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Speaker 2: note here we recorded this before the DC Slate announcement,
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Speaker 2: films don't mention the new projects. But we will be
Speaker 2: answering those questions in a future episode. And in that
Speaker 2: out we have a really awesome segment from Sarah talking
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it with the huge announcement from James Gunn,
Speaker 1: co CEO of DC Studios, with the announcement of the
Speaker 1: DC Slate. James Gunn, the recently appointed co CEO of
Speaker 1: DC Studios, revealed the upcoming slate of DC comics, movies,
Speaker 1: and shows, and also did a bunch of interviews for
Speaker 1: the big industry publications. And let's get into it. First
Speaker 1: of all, the We're All strategy is the thing that
Speaker 1: I think DC fans comic fans have been wanting for
Speaker 1: a while, which is unify all of these kind of
Speaker 1: like disparate story spaces and make one coherent, cohesive story
Speaker 1: in which all the characters are the same characters played
Speaker 1: by the same actors. And that includes interestingly, characters who
Speaker 1: are going to voice characters on the animation side are
Speaker 1: also going to be the same actors who play them
Speaker 1: in live action and in cases where things are happening
Speaker 1: outside of that continuity, like the sequel to Matt Reeves's
Speaker 1: Batman and the end Matt Reeves Batman itself, like the
Speaker 1: Joker movie you.
Speaker 2: Teen Titans Go. I was so happy that they were.
Speaker 2: They were like, Teen Titans Go is an Elsewaldz project. Guys,
Speaker 2: it's not going anyway. And I was like, that's.
Speaker 1: God, well, it's funny to me, like like it was,
Speaker 1: you know it. It kind of made me chuckle a
Speaker 1: little bit because it was like and then things like
Speaker 1: you know, matt ings his Batman Joker to the Joker
Speaker 1: Empty exactly.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, at least they know it's valuable.
Speaker 2: And also I'm happy because I feel like everyone for
Speaker 2: a lot, we've all been asking for an elseworld's slate,
Speaker 2: and I actually think it's really clever to use it
Speaker 2: for stuff that already exists, rather than what we've all
Speaker 2: kind of assumed, which is you would create your else
Speaker 2: worlds outside of him already existing DC universe. I thought
Speaker 2: that was really smart. Also, I just want to say
Speaker 2: I really like this choice to bring people over from
Speaker 2: animation into live action. And also, as Gunn said, he's
Speaker 2: hoping that that can cross over to gaming, because I
Speaker 2: think it shows something about Gun that I think hints
Speaker 2: a really massive promise of success. He already knows what
Speaker 2: DC does well.
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan's who This is part of the lineage of
Speaker 1: DC is animation to lie.
Speaker 2: Exactly because Matt Ryan, who is such a brilliant Constantine
Speaker 2: who I still believe should get his chance to do
Speaker 2: his serious R rated Constantine from the CW shows. He
Speaker 2: voiced Constant in the later animated series and it was
Speaker 2: such a good continuity and it made people so excited
Speaker 2: to think it was the same character, and that was
Speaker 2: just a small kind of niche TV audience. So it's
Speaker 2: going to be really exciting to see them continue that on.
Speaker 2: And even in those CW shows, they tested this idea
Speaker 2: of introducing a character in animation like Fixen and then
Speaker 2: bringing them over. So I'm really excited to see that
Speaker 2: done in a much more expansive way that's not just
Speaker 2: little YouTube shorts to TV.
Speaker 1: I totally feel the same way. Let's get into the
Speaker 1: slate itself wild starting with the existing project. So Gun
Speaker 1: was was very praiseful of the Slate. That is kind
Speaker 1: of like that they that they inherited essentially saying, you know,
Speaker 1: Peter and I got really lucky with these yeah movies.
Speaker 1: So we start with Shazam Fury of the Gods. So
Speaker 1: obviously bedtime. It was Zachary Levi's recent tweets, which he addressed,
Speaker 1: but this kind of puts to any idea that that
Speaker 1: Shazam is outside of the DCEU, And he kind of said,
Speaker 1: you know, Shazama has always kind of been doing his
Speaker 1: own thing, like even in the comics, she Sam's kind
Speaker 1: of like separated from a normal continuity, but will be
Speaker 1: part of the DCU. Yeah, so that puts threats in
Speaker 1: any country.
Speaker 2: I find this very interesting though, because, like so they
Speaker 2: said this will lead directly into the Flash, which will
Speaker 2: then reset the DC universe. So I do think that's
Speaker 2: a bit of an out for them to get rid
Speaker 2: of anything they don't want. Everyone knows I'm a big
Speaker 2: Shazam movie fan. I'm not a big fan of what
Speaker 2: Zachary Levy was saying online, but I do think like
Speaker 2: the Shazamiie, Mary, Marvel, all those other kids, I would
Speaker 2: love to see them continue in the DC universe, even
Speaker 2: if that's not necessarily something that we see for the
Speaker 2: main Billy Batson Shazam character. I mean, who doesn't want
Speaker 2: Megan Good in the in the DCU I do. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's gonna go directly into the flash, which again me
Speaker 2: and Jason have been saying for a long time, is
Speaker 2: it gonna come out? I still don't believe it.
Speaker 1: It really feels like it's gone.
Speaker 2: It's gonna come out, Okay.
Speaker 1: So important connective tissue here is, you know, Zachary Levi
Speaker 1: of course came out as strongly ANTIVACS and people were
Speaker 1: sharing his his Rogan clip in which he is like
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson man, that guy gets it.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't correct Vergan dead names a Missgender's Elliott page.
Speaker 2: So there's a law and negative and so a lot.
Speaker 1: Of negative stuff and this was getting reshared and people
Speaker 1: are like, oh my gosh, I believe I'm not good now.
Speaker 1: James Gunn did address this essentially saying, well, I'll quote
Speaker 1: him here. Actors filmmakers that I work with are going
Speaker 1: to say things that I agree with and things that
Speaker 1: I don't agree with. I can't be changing my plans
Speaker 1: all the time because the actor says something that I
Speaker 1: don't agree with, then saying something that is clearly meant
Speaker 1: to address any Flash issues and Ezra Miller issues. He
Speaker 1: continued at the same token, if someone is doing something
Speaker 1: that is morally reprehensible, that's a different story, and we
Speaker 1: have to take that into account. So I think a
Speaker 1: very measured statement. We can disagree. I think, listen, I
Speaker 1: strongly disagree with everything, exactlyly I but I said at
Speaker 1: the same time, I'm not married to a movie franchise
Speaker 1: with millions of dollars of outstanding billings left there and
Speaker 1: all the kind of legal contractual bindings that occur. So
Speaker 1: as the head of the studio, I get it. The
Speaker 1: change Gun has statement, he has to he has to
Speaker 1: be like, listen, I can't police every comment that everybody makes.
Speaker 2: I personally, I personally believe it's very interesting to say like,
Speaker 2: if something's morally reprehensible and then lead into the Flash
Speaker 2: and be like it's the greatest movie ever, because I
Speaker 2: feel like we clearly.
Speaker 1: Know that those things clearly a comment.
Speaker 2: So the Flash movie, which is going to become directly
Speaker 2: off to Shazam, and they say Shazam is going to
Speaker 2: connect to that's going to reset the entire DC universe.
Speaker 2: I think, as we know that means that gives them
Speaker 2: a choice to get rid of Ezra, to introduce a
Speaker 2: Wally West Flash, to get rid of the parts of
Speaker 2: the old DCEU that they don't want, and start off
Speaker 2: with a crisis or a flash point that will lay
Speaker 2: the groundwork for where the new DCU starts.
Speaker 1: That's right, and so the Flash June sixteenth, which Gun
Speaker 1: referred to in a in a comment, I think to
Speaker 1: Variety during the scrum, probably one of the greatest superhero
Speaker 1: movie he's ever made. So listen, there's an element of
Speaker 1: he has to say that, but he did say it's it.
Speaker 2: And also, I feel like Mike dut says, I think
Speaker 2: at one point the director of The Flash, Annie Mische,
Speaker 2: who's been working on this movie for years, I think
Speaker 2: he was probably promised the keys to the dc Kingdom
Speaker 2: with this movie. This was meant to be the big
Speaker 2: cohesive restart movie. And I think that people are feeling
Speaker 2: very generous to him for the work that he has
Speaker 2: done and the time that he's put into this movie.
Speaker 2: And I hope it really is that great, and I
Speaker 2: person like, I hope that Ezra's just gone at the
Speaker 2: beginning and then they're like, hey, it's Weally Wes, do
Speaker 2: you love him? He's great, but yeah, I'm fine. Out
Speaker 2: to be a very interesting comment I'm hearing. Apparently it
Speaker 2: did test very well, so that will be interesting. And
Speaker 2: one of the things that I found very interesting is
Speaker 2: they then said, well, next movie is Blue Beetle, and
Speaker 2: that will not be connected to the Flash or any
Speaker 2: previous DCU. That is Blue Beetle is where you begin
Speaker 2: with this new DCU. And he even said that the
Speaker 2: character Blue Beetle, who I love and I'm really excited
Speaker 2: to see, you know, the kid from Cobra Kai who's
Speaker 2: so brilliant, the kid who plays mcguel take on that role.
Speaker 2: And James said that character Blue Beetle is going to
Speaker 2: be a big part of the DCU going forward, which
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense when we get to one
Speaker 2: of our new announcements, which is a character who's very
Speaker 2: heavily connected to Blue Beetle.
Speaker 1: And then Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom December twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: Saffran said in interviews after the announcem meant Jason always
Speaker 1: saw Aquaman as a trilogy, and which Gun added, I
Speaker 1: will say, we don't have an actor playing two different roles.
Speaker 1: This is this is in uh as an answer to
Speaker 1: the rumor that Momo could play Lobo when he's done
Speaker 1: playing Aquaman. I'm sure that will probably happen.
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense, but it will be
Speaker 2: when he's done. And something that I was very excited
Speaker 2: about as number one Aquaman and James Wan and Jason
Speaker 2: Momoa fan they said something here that I found very interesting.
Speaker 2: At one point it seemed like Aquaman was going to
Speaker 2: be like the step child of this this four and
Speaker 2: this was going to be the outside. But James specifically
Speaker 2: said that Aquaman will lead directly into their first proper
Speaker 2: DCU movie, which is Superman Legacy. So that is incredibly
Speaker 2: exciting to me that they see Aquaman as a direct
Speaker 2: line into that decas I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess the question then is, you know, with they've
Speaker 1: cut the cored on all of the kind of legacy
Speaker 1: projects except for Aquaman, which is going to be the
Speaker 1: string that kind of leads into this. They're saying, but
Speaker 1: when the Flash, and we're assuming here that the Flash
Speaker 1: basically flashpoints and kills everything, it resets the entire universe,
Speaker 1: does that mean that Moha Moa as Aquaman is reset
Speaker 1: as well, and then he can then do lower because
Speaker 1: it seems pretty something. It seems pretty definitive that Gunn
Speaker 1: is saying like if you played Aquaman, you cannot then
Speaker 1: go and play another character. But if that character and
Speaker 1: continuity is gone wiped away, can it then happen?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And clear very interesting, especially as Aquaman comes out
Speaker 2: at December twenty fifth, so off the flashpoints, so it's
Speaker 2: going to be very interesting to see. I feel like
Speaker 2: one of the threads between Aquaman and The Flash had
Speaker 2: been this Michael Keaton appearance that had been like very
Speaker 2: heavily rumored that apparently got taken away. Then they brought
Speaker 2: in Ben Affleck. Now Ben Afflecks not in it. I
Speaker 2: feel like a Michael Keaton, uh Batman eighty nine thread
Speaker 2: between those movies feels very James gunnish and like you
Speaker 2: could still have that kind of time traveling future past
Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne to kind of tie these things together. But
Speaker 2: I'll be very interested to see how this happens. I'm
Speaker 2: just really glad that James C's Aquaman as a direct
Speaker 2: kind of lineage to the Superman movie, which gets us
Speaker 2: to these kind of what they're calling Chapter one gods
Speaker 2: and monsters and.
Speaker 1: Right, so this is there there phase one in which
Speaker 1: the introduce our heroes and our villains.
Speaker 2: And James said, this is just some but not all
Speaker 2: of the projects. So this is the first This is
Speaker 2: the first wave that they got okay to announce basically.
Speaker 1: So we start with Creature Commandos, which is James Gunn
Speaker 1: written animated series, seven episode animated series that will feature
Speaker 1: the same characters who are playing the characters featured in
Speaker 1: this and live action voicing the characters in this. Yes,
Speaker 1: such as Amanda Wa this is like played by.
Speaker 2: This is such I will say, I don't think that's
Speaker 2: the case. I think that I think my understanding is
Speaker 2: it's going to be that they had a great still
Speaker 2: from the video of the Creature Commandos and it's basically
Speaker 2: in the comics. It's like from Weird War and it's
Speaker 2: a World War two team and it's basically all the
Speaker 2: Universal monsters scratch out Universal. So you have a Frankenstein,
Speaker 2: a Dracula they look like in the new Team. They
Speaker 2: also have like a bride Frankenstein and a a kind
Speaker 2: of creature from the backa Zone inspired by Abe Sapien.
Speaker 2: So I think this is going to be that Monsters
Speaker 2: fighting nazis really taken directly from their JMD Mitteus and
Speaker 2: Pat Broderick stuff. That is just one of those weird
Speaker 2: deep cut DC things. Interestingly, this is already in production,
Speaker 2: so I assume that this is a passion project of
Speaker 2: guns that was probably already in play before this ever
Speaker 2: came into Also Animated.
Speaker 1: You just do the voices and then exactly it's four
Speaker 1: years to do, so, do the beautiful anima to the cartoons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then we go to Waller. This will star Viola Davis.
Speaker 1: This is a TV series that spins off from a
Speaker 1: Peacemaker written by Crystal Henry, who was part of the
Speaker 1: writing team behind Watchmen on HBO Max and Jeremy Carver
Speaker 1: from Supernatural. And this is essentially going to be Peacemaker
Speaker 1: season two.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think originally it had come out saying
Speaker 2: this is going to kind of be peace Maker season two.
Speaker 2: But I think what James is saying now is this
Speaker 2: is going to be the holding pattern between peace Maker
Speaker 2: two because everybody's really busy. But I think that we
Speaker 2: can say it's it's spiritually peace Maker season two because
Speaker 2: it's going to have Team Peacemaker in it. It's going
Speaker 2: to be Viola playing Waller, which is really exciting, and
Speaker 2: we're going to see those peace Maker characters come back.
Speaker 2: The centering of the stories just going to focus onto
Speaker 2: Amanda Walla, who I think is one of the most
Speaker 2: interesting DC characters, and I think they're very smart to
Speaker 2: kind of focus heavily on her and her legacy as
Speaker 2: the leader of the Suicide Squad is the kind of
Speaker 2: person behind Peacemaker, So I think that would be really
Speaker 2: interesting and I'm sure it will be a huge smash it,
Speaker 2: just like peace Maker.
Speaker 1: Was next up, and this is I would put this
Speaker 1: under the category of we were right.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Now, we've been calling for an all star Superman take
Speaker 1: on Superman to kind of reset all the gritty like
Speaker 1: jaw clenching, mass destruction depiction of Superman and Man of
Speaker 1: Steel and the Snyder verse, and I think this description
Speaker 1: of Superman legacy, written by James Gunn, is the thing
Speaker 1: that we'll do that. Saffran says, it's not an Orangin
Speaker 1: story focuses on Superman balancing his Kryptonian heritage with his
Speaker 1: human upbringing. He's the embodiment of truth justice in the
Speaker 1: American way. He's kindness in a world that thinks kindness
Speaker 1: as old fashioned. This sounds a lot like All starstr Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you go to this video, which is funny
Speaker 2: because I read all of this news in the trade
Speaker 2: because obviously the trades are great. Yeah, and that was
Speaker 2: where they had the big news, and DC dot Com
Speaker 2: had some great news. But I will say that if
Speaker 2: you look at the video, you get a little bit
Speaker 2: of extra information. And you talked about All Star Superman.
Speaker 2: The image we get when they show this and when
Speaker 2: James is talking about this is Frank quietly and it's
Speaker 2: Superman sitting up above looking over Metropolis, you know. And
Speaker 2: I saw another really great quote from Gun that made
Speaker 2: me really feel like he understands what you need in
Speaker 2: a Superman story where he said he's just like a
Speaker 2: big old fashioned galut and like his I love this
Speaker 2: idea that James said, which was his greatest weaknesses. He
Speaker 2: will never care somebody, And I just think that is
Speaker 2: like the best thing you have, the most powerful, godlike
Speaker 2: person on earth. But their ultimate weakness is they can't
Speaker 2: do the thing that every villain will do. That to me.
Speaker 1: There's also the symbolism of this announcement coming out on
Speaker 1: Grant Morrison's birthday.
Speaker 3: Feel absolutely not just that, because this is not the
Speaker 3: only is the This is like the fans saying, oh,
Speaker 3: it's probably inspired by Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly's All Star.
Speaker 2: Superman, but later on we get an announcement where they
Speaker 2: say this is directly based on Grant Morrison's spoiler alert,
Speaker 2: which we're talking in a minute. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: this is really exciting. I I know it's going to
Speaker 2: be young Superman, but I really still one of my
Speaker 2: greatest wishes is that in the else world's like Matt
Speaker 2: Reeves world, I think you could have such a good
Speaker 2: Channing Tatum Superman, who is the Superman to Robert Pattinson's Batman,
Speaker 2: and you make that movie and it is as bright
Speaker 2: and cheery and funny as that Batman movie is dark. Like,
Speaker 2: I feel like Channing Tatum is He's coming up more
Speaker 2: and more in my superhero casting because I just think
Speaker 2: he's such a great comedic actor. And obviously I love
Speaker 2: Magic Mic, but like, yeah, the Mic verse. I can't
Speaker 2: wait for Magic MIC's Last Dance. Magic Mic XXL one
Speaker 2: of my all time Ferreite movies. If you haven't seen it,
Speaker 2: go watch it. It's like an unbelievable treatise on male friendship,
Speaker 2: just absolutely wonderful. But yeah, Superman Legacy, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a young Superman. And this begins what James says, like,
Speaker 2: so Waller and Creach Commandos, I think those were in
Speaker 2: production before, and James says they're kind of the soft launch,
Speaker 2: But Superman Legacy is boom. You're in the new DCU now,
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be in twenty twenty five, so you're
Speaker 2: kind of getting a scope for where we're headed and
Speaker 2: when we'll really be seeing that massive boom of DC projects,
Speaker 2: which will be continued by Lanterns, which they're kind of
Speaker 2: selling as this huge, massive TV event on HBO Max
Speaker 2: that's gonna teams John Stewart and How Jordan, which is exciting.
Speaker 1: Single actic detectives, space cups on Earth. They're they're saying
Speaker 1: that it's it's essentially kind of going to be like
Speaker 1: a true detective relationships story about these two very different Lanterns.
Speaker 1: Now Listen, I don't love I'm not a fan of
Speaker 1: space cars yea the.
Speaker 2: Exciting version of Green Lantern, But I do like true detective.
Speaker 1: I love and I love the fact that how you
Speaker 1: get Hal and John together, which is really and I.
Speaker 2: Would love I want to see a world where they
Speaker 2: even though I get it it's like Space Cops, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a great grittier I still think one
Speaker 2: of the most interesting things about John Stewart is that
Speaker 2: he was originally like an architect, which is the best
Speaker 2: power you could ever like, the best life you could
Speaker 2: ever have before being a green lantern. So I would
Speaker 2: love to see some of that brought in. And they
Speaker 2: I think that if you're wondering what the DCU is
Speaker 2: going to be about, this is the show that you
Speaker 2: need to watch, because they say this plays a really
Speaker 2: big role in leading into the main story we're telling
Speaker 2: across film and TV when the pair will discover like
Speaker 2: a terrifying mystery that ties into the kind of larger story.
Speaker 2: So that's very interesting. I wonder what it would be
Speaker 2: because True Detective I think of, like the first season Cults.
Speaker 2: I think of like this really intimate, gritty serial killer story.
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of wondering. I mean, look, I did
Speaker 2: just have a terrible idea. I'm sure there's not what
Speaker 2: it's gonna be, but in my head, I'm like, when
Speaker 2: you think about murder mystery, and you think about DC universe,
Speaker 2: you think about identity crisis, and I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: think maybe I don't necessarily know if that's what it's
Speaker 2: gonna be, And if it was, I trust James Suicide Squad.
Speaker 2: I still I will tell you, guys, if you're not
Speaker 2: sure about this James Gun universe, go and watch that movie.
Speaker 2: It is so subversive and cool and the performances that
Speaker 2: he gets out of this unbelievable cast. There's a Tiger
Speaker 2: Why two minute cameo that will break your heart, like
Speaker 2: it's so good, and I would I would trust the
Speaker 2: person who made Suicide Squad to oversee an identity crisis
Speaker 2: that is not so as problematic as the original.
Speaker 1: So for those for those who are not versed in
Speaker 1: identity crisis, it's on the most basic level, it's about
Speaker 1: a mind a memory wiping scheme that causes various characters,
Speaker 1: villains and heroes to maybe not actually know who they
Speaker 1: are and the things that did the various characters go
Speaker 1: through to uncover you know what's at the bottom of
Speaker 1: this Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: It centers around like a what appears to be like
Speaker 2: a murder mystery. And it's written by Brad Meltzer, who
Speaker 2: is a murder mystery writer, and Rags Morales did the art.
Speaker 2: When this book came out, I actually, like, really did
Speaker 2: love it. I was very young, and I loved the
Speaker 2: murder mysteries. It has some less than appealing treatment of
Speaker 2: women and depictions of men health. But I do wonder
Speaker 2: if some kind of multiversal or superheroic murder mystery that
Speaker 2: changes the way superhero see themselves could potentially be at
Speaker 2: the core of what they're doing. I think there's a
Speaker 2: chance that we could see a version of that. And
Speaker 2: then we talked about identity crisis, which seems wild if
Speaker 2: you know it, but we're about to say the wildest
Speaker 2: thing that got announced, Oh.
Speaker 1: The wildest, truly, the wildest kind of a storm of wildness,
Speaker 1: could say. So they're bringing in they're bringing the DC
Speaker 1: imprint wild Storm story and team the Authority into DC
Speaker 1: continuity proper. Here's Saffarn on the Authority. They're kind of
Speaker 1: like Jack Nicholson and a few good men. They know
Speaker 1: what you want, They want you on that wall, or
Speaker 1: at least they believe that. So the Authority was kind
Speaker 1: of like a very a very very late nineties, early
Speaker 1: two thousands take on superheroes, super violent superhero those who will.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a bid to bring a
Speaker 1: kind of Justice League pastiche into the kind of like
Speaker 1: into modern pop storytelling, much like you know Marvel's Ultimate
Speaker 1: Universe and the Ultimates. It's very kind of kind of
Speaker 1: a similar kind of vein.
Speaker 2: It's really good that you bring up the Ultimates. So
Speaker 2: I would say the Authority, I'm gonna I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: it out there because this is the kind of stuff
Speaker 2: we talk about. It was so I love Jim Lee.
Speaker 2: Jim Ley founded this imprint, Wild Storm, part of Image Comics,
Speaker 2: one of the original six studios it had. It was
Speaker 2: called Wildstorm. This is like the sweetest thing. I think
Speaker 2: about it all the time because the two main books
Speaker 2: were wild Cats and Stormwatch. Very cute, Jimly. I love
Speaker 2: that storm Watch basically evolved into the Authority under the
Speaker 2: authorship of Warren Ellis who recently, over the last few years,
Speaker 2: a lot of people within the comics community came out
Speaker 2: on a website called so Many of Us that you
Speaker 2: could read and talked about how they had experienced I
Speaker 2: will say alleged for legal reasons, like alleged abusive and
Speaker 2: manipulative relationships with Ellis.
Speaker 1: So I think that's really.
Speaker 2: Important because to bring up just because the Authority put
Speaker 2: him on the map, and this was really the book
Speaker 2: that gave him the celebrity status that would later lead
Speaker 2: to those conversations. But what I will say is you
Speaker 2: bore the Ultimate Universe. This book was created by Warren
Speaker 2: Ellis and Brian Hitch. The second volume was made by
Speaker 2: Mark Miller, and this gritty, grounded, violent take was then
Speaker 2: taken by Miller and Brian Hitch and they created the
Speaker 2: Automate Universe, and the Automate Universe went on to create
Speaker 2: and inspire the MCU as we know it. So the
Speaker 2: Authority has like a massive, massive impact and legacy, but
Speaker 2: it is so it's not as grotesque as the Boys,
Speaker 2: but it's definitely in that Ven diagram of edge violent.
Speaker 2: These superheroes will kill you.
Speaker 1: I mean that was the mission statement was push the
Speaker 1: envelope on what superheroes are. Yeah, and I'll say this,
Speaker 1: I think that they're the bad guys.
Speaker 2: I think so, I think they're the bad guys.
Speaker 1: I think that they're going to be the bad guys.
Speaker 1: And I think this is I think the Authority and
Speaker 1: the way the Authority go about their business. Who knows
Speaker 1: where they come from, maybe they come from another dimension,
Speaker 1: they show up here and then they're just like, oh, great, perfect,
Speaker 1: this world needs superheroes. And I think that this is
Speaker 1: going to be the reason that the JLA and our
Speaker 1: heroes come together in a team to fight them.
Speaker 2: I love that. I think that's a brilliant idea because
Speaker 2: also the original there's multiple different versions of the Authority
Speaker 2: throughout history, So like you probably wouldn't know most of
Speaker 2: the characters because who is Jenny Sparks. Nobody knows that's
Speaker 2: one of the original leaders. But I will tell you
Speaker 2: two characters that you will know who if they come
Speaker 2: into this show, which I believe they will, will probably
Speaker 2: be the breakoff team who become the roguish anti heroic
Speaker 2: heroes rather than being part of the villains, which is
Speaker 2: Midnight to Ann Apollo, who are two of comics first
Speaker 2: gay characters. They're married, they're in love. They actually end
Speaker 2: up adopting a younger version of the Leader of the
Speaker 2: Authority later on, and they have become huge, huge cult
Speaker 2: fans in the DC universe. With you know, Steve Orlando
Speaker 2: did like a Midnight series, and there was a Midnight
Speaker 2: in Apollo spinoff, and I think that we could see
Speaker 2: those characters kind of break off. But I think you're
Speaker 2: right the way they describe these characters. James Gunn is
Speaker 2: a huge Wildstorm fan. He said he loves wild Story
Speaker 2: and he wants to bring all of the characters into
Speaker 2: the DCU so we could see, like you know, Wildcats,
Speaker 2: we could see I think people like Griff.
Speaker 1: And stuff, Wildcats are the dec I believe it.
Speaker 2: I'm already hearing I'm already hearing rumblings about Jim Lee's
Speaker 2: involvement and stuff, which would make me really excited. So
Speaker 2: I think this is really interesting. But the way they're
Speaker 2: talking about it, they're saying they think they're the good guys.
Speaker 2: They believe what they're doing is right. That is very
Speaker 2: different from the other kinds of stories that gun likes.
Speaker 2: Tell a story like Suicide Squad, who are the bad
Speaker 2: guys who think they're the bad guys, but then actually
Speaker 2: they do something good. I love this idea of a
Speaker 2: team who truly believes, and that is the point of
Speaker 2: the authority. They believe they are a higher authority. They
Speaker 2: believe that they should be outside the realm of the government.
Speaker 1: Superman in the in the like German philosophic exactly, you
Speaker 1: even know that.
Speaker 2: And they were created some of them like Midnight ran Apollo.
Speaker 2: They were essentially created by like an evil scientist. Then
Speaker 2: you have you know, Jenny Sparks is essentially like somebody
Speaker 2: who lives for a century, who represents the spirit of
Speaker 2: the twenty first century and the twentieth century. I will
Speaker 2: say that sounds like a Grant Morrison I did to me.
Speaker 2: I feel like this was very inspired by the Morrisons look,
Speaker 2: but comes with like a less hopeful vibe. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Mark Miller worked on it, Dustin Wehm worked on it.
Speaker 2: Frank quietly worked on it. Grant Morrison wrote two issues
Speaker 2: of the third volume, which were illustrated by Gen Harh,
Speaker 2: then disappeared around the time him and Mark Miller fell out.
Speaker 2: So this is like the absolute roster of famous creators
Speaker 2: who got their start or were involved on this book.
Speaker 2: Ed Brubaker wrote some of this like this, This was
Speaker 2: a kind of hub for comic book create a talent
Speaker 2: that would establish a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Late nineties early two thousands were a great time in
Speaker 1: comics creatively, because the entire industry's back was against the exactly.
Speaker 2: That's when you got some of the wildest Marvel stuff.
Speaker 2: Jok Asada comes in at Marvel. Yeah, you got frankincastle
Speaker 2: Let's punisher, who's a Frankenstein like Sure. I love that idea.
Speaker 2: It was such a creative time, and I think it
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense for Gunn. I was rereading
Speaker 2: a lot of these comics. A lot of the stuff,
Speaker 2: even for nineteen ninety nine was age. But you know
Speaker 2: what we've seen in both Marvel and Y, We've seen
Speaker 2: great reconsiderations and reimaginings, So I think this could be
Speaker 2: one of them. And I think in a post boys world,
Speaker 2: this is an incredibly smart choice. What I would love
Speaker 2: to see when Avid Deverney adapted DMZ, which was written
Speaker 2: by Brian Wood, who was a creator who had also
Speaker 2: had alleged abuse and manipulation kind of wheel like accusations,
Speaker 2: Ava went out of her way to hire one of
Speaker 2: the women who had first broken the silence on Brian
Speaker 2: Wood as a writer. I would love to see the
Speaker 2: authority become a space for that too, where some of
Speaker 2: these women who had had relationships with Warren Ellis are
Speaker 2: allowed to be part of deciding how this story is
Speaker 2: going to be told. If it's part of it, I
Speaker 2: always I thought that was really cool that Avid did that,
Speaker 2: and I'd be very interesting to see something similar.
Speaker 1: Happen next Paradise Lost. This is going to be a
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones political st I'll take on Semyscira to
Speaker 1: me in the Amazon's birthplace of wonder Woman kind of.
Speaker 1: It seems like a wonder Woman kind of origin story.
Speaker 2: I think what they're saying is it's going to be
Speaker 2: a generation before Diana, so I think we can assume
Speaker 2: that Diana will be a baby, probably because a generation
Speaker 2: before the Amazons could be thousands of years. And the
Speaker 2: coolest thing about this that I think has a lot
Speaker 2: of potential to go both great or terrible, but I'm
Speaker 2: going for great. I'm staying optimistic because I want to
Speaker 2: see I want to see a Game of Thrones Greek mythology,
Speaker 2: political intrigue show. The idea is this is going to
Speaker 2: show why there are no men on Themyscerra. This is
Speaker 2: why I would assume that we'll get something around aries
Speaker 2: trying to conquer them. I hope they go for more
Speaker 2: of that kind of a war theme than the Brian
Speaker 2: Azarello style kind of like kind of leaning more into
Speaker 2: like the creepy rape kind of aspect of why men
Speaker 2: wouldn't be invited. But I would be very interested. I
Speaker 2: think this could be so and I love the idea
Speaker 2: that this is going to be a prestige HBO Max show.
Speaker 2: Guess what, guys, we know HBO can make great Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones style programming because they made Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2: So yes, we want to see this. I think this
Speaker 2: is really cool. Imagine casting, the kind of casting we're
Speaker 2: going to get for all these brilliant Amazons, and the
Speaker 2: kind of way we could see them portrayed on screen
Speaker 2: and get this time to spend there. So much of
Speaker 2: the conversation around those Wonder Woman movies, especially Wonder Woman Too,
Speaker 2: was like I want to stay on Themiscira, like those
Speaker 2: first twenty minutes on Themiscira, Let's make that the whole thing.
Speaker 2: So I think this is really cool that they're gonna
Speaker 2: they're gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Up next, a real weirdo deep poll from James Gunn
Speaker 1: Booster Gold Live action series Booster Gold is this is
Speaker 1: a very James Gunn template. The thing that you laid out,
Speaker 1: which is the losers and bad guys who kind of
Speaker 1: get pulled into being heroes. Booster Gold is like a
Speaker 1: loser from the future who travels back in time with
Speaker 1: advanced technology to become a hero.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this is really cool. This is
Speaker 2: gonna be I think a Peacemaker style unexpected hit because
Speaker 2: in the comics, as James says this in the video,
Speaker 2: this is a cult fan favorite character. Everyone has been
Speaker 2: saying why not Booster Gold, Why not Booster Gold? And
Speaker 2: one of the most popular successful parts of Booster Gold
Speaker 2: in the comics is his relationship with Blue Beetle. So
Speaker 2: I think that we will see that will probably be
Speaker 2: that crossover between the Blue Beetle movie, which they were
Speaker 2: so happy with and believed in so much that they
Speaker 2: moved it from HBO Max the theatrical. I think that
Speaker 2: is where we will see Blue Beetle come in and crossover.
Speaker 2: So the interesting thing to wonder is are they going
Speaker 2: to do a young Booster Gold so that they are contemporaries.
Speaker 2: If so, it could be called a castle like the
Speaker 2: kid who played Hawk in Cobra Kai, So you get
Speaker 2: that kind of reuniting or I'm going back to it.
Speaker 2: Channing Tait. He'd be a brilliant boost of gold, and
Speaker 2: you could have this kind of olda mental younger blue
Speaker 2: beetle kind of relationship of the real hero of us
Speaker 2: as this kind of faux hero but who always ends
Speaker 2: up getting pulled into these kind of heroic schemes. I
Speaker 2: think this is going to be a really really big deal.
Speaker 1: Next up, another another possible entry into we were right.
Speaker 1: We were talking in the studio and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an online so pre probably.
Speaker 1: About how much about how we thought the bat family
Speaker 1: had to be involved in this iteration of the DCU,
Speaker 1: and that we were hoping to see Damien son of
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne, and the Brave and the Bold will do that.
Speaker 1: The Brave and the Bold will introduce Batman and Robin
Speaker 1: in this kind of like father Son's story. It's we're
Speaker 1: going to Bruce is going to discover that he has
Speaker 1: a child, and then he's going to discover that his child,
Speaker 1: who will at one point become Robin loves.
Speaker 2: To merger, take care out assassin with like Jim describe
Speaker 2: him a little son of a bitch. That's a good
Speaker 2: description of Damian Wayne. He is a little son of
Speaker 2: a bitch, and they very excitingly said, this is based
Speaker 2: on Grant Morrison's Batman and Robin comics, which, obviously, for
Speaker 2: obvious reasons, they couldn't name it Batman and Robin because
Speaker 2: of the incredible Joe Schumacher movie Batman and Robin, which
Speaker 2: you know, everyone knows I'm a huge fan of. But
Speaker 2: the Brave in the Bold is a very exciting title
Speaker 2: for it, because not only are we going to get
Speaker 2: Damian Wayne, and James said, this is the beginning of
Speaker 2: the bat Family, which is very exciting, very exciting, but
Speaker 2: not only are we going to get Damian Wayne, who
Speaker 2: I think is such a beloved Robin and people are
Speaker 2: really excited to see him brought to life, but the
Speaker 2: fact that they're calling it the Brave in the Bold
Speaker 2: makes me think there's going to be team up elements,
Speaker 2: that we're going to see some of those weirder characters
Speaker 2: brave in the balls where you'd see like a music
Speaker 2: meister or like some really weird out there villains, especially
Speaker 2: if you've watched the cartoon, which is so great and
Speaker 2: in the comics too, So I think this is a
Speaker 2: very exciting possibility. And also again Grant Morrison's birthday, thanks
Speaker 2: for the Grant Morrison love on Grant Morrison's birthday. I'm
Speaker 2: a huge fan of this choice. I want to know,
Speaker 2: how do you introduce Damien and build a bat family
Speaker 2: from Damien. I love Gotham Academy, so I'd love to
Speaker 2: see maps like that's one of my favorite characters, and
Speaker 2: you do the younger bat family. But I think everyone
Speaker 2: knows the interesting thing here is getting to meet the
Speaker 2: other previous Robins at some point, and how you build
Speaker 2: that in from the ground up of Damien. I think
Speaker 2: that's a really interesting storytelling choice. We've seen Dick's story
Speaker 2: many many times, We've seen the original Robin. We've even
Speaker 2: gotten to see Tim Drake now, you know, in the
Speaker 2: TV stuff. So I think this is a great choice.
Speaker 2: And I can't I want to see that little sassy
Speaker 2: kid that they cast. This could be like a hit
Speaker 2: girl from kick Ass Chloe Morets.
Speaker 1: Never has to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need a ten year old who's gonna swear
Speaker 2: like a sailor, who's gonna chop people's heads off with
Speaker 2: a Samurai sword and he's just gonna cause Batman. Damian
Speaker 2: is basically Batman's karma for all the children that he
Speaker 2: pulled into his rule.
Speaker 1: And by the way, is as he becomes a teenager
Speaker 1: and an older and a younger, a young man, a
Speaker 1: true young man continues to cause can problems for Bruce
Speaker 1: Wayne all throughout the years. Then next up this was
Speaker 1: kind of a surprise.
Speaker 2: I think this is the most Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is This is a story that came out
Speaker 1: like last year.
Speaker 2: Literally just Tom King.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom King and everyone's favorite former CIA agent who
Speaker 1: is a comic book creator, and bil Quis Evely's.
Speaker 2: Bilquises Are I just I cannot tell you read this book.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: This bil Quis Everly's are is unbelievable, like many other
Speaker 2: things that Tom kick.
Speaker 1: Sci Fi Supergirl, it is what this is.
Speaker 2: Tom King pitch DC and he said, what if we
Speaker 2: did true Grit but with Supergirl? And Supergirl is not
Speaker 2: the girl asking for help because her family's been killed
Speaker 2: though we know her family died on Krypton. In fact,
Speaker 2: Supergirl is the grizzled, older, drunk who this young girl
Speaker 2: is gonna ask to take on a quest for revenge.
Speaker 2: And it is basically narratively true Grit. But Matt Lopez
Speaker 2: the colorist, and Bill Chris Everly create this swirling cosmos.
Speaker 2: This absolutely wild space Western, and that to me is
Speaker 2: what I think appeals to gun It's Guardians of the
Speaker 2: Galaxy but are rated. It's two women in a Western.
Speaker 2: It's the Last of Us and the Mandalorian. It's these
Speaker 2: lone wolf and cub stories, but here we have the
Speaker 2: centered around two women. And I cannot tell you like
Speaker 2: there are in this book. You will not believe it.
Speaker 2: It begins in a high fantasy planet, so everyone speaks
Speaker 2: like they're in lad of Rings. There's all these kind
Speaker 2: of wild monsters and aliens, and Bilkis and Matt bring
Speaker 2: this visual language to it that is just unlike any
Speaker 2: other comic. I I tire of the dark twists that
Speaker 2: Tom King often brings, but I think that Everly and
Speaker 2: Lopez's art makes this something that made me really excited
Speaker 2: when this was on there. It's it's a very interesting take.
Speaker 2: But I will say this is my one thing. I
Speaker 2: wrote a piece about this vi GM. I'll say it here.
Speaker 2: It's not a spoiler because if you don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, you won't know. But I'm saying, let
Speaker 2: the super Pets live, James Gunn, that's my one change.
Speaker 2: That's one change. That's all I want. Bilkis are and
Speaker 2: let the super Pets live.
Speaker 1: And then finally, this project I thought was by wrote
Speaker 1: by our own Rosie, who demanded who demanded that it'd
Speaker 1: be included in the first announcement of the DC Slate folks,
Speaker 1: swamp Thing is here.
Speaker 2: I actually was the outside the Warner Brothers offices every
Speaker 2: day with a sign I swam. I have to say
Speaker 2: thank you. This is no joke, like thank you to
Speaker 2: everyone who messaged me to say congratulations. This was so
Speaker 2: funny that I actually had to do a post about
Speaker 2: it because so many of my friends and so many
Speaker 2: people who listen to the show, and so many people
Speaker 2: who read my work texted me and they were like
Speaker 2: and they DM me and they were like, congratulations, you
Speaker 2: did it, Like swamp Thing is happening. I did a
Speaker 2: poster or I was like, thank you for your congratulations.
Speaker 2: And my sister texted me and was like, did I
Speaker 2: miss something? And I was like, don't worry. It's just
Speaker 2: a swamping movie. I'm not writing it, but I feel
Speaker 2: I feel so close to this movie. I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: If it was up to me, I would say bring
Speaker 2: back James One. I love that Swamp Thing show. I
Speaker 2: know that's not going to happen. I am hearing. I
Speaker 2: think James Mangol did a tweet with Swamp Thing, and
Speaker 2: I think people are thinking that's the way it's going
Speaker 2: to go. James James says it's going to be a
Speaker 2: very dark horror film about the origins of Swamp Thing.
Speaker 2: If you don't know those origins, love it you will,
Speaker 2: you will understand it's really really brilliant, strange, esoteric stuff.
Speaker 2: You can start with the original Lemoine stuff, or you
Speaker 2: can skip straight to Sagara swamp Thing, which is Alan Moore.
Speaker 2: There's also a great Current Swamp.
Speaker 1: Iconic the Iconic Ale and that's the stuff you saw.
Speaker 2: My post that where a lot of the images came
Speaker 2: from Right of Spring and stuff like that. There's also
Speaker 2: a great Current Swamp Thing run by Ramby. So I
Speaker 2: would say, I hope that the horror aspect is there,
Speaker 2: but I hope it is sprinkled with some of the
Speaker 2: gothic romance that I believe is the best thing.
Speaker 1: That's the heart, that's the emotion, the emotional heart of
Speaker 1: swamp because like, yeah, monster in the fucking Swamp, we've
Speaker 1: seen it, but he's there's a human emotional Yeah. The
Speaker 1: heart of Swamp Thing is this longing of the Swamp
Speaker 1: Things for the love that he used to have and
Speaker 1: that he can know.
Speaker 2: Humanity. Yeah, because there's this very brilliant twist on Swamp
Speaker 2: Thing that you won't see coming when you read the books. Also,
Speaker 2: I will say I've said it before, I'll say it again.
Speaker 2: Go and watch the Swamp and Thing TV show that
Speaker 2: was originally on DC Universe. I believe it is more
Speaker 2: than likely on HBO Max now. It is just absolute dynamite.
Speaker 2: Crystal Read from teen Wolf plays Abby and she is
Speaker 2: so brilliant and the practical effects are unbelievable and it
Speaker 2: is just the most wonderful, lovely, romantic, weird, gothic horror show.
Speaker 2: And I know he only got one season, but I
Speaker 2: will always hold it close to my heart. So watch
Speaker 2: that to prepare. But yes, I also really like the
Speaker 2: way James Gunn was like, this is extremely different in
Speaker 2: tone from anything else on this slate, but I just
Speaker 2: had to get it in Mabby and I was like
Speaker 2: I'm ready. Yeah, I was like please, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Well, a very exciting announcement. I have to say, you
Speaker 1: can't be anything but excited about what James is attempting
Speaker 1: to do exactly, and I think that it's what has
Speaker 1: been necessary for a long time. And if they can
Speaker 1: pull this off, I think the comics the storytelling space
Speaker 1: is going to be all the best or for it totally.
Speaker 1: It be really fun if he can do it.
Speaker 2: I just think it shows the thing we've been saying
Speaker 2: that's most exciting about James and pet being in charge
Speaker 2: of this. These are people who love comics, they get
Speaker 2: they love. This is a lineup of someone who has
Speaker 2: favorite comics that they wanted to adapt to, which we
Speaker 2: rarely see. So I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Up next to the mailbag, we're stepping out of the
Speaker 1: airlock and into the X ray vision crypt a KA
Speaker 1: the mail bag. To answer your questions, here's one from Mike.
Speaker 1: Mike asks, the MMCU is very global. Currently. You have
Speaker 1: a shang Chi running around in China. You have Leila
Speaker 1: in Egypt. You have Cameron and Red Dagger in Pakistan.
Speaker 1: You have Blade and the Eternals in London and Moonnight
Speaker 1: all over Europe. What are some other global heroes you'd
Speaker 1: like to see in the MCU. I have one that
Speaker 1: he instantly leaves to mind, but you tell me Rosie who.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, this is like my dream question because basically
Speaker 2: getting onto one of when you talk about global characters
Speaker 2: in MCU, getting onto one of mine and Jason's favorite topics,
Speaker 2: aka the X Men. So Colossus, you know, I think
Speaker 2: that's someone I'd really love to see in the MCU,
Speaker 2: one of our X Men faves, you know, the Russian
Speaker 2: kind of legend, the huge hunky boy. I love Colossus.
Speaker 2: I mean I would love to see Karma. So you're
Speaker 2: talking about like a Vietnamese character, that would be so wonderful.
Speaker 2: I love Chamber. That's one of my favorite characters. And
Speaker 2: he's from London. I think John Boyeger is my dream
Speaker 2: Chamber casting because I think, like the only thing you
Speaker 2: need about Chamber is that they're from that He's from London,
Speaker 2: so you know, that would be a cool gen X character.
Speaker 2: Basically all of mine are just X Men characters. He's
Speaker 2: from Canada. That's global, It's on the globe, you know.
Speaker 2: I think there's a I think there's a big space
Speaker 2: for like for like a reconsideration and like a recontextualization
Speaker 2: of like Sunfire to introduce like a Japanese hero. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would love to see like Money and Penance come in.
Speaker 2: That would be really cool to have like African characters,
Speaker 2: and also to have more again, more weird X Men characters.
Speaker 2: And I do think that I think that's sun Spot,
Speaker 2: like a real version of sun Spot where you do
Speaker 2: the Brazilian character whose father is like a wealthy businessman.
Speaker 2: It opens up all these really interesting spaces into like
Speaker 2: corporate espionage, the Hellfire Club. But also he has one
Speaker 2: of the most interesting origin stories, which is essentially like
Speaker 2: he is a black character who is targeted by racist
Speaker 2: bullies and that is when his powers ignite, you know,
Speaker 2: and his powers are so interesting visually. So yeah, global
Speaker 2: characters aka the X Men introduce them, how about you.
Speaker 1: I mean, all of that is great. I could not
Speaker 1: I could not avoid thinking about the late eighties nineties
Speaker 1: era X Men when they were hanging out in Australia
Speaker 1: with Yes, with the Teleporter Gateway. That's another gree Wow.
Speaker 1: I would just love that. But I'll tell you one
Speaker 1: that I think we're gonna I think we're gonna get
Speaker 1: this is Captain Britain and Excalibur. I think we're going
Speaker 1: to get it at some point.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that makes so much sense. I mean with Blade, Yeah,
Speaker 2: with with with you know Kit Harrington, that Black Knight
Speaker 2: is going to become a character in the MCU, That's
Speaker 2: going to be a thing. So I think that makes
Speaker 2: a lot of sense because you get Captain Britain, you
Speaker 2: get excalib but you can do some of that with
Speaker 2: supernatural stuff. Okay, So in the comics at the moment,
Speaker 2: you know, they have this kind of like Betsy Braddock
Speaker 2: Captain Britain. Do you think we could see a version
Speaker 2: like that? Do you think it's like a more traditional
Speaker 2: I think it is.
Speaker 1: I think that's seeding and of course we can't forget.
Speaker 1: Also in Eastern Europe, our friend Bova in Mount Wonder Gore.
Speaker 2: My Darling, my queen. I'm actually gonna you had it
Speaker 2: hip fast. He's a cool exclusive. I'm going to get
Speaker 2: Bova tattoo. Yeah yeah, yeah, so I'll make sure to
Speaker 2: reveal it first. To the listeners of X ray.
Speaker 1: Vision, Blakeney asks what Marvel DC project are you most
Speaker 1: excited for? I which are you most worried about, whether
Speaker 1: that's casting, story, or other factors. Mouth start, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: really excited for the James Gunn era of DC. I
Speaker 1: think he's done some really wise things early on to
Speaker 1: kind of cut the cord to, you know, the kind
Speaker 1: of the more toxic side of the Snyder.
Speaker 2: He's talked about the divisive nature of the fandom and
Speaker 2: how he can't please everyone. I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a person who has proven that
Speaker 1: they have a track record and at point of view
Speaker 1: that works in this space, and I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: see what he's going to do.
Speaker 2: I totally agree. I love that this is somebody who
Speaker 2: loves comics. It's also someone who had great and public
Speaker 2: personal growth. I think the Suicide Squad movie that he
Speaker 2: made is an underrated gem that is just going to
Speaker 2: age like a fine wine and is one of the
Speaker 2: most radical superhero movies we've ever seen. I love that
Speaker 2: he came in really hard supporting the Blue Beetle movie,
Speaker 2: which I'm very excited about. Let's keep it DC, because
Speaker 2: we talk about Marvel lot most worried about. I think
Speaker 2: I can probably speak for both of us here, but.
Speaker 1: It's the Flash that's what I'm most worried about.
Speaker 2: I don't mean I want.
Speaker 1: To tell the ways we're worried about you.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm worried about it. In general, I'm interested
Speaker 2: in what James is going to how they're going to
Speaker 2: handle that. I think Peter Saffran has made some of
Speaker 2: the best and had a hand in making some of
Speaker 2: the best Warner Brothers movies. I love, as everyone knows,
Speaker 2: I love Aquaman, the most profitable DC movie of all time,
Speaker 2: by the way. So I'm very excited. I'm excited to
Speaker 2: see how they handlell this very tough challenge of the Flash.
Speaker 2: Even though I'm worried about the Flash, I think it
Speaker 2: will be an interesting watermark to see how they're going
Speaker 2: to approach it. And I'm hoping because as the reporting
Speaker 2: has been out there is that Ben Affleck is no
Speaker 2: longer going to be in it as Batman, which was
Speaker 2: kind of reported he came in because they people didn't
Speaker 2: understand why Michael Keaton was there. I'm assuming if you're
Speaker 2: James Gun, You're probably going to be like, put Michael
Speaker 2: Keaton back in there. It's Batman, And now that Ben
Speaker 2: Affleck is out, he's going to be involved in maybe
Speaker 2: directing a movie or something. I just think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of interesting options. But I'm really interested because I
Speaker 2: don't want to see Ezra as a flash. Everyone knows that,
Speaker 2: but I do I want to. I'm most worried about
Speaker 2: this inclusive, young version of the Justice League that that
Speaker 2: that had supposedly been setting up with this, you know,
Speaker 2: new Supergirl. I really want to see where that goes,
Speaker 2: and I hope something positive can come out of it.
Speaker 2: But I still don't even believe the movie's coming out
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: That's the rail track. I can't. I don't believe it either.
Speaker 1: Andrew asks, in the spirit of the Last of Us
Speaker 1: and other Lone Wolf and Cub style stories, what ex
Speaker 1: team member would you most trust and least trust to
Speaker 1: babysit your child, niece, nephew, pets or loved one. Well,
Speaker 1: this is easy for me. I think I would. First
Speaker 1: of all, it's Wolverine because he's done it so many times.
Speaker 2: Obviously, he is the kid. He's taking the kid.
Speaker 1: You can't count how many times he has done this
Speaker 1: with you know. Power Pack is probably my favorite version
Speaker 1: of this. Remember that one when he's like when he's
Speaker 1: on the run from the Reavers and Lady Death Strike
Speaker 1: and he's like been reduced to his like feral state
Speaker 1: because of like how injured he is, and then they
Speaker 1: come across power Pack, and then he helps them, even
Speaker 1: though because he's just you know, like good to the core,
Speaker 1: even though he is a hardened killer. I think it
Speaker 1: would have to be Wolverine least, trust I don't know.
Speaker 1: Does mister Sinister count as an X Men right now?
Speaker 2: I think you can do it. I think you can
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: I mean like like like Mutant Nation is really united,
Speaker 1: and he has been an important.
Speaker 2: He would probably do an experiment on your child.
Speaker 1: He say what you listen, We've seen he said he would,
Speaker 1: and listen, mister Sinister is on side. He's been an
Speaker 1: important part of the Krakoa era x Men obviously, in
Speaker 1: without him, there would be no resurrection process, you know.
Speaker 1: So I guess I could count him as an x
Speaker 1: Men and thus as an x Men. Mister Sinister, no
Speaker 1: way keeping my pet loved one whoever?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I'm I agree Wolverine was my pick.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go controversial, but I believe it is. I
Speaker 2: do believe it's fat. You know, I never leave my
Speaker 2: kid with e ever, do not put my child in
Speaker 2: your baby army. Do not do not send my child
Speaker 2: to your private school, which I probably pay thousands of
Speaker 2: dollars for. And then you're gonna put them in the
Speaker 2: war room. No, thank you. You're not looking after my child.
Speaker 2: The child's gonna end up in a war. This is
Speaker 2: gonna be bad. Maybe I'll maybe, maybe I'll let my
Speaker 2: child come and play baseball.
Speaker 1: But this is without even like getting into all the
Speaker 1: times after saying, hey, telepaths, you should, by the way,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't just go into people's minds, don't do that.
Speaker 1: He's every one while he's done it to everybody. Also,
Speaker 1: he's read everybody's minds. He's put mental blocks in everybody's minds.
Speaker 1: He's invasive fucking memory a million. Yeah, he just as well.
Speaker 2: Look, nobody wants to remember this even and this is
Speaker 2: because understandable. It was a bad choice. Stanley. This was
Speaker 2: a bad choice. But let's not forget that early in
Speaker 2: the X Men's original tenure, before the giant size X
Speaker 2: Men which reimagine them and we all love, Charley Xavier
Speaker 2: was creepy on Jane Gray. This is child bet.
Speaker 1: This is one of those things. This is one of
Speaker 1: those moments. It's like X Men number six legitimately where
Speaker 1: it's like.
Speaker 2: I know you was like, don't do this that.
Speaker 1: This is one of those things that I think we've
Speaker 1: all just agreed to pretend that that never happened.
Speaker 2: He's like, how could I ever tell her that I
Speaker 2: am in love?
Speaker 1: Why did this happened? Oh? God, I think that's going
Speaker 1: by the way. Uh. While we're on Charles Xavier, do
Speaker 1: you see I think it's Immortal x Men one of
Speaker 1: the recent Immortal x men's where there's a really cool
Speaker 1: uh uh exchange where Charles is like wondering what would
Speaker 1: have happened had if him and Magnus had like switched
Speaker 1: power sets, like if he was Magneto and Magneto is
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier. And he was like, well, i'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent what's happened is all humans would be
Speaker 1: dead because and then he goes into like how he
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier could have easily killed on humans. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, my power allows me to locate mutants, therefore
Speaker 1: I can also locate humans, And it would have just
Speaker 1: been an easy work of about a decade of planting,
Speaker 1: you know, subliminal messages in people's minds causing them to
Speaker 1: not eat, kill themselves, whatever, And it would take about
Speaker 1: ten years and I could kill every single human on Earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited, Like they're doing so much good stuff.
Speaker 2: So speaking of I'm glad you brought this up, because
Speaker 2: when you started talking about Mister Sinister, I was thinking
Speaker 2: Marvel's doing this event called Sins of Sinister and Kiaran
Speaker 2: Gillan and Paco Medina they're doing a book called Immoral
Speaker 2: x Men. Yeah, instead of Immortal x Men, and it's
Speaker 2: like ten years in the future and the X Men
Speaker 2: are loved and adored instead of you know, hated and feared.
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited to see where that goes. It's
Speaker 2: a great time to be an X Men fan.
Speaker 1: It really is. I would argue there's almost been no
Speaker 1: better time, not in.
Speaker 2: Our age that we can really appreciate it. Like I
Speaker 2: wish if I'd have been this age when you know,
Speaker 2: New X Men was coming out, I probably would have
Speaker 2: felt the same way.
Speaker 1: But I was like twelve, They're at the peak of
Speaker 1: their powers. Kyle asks, Hey, Jason and Rosie. With me
Speaker 1: wanting to get into comics and X Men being my
Speaker 1: favor from the original tune, what comic book issue series
Speaker 1: would you recommend? I start with For further clarification, I'm
Speaker 1: a black gay man, so obviously I am obsessed with
Speaker 1: Storm and I watched The Phoenix and Dark Phoenix Saga
Speaker 1: every three months or so. Oh Rosie, what I got it?
Speaker 2: So first of all, I'll just say, you love Dark
Speaker 2: Phoenix Saga. Read it. You can get it in a
Speaker 2: collection Dark Phoenix Saga. It's great, some of the best
Speaker 2: stuff ever, one of the most yeah, just absolutely wild stuff.
Speaker 2: Wasn't the way it was supposed to go, but you
Speaker 2: know what, some really great X Men storytelling days a
Speaker 2: future past. I always say that, we always say this
Speaker 2: is a great way to start because it's a couple
Speaker 2: of issues.
Speaker 1: You can read it early too, it's three issues. For
Speaker 1: the impact that it has, it flows my mind. Who
Speaker 1: issued not even like a you couldn't even call it
Speaker 1: an arc. It's really just like part one Part two, yeah, literally, and.
Speaker 2: It's had so much impact. It's so iconic. It's got
Speaker 2: that unbelievable you know cover, and it's just so cool.
Speaker 2: In a chat with Louis Simonson and I, I discovered
Speaker 2: that she was the one who came up with the
Speaker 2: idea of the dead dead dead, like what. It was
Speaker 2: really cool stuff. Yeah, and for Storm, this is one
Speaker 2: of my favorite questions. Basically we talk about it a lot.
Speaker 2: You want to go to Uncanny x Men. There's a
Speaker 2: few different things that I'm gonna lay out here. There's
Speaker 2: an arc that's just two issues again, one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy Shoes one hundred and seventy three called to Have
Speaker 2: and Have Not, and that's where Storm changes her whole look.
Speaker 1: You know where she she she clashed.
Speaker 2: Makes friendship, she finds an unexpected friend and just changes
Speaker 2: her look. And Kitty pride so angry. Kitty used to suck.
Speaker 2: She was always having a bad oppe duel, which is
Speaker 2: one of my favorite issues that I actually have, which
Speaker 2: is X Men Uncanny x Men two hour.
Speaker 1: Session.
Speaker 2: That's one of the best ever. If you love Storm,
Speaker 2: that's a great issue.
Speaker 1: And then No Powers, Baby, No No Powers, No Powers.
Speaker 2: And speaking of No Powers, Uncanny x Men one eighty six,
Speaker 2: which is Life Death that is kind of the culmination,
Speaker 2: and it's this really interesting story about Storm and Forge
Speaker 2: and they're kind of burgeoning relationship, but it has this
Speaker 2: unbelievably tragic twist to do with Storm losing her powers,
Speaker 2: so that those would be some great places to start,
Speaker 2: but as always Uncanny X Men. You can go to
Speaker 2: Barnes and Nobles and they sell little digests of these
Speaker 2: that are really small, like an archie. You can buy
Speaker 2: these in trades, you can get them online, you can
Speaker 2: go to your library and read them. But Kyle, I'm
Speaker 2: so glad you sent this question because we love Storm.
Speaker 2: I truly believe Storm. I believe she is the way
Speaker 2: in to the X Men. I think she is your
Speaker 2: premiere X Men character for twenty twenty three. Mcu kind,
Speaker 2: I have one more to add do.
Speaker 1: Storm is kind of like weirdly sidelined in this one,
Speaker 1: but she's also like the motivating factor in it. And
Speaker 1: it's just one of my favorites stories in mutant lore,
Speaker 1: certainly of the Claremont era. It's it's collected in a
Speaker 1: graphic novel edition called The as Guardian Wars, which collects
Speaker 1: X Men and off of Flight one and two, New
Speaker 1: Mutants Special Edition and X Men Annual Number nine and
Speaker 1: the Basic Just as this, the New Mutants get sucked
Speaker 1: into a conflict in Asgard because of the machinations of
Speaker 1: Loki and the Enchantress Uh and Storm gets wrapped in
Speaker 1: a two and then the X Men not knowing what's
Speaker 1: happened to their their charges. The new Mutants then has
Speaker 1: to charge into Asgard to try and get them out,
Speaker 1: and it's one spuggling. It's like Art Adams at his
Speaker 1: absolute the bak of his fucking powers. As an incredible
Speaker 1: super adventure, unbelieva are great story. It's just a great one,
Speaker 1: one of the all time greats from the x MEO.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Matt is asking question. Matt, I'm going to
Speaker 2: preempt this question by saying thank you because me and
Speaker 2: Jason talking about this all the time, and I know
Speaker 2: it's one of our favorite topics. So yeah, let's lay
Speaker 2: out in a more concrete way. Matt asks, I know
Speaker 2: that the MCU has influenced some changes in the comics
Speaker 2: as far as character art and some storylines, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Do you think as the comics and the MCU develop
Speaker 2: in tandem that comics will start being written in such
Speaker 2: a way that intends to become part of the MCU.
Speaker 2: Would there be a world in which a specific storyline
Speaker 2: or comic art is written with the intent of being
Speaker 2: the groundwork in which they become MCU Cannon, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to start quickly by saying, I truly am of
Speaker 2: the belief that they're already doing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they already do it. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a one to one No. I think what they
Speaker 1: do is they treat I think they treat the comics
Speaker 1: as a very very active like research development for the movies,
Speaker 1: seeing what works, what kind of like fun adventures people
Speaker 1: could go into character characters. Yeah, certainly, Like I think
Speaker 1: they're very strategic in terms of what characters are going
Speaker 1: to appear in the movies. You start seeing one shots
Speaker 1: and different things happen in the MCU, and we mentioned,
Speaker 1: we mentioned all the time, uh, the kind of like
Speaker 1: aborted attempt to raise the inhumans the level of exactly
Speaker 1: you know, what are in them? That was that was
Speaker 1: a direct attempt to fill in for the X Men,
Speaker 1: who at the time Disney didn't own the ip uh
Speaker 1: and by replacing them within humans. So I think you're
Speaker 1: exactly right, they do it already. They do it already,
Speaker 1: not not not with a direct connection, but I think
Speaker 1: they they're clearly very strategic about the comics stories they released,
Speaker 1: the characters who they spotlight, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I think they see the comics as almost like a
Speaker 2: way to introduce ideas and characters back into the mindset
Speaker 2: of the fans. Think about our wonderful number one best
Speaker 2: Bud Cody Ziggler and spider Punk. Cody's been absolutely smashing
Speaker 2: it reintroducing spider Punk to people, and then we find
Speaker 2: out spider Punk is going to be in the news.
Speaker 2: It's like, so it's those little things that we can
Speaker 2: get seeding that's my thing. Yet they are they seeding
Speaker 2: something in the comics to the MCU Eve viewing another
Speaker 2: incredible friend of the pod. Wow, we're so lucky. Eve
Speaker 2: has a brilliant new Monica Rambo Photon. It's not a
Speaker 2: coincidence that Monica is highlighted in the book with that
Speaker 2: title Photon right now before the Marvels. So these things
Speaker 2: are there now. What I think is interesting is Kevin
Speaker 2: Feigey is in charge of like publishing operations, I believe now.
Speaker 2: So what I will be interested to see is will
Speaker 2: there be a world where it's less about seeding and hinting,
Speaker 2: and will there be a world where there's an MCU
Speaker 2: line of comics or there's a direct, more textual connection.
Speaker 2: That's what I think the next evolution could be and
Speaker 2: I'd be very interested to see if that happened.
Speaker 1: X Ray Vision will be back and we're back, Jacob
Speaker 1: asks with James Gunn taking over DC and with a
Speaker 1: younger Superman. Is it officially New fifty two time? Now?
Speaker 1: Okay for those not verse contra the DC comics, So
Speaker 1: both Marvel and DC around the same time, I want
Speaker 1: to say, like six or seven years ago old.
Speaker 2: It was in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's terrific. Twelve years ago rebooted their
Speaker 1: entire line. In Marvel, it was called Heroes Reborn. In
Speaker 1: DC it was called the New fifty two. Basically all
Speaker 1: the fifty two titles were rebooted and started fresh.
Speaker 2: They stripped down everything and really relaunched with only fifty
Speaker 2: two titles. Look, it is one of the most influential
Speaker 2: for all its controversy. It's one of the most influential
Speaker 2: comic book situations of all time, follows the conclusion of Flashpoint,
Speaker 2: which obviously is now like such an influential thing. Out
Speaker 2: of it, there are so many books that people love
Speaker 2: and choices and characters were completely reimagined. But it was
Speaker 2: very controversial, as all kind of line wide readbooks.
Speaker 1: The Markle stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, the Marvel opened up Marvel now, which is
Speaker 2: some of my favorite stuff. Young Avengers miss Marvel, all
Speaker 2: of that stuff. DC. This was really like it was
Speaker 2: really a super It's hard to express how much of
Speaker 2: a big deal it was.
Speaker 1: It was a huge deal and it happened, And like
Speaker 1: many DC events, it was an attempt to kind of
Speaker 1: streamline the the kind of just very very overgrown overlapping and.
Speaker 2: For people, make it easier for people to jump on.
Speaker 2: It's always about just jumping on point.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I did, jump on and
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I thought it was great. I had
Speaker 1: a good time with it.
Speaker 2: Would we now? I'm very interested. This is a great point.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if Young Superman hints at kind
Speaker 2: of New fifty two, but James Gunn has recently been
Speaker 2: reading Grant Morrison's Batman and Robin. I do think this
Speaker 2: is an era we Jim Lee is like such a
Speaker 2: huge icon who is such a big part of the
Speaker 2: New fifty two kind of era, And I do think
Speaker 2: we could be seeing people looking back to this almost
Speaker 2: as like we said, you know, twelve years ago, this
Speaker 2: is historical now, this is kind of like people in
Speaker 2: when they were making the two thousand and xt Me
Speaker 2: movie looking back to the eighties, like we're really you know,
Speaker 2: I think New fifty two could be a touch point.
Speaker 2: I don't ever think they're going to say it's directly
Speaker 2: inspired by the New fifty two, because I do think
Speaker 2: it's so controversial, but I do think that already, for example,
Speaker 2: not necessarily like the greatest example, but the fact to
Speaker 2: say this is a point in proof that people are
Speaker 2: looking at it. The version of Black Adam and the
Speaker 2: comics they were drawing from was very directly from the
Speaker 2: New fifty two y Shazam, that which I love, and
Speaker 2: I'm really excited for the next one, that New fifty two.
Speaker 2: So we're already seeing characters seeded in the previous DCEU
Speaker 2: flashpoint New fifty two prior to but around the same time.
Speaker 2: I think that there's a version where the New fifty
Speaker 2: two is incredibly influential on this. But I will also
Speaker 2: say James Gunn is a stone cold weirdo like us,
Speaker 2: and so I think we're also going to be getting
Speaker 2: some weirder, more deep cut you know. I could imagine
Speaker 2: him doing like a Batman inc you know.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 2: Kind of stuff. So yeah, I'm very interested to see
Speaker 2: where it goes. But will we ever see a movie
Speaker 2: called New fifty two or an allusion to it? I
Speaker 2: don't know. It would be a brave It will be
Speaker 2: a bold move, I will say it.
Speaker 1: In terms of broad storylines, it's kind of a natural
Speaker 1: starting point if you want to, in terms of where
Speaker 1: to start stories and contemporary stories, contemporary stories that are
Speaker 1: grounded in today's world, not like with you know, Superman
Speaker 1: appearing in the fucking sixties or somethhit like that. So
Speaker 1: I think it. I think it makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: maybe not as a one to one adaptation, but of
Speaker 1: kind of spiritual adaptation to say, okay, new ownership, in
Speaker 1: new creative direction, We're going to New fifty two, this
Speaker 1: film universe. I think that's why I think.
Speaker 2: People within DC, I'm Warner Brothers may be using that
Speaker 2: phrase as you just used it. Yes, I believe it, Okay, Tyrannosaurus.
Speaker 2: Greg asks a wonderful, truly wonderful question, would you want
Speaker 2: a Star Wars what if animated series?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: And if so, what would you want the first season
Speaker 2: to be? Like? What would some ideas be of stories
Speaker 2: that you would want to see.
Speaker 1: Anakin kills Palpatine right away and becomes emperor.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that. Okay, mine would because one of
Speaker 2: my first ones is like the it's like the the
Speaker 2: coin flip of that, which is what if Padme never died?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: Those two would be so good. What if what if
Speaker 2: Anakin killed Palpatine and what if Padme never died? I'd
Speaker 2: like to see both.
Speaker 1: That would be really cool. Yeah, and under in my imagination,
Speaker 1: Anakin it kills Palpatine, he gets his kids and he
Speaker 1: raises them as dark sis. I love that while ruling
Speaker 1: the galaxy that is so hatred and fear in his heart.
Speaker 2: I think that's the most exciting thing about what if
Speaker 2: one imagine if they came at it with the esthetic
Speaker 2: sensibilities of visions, so it looks different. It's but there's
Speaker 2: so many options. Like obviously I'm our old school, I'm
Speaker 2: like an old head, I'm I'm an old person. So
Speaker 2: like my first thought was like, what if Layer and
Speaker 2: hands kids were Jana Solo and Jason Solo and you
Speaker 2: have like the Legends stuff, and instead of Ben being
Speaker 2: kind of a Jason, you actually get to see that
Speaker 2: Legends canon brought to life in a more contemporary way.
Speaker 2: I would also be like a what if Finn and
Speaker 2: Poe fell in love? Like why not do it? It's animated, like,
Speaker 2: let us have fun. I think that's the power of
Speaker 2: what if is you can do so much. You could
Speaker 2: do the smallest little story, and then you could do
Speaker 2: like the most expansive, huge canon changing moments like this
Speaker 2: idea of Anakin. I love that him raising the kids,
Speaker 2: like that, getting see a real dark Luk.
Speaker 1: I mean, what if all we Wan didn't die on
Speaker 1: the desk?
Speaker 2: Oh? Imagine you could have a lot of fun? Uh
Speaker 2: what yeah? No? Another legends what I do? Like what
Speaker 2: if Luke met Mara Jade just so we could see
Speaker 2: so we get sad? Yeah? I mean there's so there's
Speaker 2: so many incredible ones. I love that we if obi
Speaker 2: Wan didn't die, I mean that you could do ten
Speaker 2: seasons of Star of Star Wars.
Speaker 1: What you really could? You know if there was and
Speaker 1: there is? Well, I was about to say there is no.
Speaker 1: I was about to say there's no kind of like
Speaker 1: multiverse kind of effect in Star Wars, but then I
Speaker 1: remembered rebels, the world between worlds or oh my god,
Speaker 1: that one of those, So like, let's put a pin
Speaker 1: in that maybe there is, but God, that would be
Speaker 1: really fun. That's a really cool idea to Rennosaurus, Greg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tynasaurs, Greg, get Disney to pay you for that one,
Speaker 2: because that's that's primo.
Speaker 1: Isabelle Thunderwood asks how much of Marv's funeral procession this
Speaker 1: is from and or going early was a communal, coordinated
Speaker 1: effort to support cast rescuing bis did Pegland cast agree
Speaker 1: to meet the shipyard and set that escape up? Or
Speaker 1: how much was an expression of how individuals spiritually aligned
Speaker 1: will ultimately cross paths and entwine. I think the way
Speaker 1: I read it was it wasn't a conscious effort on
Speaker 1: anybody's part, but it was, and I think this is
Speaker 1: supported by the themes of the story and the things that
Speaker 1: we saw. I think it was an expression of people
Speaker 1: were at their breaking point. They were fed up. A
Speaker 1: beloved member of their community had been had been pounded
Speaker 1: to her death, you know, and many members of their
Speaker 1: community had been oppressed in prison. She said, yeah, so
Speaker 1: many people. And whether or not it was a conscious
Speaker 1: effort to cause a distraction for and or to rescue Bicks,
Speaker 1: which I don't believe. I think what it was was
Speaker 1: people were just had had enough. People were just had
Speaker 1: had enough, and they were they were like sticking their
Speaker 1: chin out hoping that the Empire would take a swim
Speaker 1: because they had just had enough and they were ready
Speaker 1: to fight at that point in time.
Speaker 2: I love that, And actually Elizabell's like the way that
Speaker 2: she posed this question actually just made me have a
Speaker 2: thought as well. We talked a lot about how the
Speaker 2: Force is not really something we see in action in
Speaker 2: a way that we understand it. No one's lifting rocks,
Speaker 2: you know, no one's doing But I kind of love
Speaker 2: this idea of some kind of almost like unconscious solidarity
Speaker 2: where everyone the Force was allowing these things to happen
Speaker 2: in these moments because, like you said, everyone was aligned,
Speaker 2: they knew what they wanted. They were at their breaking point,
Speaker 2: and the right thing to bring balance to the universe,
Speaker 2: to bring balance to the Force, to bring balance to Pherics,
Speaker 2: was for this to happen. So I really love that.
Speaker 2: I love thinking about that kind of stuff because the
Speaker 2: show seems so grounded, but we know what world it
Speaker 2: exists in, so I love that idea. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there was no no one was there with blueprints. No
Speaker 2: one was like texting each other. This was somebody. This
Speaker 2: was that connection of people at their last moment. And
Speaker 2: maybe there was something a little bit more that allowed
Speaker 2: every little thing to happen as it did. But yeah, well,
Speaker 2: what a great question, what a great show. I was
Speaker 2: just thinking about it.
Speaker 1: There's also something Shakespearean about it, you know, like Julius Caesar.
Speaker 1: How how mark Antony and Brutus make their speeches. And
Speaker 1: Brutus goes first basically saying, hey, you know, I loved Caesar.
Speaker 1: He was a great guy, but you know, he got
Speaker 1: a little too big in the head, and unfortunately we
Speaker 1: had to take them down. And then Mark Antony does
Speaker 1: this emotional appeal appeal at just the right time, pointing
Speaker 1: out the kind of incongruities between what Brutus said and
Speaker 1: the way Julius Caesar had acted towards the people who
Speaker 1: were who he was beloved of. And I think that
Speaker 1: there's something of that in this funeral procession, in particular,
Speaker 1: how Marva's speech appears at the perfect time when everybody
Speaker 1: was at that emotional tenor to go over the edge
Speaker 1: and do whatever and just act out. There was no
Speaker 1: you know, there was no like and then we'll overthrow
Speaker 1: the empire and then we'll storm. It was just like,
Speaker 1: fuck these guys, Yeah, we've had enough. And when Marva
Speaker 1: basically gave them the okay that like, it's okay to
Speaker 1: fight for freedom, it's okay to do what's right on paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that message showed up at
Speaker 1: just the right time. And yeah, I think to your point,
Speaker 1: maybe something else was at play there. Yeah, Sheabugin asks
Speaker 1: how much of a shot do you give everything everywhere,
Speaker 1: all at once of taking home Best Picture at the Oscars.
Speaker 1: I give it like zero chance. But I was delighted
Speaker 1: to see it. I think it's very clear to me
Speaker 1: from the movies that were nominated that one of the
Speaker 1: things the Oscars are trying desperately to do is to
Speaker 1: elevate movies that were popular movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is I will say. The thing
Speaker 2: that's kind of blowing my mind is that this is
Speaker 2: probably one of the first times where there's two of
Speaker 2: the biggest movies of the year and of all time
Speaker 2: in the Best Picture Top Gun and Avatar. Notably not
Speaker 2: on years when they didn't nominate those on years when
Speaker 2: it was superhero movies, but you know, they've got a
Speaker 2: thing about genre. But so I think you're right. I
Speaker 2: would love to see it take Best Picture. I think
Speaker 2: it's a long shot, but I do think that Daniels
Speaker 2: for Best Director is I think they might. I think
Speaker 2: they'll probably get that and screenplay, but not Best Picture.
Speaker 1: But I hope.
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna I think they have a good
Speaker 2: chance of sweeping the acting norms. And I think Kikwan
Speaker 2: is a I think that's a shoe in.
Speaker 1: I think that's a shoeing too. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be I just can't imagine top Gun Africatic Best Picture,
Speaker 1: no way.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be the faith Woman's or something.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be all quiet on the Western front.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a classic war movie, which the Academy loves,
Speaker 1: and it's coming. Yeah, it's and you know, I think
Speaker 1: it'll be that Elvis is too weird. Sharon was good,
Speaker 1: but I can't imagine it's too small as well.
Speaker 2: I think Austin Butler does have a good chance for Elvis.
Speaker 2: I never expected it, but I think that's your Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's such a it's such a wild Year, but eleven
Speaker 2: nominations for everything everywhere, all at once. By the way,
Speaker 2: much does I have listened to the chat that we
Speaker 2: had with the Daniels and and and just send them
Speaker 2: some good vibes because they were freaked out. They deserve
Speaker 2: a year ago when this movie was a hit, and
Speaker 2: now it has eleven nominations, and I'm sure they're stressed.
Speaker 1: And by the way, shouts to uh Austin Butler of
Speaker 1: Wizards of Waverley Place fame, Yes would come up by
Speaker 1: my guy, love that Matt Ces. If you had Amazon
Speaker 1: level money to throw it the on screen adaptation of
Speaker 1: your choice be a book series, comic run, or remake
Speaker 1: of an old movie or show, what would it be? Personally?
Speaker 1: I choose Robin Hobbes' Realm of the Elderlings books. Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: what would you what would you do?
Speaker 2: This is like such a hard question that for years
Speaker 2: my answer would have been, uh, you know, Love and Rockets,
Speaker 2: which everyone knows is one of my all time favorite
Speaker 2: comic books. But I truly do believes as a grow older,
Speaker 2: I believe that is in its already in the best
Speaker 2: form it will ever be in, which is as a
Speaker 2: comic book. So I'm taking it off. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to say this is a newer book. I'd love to
Speaker 2: shout out if you listen to the podcast, you've heard
Speaker 2: it here before. But there is a manga by Komomi
Speaker 2: shia Hama called wich Hat Italia. It's like if the
Speaker 2: most beautiful, intricate mar story about magic was drawn by
Speaker 2: somebody who loved Ur Adams, And it's about a young
Speaker 2: girl who wants to learn magic and uncovers the secret
Speaker 2: of magic accidentally in a world where only certain people
Speaker 2: know it and has to go and study it. Is
Speaker 2: honestly one of the best comics I've ever read in
Speaker 2: my whole life. There's about nine. I think the tenth
Speaker 2: book just came out. I think they are making an anime,
Speaker 2: but I would love to see like a billion dollar
Speaker 2: adaptation of that book brought to life in a way
Speaker 2: that could represent the beauty of the art and the
Speaker 2: kind of cozy magic of the storytelling. What would yoursby.
Speaker 1: Gosh, it's really hard, right, but I gosh, I'm going
Speaker 1: to pick a book that I just read, The Black
Speaker 1: Tongue Thief by Christopher Buelman. Now there's only one. The
Speaker 1: one story was published in twenty twenty one, so there's
Speaker 1: only the one book, and it's unclear if he will
Speaker 1: ever go back to the world world. But it is
Speaker 1: a book that really knocked me out, and it has
Speaker 1: like such a fully realized fun world involving magic, but
Speaker 1: magic that is tightly controlled by guilds. And these guilds
Speaker 1: are corrupt, and it's unclear how far their influence actually
Speaker 1: runs and whether they are behind the scenes pulling the
Speaker 1: strings of different things that are happening. This story takes
Speaker 1: place in the kind of aftermath of these long running
Speaker 1: and devastating wars against goblins that ended that devastated humanity
Speaker 1: basically caused all horses to go extinct, many other had
Speaker 1: caused various other plagues, and humanity is just kind of
Speaker 1: getting on its feet. And as that is happening, one
Speaker 1: of the cities on the periphery is attacked by giants.
Speaker 1: Now important fact is this is a city that had
Speaker 1: kind of ejected the Takers Guild, which is the guild
Speaker 1: of thieves and the and the Magicians Guild from their territories,
Speaker 1: meaning it was guild free, so you could be an
Speaker 1: independent magician or an independent thief working there. But you couldn't.
Speaker 1: There's no guild activities there, So what does this mean?
Speaker 1: Who is doing this?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: And it's all told from the perspective of this thief
Speaker 1: named Kinschna Shanek, who is just a wonderful, unreliable narrator.
Speaker 1: It's like just such a it's such a really really
Speaker 1: gripping and swashbuckling read that is is really really fun
Speaker 1: and wonderful and some of the best use of magic
Speaker 1: of that I've read lately.
Speaker 2: It's great, sounds amazing. In today's nerd out what you
Speaker 2: tell us, what you love and why, or a theory
Speaker 2: that you're excited to share. Sarah pictures us on the
Speaker 2: beloved tabletop RPG Dungeons and Dragons from Crookedmedia started its
Speaker 2: own Dungeons and Dragons campaign recently, which includes super producer Soul,
Speaker 2: which means when the Dungeons and Dragon movie comes out,
Speaker 2: Soul's gonna have to come on and talk about it.
Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Sarah, and I'm here to pitch you on
Speaker 4: Dungeons and Dragons. It may seem like everyone knows about
Speaker 4: D and D these days, but I'm a woman in
Speaker 4: my thirties and it was only in my thirties that
Speaker 4: I first discovered it. Shout out to my sister if
Speaker 4: you're unfamiliar with the game. It's a multiplayer role playing
Speaker 4: game which focuses on teamwork and storytelling. You play as
Speaker 4: a singular character with a fantasy race like an Elf,
Speaker 4: and class like a wizard, who teams up with an
Speaker 4: unlikely band of heroes and faces challenges from paying the
Speaker 4: bar tab displaying dragons. You can embody absolutely any character
Speaker 4: you like, exploring different genders and identities, and form lifelong
Speaker 4: bonds with the other players. It's an absolute feast for creativity,
Speaker 4: allowing you to build genuinely transferable problem solving skills and
Speaker 4: quick thinking. Empathy, daring, and math are just a few
Speaker 4: things you can learn at a D and D table.
Speaker 4: As a woman in my thirties, I've found today's players
Speaker 4: to be a welcoming and inclusive group, and I'm going
Speaker 4: to encourage anyone who's sitting on the fence to give
Speaker 4: it a try. If you're looking for content to get
Speaker 4: you into it, The Juggernaut is critical role for good reason,
Speaker 4: but some other great content is not. Another D and
Speaker 4: D podcast, The Adventure Zone podcast, Rude Tales of Magic
Speaker 4: podcast and Dimension twenty. I hope you find boundless excitement
Speaker 4: and entertainment within the many worlds of D and D.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sarah. If you have theories or passions you
Speaker 2: want to share, hit us up extra at croocket dot com.
Speaker 2: Instructions as always are in the show notes.
Speaker 1: That's it for us, Rosie any plugs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me Rosie marks on letterbox and Instagram.
Speaker 2: You will be able to read some of my storm
Speaker 2: stories about these things that we're talking about. I've written
Speaker 2: at IGN about a couple of these big DC news.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have some other core stuff coming out soon,
Speaker 2: and obviously ant Man's coming up, baby, so get ready
Speaker 2: for those anti takes. There's gonna be ants.
Speaker 1: Next episode is Wednesday, February eighth for more of the
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Speaker 1: a theme music That's it for us. Bye, next time.