong. There are type of people

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Speaker 6: that came up and like, if you ran for Congress

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Speaker 6: as a Republican for a first time at post Trump,

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Speaker 6: you're running for Trump. You're not running like you're running

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Speaker 6: because you say something in Trump and there's really and

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Speaker 6: the only way to win was to run towards Trump.

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Speaker 6: You cann't really run make your own really republican lane.

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Speaker 6: So those members are feel more of a sense of oh, like,

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Speaker 6: he'll always find a way to make this right. He'll

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Speaker 6: find a way to say that, like, oh, it might

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Speaker 3: Where is it?

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Speaker 1: The same dividing line among those who lament the lack

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Speaker 1: the presidency that that was also that that divide is

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Speaker 1: between sort of the newbies and the veterans.

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Speaker 6: Oh, definitely, because I don't think newbies really know what

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Speaker 6: it was like when Congress actually had its full power,

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Speaker 6: know what it was like before when Congress was like

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Speaker 6: if they're actually passing appropriations, built, they're funding the government,

876
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 6: they're doing this, like they don't fully remember what is

877
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 6: like one of these older members who have like, oh,

878
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 6: like I remember, like Conngress us actually like we stand

879
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 6: up to a president if we disagreed with it, like.

880
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: And we still here's the irony to that the era

881
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: they're talking about. Those of us that covered that era

882
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: would say this is kind of a weak Congress. They're

883
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: seeding too much power to the presidency.

884
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: So I mean it is.

885
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: Sort of amusing to me because this has been a

886
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: forty year I'd argue a forty year phenomenon that started

887
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: with the Reagan White House sort of usurping more and

888
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: more power, and this has been a consistent thing. Presidents

889
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: never give power back to Congress. I don't care what

890
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: body they are.

891
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 6: I remember I read a good book, The Admission of

892
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 6: the Power, about Jim Wright, and it's a great about

893
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 6: how he was. I think he was the last speaker

894
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 6: to really fully be like, no, like the House, I

895
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 6: am equal to the president.

896
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to use this power to do what I

897
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: need to do.

898
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 6: And that's what he did. He literally saw himself as

899
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 6: like equal to the president. He said he was taking

900
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 6: leaders with foreign leaders like he was doing it as

901
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 6: thing like and I feel like reading that and then

902
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 6: looking at today, I'm like, Mike Johns would never he

903
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 6: would never try to go against I mean, even like

904
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 6: Ken McCarthy and johnsonderbyne like even to the point they

905
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 6: were like, oh that's that's an executive issue, that's not

906
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 6: a legislative issue. Like even in opposite parties, that would

907
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 6: never really happen because they would be like, oh, that's

908
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 6: not our issue, where before under him, right, he was like,

909
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 6: oh there's an issue, Like I'm going to make it

910
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 6: a legislative issue, like it's going to be my thing.

911
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 3: And you don't just don't see that anymore.

912
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: No, I'm I think you know, it's inevitable we'll have another.

913
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: You know, look, we if you look at things with

914
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: a really long lens, we've had cycles of weak congresses.

915
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 2: Versus strong congresses, and I think.

916
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: A period of a stronger legislative branch, particularly if we

917
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: have to continue with a series of one term presidents,

918
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: he is going to be inevitable. We've had three in

919
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: a row, and the last time we had that was

920
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: over one hundred years ago. So in that sense, Kate,

921
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: if there's another difference between twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen

922
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: and today, it's on the democratic side. There was confidence

923
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: and confidence associated both words were associated with the democratic

924
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: leadership Cerca. Twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. Those are not

925
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: two words you would hear to describe the democratic leadership

926
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: of today. How how much of a problem could that

927
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: end up being for Democrats as they even as the

928
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: political environment is pretty good if you're the party not

929
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: in the White House.

930
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I it is funny to watch them.

931
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 4: They always get in their own way, right, Like it's like, oh,

932
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 4: you caught the ball, and then you fumble and caught

933
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 4: the ball and then you fumble. Nancy Pelosi, I think

934
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: even her biggest critics would say she she counted every

935
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: single vote, She knew how to get something that she

936
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 4: wanted done done, and just had this you know, armor

937
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 4: around her where she just did not let that the

938
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 4: infighting truly like trickle in, and it does not seem

939
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: that current Democratic leadership has has got that figured out

940
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 4: at this point. Reese and I were in New Hampshire

941
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 4: a little while ago to see some senator shortly after

942
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 4: the government reopened, some people who may or may not

943
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: be thinking about running for a president in twenty twenty eight.

944
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 4: Senator Chris Murphy, Senator Corey Booker, who both you know,

945
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: had pretty like tough things to say about their leadership,

946
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: and Senator Chuck Schumer, which is just I don't think

947
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 4: is something you saw. I mean, people were obviously very

948
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 4: critical of Harry Reid but it just it was it

949
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 4: was different. You know, people didn't Harry Reid was still

950
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 4: able to keep folks together and get done what he

951
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 4: needed to get done. And the you know, the overwhelming

952
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 4: criticism of Schuber post shut down was that he just

953
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 4: let he you know, he let this coalition dissolve and

954
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: for what. At the end of the day, it was

955
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 4: like they had kept the government shut down and for what.

956
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 4: So I'll be really interested to see how how the

957
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 4: party runs, you know. I think this idea that they

958
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 4: can run on economy and affordability like Trump did in

959
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 4: twenty four and as we saw in the November elections,

960
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: if they can keep on that message, maybe we'll see.

961
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of noise out there, especially on

962
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 4: the far left, and it is very hard for the party,

963
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: I think, to tune that out.

964
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: Reese, what do you sense of the nervousness among you know,

965
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: do Democrats feel bullish or are they always looking over

966
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: their left shoulder early that you're Democrats that you talked to.

967
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 6: I think from talk to them, they definitely feel bullish

968
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,479
Speaker 6: going into the midterms, but they there's just a sense

969
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 6: that there's never gonna like the leader. They don't really

970
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 6: have full like like clearly Nancy Pelosi is what the leader,

971
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 6: as to her point of the Decocrat party, and they don't

972
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 6: really have a leader like Republicans going into midterms, even

973
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 6: when they're down, they're like, oh, Trump's our get like

974
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 6: Trump's gonna endorse something especial.

975
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

976
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 6: Where I mean my colleague Alex Roady wrote about this, Well,

977
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 6: it's about Senate races where they don't really have a

978
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 6: forced clear primaries. They don't have a force to help

979
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 6: get the right candidate elected. Where Steve Dain's last cycle,

980
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 6: the former NRSC chairman was like, we have our candidate,

981
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 6: that's the guy who can win, and we're gonna just

982
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 6: have Trump endorse these people to then help our field.

983
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 6: Like they could put up a candidate in Michigan who

984
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 6: might not be able to be microaders. I put up

985
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 6: a candidate made who can't beat Susan Collins, and they

986
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 6: had these Well they've cleared some fields, but I mean

987
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 6: not in Texas.

988
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: There's possiblity jam.

989
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: Right Roy Cooper cleared a field.

990
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: I don't believe anybody that Chuck Schumer did nothing to

991
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,479
Speaker 1: clear that field, Shared Brown. There's no he by the way,

992
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: they didn't even clear that field, right shared Brown's the

993
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: heavy favorite, but it didn't scare off one challenger with

994
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: a couple of bucks, you know.

995
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 6: And then Texas, I mean they have James Lorigo and

996
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 6: then jam Crockett might get it, and that would also

997
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 6: be a mess for them. So there's also this sense

998
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 6: of like what should be like, Oh, we're gonna win it.

999
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 6: It's like, dang, like, are you gonna well, how's it

1000
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 6: gonna work in the city, we can nominate the row candidate.

1001
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 6: Same in the House, I mean the redistrict you stuff

1002
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 6: is definitely getting to them.

1003
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: Do they accept the premise. Do Democrats accept the premise

1004
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: that they can't win the mid terms without winning both

1005
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: the House and the Senate.

1006
00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: I don't think they do.

1007
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 6: I think the focusing I think that you're like, oh,

1008
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 6: if we win the House were good, they could just

1009
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 6: like hinder.

1010
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: A little bit.

1011
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that to me is that's a loser mentality.

1012
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 2: That's not a when it.

1013
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 6: Is hard to definitely the Senate is definitely significantly harder,

1014
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 6: but means it's more seats.

1015
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: I just did this.

1016
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: I just did a bunch of research on this. We've

1017
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: had We've had thirty three midterms since eighteen ninety four,

1018
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: which was the first time the Out Party swept the

1019
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: House and the Senate in the midterm, and in eighteen

1020
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: of the twenty one times that the Out Party in

1021
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: those thirty three elections gained Senate seats, Eighteen of the

1022
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: twenty one times that the Outparty gained Senate seats they

1023
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: gained four or more Senate seats. So in theory, picking

1024
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: up four Senate seats is sort of the norm. If

1025
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: that party picks up most of the time, it is

1026
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: four or more. So the idea that they viewed that

1027
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: as a reach right now, I think is a real

1028
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: indictment of the fact that they're no longer a national

1029
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: party because they just can't compete in literally a third

1030
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: of the country.

1031
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 6: And then there also is concerned, I mean even about

1032
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 6: states that should be safe New Hampshire with Johnson New

1033
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 6: New getting in, like they're gonna have to spend money

1034
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 6: there when usually I mean, if it was just Scott

1035
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 6: Brown that would have the National Party would not have.

1036
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: Had to spent some money.

1037
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: They might have to spend some I think people under

1038
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: estimate Scott New Hampshire's a quirky state.

1039
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: It is.

1040
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's you know, it's really smart people

1041
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: pissed off at how cold it is, right Like, it's

1042
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: just you know, it's just you know, you never know,

1043
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: very dark winter.

1044
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 4: That was all your hotline popped out there check just

1045
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1046
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: I just well, I'm just vomiting my my data that

1047
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: I just sort of accumulated because I was obsessed with this.

1048
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: How many times has there been an actual clean suite

1049
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: where the outparty won both the House in the Senate.

1050
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: It's actually, I only happened six times since the since

1051
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: the Republican Party became one of the two major parties. Ironically,

1052
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: the first time at ever happened is the first time

1053
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: it was for Grover Cleveland's presidency, in the second mid

1054
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: term of his second non consecutive term. I'm not saying

1055
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: history repeats itself, but.

1056
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 6: But I think you also been a difficulty for Democrats

1057
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 6: that I'm hearing a lot is that there's no cohesion

1058
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 6: of message. Like the shutdown I think really amplified that

1059
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 6: where there were some people, I mean, they're just and

1060
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 6: even if there is a message, they don't really fight

1061
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 6: to push forward with it, like the message was, oh,

1062
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 6: it's a Republican shutdown, but like, we're not going to

1063
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 6: open it back up until we get healthcare.

1064
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: Like it was just this.

1065
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 6: Democrats are really upset about how there wasn't fac because it.

1066
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: Wasn't about healthcare. But they couldn't say what it was

1067
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: really about because the public didn't. You know, it was

1068
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: really about not trust that the executive in a weird way,

1069
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: it was an old fashioned Hey, the executive branch doesn't

1070
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: respect the legislative branch. We can't trust them to the

1071
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: laws that we pass. They won't try to nullify. But

1072
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: your good luck selling that message.

1073
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 3: It's hard.

1074
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone on Capitol Hill really feels

1075
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 4: like a winner right now. I don't know, like vibe up.

1076
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 4: There is so bad people.

1077
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: I've heard it's super bad. And I mean, you know,

1078
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: you hear the anecdotes. I mean that people are demoralized.

1079
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: That should I mean, look, I assume we're going to

1080
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: see two to three retirements a week for the next

1081
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: six weeks. And it feels especially if, like I said,

1082
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: we're taping before the Tennessee special. If you know, I

1083
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: assume Republicans hang on and went narrowly win it. But

1084
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: if an earthquake happens, A retirement earthquake could happen.

1085
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't necessarily think that there'll be like immediate

1086
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 6: resignations like MTG, But I do think to your point

1087
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 6: that people are just gonna be like I don't want it,

1088
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 6: probably especially if they're like I don't want to be

1089
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 6: in the minority, Like it's miserable in the majority, this

1090
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Speaker 6: will be even more miserable to the minority.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to just leave, right and it's gonna.

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Speaker 4: Be some really interested members who say, like being in

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00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 4: the minority is like slightly more fun because you don't

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00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 4: really have to like do any that, you know, like.

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Speaker 2: You don't really have to do you don't do anything.

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00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 4: You don't do anything, like you just show up and

1097
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 4: yell a little bit, and you don't actually have to

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00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 4: be responsible for for policies in the same way. Obviously,

1099
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 4: obviously they you know, they want to win the majority.

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00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 4: But I just think I think that like the as

1101
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 4: you said, the you know, getting getting cohesion or talking

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00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 4: like a winner, that there is none of that, there's

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00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 4: like none of that feeling anymore among any like they

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Speaker 4: I don't feel like they're even trying necessarily, you know,

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00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 4: like Kristin Jilbrand. Kristen Jilbrand is the is the DSCC chair?

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00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: How about the fact that no, it is, but I

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00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: do the same thing, Kate, Uh, it's it is Kirsten

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Speaker 1: Jilibrand because talk about somebody who has chosen to have

1111
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: the in an anonymous footprint, like you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: she does not want to be seen.

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Speaker 3: She does not.

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Speaker 1: It's a strange thing. I'm very curious about a relationship

1115
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: with Schumer. I'm sure it's okay, but I'm usually senators

1116
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: from the same state, from the same party, you know,

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00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: the relationships, it's never usually great. Weirdly, the relationships are

1118
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: better when it's when it's from opposite parties. Sometimes unless

1119
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: you're Ron Johnson and Tamy Baldwin, but you get along

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Speaker 1: with Ron Johnson, right.

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00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: But it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's been really strange watching this DSCC. They

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Speaker 1: are I think the argument they would make, Kate is, Hey,

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00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: everybody hates the establishment, so we don't want to we

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Speaker 1: don't want to stick our head up and become a target.

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Speaker 4: Well, then why I pick an establishment senator to run

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00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 4: the DSCC. You know, it's bizarre to me. Because I

1128
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 4: feel like, you know, previously previous DSCC chairs twenty twenty

1129
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 4: fourteen and twenty eighty, some of the other midterms I've covered,

1130
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 4: like there's briefit. You know, there's briefings, they're they're doing things,

1131
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 4: they're out there, they're talking, and I just I.

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00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: Don't feel well, Rece.

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Speaker 1: I was just going to say, do you think if

1134
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: you've got a question about a Senate race, do you

1135
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: go to Schumer's office or jail a Brand's office.

1136
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 6: I go to consultants. I'm like, this is like a

1137
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 6: lot of times the DS. I'm gonna be honest, like

1138
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 6: I found it. I find that the DS is not

1139
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 6: super responsive all the time, like and I think that also,

1140
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 6: like if I wanted to know something specific about the

1141
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 6: Senate race, like will either go to the candidates or

1142
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 6: people in the state there who are like maybe not

1143
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 6: necessarily working for a candidate, but might be working for

1144
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 6: the state party or might just be a consultant there.

1145
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: That's more where I focus.

1146
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 6: And I think that it's been it's just been difficult,

1147
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 6: Like there there's a lot like the NRSC has been

1148
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 6: hosting briefings and they've been like there's at least been

1149
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 6: some more conversation and communication. It's I will say the

1150
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 6: D trip is really good. I'm get into the D

1151
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 6: trip is really communicated. So the NRCC, but the DS

1152
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 6: I've just found to be not like just I just

1153
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 6: I don't know, I just has been kind of a

1154
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 6: more of a difficult relationship. And I don't know, maybe

1155
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 6: that's on me, maybe I'm not doing pretty my best

1156
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 6: foot for.

1157
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: Well, we're not alone.

1158
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: It's just that they just don't they don't you get

1159
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: the sense that that they're there keeping their head down

1160
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: because there's this awkward conversation happening in some of the

1161
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: Senate primaries where there's where supporting Schumer is a litmus

1162
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: test and which is gonna put the DS? And you know,

1163
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: so my guess is there almost afraid to go on

1164
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: the record about any Senate Democratic candidate.

1165
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then also like their whole they completely true.

1166
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 6: And there's also I mean, I remember they Jill brand

1167
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 6: I believe, was saying literally on the record that oh,

1168
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 6: we're not going to get involved in the main primary,

1169
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 6: We're gonna let this play out. And then I reported

1170
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 6: and I'm like, you have a joint fundraising committee with

1171
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 6: with Jana Mills like this is and then like I

1172
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 6: tweeted that out, I'm like, this is a JFC with

1173
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 6: Jana Mills and the d SEC, Like I don't know how.

1174
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: Much more clearly it could be. And then and that later.

1175
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 6: Was like, oh, like that's not really an endorsement, like

1176
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 6: it is one hundred endorsement if you're joint fundraising with her.

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01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 6: And so there's just like they want to help their candidates.

1178
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 6: But at the same time that ask.

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01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: You this race, did they start one with Grant with

1180
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: Plattener yet or not?

1181
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 6: They did not starve over the Grant platter I don't

1182
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 6: think that's in the cards.

1183
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

1184
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 6: And same thing in like Michigan, like they're very much

1185
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 6: behind Hailey Stevens, but it's like they don't want to

1186
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 6: publicly put all their weight behind her.

1187
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: Well she looks, I yeah, I mean talk about a

1188
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: candidate that you can tell is in baseball, there's an

1189
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: expression having It was an old expression called rabbit ears,

1190
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: and it was for baseball players who who were too

1191
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: tuned into what the people in the crowd were saying

1192
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: and not focused enough on the game. Haley Stevens strikes

1193
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: me as a candidate that's got rabbitt he or she

1194
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: reads every bad press clipping she gets and is constantly

1195
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: fearing she's got She's got the look of a candidate

1196
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: running scared and and she wants to recreate the Slocktin campaign.

1197
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: And it's not going to happen this cycle. It's just

1198
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: a different cycle. And and I could feel the pressure

1199
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: seems to be getting durned. I think the question now

1200
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: is at elside, she looks like a candidate that that's

1201
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: running nervous, and nervous candidates don't win.

1202
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 6: And my colleagues Altrody and Danielle Diaz wrote a good

1203
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 6: story about Haley Steve Is about how the party is

1204
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 6: actually like dang, do we push for the right person?

1205
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: Like this is like it had been better off with McMorrow.

1206
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: But the problem is that's the thing. Is it a

1207
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: scarlet letter if you get the party's endorsement, right, is

1208
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: it automatically sending the wrong message which is a really

1209
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: troubling place for the for the brand of the party

1210
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: to be. Let me get you both out of here

1211
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: on the following and Kate, I'll start with you, and

1212
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: that is give me a couple of names that people

1213
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: don't know, right, now that you think will be household

1214
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: names in Washington a year from now. You know, maybe

1215
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: it's a member of Congress, maybe it's a uh, you know,

1216
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: a candidate for Congress, but somebody that that may become

1217
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: more of a household name. You know that In a

1218
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: similar question for you Rees, but really focused on your

1219
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: being on Capitol Hill because I think sometimes the so

1220
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: called backbenchers, right, you know, Mike Johnson was a backbencher

1221
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: until he wasn't, right, like, and I think that's we

1222
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: know this happens. So give me a couple of names,

1223
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: Kate and Reese. I want to get you out of

1224
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: there on the same question.

1225
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't know, like like DC household names, but.

1226
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean outside of it, right that that actually you

1227
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: know that let's put it in another way that either

1228
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: the Ruthless guys or the Pod Save America guys are

1229
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: going to be obsessing over this person a year from

1230
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: now and right now, this person wouldn't be on either

1231
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: of their.

1232
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: Radars, right. They're to me, they're the sort of.

1233
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: The partisan zeitgeist guys, right, you know, whatever the zeitgeist

1234
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: of the left or the zeitgeist of the right is.

1235
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 1: They kind of both sort of seem to tune their

1236
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: podcasts into that, right, So.

1237
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 4: I'll shout out to someone who's an upcoming guest on

1238
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 4: the on Notice podcast.

1239
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 2: That's a smart way to do it, promoting.

1240
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 4: Becca Balance from Vermont. She's a at large member from Vermont.

1241
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: She utter right, right, this is she?

1242
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 3: She is?

1243
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 4: She took yeah, well she's seat And a lot of

1244
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 4: people see her as sort of the heir apparent to

1245
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders. If Bernie does retire, will she take up

1246
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 4: his mantle? You know, they sort of see her as

1247
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 4: as just a potential successor. And I thought Reese's conversation

1248
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 4: with her was fascinating. So hope people listen to that

1249
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 4: one and tune in, and so I think she'll she's

1250
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 4: definitely on the radar. And then someone who's a little

1251
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 4: more I think already on some people's radars, is another

1252
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 4: upcoming Unnotice Gus Marie Glusen can't peress. I just fine

1253
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 4: to be just were.

1254
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: This close to where MGP is going to mean something

1255
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: to people?

1256
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: Right, We're not quite there, right, Marie.

1257
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: Glusen camp Perez. But the exactly or or.

1258
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: Or or MTG right, you know, so or STP, which

1259
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: for Nascar fans, they would know Reese over to you

1260
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: two in.

1261
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 3: The Senate, two in the House. The Senate.

1262
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 6: I'm going to go Rubin Diego, who freshman Democratic Center

1263
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 6: from Arizona.

1264
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 2: You think his star is only going to get brighter

1265
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: over them.

1266
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 3: I think it's only going to grow.

1267
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 6: He is really kind of making a name for himself

1268
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 6: in the Senate, both in foreign policy realm and then

1269
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 6: also with the defense video that Trump he seems to.

1270
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: Be seeking it out right, He's seeking out action.

1271
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he loves it, he loves it.

1272
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Speaker 6: And then also I think Bernie Marino from Ohio, who

1273
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 6: be shared Brown is I think he just has again

1274
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 6: like a good foreign policist, but also like a political

1275
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 6: actionen that is catching the eye of a lot of people.

1276
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 6: And he I think that these two freshmen are definitely

1277
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 6: not household names by any stress imagination. But I mean,

1278
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 6: you don't be Sharon Brown and not have some kind

1279
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 6: of skill and stay with Rumaguego. I mean, he beat

1280
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 6: Kerry Lake, who wasn't necessarily the hardest candidate to be,

1281
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 6: but there was still I mean Trump on Arizona that

1282
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 6: year and or guessing last year.

1283
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Speaker 1: You know the way you described Marino and I've actually

1284
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: heard it. It sounds like he's a future in r

1285
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: SC chair.

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01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 6: I think that, I mean, always a possibility. He has

1287
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 6: this just this real political wit about him and he.

1288
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: And let's be honest, he's a car salesman and I

1289
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: and I mean this in the in the best way

1290
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: to describe it. You know, he knows how to talk,

1291
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: he knows how to community exactly.

1292
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Speaker 6: And then on the house, I'm gonna say, I think

1293
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Speaker 6: someone who's definitely not a household name, but I would

1294
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 6: keeping out is Brian jack. He's Trump's former political director

1295
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 6: in the White House. He is He also worked for

1296
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 6: Ken McCarthy for as a political director prior to running,

1297
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 6: and he is he doesn't do a lot of TV hits.

1298
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 6: He's not a big media guy. But there was even

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Speaker 6: a rumor, I mean, when Richard Hudson was considering whether

1300
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Speaker 6: to try to go for EENC chairman or go for.

1301
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 3: An RCC his name was thrown out.

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Speaker 6: He hadn't been sworn in yet as a possible NRCC

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Speaker 6: chairman as a freshman, which obviously that I mean Hudson

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Speaker 6: decided to go and the route of saying in RCC chairman. Uh,

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Speaker 6: but yeah, Brian Jack is definitely someone who is really

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Speaker 6: just a great operator. McCarthy loves him Trump. He's he

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Speaker 6: has a really close relationship with Trump.

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Speaker 2: And to have both. Yeah, he's not going to be.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're not gonna se him what Fox News all

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Speaker 6: the time. But I mean a lot of times most

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Speaker 6: the best operator in the house are the people that

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Speaker 6: you don't necessarily see all the time.

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Speaker 1: Well that's that's that's why I was asking you guys,

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Speaker 1: because I that's all right. It's the old cliche the

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Speaker 1: show horse versus the workhorse exactly. You know, you have

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Speaker 1: those that think just showing up on Fox News is

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Speaker 1: the job right on others or ms you know others, And.

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Speaker 6: I think someone who is like a perfect example of this.

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Speaker 6: I mean Patrick mckenrick. He went to Congress being like

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna be a show horse, got some talking to

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Speaker 6: became a workhorse and speaker pro temp for three weeks.

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Speaker 6: Like he really reinvented himself in that sense.

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Speaker 1: But like I enjoy referring to him as mister speaker.

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Speaker 1: I see him quite a bit these days. It's uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's ah.

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Speaker 3: I see him.

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Speaker 6: His kids go to school right by my house. I

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Speaker 6: always see him walking his kids. I still say, mister Speaker,

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Speaker 6: I think it pisses him off to nowhen.

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Speaker 2: Oh so weirdly, I think he kind of I think

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