Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2: It is Thursday, June fifth, and the Didy trial is
Speaker 2: about to get underway once again. This is the fourth
Speaker 2: full week of testimony. I'm Amy Robock along with my
Speaker 2: partner TJ.
Speaker 3: Holmes.
Speaker 2: Starting a little later this morning than typical mornings. Testimony
Speaker 2: doesn't begin until eleven am, but they will begin with
Speaker 2: wrapping up that cross examination of Brianna Bunglin, and she
Speaker 2: certainly had a lot to say yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why are they starting late today?
Speaker 2: We don't know. There were some procedural issues, but they
Speaker 2: said they were starting late. And interestingly enough, the prosecution
Speaker 2: is concerned about being behind schedule right now for their
Speaker 2: big star witness that may take the stand later today.
Speaker 2: Jane is the pseudonym she's using, but apparently she has
Speaker 2: to catch an international flight a week from today and
Speaker 2: they're worried that all these delays and even starting later
Speaker 2: today might cause some problems for her and that flight.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we see what happens there. But we got
Speaker 3: another full day of testimony that's in the books now,
Speaker 3: So let's go through what happened for everybody yesterday again.
Speaker 3: As we sit here at this recording court is about
Speaker 3: to get underway. So no testimony as of yet, as
Speaker 3: of this moment, as of this recording. So as we've
Speaker 3: been doing, we'll go through what a full day that's
Speaker 3: already in the books. And yes, Brianna bongle In, I
Speaker 3: guess the headline that kept coming out of that was
Speaker 3: she was the of course X or friend of Ditty's
Speaker 3: X cause EVENTU or fine And this incident wrotes we've
Speaker 3: been hearing so much about. We got it first person.
Speaker 3: Brianna Bonlein is the one that we've been hearing about.
Speaker 3: Was dangled over a balcony by Diddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she says that Diddy bangles her off that seventeen
Speaker 2: floor balcony. It was Cassie's La apartment, and she testified
Speaker 2: to jurors indirect testimony and in cross examination that she
Speaker 2: still does not know why it happened or what he
Speaker 2: meant when he said as he was she said, he
Speaker 2: was dangling her over that balcony. You know what the
Speaker 2: f you did? She said that Diddy was saying this repeatedly,
Speaker 2: yelling that at her, and to this day she doesn't
Speaker 2: know what he meant by it, but she said she
Speaker 2: was shaking, she was so scared and when he finally
Speaker 2: for those, she said ten to fifteen seconds she was
Speaker 2: dangling over that balcony. He finished it by throwing her
Speaker 2: against the patty of furniture. She says she sustained injuries
Speaker 2: from that throw, and she says she still suffers, wakes
Speaker 2: up screaming and is haunted by that moment, those fifteen
Speaker 2: seconds where she said she felt like she might die.
Speaker 3: And I really, folks a reminder. This was back in
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. She was staying at a case of interrofinance
Speaker 3: house her apartment out in LA with another friend. They
Speaker 3: heard the banging on the door and it was remarkable
Speaker 3: for her to her first instinct was to tell her
Speaker 3: friend to hide in the bathroom. She told a friend
Speaker 3: to go in there and be quiet. So her friend
Speaker 3: and her words wrote she she didn't want her to
Speaker 3: be involved and be subject to some of the stuff
Speaker 3: that she had witnessed, so she essentially just kept one
Speaker 3: person out of it. She didn't want her to be
Speaker 3: subjected to it. So the friend didn't see it. Cassie
Speaker 3: venture Fine didn't see it, so really it was only
Speaker 3: Ditty and Brianna Bongaling. Cassie Sell some of the aftermaths,
Speaker 3: she said, But they're going after her in the cross examination,
Speaker 3: at least, trying to poke holes in her story and robes.
Speaker 2: This is what.
Speaker 3: Yes, we've seen defense attorneys do this. I don't know
Speaker 3: how effective it is, but little things she's she can't
Speaker 3: recall correctly. She told one group that she was a
Speaker 3: prosecutors that she was smoking a cigarette out there, but
Speaker 3: it turns out on the stand she says she was
Speaker 3: smoking weed. I know that seems minor, but point by
Speaker 3: point they are going through and showing different ways that
Speaker 3: she has not been accurate in her accounting of that story.
Speaker 3: The point being well, if she got some of these
Speaker 3: details wrong or she confused, what other details could she
Speaker 3: possibly be getting wrong?
Speaker 1: That's right?
Speaker 2: And she admitted on the stand that she had been
Speaker 2: using cocaine and f actually talked a lot about the
Speaker 2: drug use that she did with Cassie Ventura Fine and
Speaker 2: with Ditty himself. She meant that they repeatedly and often
Speaker 2: used marijuana, cocaine, ketamine, ecstasy, GHB. It was a long
Speaker 2: list of drugs, and she said, look, we all had
Speaker 2: a problem. Interestingly enough, she actually wanted to make a
Speaker 2: distinction because This was something they also tried to poke
Speaker 2: holes at. She said the prosecution, or at least the investigators,
Speaker 2: got it wrong. They conflated to events. There was the
Speaker 2: event she says that happened at Cassie Ventur's apartment where
Speaker 2: she says Diddy dangled her over that balcony, But she
Speaker 2: said previously, earlier in that year, in twenty sixteen, she
Speaker 2: was on a photo shoot with Cassie Ventur Fine, and
Speaker 2: she said Diddy came up to her, got right in
Speaker 2: her face and said, I'm the devil and I could
Speaker 2: kill you. She says that she doesn't know what prompted it,
Speaker 2: but that that happened, that she was terrified, and even
Speaker 2: though that all occurred, she claims she still continued to
Speaker 2: see Sean Combs, she still continued to see Cassie Ventur.
Speaker 1: She still continued to put herself.
Speaker 2: In their world and around them, and that's what defense
Speaker 2: attorneys were also trying to come at her similar to
Speaker 2: what they did with me, And why would you keep
Speaker 2: coming back? Why would you stay in the same vicinity
Speaker 2: with someone who basically said that they were the devil
Speaker 2: and could possibly kill you. And she just really didn't
Speaker 2: have a good answer for that.
Speaker 3: Look, there was a lot of I don't remember, I
Speaker 3: don't recall, I don't remember, I don't remember, I don't remember.
Speaker 3: That's effective where it can be, or is the reason
Speaker 3: that defense attorneys do this, because if you can't remember
Speaker 3: that part of the story, then maybe you're not remembering
Speaker 3: the other part of the story. They did get at
Speaker 3: her motivation. She does have a ten million dollar lawsuit
Speaker 3: pending against Sean Diddy Combs right now. She her words,
Speaker 3: she said, yes, I don't want the ten million. If
Speaker 3: you would take this memory away, that's fine, and we understand,
Speaker 3: but she is it is worth noting. But this is
Speaker 3: the first time we have actually attached a name to it.
Speaker 3: This story. We've heard about so many times about the
Speaker 3: balcony situation. Cassie been ter refined had this in her lawsuit?
Speaker 3: She said she asked. Brianna Bonglean says she was asked
Speaker 3: by Cassie if she could put that in her lawsuit
Speaker 3: aim and she said nope. So that's why we haven't
Speaker 3: gotten the name yet. But she's another Robes that's under
Speaker 3: an immunity deal and to be up there on the stand,
Speaker 3: you can see why she talked about a lot of
Speaker 3: drug use, even selling drugs at some point to people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she actually her testimony was delayed a little bit
Speaker 2: yesterday because she had to wait for the judge to
Speaker 2: give her that immunity order. And surely when she started testifying,
Speaker 2: you could understand why. And she did say that cassievan
Speaker 2: touurfind did put that incident, of course in her lawsuit,
Speaker 2: she just wasn't allowed to name her. And so now
Speaker 2: you're right, this is the first time we were actually
Speaker 2: attaching a name to that incident that we've heard so
Speaker 2: much about. So when she takes the stand, actually momentarily,
Speaker 2: defense attorneys say they still have anywhere from forty five
Speaker 2: minutes to an hour left to cross examine her, so
Speaker 2: they're still not done. We don't know what else they
Speaker 2: want to try and say or do to discredit her.
Speaker 2: But she's back up in the stand and she'll be
Speaker 2: there for a little while. And because this is taking
Speaker 2: longer than expected, we were initially expecting Enrique Santos to
Speaker 2: take the stand after Breonna Bonglan is done today. He
Speaker 2: was due to make an appearance to basically set up
Speaker 2: the testimony for this Jane Doe character.
Speaker 1: We've heard so much.
Speaker 2: The third and potentially final alleged victim of Seawan Comb's,
Speaker 2: Jane Doe is or was, excuse me, a girlfriend of
Speaker 2: Sean Ditecombs, and she we believe was a part of
Speaker 2: all of these freak offs, and she certainly says that
Speaker 2: she too was abused, So so much anticipation about what
Speaker 2: she's going to say, but unclear what Enrico Santas was
Speaker 2: going to be able to to add to.
Speaker 1: This or at least set her up.
Speaker 2: We were told that perhaps he might be able to
Speaker 2: explain some texts that the jury's about to see that
Speaker 2: might shed some light into how you take Jane Doe's testimony,
Speaker 2: but we don't know. Now. The prosecution saying it's going
Speaker 2: so late and they're so concerned about Jane Doe's timeline
Speaker 2: that they don't know if they can afford to put
Speaker 2: Enrico Santos up on the witness stand.
Speaker 1: So that's to be TVD.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's has always been fourth of July. I think
Speaker 3: they were trying to wrap things up, and then the
Speaker 3: prosecution was doing so great, We're head of schedule, and
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, we're behind schedule, and the
Speaker 3: defense has already talked about they're reordering some of their
Speaker 3: folks on their list. So we don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: from recent indications, if you're reading Teelee used July fourth
Speaker 3: seems like a bit of a pipe dream. The judge
Speaker 3: wants it though. The judge absolutely wants that date and
Speaker 3: wants him to stick to it, and he's tried to
Speaker 3: move things along at several places. But even if they
Speaker 3: have thirty to forty five minutes, so much of the
Speaker 3: stuff that has been taking so much time, as all
Speaker 3: these sidebars. They got to send the jury out so
Speaker 3: they can argue about something in the courtroom. And look,
Speaker 3: this is a bunch of a man's life is on
Speaker 3: the line, period, So I would argue, you take all
Speaker 3: the time you need on this thing, but there have
Speaker 3: been so many delays because of sidebars.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The judge actually even said late yesterday, I don't
Speaker 2: know that the jurors were loving us because they've been
Speaker 2: wrapping up around three pm Eastern time each day. The
Speaker 2: judge suggested that perhaps they could have the jury start
Speaker 2: to stay later on the days when Jane Doe is
Speaker 2: testifying when she's on the stand, but he said that
Speaker 2: the late they could probably delay it to was four
Speaker 2: pm tomorrow because of a scheduling issue, but we may
Speaker 2: see longer days starting next week.
Speaker 1: And this is actually a note. If Jane Doe actually.
Speaker 2: Takes the stand today TJ and begins her testimony, they're
Speaker 2: worried about her catching a flight a week from today.
Speaker 2: That's hard to imagine that they think she might be
Speaker 2: on the stand for that many days. That seems wild
Speaker 2: to me because the most we've seen, how long did
Speaker 2: Cassie testify for?
Speaker 1: Three four days?
Speaker 3: Maybe I think maybe twenty hours on the stand total
Speaker 3: is what it was, but I think it went over
Speaker 3: three days at least.
Speaker 2: And that was they were on a stort deadline and
Speaker 2: timeline with her because she was literally about to give birth,
Speaker 2: so they were sensitive to her medical condition and tried
Speaker 2: to speed things up. But that seems wild to me
Speaker 2: that there was any concern on and maybe they're just posturing.
Speaker 2: I don't know that the prosecution was concerned that somehow
Speaker 2: that would be an issue for her to catch this
Speaker 2: flight next Thursday, but we shall see about that. Also,
Speaker 2: of note, I wanted to bring this up because yesterday's
Speaker 2: podcast I actually was wondering who recorded that surveillance video.
Speaker 2: We were talking about how the surveillance video that was
Speaker 2: so much a part of yesterday's testimony, how it was released,
Speaker 2: how it got out. If Eddie Garcia, the security guard,
Speaker 2: gave Ditty the only copy in that USB guard to
Speaker 2: of the video, who recorded it on their cell phone.
Speaker 2: You were saying, that was what happened. Someone recorded it
Speaker 2: from their cell phone. Well we found out who it was.
Speaker 2: It was another security guard and the reason was kind
Speaker 2: of crazy.
Speaker 3: I like to give people grace, and I do, and
Speaker 3: you caught up in the moment you're seeing this thing.
Speaker 3: But he said he only recorded it because he wanted
Speaker 3: to show it to his wife. Now, this is an
Speaker 3: issue here. Every single day we have a Ditty episode
Speaker 3: of any kind, someone else comes up and you go, wow,
Speaker 3: that was another person who saw crime take place and
Speaker 3: did nothing. That's tough. They were just so we talk
Speaker 3: about enablers, and we talk about people that were around Diddy,
Speaker 3: but there are so many people outside of Ditty's world
Speaker 3: who got a glimpse into it and had photographic video
Speaker 3: evidence of it and did nothing. Some people got paid
Speaker 3: off to not call the police and say we just
Speaker 3: saw this man beat the shit out of this woman.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: These are these are tough. We're hearing more and more
Speaker 3: of these stories. It's just that's and to think for
Speaker 3: something as mundane and stupid as I just want to
Speaker 3: show my wife, that's horrific. And I'm sorry to this
Speaker 3: to the security guard. I don't know what your circumstances are.
Speaker 3: I don't know what was going on at the time,
Speaker 3: and I just want to give people grace in a moment.
Speaker 3: But that is it. A lot of this is tough
Speaker 3: to get your head around.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: We were talking about it yesterday because when that came
Speaker 2: out that that was the reason.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, here's the deal.
Speaker 2: I saw it, and I wanted to tell my wife
Speaker 2: about it, but I knew if I told my wife
Speaker 2: what I saw, she wouldn't leave me. So I had
Speaker 2: to have evidence proof for her to believe me that
Speaker 2: I just saw Sean Diddycombs beating up his then girlfriend
Speaker 2: Cassie Vntura Fine, and that is the only reason. It
Speaker 2: wasn't for money, it wasn't for protection or insurance, which
Speaker 2: is what we were possibly thinking it was. It was
Speaker 2: simply to say, look what happened. It was voyeurism, and yes,
Speaker 2: nothing was done about a crime that clearly they both
Speaker 2: witnessed watching and he was so excited to show his
Speaker 2: wife what he saw. It makes you feel a little
Speaker 2: sick to your stomach. And again not trying to judge anyone,
Speaker 2: but it's just all of the of the people who
Speaker 2: dropped the ball or made an excuse or had an
Speaker 2: ulterior motive, or even maybe just the worst part of
Speaker 2: you just came out and you thought, wow, this is
Speaker 2: cool or fun. And people, you know, we all get
Speaker 2: caught up in it with clickbait, watching other people suffer,
Speaker 2: watching unspeakable acts and not recognizing the human toll and
Speaker 2: the human costs and what our responsibility it is as
Speaker 2: human beings to report it, to acknowledge it, to do
Speaker 2: something about it, but not just to sit back and
Speaker 2: either laugh at it or gawk at it. And I
Speaker 2: think that was just for whatever reason that stood out
Speaker 2: so much to me yesterday, and again not to throw
Speaker 2: a stone, because all of us are guilty of it
Speaker 2: in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: If we're watching, you know, it's like watching a train wreck.
Speaker 2: People say they use that phrase all the time, but
Speaker 2: this was just such an egregious example of it. It
Speaker 2: just stood out and made it like there's so many
Speaker 2: moments in this trial, sadly where you just feel sick
Speaker 2: to your stomach and think about how let down so
Speaker 2: many of these women were by the people who were
Speaker 2: either closest to them or the people who had direct
Speaker 2: knowledge of what was happening.
Speaker 3: What they feared him. They feared for their lives, They
Speaker 3: feared for their jobs and careers, they feared financially, they
Speaker 3: feared You keep hearing people on the stand who are
Speaker 3: around him, who were in his world, who worked for him,
Speaker 3: say they feared him. These are now four extra people,
Speaker 3: four people who weren't in his world, who who didn't
Speaker 3: receive threats of violence from him over the years, who
Speaker 3: weren't beaten. Who were These are four people who saw
Speaker 3: video evidence of a horrific crime. They saw a woman
Speaker 3: get beat and three of them took money not to
Speaker 3: say something, and the other one went home to show
Speaker 3: his wife and have the two of them just gawk
Speaker 3: at it. This was eight years ago, and that's tough,
Speaker 3: and that's just tough. And the guy the video, they
Speaker 3: went through it. The jury saw it so much yesterday
Speaker 3: and maybe we should all consider this. The jury saw
Speaker 3: it a bunch because the prosecution had the video forensic
Speaker 3: expert up there, going through frame by frame and explaining
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff. I think it was called tedious testimony,
Speaker 3: but it was necessary testimony. Fine, But they saw a
Speaker 3: bunch with the prosecution. And then the defense got up
Speaker 3: and showed the video some more and frame by frame
Speaker 3: and stopping it and stop. And the theory goes robes
Speaker 3: is that you show it to the jury enough, they
Speaker 3: might become desensitized to it.
Speaker 1: That's terrible.
Speaker 3: You might get them to a point to where, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we've seen that video and it stops being the horror
Speaker 3: show that it is. That legal experts are looking at
Speaker 3: it those two way. Yes, the prosecution wants to show
Speaker 3: it to you right, just to burn it in your memory,
Speaker 3: But maybe you want to show it so much? Are
Speaker 3: we all now when that video pops up? Do we
Speaker 3: look at it and just go, yeah, there it is again?
Speaker 3: Do do we not get horrified every time anymore?
Speaker 1: I don't know, babe, I just got chills.
Speaker 2: I hadn't even thought about that as a defense tactic,
Speaker 2: and that makes me even feel worse. I Mean, we've
Speaker 2: talked about this as journalists covering all of these school
Speaker 2: shootings that at a certain point people do get desensitized.
Speaker 2: Oh how many kids died? How many people died? And
Speaker 2: then that makes it more important or less important.
Speaker 3: How many people have done that high school shooting? Oh,
Speaker 3: four dead? Okay, not a big deal, because we're used
Speaker 3: to the fifteen in the twenties and the thirties and
Speaker 3: all these shootings. Yeah, are you who if you're listening,
Speaker 3: have you been guilty of that? Do we do that?
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just so much and everything seems
Speaker 3: like a tragedy, and everything seemed horrific. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: We've become desensitized to monsters, even to a certain degree,
Speaker 3: because we're used to so much bad behavior. I suppose
Speaker 3: I don't know this one got me, and I'd say
Speaker 3: it every day, like, oh, I didn't know this person
Speaker 3: was in on it too. Oh I didn't know this
Speaker 3: person saw it too. Man, A bunch of people could
Speaker 3: have picked up the phone.
Speaker 2: And you know what we say every time we cover
Speaker 2: anything like a school shooting or anything that seems to
Speaker 2: be repeated or happening over years, where people turn to
Speaker 2: blind eye or got desensitized to it. We keep saying,
Speaker 2: this time, people will wake up. This time, people will
Speaker 2: act differently. This time, people will change how they feel
Speaker 2: and react and really take note of these moments and say,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do better.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be better next time. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I was. I'm hopeful.
Speaker 2: I'll always try to remain hopeful that seeing and hearing
Speaker 2: what's happening in that courtroom and seeing witness after witness
Speaker 2: say basically the same thing, and hearing from a witness
Speaker 2: saying that Sean detecombs himself, called himself the devil. You know,
Speaker 2: I hope that there will be changes and people will
Speaker 2: feel empowered to speak up and to speak out to
Speaker 2: know that there can be justice. But it can't happen
Speaker 2: unless people come forward. It can't happen unless you do
Speaker 2: the hard thing and the right thing, and instead of
Speaker 2: acting out of fear, you act out of love. And
Speaker 2: that's a really hard thing to do, and it's a
Speaker 2: really hard switch to flip sometimes. But that is my takeaway,
Speaker 2: and I hope as we continue to watch this trial,
Speaker 2: that can be more people's takeaways.
Speaker 3: All right, well, folks, we will continue to keep you
Speaker 3: informed here Again. A later start to the day today
Speaker 3: as we record this here on Thursday, June fifth, so
Speaker 3: a later start as we record this, but it could
Speaker 3: be a longer day in court. They could possibly go
Speaker 3: a little longer. We'll update you on that tomorrow, but
Speaker 3: for now, I'm TJ. Holmes alongside Amy will back my
Speaker 3: party and you'll be kind each other, all right. Mtation,
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