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Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast contained series and reactions to the new

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Speaker 1: DC Slate, plus grab bag spoilers for various Marvel Comics,

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Speaker 1: mail bag, so be warned. Hello. My name is Jason

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Speaker 1: Concepcion and I'm Rosey Night, and welcome to extra revision

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Speaker 1: of the Crooked Media podcast, where we dive deep, deep, deep,

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Speaker 1: deep deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, we are diving deep, deep, deep, deep deep.

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Speaker 2: In the previously on it's that James Gunn new DC.

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Speaker 2: It is wild JBG. It is weird, and we are

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Speaker 2: here to tell you all about it because it is.

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Speaker 2: There is some deep stuff there, you know. We love that.

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Speaker 1: In the alue, Colonel Sanders, beautiful bastard, you creature, Come

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Speaker 2: This is incredible. In the airlock, it's the mail bag,

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Speaker 2: we got questions about Marvel Comics, what we're looking forward

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Speaker 2: to in twenty twenty three, and more important thing to

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Speaker 2: note here we recorded this before the DC Slate announcement,

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Speaker 2: which is why some of the later answers about DC

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Speaker 2: answering those questions in a future episode. And in that

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Speaker 2: out we have a really awesome segment from Sarah talking

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Speaker 2: about dungeons and dragons, which is very relevant if you've

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Speaker 2: been keeping up with the tabletop gaming news and as always,

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it with the huge announcement from James Gunn,

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Speaker 1: co CEO of DC Studios, with the announcement of the

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Speaker 1: DC Slate. James Gunn, the recently appointed co CEO of

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Speaker 1: DC Studios, revealed the upcoming slate of DC comics, movies,

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Speaker 1: the big industry publications. And let's get into it. First

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Speaker 1: of all, the We're All strategy is the thing that

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Speaker 1: I think DC fans comic fans have been wanting for

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Speaker 1: a while, which is unify all of these kind of

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Speaker 1: like disparate story spaces and make one coherent, cohesive story

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Speaker 1: in which all the characters are the same characters played

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Speaker 1: by the same actors. And that includes interestingly, characters who

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Speaker 1: in live action and in cases where things are happening

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Speaker 1: outside of that continuity, like the sequel to Matt Reeves's

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Speaker 2: Teen Titans Go. I was so happy that they were.

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Speaker 2: They were like, Teen Titans Go is an Elsewaldz project. Guys,

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Speaker 1: God, well, it's funny to me, like like it was,

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Speaker 2: I was like, well, at least they know it's valuable.

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Speaker 2: And also I'm happy because I feel like everyone for

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Speaker 2: and I actually think it's really clever to use it

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan's who This is part of the lineage of

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Speaker 2: Exactly because Matt Ryan, who is such a brilliant Constantine

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Speaker 2: And even in those CW shows, they tested this idea

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Speaker 1: I totally feel the same way. Let's get into the

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Speaker 2: I find this very interesting though, because, like so they

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Speaker 1: It really feels like it's gone.

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Speaker 1: So important connective tissue here is, you know, Zachary Levi

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Speaker 1: That's right, and so the Flash June sixteenth, which Gun

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Speaker 1: The wildest, truly, the wildest kind of a storm of wildness,

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Speaker 2: were wild Cats and Stormwatch. Very cute, Jimly. I love

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Speaker 2: that storm Watch basically evolved into the Authority under the

433
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Speaker 2: authorship of Warren Ellis who recently, over the last few years,

434
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Speaker 2: a lot of people within the comics community came out

435
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: on a website called so Many of Us that you

436
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: could read and talked about how they had experienced I

437
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: will say alleged for legal reasons, like alleged abusive and

438
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: manipulative relationships with Ellis.

439
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Speaker 1: So I think that's really.

440
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Speaker 2: Important because to bring up just because the Authority put

441
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: him on the map, and this was really the book

442
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: that gave him the celebrity status that would later lead

443
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: to those conversations. But what I will say is you

444
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Speaker 2: bore the Ultimate Universe. This book was created by Warren

445
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: Ellis and Brian Hitch. The second volume was made by

446
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: Mark Miller, and this gritty, grounded, violent take was then

447
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: taken by Miller and Brian Hitch and they created the

448
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: Automate Universe, and the Automate Universe went on to create

449
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: and inspire the MCU as we know it. So the

450
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 2: Authority has like a massive, massive impact and legacy, but

451
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 2: it is so it's not as grotesque as the Boys,

452
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: but it's definitely in that Ven diagram of edge violent.

453
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 2: These superheroes will kill you.

454
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Speaker 1: I mean that was the mission statement was push the

455
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Speaker 1: envelope on what superheroes are. Yeah, and I'll say this,

456
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Speaker 1: I think that they're the bad guys.

457
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Speaker 2: I think so, I think they're the bad guys.

458
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: I think that they're going to be the bad guys.

459
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: And I think this is I think the Authority and

460
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: the way the Authority go about their business. Who knows

461
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: where they come from, maybe they come from another dimension,

462
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: they show up here and then they're just like, oh, great, perfect,

463
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: this world needs superheroes. And I think that this is

464
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Speaker 1: going to be the reason that the JLA and our

465
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Speaker 1: heroes come together in a team to fight them.

466
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Speaker 2: I love that. I think that's a brilliant idea because

467
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: also the original there's multiple different versions of the Authority

468
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 2: throughout history, So like you probably wouldn't know most of

469
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Speaker 2: the characters because who is Jenny Sparks. Nobody knows that's

470
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Speaker 2: one of the original leaders. But I will tell you

471
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Speaker 2: two characters that you will know who if they come

472
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: into this show, which I believe they will, will probably

473
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: be the breakoff team who become the roguish anti heroic

474
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Speaker 2: heroes rather than being part of the villains, which is

475
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: Midnight to Ann Apollo, who are two of comics first

476
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: gay characters. They're married, they're in love. They actually end

477
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Speaker 2: up adopting a younger version of the Leader of the

478
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Speaker 2: Authority later on, and they have become huge, huge cult

479
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: fans in the DC universe. With you know, Steve Orlando

480
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: did like a Midnight series, and there was a Midnight

481
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: in Apollo spinoff, and I think that we could see

482
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Speaker 2: those characters kind of break off. But I think you're

483
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Speaker 2: right the way they describe these characters. James Gunn is

484
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Speaker 2: a huge Wildstorm fan. He said he loves wild Story

485
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Speaker 2: and he wants to bring all of the characters into

486
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 2: the DCU so we could see, like you know, Wildcats,

487
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: we could see I think people like Griff.

488
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Speaker 1: And stuff, Wildcats are the dec I believe it.

489
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Speaker 2: I'm already hearing I'm already hearing rumblings about Jim Lee's

490
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Speaker 2: involvement and stuff, which would make me really excited. So

491
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Speaker 2: I think this is really interesting. But the way they're

492
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: talking about it, they're saying they think they're the good guys.

493
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Speaker 2: They believe what they're doing is right. That is very

494
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Speaker 2: different from the other kinds of stories that gun likes.

495
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: Tell a story like Suicide Squad, who are the bad

496
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: guys who think they're the bad guys, but then actually

497
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: they do something good. I love this idea of a

498
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: team who truly believes, and that is the point of

499
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: the authority. They believe they are a higher authority. They

500
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: believe that they should be outside the realm of the government.

501
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: Superman in the in the like German philosophic exactly, you

502
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: even know that.

503
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Speaker 2: And they were created some of them like Midnight ran Apollo.

504
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: They were essentially created by like an evil scientist. Then

505
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: you have you know, Jenny Sparks is essentially like somebody

506
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Speaker 2: who lives for a century, who represents the spirit of

507
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: the twenty first century and the twentieth century. I will

508
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: say that sounds like a Grant Morrison I did to me.

509
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: I feel like this was very inspired by the Morrisons look,

510
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: but comes with like a less hopeful vibe. But yeah,

511
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: Mark Miller worked on it, Dustin Wehm worked on it.

512
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: Frank quietly worked on it. Grant Morrison wrote two issues

513
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: of the third volume, which were illustrated by Gen Harh,

514
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: then disappeared around the time him and Mark Miller fell out.

515
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: So this is like the absolute roster of famous creators

516
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: who got their start or were involved on this book.

517
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: Ed Brubaker wrote some of this like this, This was

518
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: a kind of hub for comic book create a talent

519
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: that would establish a lot of people.

520
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: Late nineties early two thousands were a great time in

521
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: comics creatively, because the entire industry's back was against the exactly.

522
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: That's when you got some of the wildest Marvel stuff.

523
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: Jok Asada comes in at Marvel. Yeah, you got frankincastle

524
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: Let's punisher, who's a Frankenstein like Sure. I love that idea.

525
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: It was such a creative time, and I think it

526
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense for Gunn. I was rereading

527
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: a lot of these comics. A lot of the stuff,

528
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: even for nineteen ninety nine was age. But you know

529
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: what we've seen in both Marvel and Y, We've seen

530
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: great reconsiderations and reimaginings, So I think this could be

531
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: one of them. And I think in a post boys world,

532
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: this is an incredibly smart choice. What I would love

533
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: to see when Avid Deverney adapted DMZ, which was written

534
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: by Brian Wood, who was a creator who had also

535
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: had alleged abuse and manipulation kind of wheel like accusations,

536
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: Ava went out of her way to hire one of

537
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: the women who had first broken the silence on Brian

538
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: Wood as a writer. I would love to see the

539
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: authority become a space for that too, where some of

540
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: these women who had had relationships with Warren Ellis are

541
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Speaker 2: allowed to be part of deciding how this story is

542
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: going to be told. If it's part of it, I

543
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: always I thought that was really cool that Avid did that,

544
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: and I'd be very interesting to see something similar.

545
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Speaker 1: Happen next Paradise Lost. This is going to be a

546
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones political st I'll take on Semyscira to

547
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: me in the Amazon's birthplace of wonder Woman kind of.

548
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: It seems like a wonder Woman kind of origin story.

549
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: I think what they're saying is it's going to be

550
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: a generation before Diana, so I think we can assume

551
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: that Diana will be a baby, probably because a generation

552
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: before the Amazons could be thousands of years. And the

553
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Speaker 2: coolest thing about this that I think has a lot

554
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: of potential to go both great or terrible, but I'm

555
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: going for great. I'm staying optimistic because I want to

556
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: see I want to see a Game of Thrones Greek mythology,

557
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: political intrigue show. The idea is this is going to

558
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: show why there are no men on Themyscerra. This is

559
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: why I would assume that we'll get something around aries

560
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: trying to conquer them. I hope they go for more

561
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: of that kind of a war theme than the Brian

562
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Speaker 2: Azarello style kind of like kind of leaning more into

563
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: like the creepy rape kind of aspect of why men

564
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't be invited. But I would be very interested. I

565
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: think this could be so and I love the idea

566
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: that this is going to be a prestige HBO Max show.

567
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: Guess what, guys, we know HBO can make great Game

568
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: of Thrones style programming because they made Game of Thrones.

569
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: So yes, we want to see this. I think this

570
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: is really cool. Imagine casting, the kind of casting we're

571
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: going to get for all these brilliant Amazons, and the

572
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 2: kind of way we could see them portrayed on screen

573
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: and get this time to spend there. So much of

574
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: the conversation around those Wonder Woman movies, especially Wonder Woman Too,

575
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: was like I want to stay on Themiscira, like those

576
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: first twenty minutes on Themiscira, Let's make that the whole thing.

577
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: So I think this is really cool that they're gonna

578
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: they're gonna do that.

579
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Speaker 1: Up next, a real weirdo deep poll from James Gunn

580
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Booster Gold Live action series Booster Gold is this is

581
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: a very James Gunn template. The thing that you laid out,

582
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: which is the losers and bad guys who kind of

583
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: get pulled into being heroes. Booster Gold is like a

584
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: loser from the future who travels back in time with

585
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: advanced technology to become a hero.

586
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this is really cool. This is

587
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: gonna be I think a Peacemaker style unexpected hit because

588
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: in the comics, as James says this in the video,

589
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 2: this is a cult fan favorite character. Everyone has been

590
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: saying why not Booster Gold, Why not Booster Gold? And

591
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: one of the most popular successful parts of Booster Gold

592
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: in the comics is his relationship with Blue Beetle. So

593
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: I think that we will see that will probably be

594
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: that crossover between the Blue Beetle movie, which they were

595
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: so happy with and believed in so much that they

596
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 2: moved it from HBO Max the theatrical. I think that

597
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: is where we will see Blue Beetle come in and crossover.

598
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: So the interesting thing to wonder is are they going

599
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: to do a young Booster Gold so that they are contemporaries.

600
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: If so, it could be called a castle like the

601
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: kid who played Hawk in Cobra Kai, So you get

602
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: that kind of reuniting or I'm going back to it.

603
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: Channing Tait. He'd be a brilliant boost of gold, and

604
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: you could have this kind of olda mental younger blue

605
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: beetle kind of relationship of the real hero of us

606
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: as this kind of faux hero but who always ends

607
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: up getting pulled into these kind of heroic schemes. I

608
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: think this is going to be a really really big deal.

609
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: Next up, another another possible entry into we were right.

610
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: We were talking in the studio and.

611
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an online so pre probably.

612
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: About how much about how we thought the bat family

613
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: had to be involved in this iteration of the DCU,

614
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: and that we were hoping to see Damien son of

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00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne, and the Brave and the Bold will do that.

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00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: The Brave and the Bold will introduce Batman and Robin

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Speaker 1: in this kind of like father Son's story. It's we're

618
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: going to Bruce is going to discover that he has

619
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Speaker 1: a child, and then he's going to discover that his child,

620
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: who will at one point become Robin loves.

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00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: To merger, take care out assassin with like Jim describe

622
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: him a little son of a bitch. That's a good

623
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: description of Damian Wayne. He is a little son of

624
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: a bitch, and they very excitingly said, this is based

625
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: on Grant Morrison's Batman and Robin comics, which, obviously, for

626
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: obvious reasons, they couldn't name it Batman and Robin because

627
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: of the incredible Joe Schumacher movie Batman and Robin, which

628
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: you know, everyone knows I'm a huge fan of. But

629
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: the Brave in the Bold is a very exciting title

630
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: for it, because not only are we going to get

631
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: Damian Wayne, and James said, this is the beginning of

632
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: the bat Family, which is very exciting, very exciting, but

633
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: not only are we going to get Damian Wayne, who

634
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: I think is such a beloved Robin and people are

635
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: really excited to see him brought to life, but the

636
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: fact that they're calling it the Brave in the Bold

637
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: makes me think there's going to be team up elements,

638
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: that we're going to see some of those weirder characters

639
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: brave in the balls where you'd see like a music

640
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: meister or like some really weird out there villains, especially

641
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: if you've watched the cartoon, which is so great and

642
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: in the comics too, So I think this is a

643
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: very exciting possibility. And also again Grant Morrison's birthday, thanks

644
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: for the Grant Morrison love on Grant Morrison's birthday. I'm

645
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: a huge fan of this choice. I want to know,

646
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: how do you introduce Damien and build a bat family

647
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Speaker 2: from Damien. I love Gotham Academy, so I'd love to

648
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Speaker 2: see maps like that's one of my favorite characters, and

649
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: you do the younger bat family. But I think everyone

650
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: knows the interesting thing here is getting to meet the

651
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: other previous Robins at some point, and how you build

652
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: that in from the ground up of Damien. I think

653
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: that's a really interesting storytelling choice. We've seen Dick's story

654
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: many many times, We've seen the original Robin. We've even

655
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: gotten to see Tim Drake now, you know, in the

656
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Speaker 2: TV stuff. So I think this is a great choice.

657
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: And I can't I want to see that little sassy

658
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: kid that they cast. This could be like a hit

659
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: girl from kick Ass Chloe Morets.

660
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: Never has to be.

661
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need a ten year old who's gonna swear

662
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: like a sailor, who's gonna chop people's heads off with

663
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: a Samurai sword and he's just gonna cause Batman. Damian

664
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: is basically Batman's karma for all the children that he

665
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: pulled into his rule.

666
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: And by the way, is as he becomes a teenager

667
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: and an older and a younger, a young man, a

668
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: true young man continues to cause can problems for Bruce

669
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Speaker 1: Wayne all throughout the years. Then next up this was

670
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Speaker 1: kind of a surprise.

671
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Speaker 2: I think this is the most Tomorrow.

672
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is This is a story that came out

673
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Speaker 1: like last year.

674
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Speaker 2: Literally just Tom King.

675
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom King and everyone's favorite former CIA agent who

676
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Speaker 1: is a comic book creator, and bil Quis Evely's.

677
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Speaker 2: Bilquises Are I just I cannot tell you read this book.

678
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Speaker 1: It's great.

679
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: This bil Quis Everly's are is unbelievable, like many other

680
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Speaker 2: things that Tom kick.

681
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Speaker 1: Sci Fi Supergirl, it is what this is.

682
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Speaker 2: Tom King pitch DC and he said, what if we

683
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Speaker 2: did true Grit but with Supergirl? And Supergirl is not

684
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Speaker 2: the girl asking for help because her family's been killed

685
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Speaker 2: though we know her family died on Krypton. In fact,

686
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: Supergirl is the grizzled, older, drunk who this young girl

687
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Speaker 2: is gonna ask to take on a quest for revenge.

688
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: And it is basically narratively true Grit. But Matt Lopez

689
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Speaker 2: the colorist, and Bill Chris Everly create this swirling cosmos.

690
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: This absolutely wild space Western, and that to me is

691
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Speaker 2: what I think appeals to gun It's Guardians of the

692
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Speaker 2: Galaxy but are rated. It's two women in a Western.

693
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Speaker 2: It's the Last of Us and the Mandalorian. It's these

694
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Speaker 2: lone wolf and cub stories, but here we have the

695
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Speaker 2: centered around two women. And I cannot tell you like

696
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 2: there are in this book. You will not believe it.

697
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: It begins in a high fantasy planet, so everyone speaks

698
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Speaker 2: like they're in lad of Rings. There's all these kind

699
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: of wild monsters and aliens, and Bilkis and Matt bring

700
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: this visual language to it that is just unlike any

701
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Speaker 2: other comic. I I tire of the dark twists that

702
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: Tom King often brings, but I think that Everly and

703
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Speaker 2: Lopez's art makes this something that made me really excited

704
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: when this was on there. It's it's a very interesting take.

705
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Speaker 2: But I will say this is my one thing. I

706
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Speaker 2: wrote a piece about this vi GM. I'll say it here.

707
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Speaker 2: It's not a spoiler because if you don't know what

708
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about, you won't know. But I'm saying, let

709
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Speaker 2: the super Pets live, James Gunn, that's my one change.

710
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: That's one change. That's all I want. Bilkis are and

711
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Speaker 2: let the super Pets live.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, this project I thought was by wrote

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Speaker 1: by our own Rosie, who demanded who demanded that it'd

714
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Speaker 1: be included in the first announcement of the DC Slate folks,

715
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Speaker 1: swamp Thing is here.

716
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Speaker 2: I actually was the outside the Warner Brothers offices every

717
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Speaker 2: day with a sign I swam. I have to say

718
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Speaker 2: thank you. This is no joke, like thank you to

719
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Speaker 2: everyone who messaged me to say congratulations. This was so

720
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Speaker 2: funny that I actually had to do a post about

721
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Speaker 2: it because so many of my friends and so many

722
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Speaker 2: people who listen to the show, and so many people

723
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Speaker 2: who read my work texted me and they were like

724
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Speaker 2: and they DM me and they were like, congratulations, you

725
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Speaker 2: did it, Like swamp Thing is happening. I did a

726
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Speaker 2: poster or I was like, thank you for your congratulations.

727
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: And my sister texted me and was like, did I

728
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: miss something? And I was like, don't worry. It's just

729
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Speaker 2: a swamping movie. I'm not writing it, but I feel

730
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Speaker 2: I feel so close to this movie. I'm very excited.

731
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Speaker 2: If it was up to me, I would say bring

732
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Speaker 2: back James One. I love that Swamp Thing show. I

733
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Speaker 2: know that's not going to happen. I am hearing. I

734
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Speaker 2: think James Mangol did a tweet with Swamp Thing, and

735
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Speaker 2: I think people are thinking that's the way it's going

736
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Speaker 2: to go. James James says it's going to be a

737
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Speaker 2: very dark horror film about the origins of Swamp Thing.

738
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Speaker 2: If you don't know those origins, love it you will,

739
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 2: you will understand it's really really brilliant, strange, esoteric stuff.

740
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: You can start with the original Lemoine stuff, or you

741
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: can skip straight to Sagara swamp Thing, which is Alan Moore.

742
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: There's also a great Current Swamp.

743
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Speaker 1: Iconic the Iconic Ale and that's the stuff you saw.

744
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Speaker 2: My post that where a lot of the images came

745
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Speaker 2: from Right of Spring and stuff like that. There's also

746
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Speaker 2: a great Current Swamp Thing run by Ramby. So I

747
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Speaker 2: would say, I hope that the horror aspect is there,

748
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Speaker 2: but I hope it is sprinkled with some of the

749
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Speaker 2: gothic romance that I believe is the best thing.

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Speaker 1: That's the heart, that's the emotion, the emotional heart of

751
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Speaker 1: swamp because like, yeah, monster in the fucking Swamp, we've

752
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Speaker 1: seen it, but he's there's a human emotional Yeah. The

753
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Speaker 1: heart of Swamp Thing is this longing of the Swamp

754
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Speaker 1: Things for the love that he used to have and

755
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Speaker 1: that he can know.

756
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Speaker 2: Humanity. Yeah, because there's this very brilliant twist on Swamp

757
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Speaker 2: Thing that you won't see coming when you read the books. Also,

758
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Speaker 2: I will say I've said it before, I'll say it again.

759
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: Go and watch the Swamp and Thing TV show that

760
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: was originally on DC Universe. I believe it is more

761
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: than likely on HBO Max now. It is just absolute dynamite.

762
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: Crystal Read from teen Wolf plays Abby and she is

763
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: so brilliant and the practical effects are unbelievable and it

764
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: is just the most wonderful, lovely, romantic, weird, gothic horror show.

765
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: And I know he only got one season, but I

766
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: will always hold it close to my heart. So watch

767
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Speaker 2: that to prepare. But yes, I also really like the

768
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Speaker 2: way James Gunn was like, this is extremely different in

769
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Speaker 2: tone from anything else on this slate, but I just

770
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Speaker 2: had to get it in Mabby and I was like

771
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Speaker 2: I'm ready. Yeah, I was like please, I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: Well, a very exciting announcement. I have to say, you

773
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Speaker 1: can't be anything but excited about what James is attempting

774
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Speaker 1: to do exactly, and I think that it's what has

775
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Speaker 1: been necessary for a long time. And if they can

776
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Speaker 1: pull this off, I think the comics the storytelling space

777
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Speaker 1: is going to be all the best or for it totally.

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Speaker 1: It be really fun if he can do it.

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Speaker 2: I just think it shows the thing we've been saying

780
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Speaker 2: that's most exciting about James and pet being in charge

781
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Speaker 2: of this. These are people who love comics, they get

782
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: they love. This is a lineup of someone who has

783
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: favorite comics that they wanted to adapt to, which we

784
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: rarely see. So I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Up next to the mailbag, we're stepping out of the

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Speaker 1: airlock and into the X ray vision crypt a KA

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Speaker 1: the mail bag. To answer your questions, here's one from Mike.

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Speaker 1: Mike asks, the MMCU is very global. Currently. You have

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Speaker 1: a shang Chi running around in China. You have Leila

790
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: in Egypt. You have Cameron and Red Dagger in Pakistan.

791
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: You have Blade and the Eternals in London and Moonnight

792
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Speaker 1: all over Europe. What are some other global heroes you'd

793
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Speaker 1: like to see in the MCU. I have one that

794
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: he instantly leaves to mind, but you tell me Rosie who.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, this is like my dream question because basically

796
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Speaker 2: getting onto one of when you talk about global characters

797
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: in MCU, getting onto one of mine and Jason's favorite topics,

798
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: aka the X Men. So Colossus, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: that's someone I'd really love to see in the MCU,

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Speaker 2: one of our X Men faves, you know, the Russian

801
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Speaker 2: kind of legend, the huge hunky boy. I love Colossus.

802
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: I mean I would love to see Karma. So you're

803
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Speaker 2: talking about like a Vietnamese character, that would be so wonderful.

804
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: I love Chamber. That's one of my favorite characters. And

805
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: he's from London. I think John Boyeger is my dream

806
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: Chamber casting because I think, like the only thing you

807
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: need about Chamber is that they're from that He's from London,

808
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: so you know, that would be a cool gen X character.

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00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: Basically all of mine are just X Men characters. He's

810
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: from Canada. That's global, It's on the globe, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a I think there's a big space

812
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: for like for like a reconsideration and like a recontextualization

813
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: of like Sunfire to introduce like a Japanese hero. Yeah,

814
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Speaker 2: I would love to see like Money and Penance come in.

815
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: That would be really cool to have like African characters,

816
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: and also to have more again, more weird X Men characters.

817
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: And I do think that I think that's sun Spot,

818
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: like a real version of sun Spot where you do

819
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: the Brazilian character whose father is like a wealthy businessman.

820
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: It opens up all these really interesting spaces into like

821
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: corporate espionage, the Hellfire Club. But also he has one

822
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: of the most interesting origin stories, which is essentially like

823
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: he is a black character who is targeted by racist

824
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: bullies and that is when his powers ignite, you know,

825
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: and his powers are so interesting visually. So yeah, global

826
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Speaker 2: characters aka the X Men introduce them, how about you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of that is great. I could not

828
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Speaker 1: I could not avoid thinking about the late eighties nineties

829
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Speaker 1: era X Men when they were hanging out in Australia

830
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Speaker 1: with Yes, with the Teleporter Gateway. That's another gree Wow.

831
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Speaker 1: I would just love that. But I'll tell you one

832
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: that I think we're gonna I think we're gonna get

833
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: this is Captain Britain and Excalibur. I think we're going

834
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Speaker 1: to get it at some point.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that makes so much sense. I mean with Blade, Yeah,

836
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Speaker 2: with with with you know Kit Harrington, that Black Knight

837
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Speaker 2: is going to become a character in the MCU, That's

838
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Speaker 2: going to be a thing. So I think that makes

839
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Speaker 2: a lot of sense because you get Captain Britain, you

840
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Speaker 2: get excalib but you can do some of that with

841
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: supernatural stuff. Okay, So in the comics at the moment,

842
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: you know, they have this kind of like Betsy Braddock

843
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Speaker 2: Captain Britain. Do you think we could see a version

844
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Speaker 2: like that? Do you think it's like a more traditional

845
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: I think it is.

846
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Speaker 1: I think that's seeding and of course we can't forget.

847
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Speaker 1: Also in Eastern Europe, our friend Bova in Mount Wonder Gore.

848
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Speaker 2: My Darling, my queen. I'm actually gonna you had it

849
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: hip fast. He's a cool exclusive. I'm going to get

850
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: Bova tattoo. Yeah yeah, yeah, so I'll make sure to

851
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Speaker 2: reveal it first. To the listeners of X ray.

852
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Speaker 1: Vision, Blakeney asks what Marvel DC project are you most

853
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Speaker 1: excited for? I which are you most worried about, whether

854
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Speaker 1: that's casting, story, or other factors. Mouth start, I'm I'm

855
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: really excited for the James Gunn era of DC. I

856
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: think he's done some really wise things early on to

857
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Speaker 1: kind of cut the cord to, you know, the kind

858
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Speaker 1: of the more toxic side of the Snyder.

859
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Speaker 2: He's talked about the divisive nature of the fandom and

860
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: how he can't please everyone. I'm excited to see it.

861
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's a person who has proven that

862
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: they have a track record and at point of view

863
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: that works in this space, and I'm really excited to

864
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: see what he's going to do.

865
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: I totally agree. I love that this is somebody who

866
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 2: loves comics. It's also someone who had great and public

867
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: personal growth. I think the Suicide Squad movie that he

868
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: made is an underrated gem that is just going to

869
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: age like a fine wine and is one of the

870
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: most radical superhero movies we've ever seen. I love that

871
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: he came in really hard supporting the Blue Beetle movie,

872
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: which I'm very excited about. Let's keep it DC, because

873
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: we talk about Marvel lot most worried about. I think

874
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: I can probably speak for both of us here, but.

875
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: It's the Flash that's what I'm most worried about.

876
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: I don't mean I want.

877
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: To tell the ways we're worried about you.

878
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 2: It's like I'm worried about it. In general, I'm interested

879
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: in what James is going to how they're going to

880
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: handle that. I think Peter Saffran has made some of

881
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: the best and had a hand in making some of

882
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 2: the best Warner Brothers movies. I love, as everyone knows,

883
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: I love Aquaman, the most profitable DC movie of all time,

884
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: by the way. So I'm very excited. I'm excited to

885
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: see how they handlell this very tough challenge of the Flash.

886
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: Even though I'm worried about the Flash, I think it

887
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: will be an interesting watermark to see how they're going

888
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: to approach it. And I'm hoping because as the reporting

889
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: has been out there is that Ben Affleck is no

890
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: longer going to be in it as Batman, which was

891
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: kind of reported he came in because they people didn't

892
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: understand why Michael Keaton was there. I'm assuming if you're

893
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: James Gun, You're probably going to be like, put Michael

894
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: Keaton back in there. It's Batman, And now that Ben

895
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: Affleck is out, he's going to be involved in maybe

896
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: directing a movie or something. I just think there's a

897
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: lot of interesting options. But I'm really interested because I

898
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: don't want to see Ezra as a flash. Everyone knows that,

899
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: but I do I want to. I'm most worried about

900
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: this inclusive, young version of the Justice League that that

901
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: that had supposedly been setting up with this, you know,

902
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: new Supergirl. I really want to see where that goes,

903
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 2: and I hope something positive can come out of it.

904
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: But I still don't even believe the movie's coming out

905
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: this year.

906
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: That's the rail track. I can't. I don't believe it either.

907
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: Andrew asks, in the spirit of the Last of Us

908
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: and other Lone Wolf and Cub style stories, what ex

909
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: team member would you most trust and least trust to

910
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: babysit your child, niece, nephew, pets or loved one. Well,

911
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: this is easy for me. I think I would. First

912
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: of all, it's Wolverine because he's done it so many times.

913
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 2: Obviously, he is the kid. He's taking the kid.

914
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: You can't count how many times he has done this

915
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: with you know. Power Pack is probably my favorite version

916
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: of this. Remember that one when he's like when he's

917
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: on the run from the Reavers and Lady Death Strike

918
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: and he's like been reduced to his like feral state

919
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: because of like how injured he is, and then they

920
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: come across power Pack, and then he helps them, even

921
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: though because he's just you know, like good to the core,

922
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: even though he is a hardened killer. I think it

923
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: would have to be Wolverine least, trust I don't know.

924
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: Does mister Sinister count as an X Men right now?

925
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: I think you can do it. I think you can

926
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 2: do it.

927
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean like like like Mutant Nation is really united,

928
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: and he has been an important.

929
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: He would probably do an experiment on your child.

930
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: He say what you listen, We've seen he said he would,

931
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: and listen, mister Sinister is on side. He's been an

932
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: important part of the Krakoa era x Men obviously, in

933
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: without him, there would be no resurrection process, you know.

934
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: So I guess I could count him as an x

935
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: Men and thus as an x Men. Mister Sinister, no

936
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: way keeping my pet loved one whoever?

937
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I'm I agree Wolverine was my pick.

938
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go controversial, but I believe it is. I

939
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: do believe it's fat. You know, I never leave my

940
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: kid with e ever, do not put my child in

941
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 2: your baby army. Do not do not send my child

942
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: to your private school, which I probably pay thousands of

943
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: dollars for. And then you're gonna put them in the

944
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: war room. No, thank you. You're not looking after my child.

945
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: The child's gonna end up in a war. This is

946
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 2: gonna be bad. Maybe I'll maybe, maybe I'll let my

947
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: child come and play baseball.

948
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: But this is without even like getting into all the

949
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: times after saying, hey, telepaths, you should, by the way,

950
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: you shouldn't just go into people's minds, don't do that.

951
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: He's every one while he's done it to everybody. Also,

952
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: he's read everybody's minds. He's put mental blocks in everybody's minds.

953
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: He's invasive fucking memory a million. Yeah, he just as well.

954
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: Look, nobody wants to remember this even and this is

955
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: because understandable. It was a bad choice. Stanley. This was

956
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: a bad choice. But let's not forget that early in

957
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: the X Men's original tenure, before the giant size X

958
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: Men which reimagine them and we all love, Charley Xavier

959
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: was creepy on Jane Gray. This is child bet.

960
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: This is one of those things. This is one of

961
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: those moments. It's like X Men number six legitimately where

962
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: it's like.

963
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: I know you was like, don't do this that.

964
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: This is one of those things that I think we've

965
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: all just agreed to pretend that that never happened.

966
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: He's like, how could I ever tell her that I

967
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: am in love?

968
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: Why did this happened? Oh? God, I think that's going

969
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: by the way. Uh. While we're on Charles Xavier, do

970
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: you see I think it's Immortal x Men one of

971
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: the recent Immortal x men's where there's a really cool

972
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: uh uh exchange where Charles is like wondering what would

973
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: have happened had if him and Magnus had like switched

974
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: power sets, like if he was Magneto and Magneto is

975
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier. And he was like, well, i'll tell you what.

976
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: One hundred percent what's happened is all humans would be

977
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: dead because and then he goes into like how he

978
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier could have easily killed on humans. He's like,

979
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, my power allows me to locate mutants, therefore

980
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: I can also locate humans, And it would have just

981
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: been an easy work of about a decade of planting,

982
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, subliminal messages in people's minds causing them to

983
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: not eat, kill themselves, whatever, And it would take about

984
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: ten years and I could kill every single human on Earth.

985
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited, Like they're doing so much good stuff.

986
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: So speaking of I'm glad you brought this up, because

987
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: when you started talking about Mister Sinister, I was thinking

988
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: Marvel's doing this event called Sins of Sinister and Kiaran

989
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: Gillan and Paco Medina they're doing a book called Immoral

990
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: x Men. Yeah, instead of Immortal x Men, and it's

991
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: like ten years in the future and the X Men

992
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: are loved and adored instead of you know, hated and feared.

993
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited to see where that goes. It's

994
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: a great time to be an X Men fan.

995
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: It really is. I would argue there's almost been no

996
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: better time, not in.

997
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: Our age that we can really appreciate it. Like I

998
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: wish if I'd have been this age when you know,

999
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: New X Men was coming out, I probably would have

1000
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: felt the same way.

1001
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: But I was like twelve, They're at the peak of

1002
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: their powers. Kyle asks, Hey, Jason and Rosie. With me

1003
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: wanting to get into comics and X Men being my

1004
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: favor from the original tune, what comic book issue series

1005
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: would you recommend? I start with For further clarification, I'm

1006
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: a black gay man, so obviously I am obsessed with

1007
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: Storm and I watched The Phoenix and Dark Phoenix Saga

1008
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: every three months or so. Oh Rosie, what I got it?

1009
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: So first of all, I'll just say, you love Dark

1010
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 2: Phoenix Saga. Read it. You can get it in a

1011
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: collection Dark Phoenix Saga. It's great, some of the best

1012
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 2: stuff ever, one of the most yeah, just absolutely wild stuff.

1013
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: Wasn't the way it was supposed to go, but you

1014
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: know what, some really great X Men storytelling days a

1015
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: future past. I always say that, we always say this

1016
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: is a great way to start because it's a couple

1017
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: of issues.

1018
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: You can read it early too, it's three issues. For

1019
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: the impact that it has, it flows my mind. Who

1020
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: issued not even like a you couldn't even call it

1021
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: an arc. It's really just like part one Part two, yeah, literally, and.

1022
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: It's had so much impact. It's so iconic. It's got

1023
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: that unbelievable you know cover, and it's just so cool.

1024
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: In a chat with Louis Simonson and I, I discovered

1025
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: that she was the one who came up with the

1026
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: idea of the dead dead dead, like what. It was

1027
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: really cool stuff. Yeah, and for Storm, this is one

1028
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: of my favorite questions. Basically we talk about it a lot.

1029
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: You want to go to Uncanny x Men. There's a

1030
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: few different things that I'm gonna lay out here. There's

1031
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: an arc that's just two issues again, one hundred and

1032
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: seventy Shoes one hundred and seventy three called to Have

1033
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: and Have Not, and that's where Storm changes her whole look.

1034
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: You know where she she she clashed.

1035
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: Makes friendship, she finds an unexpected friend and just changes

1036
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,959
Speaker 2: her look. And Kitty pride so angry. Kitty used to suck.

1037
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: She was always having a bad oppe duel, which is

1038
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: one of my favorite issues that I actually have, which

1039
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: is X Men Uncanny x Men two hour.

1040
00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: Session.

1041
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 2: That's one of the best ever. If you love Storm,

1042
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: that's a great issue.

1043
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: And then No Powers, Baby, No No Powers, No Powers.

1044
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: And speaking of No Powers, Uncanny x Men one eighty six,

1045
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 2: which is Life Death that is kind of the culmination,

1046
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: and it's this really interesting story about Storm and Forge

1047
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: and they're kind of burgeoning relationship, but it has this

1048
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: unbelievably tragic twist to do with Storm losing her powers,

1049
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: so that those would be some great places to start,

1050
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: but as always Uncanny X Men. You can go to

1051
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: Barnes and Nobles and they sell little digests of these

1052
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 2: that are really small, like an archie. You can buy

1053
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: these in trades, you can get them online, you can

1054
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: go to your library and read them. But Kyle, I'm

1055
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: so glad you sent this question because we love Storm.

1056
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: I truly believe Storm. I believe she is the way

1057
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 2: in to the X Men. I think she is your

1058
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 2: premiere X Men character for twenty twenty three. Mcu kind,

1059
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: I have one more to add do.

1060
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 1: Storm is kind of like weirdly sidelined in this one,

1061
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: but she's also like the motivating factor in it. And

1062
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: it's just one of my favorites stories in mutant lore,

1063
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: certainly of the Claremont era. It's it's collected in a

1064
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,959
Speaker 1: graphic novel edition called The as Guardian Wars, which collects

1065
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: X Men and off of Flight one and two, New

1066
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: Mutants Special Edition and X Men Annual Number nine and

1067
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: the Basic Just as this, the New Mutants get sucked

1068
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: into a conflict in Asgard because of the machinations of

1069
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: Loki and the Enchantress Uh and Storm gets wrapped in

1070
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: a two and then the X Men not knowing what's

1071
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: happened to their their charges. The new Mutants then has

1072
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: to charge into Asgard to try and get them out,

1073
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: and it's one spuggling. It's like Art Adams at his

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00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: absolute the bak of his fucking powers. As an incredible

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00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: super adventure, unbelieva are great story. It's just a great one,

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Speaker 1: one of the all time greats from the x MEO.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Matt is asking question. Matt, I'm going to

1078
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: preempt this question by saying thank you because me and

1079
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: Jason talking about this all the time, and I know

1080
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: it's one of our favorite topics. So yeah, let's lay

1081
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: out in a more concrete way. Matt asks, I know

1082
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: that the MCU has influenced some changes in the comics

1083
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: as far as character art and some storylines, et cetera.

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00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: Do you think as the comics and the MCU develop

1085
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: in tandem that comics will start being written in such

1086
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: a way that intends to become part of the MCU.

1087
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: Would there be a world in which a specific storyline

1088
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: or comic art is written with the intent of being

1089
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: the groundwork in which they become MCU Cannon, I'm just

1090
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: going to start quickly by saying, I truly am of

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Speaker 2: the belief that they're already doing this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they already do it. I don't think

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00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: it's a one to one No. I think what they

1094
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: do is they treat I think they treat the comics

1095
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: as a very very active like research development for the movies,

1096
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: seeing what works, what kind of like fun adventures people

1097
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: could go into character characters. Yeah, certainly, Like I think

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00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: they're very strategic in terms of what characters are going

1099
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: to appear in the movies. You start seeing one shots

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00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: and different things happen in the MCU, and we mentioned,

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Speaker 1: we mentioned all the time, uh, the kind of like

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Speaker 1: aborted attempt to raise the inhumans the level of exactly

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00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, what are in them? That was that was

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00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: a direct attempt to fill in for the X Men,

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00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: who at the time Disney didn't own the ip uh

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00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: and by replacing them within humans. So I think you're

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: exactly right, they do it already. They do it already,

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00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: not not not with a direct connection, but I think

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Speaker 1: they they're clearly very strategic about the comics stories they released,

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Speaker 1: the characters who they spotlight, et cetera.

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01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: I think they see the comics as almost like a

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01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: way to introduce ideas and characters back into the mindset

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Speaker 2: of the fans. Think about our wonderful number one best

1114
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: Bud Cody Ziggler and spider Punk. Cody's been absolutely smashing

1115
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: it reintroducing spider Punk to people, and then we find

1116
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: out spider Punk is going to be in the news.

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Speaker 2: It's like, so it's those little things that we can

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Speaker 2: get seeding that's my thing. Yet they are they seeding

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Speaker 2: something in the comics to the MCU Eve viewing another

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Speaker 2: incredible friend of the pod. Wow, we're so lucky. Eve

1121
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: has a brilliant new Monica Rambo Photon. It's not a

1122
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 2: coincidence that Monica is highlighted in the book with that

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Speaker 2: title Photon right now before the Marvels. So these things

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01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 2: are there now. What I think is interesting is Kevin

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Speaker 2: Feigey is in charge of like publishing operations, I believe now.

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Speaker 2: So what I will be interested to see is will

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Speaker 2: there be a world where it's less about seeding and hinting,

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Speaker 2: and will there be a world where there's an MCU

1129
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: line of comics or there's a direct, more textual connection.

1130
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Speaker 2: That's what I think the next evolution could be and

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01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: I'd be very interested to see if that happened.

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Speaker 1: X Ray Vision will be back and we're back, Jacob

1133
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: asks with James Gunn taking over DC and with a

1134
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Speaker 1: younger Superman. Is it officially New fifty two time? Now?

1135
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Speaker 1: Okay for those not verse contra the DC comics, So

1136
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: both Marvel and DC around the same time, I want

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Speaker 1: to say, like six or seven years ago old.

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Speaker 2: It was in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's terrific. Twelve years ago rebooted their

1140
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Speaker 1: entire line. In Marvel, it was called Heroes Reborn. In

1141
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 1: DC it was called the New fifty two. Basically all

1142
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: the fifty two titles were rebooted and started fresh.

1143
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Speaker 2: They stripped down everything and really relaunched with only fifty

1144
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: two titles. Look, it is one of the most influential

1145
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 2: for all its controversy. It's one of the most influential

1146
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: comic book situations of all time, follows the conclusion of Flashpoint,

1147
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: which obviously is now like such an influential thing. Out

1148
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: of it, there are so many books that people love

1149
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: and choices and characters were completely reimagined. But it was

1150
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: very controversial, as all kind of line wide readbooks.

1151
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Speaker 1: The Markle stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Marvel opened up Marvel now, which is

1153
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: some of my favorite stuff. Young Avengers miss Marvel, all

1154
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: of that stuff. DC. This was really like it was

1155
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: really a super It's hard to express how much of

1156
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 2: a big deal it was.

1157
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: It was a huge deal and it happened, And like

1158
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: many DC events, it was an attempt to kind of

1159
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: streamline the the kind of just very very overgrown overlapping and.

1160
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 2: For people, make it easier for people to jump on.

1161
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: It's always about just jumping on point.

1162
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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I did, jump on and

1163
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I thought it was great. I had

1164
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Speaker 1: a good time with it.

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Speaker 2: Would we now? I'm very interested. This is a great point.

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if Young Superman hints at kind

1167
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: of New fifty two, but James Gunn has recently been

1168
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Speaker 2: reading Grant Morrison's Batman and Robin. I do think this

1169
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: is an era we Jim Lee is like such a

1170
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Speaker 2: huge icon who is such a big part of the

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Speaker 2: New fifty two kind of era, And I do think

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Speaker 2: we could be seeing people looking back to this almost

1173
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: as like we said, you know, twelve years ago, this

1174
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Speaker 2: is historical now, this is kind of like people in

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Speaker 2: when they were making the two thousand and xt Me

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01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 2: movie looking back to the eighties, like we're really you know,

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Speaker 2: I think New fifty two could be a touch point.

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Speaker 2: I don't ever think they're going to say it's directly

1179
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Speaker 2: inspired by the New fifty two, because I do think

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Speaker 2: it's so controversial, but I do think that already, for example,

1181
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: not necessarily like the greatest example, but the fact to

1182
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 2: say this is a point in proof that people are

1183
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: looking at it. The version of Black Adam and the

1184
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: comics they were drawing from was very directly from the

1185
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Speaker 2: New fifty two y Shazam, that which I love, and

1186
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: I'm really excited for the next one, that New fifty two.

1187
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 2: So we're already seeing characters seeded in the previous DCEU

1188
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: flashpoint New fifty two prior to but around the same time.

1189
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Speaker 2: I think that there's a version where the New fifty

1190
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: two is incredibly influential on this. But I will also

1191
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: say James Gunn is a stone cold weirdo like us,

1192
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: and so I think we're also going to be getting

1193
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: some weirder, more deep cut you know. I could imagine

1194
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: him doing like a Batman inc you know.

1195
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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 2: Kind of stuff. So yeah, I'm very interested to see

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Speaker 2: where it goes. But will we ever see a movie

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Speaker 2: called New fifty two or an allusion to it? I

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Speaker 2: don't know. It would be a brave It will be

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Speaker 2: a bold move, I will say it.

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01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: In terms of broad storylines, it's kind of a natural

1202
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,479
Speaker 1: starting point if you want to, in terms of where

1203
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: to start stories and contemporary stories, contemporary stories that are

1204
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: grounded in today's world, not like with you know, Superman

1205
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: appearing in the fucking sixties or somethhit like that. So

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Speaker 1: I think it. I think it makes a lot of sense,

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Speaker 1: maybe not as a one to one adaptation, but of

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01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: kind of spiritual adaptation to say, okay, new ownership, in

1209
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Speaker 1: new creative direction, We're going to New fifty two, this

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Speaker 1: film universe. I think that's why I think.

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Speaker 2: People within DC, I'm Warner Brothers may be using that

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Speaker 2: phrase as you just used it. Yes, I believe it, Okay, Tyrannosaurus.

1213
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Speaker 2: Greg asks a wonderful, truly wonderful question, would you want

1214
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: a Star Wars what if animated series?

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01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: Wow?

1216
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: And if so, what would you want the first season

1217
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: to be? Like? What would some ideas be of stories

1218
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: that you would want to see.

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01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: Anakin kills Palpatine right away and becomes emperor.

1220
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: Oh I love that. Okay, mine would because one of

1221
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 2: my first ones is like the it's like the the

1222
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: coin flip of that, which is what if Padme never died?

1223
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 4: Oh?

1224
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.

1225
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Speaker 2: Those two would be so good. What if what if

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Speaker 2: Anakin killed Palpatine and what if Padme never died? I'd

1227
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Speaker 2: like to see both.

1228
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Speaker 1: That would be really cool. Yeah, and under in my imagination,

1229
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: Anakin it kills Palpatine, he gets his kids and he

1230
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: raises them as dark sis. I love that while ruling

1231
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: the galaxy that is so hatred and fear in his heart.

1232
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Speaker 2: I think that's the most exciting thing about what if

1233
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: one imagine if they came at it with the esthetic

1234
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: sensibilities of visions, so it looks different. It's but there's

1235
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 2: so many options. Like obviously I'm our old school, I'm

1236
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 2: like an old head, I'm I'm an old person. So

1237
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: like my first thought was like, what if Layer and

1238
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: hands kids were Jana Solo and Jason Solo and you

1239
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: have like the Legends stuff, and instead of Ben being

1240
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 2: kind of a Jason, you actually get to see that

1241
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: Legends canon brought to life in a more contemporary way.

1242
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 2: I would also be like a what if Finn and

1243
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: Poe fell in love? Like why not do it? It's animated, like,

1244
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: let us have fun. I think that's the power of

1245
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: what if is you can do so much. You could

1246
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: do the smallest little story, and then you could do

1247
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: like the most expansive, huge canon changing moments like this

1248
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 2: idea of Anakin. I love that him raising the kids,

1249
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: like that, getting see a real dark Luk.

1250
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, what if all we Wan didn't die on

1251
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 1: the desk?

1252
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 2: Oh? Imagine you could have a lot of fun? Uh

1253
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 2: what yeah? No? Another legends what I do? Like what

1254
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: if Luke met Mara Jade just so we could see

1255
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 2: so we get sad? Yeah? I mean there's so there's

1256
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: so many incredible ones. I love that we if obi

1257
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: Wan didn't die, I mean that you could do ten

1258
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 2: seasons of Star of Star Wars.

1259
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Speaker 1: What you really could? You know if there was and

1260
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: there is? Well, I was about to say there is no.

1261
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: I was about to say there's no kind of like

1262
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: multiverse kind of effect in Star Wars, but then I

1263
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: remembered rebels, the world between worlds or oh my god,

1264
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: that one of those, So like, let's put a pin

1265
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: in that maybe there is, but God, that would be

1266
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: really fun. That's a really cool idea to Rennosaurus, Greg.

1267
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tynasaurs, Greg, get Disney to pay you for that one,

1268
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 2: because that's that's primo.

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01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: Isabelle Thunderwood asks how much of Marv's funeral procession this

1270
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: is from and or going early was a communal, coordinated

1271
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: effort to support cast rescuing bis did Pegland cast agree

1272
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: to meet the shipyard and set that escape up? Or

1273
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: how much was an expression of how individuals spiritually aligned

1274
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: will ultimately cross paths and entwine. I think the way

1275
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: I read it was it wasn't a conscious effort on

1276
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: anybody's part, but it was, and I think this is

1277
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: supported by the themes of the story and the things that

1278
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: we saw. I think it was an expression of people

1279
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: were at their breaking point. They were fed up. A

1280
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,839
Speaker 1: beloved member of their community had been had been pounded

1281
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: to her death, you know, and many members of their

1282
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Speaker 1: community had been oppressed in prison. She said, yeah, so

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Speaker 1: many people. And whether or not it was a conscious

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Speaker 1: effort to cause a distraction for and or to rescue Bicks,

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Speaker 1: which I don't believe. I think what it was was

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Speaker 1: people were just had had enough. People were just had

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Speaker 1: had enough, and they were they were like sticking their

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01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: chin out hoping that the Empire would take a swim

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Speaker 1: because they had just had enough and they were ready

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Speaker 1: to fight at that point in time.

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Speaker 2: I love that, And actually Elizabell's like the way that

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Speaker 2: she posed this question actually just made me have a

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Speaker 2: thought as well. We talked a lot about how the

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Speaker 2: Force is not really something we see in action in

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Speaker 2: a way that we understand it. No one's lifting rocks,

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Speaker 2: you know, no one's doing But I kind of love

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Speaker 2: this idea of some kind of almost like unconscious solidarity

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Speaker 2: where everyone the Force was allowing these things to happen

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Speaker 2: in these moments because, like you said, everyone was aligned,

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Speaker 2: they knew what they wanted. They were at their breaking point,

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Speaker 2: and the right thing to bring balance to the universe,

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Speaker 2: to bring balance to the Force, to bring balance to Pherics,

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Speaker 2: was for this to happen. So I really love that.

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Speaker 2: I love thinking about that kind of stuff because the

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01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 2: show seems so grounded, but we know what world it

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Speaker 2: exists in, so I love that idea. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there was no no one was there with blueprints. No

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Speaker 2: one was like texting each other. This was somebody. This

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01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 2: was that connection of people at their last moment. And

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Speaker 2: maybe there was something a little bit more that allowed

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Speaker 2: every little thing to happen as it did. But yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: what a great question, what a great show. I was

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Speaker 2: just thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: There's also something Shakespearean about it, you know, like Julius Caesar.

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:35,560
Speaker 1: How how mark Antony and Brutus make their speeches. And

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Speaker 1: Brutus goes first basically saying, hey, you know, I loved Caesar.

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01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: He was a great guy, but you know, he got

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01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: a little too big in the head, and unfortunately we

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01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: had to take them down. And then Mark Antony does

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01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: this emotional appeal appeal at just the right time, pointing

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: out the kind of incongruities between what Brutus said and

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01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: the way Julius Caesar had acted towards the people who

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Speaker 1: were who he was beloved of. And I think that

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Speaker 1: there's something of that in this funeral procession, in particular,

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Speaker 1: how Marva's speech appears at the perfect time when everybody

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01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: was at that emotional tenor to go over the edge

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Speaker 1: and do whatever and just act out. There was no

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01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: you know, there was no like and then we'll overthrow

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01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: the empire and then we'll storm. It was just like,

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 1: fuck these guys, Yeah, we've had enough. And when Marva

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01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: basically gave them the okay that like, it's okay to

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01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: fight for freedom, it's okay to do what's right on paraphrasing,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I think that message showed up at

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01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: just the right time. And yeah, I think to your point,

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Speaker 1: maybe something else was at play there. Yeah, Sheabugin asks

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Speaker 1: how much of a shot do you give everything everywhere,

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Speaker 1: all at once of taking home Best Picture at the Oscars.

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Speaker 1: I give it like zero chance. But I was delighted

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Speaker 1: to see it. I think it's very clear to me

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01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: from the movies that were nominated that one of the

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01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: things the Oscars are trying desperately to do is to

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01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,879
Speaker 1: elevate movies that were popular movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is I will say. The thing

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01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 2: that's kind of blowing my mind is that this is

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01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 2: probably one of the first times where there's two of

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01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 2: the biggest movies of the year and of all time

1347
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 2: in the Best Picture Top Gun and Avatar. Notably not

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01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 2: on years when they didn't nominate those on years when

1349
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 2: it was superhero movies, but you know, they've got a

1350
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 2: thing about genre. But so I think you're right. I

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Speaker 2: would love to see it take Best Picture. I think

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: it's a long shot, but I do think that Daniels

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01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 2: for Best Director is I think they might. I think

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01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 2: they'll probably get that and screenplay, but not Best Picture.

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Speaker 1: But I hope.

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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna I think they have a good

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01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 2: chance of sweeping the acting norms. And I think Kikwan

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Speaker 2: is a I think that's a shoe in.

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01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: I think that's a shoeing too. I think it's gonna

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01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: be I just can't imagine top Gun Africatic Best Picture,

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01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: no way.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be the faith Woman's or something.

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01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be all quiet on the Western front.

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01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: It's a it's a classic war movie, which the Academy loves,

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01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: and it's coming. Yeah, it's and you know, I think

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01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: it'll be that Elvis is too weird. Sharon was good,

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: but I can't imagine it's too small as well.

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Speaker 2: I think Austin Butler does have a good chance for Elvis.

1369
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 2: I never expected it, but I think that's your Yeah,

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01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,799
Speaker 2: it's such a it's such a wild Year, but eleven

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Speaker 2: nominations for everything everywhere, all at once. By the way,

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 2: much does I have listened to the chat that we

1373
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: had with the Daniels and and and just send them

1374
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 2: some good vibes because they were freaked out. They deserve

1375
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: a year ago when this movie was a hit, and

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01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 2: now it has eleven nominations, and I'm sure they're stressed.

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01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: And by the way, shouts to uh Austin Butler of

1378
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: Wizards of Waverley Place fame, Yes would come up by

1379
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 1: my guy, love that Matt Ces. If you had Amazon

1380
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: level money to throw it the on screen adaptation of

1381
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: your choice be a book series, comic run, or remake

1382
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: of an old movie or show, what would it be? Personally?

1383
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: I choose Robin Hobbes' Realm of the Elderlings books. Oh gosh,

1384
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: what would you what would you do?

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01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 2: This is like such a hard question that for years

1386
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: my answer would have been, uh, you know, Love and Rockets,

1387
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 2: which everyone knows is one of my all time favorite

1388
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: comic books. But I truly do believes as a grow older,

1389
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: I believe that is in its already in the best

1390
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: form it will ever be in, which is as a

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01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 2: comic book. So I'm taking it off. So I'm going

1392
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: to say this is a newer book. I'd love to

1393
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 2: shout out if you listen to the podcast, you've heard

1394
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: it here before. But there is a manga by Komomi

1395
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 2: shia Hama called wich Hat Italia. It's like if the

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01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 2: most beautiful, intricate mar story about magic was drawn by

1397
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 2: somebody who loved Ur Adams, And it's about a young

1398
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: girl who wants to learn magic and uncovers the secret

1399
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 2: of magic accidentally in a world where only certain people

1400
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 2: know it and has to go and study it. Is

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01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: honestly one of the best comics I've ever read in

1402
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 2: my whole life. There's about nine. I think the tenth

1403
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 2: book just came out. I think they are making an anime,

1404
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 2: but I would love to see like a billion dollar

1405
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 2: adaptation of that book brought to life in a way

1406
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 2: that could represent the beauty of the art and the

1407
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 2: kind of cozy magic of the storytelling. What would yoursby.

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01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: Gosh, it's really hard, right, but I gosh, I'm going

1409
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: to pick a book that I just read, The Black

1410
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 1: Tongue Thief by Christopher Buelman. Now there's only one. The

1411
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: one story was published in twenty twenty one, so there's

1412
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: only the one book, and it's unclear if he will

1413
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: ever go back to the world world. But it is

1414
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: a book that really knocked me out, and it has

1415
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: like such a fully realized fun world involving magic, but

1416
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: magic that is tightly controlled by guilds. And these guilds

1417
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: are corrupt, and it's unclear how far their influence actually

1418
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: runs and whether they are behind the scenes pulling the

1419
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: strings of different things that are happening. This story takes

1420
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: place in the kind of aftermath of these long running

1421
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: and devastating wars against goblins that ended that devastated humanity

1422
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: basically caused all horses to go extinct, many other had

1423
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: caused various other plagues, and humanity is just kind of

1424
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: getting on its feet. And as that is happening, one

1425
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: of the cities on the periphery is attacked by giants.

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01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: Now important fact is this is a city that had

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01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,759
Speaker 1: kind of ejected the Takers Guild, which is the guild

1428
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: of thieves and the and the Magicians Guild from their territories,

1429
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: meaning it was guild free, so you could be an

1430
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: independent magician or an independent thief working there. But you couldn't.

1431
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: There's no guild activities there, So what does this mean?

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01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: Who is doing this?

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01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 3: Uh?

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01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: And it's all told from the perspective of this thief

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01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: named Kinschna Shanek, who is just a wonderful, unreliable narrator.

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01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: It's like just such a it's such a really really

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01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: gripping and swashbuckling read that is is really really fun

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01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: and wonderful and some of the best use of magic

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01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: of that I've read lately.

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01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: It's great, sounds amazing. In today's nerd out what you

1441
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 2: tell us, what you love and why, or a theory

1442
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 2: that you're excited to share. Sarah pictures us on the

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01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 2: beloved tabletop RPG Dungeons and Dragons from Crookedmedia started its

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01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: own Dungeons and Dragons campaign recently, which includes super producer Soul,

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 2: which means when the Dungeons and Dragon movie comes out,

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01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 2: Soul's gonna have to come on and talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Sarah, and I'm here to pitch you on

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01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 4: Dungeons and Dragons. It may seem like everyone knows about

1449
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 4: D and D these days, but I'm a woman in

1450
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 4: my thirties and it was only in my thirties that

1451
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 4: I first discovered it. Shout out to my sister if

1452
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 4: you're unfamiliar with the game. It's a multiplayer role playing

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01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 4: game which focuses on teamwork and storytelling. You play as

1454
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 4: a singular character with a fantasy race like an Elf,

1455
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 4: and class like a wizard, who teams up with an

1456
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 4: unlikely band of heroes and faces challenges from paying the

1457
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 4: bar tab displaying dragons. You can embody absolutely any character

1458
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 4: you like, exploring different genders and identities, and form lifelong

1459
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:05,560
Speaker 4: bonds with the other players. It's an absolute feast for creativity,

1460
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 4: allowing you to build genuinely transferable problem solving skills and

1461
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 4: quick thinking. Empathy, daring, and math are just a few

1462
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 4: things you can learn at a D and D table.

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01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 4: As a woman in my thirties, I've found today's players

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01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 4: to be a welcoming and inclusive group, and I'm going

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01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 4: to encourage anyone who's sitting on the fence to give

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01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 4: it a try. If you're looking for content to get

1467
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 4: you into it, The Juggernaut is critical role for good reason,

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01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 4: but some other great content is not. Another D and

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01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 4: D podcast, The Adventure Zone podcast, Rude Tales of Magic

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01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 4: podcast and Dimension twenty. I hope you find boundless excitement

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01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 4: and entertainment within the many worlds of D and D.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sarah. If you have theories or passions you

1473
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 2: want to share, hit us up extra at croocket dot com.

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Speaker 2: Instructions as always are in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: That's it for us, Rosie any plugs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me Rosie marks on letterbox and Instagram.

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01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 2: You will be able to read some of my storm

1478
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 2: stories about these things that we're talking about. I've written

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01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 2: at IGN about a couple of these big DC news.

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01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have some other core stuff coming out soon,

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01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 2: and obviously ant Man's coming up, baby, so get ready

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01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 2: for those anti takes. There's gonna be ants.

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Speaker 1: Next episode is Wednesday, February eighth for more of the

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Speaker 1: Last of Us, and remember two episodes a week now

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Speaker 1: two episodes week Wednesdays and Fridays. In your ear holes.

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Speaker 2: ear holes and see them through your eyeholes, subscribe on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: where you can now watch four episodes.

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Speaker 1: Of the show.

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Speaker 2: You may even see me and Jason in the studio

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Speaker 2: looking so dashing in our brightly colored clothes and core

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Speaker 2: t shirt. Please follow us at XSRV pod on Twitter,

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Speaker 2: where we're always sharing cool stuff and responding to our

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Speaker 2: wonderful lists. And speaking of wonderful listeners, check out our discord.

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Speaker 2: It is such a cool community. I didn't have Discord

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Speaker 2: before this, but it's lovely. We got all kinds of

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Speaker 2: different cool spaces, lots of funny interactions, theories, thoughts in that,

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Speaker 2: just generally good stuff.

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Speaker 1: And if you're a fan of the Last of Us

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Speaker 1: and are wondering what we could do to possibly make

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Speaker 1: you join the discord, We're doing really cool giveaway in

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Speaker 1: the discord for Discord members. It's a Last of Us

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Speaker 1: Activation pack, Last of Us branded gear, including a backpack

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Speaker 1: including a car heart jacket and more. Join the Discord

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Speaker 1: to find out about it. We'll be doing the draw

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Speaker 1: for who gets that really cool Last of Us Activation

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Speaker 1: pack next week. Five star ratings, five fives. We need them,

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Speaker 1: we need them, we gotta have them. Here's caru X

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Speaker 1: five stars only that's right, Caren. It was either that

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Speaker 1: or no stars, Jason said, didn't leave me much of

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Speaker 1: a choice. Listen, thank you to do it, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. X ray Vision is a crooked media production.

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Speaker 1: The show is produced by Chris Lordon sal Rubin. The

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Speaker 1: show is executive produced by myself and Sandy's Rohard Are

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Speaker 1: Editing in sound design News by the Fascilla's Fatopoulos. Delon

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Speaker 1: Villanueva and Matt Degroup provide video production support. Alex Rella

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Speaker 1: for to handle social media. Thank you Brian Vasquez for

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Speaker 1: a theme music That's it for us. Bye, next time.