WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: Dangling Off a Balcony

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everyone to Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Thursday, June fifth, and the Didy trial is

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<v Speaker 2>about to get underway once again. This is the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>full week of testimony. I'm Amy Robock along with my

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<v Speaker 2>partner TJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes.

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<v Speaker 2>Starting a little later this morning than typical mornings. Testimony

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't begin until eleven am, but they will begin with

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<v Speaker 2>wrapping up that cross examination of Brianna Bunglin, and she

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<v Speaker 2>certainly had a lot to say yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why are they starting late today?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know. There were some procedural issues, but they

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<v Speaker 2>said they were starting late. And interestingly enough, the prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>is concerned about being behind schedule right now for their

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<v Speaker 2>big star witness that may take the stand later today.

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<v Speaker 2>Jane is the pseudonym she's using, but apparently she has

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<v Speaker 2>to catch an international flight a week from today and

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<v Speaker 2>they're worried that all these delays and even starting later

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<v Speaker 2>today might cause some problems for her and that flight.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, we see what happens there. But we got

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<v Speaker 3>another full day of testimony that's in the books now,

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<v Speaker 3>So let's go through what happened for everybody yesterday again.

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<v Speaker 3>As we sit here at this recording court is about

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<v Speaker 3>to get underway. So no testimony as of yet, as

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<v Speaker 3>of this moment, as of this recording. So as we've

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<v Speaker 3>been doing, we'll go through what a full day that's

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<v Speaker 3>already in the books. And yes, Brianna bongle In, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess the headline that kept coming out of that was

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<v Speaker 3>she was the of course X or friend of Ditty's

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<v Speaker 3>X cause EVENTU or fine And this incident wrotes we've

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<v Speaker 3>been hearing so much about. We got it first person.

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<v Speaker 3>Brianna Bonlein is the one that we've been hearing about.

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<v Speaker 3>Was dangled over a balcony by Diddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she says that Diddy bangles her off that seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>floor balcony. It was Cassie's La apartment, and she testified

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<v Speaker 2>to jurors indirect testimony and in cross examination that she

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<v Speaker 2>still does not know why it happened or what he

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<v Speaker 2>meant when he said as he was she said, he

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<v Speaker 2>was dangling her over that balcony. You know what the

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<v Speaker 2>f you did? She said that Diddy was saying this repeatedly,

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<v Speaker 2>yelling that at her, and to this day she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what he meant by it, but she said she

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<v Speaker 2>was shaking, she was so scared and when he finally

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<v Speaker 2>for those, she said ten to fifteen seconds she was

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<v Speaker 2>dangling over that balcony. He finished it by throwing her

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<v Speaker 2>against the patty of furniture. She says she sustained injuries

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<v Speaker 2>from that throw, and she says she still suffers, wakes

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<v Speaker 2>up screaming and is haunted by that moment, those fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>seconds where she said she felt like she might die.

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<v Speaker 3>And I really, folks a reminder. This was back in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty sixteen. She was staying at a case of interrofinance

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<v Speaker 3>house her apartment out in LA with another friend. They

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<v Speaker 3>heard the banging on the door and it was remarkable

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<v Speaker 3>for her to her first instinct was to tell her

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<v Speaker 3>friend to hide in the bathroom. She told a friend

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<v Speaker 3>to go in there and be quiet. So her friend

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<v Speaker 3>and her words wrote she she didn't want her to

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<v Speaker 3>be involved and be subject to some of the stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that she had witnessed, so she essentially just kept one

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<v Speaker 3>person out of it. She didn't want her to be

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<v Speaker 3>subjected to it. So the friend didn't see it. Cassie

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<v Speaker 3>venture Fine didn't see it, so really it was only

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<v Speaker 3>Ditty and Brianna Bongaling. Cassie Sell some of the aftermaths,

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<v Speaker 3>she said, But they're going after her in the cross examination,

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<v Speaker 3>at least, trying to poke holes in her story and robes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we've seen defense attorneys do this. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how effective it is, but little things she's she can't

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<v Speaker 3>recall correctly. She told one group that she was a

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutors that she was smoking a cigarette out there, but

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<v Speaker 3>it turns out on the stand she says she was

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<v Speaker 3>smoking weed. I know that seems minor, but point by

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<v Speaker 3>point they are going through and showing different ways that

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<v Speaker 3>she has not been accurate in her accounting of that story.

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<v Speaker 3>The point being well, if she got some of these

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<v Speaker 3>details wrong or she confused, what other details could she

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<v Speaker 3>possibly be getting wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right?

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<v Speaker 2>And she admitted on the stand that she had been

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<v Speaker 2>using cocaine and f actually talked a lot about the

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<v Speaker 2>drug use that she did with Cassie Ventura Fine and

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<v Speaker 2>with Ditty himself. She meant that they repeatedly and often

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<v Speaker 2>used marijuana, cocaine, ketamine, ecstasy, GHB. It was a long

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<v Speaker 2>list of drugs, and she said, look, we all had

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<v Speaker 2>a problem. Interestingly enough, she actually wanted to make a

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<v Speaker 2>distinction because This was something they also tried to poke

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<v Speaker 2>holes at. She said the prosecution, or at least the investigators,

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<v Speaker 2>got it wrong. They conflated to events. There was the

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<v Speaker 2>event she says that happened at Cassie Ventur's apartment where

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<v Speaker 2>she says Diddy dangled her over that balcony, But she

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<v Speaker 2>said previously, earlier in that year, in twenty sixteen, she

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<v Speaker 2>was on a photo shoot with Cassie Ventur Fine, and

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<v Speaker 2>she said Diddy came up to her, got right in

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<v Speaker 2>her face and said, I'm the devil and I could

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<v Speaker 2>kill you. She says that she doesn't know what prompted it,

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<v Speaker 2>but that that happened, that she was terrified, and even

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<v Speaker 2>though that all occurred, she claims she still continued to

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<v Speaker 2>see Sean Combs, she still continued to see Cassie Ventur.

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<v Speaker 1>She still continued to put herself.

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<v Speaker 2>In their world and around them, and that's what defense

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<v Speaker 2>attorneys were also trying to come at her similar to

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<v Speaker 2>what they did with me, And why would you keep

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<v Speaker 2>coming back? Why would you stay in the same vicinity

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<v Speaker 2>with someone who basically said that they were the devil

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<v Speaker 2>and could possibly kill you. And she just really didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a good answer for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, there was a lot of I don't remember, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't recall, I don't remember, I don't remember, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>That's effective where it can be, or is the reason

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<v Speaker 3>that defense attorneys do this, because if you can't remember

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<v Speaker 3>that part of the story, then maybe you're not remembering

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<v Speaker 3>the other part of the story. They did get at

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<v Speaker 3>her motivation. She does have a ten million dollar lawsuit

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<v Speaker 3>pending against Sean Diddy Combs right now. She her words,

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<v Speaker 3>she said, yes, I don't want the ten million. If

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<v Speaker 3>you would take this memory away, that's fine, and we understand,

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<v Speaker 3>but she is it is worth noting. But this is

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<v Speaker 3>the first time we have actually attached a name to it.

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<v Speaker 3>This story. We've heard about so many times about the

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<v Speaker 3>balcony situation. Cassie been ter refined had this in her lawsuit?

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<v Speaker 3>She said she asked. Brianna Bonglean says she was asked

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<v Speaker 3>by Cassie if she could put that in her lawsuit

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<v Speaker 3>aim and she said nope. So that's why we haven't

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<v Speaker 3>gotten the name yet. But she's another Robes that's under

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<v Speaker 3>an immunity deal and to be up there on the stand,

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<v Speaker 3>you can see why she talked about a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>drug use, even selling drugs at some point to people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she actually her testimony was delayed a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday because she had to wait for the judge to

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<v Speaker 2>give her that immunity order. And surely when she started testifying,

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<v Speaker 2>you could understand why. And she did say that cassievan

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<v Speaker 2>touurfind did put that incident, of course in her lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 2>she just wasn't allowed to name her. And so now

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, this is the first time we were actually

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<v Speaker 2>attaching a name to that incident that we've heard so

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<v Speaker 2>much about. So when she takes the stand, actually momentarily,

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<v Speaker 2>defense attorneys say they still have anywhere from forty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes to an hour left to cross examine her, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're still not done. We don't know what else they

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<v Speaker 2>want to try and say or do to discredit her.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's back up in the stand and she'll be

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<v Speaker 2>there for a little while. And because this is taking

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<v Speaker 2>longer than expected, we were initially expecting Enrique Santos to

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<v Speaker 2>take the stand after Breonna Bonglan is done today. He

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<v Speaker 2>was due to make an appearance to basically set up

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<v Speaker 2>the testimony for this Jane Doe character.

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<v Speaker 1>We've heard so much.

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<v Speaker 2>The third and potentially final alleged victim of Seawan Comb's,

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Doe is or was, excuse me, a girlfriend of

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Ditecombs, and she we believe was a part of

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<v Speaker 2>all of these freak offs, and she certainly says that

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<v Speaker 2>she too was abused, So so much anticipation about what

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<v Speaker 2>she's going to say, but unclear what Enrico Santas was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to to add to.

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<v Speaker 1>This or at least set her up.

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<v Speaker 2>We were told that perhaps he might be able to

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<v Speaker 2>explain some texts that the jury's about to see that

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<v Speaker 2>might shed some light into how you take Jane Doe's testimony,

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<v Speaker 2>but we don't know. Now. The prosecution saying it's going

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<v Speaker 2>so late and they're so concerned about Jane Doe's timeline

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't know if they can afford to put

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<v Speaker 2>Enrico Santos up on the witness stand.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's to be TVD.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's has always been fourth of July. I think

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<v Speaker 3>they were trying to wrap things up, and then the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecution was doing so great, We're head of schedule, and

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<v Speaker 3>now all of a sudden, we're behind schedule, and the

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<v Speaker 3>defense has already talked about they're reordering some of their

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<v Speaker 3>folks on their list. So we don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>from recent indications, if you're reading Teelee used July fourth

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<v Speaker 3>seems like a bit of a pipe dream. The judge

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<v Speaker 3>wants it though. The judge absolutely wants that date and

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<v Speaker 3>wants him to stick to it, and he's tried to

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<v Speaker 3>move things along at several places. But even if they

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<v Speaker 3>have thirty to forty five minutes, so much of the

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that has been taking so much time, as all

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<v Speaker 3>these sidebars. They got to send the jury out so

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<v Speaker 3>they can argue about something in the courtroom. And look,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a bunch of a man's life is on

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<v Speaker 3>the line, period, So I would argue, you take all

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<v Speaker 3>the time you need on this thing, but there have

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<v Speaker 3>been so many delays because of sidebars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The judge actually even said late yesterday, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that the jurors were loving us because they've been

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<v Speaker 2>wrapping up around three pm Eastern time each day. The

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<v Speaker 2>judge suggested that perhaps they could have the jury start

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<v Speaker 2>to stay later on the days when Jane Doe is

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<v Speaker 2>testifying when she's on the stand, but he said that

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<v Speaker 2>the late they could probably delay it to was four

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<v Speaker 2>pm tomorrow because of a scheduling issue, but we may

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<v Speaker 2>see longer days starting next week.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is actually a note. If Jane Doe actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Takes the stand today TJ and begins her testimony, they're

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<v Speaker 2>worried about her catching a flight a week from today.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hard to imagine that they think she might be

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<v Speaker 2>on the stand for that many days. That seems wild

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<v Speaker 2>to me because the most we've seen, how long did

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<v Speaker 2>Cassie testify for?

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<v Speaker 1>Three four days?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I think maybe twenty hours on the stand total

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<v Speaker 3>is what it was, but I think it went over

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<v Speaker 3>three days at least.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was they were on a stort deadline and

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<v Speaker 2>timeline with her because she was literally about to give birth,

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<v Speaker 2>so they were sensitive to her medical condition and tried

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<v Speaker 2>to speed things up. But that seems wild to me

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<v Speaker 2>that there was any concern on and maybe they're just posturing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that the prosecution was concerned that somehow

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<v Speaker 2>that would be an issue for her to catch this

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<v Speaker 2>flight next Thursday, but we shall see about that. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>of note, I wanted to bring this up because yesterday's

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<v Speaker 2>podcast I actually was wondering who recorded that surveillance video.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about how the surveillance video that was

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<v Speaker 2>so much a part of yesterday's testimony, how it was released,

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<v Speaker 2>how it got out. If Eddie Garcia, the security guard,

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<v Speaker 2>gave Ditty the only copy in that USB guard to

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<v Speaker 2>of the video, who recorded it on their cell phone.

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<v Speaker 2>You were saying, that was what happened. Someone recorded it

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<v Speaker 2>from their cell phone. Well we found out who it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was another security guard and the reason was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to give people grace, and I do, and

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<v Speaker 3>you caught up in the moment you're seeing this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But he said he only recorded it because he wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to show it to his wife. Now, this is an

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<v Speaker 3>issue here. Every single day we have a Ditty episode

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<v Speaker 3>of any kind, someone else comes up and you go, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>that was another person who saw crime take place and

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<v Speaker 3>did nothing. That's tough. They were just so we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about enablers, and we talk about people that were around Diddy,

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<v Speaker 3>but there are so many people outside of Ditty's world

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<v Speaker 3>who got a glimpse into it and had photographic video

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<v Speaker 3>evidence of it and did nothing. Some people got paid

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<v Speaker 3>off to not call the police and say we just

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<v Speaker 3>saw this man beat the shit out of this woman.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>These are these are tough. We're hearing more and more

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<v Speaker 3>of these stories. It's just that's and to think for

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<v Speaker 3>something as mundane and stupid as I just want to

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<v Speaker 3>show my wife, that's horrific. And I'm sorry to this

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<v Speaker 3>to the security guard. I don't know what your circumstances are.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what was going on at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just want to give people grace in a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>But that is it. A lot of this is tough

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<v Speaker 3>to get your head around.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about it yesterday because when that came

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<v Speaker 2>out that that was the reason.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, you know, here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it, and I wanted to tell my wife

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but I knew if I told my wife

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<v Speaker 2>what I saw, she wouldn't leave me. So I had

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<v Speaker 2>to have evidence proof for her to believe me that

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw Sean Diddycombs beating up his then girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>Cassie Vntura Fine, and that is the only reason. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't for money, it wasn't for protection or insurance, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what we were possibly thinking it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>simply to say, look what happened. It was voyeurism, and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing was done about a crime that clearly they both

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<v Speaker 2>witnessed watching and he was so excited to show his

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<v Speaker 2>wife what he saw. It makes you feel a little

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<v Speaker 2>sick to your stomach. And again not trying to judge anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just all of the of the people who

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<v Speaker 2>dropped the ball or made an excuse or had an

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<v Speaker 2>ulterior motive, or even maybe just the worst part of

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<v Speaker 2>you just came out and you thought, wow, this is

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<v Speaker 2>cool or fun. And people, you know, we all get

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<v Speaker 2>caught up in it with clickbait, watching other people suffer,

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<v Speaker 2>watching unspeakable acts and not recognizing the human toll and

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<v Speaker 2>the human costs and what our responsibility it is as

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<v Speaker 2>human beings to report it, to acknowledge it, to do

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<v Speaker 2>something about it, but not just to sit back and

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<v Speaker 2>either laugh at it or gawk at it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that was just for whatever reason that stood out

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<v Speaker 2>so much to me yesterday, and again not to throw

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<v Speaker 2>a stone, because all of us are guilty of it

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<v Speaker 2>in some way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 1>If we're watching, you know, it's like watching a train wreck.

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<v Speaker 2>People say they use that phrase all the time, but

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<v Speaker 2>this was just such an egregious example of it. It

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<v Speaker 2>just stood out and made it like there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>moments in this trial, sadly where you just feel sick

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<v Speaker 2>to your stomach and think about how let down so

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<v Speaker 2>many of these women were by the people who were

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<v Speaker 2>either closest to them or the people who had direct

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge of what was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>What they feared him. They feared for their lives, They

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<v Speaker 3>feared for their jobs and careers, they feared financially, they

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<v Speaker 3>feared You keep hearing people on the stand who are

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<v Speaker 3>around him, who were in his world, who worked for him,

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<v Speaker 3>say they feared him. These are now four extra people,

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<v Speaker 3>four people who weren't in his world, who who didn't

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<v Speaker 3>receive threats of violence from him over the years, who

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<v Speaker 3>weren't beaten. Who were These are four people who saw

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<v Speaker 3>video evidence of a horrific crime. They saw a woman

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<v Speaker 3>get beat and three of them took money not to

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<v Speaker 3>say something, and the other one went home to show

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<v Speaker 3>his wife and have the two of them just gawk

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<v Speaker 3>at it. This was eight years ago, and that's tough,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's just tough. And the guy the video, they

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<v Speaker 3>went through it. The jury saw it so much yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe we should all consider this. The jury saw

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<v Speaker 3>it a bunch because the prosecution had the video forensic

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<v Speaker 3>expert up there, going through frame by frame and explaining

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff. I think it was called tedious testimony,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was necessary testimony. Fine, But they saw a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch with the prosecution. And then the defense got up

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<v Speaker 3>and showed the video some more and frame by frame

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<v Speaker 3>and stopping it and stop. And the theory goes robes

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<v Speaker 3>is that you show it to the jury enough, they

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<v Speaker 3>might become desensitized to it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>You might get them to a point to where, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen that video and it stops being the horror

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<v Speaker 3>show that it is. That legal experts are looking at

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<v Speaker 3>it those two way. Yes, the prosecution wants to show

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<v Speaker 3>it to you right, just to burn it in your memory,

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe you want to show it so much? Are

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<v Speaker 3>we all now when that video pops up? Do we

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<v Speaker 3>look at it and just go, yeah, there it is again?

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<v Speaker 3>Do do we not get horrified every time anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, babe, I just got chills.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't even thought about that as a defense tactic,

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<v Speaker 2>and that makes me even feel worse. I Mean, we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this as journalists covering all of these school

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<v Speaker 2>shootings that at a certain point people do get desensitized.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh how many kids died? How many people died? And

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<v Speaker 2>then that makes it more important or less important.

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<v Speaker 3>How many people have done that high school shooting? Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>four dead? Okay, not a big deal, because we're used

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<v Speaker 3>to the fifteen in the twenties and the thirties and

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<v Speaker 3>all these shootings. Yeah, are you who if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 3>have you been guilty of that? Do we do that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It's just so much and everything seems

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<v Speaker 3>like a tragedy, and everything seemed horrific. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>We've become desensitized to monsters, even to a certain degree,

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<v Speaker 3>because we're used to so much bad behavior. I suppose

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know this one got me, and I'd say

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<v Speaker 3>it every day, like, oh, I didn't know this person

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<v Speaker 3>was in on it too. Oh I didn't know this

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<v Speaker 3>person saw it too. Man, A bunch of people could

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<v Speaker 3>have picked up the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what we say every time we cover

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<v Speaker 2>anything like a school shooting or anything that seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be repeated or happening over years, where people turn to

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<v Speaker 2>blind eye or got desensitized to it. We keep saying,

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<v Speaker 2>this time, people will wake up. This time, people will

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<v Speaker 2>act differently. This time, people will change how they feel

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<v Speaker 2>and react and really take note of these moments and say,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do better.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be better next time. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I'm hopeful.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll always try to remain hopeful that seeing and hearing

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening in that courtroom and seeing witness after witness

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<v Speaker 2>say basically the same thing, and hearing from a witness

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Sean detecombs himself, called himself the devil. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that there will be changes and people will

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<v Speaker 2>feel empowered to speak up and to speak out to

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<v Speaker 2>know that there can be justice. But it can't happen

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<v Speaker 2>unless people come forward. It can't happen unless you do

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<v Speaker 2>the hard thing and the right thing, and instead of

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<v Speaker 2>acting out of fear, you act out of love. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's a really hard thing to do, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>really hard switch to flip sometimes. But that is my takeaway,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope as we continue to watch this trial,

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<v Speaker 2>that can be more people's takeaways.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well, folks, we will continue to keep you

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<v Speaker 3>informed here Again. A later start to the day today

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<v Speaker 3>as we record this here on Thursday, June fifth, so

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<v Speaker 3>a later start as we record this, but it could

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<v Speaker 3>be a longer day in court. They could possibly go

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<v Speaker 3>a little longer. We'll update you on that tomorrow, but

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<v Speaker 3>for now, I'm TJ. Holmes alongside Amy will back my

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<v Speaker 3>party and you'll be kind each other, all right. Mtation,

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<v Speaker 3>the

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<v Speaker 1>Thetation, the detent