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Speaker 2: Bold Reverence, and occasionally randomed The Sunday Hang with Playing

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Speaker 3: It starts now.

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Speaker 2: I'm drinking my Crocket Coffee Buck. I had a late

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Speaker 2: night and an early morning. I was watching White Lotus

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Speaker 2: Season two sorry, season three episode?

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Speaker 1: What do we think about that first episode? I think

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Speaker 1: you might redeem yourself here. It was almost on the

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Speaker 1: It was a bad first episode. Second episode was good.

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Speaker 1: I watched it last night. I have no idea how

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Speaker 1: many of you watch. There have been three seasons. It's

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Speaker 1: a murder mystery on HBO about privileged, rich people who

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Speaker 1: go away on vacation and you try to find out

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Speaker 1: who died. That's the story in essence. I'm glad the

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Speaker 1: second because Carry and I had that one slated for

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Speaker 1: this weekend. But the first episode was was was trash.

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Speaker 1: So you recognize that, Clay, there's hope for you. You

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Speaker 1: reconnize episode was trash. So there we go.

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Speaker 2: I want all of you out there to go to

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Speaker 2: you have phenomenal taste as some of you do. Uh,

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Speaker 2: This is truck driver Jeff Man of the people Spectacular

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Speaker 2: Taste in film.

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Speaker 3: He has sent us a message and here is what

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Speaker 3: he had to say. Hey guys, this is a Jeff,

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Speaker 3: a truck driver from Missouri.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to say I took Clay's advice and

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Speaker 2: watched AXLF last night.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was pretty good myself.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you were thinking, Buck, but hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, everyone has their own taste.

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Speaker 1: Well there you go, Jeff. I love you, sir. You're

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Speaker 1: a great American and a patriot. But I think you're off.

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Speaker 1: I think you've hit the wrong interstate on this one.

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Speaker 1: Maybe uh maybe it cuts somebody off and uh they

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Speaker 1: gotten a little bit of a wreck. Because I think

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Speaker 1: I think you're you're off off the mark on this one.

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Speaker 3: I will raise you.

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Speaker 1: Listener, Rick from Mississippi, This is talkback CC. Just have

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Speaker 1: to say I disagree with clayon and one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: agree with Buck at Beverly Hills cop the new one

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Speaker 1: was trash compared to the originals. I first listener, Rick

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Speaker 2: Truck that we have dueling truck drivers over whether axelf

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Speaker 2: was good or not. And as I've always said, Missouri

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Speaker 2: truck drivers far more trustworthy the Mississippi truck drivers.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe he's throwing Mississippi truckers under the bus

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Speaker 1: like this just Forlouri.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows Missouri truck drivers have great taste. Mississippi truck

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Speaker 3: Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: The cultural shift is somewhat apparent here in a few ways.

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Speaker 1: And I mean that in terms of the pop culture shift.

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Speaker 1: There's a show White Lotus, which I think some of

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Speaker 2: What percentage of our audience do you think has watched

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Speaker 2: season one, season two, or season three of White Lotus?

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Speaker 1: Oh, ten percent or less?

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Speaker 3: I would think probably. I think that's I think that's accurate.

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Speaker 1: Actually, hit Me and Buck on social I would be

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Speaker 1: curious if you have watched this, because I do think

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Speaker 3: So there are three women.

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Speaker 1: The concept of the show is pretty straightforward, super luxury

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Speaker 3: Right, if you're in a super luxury resort, a murder

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Speaker 1: Because this HBO, which is a very left wing channel,

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Speaker 1: We both watched this show because our wives like the

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Speaker 3: I didn't know you went to church. Oh yeah, we

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Speaker 3: Is that weird for you?

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Speaker 3: They're nice people, really good families, cool, But do you

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm going to get awkward? Why would it? Because wait,

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Speaker 3: Now? I'm an independent? But Davis an independent?

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Speaker 1: Though? Did you? Are we really going to talk about

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Speaker 1: I have had versions of that dislike that is exactly

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Speaker 3: And that was the end. There was no second date.

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Speaker 2: This is probably the most popular show for entertainment people

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Speaker 2: They're not playing the Trump voter as the cheap laughs,

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Speaker 1: They're not going they're not going Tom Hanks from SNL

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Speaker 3: But the Trump voter is the most at least in

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Speaker 1: Now, there's more episodes to come, and for all we know,

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Speaker 2: You know this, you could end up being the killer.

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Speaker 2: They could still you know, the awful, deranged Trump supporter.

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Speaker 1: But but the way they nailed the they nailed the

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