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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck prying over there,

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Speaker 1: there's Jerry over there, and this is stuff you know

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Speaker 1: all got her red berets on. We're trained up. Ye're

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Speaker 1: ready to kick some New York City subway. But I

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Speaker 1: got my nun chucks quick. You probably had those when

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Speaker 1: you're kids. No, I never did, just throwing stars. I

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Speaker 1: had a a mom who cared about me. Okay, who

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Speaker 1: allows you to have throwing stars? Throwing stars you can sneak.

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Speaker 1: I thought you had throwing stars. Now Tommy Roper had

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Speaker 1: throwing he just trained me on. Actually, oh I got you.

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Speaker 1: I didn't either, But you could hide a throwing star

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Speaker 1: in your bedroom. It's hard to hide those nunchucks unless

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Speaker 1: you do it under mattress and you know it's there.

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Speaker 1: That's right already. Yeah, you're pretty proud of yourself for

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Speaker 1: that one. I was, and then you got no last

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Speaker 1: I thought you might like it. It was good. Um.

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Speaker 1: So obviously, since we're talking nun chucks and Tommy Roper,

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Speaker 1: we're doing an episode Chuck on the Guardian Angels, and

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Speaker 1: let me tell you from experience, you probably ran into

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Speaker 1: this as well. But researching Guardian Angels on the internet

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Speaker 1: brings up a lot of crackpot stuff. Yeah, it's very

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Speaker 1: tough to find this stuff I was looking for, but

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Speaker 1: I finally did. I hacked through it and I got

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Speaker 1: to the actual Guardian Angels stuff. Yeah, and uh, we

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Speaker 1: have a special guest at the end of this episode.

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Speaker 1: We were going to announce that right Well, you you

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Speaker 1: put in the title, didn't you. Yeah, but I just

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Speaker 1: want if people don't read the full title, if it

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Speaker 1: doesn't display on the your pod player of choice. Our

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Speaker 1: old friend John Hodgeman is here in the office today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like right now, he's waiting. He's in Jerry's office right now.

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Speaker 1: Is that where you put him? Yeah, we put him

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Speaker 1: in Jerry's office so you could have some alone time.

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Speaker 1: His suitcases right there. I think it'd be kind of

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Speaker 1: hilarious for us to go through it on the air.

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Speaker 1: It is. I have that exact suitcase. Oh it's nice.

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Speaker 1: Former sponsor of the show. Oh yeah, we didn't get suitcases.

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Speaker 1: So I got one not from the show, did you.

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Speaker 1: I got one for under the World sponsorship you did.

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Speaker 1: I'm so mad if they real cash money, did you

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Speaker 1: I got one for free? It's pink. You got the

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Speaker 1: pink one? All right, we won't mention the name brand. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you have to go listen to Into the World to

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Speaker 1: hear that, or they have to advertise again. Yeah. I'm

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Speaker 1: so mad because I even asked. I was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: they're like, no, they're not going to send him to

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Speaker 1: everyone because it's too expensive. Peloton, send us a Peloton,

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Speaker 1: a Peloton. We have Pelotons thousands of dollars I know,

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Speaker 1: and they advertise for like two minutes. Thanks Peloton. Oh Man.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, John Hodgman is here in Jerry's office waiting

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Speaker 1: on us to finish recording about the Guardian Angels because

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Speaker 1: he's a new book coming out called Medallion Status. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just put that together. That's really coincidental that Hodgman

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Speaker 1: showed up to be on the show right before his

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Speaker 1: new book comes out. Medallion Status True Story is from

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Speaker 1: Secret Rooms that you can pre order now. Have you

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Speaker 1: read it? I didn't get a chance to. Did you

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Speaker 1: really read it? I really read it. That's because we

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Speaker 1: just got him like a few days ago. It's a

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Speaker 1: good read. It's it's fun to read. It kind of

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Speaker 1: sucks you in, it's great, can't wait. It's a good read.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, John will be here and he will talk

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Speaker 1: incessantly about medallion status. So we'll just save that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: jerial like face, and that's how the episode will end.

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Speaker 1: I bet he'll have something to say about the Guardian

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Speaker 1: Angels too, because John lives in New York City. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I noticed in this article that it was I

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Speaker 1: guess assumed that everyone knew what it was because it

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Speaker 1: was never even really described what the Guardian Angels is into,

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Speaker 1: like the fourth page. Right, That's what I want to say, Like,

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Speaker 1: there are probably a significant number of people who think

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about angels looking over your shoulder. No,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about in New York City and now

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's okay, Yeah, sure. There there is a group

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Speaker 1: under the leadership of Curtis how do you pronounce that? Slewa?

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Speaker 1: In February nine. And if you grew up in the

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Speaker 1: one really big um accusation that's leveled against the Guardian

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Speaker 1: and they definitely did know how to get PR. And

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Speaker 1: Curtis Leewa was a PR magnet from his from his

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Speaker 1: birth basically it sounds like it. Age six, he makes

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Speaker 1: his first public appearance on Romper Room. Remember Romper Room.

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Speaker 1: So here's a a guest on Romper Room. Uh. Years later,

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Speaker 1: hand as a result. Okay, it keeps, it keeps going.

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Speaker 1: As a younger kid than that. I think he collected

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Speaker 1: you know, these guys, what you're doing actually is worth

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Speaker 1: all that publicity, So leave them alone. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: this whole organization too. I was flip flopping all over

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Speaker 1: a kid and you don't know much about him, you're like, oh, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: cops way. Yeah, so here's the deal. In the seventies crime,

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Speaker 1: Like how do you mess up? It wasn't It wasn't bad.

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Speaker 1: real numbers I need. Well, those are murders, then you've

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Speaker 1: but there were in nineteen seventy eight, there were nine

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Speaker 1: He made lieutenants out of in chapter, heads out of it,

424
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: leaders out of so um. Like you said, it's complicated,

425
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: but he proved himself to be fairly above racial politics

426
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: as far as his actual practices go. That's right. If

427
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: you hit the streets on patrol, Um, they would go

428
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,239
Speaker 1: out together, usually ten people, but you were never out

429
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: there alone. No. Well that was the thing because they

430
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to carry weapons. So like had it just

431
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: been one of them patrolling, they would vatinely been beaten

432
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: and put in the hospital. Yeah, so you're not only

433
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: are they not allowed to wear weapons, but they pat

434
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: each other down before they go out on patrol to

435
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: make sure none of them have weapons themselves. And uh

436
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: Sleiwa would basically act as the dispatcher. He would sit

437
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: around and listen to the scanner, the police scanner, or

438
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: he would get telephone calls from a pay phone I

439
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: guess from another angel saying something's going down, and he

440
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: would send people out on these patrols, like to specifically

441
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 1: go to a crime that had been committed to try

442
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: and help, or or just go on patrol like the

443
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: subway line super get on the four train and walk

444
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: up and down those cars, or go to this neighborhood

445
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 1: and patrol this block. So this is how their patrols

446
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: would work. On the subway in particular, be eight, ten,

447
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: twelve of them, and they would all show up together.

448
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: Each one would get into a car, so there'd be

449
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: a Guardian Angel standing at attention. Yeah, quiet, silent, looking

450
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: very stern and serious, um, not messing aroun out and

451
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: just projecting that that thing. And that's what Sleewa said

452
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: is the basis, like the Guardian Angels show up and

453
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: they're in control of the situation. So they're reassuring the

454
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: people who are worried, and they're showing the criminals like,

455
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: don't try anything because there's ten of us in one

456
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: of you or even two of you, right, And then

457
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: every stop, every all the Guardian Angels would lean out

458
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: and give some sort of hand signal that the coast

459
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: was clear. If somebody didn't lean out of their car,

460
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: all the other angels would converge on that car and

461
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: help out was in trouble. And that's how they patrolled

462
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: the subways, and that's how they still do. Actually, so

463
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: imagine this, my friend, I had this thought while I

464
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: was researching the stuff. Imagine this exact same scenario, but

465
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: they're wearing tights and capes and masks, right, and like,

466
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: imagine how quickly they would be laughed at and ridiculed

467
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: and just laughed off the streets. And they're a guy

468
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: in Mexico City who is doing that? Oh no, there's

469
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: a documentary. There are quite a few people that do this,

470
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: And there's a doctor amentary that follows these real life

471
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: quote unquote superheroes that are trained up and can do

472
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: martial arts, but they like wear a cape in a mask,

473
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: and it's just it's funny to think about the perception

474
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: they could do the exact same thing, and if they're

475
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: wearing a Batman mask, it's likely what are you doing? Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

476
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: I wonder if any funny. I wonder if anyone who

477
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: used to be a caped crusader is now just a

478
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 1: regular crusader, because that's more legitimate. Maybe maybe so. Uh,

479
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Um, they're not just standing there at

480
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: attention to uh intimidate criminals to make sure things are safe.

481
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: They don't just call in to the police when something happens.

482
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: They get involved. We talked about martial arts. They are

483
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 1: trained up two engage people, physically encouraged to do so. Uh.

484
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: And and if you listen to our July episode on

485
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: a citizen's arrest to make and perform a citizen's arrest,

486
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: which I was trying to think back at in go

487
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: back and listen to it, but I was trying to

488
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: think back of what our overall message wasn't correct me

489
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but don't do it. Do not do it.

490
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna get yourself in trouble. These guys routinely do that. Yeah,

491
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: but I think we were just saying, like, hey, if

492
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: you're just an average Joe or Jane on the street,

493
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: don't do that. But if you're if you're trained to

494
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: do so, like a guardian angel, still don't do it.

495
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: But even still they say like they're not afforded any

496
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: special rights or privileges. They're just citizens following the letter

497
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: of the law. But they they don't just call the

498
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: cops and say somebody's getting jacked right now, or um,

499
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, just stand there. Certainly they

500
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: go beat somebody up. Well, no, they're trained to use

501
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: minimal force, so that can still include beating somebody out.

502
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: They're they're trained to restrain somebody and use force. But

503
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: that's the difference is they're not out there just like

504
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: delivering a beat down because for retribution. Okay, so originally

505
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: from what I read, that is actually how how this

506
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: whole thing started. The people down that um uh sleep

507
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: Curtis Leewa and his friend Don Chin, who was a

508
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: big dude who also worked at the McDonald's with them.

509
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: They started out, um with Slee Wah writing the subway,

510
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: all dressed up with jewelry and everything. They would he

511
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: was a plant, right, and then um, somebody would come

512
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: over and try to rob him, and Chin would come

513
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and just beat him up. That's a trapman,

514
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: it is like. As a matter of fact, there was

515
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: a quote from the police commissioner at the time I

516
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: read this really awesome New Yorker article from that was

517
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: written by Nicholas Pelleggie, who wrote Wise Guy, which was

518
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: the foundation of Goodfellas, one of the greatest movies of

519
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: all time. He's definitely the greatest gangster movie of all time.

520
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: Get out of here with that Godfather crap. Okay, give

521
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: me Goodfellas. Every day? How many people's heads has popped

522
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: right off of their bodies. They're both great, and my

523
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: head is not popped that I know, yours isn't. But

524
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: somebody out there just like just broke through their desk. Anyway,

525
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: he wrote this article and in it one of the

526
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: police commissioners is like, this is this is awfully close

527
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: to entrapment, dangerously close as a matter of fact, what

528
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: what they were describing. So they stopped doing that, and

529
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: I guess started doing what you were saying, which was

530
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: following the letter law and using minimal force and not

531
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: entrapping people. Yeah, I mean that's the the idea. Into

532
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: his credit, he is changed his methods and what he's

533
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: trained people to do. Over the years. He's tried to

534
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's tried to do the right thing. It

535
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: seems like sure. So a lot of people say to like,

536
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: this guy got rich off this thing. I don't think

537
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: that's the case. I think he leads a pretty modest

538
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: existence on the Upper West Side. Still, he's a little

539
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: bit rough natorish in that respect. Yeah, and they're nonprofit.

540
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: The members are volunteers. I don't see how he would

541
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: make money unless he's just like selling merch or something. Yeah,

542
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: there was somebody gave him some money to do a

543
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: like basically for his life story, to make a movie

544
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: about it. So he got like ten grade or something

545
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: back in the set. Apparently he used some of the

546
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: money to try to sue the people because the movie

547
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: was so bad that Yeah, so what movie is that?

548
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I saw it somewhere, but it pretty

549
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: easy to find. But he, um was it? Airwolf was

550
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: a wolf. There's this guy making sweet love to the

551
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: Airwolf helicopter in the backgrounds. It's like that hanged man

552
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: of Oz. You have to like really look forward. Why

553
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: don't you see it? You can't see it anyway? Um

554
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: he But yeah, from what I understand, he made no

555
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: money off of it whatsoever. But some people say he

556
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: didn't care about money, cares about prestige. Yeah, And a

557
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: lot of people say, ah, he's just a blow hard,

558
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: blah blah, this and that. But when you talk to

559
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: these and read interviews with these, uh, because I've talked

560
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: to him, these old former angels, they all talk about

561
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: this family and the fact that he did pull them

562
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: off the streets. Not all. There are some old former

563
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: that are big time critics of him and his Yeah, yeah,

564
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: I didn't mean that, but a lot of people have

565
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: said that, Like I was going nowhere, he saved me,

566
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: gave me a sense of purpose, taught me how to

567
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: do the right thing in life. And also a lot

568
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: of New Yorkers, just everyday New Yorkers were very supportive

569
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: of the Guardian Angels and what they were doing. I

570
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: would have felt better on it that number four subway train. Yeah,

571
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: a lot of them didn't. So that that New Yorker

572
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: article by Nicholas Pledgie was a hit job. Um, it

573
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: was just meant to kind of make them look bad

574
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: and make Ed Cotch, who, as we'll see, was not

575
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: very happy with the Angels because he was married at

576
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: the time, Um, make a Cottius point look more reasonable.

577
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: But um, if you read the following edition, every single

578
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: one of the letters written in response to that article

579
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: supported the Guardian Angels and basically called out the New

580
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: Yorker for for just kind of convoluting things, for being

581
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: the New Yorker, for basically being the New Yorker being

582
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: pro catch. Well, since you brought him up, he very

583
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: much dismissed them. I called them vigilantes. The police Union,

584
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: the Patrolman's Benevolent Association did yeah right, yeah, well, he

585
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: said him. Some people get lost sometimes. I started talking

586
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: like in New York for all all of a suh,

587
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: the Transit police Union, they all came out against the

588
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: Guardian Angels, saying don't do this. Uh. Phil Caruso of

589
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: the Policeman's Benevolent Association said Mr Sliwa is a publicity

590
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: seeker and he does a good job of it. When

591
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: you start putting authority in an undisciplined group, it's not

592
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: only vigilantium. Vigilantism. It reeks of gestapo is um. He

593
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: not catch dictates who will be an angel and where

594
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: they will work. It's preposterous. We said that last parted Cotch. No, no, no,

595
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: that was Phil Caruso. Was he talking about Coch? He's

596
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: talking about Sliwa. But it just hit me today. No

597
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: one says preposterous anywhere. I want to bring that back. Okay,

598
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: it's a great word. You may just have, I hope.

599
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: So preposterous. But a lot of people loved him. Governor Cuomo,

600
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: whether or not it was a political thing or not,

601
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: kind of came out in supported them here and there.

602
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: So he had a good quote in that New Yorker

603
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: article which just go read it. What he basically said.

604
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: You know, if these were the children, the sons and

605
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: daughters of white doctors from Long Neck, we'd be giving

606
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: them medals instead. We're just leveling all these accusations of

607
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: vigilanism against him and like totally missing the point that

608
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: these guys are taking care of their community and taking

609
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: up the slack where the cops are leaving off, and

610
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: frankly the city's leaving off because they fired so many

611
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: cops um that. You know, it's it seems a little

612
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: a little racist to me. He didn't put it that

613
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: last part in that words, but it was definitely in there.

614
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: And this is that this guy is saying that so well,

615
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: it seems it seems a legitimate quote. If he was

616
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: taking a shot at ECI disguised it well. So they

617
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: are also supposedly, um, the rank and file cops um

618
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: like the Guardian Angels. I'm sure it just all depends.

619
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: It's hard to make a sweeping statement like that, but

620
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: from what I read, the rank and file were a

621
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: little more like, yeah, these guys are like trying to

622
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: restore some sanity to New York. And it was the

623
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: brass that couldn't really come out and or didn't come

624
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: out and say that they supported them. Because this is

625
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: why the presence, the very presence of the Guardian Angels.

626
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: They weren't doing their job underlying the problem that New

627
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: York had. New York couldn't wash it over because the

628
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: Angels were there, which was another big role that they played,

629
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: kind of this meta role to kind of agitate the

630
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: city to do more, educate, agitate the police force to

631
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: do more, in addition to providing, you know, a feeling

632
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: of comfort to people who were riding the subway. And

633
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: it didn't help that Slee while would go on TV

634
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: shows and champion death Wish and taxi Driver as inspirations

635
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: for starting this out. Taxi driver more so, at least

636
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: in death Wish, this guy was like, you know, getting

637
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: back at people that assaulted his wife and daughter. Yea,

638
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: and taxi driver. He just a sociopath, buddy. I mean

639
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: it all worked out for the best in the end,

640
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: that's right. So Um. As a result of all of this,

641
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: Leewah has long Um accused the cops of harassing him

642
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: in multiple ways. He said he was arrested seventies six

643
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: times while carrying out Guardian Angels stuff. Um he said

644
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: that he was kidnapped not once, but twice by two

645
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: different police forces, one in New York, one in d

646
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: c Um in the New York one I don't think

647
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: he alleged that he was beaten. But in the DC

648
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: one he was beaten, burned with a cattle prod arm

649
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: in a sling, tied up, thrown into a muddy, shallow

650
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: part of the Potomac. They didn't realize with shallow until

651
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: he landed like he thought he was about to be drowned.

652
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: H oops. No, he didn't realize it was it was shallow.

653
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: The cops did. They were messing with him right ed.

654
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: Cosh ordered the d C cops to throw him in

655
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: the Potomac, but he said keep it shallow, keeping muddy.

656
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. And he's he's been attacked by private citizens

657
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: who just like, you know, there's that Guardian angel guy.

658
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can get one in on him.

659
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: As recently, his last year in Penn Station, there were

660
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: these four kids that looked like they were getting in

661
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: a fight, and one of them like dropped drugs and

662
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: then picked him up, and he kind of went over

663
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: and like, hey, what's going on here? And they were like, hey,

664
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: look who it is. They literally said the words Newark

665
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: in the house. I guess they were from Newark. And

666
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: one of them sucker punches him in the face, and

667
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: knocks out his front tooth front tooth man and he well,

668
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: he said he couldn't afford to get it repaired. That's

669
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: how little money he has. Very Ralph nat he said,

670
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: in insurance won't cover it. They're calling it cosmetic. It's

671
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: so funny. This is in the article even he said

672
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: they're calling it cosmetic. But he said, my nerve is exposed.

673
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: It's very pains totally. That's exactly. That's a Curtess Leewa

674
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: quote if I've ever heard one. It's pretty funny. Following

675
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: up by Wolf for now, I've just kind of pulled

676
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: it up some paper towel to stand in with the

677
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: pictures of him like smiling big missing that front tooth.

678
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: So I think he took, as always the opportunity to

679
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'm still out there, I'm still getting punched,

680
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: look at me. And also, my insurance company is really

681
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of dead beats. So there was another incident

682
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: where there was a guardian named Frank Melvin. Oh, this

683
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: is a big one. Heard about this incident going on,

684
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: rushed to the scene. And as he's rushing to the scene,

685
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: this is the this is the cops version. There's someone

686
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: on the roof, A cop on the roof, cop on

687
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: the ground, and they say, this guy comes rushing up.

688
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: I guess they didn't see his red beret and red

689
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: satin jacket and ordered him to halt. He didn't halt.

690
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: The cop on the roof shot and killed him. Twenty

691
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: six year old father of three, Sleewat says, this is

692
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: not what This is a big cover up. That's not

693
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: what happened at all. He said a sergeant on the

694
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: street stopped him dead in his tracks. He opened his

695
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: jacket and said, you know, I've got no weapon, there's

696
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: no reason to shoot. And they shot him anyway, And

697
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: as he was dying on the ground, they prevented other

698
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: angels from giving him CPR, which is a very specific claim.

699
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: It is pretty specific to make. So we held a

700
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: press conference alleging all this stuff. Like immediately afterward, he's

701
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: very agitated, very upset. Um And this is a I

702
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: guess you could say this is the low point of

703
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: police Guardian angels relations. They want a guardian Angel has

704
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: been shot and killed by the police. Um. But from

705
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: that point on, I think that was in That was

706
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: the beginning of the end of nineteen eighty From that

707
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: point on, it just started to change and improve, and

708
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden the cops kind of got on

709
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: the Guardian Angels side. Should we take a final break? Yes, alright,

710
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: final break that sounds so cryptic. We're gonna come back

711
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: and talk about, uh, the great eighties right after this

712
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: s k as sks kay, Chuck, We're talking about the gradies.

713
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: The grades are happening. The Guardian Angel she's listening for

714
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: once because Hodgeman is coming in, so she's so the

715
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: Guardian Angels are at their peak. Um supposedly topped a

716
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: thousand members and this is from courteously was recollection for

717
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: his numbers. Yeah, they're getting good publicity, so much so that, uh,

718
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: these budget cuts are going on and the crime rates

719
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: still sky high. Mayor ed Cotch has no recourse but

720
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: to luke warmly embraced them publicly. And that's the best

721
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: way to describe that. I think it was like, okay,

722
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: there he described them as chicken soup? Have they no

723
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: who said that? Cotton mayor of New York City at

724
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: this time, So he did. So this is a huge

725
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: turnaround from These guys are vigilantees and they need to

726
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: stop what they're doing. So this is a big deal

727
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: and it actually I don't know how much it had

728
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: to do with the real rise of the Guardian Angels,

729
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: but they they definitely saw their their membership swell, like

730
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: you said, their patrols. There was the height of the

731
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: Guardian Angels were the early early to right in the

732
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: mid eighties. Yeah, when we were kids and it was

733
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: just all over the place. Yeah, I'm trying to think

734
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: that they have a Saturday Morning cartoon or something, because

735
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: some part of my brain is like, dude, they may

736
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: have been on like Scooby Doo or something when they

737
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: did those years where they had all those weird guests. Yeah,

738
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: Jerry Lewis there, Jerry Lewis and Jerry Reid. Oh was

739
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: he on? Oh he was on a bunch of times,

740
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: really smokey. Yeah, he would sing pretty merry Sunlight or

741
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 1: Sunshine Man so they could find him through the duct

742
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: work or something that was bizarre. But he was on

743
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: a few times. Remember Batman and Robin the campy version

744
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: we're on. Yeah, Harlem Globe Trotter, Yeah, yeah, yeah, don

745
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: not don k nots of course I could do this

746
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: all the three Stooges, right, Oh, yeah, with Curly Joe. Okay,

747
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: they had their own cartoon for a little while, and

748
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: I suspect that that's why they were on Scooby Doo

749
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: is to kind of launch the cartoon version of themselves.

750
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: I definitely have a memory of seeing a cartooned Guardian

751
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Angel too something. Yeah, I know, I'm agreeing. Okay, just

752
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 1: just me mayor ed catch agreeing with you. Podcaster Josh Clark,

753
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: thank you. So they developed a system. They're like, all right,

754
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: if we're all going to work together, let's get these

755
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: guys an I D card at least not a badge.

756
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: He called it a badge, Slee. I did, but it

757
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a badge. It was a It was an I

758
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: D card that was official, and they a sort of

759
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: a detent and said, hey, let's all quit giving each

760
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: other hard time. We're all after the same thing here. Um,

761
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: And he said this all allowed me to open up franchises.

762
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: Did you say the badge was issued by the cops.

763
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: Though I don't think it was issued by the cops,

764
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: but I think it was agreed upon that will have

765
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: an official designation and an official I D card that

766
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: you recognize the part of getting that. I d card

767
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: was submitting as a Guardian Angel applicant to a police

768
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: background check. So there was this rout of legitimacy that

769
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: was that came from the police force. But whether the

770
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: police force wanted to be friends with the Guardian Angels

771
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: or not, Sleewa made a very um, a very purposeful

772
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: decision that the Guardian Angels would have nothing to do

773
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: with the cops. And he said later on in an

774
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: interview the reason why, it's because it would delegitimize the

775
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: Guardian Angels in these neighborhoods, that these people would be

776
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: seen as basically knarcs or snitches or you know, cops

777
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: um in neighborhoods where they didn't like cops very much.

778
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: But since the Guardian Angels were separate and had nothing

779
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: to do with the cops, they had their own legitimacy

780
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: that would have just been completely ripped away had they

781
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: been associated with the cops. Get that. So they started

782
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: popping up all over the country, Sacramento, l A, Buffalo, Cleveland,

783
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: Tyler Dirton at this point he was but he would

784
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: come in and uh, he would not bring maybe he

785
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: would bring some people to train them up momentarily, but

786
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: then they would go back home, and the idea was

787
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: that they would run it themselves under his direction. Yeah.

788
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: And so like the city officials who heard the Guardian

789
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: Angels were coming town, we're worried that a bunch of

790
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: New Yorkers were moving here to basically patrol this other

791
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: city streets. And it was never that. It was like

792
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: you were saying, they'd train local leadership. Um, just like

793
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: a dunkin Donuts. Yes, exactly like that run by Mary Coach.

794
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: So I saw somewhere, Chuck, that Cleveland actually invited the

795
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: Guardian Angels to open a chapter there. Yeah. So it

796
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: wasn't all like, you know, get out of here, We're

797
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: gonna kidnap you and throw you in the Potomac. Some

798
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: cities were like we need this, actually can come breathe

799
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: some life back into or downtown or whatever. Well, I

800
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: remember in nine one when the Atlanta child murders were happening,

801
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: they came to Atlanta to help out here, and I

802
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: remember very much that being on TV. Oh yeah, you know,

803
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: the that whole investigation by the FBI or the g

804
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: b I into the KKK as the suspects in the

805
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: atlanticial merders. The media found out about that because Spin

806
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: magazine reported on it. It's been magazine heard about it

807
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: from the Guardian Angels who have come to Atlanta, so

808
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: they technically broke that that story. Are you watching mind Hunter? Yeah,

809
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: that's part of the new season, is it. Yeah, it's

810
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: just medium good. That's my review. That's why I'm yeah,

811
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't want medium good. Yeah, I'll get you. When's

812
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: the last time you want to watch a death wish

813
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: one through five? In the remake, I'm just punishing myself

814
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: until until something really great comes along. Sure, I hear

815
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: you that. In riff tracks, I just watch death So

816
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: let's talk about vigilantism for a second. In Bernie Gets,

817
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: I think we should do a whole episode on the

818
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: Bernie Gets It incident. Um, so should we not talk

819
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: about it at all? Really? No? No, we can't. All right, So,

820
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: the brief version is is Bernard Gets the subway shooter

821
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: was on a subway one night. These four African American

822
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: youths utes approached him and one of them said, hey,

823
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: give me five dollars. That was the extent of it, right, Yeah,

824
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: no weapons. I mean, there's a lot of different versions

825
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: of this story that came out in court, but apparently

826
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: did not brandish any weapons. Later on, he said, like,

827
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: one of them opened their coat and I thought he

828
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: had a weapon, but he very quickly and he even

829
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: described it as a quick draw, and he had it

830
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: all planned out. He said he had a sequence of

831
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: shots in his mind, ready to go left or right,

832
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: one shot each, and he shot these four kids and

833
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: it was a very complex case. Shot him without warning. Yeah,

834
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: it was a quick draw. But he didn't say like

835
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: stand back or don't come near. He just quick draw

836
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: and started shooting. Yep, quick drew quick He quick drew

837
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: and shot. Um. He said that he was in physical

838
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: danger and that one of might have had a weapon

839
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: everyone else or not everyone else was for the courts

840
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: to decide, but that he was not in immediate physical danger. Um.

841
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: And then and then there's this whole disputed fact about

842
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: whether or not he went up to one of them

843
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: that was slumped it down kind of on a seat,

844
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: walked up to him and said, you seem okay, here's

845
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: another bam. Later on he said, no, I probably just

846
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: thought that I didn't say it out loud. And then

847
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: there's a dispute about whether or not that shot even

848
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: landed and like if he was actually shot a second time,

849
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: So I really need to dig into this if we're

850
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: gonna do it for real. Well, but the long and

851
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: short of it is, there was a vigilante shooting on

852
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: the subway. Half of New Yorkers were like, good for you,

853
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: Bernie Gets, and half of New York said, no, don't

854
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: pull out a gun and start shooting people. And the

855
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: Guardian angels said, we're in the Bernie Gets camp. That's right,

856
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: so my so that that in Nive on the one

857
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: year anniversary of that shooting, they held a ceremonies celebrating,

858
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: celebrating Bernie Gets in the subway where the shooting took place,

859
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: in which you just don't celebrate people being shot. But

860
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: they really cast their lot behind Bernie Gets, and it

861
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: really damaged their credibility as upholders of you know, law

862
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: and order in the minds of a lot of everyday

863
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: New Yorkers. Yes, another thing that damaged the reputation of

864
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: the Guardians is when slee Wa was kind of forced

865
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: to admit later that, you know, early on, we faked

866
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: some of these things entirely. Talk about damaging your credibility.

867
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: There was one one of the first promotions that they

868
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: may have even still been the Magnificent thirteen was them

869
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: returning a wallet uh that had three hundred dollars in

870
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: it to like a parish priest or something like that.

871
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: And um, they drummed it up. They cooked the whole

872
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: thing up. They told the media about it and and

873
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: got a lot of press, a lot of early press,

874
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: and slee Wah says he regrets doing it, but also

875
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: it really helped, and that either he said it or

876
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: one of the early founders co founders said, have we

877
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: not done this, the organization probably never would have taken off. Yeah,

878
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: some of the other things supposedly faked. One of them

879
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: doused themselves in gasoline and said that you know a

880
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: criminal had done this, Yeah, because there had been another

881
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: crime where somebody had doused or set a ticket booth

882
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: operator on fire in their ticket booth at the subway,

883
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: and so they were basically capitalizing on that like it

884
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: was gonna happen again, and they stopped it. Another one

885
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: where you see these angels are all bruised up and bleeding. Uh.

886
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: Turns out that one of them had like fallen down

887
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: the steps and gotten bruised. The other one picked off

888
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: a scab and made it bleed again. Yeah, so gross. Yeah,

889
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: so this did not help their reputation, but you know

890
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: he's acknowledged being a big PR guy. Yeah, And that's

891
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: that's the thing. If you read those those replies in

892
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: the to that New Yorker article, they're like, basically, all

893
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: you've done is demonstrate that their PR hounds, but also

894
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: that they're actually good at what they're doing. So you know,

895
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: that's fine. That is a real, a real dat in

896
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: their legitimacy for sure that they faked it, Because then

897
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: you're like, how many did they fake? Which is in

898
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: dispute too. Yeah, um, what is not as in dispute

899
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: that we should cover quickly. As on June n Slee

900
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: was kidnapped and shot after entering a fake taxi or

901
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: I guess a stolen taxi. Uh, And it was supposedly

902
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: at the hands of John Gotti Jr. Because Sleewa went

903
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: on the radio show I think he still has a

904
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,479
Speaker 1: show w a BC, Yeah, talking about you know Gott

905
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: he's just a drug dealer, he's a serial killer. And

906
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: John Gotti Jr. Didn't like that and was charged with

907
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: this crime but got off three different times. Three different trials, Yeah,

908
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: including one in when was the most recently in two

909
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: thousand five and all the juries, um said, I'm not

910
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: gonna know. All three juries were unable to agree to

911
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: convict him of these charges for that reason. No, you

912
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: never know, I'm not you know. Remember they used to

913
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: call John Gotti's senior the teflon Don Yeah, should do

914
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: you want on him too? Nothing sticks the eighties or

915
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: a gold mine for episodes? Okay, what a decade. So

916
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: the Guardian Angels still around. They came back again in

917
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, although Curtis Lee Wat during publicity said

918
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: we didn't go anywhere. We've been doing patrols every night,

919
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: which may or may not be true. But you could

920
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: still find him if you look hard enough, or if

921
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: you go watch videos from two thousand eighteen. That's right. Uh.

922
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: If you want to know more about the Guardian Angels,

923
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: well go meet one. They'll tell you all about it.

924
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, it's time for it's time for

925
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: our friend John Hodgeman. Did you see that signed on

926
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: the back of the I'm ac you appreciate that? Mike

927
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: from a bow Jack Horseman. I was wondering if that

928
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: was a bow Jack. I have not watched that show.

929
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: Don't tell it's not I've not seen an episode. You

930
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: should totally sign them back, though, Yeah, I'd love to.

931
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: That would be ironic. Get it for for the elderly.

932
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: Sure that a nordeck that you're wearing. This is not

933
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: a nord I know, I've yet to look to look

934
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: it up online, but I wondered. I was like, that's

935
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: not so bad. You're referring, of course, to the chapter

936
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: of my new book, Medallion Status, entitled Extinct Talkie about

937
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: the only sport that I like being. I was following

938
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: the logos of extinct talky teams. Northampton Nope, yeah, it's

939
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: you'll never get it. Is it an n and an

940
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: h it is? Okay? Yeah, I don't have any other guesses.

941
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: Let's try all the age towns with north and then

942
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: go through and start over with It's not, it's not

943
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: a town, okay, is it a bill so something? Hockey?

944
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: It's not, it's not and it's not the trick of it.

945
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: There is a guy who would come to my events

946
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: once I started talking about my fascination with the Hartford

947
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: Whaler's logo bestogo in sports. It's pretty great and the

948
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: Quebec Nordek's logo worst logo in sports, like an actively

949
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: aggressively bad design choice, Like it slams the door in

950
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: your face and you're like, I wasn't even going to knock.

951
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: Why are you doing this to me? I'm sorry, I'm listening.

952
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: I just have to find that. You need to look

953
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: it up. I know it the Quebec Nordeck's hockey hockey.

954
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: What would you say that is? Well, I mean I

955
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: get the hockey stick and puck part, but I don't

956
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: know what the other part the hockey stick so so

957
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: so it it It is supposed to be a blood

958
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: red iglue bisected by a hockey stick that does not

959
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: come through with a very large puck. But and the

960
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: and the angle at which the hockey stick bisex the igloe.

961
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: It's supposed to sort of suggest an end for Nordics.

962
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: I had always most people considered to be a form delephant.

963
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I had always taken it as

964
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: like I've seen this before. I just didn't realize what

965
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: it was. I thought it was some sort of Republican logo. Yeah,

966
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: it looks because it is red, white and blue. Yeah,

967
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: the only thing that you can't really account for is

968
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: the puck, which really is just a circle. Is it's um,

969
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a confusing piece of design. And there

970
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: was a guy who would come to my shows uh

971
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: in New York and and still does, name Geene Montroselli,

972
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: but for a long time I didn't know his last name,

973
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: so I just referred to him as mysterious Gene. Because

974
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: at the end of every show, Yeah, you're looking at

975
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: the Hartford Whaler's logo, so smooth, so so so, I

976
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,479
Speaker 1: mean the beauty of the beauty of the Hartford Whalers logo,

977
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: of course is not only does it have that beautiful

978
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: whale's tail and the W, but the two together form

979
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: a negative space h for Hartford. All of this has

980
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: gone on ad nauseum in the book, by the way,

981
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: and now this is what you can read in Medallion status.

982
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: You never do it? What No, No, he'd never noticed.

983
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: I gotta keep things going here, so right now, John

984
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: is y. Yeah, isn't that amazing. There's this trick that

985
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: John really design that you describe in the book, where

986
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: you show people that and you claim that some people

987
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: have gasped when you've pointed, everybody sees the w I

988
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: don't know if I picked up on a gas, but yeah,

989
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: Chuck was impressed. That's like the arrow in FedEx FedEx,

990
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: the negative Space arrow and fed You know that one,

991
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: of course. And you also had a new eight band

992
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: in the eighties called Negative Space. I did in the

993
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: early eighties, and from that mistaken right, well, I did

994
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: as a child. I thought you did know that someone

995
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: I was on tour with the Thompson Twins. I was

996
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: in Boston recently with another another Monster of podcaster, Nick Wiger,

997
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: who's one half of the Dough Boys. If you don't

998
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: know those guys, they feel the feel the breath, feel

999
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: their hot breath on your next They're coming for you.

1000
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: Boys are coming. Everybody knows. Nick Wiger and I were

1001
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: walking through Boston. My hometown ish from Brookline, and I

1002
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: was like, there is the Boston Common. They used to

1003
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: concerts on the Common and I said, that's where I

1004
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: saw my first concert. Said oh wow, what was it?

1005
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: I said, well, it was the Thompson Twins and he goes,

1006
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: who are They just silently walked into traffic. That was fine.

1007
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: My first is Halling Notates Hall of Notates till Tuesday opening.

1008
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Friend Amy Man, I would say, a friend

1009
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: of friend of all, friend of all people. My experience

1010
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: was cheap trick first show. And my experience with Amy

1011
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: Man is I've met her a couple of times, briefly

1012
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: as she's fleeing the room because more than five people

1013
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: have showed up at the party. Hey man, it's very social.

1014
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: And she goes on the Jonathan Colton cruise, which really, yeah,

1015
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: could have been on right, you should never been invited.

1016
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: Really we haven't. But we can buy tickets. I think

1017
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: it's what John saying. No, I think, well, I'm selling tickets.

1018
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: That's why I'm here. Let me get my cigar box.

1019
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: I'll write out some write out some tickets for you.

1020
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: So so anyway, Mysterious Jean would show up to my

1021
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: shows and at the foot of the stage. After every

1022
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: show he would be standing there, and I considered a

1023
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: mysterious Geene because I hadn't bothered to learn his last

1024
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: name and be he was acting mysteriously. He would just

1025
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: lurk at the foot of the stage and bestow upon

1026
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:36,959
Speaker 1: me a new extinct hockey hat that he had found somewhere. Yeah,

1027
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: like multiple times so like the Vancouver Millionaires who were

1028
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: who were the became the Vancouver Canucks, the Montreal Wanderers

1029
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: who were the English language community team hockey team in Montreal,

1030
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, because the Canadians were there, and are the

1031
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: French now that the only hockey team. Why am I

1032
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: talking about sports as we're talking, because you're know you've

1033
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: traped out of extinct hockeing into like real hot Yeah,

1034
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: I know it's I'm act become infected with a certain

1035
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: amount of actual sports knowledge. You're done with big hockey.

1036
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: Well that's the beauty of like as a as a

1037
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: non I never under I never got into sports because sports,

1038
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: as I discussed in the book, sports tends to be

1039
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: about um winning. It seems like winning is the point

1040
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: of their sports. And that's and I am only I've

1041
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: only ever been a fan of an underdog like and

1042
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: so I could get with. Growing up in Boston, I

1043
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: could talk I'll be fine with the Red Sox because

1044
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: they losers for so long and they were in this

1045
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: constant battle against the quintessential bullies of sports, the Yankees,

1046
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: and then they would they would fail. What are you

1047
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: talking about? Because when I was going up the Red

1048
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: Sox were like Wade Boggs and Roger Clemens, and they

1049
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: were not losing, No, they weren't losers, but they wouldn't

1050
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: make it. They would lose to New York, but they

1051
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: beat everybody else and there listen to New York either.

1052
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: It was just it was always a there was always

1053
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: the curse, right right, yeah, like, oh yeah, that was

1054
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: probably the World Series between the New York between the

1055
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: Mets and uh right, yeah, the Miracle Mets. But you're

1056
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: talking why are we talking about this? I thought the

1057
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: Miracle Mets was six. It could be, I can't. But

1058
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about the curse, which is the fact that

1059
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: the Boston Red Sox traded away Babe Ruth forever cursed. Yeah,

1060
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: and they were right, and they were cursed, and they

1061
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: were and they were never they couldn't win. They couldn't

1062
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: win the World Series and they couldn't They didn't go

1063
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: to the World Series for a long time. And when

1064
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: they did, the ball went right through Bill Buckner's legs

1065
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: um and that, you know, I could get behind that

1066
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: because they were these consistent underdogs. When they won the

1067
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: World Series, I was like, you guys are dead to me.

1068
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: I can't I can't handle that. I can't handle that.

1069
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: So the hockey is always underdog no matter what, even

1070
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: at the highest level, because it's the least. It's the

1071
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: minor ist of the major league sport. Yeah, and everyone

1072
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: everyone who is a hockey fan in the United States,

1073
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, is some is to some degree a man

1074
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: or woman without a country, and that country is Canada.

1075
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: Like you just don't have it's you know, their teams

1076
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: are constantly failing and moving and renaming. I mean they

1077
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: have hockey in Phoenix, in Las Vegas. Yeah, it's ridiculous,

1078
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: but you will. You make the point in the book

1079
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: that like, even in a big city, it's still like

1080
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: the little brother to the you know, baseball or basketball

1081
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: or football or something. And hockey fans are They're true.

1082
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they're true fans. But I don't want to

1083
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: give away too much, but I I do. After my

1084
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: fascination with extinct hockey takes root. I talked in the

1085
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: book about I wonder whether I would like actual hockey,

1086
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: and I go to an actual hockey game, and for

1087
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: the most part, I found it be awesome, charming, it's

1088
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: nice that that cool air. It's just so bizarre to

1089
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: be in a building and cold like, and it's a

1090
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: certain kind of cold that feels good, make a lot fun.

1091
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: It's it's the one sport that seeing it live really like,

1092
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: even if you're not a fan, you could probably enjoy

1093
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: a three hour experience. Yeah, well, what hockeyists are amazing?

1094
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: You know. Ice skating alone is impossible enough, you know,

1095
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: just to prevent yourself from falling down all that time,

1096
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: never mind doing it backwards. And then someone hands you

1097
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: a stick and says, now, hit that piece of hard

1098
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,959
Speaker 1: rubber into that tiny hard Yeah it's I I can't

1099
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: I can't imagine it's it's so it's so challenging that you,

1100
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, the tension of the hockey games. You're waiting

1101
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: for this almost impossible event of getting a goal. It's

1102
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: like waiting to see a quantum event. So there's all

1103
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: that's built up tension, and there's massive reliefs when it happened.

1104
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: But it happened so quickly, like usually you look away

1105
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: for a second and uh, and then you miss it.

1106
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: But you know, I I enjoyed. I enjoyed. The hockey

1107
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: itself was very charming because it was a Pittsburgh Penguins

1108
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: game for whatever reason and against the Tampa Tampa bad guys. Yeah,

1109
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: lightning right. I was. I was a Penguins person because

1110
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: Ron Frans Ron Francis went from the went from the

1111
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: Whalers to play for the So there was a whaler's

1112
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: legacy there. And I stuff at the Penguins. Well no, no,

1113
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: not necessarily, I no, no, no, no. People are really

1114
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: into Whalers merchandise now, I think largely because of my

1115
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: personal lobbying for the amazing, the amazing sports design. Uh

1116
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: the logo by Peter Good and West Hartford, Connecticut. Um.

1117
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: But before I went to this game, I called a

1118
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: hockey blogger that I know, Greg Wushninsky, and uh, of

1119
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: course he's a hockey blogger. And I was like, I'm

1120
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: thinking of wharing my my whaler's hat to this hockey game.

1121
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't want anyone to hit me.

1122
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't want I figure it's fine, but I just

1123
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: wanted to double check that there are no deep rivalries

1124
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: or thing that I'm going to be you know, triggering

1125
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: among the And he said it was it was probably

1126
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: people have a lot of fondness for the Whalers, and

1127
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: that was fine, but I didn't I decided not to.

1128
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: I bought a penguin's hat, and I wore the penguin's hat.

1129
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: And the thing about extinct talky that is that is

1130
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: so that is different from the thing about real hockey.

1131
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: Actual hockey is different. Extinctalky is extinct talky. The outcome

1132
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: is known. They lost, you know what I mean. You

1133
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: just feel sad. You think about it, right, and actual

1134
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: hockey is out it's unfolding in front of you. Don't

1135
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: know the outcome. And as you know, I cannot tolerate ambiguity.

1136
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: I dislike it very much. And I came down to

1137
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: sudden death and I got really, really really nervous. And

1138
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: Greg Greg had told me that Greg had told me that,

1139
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, when he would get nervous growing up watching hockey,

1140
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: he would drink pink lemonade as a as a young person,

1141
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: and that would that would help the team win. And

1142
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: I was offended by that because I don't love sports,

1143
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: but I have appreciation for athletes than what they're doing

1144
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: is the the product of hard work and training and

1145
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: and and physics and physical space. And you probably don't

1146
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: believe in superstition either, Yeah, I believe in science, and

1147
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: I think It's an insult to athletes for Greg to

1148
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: think he can control their bodies with his mind and beverage.

1149
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: To see a kid. He was a kid at the time,

1150
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: but you know, there's plenty of adult plenty of supermissions.

1151
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: And of course, in that moment in sudden death, after

1152
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, three periods and a couple of overtimes or whatever,

1153
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: however was there has been a lot of hockey. I

1154
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: was like tired and cold, and I had loved the hockey,

1155
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: but I was ready for hockey to be over. But

1156
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: I wanted my my team to win, the Penguins. Let's

1157
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: go Pens. And at that moment of sudden death, I'm like,

1158
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna put on my heart for

1159
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: whale ers at because it's going to help them win.

1160
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: Like science was abandoned, and all of a sudden I

1161
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: was I was not really superstitions. I was convinced that

1162
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: my my putting on a different hat was going to

1163
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: affect the outcome of what was happening on the ice.

1164
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: And when you think about it makes sense. Whalers penguins,

1165
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: they're both marine animals. They're gonna work for each other,

1166
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And of course I put

1167
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: on the whaler's hat. Within a seven seconds, Penguins lose,

1168
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: really Penguins lose, and just like the whole the whole

1169
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:28,479
Speaker 1: arena went dark. I felt like, and only I knew

1170
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: that I had caused it to happen. Did you keep

1171
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: it to yourself? Of course I did not tell anyone.

1172
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry everybody, I that I forced the outcome. The

1173
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,439
Speaker 1: Penguins did not win. Was it a playoff game or anything?

1174
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: Or just a playoff game? But I think that that year, don't.

1175
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: I don't think they were eliminated. It was fine. They went.

1176
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: They went on to do some more good hockey. So

1177
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: what's the h on your head? Oh? So Jean would

1178
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: bring right, mysterious Jean would mysteriously like would mysteriously appear.

1179
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: He would operate Harry Potter style to the stage with

1180
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: a new hat and the right and then oh, there

1181
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: is one the Brooklyn Americans, which is a wait, wait,

1182
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: just keep keep staying with mysterious change. No, that was

1183
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: another he gave. There was a hockey team that played

1184
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: for one season and then he started running out of

1185
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: hockey teams, and he gave me this hat, which is

1186
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: his really cool hat. It is not a hockey hat however,

1187
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: and it is an existing sports team, but it is.

1188
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: It is. It is a sports team in Japan. Okay,

1189
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: is it a baseball team? It is a baseball team

1190
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: and it is. Do you want to? I have no idea.

1191
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: I've never seen it before. Baseball teams in Japan are

1192
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: often organized around corporations. I don't know whether the corporations

1193
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: formed the teams or sponsor the teams. But this is

1194
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: a longstanding Japanese baseball team, like the Zerox Tigers or

1195
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: something like the equivalent. Yeah, this is the company. The

1196
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: NH is Nipon hamm Yeah, and these are the Nippon

1197
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: ham Fighters, So it's the Nippon ham Fighters. That's a

1198
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: crazy great hat. Yeah. I mean the logo doesn't really

1199
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: get that across that their Ham or Fighters no in Japanese.

1200
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: But the story behind it's pretty great. It's a pretty

1201
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: good it's a pretty good looking logo and anyone can

1202
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: look it up. It's the old fashioned one. If you're listening,

1203
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: it's no hard Ford Whalers logo. But that I'll tell

1204
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: you something that you know. I was I was in Boston,

1205
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: um doing doing another podcast, The Doughboys, podcast. Sorry, who

1206
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: are breathing down our next? Yeah, they're coming for you,

1207
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: don't boys are coming in no small part because you're

1208
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: aiding them apparently. I'm no, I'm just I'm what. What

1209
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: is it when you are on the highway and you

1210
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,959
Speaker 1: drive real, real close to the back of a truck

1211
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: back draftingrafting right? Yeah, that's how you you get mileage right,

1212
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: because you're not you're reducing wind shear against you. You're

1213
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: you're riding in their wake. That's what I'm saying. They

1214
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: do that I'm doing with you guys, is what I'm

1215
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: doing the dough boys. It's a way to go. You're drafting.

1216
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: Just I'm just grabbing on and hanging on. I hope

1217
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: you guys will bring me, but you don't need any help.

1218
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: You have your own podcast, Judge John cult Classics. I

1219
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: think it's bigger than ever too. It's doing very well.

1220
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm amazed, and you know doing it not quite as

1221
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: long as you guys have been doing. But it's been

1222
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: on for a long time. And I know people who

1223
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: point to judgments that you've made to settle other disputes,

1224
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: like no hodgement rule, that hot dog is not a sandwich,

1225
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: hot dog is not a sandwich. People like that. Uh,

1226
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: it's okay. I'm not going to get in. Yeah, I

1227
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: mean it is not a sandwich at all. I don't

1228
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: understand how that's true. Do you think it's a sandwich.

1229
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: I it's not that I think it's a sandwich. It's

1230
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: more I realize I'm inviting Hodgman to explain, and I'm refusing.

1231
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't see how it has how

1232
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: they I just think I have to go listen to

1233
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: that episode because I'm more aware of the cultural aspect

1234
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: of your ruling then I am with the actual episode.

1235
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: Actually wasn't It wasn't an episode. I also write a

1236
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: little column net in the New York Times magazine called

1237
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: Judge John Hodgman. No one who reads the magazine knows

1238
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: that there is a podcast called Judge John Hodgman. I

1239
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: thank you, Josh. You are of course the exception proves

1240
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: every rule, and no one, no one who listens to

1241
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: the podcast ever reads the New York Times magazine, and

1242
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: I do once again exception. But someone had written in

1243
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: uh that he and his buddy were having a fight

1244
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: where the hot dog was a sandwich. I had to

1245
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: think about it. For a long time because I appreciate

1246
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: why you would sort of say, well, of course it is,

1247
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: but there is something weird and different about it that

1248
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: makes the question sticky, right, I mean, like, and I

1249
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: was trying to think, you know, what would be the

1250
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: disqualifying factor? What would be the trait? Because there are

1251
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: many traits that hot dogs and a typical sandwich you know,

1252
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: your class and a sandwich nip on Ham go fighters

1253
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: uh having common in terms of bread and and filling,

1254
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: proportion and style whatever condiments, especially like Chicago style. It's

1255
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 1: a sandwich. He as a hot dog, and it's obviously shaped.

1256
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,879
Speaker 1: It's obviously shaped different than a classic nippon Ham sandwich,

1257
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: like straight up square cutting triangle with bread that's not

1258
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: connected right, No, I think that's a big one. Yeah,

1259
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 1: And so is that the disqualifying thing that it's shaped

1260
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: and it has connected bread. Well, I would say, I

1261
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: would never strike me to say that a sub or

1262
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: a HOGI or a hero is not a sandwich. Oh,

1263
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,839
Speaker 1: that's a great point. Hero ain't nothing but a sandwich.

1264
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: According to young adult literature, I don't know that that's

1265
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: an old goose bumps reference or even before then, Remember,

1266
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: how are you boys, It's like a Thompson Twins era thing. Man,

1267
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 1: I'm older. I'm older. I'm not young like you guys,

1268
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: you're my same exact age. I'm two months older than you.

1269
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: But finally, the thing is that true March your June right,

1270
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm June. Yeah? Oh yeah, happy birthday, old man, you're

1271
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: young a hard Happy birthday to you both. So hot

1272
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: dogs so that you didn't want to explain this again,

1273
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: but now it happened, So I said, what what is

1274
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: the what is the other trait that hot dog? What?

1275
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: What is is there any disqualifying trait that would that

1276
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: a hot dog would have that a sandwich wouldn't, or

1277
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: vice versa. And then I realized, like, well, yeah, ahogia hero,

1278
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: sub grinder, wedge sandwich they call those wedges and buffalo

1279
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: you you you you would cut those in half and

1280
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: share them. Any sandwich, anything that I consider a sandwich,

1281
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: you cut it in half and share. Like soup and

1282
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: a half sandwich, that's a thing. You never get soup

1283
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: and a half hot dog. That'd be weird. Would you

1284
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: cut in foot long in half? Well, I'm not saying

1285
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: you physically can't. No, you would never. I would never ever, ever, ever,

1286
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 1: ever cut wouldn't have I love. It's like to appease

1287
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: an extremely not extremely pigy job, but a child. Sure

1288
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: what I mean? Right? You just made me physically high.

1289
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: You did something in my brain with that disqualified. Plus,

1290
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: the hot dog Bun has that that metal door hinge

1291
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: on the bottom. Pokey can too. Yeah, they don't have

1292
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: a metal door hinge. Yeah, alright, you get settle door hinge. Yeah,

1293
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: that's what the hot dog bun. That's how it fits together, right, metal. Yeah,

1294
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: it's got that metal door hinge. That's what happened to

1295
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: your teeth? H's what happened. I was doing a bit guys,

1296
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: so sorry, sorry, So I've read this book of yours.

1297
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: This is what your fifth book. This is my fifth book.

1298
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: Medallion Status do out October, hardcover. I believe you you

1299
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 1: in hardcover, also electronic printing pre ordered. It's available for

1300
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: pre order and audio book also all available on oct

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01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: and depending on when you hear this, you may either

1302
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: order or pre order it at bit dot lee Slash.

1303
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: Medallion Status all one word, all capital letters, and I'll

1304
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: take you to your anywhere you buy books, including indie bound.

1305
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: If you want to connect with your local two ells

1306
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: in medallion these days? Two ells in medallion? Did I

1307
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: spell it wrong in my mind now or on my book?

1308
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: Is that one of the typos you found? So they

1309
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: in this book. It is dripping with nostalgia. And one

1310
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: of the things you're kind of famous for on our

1311
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 1: podcast these Days is for considering nostalgia to be utterly toxic. Toxic.

1312
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember coming on a couple

1313
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: of years ago. I remember very much, and nostalgia is

1314
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: a toxic impulse. Is also so how do you become

1315
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: a man? A meaningful point of settled law? And Judge

1316
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: John Hodge where people are trying to erase progress and

1317
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: believe it can be done, and I think that that's

1318
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: a terrible social movement. And culturally, when we get too

1319
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: fond over fond of the past and just want to

1320
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: live in it and live in it, living it, you've

1321
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: got a culture where they're making Battlestar Galactica again, right, No,

1322
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: I mean just today you know they're they're rebooting Battlestar

1323
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: Galactica a third while now a second I hadn't heard that.

1324
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: Is there a one? I don't know, just because just

1325
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 1: because I believe that it's a piece of toxic nostalgia

1326
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I don't need a job. I had one.

1327
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 1: I had a bit role. I had a bit role

1328
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: on on the On the two thousand three to two

1329
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: thousand nine, Ronald D. Moore David like show run Battlestar

1330
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: Galactic sci. I was in the fourth season, and um,

1331
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: I did not do a good job and it's not

1332
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 1: worth watching. What was your big line? These pretzels are

1333
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: making me thirsty. It really is a very I think

1334
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: I was referring to a guy's brain scan and I

1335
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: was a brain doctor Space brain doctor, right, and I

1336
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: was like, it really is a very lovely image. All

1337
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: I care about is how how crazy. All I care

1338
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: about is how uh perfectly this bullet got lodged in

1339
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: his main character's brain and his wife Starbuck, is like

1340
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: freaking out because he can't speak anymore because he's gotten,

1341
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: um what, he's shot in the brain. He's been shot

1342
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: in the brain and it's it's effective, you know, but

1343
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: like we call it word salad, but it has a

1344
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: a term. A brain a brain injury that causes you

1345
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: to be able to and aphasia. Yeah, yeah, so he's

1346
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: going into a phasia fugue States, and I'm like, yeah,

1347
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: it's called words out, it happens. But anyway, this is

1348
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: really amazing. I thought Starbuck was the name of the

1349
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: robot and Buck Rogers. Know you're talking about tweaking tweaky.

1350
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: Maybe you need a little more nostalgia. Maybe I'll prescribe

1351
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: a little bit for you. I've been avoiding it ever

1352
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: since you came on last time, so I'm like, wow,

1353
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: if it is, I feel bad if you interpreted that is,

1354
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: I think. Never think about that, really, John, I was

1355
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:53,799
Speaker 1: just going through here looking for something, something that Joshy

1356
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: Sandbag is known for. So this book actually made me

1357
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: laugh out loud multiple times. Thank you very much, Like

1358
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: I can't remember last time I read something that made

1359
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: me laugh out out. Did you not read Vacation Land,

1360
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: my previous book. I actually did not. He didn't know

1361
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: I haven't read. Well that's interesting because yeah, this is

1362
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: my fifth book. But for the first three, obviously or

1363
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: perhaps not so obviously, were were compendiums of fake triviua

1364
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: of fake facts, and yeah, I loved I loved making them,

1365
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: although by the third one I was like, I cannot

1366
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 1: come up with a a Zeppelin joke. Anymore, like like,

1367
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 1: this is not what I want to be doing anymore.

1368
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: And by that time, you know, a lot of people

1369
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: were venturing into fake facts as a as a cultural

1370
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: and political tool, and I wanted to get away from that.

1371
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: And so you took a long break though between writing these, said, Well,

1372
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: it was a couple of years when I was just

1373
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: going up on stage in in Brooklyn, just telling whatever

1374
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: stories I could tell to make people engaged and laugh ideally,

1375
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: and then collecting extinct hockey caps from mysterious gene at

1376
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,879
Speaker 1: the end of the night. And then I finally compiled

1377
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: those what I was trying to figure out what I

1378
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: still had to say, and what I realized about those

1379
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: stories were they were all true. They weren't dissembling, they

1380
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: were an arch they weren't absurd as humor. They were

1381
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: just sort of first person stories from my life in

1382
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: vacation land as I was transitioning um from one geographical

1383
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: place to another, from Brooklyn, New York to rural Maine,

1384
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: where we spend a lot of time now and from

1385
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: and traveling through a different wilderness of middle age, and

1386
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: sort of adjusting to the fact that I was The

1387
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: time does move forward and I'm not. I'm not staying

1388
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: the same age. Well, the book makes it sound like

1389
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: you're well, thank you very much. Well, so medallion status

1390
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: is not, you know, it is stories from the same

1391
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: period of time. But rather than talking about the time

1392
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 1: that I spent in the in the cold, painful beaches

1393
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 1: and cold painful water of Maine, back on the road,

1394
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: working on various television shows and all the various weird jobs.

1395
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: Because you talk about the Coolidge Corner movie house, I

1396
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: talked about all the weird jobs that I've always had,

1397
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: including the weirdest job you know that was the most

1398
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: recent one, which was this unexpected experience of being on

1399
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: television and being somewhat famous, and then the experience of

1400
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: sort of losing that job, not completely just did it.

1401
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 1: Just did a two episode arc on the unnamed television program. Yeah,

1402
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: it's really maddening just how little you actually name in here.

1403
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: You don't name drop almost at all. Oh, well, that's true,

1404
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess. I don't know why I did that,

1405
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: because you could probably figure out all the different shows

1406
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: and I'm referring to. But it's just if you don't

1407
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: do that, it becomes this kind of ongoing saga, what

1408
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: show is he talking to? I'm here too, I'm here

1409
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,759
Speaker 1: to unload. Killed a couple of times. Yeah, what shows

1410
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: were you killed on? I was killed on UM. I

1411
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: just remembered another one. That's why I paused, because the

1412
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,759
Speaker 1: two that I always remember are The Nick and blind Spot.

1413
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: But I was also killed on John Glaziers Do Located.

1414
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: But that's a different story. My main deaths. We're on

1415
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: NBC thriller blind Spot. Did not see that. Uh, well,

1416
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: you're one of a few people in the world because yeah,

1417
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: is a huge internationally. It's well, not so great because

1418
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: I got killed. Is it the one where you were

1419
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: a bad FBI agent? I was an evil FBI, evil

1420
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: FBI agent who was a meanie to every all the

1421
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: nice people. I also was killed off screen in The Nick,

1422
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: which did the Soderberg's thing, um, but the blind The

1423
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: blind Spot death was particularly frustrating because the show was

1424
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 1: was created by a friend of mine who had been

1425
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: UM a producer and writer on Board to Death, which

1426
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: is a HBO, was one of my faiths me too,

1427
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: and I really missed that and everybody Martin created at

1428
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: this new show, which is this thriller that is very

1429
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: smart and fun, and and a second bunch of puzzles

1430
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: and visually very distinctive and and it was very proud

1431
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: to be I was very proud to be asked to

1432
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: be a small part of it. But you know, all

1433
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: those things are great. But the really great thing about

1434
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: blind Spot is, and I'm not sure everyone who watches

1435
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: it around the world appreciates this, particularly great thing about

1436
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: blind Spot is that it shoots at Steiner Studios, which

1437
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: is a twenty minute drive from my house. That's it

1438
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: was the greatest. It was like going like as a

1439
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: person who has held tons and tons of different weird,

1440
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: oddball jobs from literary agent to uh cheesemonger, to traffic

1441
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: counter to famous minor television personality to podcast or to whatever.

1442
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: You know. It's a it's a wonderful, itinerant experience where

1443
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: you learn a lot and you get to meet a

1444
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 1: lot of people. But at you're hustling all the time, hustle, hustle,

1445
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: hustle to just drive to my job and park at

1446
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: this video and then go in and then have a

1447
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 1: little breakfast and then say my words and make my faces,

1448
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: which is what acting is, and then drive home like

1449
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: a straight up dad the greatest board to death was

1450
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: in your neighborhood too, right, Board to death shot there,

1451
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: a lot board to death shot all over the all

1452
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 1: over Brooklyn, however, but blind s about a lot of it.

1453
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: She's just right in that studio and it was just

1454
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: this controlled, comfortable environment and they have snacks for you.

1455
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: I was like, this is I'm ready, like I'll do

1456
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: this for the rest of my life. I'll cancel everything else.

1457
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blind spot it till the end. And then

1458
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: Martin goes, did you read the next script? And I'm

1459
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: like no. He's like, oh, you don't like it? And

1460
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: I did like it because it turned out my character

1461
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 1: was a monster, But then that monster got put down.

1462
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: Rather than being a monster for years on the show,

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01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 1: I was a monster for a second on the show.

1464
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: And I got and I and I got the evil

1465
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: FBI agent got shot dead by the nice by the

1466
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: nice ees, and and I was like, I don't want

1467
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,560
Speaker 1: that to happen. And I said to and many times like,

1468
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: is there any you know I know this? A lot

1469
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: of people who die on the show come back as

1470
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: like a flashback or a hallucination. And he goes, yeah,

1471
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: that happens like what what if? What if I what if?

1472
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: What if I come back as a hallucination or a flashback.

1473
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: I don't think that's really gonna have an idea. How

1474
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: about I come back as my own twin, except instead

1475
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: of as an evil twin plot line, is a good twin.

1476
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm a good twin and I don't and I am

1477
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: not mean to everybody, and they make me part of

1478
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: the good guy club and he's like, Matt will never

1479
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: never ever happen. But it was the show that sort

1480
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: of started the maximum in my career. And I would

1481
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: say to show runners whenever I would hire, be hired

1482
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: in the guest role or whatever, I'd be like, you

1483
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: gotta kill me. You gotta kill me in the show,

1484
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: because every show that I that I am killed in

1485
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 1: becomes a huge commercial and critical success, and every show

1486
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: that I live in gets kimped. Yeah, and you almost, um,

1487
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: this is a part that you would have gotten killed

1488
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: in but did not. Was breaking bad? You almost played

1489
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: Gabe was a Gabe? Which one was Gabe? I don't,

1490
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 1: I don't. It was a major character in the second

1491
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: or third season. I remember the actor who was cast,

1492
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: David Costabile or David Costable is how he pronounces his name.

1493
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: I always thought it was costabile. But he's an incredible actor,

1494
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: Okavid Constable, And you've seen him in everything from the

1495
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 1: Wire Too uh to Fly to the Concords. I think

1496
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: he's on billions or something now. He's a constantly working

1497
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: actor and entirely appropriately and frankly did a much better

1498
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: job than I could have done in that role. But

1499
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: I had been offered that role. And this is a

1500
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: role of um waltz uh assistant after he and Jesse

1501
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 1: part who gets killed? Who does get killed? Spoiler for

1502
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: those of you who have not watched all the Breaking

1503
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: bed and um and I was afraid to take the

1504
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,560
Speaker 1: job because it meant going and spending a lot of

1505
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: time in Albuquerque, and I was just made me scared,

1506
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: like I'm leaving my family behind and being Albuquerque. And

1507
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,560
Speaker 1: it was a terrible mistake for me. I mean it

1508
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 1: was it like, yeah, I should have left my family behind.

1509
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: They would have handled it. It would have been incredible

1510
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: learning opportunity for me and an incredible experience. Um and

1511
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: so it was a terrible mistake for me. A great

1512
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 1: outcome for Breaking Bad, but you because they got David

1513
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: Constable to do it, and I'm sure, I'm I mean,

1514
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 1: what he brought to that, and I'm sure his role

1515
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: got much bigger because of what he was doing. I'm

1516
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 1: sure if I had gotten that role there would like,

1517
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: can we kill him sooner? Let's not, let's not draw

1518
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: this out, Let's just have this happen right away. And

1519
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: I saw him uh at at a coffee shop in

1520
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: New York, Eisenberg's my favorite old timy coffee shop, and

1521
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 1: he was there and I just said, I'm I'm really

1522
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: glad you got that role. He's like, it's actually it's

1523
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: pronounced constable, he said, I always thought it was Costa bile.

1524
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,799
Speaker 1: How does it? How is it pronounced? On the audio

1525
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 1: version of Medallion Status, I don't know his I did

1526
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: not mention his name. I didn't really. I only told

1527
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: that story and in reflection in Medallion's Yeah, because in

1528
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: the book you say um like go to say yes,

1529
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: which I thought was really it's a good it's good advice. Yeah,

1530
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: you know. I was asked the subtitle of the book

1531
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: is True Stories from Secret Rooms. Because I've always been adept,

1532
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: even before I was whatever, I am famous of sort

1533
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 1: of getting getting into getting into rooms that I wasn't

1534
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: necessarily invited into UM and I loved peering into secret

1535
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 1: societies of different kinds. And you know, when you when

1536
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: you were on TV a little bit, you get invited

1537
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: into gifting lounges at the Emmy's and into private parties

1538
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then I than but on my own

1539
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 1: without and I guess because I had a little bit

1540
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: of Famale house, I was able to weasel my way

1541
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 1: into a dinner at Yale University of a secret society.

1542
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: They're called booking Snake and the secret societies at Yale

1543
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: University are you in into Yale and Yales a very

1544
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: old college. It predates frats, so they had to come

1545
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: up with other systems for young men to hang around

1546
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: each other and lived together. So they're like they were

1547
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: still figuring it out. So they're like they had two experiments.

1548
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 1: One was uh, secret societies, which are these senior societies

1549
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 1: about fifteen to twenty seniors originally all men at the time,

1550
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, but a book Skull and Bones is the

1551
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: most famous ones. And snake, um Scroll and Key or

1552
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: some of the other ones. And they inhabit these these

1553
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: windowless these beautiful but looks like like beautiful old municipal buildings,

1554
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: architecturally very significant, built in the nineteen winnies or so,

1555
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: and often as ignated landmarks. And they have no windows,

1556
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: and they're just clubhouses for seniors. It's like it's they're

1557
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 1: they're like tomb they're called tombs, and they're you know,

1558
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: sort of museums of white privilege that you wander. And

1559
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: then the other thing that the other idea they came

1560
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 1: up with was like how many acapella How many acapella

1561
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: singing groups can we have? Thirty five? It's like there's

1562
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: more acapella per per capita in New Haven than anywhere

1563
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: else on the earth, and no one's doing anything about it,

1564
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: was shutting it down. So I had wanted to go

1565
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: into Book and Snake. This is part of the reason

1566
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: I maybe the reason I apply to Yale, because I

1567
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: was fascinated by these clubs, and I had gotten invited

1568
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: to go to one um as a freshman, a party

1569
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: at Book and Snake, and I was so excited that

1570
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 1: I got ruinously drunk. As soon as I was in there,

1571
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: I fell down the stairs, hit my head, woke up

1572
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 1: in the hospital. I was very lucky that nothing has happened. Yeah,

1573
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: that's pretty lucky. And you could have been an offering

1574
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: that evening. Maybe that was what was supposed to have happened.

1575
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 1: But they found somehow, they found me screaming the New Haven,

1576
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: bloody wearing wearing nothing but a but a loincloth and

1577
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 1: a goat mask. I don't know what happened. It was wild,

1578
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: but like all of them, and I tried to remember.

1579
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: All I wanted to do was see inside this building.

1580
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: And I had, I had been in there, but all

1581
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: of my memory of the inside had been erased. I

1582
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: could not remember what had happened. I remember the last

1583
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 1: thing I remember was walking up to the door. I'm like, blood,

1584
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: these secrets, societies, No, they're stuff. He really came out

1585
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: or erase a mind, Just get somebody liquored up and

1586
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: push him down the well. And I think, I think

1587
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: I did it myself. But when I got when I

1588
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: got a little bit of renown and was would tell

1589
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 1: this story on stage, and it was getting around. I

1590
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: was I was contacted by a couple of booking snakes,

1591
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: yeah snaky's. I won't say their names. It was a

1592
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: man and a woman. We'll call him booker and snake. You,

1593
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: and they said, why don't you come to dinner, And

1594
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I want to come to dinner in

1595
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:15,759
Speaker 1: this clubhouse. And I went and it was so weird

1596
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: and exciting too, and like, you know, life, life doesn't

1597
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: offer perfect circles very often. And the the image as

1598
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: on the cover of the book by Aaron Rapplin of

1599
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 1: the the logo of Book and Snake is a book

1600
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: and a snake an Ora boros a snake eating its

1601
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: own tail. So it's like this perfect Like that's a

1602
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 1: that's a symbol of eternity and also a symbol of

1603
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: the dumbest snake in the world. Maybe I like that

1604
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: snake was about to eat my own butt by going

1605
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: back in. But we had a wonderful time, and you know,

1606
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: they were really nice, young young people. Um, there was

1607
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: some older alumni who would come in, Like there was

1608
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: one guy, James, who's in his early thirties and he

1609
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 1: just told me he'd just been appointed. Public transportations are

1610
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: for New Haven. I'm like, you know, if there any

1611
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: Alex Jones people out there who are wondering, is the

1612
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: is the public transportation of uh some some small southern

1613
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: Connecticut cities run by secret societies. The answer is, yes,

1614
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: Illuminati is real. If they're they're running your public buses

1615
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: in Haven and um, it was just we had a

1616
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: fun time. We're hanging out and at some point the

1617
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 1: the young people, out of politeness, said, you know, well,

1618
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: you know, what's the what what would you say as

1619
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 1: a secret to your success such as it is? You know,

1620
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: and you can keep secrets, you know, that's right. The

1621
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: answer was go on television that the advice, the advice

1622
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 1: that I gave them was, first of all, don't get

1623
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: drunk and fall down the stairs. Please, don't get drunk

1624
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 1: and fall down the stairs. Don't, you know, don't think

1625
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: that you're immortal, you know, don't especially you know, white

1626
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 1: white guys truly don't understand that they're breakable until until

1627
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: they get older. You don't grow up with the sense

1628
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: of my body can be harmed or taken at any moment,

1629
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:18,600
Speaker 1: m by another figure of authority or another person in

1630
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 1: the way non white guys feel every day, you know

1631
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, so they do things like jump

1632
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: off cliffs in Hawaii, climb up mountains and fall downstairs

1633
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 1: because they think they're immortal. But you're not. You can

1634
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: fall down you can break your neck and die. So

1635
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: don't do drunk and stay down the stairs. And the

1636
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: other thing is the secret of my success. It's the

1637
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: same secret for what brought me to the Secret Society,

1638
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: which is someone invited me to do something and I

1639
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: said yes, and you know, don't say you know if

1640
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,839
Speaker 1: if you're not If you're invited to do something interesting

1641
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: and it's not going to hurt you or somebody else,

1642
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: you should say yes. You should see what happens. That's

1643
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's so much harder to to to do

1644
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 1: sometimes than than is said. But it's it is just

1645
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: that it's core good advice. Well, I'm an incredibly smart person.

1646
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: These kids, these kids I'm sure have thrived in my wake.

1647
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like I didn't say yes to

1648
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: that job in Albuquerque, and I regret it. I could

1649
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: have easily said yes. But people asking you to do

1650
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: interesting things is also it's it means sometimes having to

1651
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: leave a job, but means sometimes having to tell someone

1652
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: you care about you're gonna be away for a while.

1653
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: It means your comfort change and your and what time

1654
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: you wake up, you know what I mean. And it's

1655
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: really easy to come up with a lot of reasons

1656
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: why you would say no. But if it's it's better

1657
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: to just say yes and see what happens. And I haven't,

1658
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 1: I've hardly I've certainly failed in that a lot. But

1659
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: take that, Nancy Reagan. Yeah, just say just say, just

1660
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: say yes. Do you have any tour dates that you

1661
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: want to plug? Yeah? So, uh, all all of my

1662
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: I'll just preface this by saying all my tour dates

1663
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: are available at John Hodgman dot com slash tour Beautiful.

1664
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: The Medallion Status tour is going to be taking me

1665
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: to famous John Hodgman stomping grounds like Brookline, Massachusetts, Symphony

1666
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 1: Space where I'll be talking with our friend Elizabeth Gilbert.

1667
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, where I'll be talking with our friend Damie Mann.

1668
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:28,879
Speaker 1: Uh San Francisco. We're I'll be talking with my friends Linus,

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01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,879
Speaker 1: the Corgy and Choppers, the Corky too famous Corgies of Instagram,

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Speaker 1: who figure prominently in this book. They are too famous Corkies. Yeah,

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01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 1: they're on the cover. Look, I want the book to sell,

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01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I put to two

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01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: quaries on the cover. I'm guaranteed a ten percent bump

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01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 1: in the sales. But when I One of the stories

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01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: I talked. One of the secret rooms that I got

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01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: into was a party at during San Francisco Sketch Fest

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01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: at Adam Savage's workshop, the MythBusters. Adam Savage plows all

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01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: of his myth sister's money into his deep, deep, and

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01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,799
Speaker 1: rewarding hobby of proper replication. Have you been to his workshop?

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01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 1: I have not. We should we should go there. Sometimes

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01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: I would look to it sounds amazing like he just

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01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: he makes things from the movies. So he'll make a

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01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 1: perfect replica of Tom Scarrett space suit from Alien or

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01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,799
Speaker 1: that Blade Runner. Yeah, he's made this. Making making Harrison

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01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 1: Ford's blaster from Blade Runner has been this lifelong pursuit

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01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,679
Speaker 1: that he's perfected and perfected. I mean he he's made

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01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 1: I think six for other people and six more for

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01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: himself or something like that, like just in case it

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01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 1: goes down and there's and there or do they actually function? No, no,

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01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:39,560
Speaker 1: no they don't. And he's got he's got like a

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01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 1: Han solo and carbonite hanging up in there, and he's

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01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 1: got a full size Admiral lack Bar that Admiral Ackbar

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01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: is dressed at dressed up in uh Napoleonic War era

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01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:54,759
Speaker 1: naval uniform that is a perfect replica of Mastering Russell

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01:33:54,800 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: Crowe's causton and Mastering Commander. And I wasn't this party enjoying,

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01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: this exclusive invitation only party with all these other comedians

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01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: enjoying which just watching and enjoying nerd minds exploding. And

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01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: I see these two dogs in there, and I'm turning

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01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 1: to Kevin Murphy and like who invited the people with

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01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 1: the dogs? And he goes, Oh, the people weren't invited.

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01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: The dogs were invited. Like what he says, Yeah, that's

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01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the line is the Corgy and Choppers of the quarter

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01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 1: to famous corgies of Instagram. My friend Connor Lestoca is

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01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 1: a huge fan of theirs and invited to the party.

1705
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait a minute, I just I just

1706
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: performed comedy on stage in English that I speak on

1707
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 1: two legs, not four, and I can sweat all over

1708
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: my body. I don't have to have to pant. And

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01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: these guys are getting invited to my exclusive party because

1710
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:50,679
Speaker 1: they're dogs. They probably don't even know what planet Admiral

1711
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 1: Lackbar is from. Answer is mom, Calamari, there you go, dogs?

1712
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: It real, mon, Calamari, Mom Calumar. It is a dumb, terrible,

1713
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:03,719
Speaker 1: dumb star. That's terrible. So anyway, yeah, Lionus and Shoppers

1714
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: are going to be there in San Francisco or no,

1715
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna final. We've become friends now and basically I'm

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01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: draft I'm I'm I'm draft back drafting them. You don't

1717
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 1: want to You don't want to back draft a dog

1718
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 1: too closely, but especially tales. Yeah, exactly, you can't get

1719
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 1: pretty close. And then uh, and then we're I'll be

1720
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: in Minnesota and Chicago, and then in November we're gonna

1721
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 1: hit a bunch of other cities. Um, Jesse Thorn and

1722
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: I as a Judge John Hodgman tour, You're coming here

1723
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, coming here to Atlanta, the Variety looking forward

1724
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: to that. It'll be a lot of fun. Um Washington,

1725
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: d C, Toronto, Portland, Maine, and Durham, North Carolina. So

1726
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 1: and all of those those will be Judge John Hodgman shows,

1727
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: but Medallion Status will be available for purchase. And whether

1728
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: it's a Judge Sean Hodgen show or a Medallion Status event,

1729
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I'll be hanging around signing everything, hanging out or whatever.

1730
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,600
Speaker 1: And you're big at that I will say you know,

1731
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,759
Speaker 1: I will say this again, dot Lee slash medallion status.

1732
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,719
Speaker 1: Sorry in this in this crowded culture, you gotta hashtag

1733
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 1: always be plugging. That link is the preorder link um,

1734
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 1: and I ask people to consider buying it that way

1735
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 1: because getting a Russian preorders right at the top is

1736
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: really really helpful to the launch of the But I

1737
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: don't want to punish people who have pre ordered and

1738
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: then come to the book and then come to the

1739
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: book tour, because some of these events, not all of them,

1740
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:29,560
Speaker 1: you have to buy a book to get in. So

1741
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 1: what if you've already bought one, right, and then you

1742
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 1: got to buy another one to come in and see me?

1743
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna blow me off or feel like a jerk.

1744
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 1: Is there like a coupon they can print out? We're

1745
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: get him a little treat, aren't you? I give him

1746
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 1: a little treat. Everyone who comes and gets a book

1747
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: on the book Tour or the Judge Sean Hodgment tour

1748
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 1: gets an Aaron Draplin designed enamel lapel pin that has

1749
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 1: a picture of a Corgy on it and it says

1750
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: famous Coregy. Hang on a second, pretty nice, right? What

1751
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: if you pre ordered the book as a hardcover, I

1752
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: an e book as an audiobook, and then you get

1753
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: a copy of the book at the event you get us,

1754
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 1: you get an upgrade, you get a new pen. Does

1755
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 1: it have a twenty dollar bill that it's stuck into.

1756
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: But this is only for people who buy two copies

1757
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 1: of the book and can show me the in the

1758
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 1: signing line that they've got two copies of the book

1759
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: in any format for whatever reason. Double corgy, double corgy,

1760
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 1: because I've got all about medallion status. This is all

1761
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 1: about upgrades systems, loyalty systems. I've got two of all

1762
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: your books because I always buy one and then you

1763
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: always give me one. Well, certain there are there are

1764
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: even even higher levels of status that you can achieve,

1765
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 1: and and you both have earned for your for your very,

1766
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 1: for your long term kindness to me and excellence to everyone.

1767
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 1: You both get a triple corgy elape badge. Man, and

1768
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 1: there is there are triple corky elape badges. And when

1769
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 1: I was suggesting this scheme to the publisher, I had

1770
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 1: a fair I had this criteria for our criterion for

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01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 1: triple corgy Elite that I have now forgotten. So I

1772
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: think it's just gonna be a little bit, a little

1773
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: bit discretions. I think that's good though. You should be

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01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 1: able to be discretionary. And the Triple Corgy Elite badges

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01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 1: is and it's all. They're all beautiful enamel pins designed

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01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 1: by Aaron Drappling you. I can't wait to get mine.

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01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: And uh and uh I think I have I think

1778
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: I have one for you in my bag. Okay, great, well, John,

1779
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: thank you for coming. Thank you very much for being

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01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 1: your John Hodgeman dot com slash tour bit dot lea

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01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 1: slash medallion status. You want my newsletter, it's bit dot

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Speaker 1: lea slash hodgemail H d G M A I L.

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Speaker 1: It's a very fun newsletter. Yeah really, hey, thanks. Medallion

1784
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Speaker 1: status is all capital letters, all one word. When medallion

1785
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: says lea slash hodgemail, it's all small letters, all one word.

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01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: Because why be consistent. Also check out my new every

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Speaker 1: now and then mid day Instagram live show Get Your Pets,

1788
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,480
Speaker 1: where I interviewed dogs and cats on Instagram. That's fantastic.

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01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me, John, anytime, we

1790
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: can do this every week if you want. Okay, okay,

1791
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 1: I would love to you come down. We'll put you on.

1792
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: Why don't you come on the Judge John Hodgman podcast too.

1793
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:09,719
Speaker 1: I've been on before. I know, let's do it again

1794
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 1: across the streams. All right, I gotta do something to

1795
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 1: fight against these dough boys. Okay, you got it? All right? Well,

1796
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 1: if you want to get in touch with this, you

1797
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 1: can get touch with Hodgeman. What's your website? One more time?

1798
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 1: That's the home of John Hodgman, John Hodgman dot com,

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01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: at Hodgeman on Twitter, at John Hodgman on Instagram, their

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Speaker 1: Facebook group pages for Judge John Hodgman and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: We don't care about us, and yeah but dot lee

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Speaker 1: slash medallion status okay, And then for us, you can

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