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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A D four VD David Burke Defense Bob Shell teen Girls.

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Speaker 2: Celeste wasn't killed by anyone, then how does she end

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Speaker 2: up dead and dismembered and D four VD Burke's tesla?

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Speaker 2: How does that happen?

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Speaker 1: Am I hearing now that no one will be held

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Speaker 1: accountable for this little girl's death and dismemberment, much less

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Speaker 1: leaving her out in.

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Speaker 2: The hot weather in a car trunk to rot. I'm

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. A dead body in your

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Speaker 2: trunk can really hurt your reputation.

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Speaker 1: Did he ever report his tesla missing? Absolutely not? Okay,

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Speaker 1: did he ever report Celeste missing?

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Speaker 2: We know?

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Speaker 1: Is this real?

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Speaker 2: Has this enormous gift to the defense just dropped into

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Speaker 2: their lap? It all goes to a myriad of pill

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Speaker 2: bottles found in D four vdaka David Anthony Burke's home.

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Speaker 1: A myriad of pill.

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Speaker 2: Bottles belonging to we here, to a myriad of people

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Speaker 2: that we're living there, in and out and in and out.

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Speaker 2: Based on those pill bottles and so far a lack

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Speaker 2: of a CEOD cause of death, does this mean no

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Speaker 2: one will answer up for a dead teen girl decomposing

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Speaker 2: in a hot car trunk.

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Speaker 1: Listen. Bottles of prescription.

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Speaker 3: Pain medication and drug pair of fenilia are recovered inside

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Speaker 3: the home, not by LAPD but by Steve Fisher. Sure

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Speaker 3: the LAPD did not publicly disclose finding prescription drugs or

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Speaker 3: drug pair ferinalia. Other people were staying there as well,

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Speaker 3: men and women, their personal belongings in guest bedrooms, bathroom cabinets,

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Speaker 3: and bedside tables.

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Speaker 1: A neighbor reported seeing Celeste sitting.

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Speaker 3: On the curb in front of the house as if

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Speaker 3: she was waiting for someone to let her inside.

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Speaker 1: What does it all mean?

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Speaker 2: We know, based on neighbor accounts and war that Celeste

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Speaker 2: was living in the home of David Anthony Burke AKAD

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Speaker 2: four VD. He says David straight out to special guest

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Speaker 2: Steve Fisher, joining us missing person's private investigator, search and

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Speaker 2: rescue specialist, owner of Search Investigation who is hired by

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Speaker 2: the owner of Burke's mansion. Now, I want to get

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Speaker 2: to the fact that there is no cod right now

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Speaker 2: in my experience, a to psychology report, a screening would

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Speaker 2: have come back by now, which Lee make concerns Steve

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Speaker 2: Fisher that we're not going to get an accurate toxicology report.

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Speaker 2: Why because she basically baked and melted in that Tesla trunk.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the pill bottles, the numerous pill bottles

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Speaker 2: scattering the four vd's mansion.

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Speaker 4: When they moved out of the house, they took what

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Speaker 4: they took, they left the rest behind, and we found

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Speaker 4: opiate prescription medications. Now I can't say that they weren't

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Speaker 4: taking these as prescribed, but there was you know, several

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Speaker 4: bottles of them in the house.

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Speaker 5: And there's other you know, pervormentalia that can be for

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Speaker 5: recreational drugs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, stop stop, probably there, Steve, Steve, Okay, you're on

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Speaker 2: crime stories. There's no wiggle room when you say drug paraphernalia.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean? Please be specific.

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Speaker 4: There was a there was items that can use for

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Speaker 4: like vaping, uh you know, not just like tobacco, but

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Speaker 4: also other you know items, and there was many of them,

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Speaker 4: and then also you know, like uh, smoking pipes.

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Speaker 2: And don't worry, see, I understand you're not saying that's

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Speaker 2: what the drug paraphernalia was used for. I simply asked you,

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Speaker 2: let me rephrase it for you. What you found I'm

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Speaker 2: not asking you who it belonged to, who used it,

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Speaker 2: or how it was used. So one, two, three, what

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Speaker 2: did you find? Steve Fisher and D four VD David

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Speaker 2: Anthony Burk's rented mansion specifically, So there.

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Speaker 5: Was opiate prescription medication.

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Speaker 4: Uh, there was a few bottels of that, and then

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Speaker 4: there was perphernalia they used to smoke different types of drugs.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's not for you know, one type. It's

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Speaker 4: something you find in a smoke shop, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Okay. Op Opiates can mean any number of things.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner, Ran County,

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Speaker 2: that's Fort Worth. He is an esteemed lecturer at the

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Speaker 2: Mernet School of Medicine at TCU, and he's a star

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Speaker 2: of a hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue. Doctor Crowns,

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Speaker 2: please simply put when I'm hearing opiates are found in

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Speaker 2: the home, what could that consist of?

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Speaker 1: What is an opiate?

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Speaker 6: And opiate is a classification of drugs that are like

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Speaker 6: painkillers that can be heroin, morphine, fentanyl, hydrocodone, oxycodone, and

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Speaker 6: anything in those kind of categories. So opiates is a

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Speaker 6: broad term that you can then take that generalized term

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Speaker 6: like fentanyl or heroin by doing toxicologic testing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so opiate's found in the home.

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Speaker 2: And when Steve Fischer goes out of his way to

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Speaker 2: say that they were prescriptioned, that's good because we're going

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Speaker 2: to have names on those pill bottles, Steve Fisher, without

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Speaker 2: divulging names, were their names on the pill bottles of opiates?

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Speaker 4: They were and then they were hyder Codon, they were

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Speaker 4: lower Tab, generic, Lord Tab of opiates pain killers.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now, now for some reason you've loosened up and you're

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Speaker 2: telling me what you found, Laura tab and oxy. Okay

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Speaker 2: to doctor Kendall Crown's, isn't it true that typically you

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Speaker 2: can get opiates by prescription or you can just get

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Speaker 2: them on the street.

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Speaker 6: Yes, so you can get them either way. Prescription or

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Speaker 6: purchasing them off the street is a fine way of

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Speaker 6: getting them. Usually, prescription medications are fairly easily to get

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Speaker 6: a hold up from doctors and pain management doctors.

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Speaker 2: Especially to Luke Kenton, joining a senior investigative reporter with

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Speaker 2: Daily Mail, Luke Kenton, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: You see where I'm going with this, right, Luke, if

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Speaker 2: there weren't multiple pill bottles of opius, and you know,

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Speaker 2: from what I've seen, and it hasn't all made it

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Speaker 2: into mainstream media, there were a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: Core group living there, but a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of people in and out of Burke's home. There were

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Speaker 2: a lot of pill bottles reportedly in Burke's home. Where

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Speaker 2: I'm going with this is if we don't get a

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Speaker 2: cod cause of death, if she's too decomposed to get

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Speaker 2: a good toxicology.

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Speaker 1: Screen, the argument is going to be Luke Kenton. Oh, she.

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Speaker 2: Voluntarily, all on her own, just gobbled down a bunch

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Speaker 2: of opiates as she died. That's how she died. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: we had nothing to do with it, and then out

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Speaker 2: of fear, we hit her body. That's where this is

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Speaker 2: going Kenton.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it speaks to the complicated nature of

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Speaker 7: this investigation as it stands. You know, when the story

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Speaker 7: you thought, okay, slam dunk arrest. Much more information that

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Speaker 7: we don't currently have, and chief among that is a

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Speaker 7: concrete timeline we don't even know really when Celeste was

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Speaker 7: last seen alive. We don't know how long she was

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Speaker 7: know how she does and it's unclear if we're even

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Speaker 2: Do you have any idea, Luke Kinton, who the people

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Speaker 2: were going in and out? It was like Grand Central

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Speaker 2: station at Burke's mansion, and who were the core people

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Speaker 2: actually living there? Any idea on that? Had they been identified,

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Speaker 2: and that has just not been released.

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Speaker 1: They haven't been publicly named.

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Speaker 7: There has been obviously, as I'm sure you're a where

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Speaker 7: a lot of online sleuthing going on around this case

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Speaker 7: and trying to piece to gather the blanks that the

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Speaker 7: LAPD aren't currently filling in for us publicly. Some of

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Speaker 7: these individuals and I can't speak to the people that

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Speaker 7: may or may not have been living at the home,

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Speaker 7: but there was a group that David was often seen

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Speaker 7: with in social media. On social media, one close friend

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Speaker 7: in particular that a kid to be involved in his

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Speaker 7: music team in some capacity.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So basically what you're telling me is there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of people in and out and nobody can confirm it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Luke Kenton, I understand where you're coming from. But Steve Fisher,

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Speaker 2: if a cop got up on the stand and tried

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Speaker 2: to sell me that bill of goods, okay, I would

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Speaker 2: have him held in con tipt of court because you

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Speaker 2: have painstakingly gone up and down the streets surrounding David

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Speaker 2: Burke's home, and you have amassed video ring.

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Speaker 1: Doorbell cam, security cam, you name it cam, and you

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Speaker 1: can see who is going in and out of the home.

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Speaker 1: And forget get it up and down the street that mansion.

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Speaker 1: Let's see that shot.

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Speaker 2: Control room that we got from our friend Harvey Levin

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Speaker 2: over at TMZ. The mansion is covered in security camps.

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Speaker 1: So we know who goes in and stays overnight on

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Speaker 1: a daily basis.

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Speaker 2: It's not rocket science, Fisher. To figure out who's living there.

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Speaker 2: All you have to do is paying their phone and

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Speaker 2: see is it there night after night after night.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do I have to connect the dots here?

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Speaker 4: No, It's like I said, it's not part to do.

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Speaker 4: In fact, they put it on their own social media.

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Speaker 4: There's constantly, you know, photos in the house. There's this

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Speaker 5: David's you know, groupies or whatever.

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Speaker 4: You know, they work with them, but they're always around,

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Speaker 4: and like you said, there's all there's surveillance. And in fact,

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Speaker 4: I have a meeting this afternoon with another homeowner and

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you one of the people actually left

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Speaker 4: their car there for two months while this was all

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Speaker 1: Base at least, you know what, Fisher, Let's just cut it.

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Speaker 1: Let's just cut through it.

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Speaker 2: All I need is one witness, one witness to crack

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Speaker 2: one of Burke's insiders to tell the truth about the

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Speaker 2: night Celeste died. Otherwise no one is going to be

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Speaker 2: held responsible. That's the way it's heading right now. Things

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Speaker 1: When you say a core group, what does that mean.

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Speaker 1: Are you referring to the two to four people we

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Speaker 1: think live there with Burke?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, or at least we're staying there often.

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Speaker 4: They might have had their own residences too many they

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Speaker 4: had to think belongings there.

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Speaker 5: The nightstands were being used and what not.

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Speaker 2: And there is a couple of mil hold it, hold it,

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Speaker 2: hold it, stop everything.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Hold on. You're right, You're right, Fisher.

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Speaker 2: You can have your own under the lobby, call it domicile,

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Speaker 2: your own residence. But if you basically shack up or

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Speaker 2: live somewhere else, that's what I'm getting at. Yes, now

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Speaker 2: I understand Luke Kenton's hesitance, because you don't have to

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Speaker 2: formally live there to be living there like that doesn't

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Speaker 2: have to be where you get your mail or what

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Speaker 2: you put on your tax forms if you file tax forms.

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Speaker 2: But if you're even conveniently living there, that's who I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about. Back to Steve Fisher, Steve, I want to

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Speaker 2: get to the nightstand. I hate to rush you, but

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Speaker 2: I've got X number of minutes to get this information out.

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Speaker 1: Nightstands, all right, very important?

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Speaker 2: Do do you find paraphernalia, drug paraphernalia, pill bottles, any

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Speaker 1: Because you know, when you go to a hotel.

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Speaker 2: And you're only going to be there one night, does

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Speaker 1: Why do I care. I care because I'm going to find.

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Speaker 2: Out who owned these pill bottles full of oxy. I'm

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Speaker 2: That's who I'm talking about, Steve Fisher. And once I

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Speaker 1: See where I'm going, Steve, No.

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Speaker 4: I do, yes, they were, so I don't guess that wish.

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Speaker 5: The nice stays were being used.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt, and you can tell that you know

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Speaker 5: It was like a living situation.

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Speaker 4: And they also had you know, like gaming stations set

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Speaker 2: Okay, gaming stations don't mean anything to me because D

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Speaker 1: These pill bottles. If that is in fact the CEO

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute again, that's not going to convince a jury.

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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher, I hate to push it on the hot

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Speaker 1: spot not but when you say female products, what are

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Speaker 2: Over fifty percent of population where women we know what

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Speaker 1: Don't be afraid, little boy.

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Speaker 2: What were the female products that and how much were

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Speaker 4: There was feminine hygiene products for sure, but I was

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Speaker 2: The reason I'm parsing products here is because it could

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: And I don't care if the own of these pill

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I just need to get names, which

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Speaker 1: Joanna, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: This is It's like somewhere up in the atmosphere, the

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's true. I'm not saying it's false.

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Speaker 2: But when you have a young girl dad in the

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Speaker 8: I would say the same thing I've been saying the

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Speaker 8: what we're hearing is that there are still things that

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm taking that fund about discourse to mean

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Speaker 2: would argue that obviously Celeste must have died by accident

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Speaker 2: which is highly unlikely, and that someone panicked and instead

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Speaker 2: they went, hey, it'd be a great idea to chop

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Speaker 1: Is that your defense? Just a simple yes?

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Speaker 8: I definitely yes, I definitely think that it was possible.

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Speaker 2: Dr Bethany Marshall is joining us renowned psychoanalyst out of

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Speaker 2: the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 1: You can see her now on Peacock. Dr Bethany.

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Speaker 2: This reminds me in a bad way of top Mom

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Speaker 2: Casey Anthony, who actually told your and it worked, by

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Speaker 2: was a good idea to wrap her up in a blanket,

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Speaker 2: put her in a trash bag, and throw her in

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Speaker 2: a swamp. Let's see, I've got a problem with that,

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Speaker 2: but that's generally the same thing that's going to be

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Speaker 1: But it worked there.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Nancy, you do not dismember a body because the

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Speaker 9: victim overdosed, You just don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's overkilled, overkilled.

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Speaker 9: Something else bad happened in that house, And I've been

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Speaker 9: playing in my mind with what could that bad thing

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Speaker 9: have been. Was there a domestic violence incident and somebody

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Speaker 9: she offered drugs like fentanel or something like that, that,

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Speaker 9: or opiates that were prescribed for somebody? El I do

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Speaker 9: not believe somebody just went and murdered her.

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Speaker 1: For murder's sake. You do not.

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Speaker 9: Dismember a body just because the overdosed. You call nine one.

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Speaker 2: One Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I believe her body,

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Speaker 2: Celest's body, the little girl's body was already in the

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Speaker 1: He's got video of the tesla coming around the curve

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Speaker 2: Over from Burke's house.

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Speaker 1: Stay with me.

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Speaker 2: I'm about to go to doctor Kendall Crown's who is

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Speaker 2: a renowned medical examiner, has handled thousands of autopsies. But

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Speaker 2: I want to follow up on who who was in

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this.

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Speaker 3: Burke was in town the day the dented and covered

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Speaker 3: same day, Burke left town with his personal assistant Neo,

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Speaker 3: that night his now canceled Withered World tour. Burke had

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Speaker 3: a very small, tight knit entourage, two to four people

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Speaker 3: the discovery of Celeste remains, and all have unfollowed each

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Speaker 2: Dave magg joining me Crime Stories in to get a reporter.

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Speaker 2: So Dave mack, okay, let me understand.

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Speaker 1: If nobody did anything wrong, then why is everyone running

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Speaker 2: And on following each other on social media? I mean

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Speaker 2: circle back to him. The last day that D four

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Speaker 1: Remember you got a.

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Speaker 2: Dead body, a little girl decomposing in the trunk. It's

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Speaker 1: And what are they doing? They're moving the car?

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Speaker 2: Why because it's a Fancy Barely Hills Home and Hollywood

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Speaker 2: So every few days the tesla is being moved around.

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Speaker 2: What's the less dead in the trunk? Point? If nothing

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Speaker 2: wrong happened, then why did everybody living in that home?

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Speaker 2: Dave Max suddenly scatter to the four ends of the earth.

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Speaker 1: You know, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: The biggest thing about this is exactly what you're pointing out.

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Speaker 10: That the last day it was moved on July twenty ninth,

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Speaker 5: It's towed away.

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Speaker 10: But Burke and his friend Bol he's in San Francisco

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Speaker 1: Think about it.

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Speaker 10: This is his car. The body's been found. He knows

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 9: I mean, they are definitely trying to distance themselves from

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Speaker 9: what about the other person? Did one person see another

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Speaker 9: All that drug paraphernalia Nancy, I'm very interested in that.

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Speaker 9: Were the opiates in the room of the patient for

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Speaker 1: Was the house neat or messy? Did it look like

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Speaker 9: House, a crack house or was it a kept neat

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Speaker 9: Was all the drug paraphernalia in one place like people

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Speaker 2: Or was it well to stay Fisher all like a

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00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: mess Stay Fisher?

442
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: Where were the drugs?

443
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 2: And let me also point out Stave Fisher, Well, we

444
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: learned this from you. LAPD had already searched the home.

445
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: Now they haven't mentioned finding drug to drug paraphernalia. That

446
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: is an mean they didn't find it. But by the

447
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: time you searched it, where did you find the drugs?

448
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 4: So there was several different bottles of them and one

449
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 4: you know, being in the like a living room table

450
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 4: that was kind of like a where they did all

451
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: the streaming from is accessible there.

452
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 5: And then also.

453
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: In the bathrooms, so I think there was three different

454
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: opium prescription bodels and so they were accessible, they weren't

455
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: locked up.

456
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 5: Or anything like that, were accessible to anybody in the house.

457
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, and you're speaking legally right now in

458
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: response to doctor Bethany Marshall and your right Steve, the

459
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: fact that they were in various locations, those doors were

460
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: not locked, anyone would have had access to them.

461
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: But you know, isn't it true?

462
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: Johanna and nyevs veteran defense attorney that under the law,

463
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: and this is a jury charge, a jury structure that

464
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: will be read to a jury in this case, if

465
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: there ever is one, says that the jury can take

466
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: into account behavior before jeering and after the incident, which

467
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: means a jury could take into account that very oddly,

468
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 2: very uncharacteristically, all of DFOURVDS David Anthony Berg's friends that

469
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: normally lived together, that hang out together every single day

470
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 2: and night, that parked their cars there from months on end,

471
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: they all scattered to north, south, east and west and

472
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: unfollowed each other. That can be taken into account, and

473
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: it can be argued on closing that that is a

474
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 2: guilty conscience. You know something bad went down, you know

475
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: about it, so you get the hell out of Dodge.

476
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: Can't that be argued by a prosecution.

477
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Speaker 8: Yes, this could be an indicator of consciousness of guilt.

478
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 8: But what we have to keep in mind is that

479
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 8: something bad did happen. There was a dismembered body in

480
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 8: a trunk, So they are likely trying to distance themselves

481
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 8: from the fact that someone tried to conceal a body

482
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 8: and there is a knowingness around that. But the point

483
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 8: still remains that we can't prove yet whether this was

484
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 8: the cause of death was actually a murder and then

485
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 8: the concealment of the body.

486
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: Do I care about the tesla?

487
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 8: No?

488
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: Do I care who put the tesla there or moved it? Yes,

489
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Speaker 2: because I believe that person had knowledge the celess body,

490
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: a little girl.

491
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Was decomposing in the truck.

492
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: Has a massive gift been dropped in the lapse of

493
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Speaker 2: the defense that gift.

494
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: There is no c D cause of death as of tonight.

495
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: Now, with all of this in mind, straight out to

496
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns joining us. As I've mentioned, Chief Medical Examiner,

497
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Speaker 2: Rant County and Star of Mayhem and the Morgue, Doctor

498
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns, I've waited on a lot of toxicology reports

499
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: as have you, to get an.

500
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: Official cause of death.

501
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: Toxicology reports are needed in a case where you can't

502
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: look at the body either under the microscope like you are,

503
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: with a naked eye like me and say, oh yeah,

504
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: she was stabb dead. Oh yeah, she was bludge and dead.

505
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is a GSW gunshot wound. You have

506
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: to have toxicology when you can't overtly see what the

507
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: ceod is.

508
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: Right, But in all of my.

509
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: History, I don't recall it taking this long. Is this

510
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: the death knell? Does this mean toxicology is not revealing

511
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: a cause of death.

512
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 6: Well, it can be the fact that it can take

513
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 6: up to eight to ten weeks to get good toxicology

514
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 6: testing done, especially in a severe decomp She was in

515
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 6: that trunk for several weeks. Her decomposition processes could have

516
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 6: caused her blood to dry up and other tissues to

517
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 6: not be available. And they may be relying on liver

518
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 6: and muscle to get their toxicologic test done. And when

519
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 6: they have to rely on these two solid organs, the

520
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 6: toxicology lab has to grind them up and homogenize them,

521
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 6: making them into a liquid so they can test them.

522
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 6: And this can add even more.

523
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: To stop right there, Stop, doctor Kendl Crowns. Look, we

524
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: all everybody on this panel except that you're smarter than us.

525
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: Can you please dum me down. I don't know what

526
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: you just said. What grind it down?

527
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: For what test? What?

528
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 6: So when you have no blood left to test from

529
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 6: and all you have left is solid organs, you can

530
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 6: collect muscle and liver at the time of autopsy that

531
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 6: is sent to the toxicology lab and they put it

532
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 6: in basically a blender and they make it into like

533
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 6: a slurry or a smoothie of this tissue and then

534
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 6: that way they're able to extract the liquid to put

535
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 6: it into the machines to do the toxicology testing.

536
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: Because of the toxicology machines.

537
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 6: That do the testing can't use solid organs, so it

538
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 6: has to be liquefied in some way, and by doing

539
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 6: that it takes the process.

540
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: Now, I just want to digest what you just said.

541
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: Because of all of the prosecution's investigations I've had, which

542
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: I can't count, I've never heard it put just quite

543
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: like that.

544
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: You're saying that.

545
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 2: Celeste liver, her dried up liver, is put in a

546
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: blender and blended until it's liquefied so that some machine somewhere.

547
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: Can run a test on it.

548
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: Correct. Okay, moving forward after Celeste's liver is liquefied in

549
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: a blender.

550
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: Then that is put into a what.

551
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 6: It depends on the toxicology lab, but they usually use

552
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 6: like a GC mass spectrum degree, which is gas chromatography

553
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 6: mass spectrometry machine that then can do a look at

554
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 6: drug levels within that slurry of tissue.

555
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: So you use a maspect a mass.

556
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: Spectometry spectometry to look at.

557
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: Oh here's another one.

558
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: If you put a dried organ into the blender as

559
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: you call it, and you blend it, you still have

560
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: a dry organ.

561
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: How does it become liquefied?

562
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 6: They add certain fluids to it to make it more liquefied.

563
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 6: I don't know specifically what they add, but it's probably

564
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 6: normal saline, probably most likely normal saline. So it helps

565
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 6: liquefy it and doesn't add to the toxicology or decrease

566
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 6: the toxicology.

567
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: Okay, of course.

568
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: So that newly formed liquid which is dried liver and

569
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: saline is put into a mass spect and then you

570
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: can determine from that in lieu of blood whether there

571
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: were drugs and Celeste system.

572
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Do I have that right?

573
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 5: Yes?

574
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: You do?

575
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: Okay, you have illuminated a lot. Doctor Kendall Crowns. So

576
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: you're telling me that, no matter how long the body

577
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: is there, if you can get a liver or some

578
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: other organ suitable organ, you can use that to get

579
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: a tox screen toxicology, right, that's correct, okay. And at

580
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: the beginning of the outset, you said, did you say

581
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: eight or eleven weeks to get that tok screen?

582
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 5: Back about eight.

583
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 6: To ten, but yes, about two and a half months.

584
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: We know that she was in the trunt on September eight,

585
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: likely did before then, but the point of September eight

586
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: is that's.

587
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: When her body was found.

588
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: So you've got September, October, October to November. So right

589
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: now we're at about eight weeks. So you're saying, either

590
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: now or in the next two weeks there should be

591
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: a toxicology report. Yes, okay, doctor Kendall Crowns. You heard

592
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall talking about how what if there were

593
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: sex games, what if there was a strangulation game and

594
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: asphyxiation game going on? All that evidence on her body,

595
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: just theoretically, if it existed, is gone because her body

596
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: has been decomposing for so long in the trunk. Would

597
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: you expect to find.

598
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: Bruising would you'd be able to find it. Let's just pretend.

599
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: Let's just pretend she died on September seven, and she's so.

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00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 6: Yes, even though the body is decomposed, you can still

601
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 6: find physical evidence like bruising, stab wounds, gunshot wounds, things

602
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 6: of that nature. Even if they've completely mummified and their

603
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 6: skins hard as a rock or dried hard, you can

604
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 6: still notice the wounding patterns. Can still find bruising and

605
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 6: then cut into that dried leathery skin, peel it back

606
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 6: and find hemorrhage in the subcutaneous tissue or the fat underneath.

607
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 6: And the other thing you can look for is fractures

608
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 6: of the bones. So even if all the tissue is

609
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 6: decomposed away, you can still look at the bones and

610
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 6: find fractures.

611
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if I've told you tonight yet,

612
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 2: doctor Kendl Crown's, but you're brilliant. But I've got another

613
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: fact to plug into your equation, Steve Fisher. I just

614
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: pretended Celeste was dead or killed September seven, But you

615
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: have information based on you combing the neighborhood to get

616
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: video and more. You have information that she was in

617
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: the trunk a lot longer than the day before the

618
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: car was found.

619
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we have a video evidence of the car

620
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 4: being mooved, that's about it in July twenty ninth. And

621
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 4: even if we didn't have that, we still have the

622
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 4: parking enforcement officers that took photos, you know, going back

623
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: two weeks before the car was towed, So she was

624
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: in that for quite a while, but before definitely on

625
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 4: or before July twenty ninth.

626
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: Well, I'm telling you, I believe that that's her in

627
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: that photo that we have found at a D four

628
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: VD concert August the fourth. Trade make got to Luke

629
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Speaker 2: Kenton joining US senior investigator Reporter. Dailymail dot Com has

630
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: been on the story from the beginning.

631
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Speaker 1: I know you're familiar with the.

632
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: August fourth photo with either Celest or a Celeste look

633
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: alike wearing her jeans at her black tube top up

634
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: in the balcony that is reserved for friends and family

635
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: of D four VD aka David Anthony Burke. That was

636
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: August the fourth, Was it not, Luke Canton?

637
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: It was August the fourth.

638
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 7: Yes, the investigation that was done around that video, it

639
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 7: was claimed at least that that wasn't Celeste depicted. We

640
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 7: know David hung out with a number of other individuals

641
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 7: who bear some slight resemblance to Celeste. But on the

642
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 7: subject of last known contact, a couple of sources close

643
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 7: to Celesti who went to school with Celeste, said that

644
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 7: even though she was missing for you know, a year

645
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 7: or so, she continued contact with friends, and that contact

646
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 7: cut in either late June or early July. It's my

647
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 7: understanding that those that form of contact was message based,

648
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 7: so there's no way of verifying who was sending those messages.

649
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 7: But her phone was at least active until that point, according.

650
00:37:51,120 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: To Crime Stories with Naty Grace, So Luke Kenton.

651
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: That's really interesting and not just interesting, it could be probative.

652
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: You're saying that her friends, her old friends before David

653
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: Anthony Burke quit hearing from her at the latest in

654
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: did you say mid July?

655
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 7: It was late June to very early July, is what

656
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 7: I was.

657
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: Totally one mm hmm.

658
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 2: Now regarding that video, the video that was turned into

659
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: an ISO isolated photo of whom many believed to be

660
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: Celeste in that special Friends and Family booth above D

661
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: four VD, David Anthony Burke, you said, some people are

662
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: saying that's not Celeste.

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Speaker 1: Who is saying that's not Celeste.

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Speaker 7: That was actually reported I believe by TMZ, And the

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Speaker 7: information that came from that report was that it was

666
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Speaker 7: individuals close to the individual, individuals with knowledge of the

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Speaker 7: matter said it wasn't Celeste. I haven't been able to

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Speaker 7: verify personally one way or the other, but I agree

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Speaker 7: with either she certainly, Yeah, she certainly resembles Celeste. But again,

670
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Speaker 7: there are a few people in and around that circle

671
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Speaker 7: that do that of Hispanic heritage and do slightly his

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Speaker 7: own Celeste in some way.

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Speaker 2: Canton, you're saying that people close to d four VD,

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Speaker 2: David Anthony Brooke, he calls that David.

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Speaker 1: People close to Brooke say, oh no, that's not her.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: That's my understanding of somebody else's reporting when my retorting

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Speaker 7: is concerned.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So whenever I put a witness on the stand, I

681
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Speaker 2: way I judge their credibility, their veracity, I consider the source.

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Speaker 2: So if my source on that is, and I agree

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Speaker 2: with you, Luke, that seems to have come from within defourvd's.

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Speaker 1: Camp, they're going, oh no, that's not her. All right?

685
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Speaker 2: That and a dollar will buy me a cup of coffee.

686
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Speaker 2: At McDonald's. I'm not buying what somebody in that camp

687
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Speaker 2: says no. But we know that, for instance, the FBI,

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Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, Target even has the greatest surveillance video.

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Speaker 2: That video, that photo can be used and enhanced to

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Speaker 2: determine is it really Soleiste?

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Speaker 1: Why do I care this much?

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Speaker 2: Because if it is Celeste that puts her alive on

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Speaker 2: August the fourth, so that weighs into it.

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 2: Way into it weighs into what I'm asking Doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 1: That was a big round about.

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Speaker 2: You have a lot of those in Great Britain, a

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Speaker 2: big round about. Back to doctor Kendall Crowns, if I

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Speaker 2: can place her alive at as Luke was saying at

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Speaker 2: the beginning of July, if she was dead then and

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Speaker 2: that's not Celeste in the balcony, can I get a

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Speaker 2: cod on her body? You said, even a mummy can

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Speaker 2: reveal bruises once you cut into the bruise and look

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Speaker 2: at the subcutaneous tissue. Has a big word for under

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Speaker 2: the skin. Even on a mummy, you can find that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean you can still look at the tissues

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Speaker 6: or the skin surface, even if they're dried and momomified

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Speaker 6: and still find injuries. Gunshot wounds, stab wounds, bruises, all

709
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Speaker 6: still are there. You just have to kind of change

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Speaker 6: your thinking on what you're looking at because of the

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Speaker 6: decomposition process. If she was still alive in July, that

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Speaker 6: it would be August in early September, she'd only been

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Speaker 6: missing for about a month, or dead about a month.

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Speaker 6: She probably wouldn't even be mammified at that point. She

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Speaker 6: would just probably be bloated green and with skin slippage

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Speaker 6: and stuff oozing out of ivory orifice. But we could

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Speaker 6: still that would even be easier than a mummified body

718
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Speaker 6: to find the injuries. The problem is actually dismembering could

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Speaker 6: disrupt a lot of the injuries you would be looking for,

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Speaker 6: especially with the strangulation, if they've cut her head off

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Speaker 6: and disrupted all the next musculature.

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Speaker 2: Amidst all of the scientific jargon we're hearing out the

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Speaker 2: medical examiners and the analysis by brilliant psychoanalysts like doctor

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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, the news from Luke Kenton Steve Fisher on

725
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Speaker 2: this from the very beginning, and it seemingly doesn't matter

726
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Speaker 2: to a lot of people what Fisher has absolutely dug up.

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Speaker 1: That's non refutable.

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Speaker 2: So far, conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories abounding on line as

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Speaker 2: to what really happened.

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Speaker 3: Listen, the David is the last thing is the most

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Speaker 3: obvious Hollywood satanic ritual I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: That actually hurt in my ear. My ears are bleeding,

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Speaker 2: and that is from at.

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Speaker 1: Supreme Tings on TikTok. There's more. Listen, I'm gonna be honest,

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Speaker 1: said David.

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Speaker 5: Situation is all of pureston.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you guys are all falling for him.

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Speaker 10: Do you not notice all of us literally singing.

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Speaker 5: In the back of my mind like bo it's a

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Speaker 5: literal p orson hed number.

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Speaker 1: One on iTunes. Okay, he lost me with the Kreuella

742
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Speaker 1: hair right there. I'm out. No, I'm not putting him on.

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Speaker 2: The stand with another crazy theory, and that is from

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Speaker 2: at Light l I G H. T. Sun Zaye on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: These conspiracy theories are as old as time.

746
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Speaker 1: Are they real?

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Speaker 2: No? But if you remember the Scott Peterson cases, zany

748
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: Were actually used at trial.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a great one and.

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Speaker 1: J Simpson crazy Zany conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 11: So I without a shadow of a doubt believe that

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Speaker 11: OJ did not kill Nicola Ron but it was his son, Jason.

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Speaker 11: And here's what so evidence wise, there's about fifteen fingerprints

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Speaker 11: they could not trace back to OJ. There was also

756
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Speaker 11: a cap there that had dog here on it, but

757
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Speaker 11: OJ didn't own a dog, but Jason did. And pictures

758
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Speaker 11: have been proven to know that that cap is Jason's.

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Speaker 11: They just failed to get any kind of DNA evidence

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Speaker 11: offa Jason. He's also had a prior aggravated assault with

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Speaker 11: a deadly weapon against one of his.

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Speaker 1: Ex girlfriends, Woman Simpson.

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Speaker 2: The OJ Simpson Ornwell, James Simpson committed double murder. Quit

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Speaker 2: trying to rope in his son, who's outlining his own

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Speaker 2: business the Night of the Murderers. That is from at

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Speaker 2: Zoe underscore germ x. Okay, let's see crazy conspiracy theories

767
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Speaker 2: that the Fens will absolutely use.

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Speaker 1: How about Brian Coburger. Coburger is innocent. I told you

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Speaker 1: Coburger was innocent.

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Speaker 12: But I called my source one of five, and I asked, so,

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Speaker 12: if I had to prove him innocent.

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Speaker 1: Where would I look? The source said, look, gut ENID

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Speaker 1: touch DNA.

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Speaker 12: Door dasher and the neighbor Enid was never put on

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Speaker 12: the suspect list when he had blood on his door,

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Speaker 12: and he authored those other handles. It was also a

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Speaker 12: known drug house, So only a sophisticated drug ring would

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Speaker 12: you slice and dice like that.

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Speaker 1: So much of that is not true. What not in

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Speaker 1: drug house? What is she saying?

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Speaker 2: That's from Barry's and branches on TikTok zany conspiracy theories

782
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: that you would think don't amount to a hill of beans,

783
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: but that can be used by an adroit defense attorney

784
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Speaker 2: as a matter of fact. Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative

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Speaker 2: reporter who investigated the Delphi double murders with me, wasn't

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Speaker 2: there a zany conspiracy theory that the odnesss killed Libby

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Speaker 2: and Abby.

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Speaker 1: The two little girls found under that.

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Speaker 2: Trestle bridge Oldness that worship for and the other Norse gods.

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Speaker 2: The device actually tried to bring that into evident and

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Speaker 2: the judge stopped them.

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Speaker 10: Remember that they fought hard to get that Odinism brought

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Speaker 10: into this to claim it was a ritualistic killing of

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Speaker 10: Abby and Libby. I mean, it was amazing that we

795
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Speaker 10: actually had to dig into this and go through just

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Speaker 10: papers and encyclopedias of this odinism, and you know it

797
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 10: was just another red herring. But yeah, they tried, and the.

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Speaker 2: Judge complete, they actually tried to use this any conspiracy

799
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Speaker 2: theory at trial. I mean there's millions of them. Remember

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Speaker 2: when John and A Ramsey was found dead.

801
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: So many people piled on that it was the brother Burke,

802
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Speaker 1: who was like this big round day one.

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Speaker 2: I said, it's not Burke. But did that stop the

804
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories? And that poor boy was hounded the rest

805
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: of his life. Now he's a young adult male. But

806
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: can you imagine the cost the price these conspiracy theories

807
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: is crazy as they are. Carrie on, Lady Justice, she

808
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: has to pay the bill for all of that. We

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Speaker 2: are waiting on that cood and we are waiting for

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Speaker 2: justice in the death of a little girl, Celessee Rivas.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about her death,

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Speaker 2: please contact LAPD two one three four eight six six

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Speaker 2: eight nine zero repeat two one three four eight six six'

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Speaker 2: eight nine. Zero as of, tonight no one has been

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Speaker 2: named a suspect or even a person of interest in her.

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Speaker 2: Death we remember An american, Hero Officer Rosa, VASQUEZ Us

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Speaker 2: Department Homeland, security killed in the line of duty after

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Speaker 2: seventeen years, service leaving behind her Husband, david and two

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Speaker 2: children without a, Mom paulina And Jesus american hero Of

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Speaker 2: Sir Rossa. Fasquez Nancy grace signing off goodbye, friend